Circling The Drain

Sheila Shipley Biddy went from small‑town radio and seven failed interviews to running one of Nashville’s most powerful record labels. In this episode, the first woman to head a major label on Music Row sits down with us to talk about discovering artists, fighting industry sexism, and the stories behind some of country music’s biggest careers.

Sheila shares intimate memories of working with legends like Glen Campbell, Waylon Jennings, Alabama, Roger Miller, Don Williams, Patty Loveless, Gary Allan, and LeAnn Womack. She opens up about fighting for “difficult” artists, taking career gambles, launching Decca Records, and what really changed when Napster, streaming, and 360 deals hit the business.

In the most personal part of the conversation, Sheila reflects on her faith, her work with Music Health Alliance, and surviving the devastating loss of her husband and son within months of each other.

If you care about country music history, radio, or how the record business really works behind the scenes, this is a masterclass in both the business and the humanity of Music Row.

02:21 – Moving to Nashville, small‑town radio roots, and seven Monument Records interviews
05:40 – Turning down TV news and working for less than $100 a month
07:21 – Early days at Monument: Roy Orbison, Larry Gatlin, Ray Stevens, Kris Kristofferson
08:06 – Waylon Jennings, intimidation, and becoming the only rep he’d work with
09:49 – Reading Waylon’s energy and protecting him in public
09:58 – Jumping to RCA and “failing downward” to bet on herself
12:20 – Telling radio the truth about a bad record and earning lifelong trust
14:23 – When that honesty paid off years later at Decca
15:10 – Sexism on Music Row and being mistaken for “the secretary”
17:55 – Mentors, office politics, and being the only woman in the room
20:02 – How Sheila helped bring Alabama to RCA (and why they were first passed on)
22:02 – The phone call that changed Alabama’s life forever
23:47 – Inside Alabama’s rise and balancing Southern imagery and the Confederate flag
26:12 – 50 years in music and how the industry has changed
27:23 – Taking artist failures personally and why she “couldn’t leave it at the office”
28:13 – Fighting three times for Waylon’s “Rose In Paradise” to go No. 1
29:22 – Steve Earle, Lyle Lovett, Nanci Griffith and the risk of “left‑of‑center” country
33:25 – Roger Miller’s “Big River” and selling Broadway to Country radio
36:47 – Working with Glen Campbell and hearing him sing Amazing Grace on an airplane
39:59 – Remembering promotion brothers, early MCA days, and lost friends
41:27 – Becoming the first woman to run a major label in Nashville (Decca)
42:27 – Building Decca from scratch: logo, staff, budget, and vision
45:38 – Dawn Sears, incredible talent, and when an artist doesn’t want it badly enough
48:10 – Discovering Gary Allan in California and why she refused to change his image
49:50 – The album cover where you can’t see Gary Allan’s face (and why that mattered)
49:50 – LeAnn Womack’s showcase strategy and choosing MCA/Decca over “everyone”
51:46 – Why “Never Again, Again” had to be the first single
53:58 – When radio programmers and Alan Jackson fell in love with LeAnn’s album
54:44 – Old‑school radio: when DJs really chose the music and broke artists
55:51 – How small‑market radio and relationships built careers
58:15 – Chasing trends vs. creating trends in country music
59:27 – Roster strategy: male/female, tempo, traditional vs. modern
1:02:09 – From singles deals to full albums and the cost of breaking an artist
1:05:14 – SoundScan, Napster, and watching country sales spike – then slide
1:06:20 – 360 deals, touring, and why tickets are so expensive
1:08:39 – Live Nation, fees, and the squeeze on mid‑level touring acts
1:09:24 – AI, fully AI movies, and the fear inside the creative community
1:09:59 – Life after labels: Music Health Alliance and helping artists get healthcare
1:11:14 – Losing her husband after a long illness and the strength of faith
1:11:44 – Her son’s sudden death at 52 and holding him as he passed
1:13:25 – The Reba McEntire birthday lunch her son never forgot
1:15:01 – Being more than “the label”: real friendships with artists
1:15:24 – Legacy, loss, and why these stories need to be told before they “circle the drain”


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Circling The Drain is produced by It's Your Show dot Co
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What is Circling The Drain ?

Circling The Drain is a show about the current state of the music and radio businesses as well as culture in general!

Hosted by John E. Bozeman and Jay Harper along with Jim McCarthy as Co-Host/Executive Producer.

John has had a storied career in music and talk radio, most notably as the Executive Producer for the late and legendary Phil Valentine.

Jay also has has a long career in radio as Announcer, Play-by-Play, Voice and On-Camera Actor. He was also an Artist Rep for MCA records.

Jim McCarthy ALSO has had a tremendous career in radio since 1996 and has since brought his consulting/producing skillset to the podcast world.

Circling the Drain is produced by ItsYourShow.co