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I get that. But I also feel that there is genuinely a staggering amount of people suffering with their mental health. And because they come out to say it does not mean they're like glamorizing it. The first time I actually had a panic attack, I did not know it was a panic attack. I was so scared. Like I'm like what? What? I was I was in a frenzy. I was hyperventilating. When I Yeah. When I calmed down cuz I was, you know, trying to catch my breath. I'm like, "What? What is going on?" What did you do before this? Because I kind of feel like I'm going to keep that. Yeah. I don't think that most of you guys that go around saying that you have main character energy actually have main character energy. Whether you like it or not, I feel like whatever you believe in yourself is what you're going to say first. And I don't think you should be looking to other people to tell you, "Oh, yo, you're the main character." Me, too. I'm a main character. I hope you know that. And I don't even need to tell you. But the truth is I don't need to tell you. Once I walk into a room, you know that I'm the [ __ ] Yeah, but we want to tell you. Why do we ask you? Do we ask? Nobody even still sits down to think about millennials. Really? How do they feel? What's going on? How are they managing? I know that they have mental health issues too. And they started this rally. They started this movement. We really did the main ground work. I feel millennials don't actually talk a lot. Yes, there's quite a big stigma. I will tell you why. Because hey guys, it's yet another brilliant episode of Just My POV with your favorite baby girl, my humble self, Pearl Cardi. As with every episode, this is all about it's kind of like the battle of the generations, but not quite because we listen to each other and we don't judge. So, it's really just our POV that is from the millennial point of view and from the Gen Z point of view. As with the last couple episodes, we've been having new Gen Z's and new people to just feature. So, by the way, in case you have a favorite Gen Z that you'd like to be featured on this show, make sure that you just comment right down below. All right. Also, in case you missed out last week, we were talking about is love really real on social media. And if you haven't watched it, make sure that you go back and you go check it out. Without further ado, how about I introduce to you the Jenzie we've got with us today. Hi. Hi guys. My name is Chama Edak. Oh, nice. You already look so familiar. Like, by the way, guys, I know her from Visa on Arrival. So in case you are trying to be thinking where do you know her that's where you know her from and some other places handsome. Yeah she's a phenomenal actress I chak oh nice keep it simple. Yeah keep it de keep it respectful. Lovely. So what else do you do? Do you just act though? I'm an actor. I'm a model. I'm a fitness enthusiast. Oh you look like it. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's get into the topic for today. Do you have any questions for me? Because I always ask Jenz's the questions. Yes, I truly I came prepared. Okay. Okay. Let's go. Let's go. So, I actually wanted to ask you, why is it that millennials tend to cringe up when Gen Z's say they have main character energy? Oh, that. Okay. Okay. So, first of all, I know I'm a millennial, but I don't cringe when you guys say you have main character energy. I don't cringe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I know. But I don't cringe because I can relate to the idea of it. However, I don't think that most of you guys that go around saying that you have main character energy actually have main character energy. So, in my opinion, it's kind of like you're just saying what people are saying on social media, but you guys don't really have it. Um, that's the truth. My honest opinion. You know what? You know what? I I I think I can understand your point of view, but I feel I feel when Jenz say, "Okay, we have main character energy." I just think, you know, it's them choosing to show up at a 100% whatever it is that they're doing, but then they're 50 or less. No, I don't actually think so. I think so. 50. They come off bringing like 50. The thing is, so the thing is I feel like this idea of main character energy with Jenz's are more about um having the right caption on their social media and just the the flow of the energy that you get from social media when you say that that's who you are. And while I understand that you can say that you are something and believe in it and walk towards it, let me be the one to tell you that you are. Why? because you would at least show me that you are really that and then you don't need to tell me that you are because I will already know and I will feel it that that's what so what would be the things that you know they would do to show you main character energy you not you straight up don't try to buy me I'm not trying to buy you I'm not trying to buy you I'm just trying to say okay look at the way that your presence you're very present you're not hiding hing behind your makeup or your hair or the idea of you. You're just you. You're speaking like I don't even need 10 minutes with you. You know that you have a big personality. That's what I mean when I say I will know. Okay. Like I feel like most times because you know on social media now you have all these manifestations all these words of well I agree because me too before I reach this stage I've learned a couple things and I know that there's power in the tongue and then there's energy and whatnot but I feel like you guys misuse it like you can be confident and not need to come around to tell me look I made her okay okay So what I'm getting is you feel like we do too much talking and not enough walking. Yeah, that's the point. And and that [ __ ] for us is like for most of millennials, everything that we are, we've had to double express or double impress or double just do the most to let people actually agree or accept or not accept or whatever they choose to do. But we've had to do the most to get to wherever we are. And while we've also done that so that it's easier for you guys because we've done the hard work, you guys just come and just say it and expect that also we to just be Yeah. No, bro. You would at least show me that. Yeah. No. So, so I I you know what I actually see where where you're coming from and it makes sense. But like I feel there's also been, you know, a time I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. Like no, there's no shade. There's actually no shade cuz what I'm really talking about is their ability to just say, "Yeah, I'm the main character energy and not really care whether they actually are." Oh, okay. I don't I don't want to say whether they actually are or not. Cuz whether you like it or not, I feel like whatever you believe in yourself is what you're going to say first. And I don't think you should be looking to other people to tell you, "Oh, yo, you're the main character." You know, cuz I feel especially in this society, a lot of people will look over you. So, I think maybe that's where a lot of I'm the main character. Everybody is the is the main character you know cuz I feel you know everybody like I was going to also say we're in Africa and the way we've been trained to not you know usually talk as much not speak up and now we are seeing Jenz's coming to say oh I'm this I'm that I can do this I'm that I'm that you know I'm I'm the I'm I'm the ish and it's like what have you really done but it's like I don't need to do anything to know that yeah to know I'm great to know that. Yeah. G. Nobody told you you were less gray or like you were not anything. How do you know that? Nobody told me. You know what's funny? Do you know what the craziest thing about this idea is that millennials are never coming out to judge you guys or cast? Never. Calm down first. Essentially guys like come and say I'm the main character energy. Then they now give you something to do and then we now see how mediocre that behavior is or that [ __ ] is. No, I I I've actually not heard of any Gen Z like you know. Well, let me not let me not say any Gen Z, but like especially people who Well, I'm speaking for my own experience. Yeah. Myself, you know, I don't know people around me that like, oh, I'm the main this, I'm that, I'm that, and they're not delivering, but you know that there are people like that. You know, I think that they're the majority. I think I think that just cuts across every like I think that's a problem everywhere. And I don't mean with the Gen Z generation. If it wasn't a Gen Z situation, you wouldn't bring up that question for a millennial and say, "Why do you guys cringe?" Yeah. Because No, it's actually a good question. Like, what's why y'all triggered? In fact, I should say, "Why y'all triggered?" So, like that's why in the when I was about to answer it, I was like, "First of I don't cringe because I understand it. I get it. Me too. I'm a main character. I hope you know that. And I don't even need to tell." But the truth is I don't need to tell you. Once I walk into a room, you know that I'm the [ __ ] Yeah, but we want to tell you. Why do we ask you? But but we want to tell you. Do we ask you? Okay. But how how But we want to tell you if you if you are a main character or not, is it putting food on my table? What's concern me? I'm not thinking about you. I'm trying to make But what is what if it's putting what if saying that they the main character is putting food on their table? That's for them. They can be saying it among them. I didn't ask you. I'm just on my own going with my life. And it's so weird that I also find that a lot of Jenz's feel the need to it's like it's like generally they feel that we didn't do enough. So when they want to do something or describe themselves, they like to describe themselves as the superlative as the extra of it. And the funny thing is while there's no problem with that really it's you and your own opinion like I'm one of those millennials that don't really care or think about other people like that. While that is okay for you. Yeah. Don't get upset that I'm not regarding you buying into that. Yeah. I have my own time and my thoughts and what's happening in my own life. I'm not thinking about you. Yeah. So that thought of, oh, every time I see a millennial, I have to come and tell them that I'm like main character. Chill, bro. But but what makes you think we're spotting? We're spotting. We're looking out spotting millennials. This question I want to tell them. This question you just asked is a big evidence that that's for real. This question and the fact that you're saying, "Oh, we really, really, really cringe." We really don't. We're just uninterested. Are you sure? We just Are you Are you sure? cuz I know that at some point there was a whole wave of everyone talking about Gen Z's and how they're standing up for themselves in the workplace. So the thing is it's very good and we like it. We millennials love it. That's the reason. Oh, so that's not the main character. That's not a main character. No is what everybody should do. That's what everybody should do. But like I don't think a lot of people were doing that's why I personal opinion but not like I it's like so the thing is I don't think I don't think you guys realize how millennials are. Millennials have an individual mindset. Each person is individual in their thoughts. They are not a general mindset which is oh I'm all we're all main character. We're all this. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me learn before you even jump into my mouth. Okay. Yeah. Good. Okay. So, the thing about millennials, millennials have a very individual. So, you can have that's why if you check music before now had different flavors, different styles, different but now you have the same type of sound for music. M. So it's kind of especially for me when I look at Jenz's they have like a general like a group thought a group mindset. Then when I see the ones that have like an individual I'm like oh I'll pick this one out and pick this one out and pick this one out. And I appreciate that. But then for millennials we generally are just unique in our own spaces. So we're not coming out thinking about what jenzies are thinking. We're still trying to make sense of our own life that's happening because we too we're still in a process. I hope that we're still in the process and all the things that we've done is so that you guys can have it better. We had a that's a tough lifestyle when we cannot speak. I was going to touch on that. Yeah. where we can't come you can't like a babe now she can't come out and be and be saying oh I have main character energy as a millennial what the [ __ ] like you and who they don't even they just brush you aside like what this one even this one is irrelevant and even though you are you will still just know in yourself that you are and have to prove yourself before you announcing it's the same way when we did like NSA the um rally it was really millennials and we did it for the Jenz's but unfortunately Jenz's are unable to appreciate the work that we've done rather they want to tell us you guys think doing you guys were karma you guys were too but we we I don't no I don't think I don't think well I've not I've not heard that discourse I've not heard that discourse but I want to play you know a little devil's advocate and as I would love it I would love it yeah so do you feel like the millennials feel like you know I don't I don't want to say let me say sibling jealousy. Let me put it as let me put it like sibling jealousy that they feel they've worked harder and we have it easy if I should call it that. No, you don't feel that way. That's actually how it feels. You guys are the ones that are feeling the need to come and be saying, "Oh, you guys are not." You know the truth. You know the truth. Millennials have done what they what they wanted to do in terms of oh they youthful exor done all that and now they are in another phase in another journey of moving forward what you guys are doing doesn't okay so wait is telling us to rewind and come back to what why when precisely so so why why I'm still going to ask like if if that's if you guys are like okay we're in a different phase this doesn't like Y'all are kids. Why? Shouldn't Yeah. Shouldn't you just ignore us? And that's what we're doing. But no, no, but you remember you said we want to tell you and I said it's none of we don't care whether you tell us or not. We're just like, "Yeah, no. I I'm standing on the ground. You're oppressed." How? You guys are pressed. Please give me an example. Are you trying to say you've not seen tweets or stuff discourses online saying that Jenz's are um they don't come early to work, they do this, they do that to work. Yes, I'm very you're an I'm very well but you know that if you speak about this amongst like your colleagues when they tell you guys in terms of like structure there was one episode where I was talking with Kelvin and we were talking about um 9 to5 and then you know other jobs and then he was like oh that he just wants to take his money and he just wants to eat his money and I'm like yeah yeah I agree we too they hungry us to do so but there are a lot of things that you learn on the job so now when you're like in an office space. I can't even deny the fact that in my office and my office like I can see the attitude that Jenz's put into work, I saw some too that really are attentive and just do the job. A lot of jenzies, a lot of you guys don't keep the time. A lot of you guys don't understand what hierarchy is. A lot of you guys are driven by your emotions over the task at hand, which is doing getting the job done. You want to wake up and be like today I'm not feeling that. I know all of us are not feeling but we're here present to do the job so that we can end up taking our money at the end of the month but you guys want the entire business to chill and say he's not feeling and so all of us should um no no that's what we complain about to be honest. We don't complain about how you carry yourself which is main character or not main character. It's none of our business. But I feel I feel you're contradicting yourself cuz you know you were like you just spoke about like you know how millennials went out to fight for I would say the rights of people and Yeah. And just to use that to segue into something else like talking about the job work the work space and the environment around it you I feel like you guys have complained about work life balance especially in Lagos. There is poor work life balance. is tough now. Precisely. Precisely. It's tough everywhere. But like, so are you trying to say you don't want things to get better? Cuz I know millennials have fought for better um workspace environments. So it's like we do. But the point is Do you feel like we are taking it too far? No, no, no, no. We want you guys to do it. Are you sure? Yeah. Does it sound like that? No, no, no. It's just that if you're going to do it, then you're going to make sure that you've taken care of your own part of I feel like some I feel like what Jenz see as boundaries, you guys see as um laziness or excuses to not do stuff. Boundaries like in a workplace. Let me say like you live here, you leave your work space and they're calling you. Oh, um, deliver this thing for me or like, bro, I'm No, if you're if you're if you clocked out like if you've already closed, you've closed. That's not an issue. A girl. Yeah, I'm serious. I'm serious. I'm serious because I still do it like and I'm a millennial and nobody even holds me. They Oh, oh, have you gone? Okay, maybe tomorrow. Like it's just basic even the one. Okay. So you're saying people that like you were saying oh I'm not feeling too good. So they they should go to work even when they're not good. If you stay at home anything that you see you collect it. You cannot say that oh that they now they are treating me they are doing me all of us that are in this place we are not feeling we all feeling. What about our mental health? You see that's what I'm saying. You guys add your emotions. No it's not emotions. I don't think it's emotions. Okay. See, like for instance, I was How do you guys say if you have not you guys not you're a Jenzi now and you're holding it down for How do you guys say all these every time anywhere I go? I find that one Jenz is actually saying, "Oh, I have anxiety." God forbid not me or God will be diites and they're just saying different thing. Oh, this one is bipolar. Oh, can you call this other What's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? Focus on your problem. Yeah, I don't think Jenz's just be like I like bipolar or I think he looks good today. But you know, I feel I feel like I feel like that's how Jenz think. I'm like this [ __ ] this [ __ ] should be stupid. But yeah, candid and honest moment. The first time I actually had a panic attack, I did not know it was a panic attack. I was so scared. Like I'm like what? What? Oh, so what happened? I what happened? I actually don't remember. Okay. But how did you feel? I just remember the moment cuz I actually don't remember like I feel you blacked out. Yeah. I feel like I always Yeah, that's a shocked. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Um but I was I was in a frenzy. I was hyperventilating when I Yeah. When I calmed down cuz I was, you know, trying to catch my breath. I'm like what what is going What did you do before then? because I kind of feel like I'm going to keep that in the So now it's not it's not I'm not going to say I you know went into something. No, you were just in a situation where Okay. So so so clearly you had a work environment actually. Oh [ __ ] Yeah. So I don't know why I almost want to say were there guys there. Oh no no no no. Okay. I mean they were human beings. So yes there were men and women. Okay. Yeah. So, but it was Yeah, that's what I'm saying. How did you get into that though? I just kind of want to know. So, I know there was some form of a commotion and I literally had to get, you know, be in a private space and to get yourself together. Yeah, it was building up. So, I just had to leave find cuz then it was when I was in on my own like everything just happened and I had to call family and Yeah. Yeah. Usually, usually family always there for that. Leave everything else. Okay. So, about that, this is real. So, I can agree like I know that this is a real situation. So, and I'm really sorry that you had to go through that because I mean different people with their situations and people don't really empathize with them when it happens. So, that's why I'm just But in any case, this is a real conversation. This is like it's not like somebody just comes and normally will go out socially but still claim to have I mean you can you can don't get me wrong but still claim to have like social anxiety in even smaller spaces. That's kind of crazy but I know that it can happen because sometimes Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes I can I can relate to that but I wouldn't call it social anxiety. What would you call it? Maybe that day. Just not I'm just not I don't I don't really call it such a big problem like I don't really define it as that or maybe I wasn't prepared for that gathering or for that group maybe or maybe I felt like I wasn't looking the part. So because of that I was now too paranoid or worried about I I tend to be very in touch with myself like what's happening. I don't create a bubble which I find a lot of jenses do and it's safe to be honest that is very very safe in this world that we live in. You kind of need to create something to shield yourself. However, going through life with that thought and being unable to come out sometimes and go back in is a problem. It is. It is. That's my only point about, you know, Gen Z's when they claim to have like any of these different mental health situations. Like everybody has, you know, I always say everybody's dealing with something. either a childhood trauma, either an adult trauma, either like your panic attack, like somebody is just dealing with something. So, everybody really has something, but it's not for you to go around like it's a great thing, like it's an achievement to have a mental health issue. It's not. I don't think, you know, it's like Oh, yeah. Hi, I have anxiety and I'm the best. I think I've seen some. I I won't even lie. I think I've seen some. Maybe. Maybe. Yeah. people. Exactly. Maybe I just go to like some crazy places and I'm like, uh, this is weird. You know that, right? I don't know. Maybe it's maybe. What do you mean? I'm telling you, it's so out of pocket. Yeah, it's out of pocket to you, right? But this is facts and that's why it's funny to me. That's why most of the time while I listen to Jenz's a lot and I talk to them and I'm close to them and we're cool, half the time I'm laughing my ass off because they're kind of saying something I'm like you know this is crazy right in my mind or sometimes I say it out sometimes I'm just like okay but when you feel like you don't feel like there's a reason why if I should say a lot of people are coming out to say oh I feel like I have um I struggle with anxiety or BP bipolar disorder um or whatever it is. I know that there's a reason and I'm sure that it has a lot to do with the world. It has a lot to do with how old the world has become. People dealing with people and technology, social media, I think that social media first of all is the main reason people decided to give names to things that are you know that they probably wouldn't give that name. They just because of the awareness of it. So it's like someone who is shy is the person is shy but a would not want to refer to themselves as shy. They'll say they have the same social anxiety but they actually are shy depending some of them are shy some of them really have the social anxiety. You get what I mean but they would rather call it that than calling it something else. So that's where I'm like, you know what? How about you go to a doctor actually and you now let the doctor tell you this is your sickness before you be coming out to be telling me. I said, yeah, don't don't be telling me. I didn't even ask you half the time. You just there telling me say that there is a lot of diagnosis out too many cuz like if you've not been diagnosed by a professional, you can't be saying that you are. Yeah. Give like why would you even want to give yourself that? Especially if it's not something that occurs a lot. Yeah. I think that like, you know, you're just you're just being Yeah. And honestly, now you get what I mean. No. And I get that. But I also feel that there is genuinely a staggering amount of people suffering with their mental health to say it glamorizing it. No. Or those are not the people. Those are not the people I'm referring to. like you explained your a situation and you could see that genuinely I could relate to that. I've had my own experiences too and I know that maybe they happened like once one time I was like just so I was losing my mind and my whole chest was doing like I know but you see how they describe my own chest they do I did not say I had cardiac arrest I didn't say that I didn't say that no no way I haven't gone to a doctor so I cannot say that that is what happened to me so now you can now go back to making sure that you at least have okay this is your diagnosis and this is yeah and then I'm like okay but why are you telling me though in in this place in this social gathering of what importance weird you know you know so you know that you can act weird but you come to so you come to a public place to act weird every human being is weird yes but you would know like like for instance now if I feel like when I come to this place I'm uncomfortable. Instead of me to act out there, I'll get my ass out of there and go home. Simple as that. I don't have to put people under the pressure of dealing with my And it looks weird to you. I don't know. That's me thinking that they weird. That's just me thinking they weird. Yeah. I don't have to. So, the thing is I don't know. I don't know how to explain it. So I get what you're saying. If you feel uncomfortable in like just leave. Yeah. Or go to somewhere and don't let it Yeah. You don't have to be here and be telling people carry it somewhere. Is it that all of us are here? We're perfect. We're not. So, I think that you guys do. We do. I think that I think I think that you guys do, but it's also if it was real, it would have been nice. This is me joking. I'm joking. Don't worry, don't mind me. I'm just saying though, like if it was real, then okay, I can say that, oh, you're showing too much. But if you're trying to paint a picture or give me a story so that this is how I will be looking at you or dealing with you, that's just too stressful. Let me decipher, you know, what's happening or who you are or whatever. Be you and let me just figure it out. You don't need to give me a lecture on what chill. I'm not trying to do anything about you. I'm just trying to go about my business. Yeah. So that's what fair I I will say that there have been people that um I don't even know why you would want to associate you know that with yeah with like um there are people that actually like it's not a cool thing to it's not cool they are going through real problems real trauma yeah whatever the situations may be to want to identify with any of that when you actually don't suffer from is weird now that's weird Yeah, that's what I that's how I see most, not all. Not all because I know that there are definitely some even millennials that are going through. In fact, now that we're on the topic about mental health, I was to say I feel millennials don't actually talk a lot. Yes, there's quite a big stigma. Yes. Why? I will tell you why. Because most of the time when we were growing up, we were always brushed aside and we were never even when you tried to speak, you were always shut down. Like you're not saying anything. It's not making any sense. So even when you're talking about your mental health situation, nobody is taking you seriously. Yeah. They're like, I go sleep. Go chop. You don't chop. You know, go chop. It's like it's so crazy. So we grew up having to deal with our issues. That's why, like I said at the beginning of this podcast, that we're very individualized. So, we've spent a lot of times by ourselves that we've now built refuge, uh, hope, love all within ourselves. We don't look for it outside because we don't expect that we're going to get it even if we asked. And it's a very bad thing. And it's a trauma response, by the way. But then you just have to kind of live. you're not going to hold on to your traumas or like your issues going forward otherwise you wouldn't go forward. So that's back to the fact that I say millennials are not thinking about genes who are just trying to deal with our lives and what we've been through. So when you guys are trying to enforce I'm but you know that's not my problem. Do you know what I'm hearing? What I'm hearing I'm hearing we have our issues and Jenzi is too loud. That's what I'm hearing. No, Jensen's have their issues as well. Definitely. But I feel like you're saying cuz let me let's be like 100%. Yeah. I want you to be that's why we're here and like let's call things out. Do you get but like with love? Okay. Like hold on cuz I was going to ask do you feel like you know the fact that cuz I had already pointed it out you know we grew up in Africa and I feel even the experiences that you said millennials have gone through I think Jenz's have gone through it too but then you guys have millennials who understand that's what I'm saying like I feel like we're still there a lot of the millennials don't really cuz it's it's giving it's giving kind of like that's I called it jealousy that these like the the Gen Z's are speaking out the way the millennials would have wanted to or let me this not the same way. Let me pose this question. If the millennials had started talking about mental health we did that's why you guys are here. I know I know I let me lie. I just got to let you know started and it was received well you know there was no stigma like oh yeah you know what h that makes sense do you feel like you guys would have been us by now no why because our our lives are were different so it's like okay take for instance even social media we didn't we had social media but it was like computer desktop and whatnot so it's different the Fact that you guys are able to reach like or connect so quickly is a good thing but then because you are not you haven't had the chance to go through actual life you half of your life is on social media so you are carried away by social media things more than reality so because you haven't really experienced that you are tying most of your reality to your social media which isn't real life. Yeah. Fair. Yeah. So, for us, we've had we were still going to have real life even if we were allowed to speak. We were put subjected into reality. We had to go through that [ __ ] You get me? Like, we had to feel that [ __ ] Even if you didn't want to, even if we had, oh, we can still go on Google and be on computers and go to like um what do they call those business centers back in the day and buy 30 minutes, 1 hour. I did that [ __ ] So I know I know that you can still connect but as you they as your time they finish as the team they log off you they try log off quickly so that your email will not still be open while another person enters. So by the time you are doing that you finish logging over you now turn just take light you are back to reality. So we can never have we would never have been like you guys. You guys have had us and then you've had social media to make it soft. But unfortunately instead of you guys to even still appreciate us for our presence, you people say that we are now jealous. Even if we're not even talking to you people about anything is you guys are struggling to say you you and we're just like uh so we we I feel like millennials are the generation who who is in the wave of everybody and is we're just trying to make it make sense. You guys feel like you're the middle man. I Yeah, we really literally are. Wow. Between baby boomers like our parents and the and we're all trying to get over our traumas and making sure that oh all the things that we pass through or the things that some of the things that our parents taught us, we are trying to unlearn them and relearn them. And then we now have these genzies that we've like tried to make things make it day for now because for us that [ __ ] is hard. Then you guys turn around. You guys, why are you come on bro? like we're all in this but unfortunately nobody even still sits down to think about millennials really how do they feel what's going on how are they managing I know that they have mental health issues too and they started this rally they started this movement we really did the main ground work and then you guys we made it easy for you guys instead of you guys to say are you guys thanks or hey kudos you guys are there shut up would you? So that's why those that's why those comments and those tweets look like that. It's not because we're we're not trying to we're still trying to move forward and try to make things better. That's why in the work space where you have a millennial and then you have a Gen Z and then the millennial is doing all the all the backgroundy hectic work and then the Jenz is like today bro shut up. That's how it feels. So generally millennials are just like but you know because we don't talk. Yeah. We're generally not the ones to speak about. We've done the work. Let's just leave it. So we just look at you guys. I'm like well I guess you had it easy. Then you guys say so because of that we had it easy. You guys are jealous. Oh lord. Chill. Mind you. See the way you're laughing. That's how funny it feels to us too when you guys are just talking. It's like what's wrong with you? I be You see it? Wow. Now you see it. That was that was it's a tough situation. No, no, no, no. And and I get you cuz that was why I I even posed it as like sibling jealousy cuz it's not No. So that's there's a reason why I use the word like siblings specifically cuz I don't even think it's um any there's any bad energy or Yeah. I don't think cuz I just feel like yeah siblings will have their little squabble and whatnot. I don't think that we're even very close in the word siblings. Yeah. So close call it like squables or whatever it is. But like jenzies also have their own trauma. Mhm. Like we know that. Okay. But can you like traumas? I know that everybody has what they're dealing with, but what kind of trauma is a general Gen Z trauma? Cuz I feel like I feel like whatever you guys feel like you faced cuz in a lot of households like we have millennials and Gen Z's in a lot of households right now. M the parents the millennials experienced and not the parents the GenZ experience. Wait the parents the mill. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Mhm. Like me and you we are sisters. Yeah. The parents you experience is not it's not the same people that raised me. Okay. So hang on a minute. Do you believe still wait but do you believe that? Okay. So like what you're saying is in one household there are millennials and they are genzies. Oh, but the experience of the same parents is different. Between the siblings are different. Yes. But it's still the same in some way. I I don't know. I actually don't know. I actually I I can't say that. I mean, I haven't even gone to read any studies on that, but like I know it's something that a lot of people have shared the same really Yeah. experiences. I'm trying to think about it and Okay. Well, my household is different. My household has like baby boomers. I'm the last born. So So okay. You don't feel like Yeah. No, I don't feel Yeah. I feel like it's the same. Yeah. So like with me and my siblings, we have the same upbringing, we have the same thoughts or like I mean the same direction when it comes to Okay. Do you also feel like the whatever restrictions or the strictness that was placed on them was the same level? Okay. No. Yeah. So I'm and I feel like it's not just with those type of you get and I feel even though um let me say we faced the same trauma yours may have been um harder or you may have seen mine as softer okay but it's yeah like less but like let me say your you were born this year and then I was born 10 years later you're probably in secondary school and alone in the house like almost feels like the same thing. Yes, absolutely. And that is why it's a little bit painful that you guys would turn around and say to us all the things like, "Oh, you guys are cringing. Oh, you guys are jealous. Oh, you guys." It's like, "Oh, now the same thing with the worry who are just trying to be more quiet about ours and you guys are just making more noise." Yeah. And it's okay. It's okay. But I didn't ask. You know what I'm saying? I don't think you guys you guys don't feel like it's okay. You guys it is. Are you sure? That's what I was like. That's why when you said that Yeah. They cringe and that's why I said I don't cringe. It's just that if you guys carried it as you said it, I would just say that's real. That's all. I don't cringe because me too. I want like everybody wants to be special. Like your mom already tells you you're special. You're special. Yeah. You're special. It's just that I always say it every time. You're only special to your mom and maybe your dad because they are the only ones that tell you outside. When you read hit the real streets, you are no special at all, homeboy. You as regular regular as every other person. Yeah. So regular. So personally, I think that maybe because like our parents always say, "Oh, you're so special. You're gifted. your which is great, nice, but then you guys will carry it on your head and use that instead of putting in the work to be special and great because your mother saw the greatness in you that you could walk on when she told you that. She didn't just tell you on the surface. So, you need to work on that. That's the greatness she's pointing out for you. But you guys want to take that word like this and wear it as ammo and leave the work and relax and like when I tell them and they look at me they know that I am. You're coming from the assumption that parents told their children the expression. Not an assumption. Generally parents do say that generally but no generally I kind of feel so you know like like now if I think in African households okay I get what you're trying to say like they don't really like yes they they'll hype you but like I don't know how to really explain. Maybe you guys are expecting too much. No when you say that they are not giving you enough praise. like the bare minimum. I feel like you guys failed the need to be giving flowers and do like when you wake up in the morning confetti pra and then drama. Okay, let me explain. It's like a chill you guys. As simple as like let me say showing up for your child for school. Yes, you have work. Yes, bills need to be paid. But if you can't show, please just see. Do you get Yeah. Instead of telling the child that you're coming and then do you know what will even be worse? Oh my let me not let me not somebody's I swear I wanted to issue. I wanted to say something too like I remember I had one relative of ours. I can't say what relative because they're going to catch me. But anyways, this person, this individual will always come to the house, always make promises, always tell you that they buying you this, they taking you this. We had those. I had I had that was one of those. There's no need to say it though. Like we didn't ask you. Nobody asked and nobody is like but you feel the need to say it to these kids and they are excited and they are planning and they are holding on to that dream of that day. Do you know how depressing that thing is? Like they dream up to the date. And do you know what that causes? Yeah. You figure out that nobody is really telling you the truth or there for you. And then you go through life. Yeah. And then you go through life without thinking of asking anybody for anything for any help. That's a terrible thing. And you don't think that's also how social anxiety. Yeah. And also it's like man there are a lot of things that that's why I always say like millennials are in the process of unlearning certain things and relearning and also managing what is going on in today which is new like social media like people like everything is so new but we're just like uh yeah yeah let's make this cool still. Then jenzies on the other hand, Jenz's are getting out of especially in Africa they are getting out of a lot of it's like I think that Jenz's feel like they were tried no that the older ones tried to bury them up and that's why they are shouting so much that no they must come out from this b like no I'm not going to be here and I know it and I can relate to it and millennials can totally relate to it does. We love it. That's why when even though you are seeing some other comments, you are also seeing the ones that like I like this energy. I like this. Yeah. Because Yeah. I get it that you guys, especially in Africa, we have this culture where children don't have any sense. They don't make any sense. They don't Yeah. But I see you guys trying to make sure that I'm not going to be shut up. I'm not going to be quiet. And but then you also get carried away with these other things of social media and you now assume that that is real life but it really isn't. That's where we now come in to try and say but as we say calm down they say no never beat them I was yeah and we're just like oh gosh tail man this whole I will never I swear you guys I will never give up never fight for my right what then you tear your clothes and like this is craziness this is not not normal anymore I swear that has never happened. I know it never happened. I know it never happened, but it's just like you get Yeah, I know. I know. It's just so tough, man. Okay, so I mean, we've been talking about this whole situation. I need to check out the second thing I wanted to ask you about because I know you you're the one asking me about Yeah. about main character energy. Um, okay. So, here's the thing, and I don't know why this question is here, but I'm just going to ask it. Okay, ask away. Two of your closest friends are fighting. You love them both. They both are being stubborn. One says it's six. The other says it's a nine. What do you do? Do you pick a side or do you just pick peace? What does peace sound? Thank you. With your two close friends. I want to say six. I want to say n. What are you going to do? Really? Can I? You say zero. O. You say O. Pick both. Q. I pick both. You pick both? Yeah, I'll pick both. But you don't have an option for both. Oh, I don't have an option. I have to pick one. Yeah. I think that your both is the piece though, right? I think that picking both is the piece. 7.5 like me. I'll throw them off. Q what? Yes. Or equals to Is it me that they want to go wrong mad? 7.58. Let's get in the middle. So the truth is honestly honestly honestly if I'm going to be real, I'm just going to choose the right answer. It doesn't matter who it is. Fair. Yeah. Honestly, like I know myself. The right answer is what I'm choosing. It doesn't regardless of the friend. Even if it's a neighbor that's not even my friend and then it's my friend that's saying the wrong answer that's her problem or his problem. I'm just going to choose the right one because I'm not the type of person to like I don't I don't like that thing where I'll be loyal blindly. I don't I have my own voice. I'm my own person and I'm your friend. Why would I lie to you? Exactly. Why should I lie to you? I'll just point it out. You come be like they [ __ ] up. Yeah. I'm like, but if you [ __ ] up, I'm like, well, this is the one. No vex, but that's it. I don't I don't really, you know, when people say that, oh, your friend's enemy is your enemy. You don't buy that? I don't really buy it. Although, I'm not going to be close to you because if I'm close to you, you're going to try to bring up my friend that I don't want to talk to with you. So, I'll just keep it cordial, but I'm not trying to be like Yeah. also nasty and I won't gossip with you. I won't No, no, no, no, no. I don't do that. That's fair. But for you, but for me, honestly, um I'll say like maybe it depends on what the actual situation is. If it's like something I can say like you should remove yourself. That's my first goto reaction. Guys, that's your business. Please, you all sort it out. I'm here eating popcorn. If you guys start fighting, I'll video it and we'll laugh at you. girl. But no, for real, I um I buy I buy your side too cuz I don't. So you're not going to be enemies with your friend's enemy. Me that whenever I open I'll open Google I'll I this is see you want to argue with me. See it there's research back up like that. I'll bring up I'll bring up all the evidence to show you that like this is what it is cuz like you said like we're friends especially if we're friends like why am I lying to you? Why would I tell you? Like, what's the point? That's not real friendship. What's the point? What if what you think is dangerous to you? Yeah. And I'll leave you to just go like that. That not I want my friend. Yeah. I even want my friend to tell me if I'm wrong. I don't want you to be fake with me. The truth. Even if it's hard, talk to me like Yeah. Oh, okay. Absolutely. Well, it's been so much fun hanging with you, Cha. Oh my goodness. Are you ready? I kind of think so. Oh my god, this is actually so fun. Yeah, I really feel like I was, you know, I mean, much more enlightened in terms of like Jenz's and the reasons they, you know, they react the way that they react. Although I know where they do, but I'm just But I also kind of feel like I also kind of feel like I had the opportunity to actually speak about a lot of things that we don't get to speak about because millennials don't speak about anything. They don't even tell their partners anything. They just they don't Yeah, I agree. to lock up. Well, we have to because we don't usually get help when even when you do. So, it's like it's a waste of time. Yeah, but like that. See now you guys you guys should you know learn to like get so we should come and be discussing with you guys then you guys are like oh my god no stop stop like no for real I can't even tell you not to even you know go off I can't tell you the number of I have a few millennial friends who are in sensitive situations and if like I didn't go to talk to them they wouldn't have it it's not nice because like I said it was very sensitive I think it's a trauma response I'm I'm still trying to deal with that. I'm still trying to be able to talk. I I don't to be honest. I don't even see why I should. I mean, for the sake of this podcast, that's why we're having this conversation. If we were just by oursel, I wouldn't say anything. What's it concerning me? I go to look for the Yeah. Which is good. Which is good. And I'm sure that's why you still have like your millennial friends because they will appreciate you more. Even us millennials because we don't want to make you uncomfortable or make your friends uncomfortable. Yeah. We don't want to start the conversation that we already know you don't want to talk about. So we're just like h so it's like it's like me and my friends I I might say something like so what happened yesterday and then you're like that one no time. And when the person say you say okay when you want to talk just like yeah whatever. I do know that I actually don't get I don't get the social cues. I keep asking you you see I don't get you see you're a jersey oh but now you're getting it that that's why they say oh I be I think you're just tired and you're like as millennials we don't want to talk about it we're not ready for that conversation at that time. So even me and my friends when I see that they're like don't go I'm just like okay cool I got you I give you your space. Yeah. So that's you see our lives are just different too. I love it. I love it. Yeah, this was great. This was actually so awesome. I've had a really lovely time with you. Very enlightening. So in case this is your first episode watching just my POV, just know that there is so much more to come. Last week we were speaking about real love on social media or not. So make sure that you go check that out. And then now for this week, we've really been talking about millennials and Jenz's. Why Jenz's think that we cringe when they say they have main character energy? Why? I don't though. And I know that a lot of my millennials don't feel the same way, but for some reason, Jenz's just think so. I hope I've been able to explain that and enlighten you guys. And Jenz's also have had their time to be able to tell us that they had these traumas. And truly, we can relate. We really, really can relate. It's just that we don't talk about it. Yeah. So guys, until next time. I'm P Cardi and I'm Shama Edak. And this was just my POV.