The podcast by NFL players for NFL players. Each week, we break down the biggest events in football and how they directly impact a player's career and money.
Join Former NFL Veterans Sam Acho (Bills, Bucs, Bears & Cardinals), Zach Miller (Seahawks & Raiders), Jeff Locke (Vikings, Colts, Lions, 49ers), and college coach, Riccardo Stewart, for a raw and unfiltered conversation about the game, the business, and how players can achieve generational wealth.
Jeff Locke "The Professor": It's
really easy to look at the big number.
$132 million contract.
And when you break down the
contract, devil's in the details.
$100 million says it's guaranteed.
Actually, only $80 million is
likely to be paid, guaranteed-wise,
when you look at the details.
After tax, that's about $45 million, tax
and agent fee, whatever you got going on.
So it's not $132 million.
It's $45 million in your pocket
from this contract you just signed.
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": I'm
gonna welcome you guys back to another
episode of the AWM NFL Podcast.
My name is Ricardo Stewart, and
I'm your host, and I'm joined with
my coworkers and my friends Zach
Miller, Jeff Locke, and Sam Acho.
Guys, we're gonna talk today about
getting paid, and what does it look
like once you get paid to get it
right, and what does it look like
when you get paid to get it wrong.
We've been looking at the headlines.
We've been watching on HBO
in terms of Hard Knocks.
Spoon just got paid.
Highest-paid corner in the NFL
as we speak right now, although
that could change, as we know.
But I wanna just talk about that, and not
necessarily Spoon, but, like, when you
get 100 million or more guaranteed, you
know, like, like, what, what is that like?
So before we jump in, I'm gonna start
with you, Zach, first because, one,
like Spoon, you played for the Seahawks.
Like Spoon, you won a Super Bowl.
Like Spoon, you became the highest-paid
player at your position at one point.
And so what is that like?
Like, what is the feeling?
Like, tell me what it's
like in the locker room
Zach Miller "The Truth": It's, first
of all, it's amazing, very rewarding.
I still remember when I was an Oakland
Raider back in 2010, Bruce Gradkowski, the
quarterback, and I would be next to each
other on the plane, and we'd be looking
at, uh, Richard Seymour's, like, contract,
and it was like 13 million a year.
And so we'd do the math, divide it by
17, and be like, "Dude, he's getting
almost a million dollars a paycheck."
And so we used to be like, "Dude, how
awesome would that be for your, like,
weekly paycheck to be a million bucks?"
And so for me to finally sign that deal,
have to play out my whole rookie contract,
and then, and then, you know, ink the
deal, sign the contract, be, you know,
have the opportunity to make that kind
of money, um, I mean, I was blessed.
Everyone in the locker room
have I mean, they all know how
much you make, uh, so theyâ¦
It's, uh, it's fun.
It's a, it's a cool experience and, uh,
you know, I'm just fortunate that if you
put in the work long enough in the NFL
and you're good enough and you're talented
and all those things, you do get rewarded
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": Like,
and so here's what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna kick around the table.
Um, you guys are three former NFL players.
You've seen it.
You've been in rock room- locker rooms.
You've experienced yourself.
And just, you know, just a conversation
of, okay, like what does it look like when
they get that much money and get it right?
And what are some things that
sometimes athletes get it wrong?
And so Sam, I'm gonna
start first with you.
are ways in which you see some
of the athletes get it wrong?
Sam Acho "The Mayor": Get it wrong.
Um, there's a, there's a, a former
teammate of mine who's still playing,
uh, phenomenal player, and one thing that
I've seen in not just him but a bunch
of teammates who have played for a long
time making a lot of money is, um, they
trust people when they don't need to.
Here's what I mean by that.
People are gonna tell you who they are.
It's up to you to believe them or not.
This, this teammate has, like, made
a lot of money, and he knows that
this guy that he's working with
isn't really the best and is kinda
overlooking some things and has made a
couple bad decisions, but he keeps on
giving him the benefit of the doubt.
And I could understand it early on,
but now, like when y- people say if you
knew better, you'd do better, now that
you know better, you realize, oh man,
I, I don't have to just, uh ⦠I'll
use the word, I don't have to sacrifice
the best in the world just to appease
someone else who I know isn't the best.
I could actually make a,
make an upgrade, right?
Make a change.
Just so when I went from high
school to college, right,
the facilities are different.
College to pro, I train different.
I'm investing in my body, uh,
because my body's my money maker.
Let me invest in the right team.
And so the way I've seen that people
get it wrong is they stick with
people who they know aren't fully
competent, but there's a level of
comfort because they know that person.
They've known them for a long time
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": Seems
like what you're saying too is
sometimes you gotta make the hard
decision to, and understand that no is
a complete sentence and move on, right?
same question for you.
Like, where, what other areas
outside of what Sam said do you
see players getting it wrong?
Jeff Locke "The Professor": It's
really easy to look at the big
number, $132 million contract, right?
And that's where you
anchor yourself towards.
When you break down the contract,
devil's in the details, right?
100 million says it's guaranteed.
Actually, only 80 million is likely
to be paid guaranteed-wise when
you look at the details online.
After tax, that's about 45
million, tax and agent fee,
whatever you got going on, right?
And so it's not 132, million it's
45 million in your pocket from
this contract you just signed.
So if you anchor your spending,
'cause you're gonna wanna go
spend, you earned it, right?
You played out your whole rookie deal,
you got this big signing bonus coming, But
if you let spend creep too fast based on
132, million not on the 45 million that's
for sure coming in, you can get in the
spot where the money will last for a while
when you're done playing, but you ain't
gonna achieve that hundred year family.
It ain't gonna be multi
generational So you gotta almost
slow yourself down early on.
Go and buy the things that you've
really wanted to buy, the house for
your family, the new car, those things
that have been on your bucket list,
but don't overextend too soon before
you really see the back end of that
contract and possibly another contract
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": Love that.
Zach, any other ways that you see?
I mean, I know you do, so tell us another
way that you see NFL players get it wrong
Zach Miller "The Truth": think one
of the main things they get wrong
is they don't get educated, and
they don't understand the business,
the business of the NFL, post-NFL.
They don't understand how the money works
once you're done playing, the drop-off
in income, the fact that you're not--
like, you can't s- if you're spending a
lot while you're playing, unless you're
like one in a thousand guys in the NFL,
like you can still outspend that money
like, like Jeff was talking about.
Like, you understand business,
you understand, you know, who's
actually on your team for real
and who's working for themselves.
You understand, you know, when
it's time to get a family office.
You understand all those things.
You understand your
agent's responsibilities.
You understand what it looks like,
uh, how a team even treats you,
how they think about you as a
player, how there's a dollar sign
attached to you and your position.
Once you understand those things, um, most
NFL guys don't 'cause we're just so young.
We don't haveâ¦
No one's there educating us.
No one's there helping us out.
Even the agents aren't doing it.
They're not communicating enough about
how the NFL works, how short it can
be, and that's, that part, if you
can just learn as you go in the NFL,
you have the right people helping you
learn, um, you're gonna be way better
off even just a few years in the NFL
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": That's good.
Zach,
Jeff Locke "The Professor": thing
I, only thing I'll add, only thing
I'll add there, Zach, is like
we work with a lot of agents.
I'd say most agents don't
educate their guys, but there are
some agents out there that do.
Like, there's some agents that
really teach their guys the
business of the NFL, right?
And really help you
prep for that life after
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach":
Yeah, no doubt.
I'm gonna stay with you.
Now let's flip it.
Obviously, there's a ton of ways
in which these guys get it right.
I mean, you're living proof of it.
So what are some of the ways that,
that you see athletes, particularly
our clients, get it right?
Zach Miller "The Truth": The, the
biggest thing they can get right is
Not, and this goes to the whole spending
thing, this is living a more simple life.
If you are too out there, and this
includes cars, boats, all of these
things, that money can go quick.
That can go, and you're
focused on the wrong things.
You're not focused on playing football.
You're distracted.
You're not being the
best player you can be.
You're not investing
in your human capital.
You're not improving your physical ability
to go play football, your football IQ.
You're not doing those things if you're
chasing the wrong things as a player.
And so the guys that get it
right, they're focused in.
They're ball guys.
They're focused on being the
best possible football player
they can be, they tend toâ¦
things tend to work out for those guys
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": Love it.
Love it.
Jeff, how about you?
What are other ways that you see
NFL players, and particularly
our clients, it right
Jeff Locke "The Professor": We call
it creating a giving plan, right?
Or a sharing plan, however you
wanna, whatever you wanna call it.
What happens is everyone
knows you signed this deal.
A lot of people that you wanna help or
people that you might not wanna help
that think deserve your help once you've
signed it, The people that end up giving
away too much, not saving enough for
themselves and their core family, are
the ones that don't have a plan before
the questions and the requests come in.
you gotta, like, really
sit down with your team.
The players that we work for do this
really well, is like, "Hey, here's
my giving plan for the next year,
next two years, next five years.
Here's who I wanna give to.
Here's how much makes sense
for me and my family."
So that when the requests come in, it's
not deviating from what you already said
you wanna do and what you can support.
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach":
Sam, take us home.
What are some ways you see
our clients getting it right?
Sam Acho "The Mayor": Biggest way I see
our clients getting it right is thinking
like a CEO, meaning knowing how your
business works, knowing who is on your
team, knowing how they get paid, knowing
how they are incentivized, knowing,
um, just knowing their business as
well as knowing your business as well.
That's one of the biggest
benefits I've seen.
There was a, a, a young man who we
got a chance to work for who had some
inklings that this guy who he had
hired wasn't really for him, and he
had the courage to say, "You know what?
This guy, knowing my business and
knowing his business, he's not for
me, but I found some people who are."
And that's a courageous decision.
That's thinking like a CEO.
That's saying, "Okay, I'm not,
I'm not gonna trust my career to
someone or a group of people who
aren't aligned with my priorities,"
as, as Jeff has said not sitting on
the same side of the table as me.
And so those are the biggest
things that I've seen.
Thinking, acting, speaking,
learning how to be a CEO
Riccardo Stewart "The Coach": Yeah.
I guess I would add as, as we close is,
um, something that maybe we haven't really
touched upon is, is the education part.
Is the guys that I see that are getting
it right, they don't just hire people
because they know more than them.
They do go and hire experts.
We would say that because we think
they hired us, and we're experts.
But also, they wanna
continue to be educated.
They don't wanna be left in the dark.
They know that right now their primary
focus is on their family and playing ball.
However, they're not just willy-nilly
saying, "You guys do everything."
They wanna be informed on the
investments we talk about.
They wanna be informed on why umbrella
insurance makes sense for them.
They wanna be informed on why the
estate tax is the way that it is.
They wanna be informed, and they wanna
be educated, and I feel like the ones
that do that, they become truly, Sam,
that, that athlete CEO because they
sit at the very top of their business,
and so they are getting it right, the
professionals on the field and off the
field, which is a beautiful thing to see.
So if you're an athlete, you're an
NFL player, and you're going, "Gosh,
I wanna make sure I lean on the latter
part of this po- of this episode," and
that is getting it right, and you want
resources or questions or so forth,
love to be able to provide that for you.
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