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#044: Why You Need a Listener Profile

#044: Why You Need a Listener Profile #044: Why You Need a Listener Profile

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This is why so many podcasters stop podcasting and are never able to monetize their podcast. They started the podcast trying to serve a topic and not a listener, and that never works. We are all selfish consumers, and when we aren’t getting what we’re looking for we’ll move on to find what is giving us what we’re looking for.

In this episode I’m going to walk you through not only why you need a solid, written out listener profile, but what it really looks like. What you need to know going into every episode and why it matters

Oh, and I have a treat for you once you get it all sorted out! I’ve made a tool for podcasters that uses your listener profile and information about your podcast (and a little magic from me) it’ll email you 5 ideas for brands you should reach out to partner with you or sponsor your podcast. Try it out for yourself here! 

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Morgan Franklin is a podcast producer, strategist and educator. Since 2020 Morgan has founded and produced multiple top ranking podcasts from the health industry to beauty. Featured everywhere from Good Morning America to Martha Stewart Living Morgan's passion and knowledge for branding and podcasting have helped countless business owners and brands grow their impact and bottom line podcasting. Morgan is the Founder of Podcasts for Profit and Morgan Franklin Media, in addition to host of Podcasts for Profit with Morgan Franklin.

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Morgan Franklin: One of the most
important lessons I've learned

in business and podcasting and
probably life, is if there is no

way to measure it, there is no
way to manage it. And on the

surface, this seems like a
grossly capitalistic cliche,

basically, if we can't measure
the growth of something, it

isn't worth doing, but I really
don't see it that way. The way I

see it is, if we can't quantify
what we're doing and try to find

ways to improve and grow and get
better, we're always gonna be

stuck in that endless loop of
questioning, and for me,

questioning is the most anxiety
inducing activity that will

completely suck the excitement
out of anything. So when I say

if there's no way to measure it,
there's no way to manage it,

what I really mean is, if
there's no way to measure it,

there's no way to stop the
endless questioning and fear of

wondering if we're succeeding or
doing enough, or any of those

other anxiety fueled questions
we ask ourselves over and over

as podcasters, hello and welcome
to podcast for profit. My name

is Morgan Franklin. I'm a
Podcast Producer, strategist and

educator. This podcast will help
you create and grow a podcast

that cuts through the noise of
social media and speaks directly

to your target audience. If
you're ready to create a podcast

that will align you with the
experts in your industry,

position yourself as a trusted
leader and create another source

of revenue for your business,
you're in the right place.

Measuring the success of a
podcast is gonna look different

for all of us, and that's
something that I learned really

quickly as a Podcast Producer.
Even success for a host and the

producer and the editor of a
same podcast, those three people

working on the same team could
look really different. So

imagine from podcast to podcast,
how different success is going

to look for all of us. Over the
past year, I put a lot of work

and time into trying to figure
out how to help podcasters

achieve their goals on a much
broader scale. And as I said, I

realized very early on this was
not going to be easy. We all

have such different goals and
plans and ideas and

expectations, but one thing
early on that we all have to

focus on is knowing our
listeners. Know who your

listener is. You have no idea
how often that I get on a

discovery call with a podcaster,
and the first thing that I

usually ask on a consultation
like this is, who listens to

your podcast? Just a very easy
question, right? But so often

that is just met with a blank
silence from both of us, where

we're both just looking at each
other and realizing neither of

us knows who is listening to
this podcast. In this episode,

I'm gonna walk you through not
only why you need a solid,

written out listener profile,
but what it really looks like,

what you need to know going into
every episode and why it

matters. Oh, and I have a little
treat for you, once you get it

all sorted out, I've made a tool
for podcasters that uses your

listener profile and information
about your podcast and a little

bit of magic for me, and it will
email you five ideas for brands

you should reach out to, to
partner or sponsor your podcast.

When I used it for myself, I was
so excited because it actually

recommended two brands I'm
currently working with to set up

partnerships with. So make sure
that you finish your listener

profile and then go check that
out. It will be linked in the

episode description. So why do
you need a listener profile?

Let's start there. If you've
listened to any of my previous

episodes, you know, I'm a
stickler for figuring out why we

are doing what we are doing. If
you don't know where you're

going, any road will get you
there. So what road are you on?

Why are you making a podcast?
Who are you making it for? Why

are they listening? This has so
many moving parts to it, and I

think we want to completely
gloss over all of them, because

it makes us question too much
about ourselves and too much

about this process. Like I said
earlier, living in a state of

questioning is hell it is. But
we don't have to feel that way

all the time. We don't have to
be constantly questioning. We

can know exactly who we're
talking to, why we're talking to

them, and what we want to talk
about. That gets me to my next

point. What is a listener
profile and why should you take

the time to figure out who your
ideal audience is a listener.

Profile is a detailed outline of
the intended audience of any

podcast. So basically, when
you're creating anything for

your podcast, you can consult
this profile to figure out,

Okay, do I think this would
serve the person I'm making all

of this for, or am I just making
something. That I want to make,

or that I think is a cool trend,
but is not actually going to

move me towards the outcomes
that I'm working towards. In my

opinion, this is why so many
podcasters stop podcasting and

are never able to make any money
with their podcast. They start

the podcast trying to serve a
topic, something they're

interested in and not a
listener. And that never works.

We are all selfish consumers,
and when we aren't getting what

we're looking for, what we
signed up for, we're gonna move

on and find someone else that is
giving us what we're looking

for. If you ever wanna make
money podcasting, you need to

have a listener profile. And it
doesn't have to be perfect, but

it does have to be as specific
as possible. If you want someone

to give you money seriously, if
you want someone to give you

money to talk about their
product on your podcast, you

better have a crystal clear view
of who is listening to your

podcast, why they're showing up
every week and how this product

is gonna speak to them. Because
imagine you're on the other side

of this. Imagine you are a
business owner, and some little

podcast comes to you, pitching
their show to you to advertise

on, and they say, Okay, we have
30,000 downloads every week. We

talk about all kinds of things.
It's kind of about everything

and anything that we want to
talk about. This is the standard

pitch that I get from
podcasters. Well, it's about

anything I want to talk about.
Okay, okay, I just know, as a

business owner, I'd be like,
This is a hard pass, because if

you can't tell me what this
podcast is about or who is

listening, why would I ever
think that this would be a wise

marketing decision for me? You
need to know exactly who is

listening and why they're
listening, and it can be a silly

reason. It doesn't have to be
like I said. This doesn't have

to be perfect, but it does have
to be specific. You need to know

who is listening. If you can't
measure it, you can't manage it,

and if you can't measure it, you
can't make money off of it. That

being said, let's go ahead and
start phase one of your listener

profile. If you already have a
podcast that is live, that has

episodes, go ahead and go onto
Apple podcasts or Spotify

podcasts, or wherever you have a
platform login, log in, make

your login information and look
at who is listening to your

podcast. Write down what is
their age, what is their gender.

Are they subscribed to your
podcast? Get every bit of

information that you can from
these websites. Go ahead and put

that aside. Now after that,
whether you have a podcast or

not, I want you to write down
what your ideal listeners, age,

gender, location, language,
education, level and income

range is. This is so important,
and it might feel strange. It

might feel very strange, but it
is so important for you to know

who you want to be listening to
this podcast, and if you already

have a podcast live, who is
already listening to it. So if

you already have a podcast
that's live, I want you to go

through and compare what you
wrote down. If you're making

content for women ages, let's
say 25 to 35 but you see that

men ages 18 to 25 are listening
to it. You need to dig into it

and see what's going on. Should
you keep making content like

this and kind of shift towards a
different demographic. Should

you rebrand yourself? Because if
your target audience is women,

let's say ages 25 to 35 like we
said earlier, you're trying to

get advertisers that would speak
to that demographic. You're

trying to create content that
would speak to that demographic,

but if it turns out that young
men or who is listening to it

that is not going to serve you
or your advertisers, so make

sure that not only do you know
who your ideal listener is, you

know who is actually listening
to the podcast. Phase two of the

listener profile, whether you
have an active podcast or not,

is going to be digging a little
bit deeper into your listeners

preferences and their
objectives. I want you to write

down these five questions, what
are my listeners interests and

hobbies? What is my listener
doing on a daily basis, and how

will these activities align with
my podcast content? I think that

this is something that we kind
of pass over because we're not

really thinking about the
knowledge that our listener is

coming from. So let's say, for
example, I do have that podcast

that's geared towards women aged
25 to 35 I'm going to be making

references to things and talking
about different pop culture and

relevant like, you know,
different things than I would be

talking about if I was talking
to even. A 65 plus woman, you

have to know what the interest
of your listeners are, so that

you can speak to them in more
ways than one, so that you can

speak to them at every level of
the content that they're

consuming. Number two is what
problems are my listeners trying

to solve that the my podcast
addresses. Now, this sounds very

professional, right? It sounds
like, Okay, I have to know the

problem, and I have to solve the
problem, but the problem can be

as personal as loneliness. Maybe
you are someone that that person

listens to while they're going
on a walk, that maybe they're in

a new city and they don't have a
friend to listen to. This can be

something that is very different
for everyone. And by you just

addressing, okay, what could
some of my listeners problems

be? Like I said, it doesn't have
to be. It doesn't have to be,

oh, they're looking for a new
job, or they're trying to figure

out how to improve their profit
and loss or something like that.

It sounds very professional, but
it doesn't professional, but it

doesn't have to be. Number
three, when and how do they

listen? This is so important,
and I very rarely hear podcast

producers talk about this.
People listen to podcasts on a

schedule. So is this person
listening to this podcast while

they're commuting or while
they're exercising. This

matters, because if someone is
listening to your podcast when

they're exercising, let's say
they exercise for an hour. Well,

if your podcast is only 20
minutes, then that doesn't

really fit into someone who
normally listens to your podcast

while they're exercising. So I
need you to think about, okay,

what is the person doing that is
listening to my podcast. Are

they on a short commute? Are
they on a long commute? Do they

listen to this when they're
doing the dishes? This is so

important because you know how
some podcasters make the three

hour long podcast? That's really
for when people just have it on

in the background and they're
kind of coming in and out and

watching it, versus a podcast
more like this, where it's

usually under 20 minutes, and it
might be a quick just commute

listen. You need to know when
your listener is listening to

your podcast. Number four, what
other podcasts does my listener

enjoy? This might be the most
important question of all, even

though it might not seem like
it, you need to know what other

podcasts that your listener is
listening to that way, not only

can you diversify, but you can
give them what they're looking

for. Most of the time, we aren't
looking for something new. We're

looking for something like the
things we already like. I mean,

think about when you're finding
a new podcast, are you looking

for something totally new that
you've never listened to before?

Probably not. You're looking for
something like the other

podcasts that you like. So you
need to find out, okay, what are

the other podcasts that someone
would be listening to, my

podcast be listening to, and
then number five, to follow up

on that, what sets my podcast
apart from other podcasts in

this category or topic? Because,
yes, while people want the same,

they also want different, right?
You wouldn't listen to two

podcasts are giving you the
exact same information. So know

what sets your podcast apart.
This is going to be very

valuable for you. It's going to
be valuable for your

advertisers. It's going to be
valuable for your listeners. So

know what sets you apart. By the
way, all of these questions will

be available in the blog post
that is associated with this

episode and that will be linked
in the episode description. So

don't worry about having to
write down every single one of

those. I will have them in the
blog post and that will be

linked in the episode
description. All of these

questions are going to help you
better understand beyond the

superficial, age, gender,
education, who is my listener?

Because data is just data. At
the end of the day, data is just

data. We need to put meaning
behind our research, and that is

where phase three, creating a
listener persona comes in. I

want you to create a listener
persona, name them, talk about

them. Maybe it's someone that
you know that listens to the

podcast already. Maybe it's an
influencer that you follow that

you think, wow, they would love
this podcast if they listen to

it. Maybe it's a fictional
character. Maybe it's somebody

that you just make up. Take the
time to name this person. Write

down what city they live in,
what their age is, what their

occupation is how much money
they make, what their education

level is, what they do on
Saturdays, what they do on

Sundays, what they believe in,
what they want out of life. You

cannot go too far with this,
because this is the person you

want listening to your podcast.
It is so meaningful and it is

going to be so powerful to you,
because now, every time you have

a question about, Oh, should I
host this guest, or should I

make an episode about this? Or
what should I do next? You're

going to look at your listener
profile and you're going to

think, would they listen to it?
Would they want it? What do they

want? What do they need? Now,
when you're thinking, who is

going to be the first sponsor
for my podcast, now you aren't

just thinking, well, we talk
about everything. I don't really

know who listens to the podcast.
You're approaching advertisers

and sponsors and you're saying,
This is who listens to my

podcast. This is why they
listen, and this is who they

are. Every podcaster needs a
listener profile for multiple

reasons, as we talked about in
this episode, but a big one is

your own sanity. Like I said,
podcasting can be overwhelming,

and when you have these tools to
tell yourself, okay, this is who

my listener is. This is who I'm
doing all of this for. Then from

there, it will make everything
so much easier. If you need help

putting together a listener
profile, please book a discovery

call with me. I have a one hour
consultation that would be

absolutely perfect for this. The
link is in the episode

description, and don't forget to
use my new tool. Like I said, it

is absolutely perfect for after
you figure out your listener

profile, it takes all the
information about your ideal

listener and your podcast and
some magic from me, and

instantly emails you five brands
that could be perfect to partner

with your show. And as always, I
can't wait to listen to your

podcast. Hey, thank you so much
for joining me on this episode.

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