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Hello, and welcome to the November
episode of Chattering with ISFM.
I'm Nathalie Dowgray, Head of ISFM
and host of this month's podcast.
Our spotlight this month is on
pain and pain management in cats.
Kelly St.
Denis is speaking with Mark
Epstein, our JFMS guest editor,
for the pain special collection.
But first up, Yaiza Gomez Mejias is
speaking with Sabrine Marangoni on
her 2024 ISFM Congress award winning
abstract, Characterisation of Pain
Behaviours in Kittens Undergoing
Ovariohysterectomy Using Video Assessment.
So Sabrina Marongoni is a PhD candidate
at the University of Montreal, research
assistant at the City University
of Hong Kong, and this year she won
two ISFM awards at the conference
in Malta, so congratulations.
Thank you very much, Yaiza.
It's a real pleasure to be here.
Thanks for having me.
So, I believe you have done
some work on pain in kittens
undergoing ovariohysterectomy.
Could you talk a little bit
about the findings you find more
relevant for general practitioners?
Yes, of course.
This experiment, it's part of a large
experiment divided into three segments.
Unfortunately, we know that adequate
pain management in kittens under
ovariohysterectomy sometimes is
not always provided due to lack of
drug availability or training in
pain assessment in young kittens.
Also early discharge maybe, or even
neglecting that kittens feel less
pain or can cope better with pain
after such common procedures such as
castration and ovariohysterectomys.
So that's the reason that Dr Steagall
created this pain free kitten project.
So, first, from this main study,
which was a prospective clinical
trial with the objective of comparing
an opioid free protocol with or
without multimodal analgesia, right?
So to evaluate if it's effective or not.
So briefly, the results of this main
study was that the prevalence of
rescue analgesia in control cats, which
received only ketamine, midazolam,
and dexmedetomidine, was really
higher in comparison to the multimodal
group that received the same injected
protocol, but with the addition of
one single shot of NSAs, meloxicam,
and also intraperitoneal anaesthesia.
So this protocol of injectable
anaesthesia with multimodal
analgesia almost eliminates the
requirement of rescue analgesia in
those patients, which is great and in
addition to that, we also evaluate in
that study the food intake of those
kittens undergoing a ovariohysterectomy.
And it was found out that the
control group, the painful
kittens, has a reduced food intake.
For the third segment, which is the
study that I just presented in the last
ISFM Congress, we look into the pain
related behaviours of those kittens.
So from the video recordings that
we collected during the study pre
and post op, we found out that pain
related behaviours that have been
described already in adult cats, such as
lowered head position, no attention to
surroundings, and eyes partially closed,
were also observed in painful kittens,
and the administration of analgesia
changed the duration of these behaviours.
So after giving the rescue analgesia,
those kittens were more attentive
to surroundings, they were more
playful, they had the eyes fully open.
The duration of playing was
significantly lower post op in
painful kittens in comparison to
multimodal and pain free kittens.
So we know that decreased
playfulness can be considered a
behavioural indicator of pain.
Of course, it is very variable between
cats, but we know that kittens, it's
intrinsically of their nature to play.
So this study shows that play is
affected by pain in kittens, and
may represent a behavioural positive
welfare status in the clinical setting.
So one can infer that a playful kitten
after surgery is likely not painful.
So we want to see our
kittens play in the practice.
Exactly.
That would be great.
And now Kelly St Denis is going
to be talking about the evolution
of pain and pain management in
veterinary medicine with Mark Epstein.
You've seen a lot of changes.
I graduated in 1999 and I've
seen a lot of changes in pain
management in our feline species.
What do you think are some of our best
changes and improvements over that time?
The high-level answer is the recognition
of pain and the culture of pain
management that had to be invented,
poor cats, we're trailing dogs.
We didn't have products
for them for so many years.
Cats are less accommodating, and we
didn't understand their nonverbal cues.
That's the overarching change.
And then of course we have a number
of therapeutics that are in the
market now, specifically for cats.
We've certainly learned a lot
about extra label use for cats.
The recognition and assessment of
pain in cats is light years beyond
what it was even just a few years ago.
Where do you think we
still have room to grow?
I think I'm going to answer
that by citing a paper.
It was a comprehensive survey about
their perception about medicating
their cats, among other things.
But, news alert, shockingly, they
hate it, having to give oral meds.
So as we move in the direction of
therapeutics, these are going to
be some of the maybe longer acting
ones parenterally administered and
transdermals, and things like that.
Again, your listeners probably
know more than most is that when
you're chasing after your cat,
you start to break the bond.
So whatever we can do that's hands off
for them and not forcing oral meds is
probably the direction we need to go.
If our listeners aren't totally
familiar with our special collections,
about once a year the journal will
put together a special collection.
Last year it was on
accessible veterinary care.
And essentially we are taking
maybe published articles
that were already published.
So in this case it's on
pain, pain management.
But we're also reaching out to people
that maybe would contribute an article.
In there already we have exciting
articles like a video based compilation
of acute pain behaviour in cats.
And I think that was out of
the Paulo Steagall's lab.
We have a really nice article
on neuropathic pain in cats.
We have our consensus guidelines on
NSAIDs and even the FGS for kittens.
And they have something of the order
of, help me Kelly, maybe 20, 21 papers
in this special collection so far?
Yeah.
There's over 10 so far already published,
what are some of the topics coming?
We often focus on therapeutics, right?
Drugs.
Because it's easy to
wrap our minds around.
But we have papers coming that
are going to be talking about
physical rehab for the cat.
These are non pharmacologic things.
One for acupuncture.
One for cannabinoids and
a few others like that.
So, it's gonna be about as robust a
kind of collection I think may exist.
I'm not aware of anything
else similar to this.
It's a really nice collection of articles.
Let's talk about therapeutics in
cats, multimodal pain management
and where we're at with that with
cats in terms of the drugs that we
can use even post operatively, but
acute pain or even chronic pain.
Where do you see those
fitting in with our medicine?
Not to put too fine a point on
it, but we should redefine them.
I know your listeners know multimodal.
We've been using that phrase for 20 years.
It's probably worthy of a minute
to talk about why we're doing that.
First, you are hitting the pain processing
pathway and receptors at different places.
So if you're doing that
in multiple places, you're
going to have more efficacy.
Number two, is if you are doing a little
bit of a few things rather than leaning
heavily into one thing, like just
opioids, the adverse effect profile drops.
Use a little bit of several things
instead of a lot of any one thing.
In the post surgical domain, we try
to dial back on the opioids, not just
because we had gone through a shortage of
opioids at one point and not too terribly
long ago, although that may have passed.
And not just because there is an
opioid epidemic on the human field,
which has changed the face of the
way opioids have used on the human
side, although we overlap with that
a little bit on the Venn diagram and
we have our responsibilities too.
So it's just trying to steer, not steer
away from, but mitigate the, particularly
the use of the full new agonists,
because it can also, those particular
opioids can have adverse effects.
There's no ceiling effect on the
analgesia, but, some of those have no
ceiling effect on the adverse effects.
You can get more methadone or
morphine fentanyl to be fatal,
it can pop the appetite and cause
dysphoria, constipation, other things.
So for all those reasons together,
we were trying to use multi modal
balanced analgesic approaches so that
we don't have to use, in the kind of
peri-surgical setting, quite so much
in the way these full new agonists.
Lastly, is that there's a subset of
patients that either have or at risk
for hypersensitisation, and your
listeners may know this a little better
by its vernacular wind up, right?
And it's where the pain gets exaggerated
in intensity, scope and duration.
Even the field, like if, and not to put
too fine a point on it, but this was for
those of you have been out in practice
long enough to have done declaws early
in your career, there were always the
cats that would limp and hold up a paw.
That was from amputating a
nerve, that is a classic example.
These cats may not even
have pain just in the foot.
That may be their whole arm for example.
That's an example of an expanded field.
So sensitisation and wind up is
unaddressed by the simple use of
opioid or the simple use of NSAIDs.
And so there are other therapeutics and
other things we need to do to address
that particular dimension of pain.
Yes.
And that's a scary part of pain.
Like when we think about any
surgical procedure on a human or
a cat or a dog where, not just
amputations, but we're always cutting
nerves when we make a cut, right?
I just wanted to say thank you.
And I don't know if you have any last
words for us before we close off.
No, I just want to thank you again
for the opportunity to be the special
editor here and to call in some
favours from my friends and colleagues.
And I'm looking forward
to the final product.
It'll be very robust and fascinating.
And I hope you're, you're listeners
and your readers will enjoy.
Thank you.
And don't forget everyone.
You can see any article on the Journal
of Feline Medicine and Surgery and OR.
at Open Access.
So, you don't need to be behind a paywall.
All there for everyone to have a look at.
Have a check our pain
management collection.
Thank you for listening.
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