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In this episode, Matt and The Professor engage in a focused discussion about professional golf playoffs and tournament formats. They explore the challenges of current playoff systems and suggest innovative alternatives that could improve viewer engagement. The conversation covers group play dynamics, semi-finals structures, and final formats that balance equity with entertainment. They specifically address the TV challenges of match play formats and consider creative scoring systems to keep tournaments exciting. Drawing inspiration from other sports, they propose ideas that blend tradition with innovation, emphasizing formats that create compelling stories while satisfying both players and fans. Throughout, they emphasize the importance of designing championship structures that showcase the best talent and deliver dramatic endings that captivate audiences while not taking any one proposal or potential fix too seriously.
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Chapters
- (00:00) - Introduction and Musical Memories
- (02:51) - Golf Course Experiences and Recommendations
- (05:29) - Golfing Challenges and Personal Stories
- (08:12) - Exploring Championship Formats in Golf
- (11:10) - Health and Nutrition Insights
- (14:03) - Professional Golf Playoffs Discussion
- (27:30) - Playoff Formats in Sports
- (30:35) - Innovative Ideas for Golf Playoffs
- (37:28) - Semi-Finals and Championship Structure
- (46:51) - Television and Match Play Dynamics
- (50:26) - The Impact of Player Visibility in Match Play
- (51:08) - Innovative Championship Structures Inspired by Cricket
- (52:53) - Reimagining Scoring Systems in Golf
- (54:51) - Enhancing Viewer Engagement Through Match Play Dynamics
- (56:45) - Learning from Other Sports: The Savannah Bananas Approach
- (57:36) - The Importance of Home Course Advantage
- (58:48) - The Complexity of Playoff Formats
- (59:56) - Balancing Stakeholder Interests in Golf
- (01:00:25) - Team Golf: A New Era for Professional Golf
- (01:02:17) - Creative Match Play Formats and Strategies
- (01:04:10) - The Role of Technology in Golf Broadcasting
- (01:06:16) - The Future of Golf: Merging Tradition with Innovation
Creators and Guests
Host
Matt Considine
Founder of NewClub and our resident feel player. Matt’s junior golf career led him to the University of Akron where he met our co-host. During his junior year, Matt Studied abroad in Ireland and discovered golf societies. Subsequent trips to Scotland fed his passion for the history, ideals, and culture of accessible, affordable, and sustainable golf, a concept he would later bring to the U.S. with NewClub. Known for his interviewing style, quick wit, and compelling storytelling, Matt brings thoughtful, reflective conversations to The Bag Drop. His professional journey before NewClub included multiple leadership positions in growth-stage startups, where he managed teams responsible for more than $250 million in revenue. Matt actively gives back to the game as a Board Member of the First Tee of Akron and past chair of the Evans Scholar Foundation. Proudly based in his hometown of Akron, Ohio, Matt finds inspiration in family life with his wife, their three children, and their golf dog, Gypsy.
Host
The Professor
NewClub's Chief Ambassador and every golf sicko's favorite educator. Kevin is a thoughtful and deeply curious host. His studied, constructivist approach adds intellectual enrichment and balance to the show. As a professor of Math Education at the University of Georgia, Kevin's background in applied mathematics and cognitive psychology uniquely informs his insights on golf strategy and performance. Originally from Ohio, Kevin was a Division I collegiate golfer at the University of Akron, where his passion for understanding mathematical thinking began. After earning his doctorate from Arizona State University, he combined his analytical expertise with his love for golf by co-founding Golf Blueprint, an organization aimed at helping golfers optimize their games through data-driven strategies. Kevin enjoys balancing deep philosophical discussions with simple pleasures, such as indulging his sweet tooth, cheering on college football, and spending relaxed evenings with his friends, his wife, and their beloved dog, Nole.
What is The Bag Drop: Untold Stories in Golf?
Weekly stories from the communities and characters shaping the game. The Bag Drop blends thoughtful, honest perspectives of Matt Considine (Founder of NewClub) and Dr. Kevin Moore ("The Professor") with expert insights for passionate golfers at every level. Produced by NewClub and supported by our members, each episode welcomes guests from clubs, courses, and the lesser-known corners of the golf world for thoughtful discussions on all things golf and life.
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Matt Considine (00:02.442)
Welcome to the new club backdrop untold stories in golf. I'm your host Matt Considine here with our co-host the professor top of the morning. Dr. Moore, how are you?
The Professor (00:14.066)
Mind is all over the place right now. Semester is bearing down on us.
Matt Considine (00:18.126)
You've been a busy boy too. Big trip through the Northeast the last, what, week or so?
The Professor (00:24.55)
little vampire weekend tour of the god idol. don't think I played.
Matt Considine (00:27.022)
Yeah, what was your playlist driving around Cape Cod? Let me guess. 2010-ish.
The Professor (00:31.407)
It was literally...
Oh, it was literally the vampire weekend, vampire weekend album the whole time, the whole time. I'm, I might've played Walcott, no lie, not exaggerating nine times in a row. At one point I was, I was burning up, going to the Provincetown. like, I'm to drive through every city mentioned in Walcott. Really, really cool. Alternative fact of the day, Walcott, that song is homage to the one band members.
Matt Considine (00:39.626)
All time. All eight songs.
The Professor (01:03.226)
movie he made, which was Vampire Weekend as maybe a sophomore or freshman in college. Made the movie Vampire Weekend because he had seen Lost Boys and was obsessed with it and wanted to make an East Coast version of it. And Walcott is the, I believe, the protagonist in the movie Vampire Weekend.
Matt Considine (01:20.494)
Really? Well, there you go. All those vampire weekend listeners on the show, which I know the typical age of our audience, probably a lot of them are. What do you think is the most impressionable time we listened to music? Like you and I were in our late teens, early twenties together listening to a lot of indie rock, I feel like. You were a country kid growing up, I remember, or you still are, I'm sure, to some degree.
The Professor (01:40.882)
Yeah, I was. Dabble here and there, but.
Matt Considine (01:46.68)
Do you think, like I've heard that like 13, whatever you listen to when you were 13 is the music that sticks with you. But for me, the ones I listen to most and a lot of it stems from our text groups of friends that always drop in references to the Killers or Weezer or my gosh, all the Scottish bands. That's another thing parallel to our love of Scottish golf is Scottish bands.
The Professor (02:04.538)
yeah.
The Professor (02:11.186)
Uh, like, I mean, the Scottish Irish band scene back even go back to what's it called? Yeah.
Matt Considine (02:19.704)
Arctic Monkeys come to mind. But do you think that, is there an impressionable time that like, that music is your music for life?
The Professor (02:28.306)
Certainly, think for me, I know, yeah, I think the research shows that sort of 12 years old through 16, 17 years old is like the one that's most impressionable for people. But I think that could the college era, like I think of also like the little John and stuff like that, the club scene, you know, takes back all those memories with with our boy, J.R. the RZA. And then, I mean, The Killers was a hot fuss that album. mean, one of greatest albums ever.
Matt Considine (02:43.224)
Yeah
Matt Considine (02:49.12)
man.
The Professor (02:56.858)
ever written for a college kid.
Matt Considine (02:58.99)
Did the courses live up to the music, the soundtrack? the visual and physical elements match the audio that you were listening to? Give us your favorite course you played.
The Professor (03:11.778)
I Eastward how unquestionably one of the best golf courses I've played in the world, like stands up with anything I've played anywhere. very fortunate. I've played there and yeah, I'm in love with it. I could play there every day and just every hole was a banger. Just had a very, had a great group too. That obviously influences your day. I had a great group of individuals that I was playing with that I shall leave nameless because I know that place likes to stay under the radar. You know, they're probably
think you can make a good argument there at top 20 golf course in the US, know, top 50 in the world, but they like to stay a little bit under the radar. So I'll keep, I'll keep names off the, uh, the list and just say, if you ever get a chance to play there, it's one of those like jump on a plane, go play and spend a day there. Cause it's fantastic. And then drive up the coast and play Highland links. One of the original links golf courses in the, in the United States, it's a little, they call it the public Eastward hoe. figured, found that out after I'd played it. Um, when I was talking to my buddy at Eastward hoe, um,
And it's just a fantastic piece of ground that we need more of in American golf. Like, a little nine hole public golf course thing cost me book day of for $28 or something like that.
Matt Considine (04:22.946)
It's been on my radar for a long time. Cause you know, I love the national parks. I'm obsessed with them. It's one of the crown jewels of golf in the national parks. You know, just a super affordable and incredible landscape with ocean views, all that, all that stuff. And we do, we do need more of it. That, but your pictures, I had not seen, you know, an account such as yours. was like, man, that's even better than I thought it was.
The Professor (04:33.298)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (04:52.282)
Yeah, like it just sits up on a little plateau overlooking the ocean, huge rolling hills, some aggressive topography, some cool greens, lighthouse in play at times. Definitely what it's going to be. And you can run, you can run a bunch of the cities that Vampire Weekend mentions in their songs as you're going up there and get all the way up to Provincetown.
Matt Considine (05:03.896)
Well...
Matt Considine (05:11.86)
And you weren't there just to relive 2009 hits. Patrick Mcspadden, shout out to a listener of the pod. He, he had a big celebration, right?
The Professor (05:23.95)
Yeah. Congratulations on his retirement from the air force. really, you know, he's been a major contributor, major ambassador of new club, over the years and just, and to me, dear friend and great travel partner in golf. He's been one of my critical travel partners. know I can just pair up with him and room and move together with him. retirement from there.
Matt Considine (05:44.674)
And you think the professor and I like to talk my guy's slag can, can let it rip Patrick. And this is, this is always a story I love to tell about him is, you know, we're soaking in, I was his roommate for one of our Scottish golf excursions through new club and, we're soaking in so much and the conversations are, are, you know, sometimes profound, sometimes silly, but we're just talking golf from the moment. You know, we get off the course till the pub, but
The Professor (05:48.336)
the
Matt Considine (06:13.678)
Most nights he would he would fall asleep in conversation like he would just pass out from exhaustion while he's talking about the third green at Ely or something, you know, and I just Chuckled my face off every time Patrick. We love you, man. Congrats on your your retirement. Well earned Hey Kevin, have you ever had before we get to some of the the topic today and other stuff? Have you ever had something silly something small just completely derail your round?
The Professor (06:45.38)
Yeah, I'm trying to get some specific. Definitely I've had. Yes. Like even like something annoying on a golf hole. Well, like throw like for me, like that's been the bug of the architecture, right? Like that's been the problem of getting an architecture. Then I get offended on like the second hole and my whole rounds ruined and I'm no longer focused on just like beating the golf courses. Like that bunker was in the worst possible position. Like not in a worst, like, cause I ended up there, but like, that's just not where you put a bunker. That doesn't, that's a terrible spot for it.
Matt Considine (06:52.151)
No, it's yeah
The Professor (07:15.57)
and then I'm off the rest of the round.
Matt Considine (07:17.066)
Yeah. Yeah. I try to separate, particularly competitive golf as well. Like the, the architecture, you know, depends how the rounds go and I'll dive into architecture all day. If, I'm already seeing myself out of a qualifier or something. But, yesterday, second competition in, in over five years was a mid am quality. I'm back baby. and so Oberlin golf club, which I think there's another episode you and I need to do about golf courses.
The Professor (07:38.994)
How'd it go? Where are we at?
Matt Considine (07:46.88)
In like, like meadow courses, right? That are, they're kind of middle of nowhere, but good rolling Hills and undulation. you and I've chatted about this, like maybe it's a shot at us having a culture similar to UK. If we find places like that and build more golf courses in them. but the, thing that derailed my round, so make a long tail short, making the turn, found, you know, it had some great par saves early.
took care of the par fives, I birdie the 10th hole. So I make a great 15 footer straight up the hill for birdie on 10 and I'm vibing. I got the tee back with the group. You know, I'm two under, so I'm two under. Last year in this qualifier same course, it was four under that got in. So I'm thinking about that as a number. I don't know if that's good at bad, but there's only one par five coming into the last hole. But I'm like, all right, know, this feeling great.
The Professor (08:30.469)
Ooh.
The Professor (08:36.274)
Okay, okay, so you're gonna make a couple more coming in.
Matt Considine (08:46.06)
And I just step up. So I had a little bit of prep. I didn't play the golf course prior. So there's no practice round. So maybe this is all my, my undoing, but I, I did on suggestion, which you do very well, better than most. wasn't going to bug you with this because you've been a busy boy, but, I did some Google earth in, I did some, some, you know, looking at things and, I just step up with driver on 11 and absolutely smoke one. And this is a course Kevin that like,
every there's always a fairway bunker and it's always on the edge of the where the hole turns and all of them are 275 like
The Professor (09:26.642)
So we're, built in the 1980s, 90s era golf course right now is where we're at. Okay.
Matt Considine (09:30.112)
Yeah. Yeah. So, so for, for your boy, I know that I got that in the bag. that's, we only had five, five, you know, knots of wind every, five mile per hour wind all day long. So it wasn't like anything was going to really skew that too much. could kind of step up, usually aim at that bunker and we're, we're golden. Well, this particular one, I,
The Professor (09:36.786)
Yeah, you're going to carry that. No problem at all. Get those hips turning. You're good. You're there.
Matt Considine (09:58.606)
Hit the very top edge of the bunker and went in the fairway bunker. And so I'm too under I just was vibing I just smoked a drive and and here's what got under my skin I go back to My notes and I wrote it down incorrectly. I wrote it down incorrect I I actually thought it was a like the routing of this nine is slightly different and this was the one hole the one hole that was 300 to carry and I Was was planning to hit a five-volt off the tee
I was going to hit a five word off the T and a seven iron into the green. And this is all again, my Google map prep. This error bugged me. I can't lie to myself and say to it drove me nuts. It drove me nuts walking up to that bunker. It drove me nuts standing in that bunker. It drove me nuts that the guy running the term is taking a picture of me in this bunker. And I hadn't been in a damn bunker all day and I'm just like irritated man. And, it
through, I destroyed myself. I just employed it.
The Professor (11:01.165)
You all side of the Zen golf, vision 54, like, hey, the results done. Like what's happened, happened. All you can do is move on now.
Matt Considine (11:05.216)
Yeah, all that stuff.
Matt Considine (11:12.408)
So help me, yeah, long stories made even longer, I played five over in the next three holes, two doubles and a bogey. I pumped one out of bounds on the third pressing to get back into that range. And it was so within my grasp standing in that bunker. Do you know what I mean? Like I had all the tools, I had all the skills, I had figured out the way that the greens were moving and it was right there and I could have very,
well shot, four under by the way, got in three was in a playoff. So what, what do you do as a learning lesson? I know everybody has these things that, that screw with us, like sitting in that bunker, what would you tell yourself or tell me to do differently next time?
The Professor (11:45.49)
Right there.
The Professor (11:58.929)
Yeah, I think in being very specific to that case where, know, you're vibing, you're grooving, you know, it's not like, know, you could have told a different story where you're Pete, you're band-aiding everything through right now. You're vibing, grooving, right? So all you can do in that moment is like, well, let me ask this, was it a manageable bunker shot? Like you had a shot at the green. Yeah. So like all you can say there is like, man, I'm vibing and grooving. Just keep doing what I'm doing. And I'm going to take a birdie or par here. And I'm just going to keep doing that. Right. Like.
Matt Considine (12:17.186)
so manageable.
Matt Considine (12:28.236)
And I was so-
The Professor (12:28.442)
Like that's like, just keep doing what I'm doing. Like, well I hit in a bunker. Darn. It's not like you pumped it out of bounds or whatever. So just keep.
Matt Considine (12:35.054)
Yeah, and I think because it was like a clerical error and not my doing, that's what really bugged me the most. Because if I make a mistake on my own execution, I'm fairly good at accepting that. This one I just couldn't accept. And I think about what I was doing in that bunker. I I was literally still thinking about I shouldn't be here.
The Professor (12:43.238)
Yeah.
The Professor (12:56.816)
Yeah, that's right. You got like, I got this suggestion from Chris Wilson, great advice that I've used when I'm playing my basketball, if I keep this in mind and I use it like, you're like anytime you're, you're stressed, you're mad, like any of these negative emotions, like laugh at yourself or whatever is there. like in that case, like laugh, okay, you made a clerical error, laugh at yourself, you idiot, like turn into something jovial for me. It's like,
Matt Considine (13:13.549)
Hmm.
The Professor (13:21.978)
I get nervous about the outcome of a shot. like, I'm gonna hit in the water. I'm gonna hit out of bounds or I'm gonna shoot 80. And it's like, so he taught me and laugh at yourself. Cause how ridiculous is that you're getting stressed about something that hasn't happened. Cause you could do the opposite. You could knock it in. You could shoot 65. Like, so we'll just laugh at yourself that you're getting stressed about something that negative outcome that hasn't happened. Or in your case, laugh about something like, yeah, we do that. Like we make mistakes and you, you you idiot, like just kind of laugh it off and then.
then move forward, especially when you're vibing, right? Cause you don't want to break that vibe. It's like, darn, laugh at yourself. You know, you idiot, like you haven't cost yourself a shot yet. Like you can still execute the bunker shot and get through.
Matt Considine (13:58.476)
Laugh at yourself. Yeah, just laughing in general smiling getting those hdme or whatever vision 54 calls those Those emotions get get those going maybe play some vampire weekend in your head I didn't do any of that and and it's a good learning lesson I will say and i'll squeeze in our titleist shout out right here. my gt drivers continue
The Professor (14:15.27)
That's right. mean, there's a reason.
Matt Considine (14:27.266)
to ask solicit questions. Playing with some other, know, mid-aim, another guy with three kids who tries to keep the game in shape and stays in good shape himself, smokes the ball, but he was looking in the back going, what's up with, how do you like your GT? You know, cause he's noticing the height of my ball and the carry yardage compared to where he was.
He's in the TSR and it's a great, you know, he hit it well, but, man, I do know that there's something to that high launch, low spin that, works quite well, particularly mid summer here in, in the Midwest. So shout out to, to that, all those two 75 bunkers, you know, until they, something either happens, the ball changes or, or those bunkers move, but, the GT definitely helped me at least.
The Professor (15:03.676)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (15:24.33)
make it even a possible reality of trying to qualify for that thing. There's a topic we've discussed in casual conversation over the years that most do, Kevin, in their text group. I think, you know, I like to think our audience is a thoughtful audience, a bit more thoughtful than most about the game of golf, probably more thoughtful than us at times.
as I know from the responses we received from those that listen. And as we get started here in the championship weeks for the PGA tour to our championships this week, live golf has their team competition championship in Michigan. And, I thought it would be fun for you and I as a thought exercise to kick around possible alternatives to championship crowning golf, you know, a season that culminates
in a playoff that culminates in a championship. Like what are some other ways we could do it? And neither of us gave tremendous, I think over the years, we've probably given a lot of thought to this, but we're not necessarily fully prepared to give our dissertation on what we think pro golf should do when it comes to their championships, but we have some ideas and we're going to get into those today. And I think it's going to be a fun
The Professor (16:45.916)
I got to ask, have you watched much of the FedEx Cup over the last, what are we at? don't know. 18 years, something like that. I can't even tell you. How much of the FedEx Cup playoffs have you watched over the years? And not just in passing, are you tuned in to watch the FedEx Cup playoffs?
Matt Considine (16:59.522)
Man, I...
Matt Considine (17:05.262)
think it, all the calendar shifts and you know, when I was more into watching golf and less playing at a time, so when Tiger was winning some, I feel like I would tune in for those because it's Tiger. The reality though is I'm not that interested. Also the time of year, like as a golf fan, there's a little burnout.
The Professor (17:26.619)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (17:31.18)
Like you just, the majors are the majors. We set our calendars. You and I love waking up early for them. Like you do that. And then once that's over, you're like, all right, I need a breather. And so with, with more, it is a lot of the best players in the world getting together. That's the drawl of it. But no, I don't make it. It's not appointment viewing. I'm assuming it's the same for you. Is that true?
The Professor (17:53.619)
Yeah, you know, I'm trying to think like memories over the years. I do remember a couple of things like, you know, was it Billy Haas at the, but with the splash out shot from the water in the playoff or to win, or I think it was in the playoff or an 18th hole to make the playoff. You know, I used to tune into, was it at like TPC Boston or something like that? I thought the golf course was interesting and had a lot of characters. So I remember watching, I think it was TPC Boston. I'd watched that event just for the golf course. Cause the shots they had to hit the 18th shot, 18th hole, the good drive, you know,
trying to reach it in two into par five. Tiger obviously winning the tour championship in Atlanta in 2018 like that, you know, like that was, or did he, I think he wanted, I think he wanted to.
Matt Considine (18:30.584)
That was sick.
So he won the tour championship, but he didn't win the FedEx Cup, right? Wasn't that the year that you could have two different winners?
The Professor (18:37.318)
Wait, yeah, yeah. I think that was that, right? Like, yeah, again, it's speaking to the ridiculousness of the files.
Matt Considine (18:42.702)
think so.
And who was it? Was it Justin Rose that won that year?
The Professor (18:47.858)
I sure. Yeah. Like that's great. Right. Good luck remembering Billy Horschel. I don't know. Right. Like, JT maybe, who knows? but yeah, like I don't, yeah, it has not been appointment viewing much, much at all. at least with the new East Lake, I'm interested to see the golf course and I watch it for that. But yeah, just what Justin Rose.
Matt Considine (19:11.15)
It was Justin Rose, by the way, just had to confirm. Well, we're gonna get into that and some ideas on it. I'm jumping over a few things in the intro, including our Fact of the Week. Do you have a Fact of the Week or was it just your knowledge of Vampire Weekend?
The Professor (19:26.652)
Well, I threw out, yeah, we could have ran with that as the fact, but if you're giving me the floor, will go with one more since it is a very, very big topic in today's news. You drink soda anymore?
Matt Considine (19:42.912)
Only Norka beverage. 100 year old Norka beverage. That is pure cane sugar in Norka.
The Professor (19:44.142)
Only Norca beverage shout out Norca beverage. we know what kind of sugar they use?
So what do you know about cane sugar? Yeah, like that's the debate right now, right? That's the whole, we're going to cane sugar, big win, all that sort of stuff. I remember chugging Mountain Dew, then switching over to the cane sugar Mountain Dew with the throwback cans, loved it. You know, thought I was being, you know, healthier or whatever. Like, so the question is, what is the difference? So I've been digging deep on that, talking to some of my professors that do research in the area and frankly, there's not much at all. So.
Matt Considine (19:56.315)
not much.
The Professor (20:21.746)
What are the differences? All right, from cane sugar, is the real name sucrose, right? But we call it cane sugar. Cane sugar sounds better. It's actually sucrose is what it is. And that means it's 50 % glucose and 50 % fructose. So that's cane sugar. High fructose corn syrup, which is traditionally in soda and other things, is 55 % fructose and 45 % glucose. So switching from
Matt Considine (20:30.913)
Okay.
The Professor (20:50.514)
high fructose corn syrup to cane sugar, AKA sucrose, is only a 5 % change in fructose, which amounts to like, okay, we're switching from 21 grams to 19 grams in the drink that we're drinking in terms of fructose.
Matt Considine (21:05.902)
So is it fair to say glucose is better than sucrose?
The Professor (21:09.594)
I think so. I haven't gotten to the details on the difference between the two, but fructose is the more worry someone.
Matt Considine (21:14.894)
Yeah, because over in the UK, I know it always, they advertise glucose on their leukosides and whatnot.
The Professor (21:19.684)
Yeah. And it's like how we can process glucose is a little cleaner, I believe, some things there because, okay, so like, at that level, on the glucose fructose breakdown, like there's minimal difference, that's somewhat inconsequential. Same amount of calories per gram, like in the two, so nothing changes there. Now the big difference is
Potentially a big difference is sucrose has them bound together. So fructose and glucose is they're bound together in sucrose where they exist in their free form in high fructose corn syrup. So getting to the weeds here, there's minimal evidence, but some evidence that maybe there's a difference in how we process it and high fructose corn syrup would be more readily converted to fat in the liver. Very minimal evidence for that actually being consequential, but it is potentially that is occurring.
but that's still speculative, very debated. And also the debates there because at the of the day, even if that is the case, the difference between two is very minimal for our health at all. Like even if that there is a difference there and when it comes down to our health, that's inconsequential, especially when it'd be like, Hey, take five extra steps a day. Like that's not going to change your healthy lifestyle. Right? So switching to cane sugar,
isn't going to change at all. Your lifestyle at all isn't really going to impact your health at all. So while this is getting, you know, this is getting spun as this huge win, but keep this in mind. There's no law or policy being put in place that we need to switch to cane sugar and things. These are the companies making this decision and they're doing that because in overall perception, it looks healthier. What's that going to do for them?
increased sales, increased consumption, which will then negatively impact our health in America.
Matt Considine (23:12.014)
Yeah. Impact our health. Yeah, because the real answer is don't have any of it.
The Professor (23:18.726)
don't have any of it is the real answer. Sorry, sorry Michael. I love Norca. I drink my Norca, love it.
Matt Considine (23:20.558)
And that's yeah, no, no. I, well, I think, I think the real answer is to not say don't have any of it. That's not a realistic thing. Cause life is like live your life and it's okay to have a, if you enjoy a bourbon, have one, you know, on the weekend, but maybe don't have it every night. Like it's the, that's the moderation of it, but that is really interesting. Uh, I, I.
The Professor (23:41.776)
moderation, right? So like this.
Matt Considine (23:46.638)
It's so funny you brought this up because me and my wife were literally talking about it yesterday Just about like the zero sugar stuff and and you know Those aren't good for you with anything that ends in an AME on the back of the label I mean, it's hard. It's hard to be a conscientious like healthy person today because There's just a lot of shit out there, but
The Professor (24:09.254)
Yeah, and you get tricked in this way where like they celebrate this as a health win and it's like, no, it's actually like, that's it is possibly an improvement, possibly minimally, but it's like, that's not solving any of the ills of the health system and the health issues in America.
Matt Considine (24:24.334)
See, that's why this podcast matters in the world, Kevin. People came here thinking we're talking about golf and they're taking away something critical that they could use to improve the life of themselves and their loved ones. Great fact. I got a couple of shout outs. mean, New Club, we have plenty that is...
The Professor (24:28.85)
You
Matt Considine (24:50.766)
Humming the founders cup is what down to three spots left. So you got jump on those no, there's a couple double occupancy as well. So if you got a buddy you can do those but a handful of those left down at Pinehurst in November So if you're a new club member listening Wait no longer because they will be gone November 2nd through the fifth Pinehurst Resort. We're playing number two. We're playing all the hits number four number eight The cradle as often as you want special place
to be in the game of golf. Shout out to some champs that we missed over the last month. The Rumble in Chicago. No surprise here. Brian McCarty brought his guest, Andrew Nelson, and they took down the title. He wins a lot, and for a guy that wins this much, he should have more enemies. He doesn't. He's very kind, he's very nice, everybody likes him. Brian, congrats on yet another win. He's going for his... Bit?
The Professor (25:21.702)
Very special.
The Professor (25:37.618)
He wins.
Matt Considine (25:50.03)
club championship in a row? I think he's going for his fifth club championship in a row.
The Professor (25:50.577)
I was going say, has he built a new trophy case at home? hope the wife gave him if he's married. I hope he has his own room for his trophies because he is Scottie Shuffling it.
Matt Considine (26:00.19)
such a stud. Can't wait to see what he does in September for the club championship in Chicago. Landman was a blast, man. We had so many stories. I was gutted not being there, but so many stories. Obviously playing a place like Landman for a few days in the summer, you're just going to have a good time. And that was what mattered most, but it was a competition. So I need to congratulate Joe Grouse and his guest.
I'm sorry, I'm gonna butcher his name. Anand Radhia, I believe, Anand Radhia, thank you for forgiving me for mispronunciation, but those two gentlemen won the gross division from Chicago and then our net division was won by new member Tom Carey and Derek Peters. So congratulations to you gentlemen on that. All right, let's get to saving the world of professional golf, let's go.
The Professor (26:58.65)
Yeah, we're 30 minutes in and we haven't even got to the topic, which I think just speaks to how important the current version of the playoffs are that we're talking about this, like just blow it up, whatever, whatever's new is going to be better than what we have. Sorry to our tour friends out there.
Matt Considine (27:05.898)
Yeah, there you go. We don't even want to talk about it.
Matt Considine (27:16.354)
All right, Kevin, what are your favorite playoffs to watch in sports?
The Professor (27:22.616)
I mean, think NHL hockey like a game seven and NHL hockey with a high intensity, the pace of the games, the value of a singular goal like man, hockey's I think like one of the best to watch.
Matt Considine (27:40.558)
Hockey's good. Hockey's good. I was going to say playoff baseball, but only when my team's in it. Like I don't turn in. And the thing I love about playoff baseball is every pitch feels like you're on the edge of your seat because every pitch matters. Every hit matters, every strike, every ball. And so it's just heightened. I always feel like playoff baseball in a seven game game series is, is always heightened. what's another one? Anything?
The Professor (27:46.268)
Yeah.
The Professor (27:53.564)
Yeah.
The Professor (28:05.052)
Yeah.
The Professor (28:09.646)
Energy. mean, energy in the NBA, like energy in a series. I don't think you can replicate the energy that you get in an NBA game anywhere else from the fans. think of like the Golden State when they took down the Mavericks back in whatever year that was like that, that state, you know, the gym was just rocking in the, the, momentum shifts in the NBA and what that does to the crowd. I think is unmatched. And when you're watching that, even as a non-fan of either team and you just see.
that energy coming through, think that's a blast to watch. And so I definitely, I'm a big consumer of NBA playoff basketball, especially.
Matt Considine (28:43.946)
Me too. I turn, I tune into NBA playoff basketball mostly because I'm just a basketball fan. So it's the sport itself that attracts me. But the knock I have on that and why I put baseball ahead of it is, in blowout games, less matter. So a lot of these games now are decided by sometimes the first half and definitely the third quarter. but also it's a advertisement of
The Professor (29:06.076)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (29:13.006)
how bad the regular season is. Because the physicality of NBA playoff basketball, the way they play, when it matters, it shows you very directly the rest of the season didn't matter. And I think that's a flaw of their kind of system maybe. But what else? Is there any alternative sports that people, not the big three that people might not know about that you find interesting in a playoff dynamic?
The Professor (29:15.308)
it is.
The Professor (29:25.478)
Yeah.
The Professor (29:36.145)
I mean...
The Professor (29:40.787)
I mean, I don't know if this category is playoff. think like, you know, real football, soccer, like their setup is great in terms of they do pod play and you know, then into a bracket. think it's fantastic. think the Olympics, the way they do like qualifying into then like you got to qualify through heats. Yeah, like, I mean, that's the setup across a lot of their sports, right? Track and field, swimming, like, hey, you got to qualify through heats just to get to the main show.
Matt Considine (29:58.67)
specific sports or?
Matt Considine (30:03.341)
Okay.
Matt Considine (30:07.598)
Hmm. Yeah.
The Professor (30:09.862)
Like I think that's a pretty cool format. Cause then the heats like you watch those heats sometimes and they're just as intense and fantastic as the main show itself. So like it has this yet has this build the whole way through everything super consequential. It's not like, I lost that. I can come back next week and get the win and tie it back up. It's like, I lost that. He I'm out. I'm done. Like I've trained all my time for this. And I'm out.
Matt Considine (30:31.234)
I, that's a good, yeah. My, my example might incorporate some of that heat mentality. I was not thinking about that as an example, but, that's a really good one. tennis came to mind for me for, for playoffs, not that they have, frankly, I don't know what the, you know, pro tennis tour, I know how the majors operate, which, you know, single elimination.
The Professor (30:59.088)
Yes, elimination bracket seated based on based on your ranking, your professional ranking and you see that based on that.
Matt Considine (31:00.524)
Yeah, bracket, right, which.
Yeah, and that appeals to me as a watch. Like I love watching Upsets in Tennis. I love watching, you know, I'll tune in for that. The head-to-head kind of drama of how much it means to move on to the next step.
The Professor (31:13.202)
I'm gonna use...
The Professor (31:18.226)
Yeah, I'm gonna have a little modifier on the tennis format for my preferred playoffs thing.
Matt Considine (31:20.96)
Okay, okay. I, but I'm kind of just trying to think of alternatives that are already out there in plain sight that fans really like. Is there any other individual sport? Cause team and individual sports when it comes to playoffs, you gotta, you gotta give credit that they're different.
The Professor (31:34.774)
Little bit different. Yeah. Yeah. I wish, you know, like, like you mentioned earlier, this was only, we had a 12 hour prep here and eight hours of that was sleeping. cause I did not do research on like cricket, you know, some of these like pretty infinite sports, like what are they for? I know cricket goes, I'm going to, I am going to do a little bit of variance on cricket too. Like I have, I know
Matt Considine (31:43.566)
You
Matt Considine (31:51.15)
I got you there brother, because I, India Premier League, listened to acquired's podcast on India Premier League. I'm going to incorporate some of that into my golf idea.
The Professor (31:57.37)
Yeah.
The Professor (32:01.041)
Yeah, so like I don't, you them or like Aussie rules, sports and all that, like, you know, what formats do they follow? I'd be interested to know.
Matt Considine (32:09.634)
Yeah. So, so, and we're not going to make this like about why it's wrong or right to, we're just going to have some ideas. We don't want to be the critical ones on this one. Like, yeah, there's a lot of people that have tried to think up a bunch of solutions to this playoff championship problem in golf, live golf being one of them now, the team championship that's happening this week. And we can get all into that too, but, I wanted to.
The Professor (32:18.576)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (32:38.926)
come at it from just like, let's add some ideas. I know there's some executives at the PJ tour that listen to this podcast. I want to get, I want to give them some, some fuel for their, some fodder to take back to the boardroom. So, would you like to start? Would you like, I have an idea with some components to it.
The Professor (32:56.73)
You you wrote this this was your this is your topical pitch. So let's kick it to you. Let's you I don't want to steal any of your thunder
Matt Considine (33:01.006)
All right.
So there's a narrative problem, I think, with a lot of this, right? Where we're always talking about world rankings on one side, and then we're talking about FedEx Cup points on the other side, and we're talking about Ryder Cup qualification on this side, and Aeon top 10.
The Professor (33:13.958)
Yeah. And the whatever the top, top 10 and the other one, the wind dome, whatever. Yeah. Or a lot going on.
Matt Considine (33:21.388)
Yeah, and this is something that I think Live Golf is actually pushing for in the right. hate to say it, but in the right way, it's like, we do need to have a world ranking, like a real world ranking that includes those guys, that includes, it just has to exist. And there has been, I read the book Rainmaker by Hughes Norton recently, and he was pretty influential. This was Tiger's first agent.
really remarkable person in a lot of ways and a wild story if you want to get, got to get him on this podcast. But the world rankings, I mean, it was a battle to get this thing built, right? And, to, and so we went through all that and we can't just throw it all away. Like it's a good foundation. Yeah. It has some things that we could gripe about and a lot of people smarter than us do, but I think whatever we use for a
The Professor (34:04.21)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (34:21.166)
playoff. I don't care what tour. I believe it's got to be this world agreed upon ranking system. And so here's my idea. And this is, we'll just stick with individual, PJ tour type golf season long golf, could be a world tour. Maybe not, but who cares about that? We're just talking playoffs and championships, top 100, top 100 qualify. That's it. Simple.
The Professor (34:45.35)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (34:47.15)
All year long, you're thinking about world rankings. You go play somewhere else. Great. You go play wherever majors are worth more, but it's, top 100 top 100 players get in. If you, you, uh, aren't in the top 100, you're out. The.
The Professor (35:02.502)
Yeah, so you're imagining an event that's like not tied to an organization even. This is just a
Matt Considine (35:08.792)
I think an organization has to step up and have enough confidence to say, even if you qualified without being whatever X percent on our tour, you're still in. Yeah. Yeah.
The Professor (35:18.704)
Yeah. You don't have be a tour member. You don't have to have your membership card. We're just going to run. Yeah. Now we're going, we're going, are we going go in district format? Typical 72. We getting creative there. Just going to say, okay, the end of the year, the top 100 as of this date, they're coming, they're coming in.
Matt Considine (35:23.874)
Yeah, yeah, because that's the best product.
No, no, here you go. This is
Matt Considine (35:35.758)
Not at all. Here's where we're stepping out into the unknown. Uh, yeah, we'll see. We'll see what you have to say. So the quarterfinals week one, let's call it, um, 100 players start, they play one round of stroke play on Wednesday, a hundred players. Uh, the top 36 players from that first round are safe. What they're, they're, they're in to,
The Professor (35:40.934)
This sounds like a true fifth major.
Matt Considine (36:05.678)
The second round call it or the second round of stroke play. You'll see where I'm going here. Uh, everyone else, those 64 players are now, uh, based on world ranking put into a single elimination match play on Thursday. So they go from a stroke play on Wednesday, the a hundred players play 36 are safe 64 are left and they go into single elimination on Thursday, AKA the round of 64.
Right? We all know March madness. all talk about that. I, I did enjoy the round of 64 when it was the world golf championship match play Accenture, all the names it had. Um, but at this, it has much more, uh, significance in every putt matters, just like a playoff baseball game. Right? So, uh, the round of 64 is that next day. It's on Thursday and you gotta win to get back into the field.
The Professor (36:34.801)
Notha.
The Professor (37:00.762)
Okay, I'd like, all right, yeah.
Matt Considine (37:02.446)
So as you play, let's say you win your match. Now you're in the field on Friday and that stroke play continues same. Your score carries over from the first day to that for the 68 remaining players. So we went from a hundred down to 68 after two days. Round two of stroke play happens on Friday. And again, the top 36 are going to be safe, but the bottom 32
The Professor (37:12.571)
Okay.
Matt Considine (37:29.774)
Are playing the next day and again single elimination matches saturday aka the round of 32 And so so then you knock out half of those guys and sunday is a 36 hole final 52 players now again, this is quarterfinals of the playoffs don't Yeah, 52 players and they are now playing final day of this week one
The Professor (37:31.738)
and imagine it.
The Professor (37:47.026)
Yeah, we're down to 52 players. All the scores have carried forward.
Matt Considine (37:55.692)
This wherever our venue is, wherever we're set, this is the quarterfinals of the playoffs week. last day, Sunday, they're going to go play 36 holes. can wake up early and tune in early. You can not watch it and wait for the main coverage late into the evening. the way. no, no, I don't, I don't think I'm there yet. but I like the, I like the idea. I like the contribution.
The Professor (38:05.457)
Uh-huh.
The Professor (38:12.678)
gonna shotgun this?
The Professor (38:19.538)
I'm thinking shotgun reset the scores. So 36 holes winner takes all just.
Matt Considine (38:25.61)
No, because of the quarterfinals and I want there to be the gradualness of this. So 52 players are playing for only 32 spots in the semi-finals. So you're cutting 20. It's not a huge cut, yeah. there's a winner and there's a whatever podium for second, third, maybe, but the real drama here is the midfield and the telecast is going to
The Professor (38:37.162)
Okay. Okay, we're going to cut 20. So we're playing 36, cutting 20.
Matt Considine (38:53.326)
Focus in on are they making it to the semi finals or not? And that's the following week, right? Um, I also thought about ties because we're, know, if you're doing the stroke play, you're going to have a bunch of ties. I think all ties are broken by your world ranking, making the regular season matter even more. So if you're, uh, uh, you get stuck in that first round of 64 and you're a two in the world.
The Professor (38:57.53)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (39:21.006)
or no, I'm sorry, after the second day of stroke play, and you don't know if you're in the matches or you're continuing the stroke play, the second ranked player in the world moves on and the 78th ranked player in the world has to go play the match. And so that's just making the regular season matter a little bit more. And I just think this quarterfinals will be electric. I think it's like a huge kickoff to playoff season.
The Professor (39:36.274)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (39:47.974)
we can talk about seasonality to and gripe about why August isn't the best date for this, but I, and this is inspired by the women's am a couple of weeks ago being on prime time on band and dunes. I think it would be totally sick because there's, there's inherent. This is a TV product. I think the way I went at this was what would be really exciting for the TV viewer and the broad.
The Professor (39:59.773)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (40:14.67)
broad-based audience, maybe not as much in this quarterfinals idea, not as many people on one location or venue, know, not a hundred thousand fans, maybe it's just, hell, I don't care, give the sponsors all the tickets and keep it at a tight, small venue that we actually wanna watch on TV, put it at band and dooms. Like I know we make the gripes, oh, it can't be, no, prime time band and dooms, links golf, match play, stroke play on the odd days.
I think that's electric personally. think it gives me something to tune into every single night that's a little different and it's prime time out on the West Coast. So that's my that's my corner finals. We're only a third of the way through. So I'll let you digest that.
The Professor (40:54.418)
Yeah, I gonna say what happens after the 36 holes? So we go through the 36 holes, we were at what, 52 people were playing, right? And they play 36 holes, then they're cutting down to 32 after that.
Matt Considine (41:06.428)
yeah. And yeah, so there's some variance we could have, and it doesn't have to be, you know, if we could stomach, 54 hole stroke play, you know, golf with the match play intervals, I'm fine with that. I guess I thought 72 holes as every one of these guys on the PJ tour was taught to, in coach to say is how you identify the best player. And so I was sticking with that, but you're right. It could just be the 18 hole.
Um, cut, you're down to 32 players and we're moving on. There you go. All right. So semi-finals it's, and you know, I'm a huge fan of this of all the playoffs we listed, uh, world cup. I got hooked on as a young guy over in, uh, both the Euro cup. Actually the Euro cup got me too, cause they do group play as well, but group play group play is really an interesting way. It's like heat in a way.
The Professor (42:04.498)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (42:04.824)
But it's an interesting way to not have the anomaly. know, one great game at a Sudan against Italy isn't gonna get them through the group. They gotta show up. Or knock out Italy. Yeah, they gotta show up. The more consistent team, the more consistent players gotta show up. And match play, you know, there's so many critiques on match play. And I'll get to those probably within my finals, but there's always, I will, pause on that thought.
The Professor (42:16.634)
or knock out Italy.
Matt Considine (42:34.712)
But in the, in the semi-finals, this event, again, we're now in week two, maybe there's a week in between, maybe it's a month in between, I don't know, but there's the group play semi-finals. And I think you can get really clever with this. I do. if it's 32 players, as we've gotten down to from our, from our quarter finals, those are eight groups divided into four players each. Right?
The Professor (42:42.972)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (43:01.564)
Yeah, yeah, yep, yep.
Matt Considine (43:03.234)
I think you keep it based on world ranking. think if you use just one week of data from the stroke play.
The Professor (43:07.26)
So yeah, regroup to do the groups based on take the players we've got stack them in there. Yep, I'm with you stack them in their back of their world order and use that to define the groups number, the top ranked player that got in will automatically get like the lowest ranked or whatever. However, you want to break that up.
Matt Considine (43:23.758)
Yeah, and each inevitably each group will be defined by its uh star so there's the rory group. There's the brising group. There's the john rom group There's the scotty shephler group and and then those groups will have the brian campbell is can he get out of the rory group? There's the uh, sep straka Can he beat john rom in that group? and so I think there's a lot of storylines in the group play for Which I remember with the wgc. It just didn't have any significance with the wgcs
The Professor (43:40.796)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (43:52.691)
Yeah, I like that. And that's where I think I would go back and modify your format. Each stroke play segment we go to, we're resetting to zero and we're play like, each stroke play segment is to get onto the next match play segment, right? Is to qualify into it.
Matt Considine (44:07.192)
So you think just 18 whole stroke play, then reset every time you.
The Professor (44:10.296)
And then each time that I like the 1818, even the 36, I like that, but like we're gonna reset on each of those T's time to zero. Cause each one is a heat. Yeah.
Matt Considine (44:18.35)
See, I thought keeping it going would be more equitable in a way of identifying the guy playing the best that week. But to your point, if we wanted to make the season matter even more, yeah. Heat or, yeah, you had a bad heat. Yeah.
The Professor (44:28.658)
Yeah, I think it's.
The Professor (44:32.498)
Like really heat, like really heat oriented too. Like just go full on like, Hey, yeah. Okay. Great. We're onto the next word. We're, onto heat two, heat two, heat three. Yeah.
Matt Considine (44:41.58)
I think my goal in doing the aggregate too, I don't know if the data would show this, is to keep the stars involved. Like a little bit in my head, I know this is a TV product and you need the stars to have the TV audience. that was a little bit of my thought there too, but I like resetting as well. Anyways, this is exactly what I was hoping for. We could iterate, baby. We're iterating here.
The Professor (44:48.208)
Yeah, probably. That's right.
The Professor (44:56.946)
I'm with Yonah.
The Professor (45:04.498)
That's right.
Matt Considine (45:07.326)
All eight groups. Here's just an idea. I don't think this might logistically work, but you could spread all eight groups around the country.
The Professor (45:14.962)
Oh yeah. This is going to dive. You're going to probably touch on one of my ideas. I'm going to spring up, but I love that run. Go. No, no, no. I'll save it. See like I have a very intentional version of this that I'm going to do, but like, yes, spread it around. However you you're envisioning. Go.
Matt Considine (45:20.824)
Do you want to touch on it now or do you want to wait?
Matt Considine (45:26.454)
Okay, alright, yeah.
Matt Considine (45:32.184)
So if you don't know what group play is, just to quickly explain, every player plays every other player once. So it's a round robin. A lot of people refer to it as round robin. You're playing three matches. As a person in the group, you're playing three matches. so, you know, group play, it's about emerging from the group. But if you follow, when you get into the World Cup,
you just follow it so closely. Like I'm always looking at my phone to see how, and then you have the pundits that are saying like, all right, with this scenario, this is who's getting through and it's almost like an election in some ways. Like, all right, but they need to win by a goal differential of that. And there is a stroke differential here too, Kev. I wanna have a stroke differential in this that how the points that you win by matter as well.
The Professor (46:14.162)
Mm-hmm. it.
The Professor (46:22.692)
Yeah. So match play. not striped like point differential and match play. Like if you want to up like, so play all 18 holes in the match because you can win three up through 18 holes. And so you would carry that match play on. that what you're thinking? Like, so play the match out. Yeah. In group play play that the match is 18 holes. You're not winning them. You win the match. So you get a win, loss, draw record. Yeah. Plus if you won three up. Yeah.
Matt Considine (46:27.97)
Yes. Yes.
Matt Considine (46:38.232)
In in group in group play that
Matt Considine (46:45.972)
One win plus three points. Yeah, you got one win plus three. Wins matter more than points, but when you tie on number of wins, the points come into play.
The Professor (46:55.354)
Yeah, so we can use the, that will give our differential to break any tiebreakers in the group play and stuff like that. Love it. Love it.
Matt Considine (47:00.31)
Yeah, yeah exactly and that theory keep that idea for when we get to the finals because I got
The Professor (47:04.946)
And that keeps a match going too, matches go through all 18. Like we don't have to worry about a match ending on the 12th hole.
Matt Considine (47:10.488)
Yes, yes, and it matters if it is a differential, right?
The Professor (47:14.77)
Now let's go for the TV window.
Matt Considine (47:17.216)
Yep, you got it, man. All right, so, I guess that's it on the semi-finals. Then the top two from each group move on. The top two. Yeah, and I could be talked into just the top one. Yeah, I could be talked into the top one if you wanted to make the semi-finals a bit more dramatic with maybe one and two playoff in the semi-finals to get into the Elite Eight.
The Professor (47:28.69)
Okay, we're pulling the top two from each group. So we're at 16, we're 16 people now.
The Professor (47:39.375)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (47:45.646)
you know, which is going to be our championship, our finals. But I also like, I like the storylines. And I think if you have 16 finalists, you're going to have some unique storylines. You're going to have this, you know, if, you have 16 and again, the data probably, I'd love to see some data on this to, to show, prove if it's true or not, but you're going to have the long shot, the hundred ranked player in the world ish player in a, in a 16 finalists of this nature, but you're definitely.
The Professor (47:56.433)
That's right.
Matt Considine (48:15.246)
uh, gonna ensure that some stars are, are in the mix for your, your final championship, uh, match. Any questions on the semi finals or other thoughts or amendments? All right. So we're, and I didn't give a tremendous amount of thought to location on the semi finals or finals. We could have some fun thinking about, there's two big variables.
The Professor (48:27.218)
I like it.
The Professor (48:38.085)
I will, let me jump in. will say I love this format, but this is also the format when it's being explained on TV. It's like the new college football overtime roles. Like when the announcers are trying to like at the beginning, explain this, like, and you're like sitting there like, why the hell are we doing this? This is so common. The announcers like 10 minutes again, like I hate the college overtime roles and what they do now. Cause I clearly have to spend 10 minutes explaining what each eye overtime does.
Matt Considine (48:46.262)
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no.
Matt Considine (48:53.224)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (49:03.732)
We would, yeah, no, we would have to have a serious PR campaign about education on, this, I'm sure, but match play isn't hard to decide some of this point stuff and like, you know, then they're going to play stroke play. Yeah.
The Professor (49:03.74)
But I love it from a golf format. This is fun. This is phenomenal.
The Professor (49:18.93)
And just a different, yeah. best, whatever, keep her, keep running. All right. We're doing the summit. We're down the six. We're at 16 people.
Matt Considine (49:25.262)
All right, we're at 16 and now we're going to a new location, new week. Maybe there's a week in between, build the hype game, media, all that stuff. And we're going to go to the championship, the finals.
The Professor (49:35.506)
Because we do have a month or plus to run this. We think about the current playoffs, like, it's okay to have this phased process because they already do that. So love it if anybody was thinking like, well, this is a long time. No, that's how playoffs work.
Matt Considine (49:44.088)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (49:48.726)
Yeah. So this, this schedule is a, I worked out a Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. four days and we're going match play with, we're modified match play. there's some flyers in here. I'll start with match play.
The Professor (50:02.225)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (50:09.746)
We like, you get to throw every match as we're going with the Flyers, like mulligan it per match or what are we doing here?
Matt Considine (50:15.086)
no, there's, I maybe I'll end with some, some, ideas I have for that, but, one particular modification because, this stems from the way I thought about this is I think match play is the only golf format. It's the original golf format. So let's get back to that. Let's understand that this game was best intended to be played in a match. And so, I think it's, it works great for the betting.
The Professor (50:33.606)
Yeah, that's I agree.
The Professor (50:39.314)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (50:44.98)
audience right i know that's a big part of these decisions now with these executives and there's gonna be a ton of gambling on this this whole thing all the way through more so than i think stroke play allows 72 that doesn't get me excited but when if you want me to pick i got a feeling about you know i don't know i'm trying to think of some some randos here but our guy davis thompson i got a feeling about davis thompson over
Harris English, I just could I just feel it that I think you're gonna get a lot of vetting action but When you hear about why the PGA championship didn't return to match play why they got rid of the Accenture what what's the deal with this stuff even though You know, it's TV audience The executives and their sponsors, you know the ones that toss the cash for these things to happen they hate match play because they the
with so many meaningful shots, I think this is on the TV side, when there's so many meaningful shots, like a playoff baseball game, but yet you have four groups out there, all these different matches, to follow it can be difficult, but also showing it becomes difficult. So correctly televising, but everything has come so far in that regard, the way the masters does things, like you should be able to have an option, whatever screen you're watching, that you get to watch.
The Professor (51:58.675)
showing it becomes very difficult.
Matt Considine (52:12.674)
that particular match and get a one minute synopsis. If you're late, if you're tuning in at three, but they teed off at noon, you can do a one minute synopsis of every back and forth shot of where the blood was drawn and everything like that would get you up to speed. You're right there with them. Now you're in the match. Now the strategy is playing out.
The Professor (52:30.076)
We need a PGA red zone is what we need.
Matt Considine (52:33.548)
Yeah, for sure. And just quickly understanding the context of a match, the match becomes intoxicating to watch. You're now right there with him. seeing the pressure that's shifted, the momentum that shifted. It's just televising it is brutally difficult. You know where I learned this, Kevin, was being the rules official for our new club club championships and watching these matches unfold and seeing directly, I was like, this is entertaining as hell. Like this should be...
The Professor (52:41.999)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (53:02.578)
And YouTube golf to some degree does that. There's a lot of those are match play type things, but anyways, it's hard to televise it. And I think we have ways around that now with technology. Number two, if a match is a blowout, they have all this air time to kill and nobody's watching cause the match is over. see if the stars get ejected, which they do more often in. Actually, it's not fair to say more often. It's just if Rory is four under and the leader's 10 under, they can still show Rory.
If Rory gets knocked out, they can't show Rory. Yes.
The Professor (53:34.47)
black and white in terms of match play where you lose the ability to cut to a star at one over hitting a great shot or missing a putt and showing their frustration. You lose a few of those examples.
Matt Considine (53:41.24)
Bingo.
Matt Considine (53:45.848)
So some of these suggestions for my championship are trying to address those so that the money stays with us. Okay. So keep that in mind. It's not about necessarily. I would be, I would be fine with some straight up match play at this point because, and there is so 16, the round of 16 play as many holes as you feel is appropriate. I, could just be an 18 hole match. could say it's a 36 hole match, but you're going down from 16 to eight on Thursday.
The Professor (53:53.84)
Yeah. I won't be thinking about that, but.
Matt Considine (54:15.736)
You're going down from eight to four on Saturday. And so you have for the weekend. And this is where the executives have always said, you can't do just four players. It's not enough. It's you got to kill airtime. You got to, you know, matches end early. But here's what I, what I'm thinking. And this comes directly from the, Indian India, premier league cricket. So the way they do their final four, they do.
The Professor (54:18.962)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (54:41.575)
Mm-hmm.
Matt Considine (54:44.674)
they get to this point and they got four teams left is the, they call them qualifiers. So qualifier one, the first ranked player and the second ranked player would play each other. So it's not one verse four and three or it's not. So the bracket just went away and I think you could do this on world ranking actually again, make it matter even more. Yeah. So that's a theme, I guess, through all three of these, the
The Professor (55:00.434)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (55:07.76)
Yeah, go back to run. Sure.
Matt Considine (55:13.41)
first and second player play and qualify one, the winner moves on to the final final, the final match. So this is in the morning on Saturday's way I have this. three and four play in the morning on Saturday as well. And the loser gets eliminated. They're gone. They're gone from.
The Professor (55:19.25)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (55:31.526)
and then winner is going to have to play the loser of the... Yeah, we're going double elimination.
Matt Considine (55:34.894)
Correct. the, yeah. So that, so say it's the one and two ranked players in the world, one beats two, two now has to go and play the winner of three, four in what's called qualifier two. And yeah. And so they play, so that group has to play two matches on Saturday and then Sunday is just head to head. Yeah. The winners of those two qualifiers.
The Professor (55:48.238)
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, and winner goes to the...
Matt Considine (56:03.886)
playing on Sunday, but here's, okay. So that's the structure. Here's my amendment to the rules of golf.
They play every hole is worth a point, which that's true of match play, right? Every hole is worth a point. But what if we juiced the last three holes? What if 16 and 17 and this you're the math guy. So you would have to tell me how these points will work out. But that's why I loved, you know, this is very similar to back to our semi finals where you still have to play out.
The Professor (56:27.451)
Mmm.
Matt Considine (56:42.956)
the match because of the potential of winning your group and blah, blah. But what if 16 and 17 are worth two points and 18 is worth three?
The Professor (56:53.05)
Mm-hmm. So kind of what we call a little cash alley in the in couple games I play low cash alley where you
Matt Considine (56:56.876)
Look, look, cash alley. Plus hear me out. don't know how you feel about this. Plus, and you know, this rule comes from the Savannah bananas.
The Professor (57:01.776)
You're getting throw convoluted now.
The Professor (57:08.111)
By the way, the Scots with match play are like, you don't get match play at all right now. If you're making it this convoluted, like you have now weaponized our match play system with the American version of it is what you've done.
Matt Considine (57:12.598)
I'm pissing off.
Matt Considine (57:21.197)
Sincerest sincerest apologies to old Tom and his family that are listening but 18 is worth three points plus Every stroke I beat you by is an additional point Okay, all right, okay, I know I know I
The Professor (57:33.458)
I'm out on that. You're like you've ruined match play. I'm out on that I'm with you on the other ones like you've now You said match play is the best form, but you've made it about stroke play. You just you made it Because you've made a non match play anymore. You've now made it stroke play by doing that So I'm out on that one. You gotta
Matt Considine (57:42.382)
I knew that you'd react this way, that's why I waited.
Yeah. Okay. All right. I, I, you could talk me off of this, this ledge, but let me give you a scenario. Okay. And this is, but again, this is to address the executive concern of just like when it's over on 14, man, we lose millions of dollars. Like we need this group to get to 17, 18, or else this financially is, is not better than 72 whole stroke play. And we can say all day, we want to put the fan first. That's what everybody wants to say that that
The Professor (57:58.737)
Yeah.
The Professor (58:08.056)
and have it matter, yeah.
Matt Considine (58:18.134)
you know, if match play is the thing that we can televise correctly and it's just a better product, it should win in the end. But I'm kind of being more a realist of like, all right, how do you keep these matches going till the end? Well, and I'll just do, I did a bunch of scenarios here, cause I'm not as good at math as you, so I'm just gonna do one. I have you six points down through 15.
The Professor (58:24.977)
Yeah.
The Professor (58:39.096)
Mm-hmm. And I could win each hole by a stroke coming in and get back and win the match.
Matt Considine (58:43.982)
Yeah, let's say it's, let's say it's in this scenario, let's say it's a, a short par five, a long par three and a short par four. Um, 16, you make three, you make Eagle and I make par that's a four point swing. So now you're only two points down on 17. You make a two and I make a three, three points. Uh, you are, you're now one up. just flipped the match and then on 18 you make three and I make four.
The Professor (59:10.802)
That's right.
Matt Considine (59:13.73)
That's three more points. win five up, but you, you know, you win. And, and so that would be pretty, exciting, but I get your point. Now we're just kind of bastardizing the, the great system of match.
The Professor (59:25.01)
I think for TV though, like that is fantastic viewing, right? Like, there's like, you choose the right golf courses where those holes at the end have hazards are more match play style holes where we can get big variance and score. Cause like, yeah, like, okay, you win by two in the last hole. It could be a six point swing. Like.
Matt Considine (59:29.474)
Yeah, cause like-
Matt Considine (59:40.013)
Right.
Matt Considine (59:44.428)
Yeah. think North Berrics are last drivable four, you know, to finish. Yeah.
The Professor (59:48.474)
or 18th at Bay Hill, right? Like just anything where like disasters and birdies can happen.
Matt Considine (59:55.32)
We remember Vandeveld for a lifetime. And if those are still looming, that adds a lot of stress for the, yeah.
The Professor (59:58.46)
That's right.
The Professor (01:00:03.41)
I'll think of the TV that could occur in that like a guy with a huge lead just makes double at the end or someone Eagles it. It could be fantastic. Fantastic memories. It would create memories is what it would do.
Matt Considine (01:00:15.288)
So do you know where...
So I listened to a great interview with the Savannah bananas founder and just there, you know, don't be tied to the archaic rules of baseball. Like what would make it just more fun and more engaging for an audience? And so what he did was you win innings. He took that from match play, by the way, his dad was a massive golfer and he's like, well, my dad always plays these matches and, and you win innings. that's how they,
The Professor (01:00:29.298)
That's right.
The Professor (01:00:33.426)
I
The Professor (01:00:44.262)
You win it, Ains.
Matt Considine (01:00:47.584)
flipped it for Savannah bananas. But then in the last, I think it's the last inning only, maybe. Yeah, the last inning only every run is a point versus every other time you only win one point for the inning. So that's where I got this whole like the stroke differential becomes the point. can't really do, it's different in golf, but anyways, that could potentially do it. And then,
The Professor (01:00:52.826)
I think it's awesome.
The Professor (01:00:58.162)
That's right.
Matt Considine (01:01:14.19)
There you have it. And so on Sunday you get your final two guys going head to head in the same, you know, keep that structure if you want, but
The Professor (01:01:23.162)
And you're ensuring it comes down to the end then with every match too, which is the beauty of that. Like we know every match like it's going to play all the holes out. So the TV windows guaranteed, which is a huge piece of that.
Matt Considine (01:01:34.098)
I was trying to think of, I was trying to think of how with that point system of like two, two, three, plus the stroke differential, possibilities of like only Steven Ames would not be making it to 16. You know, it's that type of scenario that you would need to have for that not to happen. And so, I don't know. I felt like it alleviated something.
The Professor (01:01:48.592)
Yeah.
The Professor (01:01:56.019)
Yeah, I think every match is going to the final hold on. Like, it's just going to make it work.
Matt Considine (01:02:01.826)
So your main criticism is that for my quarterfinal, semi-final finals, we're going to have to have a pylon of instructions on the right hand side as you're watching.
The Professor (01:02:11.078)
This is the whole explaining like, okay, what is this playoff format? Well, we do this and then we do this. mean, we're, think we're 32 minutes in now. So I think, I think it just, it's a convoluted, I mean, not that mine's going to be any better, but it's the.
Matt Considine (01:02:20.567)
shit, okay, yeah. It needs to be.
Matt Considine (01:02:28.43)
ChatGPT, can you please refine and shorten this?
The Professor (01:02:32.806)
To, I guess this is a great, to be empathetic to the organizations out there. This is just illustrating how hard it is to create a compelling playoff environment that just doesn't follow the things that we already know. Because this is an incredibly compelling playoff format, but then it's convoluted and explaining it to the fans so they understand it. That becomes a difficult thing.
Matt Considine (01:02:53.152)
And I think it should be said to the, there's a number of forces and stakeholders that are trying to be appeased and it's not possible. You can't make all the sponsors super over the moon happy. You can't make all the fans over the moon happy and you certainly can't make all the players over the moon happy and
The Professor (01:03:02.951)
No.
The Professor (01:03:11.154)
That's right.
Matt Considine (01:03:23.286)
We know they've defaulted to one of those groups most often as a player run organization, the PGA tour that is now the other groups, you know, they all talk about the fan, but it, the constant search for a better solution, all these changes is just evidence that we're, we're not there. So blow it up, start again, try something new.
The Professor (01:03:29.778)
I
The Professor (01:03:51.526)
That's right. That's right.
Matt Considine (01:03:53.262)
Alright, do you guys have some others?
The Professor (01:03:54.931)
Yeah, I do. I'll make mine. I got one just quick hit like in a current format, man. If we could take like the top 10 from the FedEx Cup playoffs, you know, at the end of it and then put it, maybe the top eight and then put it against the top two eight teams from live. And we just had an event where they're it's team versus team. So we get this very individualistic form, right? Like that team that emerges from that versus the team that emerges from the team form and they got to play each other and like some big
You know, live versus tour thing. mean, not that I'm trying to prop up live or anything like that, but man, like that would be appointment viewing. And I think everybody in the golf world would turn that on and watch it. Be like a little NWO versus WWE sort of stuff.
Matt Considine (01:04:31.628)
Happy Gilmore too.
Matt Considine (01:04:35.938)
I was going to, I was going to ask you that. Do you think Eastern conference, Western conference, American league, national league, NWO, WWE, like do those structures where it's split, do those add appeal?
The Professor (01:04:46.575)
WWE, yeah.
The Professor (01:04:52.72)
I think they do a little bit. I don't think it's substantial, but I think there's a little bit of appeal to it. That's where like, you know, when baseball went in your league, it's like, was that the actual right decision? It was good as a fan for regular season. And that was awesome at the beginning, but I think now that's run its course. Nobody's like, it's interleague play time. don't talk about interleague play time. Like we did in the first five years of it. But you do get to see other teams more often as a fan, which is cool. like it did, I think dilute the playoffs being like.
baseball used to be very much American league versus national league. like it was like, like, and so when you got to the world series, it was an event on that. think baseball diluted that I get the short-term decision-making. think that's one of those so often in business, you know, the short-term gains are looked at, not thinking on a 20 to 50 year scale. And I think this is one of those cases where like they had a huge short-term gain and that was predictable.
Matt Considine (01:05:24.216)
For sure. Different rules even. I it still is.
The Professor (01:05:46.067)
And they did not have the foresight to see like, on a 50 year scale though, we're diluting our game and it's going to cost us. Like we are actually costing us profits in the long run. They jumped on that Hampshire wheel. Well, okay. 10 years later, we got to do something else new. Like what do we do now? 10 years later, we got to do something else new rather than being like, Hey, let's go with the Warren Buffett, just sustain growth model and stick with that rather than like every quarter needs to be an increased mindset that we've moved into in business. Um, but okay. So like,
Matt Considine (01:05:59.084)
Yeah.
The Professor (01:06:15.858)
All right. Putting that aside in terms of champion versus champion from each league. Like I got to go match play. It's going to be long, long for match play. I I'm not getting into details. Is it 64 or is it like we go, we could go to group play like lots of different formats we could do here. I would definitely, if I'm going to would pen down something, it would be probably group play going into a bracket. But here's where I want to get creative head to head matches for sure.
I'm borrowing from, okay, like seven game series, right? Like multiple, you know, multiple events. Like you win one, you know, it's three to two or whatever. So we're going to borrow from that. We're borrowing from cricket, long form cricket, cricket matches last over a week, month, sometimes a month, right? So we're going to borrow from that as well. Head to head matches that say me and you square off. Again, the details don't matter that much. Maybe it's a best out of five.
Maybe it's a best out of seven match round. 18 holes, we, I kind of like your idea of carrying over points. Like if I won the first 18 holes, two up, I'll go into the next 18 holes, two up. Now we run to the case. So like that last one, maybe that is just so a win. So I get one point there. go either way with that, but let's say, you know, let's say it's best out of five, but here's the cool thing based on world ranking. I'm going to borrow your world ranking idea. We're playing multiple courses. We're playing. I get the pick.
my courses or course, and you get to pick your courses or a course. So little home course advantage again, and I'm going to allow, I'm not thinking about TV right now. Um, I'm going to allow, I just came up with this on the spot. Originally it was just, have my home course. You have your home course. That's where we're going to, and I can choose any I'll go. Maybe I could choose multiple too. So let's say I get, I'm the home course person. I get to choose three different courses. You get to choose to we sag, stagger it out. And that's how the match play plays out. And now.
Matt Considine (01:07:47.15)
Sick.
The Professor (01:08:11.406)
all these matches are going, I'm thinking, okay, now scheduling and presentation becomes important. These TV companies are making a ton of money. So I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna buy the like, it's too, it's not, it's cost prohibitive to have events going on in multiple courses at the same time. No, like you can afford this. And so you're running them still in the same day as they're occurring at different places. And now I think in terms of production and match play, you can tell this story more because you were playing me.
on a certain course. So X person's playing another person on X course. So these are independent events going on, right? Where like we're able to bring in the great storytellers of the era, the Mike Tricos and all that. And as we're moving, we might stick with a match for a few holes, right? And then we're going to move to another match over in
Matt Considine (01:08:46.69)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (01:09:00.364)
Yeah, out in Colorado, our third semi final match is getting started. Let's kick it over to, you know, Jim Nance.
The Professor (01:09:07.89)
Let's kick it over there. Right. And like they can do a recap of the previous Matt two matches, you know, game one and game two, what happened there? The heartbreak that occurred like, you know, you, you know, Kevin missed a, a three footer on 18 to extend the extended matching, an extra playoff hole. And now he's got to come up on his home course and he's teeing off trying to get that, that wind back, know, and, even, you know, take the two one lead or something like that. And this, so we're going to, we're just going to combine those together and that's going to do, but I think the real feature there is for me.
the home courses, like just having these matches like, like not even like PJ tour, like maybe like, Hey, JT wants to go to pan panther national, right? Like that's where we're going to do this. So we're showcasing showcasing courses. There's easy TV filler time, ad sales, all that sort of stuff is where I'm going with that.
Matt Considine (01:09:39.885)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (01:09:47.598)
Yeah
Matt Considine (01:09:59.278)
Yeah. How would you address the, so if it's a seven, best of seven series, cause that's got the appeal of the major sports. Um, you got travel day in the middle, but how would you get seven days of golf? you ever do a 36 hole match? Uh, or, know, two matches in one day or, or do you just stretch it out? Or do you do like, I mean, what, happens with the NBA playoffs? feel like there's two, three days in between each match.
The Professor (01:10:20.134)
Yeah, like I would think.
The Professor (01:10:26.477)
They're, they last think the NBA playoffs, they start in April, right? Don't they start, they start in April and go through June. I think that's a two month window. All right. So that's what I'm thinking. Like we're running in a two month window here. I'm not thinking a lot of golfers are getting into this too. We're not going to, know, 64 or whatever. I'm very much on the like, Hey, at end of the golf year, we can look at that list that's making the FedEx cup and you can kind of stop once you get past probably somewhere between 10 and 20. You're like, okay, everybody else after this, you, you played well, but
That's all you did. You played well. You weren't like, you weren't elite. So we're only going to pull 16 guys into this or so. And unless we want to do group play, that's where I would be open to a group play. You know, we're jumping around early on lots of matches flying, you know, across the country and these guys will have to suck.
Matt Considine (01:11:10.416)
A group play into this idea would be sick.
The Professor (01:11:13.01)
Yeah. And then you move into, we've got 16 guys. That's where I think I do like just one course. They choose their home course. That's where that helps the TV out. They can plan around those courses. A lot of on the ground cameras, right? People with cameras on their shoulders relying on that. out, no laying up guys. think they're the ones that really dig into like, okay, CBS has gotten better at moving away from the tower cam and moving into ground cams, drone cams, and alternative views where like NBC is just like.
We're going to stick with the tower game and that was terrible for what event that we have.
Matt Considine (01:11:47.534)
I'll sneak this in while you're thinking about that. Port Rush was awful. It was terrible.
The Professor (01:11:49.393)
It was the open we can port rush. couldn't see you couldn't see any of the contours because they use a tower cam on everything like sorry, quick shot at them like honor the freaking game. Honor the game like you're at port rush when the best golf courses are real and you're that lazy to not show off the golf course honor the game. The worldview was great.
Matt Considine (01:11:58.766)
We said we wouldn't, but we are.
Matt Considine (01:12:08.013)
Well, sometimes Kevin, sometimes constraints, like we talk about this in, in business, Mark and I a lot with just, uh, adaptation and trying to improve things. Sometimes constraints actually will allow for the breakthrough. like, I'll give you an example, the handheld, right? The semi steady cams that, you know, someone who's chasing a group, uh, the, the women's amateur out at band and dunes. I'm obviously tuning in cause I love band and, and
The Professor (01:12:23.634)
The innovation comes.
The Professor (01:12:28.902)
Yeah, yeah, all of it.
Matt Considine (01:12:38.024)
And, they, you can just tell they didn't have the budget that port rush did. So there's no cranes, there's no aerial, but they, it seemed to me just had cameras following these groups. And so you're able to see these ridiculous contours that the girls are trying to pull off. And, I was like, wait a second, is this just a constraint thing? Like, do you just need to remove more cameras or remove more resources? And then they're just stuck with.
The Professor (01:12:42.61)
Mm-hmm.
The Professor (01:13:00.69)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (01:13:05.397)
Alright, there's our cameraman running to the tee to get the next shot.
The Professor (01:13:09.83)
Yeah, I think you got a point there. Like the tower technology that came along was pivotal at some point in getting golf on TV and doing it. I think now we're past that. If you move to more constrained view, we have the technologies to do great footage from the ground and movement as well and relying on the, I mean, skill sets that are out there to shoot the golf game of golf from the ground. And then we get to see showcase our home courses, right? Like they're at their home. I mean, you get them talking about their home place. There's all sorts of different
you know, creative television that could be done because of the style that's being being played now. Get the variable conditions of home courses. So none of this like tour bunkers, tour speeds, like the player can tweak their own course, right? They can talk like talk to their super like, what do want to do? Where do we want to put the pins? Like, let it be very player controlled at the course level as well. Like what tease do I want? Like the player controls all that because then that's more content like they can sit down with a player and interview them like, Hey,
What would you go through and set up the course? Like, why did you do it? What are you going with? Like, what do think about that whole like they can talk about all that. I think you'd get this like really, you get the golfer from the golfer.
Matt Considine (01:14:16.482)
Yeah. I mean, that's what you have with absolutely pull out the real golfiness of it. And the, you have that with the rider cup too, right? The home course stuff, the setup, the, the why behind it. I was going to say my, my last comment on yours is it's simpler than mine, which I expected, you know, simplicity is, heard a great quote. So simplicity is usually the answer, right? Like just.
The Professor (01:14:36.99)
What?
Matt Considine (01:14:46.51)
boil it down to its basics and you got it. But I will say, I think.
The Professor (01:14:49.99)
Well, to be fair, I wasn't being real intellectual. didn't spend a lot of time thinking about it, or I would have probably done.
Matt Considine (01:14:53.75)
Well, and I think that's the lesson here, right? You can, you can think on your own or talk to jet chat, chat, GPT all day long. Sometimes the answer is just right in front of you. but I was going to say the, seven game series or the five game series and having home in a way lends itself just so perfectly for team golf. And as.
You know, I'm a big compo. I think it's going to win. do think that we're going to end up with franchises and we're going to be in that world for professional golf, whether there's a merger or not. But I think your idea is kind of the, the, the aha. Like just think about that, right? These, if it is, if it is teams and it is all the best players in the world, think about the conversations on strategy going from, all right, they put out, you know, decide how you want to do the pairings, but.
They put out these two guys in their all shot group and they let Rory play solo, but Rory got dusted by so-and-so. Are they going to do that again away or are they going to put Rory in the four ball match and they're going to put them and like the strategy of that? I mean, we talk, we've been talking nine months about Ryder Cup strategy. Think about the direct, you know, consolidate that into three days of man, their game plan really backfired at home. What are they going to do away on that on a different golf course?
The Professor (01:16:04.752)
Yeah.
Matt Considine (01:16:20.212)
on a different, I mean, there'll be hundreds more podcasts talking about that, right? It's, I think you're onto something there.
The Professor (01:16:26.16)
And think, and think of like the win that happens in game three, right? Like so Rory cashes a putt from 35 feet or Bryson, you know, jars an eight iron and gets the flips the match and wins it. And now they got to sleep like, like sleep all night and they got to come back the next, like all that energy, like got the win. And then you got to like start from scratch that next one and just all the narrative that could be done around that.
Matt Considine (01:16:43.534)
and they gotta travel.
The Professor (01:16:54.546)
I think of like Tiger at Torrey Pines when the, you when he won the open that Saturday round he played in this format, it would have even more meaning because that would have been to win a point, not just to like saying in a term, those Eagles he made down the 13 and 18, Like, wouldn't it have just been like, oh, look, he's in this tournament and been like, he dug that match out of the grave and won that game to extend the series and get it to Sunday. Now he has to come back.
like the energy that could create where you'd have these, you know, every 18 holes would matter or whatever the 16th hole of the match ended there. Like it would have that definitive moment of like, but we get to come back tomorrow too. so I think that would be, could be a cool feature. Yeah.
Matt Considine (01:17:36.014)
Yeah, yeah. There you have it. I think we did some good today, professor. I think we fixed the professional world of golf. You're welcome everyone at the PGA Tour headquarters, everybody over at Live Golf. We're here. If you have any questions, bagdrop at newclub.golf.
The Professor (01:17:50.276)
Wait for our checks in the mail.
The Professor (01:17:54.79)
Backdrop or the backdrop? Like backdrop at New Club Bell Golf.
Matt Considine (01:17:57.442)
Bag drop, baby. Bag drop. Know the. That new club. Know that. And thanks to everybody for listening. We I forgot to shout out some new members. They're fast and furious. got Atlanta and Chicago folks. James Nelson, Christopher Wallen, Nick Scarpino, Joshua Collins, Daniel Goggin, Matt Donahay. Welcome to the club. Tommy Pfeiffer.
our only national member in that mix. A bunch in Chicago, a bunch in Atlanta. Welcome to the club, guys. If you like what you heard about playoffs, good luck at our club championship this year. Go fire it up. We do, it's pretty straightforward. It's stroke play into match play. They don't let me touch that anymore with these silly ideas. It's stroke play. If you're in the top 16, you're going to match play and go win your matches. Just so excited for those guys to be part of the club.
And thanks to our partners at Titleist. got our T-Series fitting coming up for our members out in California and so many others coming down the line with new releases from our friends at Titleist. Check out the all new T-Series irons over at Titleist.com. Professor, see you in the championship, bud.