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“Manly” Convos is a brand that distigmatises men expressing emotions, being vulnerable, showing love and taking steps to work on their mental health. Through conversations with men who have experienced the transformative power of therapy, we aim to help men feel comfortable and open about their journey.
Corey Cummins (00:00)
All right. Hey everyone. Thanks for joining Manly Combos. If you've actually never listened to it before, I'll give you kind of a quick background into who we are what we do. I'm Corey Cummins, the founder. And we started this to destigmatize men's mental health. And we do this in a couple of ways. The goal is to have conversations with men who have gone to therapy or have their own mental health journey. We talked to mental health professionals about specific topics. And then we also talked to nonprofits and people who have men's groups.
to kind of shed light on these different things out there that you can use to kind of go through your journey.
So today I'm really happy we have, in fact, I should have asked, how do you even say your name? it Reese? Yeah, it's Reese. Yeah. Some people could pronounce it right. yeah. I thought it was Reese. But, so no, today we're really lucky. have Reese on, on, on mainly combos, and this is going to be kind of a two -part conversation. So one is going to be talking about his journey into mental health, but then also he started an amazing program called the brotherhood Legion that I wanted to bring light to. I wanted to talk to you about it.
Let's just start. So, would you mind giving a little background on yourself and who you are and where you're from and everything like that? Yes. So as we just said, my name is Reece. So, Reece Craig, Michael Lofters. I'm 33 years old. You know, I'm from the UK in the Midlands, a place called Leicester City. You know, I'm a professional dancer, which I've done most of my life. And enjoying lockdown, I've changed in the past few years into a personal trainer and a coach, which has brought about also the...
Men's Better Health Group, the award -winning focus group for men that we have now in the Midlands. You know, I'm a human being, a man, ex addict in a sense as well, substance abuser. And, you know, now there's Dream Chaser Motivator and a man that's trying to inspire and change in this community. Amazing. So what kind of started your journey into, you know, mental health or, you know, we're kind of really trying to figure things out. What kind of was the impetus behind it? Well, the shift came in lockdown.
You know, was coming out of being a performer, we was all in a bit of a sticky situation during lockdown, kind of evaluating my future, you know, with certain statements as well that came out during lockdown about retraining, and getting different trades, performers with performers, and different other complications as well that went side by side with, you know, the body anatomy and being in control of the decisions, I put inside it as
So, you know, I decided to make certain decisions for my own sake, decided not to take the vaccine, which was quite heavily being used in all the dancing jobs at the minute. And I thought, how do I take more responsibility, more accountability and move into a different industry? And that's when I started becoming a personal trainer. And I took four lads and we did a little program whilst we was in lockdown, but I'm a magnet.
come from a place of poverty. I'm a man that knows many people of different flavors, different colors, they come from different levels of society. I've watched a lot of people go through a lot of stuff. I've been through a lot of stuff myself. You know, before you get into the circle of mental health or before we started talking about it, realistically, we all battle with our mental health every day. So when I started getting into the business, it's a point of looking back and reflecting on how my life's been and then trying to
some of the experiences and some of the situations where I've, you know, mentally been broken and then trying to use them to help people out of them same situations. So, you know, I've been in and out of drug abuse since I was a child. Well, since I was, you know, a young teen, 13 and 14, you know, I struggled a lot as, you know, as a young teen and then into my early 20s, you know, I've had heartbreak, I've fell into depression.
You know, I used to be in trouble with the law. There's all these things that contribute to having a poor mental well -being. So life, always, you know, I've always been going through mental health struggles, but at the same time, you know, I've always found a certain resilience in there and having my last job as a performer really helped as well. yeah, I really got into the space after lockdown, but you like you, like everybody, I've been dealing with mental health.
My whole life. No, I really appreciate that. And one thing that you said that I think you said if I had a, you've mentally been, you know, kind of broken down. If you don't mind me asking, I guess, what were some of those points where you say you were broken down? Like what caused that to happen? you know, what drug abuse will do that, you know, continuously using drugs to fuel some sort of social engagement, some sort of escapism. I remember I used to, you know, I used to, as a child, I from an estate, which is full
people that are thieves, that crooks, that are drug dealers. So, I also followed the environment. When I was a child, I used to steal a lot, used to shoplift a lot and stuff. then, so used to find myself in some really bad situations, but one of the battles I remember having is going away when I was a teen and doing a job as a performer and coming back and then being in trouble with the law, being arrested.
for theft and drugs. finding myself that I was going to lose everything because of these patterns and these behaviors that I had as a child. I was going to lose everything that was going to change my life. Further on into my 20s, I've also found myself many times in my bed, losing my mind, talking to myself in many different voices, in a state of drug psychosis, because I've not slept for days and I've got work tomorrow.
and I'm really trying to get sleep and now I'm in a combative state with myself and I'm just having these detachments from who I am and then I'm self -destructing and losing my own sanity in a sense. So they're parts but you go backwards and forwards all the time. You think you're wasting your life and you find yourself in these really dark places.
But most of it had been built around drug abuse. when I was, when, yeah, throughout my early teens and then into my late twenties. No, I appreciate you kind of talking, talking us through that. And so how did you, how did you make the step into kind of wanting to figure things out? Like mine was my, my mom went through cancer for three years and I wash or die. And that, that was my impetus and going in it. And then I've had other reasons, whether it was, you
having bad relationships where you break up or work stuff, or I've had some male friends take their own lives and things like that. there's been different reasons why I've gone. So how did you, I guess, how did you kind of take your step into it? It slowly happened. I slowly started to want to better myself. then through being sick of my own actions or coming to the realization of I don't change, then I'm destined
destruction and you know, failure and letting everybody down as well. know, where I come from is, you know, is place of poverty in Leicester. It's not as bad as it used to be, but I got a full scholarship into a private arts college. was a very similar story to the Billy Elliot story. So, you know, a lot of people are very proud of me. My community paid for my gear. So, you know, there's always been
kind of an inkling, well there was that, you know, that if I'm going to, I end up back there, I'm a total disgrace. I've wasted all this opportunity. I've wasted, you know, all this time and effort that people have put into me or people in this place, you know, me trying to better myself and be an example, I've thrown it all away. And, you know, I always felt shame of that. So I was like, if I
If I don't do something now, I don't get out of this environment, if I don't try and make some change, if I don't take accountability for these drugs, don't take accountability for these debts, I'm never gonna evolve in life. And then I'm gonna be that same geezer that's back in the estate doing nothing with himself, chasing his tail, saying, I could, I woulda. And that there is a big motivation for me to change.
You know, having people, you know, I've had loads of friends that have suicide. I know a young man that just committed suicide last month that I worked with, you know, a couple of months before, good friend of mine committed suicide. A man that, you know, another man that I had in my house, you know, a few weeks before, and the man that I was conversing with again. And that's had to repeatedly, I know friendly fans, know, all that's around you constantly. So, all them things are motivators.
All the conversations I have with people on a daily basis are motivators. So that was kind of the shift. Me just wanting better for myself and then also not wanting to fall back into a place which is not worth me. I can do better, so I need to do better.
I deserve to do it for the other people around me as well and for my family. I always think about if I'm going to create a family in the future, what sort of man do I want to be? Do I want to be this version of me that is lost and constantly abusing drugs and doesn't have any direction or doesn't have any really motivation and productivity or do I want to be able to bring up a nice family in a supported, safe environment and raise kids in a way that, you know, in a sense that, you
Yeah, be the father that maybe would have made me probably a little bit more better. You know what I mean? No, definitely. I really appreciate that. And yeah, I can. First off, I can't dance. So that's impressive that you got a full scholarship for performing arts. What type of, you know, let me ask, what type of dance do you do? I'm trained in everything now. So I'm trained in all the classical styles. But when I first started, I was a body pop art and I used to dance for a local.
troop from Leso called the ER crew, is like, they do like local West End, but we used to do the carnival. we used to, it's been like so called bashmen. yeah. But Caribbean dances styles. wish I could dance, but yeah, maybe very popular. And so with, with all that, I really appreciate that, you know, that's really impressive that you were able to realize that, you know, you needed to kind of take a step to do it. So what, what did you do to actually
working on a teacher, you're doing counselling or therapy or like, was your process to kind of go on your journey? Some of the shifts, I remember when I was in college and I was only a young lad, I believe I was 17, I was in college. And I remember, you know, was, my energy was all over the place. You know, I very important, I'm always impulsive, but I was very impulsive.
I remember my teacher giving me a book called The Secret. You've probably heard of it. It's quite a popular book. The Secret Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment. It talks about law of attraction, talks about energy transfers, and it talks about energy, really, and how we perceive energy and how our energy affects each other. I remember when I got that book, and was kind of a pinnacle moment for me on learning how to use my mind.
to attract certain things, but also be cautious of other things around there. But that was just a little seed that got planted, but that grew over years and years and years. Being a dancer, you've got to understand, I was living out my passion. I was living out my dream. So I would go away from these places, these environments that were heavily drug -infused, and I would travel the world on cruise ships and work in prestigious hotels. And I would just do this incredible thing that filled my soul with gold.
and then I would come back to them environments and anybody will know that it's going through any sort of addiction problems or anyone that's gone through any sort of battle. If you're in a toxic environment, it is extremely difficult to beat the environment. So I was very lucky to go backwards and forwards. So was allowed to collect myself, collect my thoughts, kind of build on myself and then come back and I would always fall back into it for a long, time. But there were just pinnacle points as I got older, there was like, I was in a house.
when I was doing one job and it was drug -fueled and they were just drinking every night, there was just drugs every night. I'd go work, I'd come back, the party would still be going on and I lived in there for about six months but until the point where I was like, you know, I'm going to work, I'm putting my own life at danger because I've had no sleep, I'm dancing, I'm jumping up the stages, I'm putting other people's lives in danger and I to move out of house. So there was a, you know, there's a quick flicker of the sensibility and you're like, okay, I need to move out of this house. And then, you know, there was a time when...
you know, I'm getting all the letters for the debts and then my mom's ringing me up and then you go, the penny drops and you go, I need to take accountability for this. And then you go, okay, I just to start paying it. And you know, so it's these tiny little bits in my life where I had big shifts where I'm like, okay, then now I need to grow up. Now I need to start making better decisions. Like now I need to take responsibility for this thing because it's not going away. And if I don't sort it out now, then it's just going to pile up and get worse and worse and worse and grow into something that.
I just can't control. And that was the same with the drugs and the same with the money and stuff. I had to detach myself away from all them things. If it was people or if it was places, which becomes every isolating, becomes very lonely. And then I'd go away, come back and then slowly stop, you know, pushing myself away from all these places to the point where you're just on your own all the time. But then that's the place where you go, actually, okay, then well now I can start healing a little bit more. And
once you get off all the gear and get away from all the places, all the people that are bringing out the worst in you, you can learn to grow some sort of structure, some sort of stability and then grow some techniques. A lot of affirmation work for me, a lot of meditation, a lot of movement and a lot of self coaching through, I'm obsessed with little short clips of Les Brown, it's, what is
It is all these big talkers and all these big, night girl, all these old coaches and life coaches that I've got on my phone. And I just used to wake up and listen to them all the day or day. And I've always had, you know, my mind expanded when I got into college. You got to think this kid's come from the council estate. He didn't know where he was going in his life. He was given this opportunity from a beautiful woman, an angel called Diane Ford on the street. She offered me the place, took taking kids at disadvantaged areas.
And then I was in this private college like it was a movie. And then I was on a cruise ship after I graduated from there. Everything, my mind was just going, opening up, opening up. I'm capable of so much more. I can do so much more. I can create so much better for myself. And the problem is with a lot of us in life and know, capsule estates or disadvantaged areas, we have such a small mindset or a self -belief system that we never strive to get on. So
I've been given that already through my experiences as a dancer. So now coming out of it, when I'm creating something else for myself, I'm like, well, actually, if I use my mind right and I direct it in the right direction, I can be unstoppable. If I can believe it and then I can just work for it and I can be consistent and persistent, then I can grow something really unique. And that's exactly what I do. And it's being able to, it's having that faith in yourself.
And that's what's brought about where we are now. No, it's really, it's really impressive that you were able to kind of pull yourself out of it and listen to, you know, self -help or coaching things and really kind of pull yourself out of it. it's got to be really, you really difficult and none of them has that ability. And so, you know, I guess with, with that, some questions that I always like to ask people, there's, there's three, one is, I guess, and it actually is a great segue is, there any books?
or even any of the self -help things that you would recommend for people to read or to listen to? Yeah, so The Secret, because I was dyslexic in school and in college. I'm never a big reader. I didn't stop reading until I left, until I started my PT course, really. But I read that book twice. It was a book that I just had no problem reading, which is The Secret. And then since then, since I've started, because I do read now, I mean, I try and read as much as I can.
The power now, I got told was a really big one as well for being able to come into the present, being able to detach myself away from the mind and actually start questioning my thoughts and then being an observer of the thinker. That one was a game changer. You know, and there's certain clicks of when you are overthinking, you know, bringing yourself back to your senses, your sense of feel, your sense of touch, your sense of hearing, and then, you
Just bringing yourself into the moment is extremely good. Breaking up that pattern in your mind and letting it know that you don't favor that overthinking and that struggle anymore, which is a big one. and then, you know, I've read the Motivation Manifesto by Brendan Burchard as well, which is a really good book. You know, it has some really gold bits in it. And, you know, I'm just starting now. It's called Let Go by David Hawkins, which I've been given
pathway to surrender and I've read other things like what's the other one I read it's someone like don't fuck it's like don't give a fuck or the power not giving a fuck or something like that anyway but it's another book that's like don't don't sweat so you know all the you know there's small stuff and sometimes it is what it is but it's something like that it swears and it swears in the title
And then I've read little books, like there's another one about how to lie with statistics and stuff. That I've seen. to lie with statistics. So like how certain things are perceived in certain ways and how you can actually just, you can make something look totally different by using certain wordings and certain stats, you know, how we cherry pick stuff. yeah, a lot of my books are built around self -help.
I did read one a long time ago as well at My Artie and it was about, it like The Sunshine Kid or something. It was about these kids in Africa that were like gangs and that was really cool as well. My Artie gave me that book but that's the only book that I've read that's about something. The rest of them are quite intact with, you know, self -progression and self -development. That's great. I read a lot of them so, well definitely I'm actually building a directory that's going to be linked to our Instagram that we'll have.
any recommendations of professionals, books or groups like the Brotherhood Legion so people can go to it and kind of see and, you know, hopefully over time it will grow and evolve and people can go and submit stuff on it as well. So I'm about to launch that soon. So these will be added to it. Yeah, wicked. I've got a load here now as well. My other ones here, Ed Gotthold is a new Earth, still new Speaks. Ed Gotthold's great anyway, if you don't know. It is I've read a of his stuff. You've seen him here, the George Orwellian, I'm not aware of it yet, 1984, you probably know that one.
And then so I have the power of now right here on my on my windows like downstairs upstairs. It's right there Yeah, and then a book about sleep breath work and trigger points so That's great. And then if you die tonight, what would you regret not doing? I was talking to the lads about this the other day and the answer is not having a child We were talking about children the other day and about the power of giving
you know, given life and talking about relationships and, you know, we're getting older now. All my friends actually have kids, some of them have two, all my brothers have two, my two brothers have two daughters, they're my younger brothers as well. But because of me traveling so much as a dancer, I never got into a serious relationship. And then, you know, after two years and then, 19, I actually got into a relationship that I thought was, you know, was gonna
something really impactful and really special and then it didn't work out. So that kind of took a big hit on me. And then since then, I've put myself into the work so much that I've kind of started my life again with a new education and a new purpose and being of service to others instead of myself so much. And so now that's taken all my time because it's taken, know, the charity takes a lot of my time.
And the reason it's so successful is because I've just fed it and I've been obsessed with it. now I'm developing my coaching skills, I'm looking to do a life coaching course, but I'm just finishing my GP referral course for my PT. There's just so much going on that I'm struggling to hold down a relationship, but at the same time, I do really want a child. So I'm in a conflict with myself. So it would be a child, yeah. It's funny, I actually had a friend interview
for mainly combos a couple of weeks ago and that's when I said the same thing. So yeah, but I have a feeling I'm older than you. So how old are you? I'm 33.
Yeah, I'm 38. So you got some time. But it's probably why you look so young from all that dancing and physical. And then the last one, and then we'll go into talk about the Brotherhood Legion. So if the next couple of years were chapter, what would that chapter be? It would be the architect. Because I'm trying to really create, manifest and build something. Now there's going to be the foundations of my new life.
This right now is a stage I feel like in my life where I am stepping into the visions that I have and trying to create that base again that is going to give me the life that I had as dancing, the freedom, the security, but also the beauty and the essence of just the control of it. So right now I'm in between doing a full -time job with
making the charity sustainable and then educating myself to a place where I can start going coaching online or in a different manner, which will allow me to make more money for my family and me in the future and it'll give me more time and freedom back to do that as well. So we're building again. Nice. That sounds great. Actually, nobody's ever said that before, so I really appreciate that. like when I hear something new and different. So now that we've kind of talked about your journey, I guess, how did, well, one, give everyone a background on what the Brotherhood Legion
is and then we can talk about, guess, you know, how did it kind of come to be? So the Brotherhood Legion is an award winning men's mental health group from Leicester. It's a focus group where we primarily focus on inclusion, movement and conversation. And we do numerous different free services on Saturday and Sunday where we have coffees in the chat and we play cards. And then we do a free fitness session on Sundays where we do strength and conditioning one week and then some physical here and
circuit, but we, know, once every six weeks, we'll go on a hike or we'll do a camp or, know, we'll do another big event, which is built around bringing people together if it's over playing pool or gaming or just getting out and about. And then we also do numerous different things for the, for the community. If it's helping out the homeless, giving them sleeping bags, tents, food, if it's
You know, setting up other events with Baba Charity is where we give out, like, once again, not just the homeless, but anybody that needs it. We do an event literally on the 21st, if we could talk about where it's one of the first events that I ever did, which is where we give out free haircuts, free clothes, and free food to anybody that needs it. And then we do, you know, we do charity football matches. do, you know, just all the stuff that basically contributes and gives back. Our groups run, you know, the most diverse groups that you'll ever find, men from all different ages, all different races, all different religions.
and it's pretty much creating the space for the men that might not be all the way at the extreme and in the place where they need to go to serious therapy or an addiction group. They might be in the middle, just men that actually might be having a wobble as well. We make that space for all them men. So you will have a man in the group that is battling addiction. You might have a man in the group that
you know is having a really tough time at this part of his life and he needs to gain some balance or you might have a man that you know is just struggling with connecting with the women and you know social interactions and social anxiety you know it's just not about that experience and then we all learn off each other there's a beautiful thing it's a concept you might heard it's from Denmark it's called a human library now
created in the 2000s and it was basically you go to a library to read books. There's the human libraries where you don't go to read books, you go into a room, a facility and there'll be people dotted around a facility that will share stories with you when you sit down. Now these stories might be about drug addiction, they might be about loss, they might be about religion. These are here to break stigmas down, change perspectives and help people come down to a similar level to someone else in, you know, walking their shoes. In respect.
their views in an open way. What we do at the Brotherhood is exactly that. You will have men from all different backgrounds, if it's the council of states or if it's, you know, big time, successful gentlemen, they own good businesses, and you'll have people that play, you know, video games and then, you know, and the guys that go out and play football, you know, there's all these different calibre of people that share all different calibre of stories, but all of their...
in the same essence of support without judgment and without ego. Yeah. No, that's brilliant. really love, actually know the human library. So I wrote that down just cause yeah, I think that's a, that's a brilliant thing. And I love how you have a, I was actually having a conversation with someone before this who runs a men's group. Well, he's technically out of Toronto, but it's a global men's group on Facebook. And he was taught, there was a couple of things you were talking about that he said as well, which was the census thing. And then also.
know, just allowing people to have people from all different backgrounds and races and religions and everything, which is to me, it's a beautiful thing because people, it's good to be able to realize that it doesn't matter where you're from. all experiencing similar things, but it might be a little bit different. the other thing you're talking about as well around doing things outdoors and exercise and things like that. So can you, can you give me a little bit of a glimpse on how would say your camping trip or your cards or anything
Do you guys try to structure in a certain way for it to kind of spark conversations or are there certain things you're trying to do to kind of help people like within that framework? Like what is it that it actually looks like? So the coffee and a chat and the conversation in the social, they, they, come, you know, we sit down and then we'll just talk about, you know, how our week's been going. And then, you know, the, floors open once you create a space.
for men to feel comfortable and they know they're coming into that space that they can talk about what's been going on in their lives. People will talk about it. Like we don't have to go, okay, one by one, go around the table and like that you do have some support groups, which is, you know, sometimes a great way to do things. And but sometimes as well, it's, you know, can be overwhelming for some people. is a, this is imagine 10 to 12, 15 lads around the table. And, and then,
Whoever wants to take, you know, to have a talk, you know, will be having one person will come into the situation and how you doing guys? I'll introduce them or they'll introduce themselves. And then if they want to share, they'll share. If they're not, then they'll just listen to the conversations of other people sharing how their week's been, what's stressing them out, you know, what's brought them to the group. And
you know, we'll start playing cards as well. But what you get is you get like subgroups. So we can sit down and start talking. And then maybe I'm talking to that man over there about how his work's been going, the new job that he's just got. And then talking to the other gentleman about, you know, him getting sacked from work or maybe him struggling with some test results. And then how's the studying going with, because we don't just, and then somebody else on the other side, when we talk about Sven Kjell's, but let me pull it back a bit because we're not just a group that talk.
A lot of them lads that are in that group, I've had conversations with them and then I've attached them to outdoor sources. So maybe it is the gentleman that's got a test coming up, so I've attached him to a tutor that's ended up helping him with that test. Maybe it's the bloke that's come out of work and I've attached him to a careers manager and someone like that. And then maybe this person's gone,
I've got a job here or this person's gone, I'm having a really tough time with this. And then people connect. we try and basically it's a brotherhood where we support each other throughout the group. So it's more than just coming and saying, hi, my name's here. And today I'm like, it's good. Like we're really a family. And I was talking to the men about it today at the session that, you know, the last session.
you know, there was a nice turn out and we had around about 15 lads come through the session. And I said, you don't understand the value of your presence. Now, if there's only two or three men in a session, then it can be a good session, but there's not as much diversity and adversity that gets shared. Now, when there's a bigger collective, people feel more comfortable as well, because they don't feel so much seen and then they can, they might see different people and have different conversations with people.
they are in different topics and categories that they are interested in. And so everybody goes away feeling more full up, more like they've had a better, greater experience. And it's because every man there is a pillar for every other man. So sometimes when we think, no, I won't go today, you're not feeling it. Even though that's going to have a profound effect on just getting there, you're also going to have a profound effect on your brother that's there as well.
And people can underplay the importance of their presence and you should never do that, you know So that was a that's a really important thing and it goes for the same with fitness But we know statistically if you talk about it lowers the you know, the reattempts of we know if You do exercise when you can track your muscles you release chemicals that acts as antidepressants, know So we know doing these certain things have certain effects as
So these as a combined, it's not, you know, when I build this into some way in the future, I tell people it's not a group, it's going to be more of a clinic. It's a man clinic. Because these things that you use, the conversation, the movement, the, you know, the inclusion activities built around things that are fun, and, you know, the getting out in the outdoors, all these have already statistically, there's already literature proven that they will help lower stress. And then some of them,
help build up resilience to stress. So we're not just alleviating it, we're actually bringing up tools that will be able to hopefully help them be more sustainable in their problems later. And what I want to say as well is we try not to focus all the time on the problem because I believe this can be sometimes an issue. That when we only affirm what is not going wrong, I mean, it's going right in our life, and we just focus on the stuff that we're struggling
then we will live in that position that we're struggling because we are constantly affirming. So what we try and do is we try and look forward to the progressive and we try and affirm better for ourselves and believe that we're capable of more. And then, you know, we focus on pushing ourselves and stuff like that in certain events and giving back to give the guys a different sense of achievement. Because I believe that's a part of the problem. I think that we need to focus on the tools and the techniques, meditation, affirmations.
goal setting and movement, breath work, all these things that can help rewire the body to help us further in life. No, that's really interesting. My next question was going to say, well, what's next for the Brotherhood of Legion? already answered that they're going to be a men's clinic, which I actually really appreciate. I think what you guys are doing is really interesting. And it's something I was talking to friends about, which
men coming together and not, there's nothing, there's no way that's right or wrong. But I said, I go, think sometimes sitting around and everyone saying that this is what I'm going through, whatever it is can be quite intimidating to people because they might not be willing. They might not be ready to talk about it. Might not be ready to talk about it in front of a group. So I think if you can mix different things together, whether it's, you know, activities or outdoors, things like that. and I was actually talking to someone earlier today about that. He moved, he's British. He moved
I forgot where it is. Somewhere in France in the country, like near the mountains. he does a lot of stuff with men around yoga and also, but he brings men and also couples into the wilderness. And he said, you know, said, like, this is a real big helper because it allows you to kind of get away from your typical frameworks and really think about things differently. So it's really, I really like to hear what you guys are doing. It's great.
Obviously this will, I'm hoping somebody, somebody will listen to this and kind of, you know, hear about it and want to potentially join or, maybe try to find something similar that's near where they live. So, so yeah, I really appreciate you being, being on the podcast and, hopefully one day if you ever get to London, we can meet in person. Yeah, no, definitely. Just, I want to touch on what you just said there about finding a place that's close to them. If you're in the UK, there's a, there's an app called the Joy app. That's J or Y app. and we've recently been put on
And what that app is, is that you can search your local area for specific local support. So it's there to help, you know, the NHS, it's there to rebalance the playing field a little bit. And it allows you to see different support groups in outreach centres within your local area or close to your local area. So anybody that is struggling anywhere, then they might be able to jump on the Joy app and then check where they could get support as well. And that's fair. That's not just for me, that's for everyone.
No, that's amazing. Well, actually that's perfect because one of the things with my, directory that I was going to launch in the next couple of days was going to have platforms, tech platforms and stuff that people recommend. So I'll this to the list on there. Perfect. Well, thanks for joining. I really appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I really appreciate it as well. All right. Have a good one, Reese. Peace, helluva.