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Hosted by Masi Willis and Shannon Scott, Lead Like You Mean It is a leadership podcast for those who want more than inspiration—they want impact. We’ll help you lead from the inside out, with tools that stick and some truth that stretches you.
Shannon Scott (00:01.307)
Hey, hey, hey, welcome back to the Lead Like You Mean It podcast. How we doing, Mace?
Masi Willis (00:06.803)
I'm doing good girl, good to see you. Missed you, it's good to chat.
Shannon Scott (00:09.312)
It's good to see you.
good to chat and I love what we're gonna chat about today because last week you set the tone for 2026 being all about making it matter and I loved that conversation. I've been sitting in that conversation and this episode we're introducing a tool that is going to help people assess what actually fuels them forward and how
Masi Willis (00:41.588)
Mm-hmm.
Shannon Scott (00:42.38)
they really make something matter and how they make it matter with hope. So we're introducing the hope meter as the first thing for people to check in terms of what fuels them forward. So before we talk strategy or productivity or performance or all those things related to leadership, I think a more human question would be what if the you know one of or the most important leadership
Masi Willis (01:00.201)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (01:12.22)
diagnostic is not actually what you're outputting but is your hope and how much hope you have and where you are on the hope meter. So if you would just talk about this idea, talk about why there's a tool to assess hope and what it means for people as leaders who are trying to lead like they mean it and make it matter.
Masi Willis (01:38.57)
Yeah. If you want your leadership to really matter, you've got to know what people are carrying in the room. it's so ironic or maybe I can say it's perfect timing. I've just recently been sitting in the room in Washington, DC for the National Prayer Breakfast. And man, looking at the number of leaders around the world, hundreds of nations represented.
Shannon Scott (01:46.958)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (02:08.517)
In the climate of the world we live in, hope can be desperate for some. And understanding what, I think you often say this, what is in someone's upstream, right? What do we not know people are carrying? And so you can't out coach or really out manage or out strategize hopelessness.
Shannon Scott (02:15.541)
Yeah, yeah.
Masi Willis (02:37.403)
you know, that's something that you've got to really know what's coming. People without hope will constantly sit in that they burn out faster. They have personalized setbacks. They lose resilience. They can't, they really can't imagine the future and they stop really thinking about it as better. So if we just as leaders consistently
Shannon Scott (02:37.781)
Oof, yeah.
Masi Willis (03:04.787)
keep leading as if everyone has hope, you're just digging a hole for them. You're making it worse instead of better.
Shannon Scott (03:13.013)
I love that you said that they personalize setbacks because I have definitely experienced that where there's been a setback in my work. Either I, you know, I didn't deliver it the way that, you know, the boss wanted it or I didn't meet the deadline or whatever, whatever it might be. And I can take what is literally a tiny little molehill and turn it into a gigantic mountain and turn it into
I'm not worthy. I'm not worth anything because I didn't do this thing correctly. And so that's a really good indicator that the hope meter is struggling when you take something that should be a tiny little almost inconsequential setback and personalize it. Have you ever found yourself doing that?
Masi Willis (03:45.641)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (04:02.078)
wow, this just happened to me this week. I have a new client coming up and because I'm a coach, you know, I take things personally as well as I have to remember. I've been working on things on myself for six years. Well, this one client just went off on an email and I went to
Hopelessness. I literally went to defeat. I am not hopeful about next week. my gosh. I said the wrong things. I did the wrong things and I had to look at the hope meter and go whoa. Let's think about what is today. What is a truth. While this is chaos going on on the external side of us. You've got to choose. So that's the difference between peace and hope right. Peace is today.
Hope is for tomorrow. We discussed the peace index. We discussed the peace index, you and I, back in December. So as people think about it, peace is not absent of war, right? It is when chaos is happening everywhere. Where do I go internally and find my peace around things that could tank it? One of the P's we use is place and people. Well, this is a new place to me. These are new people for me. And I had to go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Shannon Scott (05:01.377)
that's good.
Masi Willis (05:27.622)
You can't take what just disrupted you today and place it on an outcome for tomorrow. You're gonna go back and go, these people haven't had coaching. they give them grace. They haven't had leadership coaching. So yeah, that is that how hopeful are you today about your tomorrow? And if I don't look at it go, you are self-internalizing this, this is not true. Like let's speak truth in this.
Shannon Scott (05:33.685)
Yeah, that's good.
Masi Willis (05:56.911)
exasperate or over exaggerate what today is for tomorrow.
Shannon Scott (06:04.747)
Yeah, so if we're going to endure, if we're going to have endurance, if we're going to be able to buckle down, if we're going to be able to keep going when things get uphill or difficult, we're going to have to have some fuel. so hope is that emotional fuel for endurance. So if you would just like explain the tool for people, now they're not going to be able to see it. And so I would just encourage you right here every week, Macy sends an
Masi Willis (06:27.378)
Yeah. Right.
Shannon Scott (06:34.691)
email on Mondays called Mondays with Macie, which I love that is so informative and helpful and such a good appetizer that just like it. What's your appetite for what you're going to need to sustain you through the week as a leader and every week in that email there are tools and you can see them visually. And so I know she's going to be putting these tools in the Monday emails that line up with the podcast. So if you're not subscribed to her email list,
Go to her website, go to the show notes where we've got a link for you to subscribe to the weekly email and get on that list because then you'll be able to see visually what she's going to explain right now and in all the rest of these podcasts about tools because there are pictures to go with each of these tools which make it so helpful. So Mace, even without the picture, explain what the hope meter looks like so that people can kind of get an idea of what the zones are and what the words associate.
Masi Willis (07:25.48)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (07:31.069)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (07:34.653)
what those are.
Masi Willis (07:36.797)
Yeah. Okay. So best way I'm going to paint a picture because you know, I love telling stories and painting pictures. So here we go. Picture a speedometer. Think about how it's, you know, an oversized arch and you start your vehicle at zero and we normally go all the way up to about 80 miles an hour if you live in Atlanta and you're going around 285. But let's picture it to a hundred.
Shannon Scott (08:01.994)
Yes, for sure.
Masi Willis (08:04.158)
And when we think about a hundred being full throttle from 70 to a hundred, let's picture it as green, then from about 40 to 69, so right in the center of that arch, it's yellow, and from zero to about 39, you're red, okay? So when you think about hope,
and you're somewhere between 70 and 100, you can see where, you can think about words like I'm hopeful, I'm energized, I'm optimistic, or I'm so future oriented. You are just thriving and 70 might be hopeful, where future oriented might be 100, right? And then in the center section of yellow, from 40 to 69, you could feel stuck, or maybe uncertain, or a bit weary, or you're just
Processing, thinking through, considering. And so those are the words that would kind of match that yellow zone. And then finally, that red zone, is burnout, defeat, depression, hopelessness. And so when we have this image or we know this picture, a lot of times we were like, are you going to teach me another tool? And yes, the crucial part is applying these tools. It's not.
knowing the visual piece, the visual, the more and more you and I have looked at it and coached with people, now we can just draw it on a napkin or now we can through the lens, we see that image in our head. I'm like, Hey, you seem like today seems okay, but there's something about tomorrow. What's going on? And a client this week said, I mean, I'm stuck. I feel stuck because I have shown up in a not great way.
and I've caused conflict in the team and they don't trust me, how am I gonna unlock that? And then I've taken other tools to coach her to that. But that stuck, helped me see that she was not hopeful for tomorrow. Does that make sense? Did I draw that picture well or would you add something to it?
Shannon Scott (10:16.402)
Yes.
Well, and I think, you know, the, image of the speedometer, because everybody can get that quickly in their minds. I can look at the speedometer all day, but if I never pressed the gas pedal, it doesn't matter. And so similarly we can look at the hope meter and maybe even go, I'm probably somewhere over there. If I don't actually do anything with that information, I'm not going to be able to get up into that green zone the way I want to. I do think it's important that we say,
this is not diagnostic like in a clinical sense like we're not mental health professionals we are not diagnosing people with depression anxiety anything that is a an emotional challenge that needs professional support that's not what this is this is relational it's situational i mean let's be honest my hope meter can be green at 9 a.m and be red at 2 p.m depending on what has
Masi Willis (10:51.333)
No. Right. No.
Masi Willis (11:06.994)
Right.
Masi Willis (11:17.936)
Exactly.
Shannon Scott (11:18.439)
happened in a day so it can change within an hour.
It's just a good indicator and an informer for me. And because it's visual, it just helps us go, this is some language for what I'm feeling. And sometimes a lot of us have trouble articulating what we're feeling. We just know we're spun up. The language on the hope meter, those words that you said, hopeful, energized, optimistic, future oriented, or stuck, uncertain, weary, processing.
Masi Willis (11:27.037)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (11:41.82)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (11:48.635)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (11:51.953)
burned out.
Shannon Scott (11:53.246)
burnout, defeat, depression, hopelessness. That just helps us kind of, I would say remove some of the fog. You know, we talked a lot about clarity in the last episode. It gives us clarity. So why have, why does this work and what have you seen in coaching about how this works for people?
Masi Willis (11:55.451)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (12:04.775)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (12:18.673)
Yeah, you know, the tough part is, let's face it, like people that aren't Ness don't drive with lots of empathy. They lead and make decisions through logic. Feel is not a thing that that personality type, that behavioral type necessarily wants to deal with. This gives us words. This is, it's relational, it's situational and.
when you maybe don't want to have what feels like a dramatic conversation or what doesn't come natural to you, it really gives and creates permission for honesty. I had a client a couple of years ago and I had the two leaders of the organization and we were doing the Hope Meter and I went around the room and said, choose the hope. One, the leader of the organization, the president.
was like up and future oriented, like really optimistic, like full throttle green. And the second in command was around stuck in the yellow and it shocked the president. Later, we had a coaching session together and he said, hey, help me unpack the stuck. Where is that coming from? Well, I knew where it was coming from because I'd had a conversation with him, but he was able to say like,
God, this feels like a dead end in this company because of all these things happening. Like, do I just need to move on? Go get a master's degree and do something else. And the leader was like, wow, no, this is the best master's degree you could ever get is how close you are to a huge organization like this. it just gave.
gave them language without forcing that vulnerability and not sounding like a complaining. It removes the shame and it really invites curiosity and those leaders who don't necessarily show up easily with care, it presents care for you. Like, let me know what needs to be seen and heard. I want them to know I care. Doesn't mean you got to sit there and listen to anyone whine.
Shannon Scott (14:09.471)
yeah.
Masi Willis (14:30.799)
you have a hope meter to help you present that in an easier way. What about for you?
Shannon Scott (14:36.467)
Yeah, you know, I think about, I think about just the state of the world and for a lot of people, there is a struggle to reconcile what it seems like is chaos externally. and it feels like chaos externally automatically means chaos internally and chaos for the future. And that doesn't have to be the case. And I find.
Masi Willis (14:42.119)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (14:59.229)
Mm-hmm.
Shannon Scott (15:06.381)
That if people feel hopeless then everything automatically feels heavier It's like it's the window of tolerance of what people can endure goes dramatically down if there's no Hope for the future, you know, you and I both are people of faith and so we do not have our hope Placed in how this world is going We don't hope in a president. We don't hope in a king. We don't hope
Masi Willis (15:13.49)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (15:19.441)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (15:29.937)
Mm-mm.
Masi Willis (15:33.341)
Mm-hmm.
Shannon Scott (15:36.254)
hope in our local senators and representatives. We don't hope in doctors. We don't hope in, you know, we hope in something beyond all of that. And so everything tends to not feel as heavy. And so I think with hope, people can endure hard things longer than they think they can. But without hope, everything gets a lot heavier, a lot faster, and people feel that sense of hope.
Masi Willis (15:45.777)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (15:58.438)
Yes.
Shannon Scott (16:07.036)
hopelessness and so we want to give people a way to A, identify where they are on the hope meter but then B
Masi Willis (16:13.83)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Shannon Scott (16:17.513)
communication and vulnerability words and steps to make conversations a little easier because there's very little that is actually hopeless. Just sometimes we need help identifying where hope can be placed. And like you said, we talked about the peace index in December and peace and hope are deeply connected because if my hope for the future drops, my peace for today often follows. So you
Masi Willis (16:20.764)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (16:28.988)
Thank
Masi Willis (16:41.041)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (16:47.437)
just can't regulate what you can't recognize and what you don't have language for.
Masi Willis (16:53.68)
Yeah, yeah, true. I mean, it's like you said, I have a hope in something greater than here, but those who don't, then you're looking at, okay, you can get hopeless pretty quickly and asking that question of like, what am I truly hopeless in? Politics, the end of life, where can I afford my food? I, know, circumstantially, you can get hopeless.
And so that evaluating and asking that question of, you know, where is your hope meter today? And what is your hope in? Like you listen to yourself before you start trying to fix it because that, the hopelessness leads to fear and fear driven leadership, fear driven living in life is exhausting. I think about this older generation right now. And cause I've got parents that are older.
Like they can be driven by the media and by the circumstances of the world and politics and presidents and sides of this and that and red and blue and all the things that come with that. I'm like, Hey, hey, focus on today. What are you hoping in? Because why do you feel hopeless burnout depressed? And is what you're clinging to really gonna matter? Does this matter? So
listening before fixing and just adjusting those expectations based on your hope, not just the circumstances or deadlines is crucial when we're thinking about people internally, as well as a leader when you're coaching or you're a leader of an organization and I'm equipping you with the ability, like, Hey, time out. Why do you feel hopeless a lot right now? You don't feel like you got that right. So you don't feel like
Listen to that. Don't try to put a deadline on it. it. Adjust the expectations of how to get there.
Shannon Scott (19:00.318)
What would you say to people who are leading teams or even people who are on teams about the HOPE meter? Like what are some really just important things to remember when it comes to utilizing this tool and understanding it?
Masi Willis (19:17.244)
Well, be consistent. Let this be a temperature check. There's a lot of leaders that aren't real sure. What do I do in a one-on-one with six people that are leading our entire organization of 1,500? Like, do I go to performance reviews? Yes. But also think about metrics. Yes, look at performance. But then look at the Hope meter as well as the Peace Index as well as we've talked about 70-30 before.
These are, like you said, not clinical. They are big picture look snapshot that you're inviting your team member to give you as the CMO talking to a CEO. If you sit down as a marketing direct, chief marketing officer and your CEO says to you, tell me, we had to look at your hope meter today. What is it? That in itself is communicating that the emotional state, the curiosity,
the creating vulnerability is inviting in. I'm hopeful at work, but I'll be honest with you, I'm bringing a lot less hope from home. Okay, now we know if something goes haywire in the next month, we've got a little bit of an indicator of where that might be coming from. And help normalize those yellow seasons in case there is that person who feels stuck. What that leader did by giving them a different
Shannon Scott (20:39.208)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (20:42.819)
a different perspective of the picture they had helped that that person's hope meter go up a little bit and intervene before they get to red. Before people resign and just walk away from abdicating and I give up, recognize to keep them out of that red zone and don't confuse low hope with low commitment. Don't undermine or create shame.
of someone who's being honest. The worst thing a leader can do is react wrong. You have one option to react. So you better be prepared to respond. Pause. Think about who's on the other side of you. When they give you this information, get a lot more curious. Get way interested instead of interesting. Don't get accusational. Don't get, well, let me tell you how I've dealt with that. No, tell me a little bit more about that. Wow.
Shannon Scott (21:19.006)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (21:41.369)
That seems deep. Where do you think that's coming from? Just ask more questions from a curious perspective because they matter.
Shannon Scott (21:50.527)
Yeah, I think it's really tempting for leaders to make it about them. And it's not about them. When you're asking for the hope meter on someone who works for you, the answer is not all about you. The answer is about them. And so there's a temptation. If somebody says, I'm really struggling, I feel stuck or I feel overwhelmed or I feel, you know, whatever. then it's just,
well you must not be all in. Well we need people here who are all in. And so that's that confusing low hope with automatically meaning low commitment. Do you know how many things I have felt one way about and felt I had to show up another way so that the way I really felt wouldn't be used as a liability against me? That is such a good call out to not confuse low hope with low commitment. Because hey leader,
Masi Willis (22:22.703)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (22:39.685)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (22:46.287)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Shannon Scott (22:50.541)
It ain't always all about you.
Masi Willis (22:52.635)
That is so, I know we throw this term around, but narcissistic. is passive aggressive. It is manipulative leadership. When you're like, well, the problem is you're not all in. You took your poor leadership and flipped it on them. They came to you vulnerably. And a great leader is like, I'm fighting for this person's highest good. When you turn around and say things like, you're not all in or.
Well, you haven't shown up like you should or you're misplacing hope with the lack of performance. Uh-uh. That get more in the place. Like I said, get crazy curious. Like why that number? What do you think is contributing to it right now? How do you think I'm contributing to it or the organization as a whole? And you know, what steps can we take together to get you to a different place?
because we're not gonna move people from red to green. We're gonna equip them with the vulnerable, open conversations and watching them through the lens of they were in red and they may get back to green by the end of the day. Just because you've reframed, you brought clarity. We talked about this in the last podcast. Maybe you bring some clarity of communication.
Shannon Scott (24:07.975)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (24:17.015)
made an assumption because of your lack of communication or quite possibly let's talk about toxic culture where there's gossip in the boardroom. There might be lies being driving that hope meter down that once you ask it and you clearly see where it's coming from like hey let me clear this up for you. We actually are not getting acquired. We are looking at acquiring some
else. So what you fear, your hopelessness right now is then you're not gonna have a job in the future. Yeah, someone told you that wrong, so let me squash that right now. And you need to understand, you don't need the details, it's not your place to know the details, but we're not looking at being acquired. You know, see how I just quickly, you're like, let's like stop this, this in the moment.
Shannon Scott (25:08.359)
Yeah, now the the hope meter jumps up quickly because I don't need to fear losing my job. That was never even real or on the table. I would say this is also this works with spouses. This works with kids. This works with close friends. We were on the phone with our adult son and my husband was receiving the communication from Jack. Like it was sharp. It was amped. Like it was just not his person.
personality. And so finally my husband said, hey bud, I'm receiving you as kind of aggressive right now, but I haven't done anything. Can you talk me through what's going on? Now he didn't say, tell me your hope meter.
Masi Willis (25:54.138)
right.
Shannon Scott (25:54.494)
but it became clear very quickly that my son was concerned about something in the future and it was informing his stressed behavior in the present. And so we were able to put some, you know, encouragement and some don't worry and some language around that. And he immediately was able to get into a better spot. So this tool belongs at dinner tables, not just boardrooms. And so I would just encourage
Masi Willis (26:20.824)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (26:24.457)
you, even those of you who are not necessarily leading teams, but can see the effectiveness of this tool. A great question to ask to get somebody in the right frame of mind to answer it is what is weighing on your tomorrow? Like when you think about the future, what do you feel weight around? And that is a way to bring the concerns about the future into the present and to put some language.
Masi Willis (26:40.461)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (26:54.448)
around them through the HopeMeter tool.
Masi Willis (26:55.962)
Yeah, well, and if you want to matter to people, you have to care about how they're experiencing the future. That's making it matter. That is looking at it going, I might be experiencing this person today, but what is, like you said, weighing on them for tomorrow? Yeah, that's good. You know, the thing is too, I want to remind people that
Shannon Scott (27:05.533)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (27:25.248)
You're looking at progress because that restores hope faster than perfection. When I was in the event world and producing live events, I used to tell my team, you are planning for flexibility, never perfection. When you're working towards things, we're looking at progress, not perfection. So looking at that meter, it's not your job to get everybody to 100, right?
It's an indicator. It's a temperature check. so being emphasizing that, let's baby steps towards where they need to go, not I want everybody at a hundred. Cause that reflects on me as a leader that I've got everybody in a great place. It's not about you. It's about them. Yeah.
Shannon Scott (28:13.417)
That's so good. Just as you think about the make it matter principle and the hope meter and we think about leaders, what is the personal challenge that you would give to everybody listening? Like what can they be asking themselves and how can they be assessing where they are in this? Just like we had people kind of assess where what's their make it matter question.
Masi Willis (28:34.457)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (28:43.371)
if people are assessing their own hope and where that sits today what are some ways that they can kind of turn that inward and ask those questions of themselves?
Masi Willis (28:43.94)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (28:54.116)
Yeah. Well, I think you can ask the question truly simply, where's your hope today? Where is that hope meter today? Get a real number for yourself and be true about what are you telling yourself about your future? What are you telling yourself about your future job, your future relationship? Maybe you're looking at buying a house. Get a true inward look.
Because when you evaluate your own self, you can actually multiply that into others by helping them truly, you know, inwardly apply it. And this is, often say, I say hard things to hard-headed people. So I'll say this in a really nice Southern accent way. You know, if you're numb or exhausted or cynical, it might not be a discipline problem. It might be a hope problem. And so,
Shannon Scott (29:51.901)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (29:52.853)
really writing things off with sarcasm or being snappy and quippy on the other side of you as a leader or as a leader of your household or leader of yourself, I would turn that mirror on yourself or others and truly think, hmm, they're cynical, they're toxic to the culture, but is that really them or is there a hope problem that I need to uncover and discover? So, I mean,
Shannon Scott (30:21.5)
Yeah, that's so good.
Masi Willis (30:22.49)
We say this a lot, the mirror's huge, right? It all starts with self leadership. You can't give what you don't possess. And so if you can't turn the hope meter on yourself and appreciate value, what it does for you first, what it does for your family around the dinner table, like honey, what is your hope tomorrow? Where would you put us?
then when you transfer it and multiply into your team, you've got to have started with yourself. Or it could look disingenuous, right? Like the person who's been like lean in and then all of a sudden they're like, well, so where's your hope? That I don't feel like great leadership. So a leader who's not regularly done this probably needs to set this up. Hey, you know, I've realized
Shannon Scott (30:57.734)
Yeah.
Masi Willis (31:19.096)
I've passed blame on everybody else about tomorrow. I've passed blame on the company progress, on where the family's going. And when I realized I learned this new tool, I listened to a podcast and I wanted to look at hope for myself. And you know what? I have been feeling stuck in our marriage or I've been feeling stuck as the CEO of this company that isn't going anywhere. And
in that I haven't had the hope needed for tomorrow. And so I'm really focusing on that and I want to hear where yours is. That is, that's going to help you seem real when you haven't been one who necessarily drives with care.
Shannon Scott (32:05.714)
Whew.
Yes, the setup is so important. You cannot have not cared for people one day and start caring the next day and expect that they will take that at face value and not see it as manipulative or disingenuous. So that's so good. So we want to just invite you listeners to ask the hope meter question this week. Ask yourself or a team member or a
Masi Willis (32:10.434)
Yes.
Masi Willis (32:23.595)
Exactly.
Shannon Scott (32:36.362)
family member like make this part of your consideration this week just once and check your own hope before you're checking your performance that's how you can make it matter if you're a driven person if you're a numbers person if you're a to-do list person it's easy to go well I must be good because things are getting done and that isn't necessarily the same thing productivity is not the same as hope so
Masi Willis (32:55.107)
Mm-hmm.
Masi Willis (33:06.009)
Yeah.
Shannon Scott (33:06.282)
So make it matter by checking hope before you check your performance. Mace, what would you encourage listeners with before we close?
Masi Willis (33:15.959)
Yeah, I encourage you to see this for others, right? You said it, make it matter. Like the world is all about performance, but when we're vulnerable and we actually truly authentically care, it is transformational. so share this episode with someone that you think may feel stuck or might be in a really hopelessness place, a burnout space, know, friend who's struggling with
kids or who have a tough relationship with a spouse, just start the conversation because when you do, you can make it matter.
Shannon Scott (33:56.582)
Yeah, that's so good. And I just want to encourage you again, if you'd like to see this tool and understand kind of what it looks like and have it to print out and stick on your mirror so you can check your Hope Meter and your Peace Index each morning, then be sure to subscribe to Macy's weekly email list. And once you do, you could then reply to Monday's email and say, hey, I missed last week. Can you send me the Hope Meter tool? And we can make sure that you get that.
encourage you if you're thinking man this is all so good and I feel kind of overwhelmed in my leadership and I'm not sure how to get the train back on the tracks that's a really great opportunity for a discovery call with Macy because I'm telling you I have had a front-row seat to watching people and organizations transform as a result of coaching so I encourage you to do that and as always we encourage you to lead like you mean it.
week.
Masi Willis (34:57.751)
Yep. See you next week.