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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America, a voice of reason in a world gone mad. I'm your host, Seth Hullhouse. Well, first off, as you can tell, I'm still getting better. I feel great, but my voice is obviously not what it should be. So I guess I'm a little raspy today and just part of the show.
Speaker 1:So, diving into today's topic. For those of us that have been following, I guess, really since 2020 or even 2016, what's been happening with president Trump. And the treasonous acts, that have been, you know, held against him. We have the Steele dossier, the Russia hoax, the the laptop from hell, the twenty twenty election, and everything that happened there. And it's the list just goes on and on and on.
Speaker 1:And if there's one thing that I think I've wanted, and you probably have wanted, it's just justice. Like, I don't wanna take people that are not guilty and do bad things to them, but I wanna take people and that have harmed our country, that were, you know, kind of part of a communist coup, and overthrow of our government, and look what happened with the under the four years of Biden. Look what happened. Look at the political persecution that Trump suffered during his first term. Obviously, you know, he's continued to suffer that, but the first term, the Russia hoax, I mean, this the deep state had lined up all the cards against him, and he still made it through.
Speaker 1:But what's so interesting is that right now, we've got Tulsi Gabbard coming out talking about this. We have Trump even talking about it, is it appears like the the DOJ is actually building a case against Obama and Hillary, and a lot of the other people that were involved in these, you would say, acts of treason. And so the questions I have, you know, excuse me for being a little jaded, but are we actually gonna see justice, or is it gonna be another thing where, like, you know, the Epstein files, or whatever it is, where we're, you know, like, yes, this is gonna happen. It's gonna happen. And look, all Trump put a meme out about it.
Speaker 1:It must happen. And then nothing happens. Or is it actually gonna be something that is legitimately taken seriously, and we'll see some high level arrest potentially? I mean, that's seems like that's pointing towards that. And so joining me today is my good friend Mel Kay to help us make sense of this.
Speaker 1:Now, what I appreciate about Mel's perspective is that she doesn't just look at this situation in this small little window, this small slice. She's looking at, okay, how do the actions of Obama and Hillary and the people surrounding them, Victoria Nuland, Eric Holder, How did their actions fit into the much larger plan to overthrow and destroy America? And there's you can trace it back as we're gonna get into the interview today, back to things that were happening in the forties, in the fifties, in the sixties, where these plans were being laid as we eventually got to the point of the '16 plan of the eight years of Obama, eight years of Hillary. And so we're gonna be talking about just what's really going on. Are we going to see justice?
Speaker 1:But also importantly, what we're gonna be talking about is that the plan that they were part of was a plan that was leading this country into some sort of global government. As, you know, we'll go over George Soros' own words talking about this new world order. And this new world order, built upon track and trace technology and technocracy. So in addition to talking about, you know, Trump and Obama and Hillary, etcetera, we're also gonna be talking about this idea of the new war and order in this global surveillance state, and ask the, you know, the questions of with Trump and what everything that he's doing with AI and big data and Silicon Valley and companies like Palantir. Is he perhaps unintentionally or even intentionally laying the groundwork for some sort of technocratic society?
Speaker 1:We have to be asking these questions. So obviously, we'll be covering a lot of great information. I hope you enjoy the interview with my good friend Mel Kay.
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Speaker 1:Mel, it's so good to have you back on. It's been quite some time, but I always enjoy our conversation. So thank you for being here.
Speaker 3:Thank you for having me. Me too. I mean, I I look back over the last several years, and I just every time that we've interacted, it's kinda like, you know, okay. The coast is clear. We can actually talk and communicate and outside of the bubble.
Speaker 3:So it's always such a pleasure seeing you. We've been on this journey together, and it's only getting wilder.
Speaker 1:It is. I mean, it's it's actually getting really crazy. I mean, which so today, I wanted to look at just the intersection of a lot that's happening, especially as it relates to the former administrations. Right? Obama, Hillary.
Speaker 1:Biden seems a little more out of the picture now, you know, except for Hunter giving these weird interviews, getting excited about crack cocaine, which is that's a whole different story. But looking at well, I guess we'll start with this. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard has been dropping some bombs, really. You know, this is a Gateway Pundit article says, you know, Tulsi Gabbard suggests Obama may be guilty of treason. Quote, the expressed intent of what followed after afterward can only be described as a years long coup and treasonous conspiracy.
Speaker 1:So here you have, like, you know, a very prominent person, obviously, in our intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard, you know, the the mention of treason, like treason isn't a word that you casually mention. Like, you know, treason is is like one of the highest crimes, right, someone could be committed of. And a former president, you know, especially. It's, like, absolutely incredible. So I know that you've, you've covered not just, you know, American politics.
Speaker 1:You know, to me, I think American politics as it is is more of a kabuki theater, but you you've covered really the the the deep state of the American politics in-depth. And so when you see this and you see Gabbard out here talking about this, how do you make sense of that?
Speaker 3:Well, what I think we're dealing with, honestly, is infiltration, you know, a JFK infiltration instead of invasion. But, frankly, I believe a lot of what we're dealing with is that between the years of 1944 and 1954, state department, not really focused on what's best for America for now, you know, decade upon decade. I think when, when George h w Bush walked on the floor of the United Nations and announced that there would be a new world order run by the United Nations, not only did he mean it, but I also believe that the investments were made towards that. Then we had, of course, Reed and Pelosi back, Obama rather than Hillary Clinton back in 2008. We're in the middle of, I believe, a purposeful controlled demolition of the financial system where they were going towards, a one world financial model, which is, of course, what it's all about in my opinion.
Speaker 3:And, they signed on to that. And, in 2015, Barack Obama, without the consent of the governed or explaining that it was a nation state ending, project agenda 2030 that involved a full track and trace surveillance of all human beings, animals, plants, plants, insects, insects, whatever, but also all natural resources, all money, all, you know, pharmaceutical, everything in the hands of a very small, what I call the global public private partnership and their international banking cartel partners. I believe that the the chips were in for the Bush Bush, Clinton, Obama, and, I guess, Biden, world order to, kick it off. I think Trump came in. I don't think the attacks against Trump, starting with the coup and the color revolution that kicked off simultaneously when Trump unexpectedly won in 2016 are about Donald Trump.
Speaker 3:I think they are about the trillions of dollars have been invested in this model that they've been working towards since World War two. I don't believe that the crown ever accepted the American Revolution the way that we think they did. They planned and came in and infiltrated again with the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds, all the international bankers that were involved in the Federal Reserve, which Wilson pushed through, I believe, on, the eve of Christmas, that year that they it came to to be. And, I think this was a long game, basically, to end nation states. And the one problem, as I say all the time, Trump would say in his first term, I agree with it in his first term, they're not after me.
Speaker 3:They're after you. I'm in the way. I believe, though, the bigger picture is they're not after America. They're after the world and the American constitution, the bill of rights, and the founding documents. What what George Washington left and wrote in his farewell address, that's what's in the way.
Speaker 3:And, this controlled demolition of America, I believe, was supposed to be a sixteen year plan. Obama pops in. They, decimate the financial system. They tighten it up. They have all the players there from Goldman and from, BlackRock that go in and out of the government that are really part to me of a type of parent company that has captured our entire political system over decades.
Speaker 3:And, here's Trump starting to dismantle it, unacceptable, and I think by any means necessary. Right when Trump won, George Soros, I believe to be more of a front for the entire banking cartel, George Soros announced, we're gonna get Trump out of there as soon as possible. We're not gonna let him take his term. And then don't forget, all during Obama was the prep, I believe, for World War three, which was to destroy what is left of, what what Russia became after the USSR fell, after NATO was supposed to be dismantled, which I believe NATO to be an offensive force to be the military of the EU and the international organizations and the international banking cartel, not, something protecting Europe for good. No.
Speaker 3:It's protecting to what I call the fourth Reich. I don't see how you can't call it that when you look at the money flow since 1944 out of Germany into Switzerland, into Argentina, and into America, which I you know, oddly enough, Chuck Grassley is in is full in investigation right now on that front, investigating Credit Suisse and, the post, the the Nazi rat lines. That is an investigation that's supposed to from what the people are saying at UBS who bought Credit Suisse, that when that, report comes out in 2026, our entire understanding of World War two and, post World War two America and the world will be very different. And so for me, I just think that Trump got in the way of a long term plan to end nation states. And then when Trump won, there was they were just not going to allow him, a, to have any detente with Russia.
Speaker 3:They were not going to allow him to look into what was going on in Ukraine since John McCain and Newland and Obama and the rest of them overthrow the duly elected government, put in all these CIA bases and, and labs in Ukraine on the border, kept expanding NATO. I mean, this was a march towards, I believe, the fourth Reich. So, and and to say Reich, people think Nazis and then no. No. No.
Speaker 3:There was a goal to run the world through a centralized hub in Europe, Brussels, or something between Brussels and Switzerland. And and there's plenty of documentation that from '44 on, the people that were complicit in that started planning for this. And, and, frankly, that's what I think more than anything else, the controlled demolition of America, the color revolution that Obama and his friends kicked off, and, frankly, the attack on to destroy MAGA, more than Trump, to destroy MAGA, to destroy the populist movement because, you know, their new thing now is fighting autocracy. All they mean is the is the, institutions of the state. Autocracy, because they say that about Hungary.
Speaker 3:They say that about anywhere that that is rejecting the global governance model of agenda 2030 and the international banking system, right now is supposedly an autocracy, and all the other countries are supposedly democracy. If we think that our country right now is functioning as a representative democracy, or a constitutional republic as it was founded, it's not even close to that. And that and that is because I believe through years and years of grooming and, particularly the bloodline families of the original banking families, and then the grooming through, private schools and select schools that then funnel into the Ivy League or as I call it, the poison Ivy League, then funnel out of the Ivy League because it used to be that, you know, the the inventors and the doctors and all of that went to Harvard and Yale and Columbia, but that's not what happened after the infiltration post World War two. What I believe happened is that they were grooming them to put them into NGOs, into international, nongovernment organizations that all somehow in '47 got immunity, including the UN and the Bank of International Settlements and the World Bank. So to me, what became the model of the Ivy Leagues was to funnel them into international organizations, multinational banks, and corporations to actually pull off the global governance model in plain sight.
Speaker 3:And as Trump started dismantling things in the first term, such as the awful, completely corrupt, and completely, I believe, controlling our teachers' unions, the UNESCO. Then he pulls out of the Paris Climate Accord because, of course, that's based on Rockefeller's Club of Rome, limits to growth, human caused climate change, all can be debunked easily. But the the whole model was to convince the world, particularly American children over three generations, that, nation states, particularly The United United States Of America, to be proud of our country, to have sovereignty, borders, you know, have one language, one culture, shared values, principles was the biggest problem to achieving, the end goal, which is, I believe, totalitarian technocratic control that's somewhat like, a little bit like communism, a little bit like socialism, but with algorithms and with data being the tools of the control grid and the building the global public infrastructure. And what I believe happened is that Obama was placed in there, picked in there, by Pelosi and Reed who were all in on it, obviously, well invested in the global public private partnership. And I I think Obama's past really has to be looked at.
Speaker 3:His mother, and both fathers' relationships with USAID and the CIA. I frankly think the USAID, National Endowment for Democracy, the State Department, and the CIA all worked to to get together post World War two, to, create the environment that Brzezinski talked about in his books that, you know, Kissinger made speeches at the council foreign relations and chant the mouse about, the trilateral commission's whole reason for being. A lot of these groups, literally, council like, they their whole end be all end all has not changed. And, what I think really happened is, they did not believe Trump was going to win until that day, and we now know that neither did Russia. So it made the whole thing.
Speaker 3:But bigger than that, I don't think that they could allow Trump to interact with Russia, while he was president, have detente, to have open dialogue with Russia particularly, but also with Ukraine or the EU because I believe all this time they were planning on destroying Russia once and for all as Brudzinski wrote in his own book to run the world as a united Europe, no Russia, out of Brussels, with this international finance being the key to a global interoperable ID system that everyone had to have birth to death. You see them, they're going around, you know, Africa, South America. Everywhere there's poor people, they're handing out phones. They're doing all this. Like like, it's nice.
Speaker 3:It's not nice. Just like Bill Gates and Common Core and giving out computers. It was for control so that there's one narrative. So, I do believe that the the real crimes that we're talking about, sedition and treason, and those happen between the transition from Trump winning, in 2016, to him taking office. And then after that, they had already set up to sabotage his entire, term first term by putting a wall between Trump and the foreign policy of Bush Bush, Clinton, Obama, that led up to Trump and making sure that he couldn't dismantle the plans for a great third world war, which, of course, that all these people, the same bloodlines, the same people, have used every war to have reconstruction after, which was a tremendous amount of trillions of dollars involved already invested, into this.
Speaker 3:Trump was costing the multinational corporations trillions of dollars by just pulling out of the climate accords. And, I I just really think that it was all about, he he's getting in the way of a plan that they really didn't want us to know, and then I am of the mind that the pandemic was a 100% purposeful. I look at Larry Fink, he was on the he was on the board of the council foreign relations, the architect of the great reset, the ESG score, social credit score, and his his talk in Jackson Hole shortly before the pandemic was unleashed, then all the rules changes, to the election, the transition integrity project. I you know, if you look through that document, it's a document saying we will not let Trump win no matter what. Here's the scenarios.
Speaker 3:Here's how we fight it. Here's what we do. Then, of course, they had to set up an insurrection fedsurrection, to make sure he could never run again. Then when that failed, they did four years of lawfare. It didn't work.
Speaker 3:And now we're at a situation where the American people have to accept the truth about post World War two America and that we have been to the tune of trillions of dollars going missing. We have been funding regime change. We have been funding, invasions that we don't even we're not even told about. We've been funding, funny money stuff through the IMF and the World Bank. The American taxpayers have been looted, particularly because, the German Marshall Fund, was the biggest fraud.
Speaker 3:It built the EU. It started it allowed the euro, the one world currency, that was the plan to come into being. So I think we're at a place where first step for, our country is to realize this isn't about Trump. It's not even about our government. It's really about, you know, essential reasoning for the whole United States project, which is individual liberty, personal sovereignty, auto determination, unalienable rights by God, and a country that has two giant, oceans on both sides that shouldn't be involved in military conflict all over the world.
Speaker 3:And when you look at it, every all three wars, but going back to World War, and frankly, the French Revolution, the same international bankers have paid for both sides every time, and they're the only ones that benefit after. So I think World War three, that they are pushing towards now, the EU full steam ahead, they have destroyed the nations of inside the EU, particularly their sovereignty and wealth and and industry like they've done here. And I I think that's where we are is that, the entire inner circle of bite of, Obama had to, by any means necessary, make sure that Trump was blind, deaf, and dumb to all the crimes they had committed to set up this, moving target all the way back to, you know, Clinton and the Kyoto treaty, just kicking off the, global climate crisis, the global everything global, global pandemic, global pushing the globalism in the schools, all that. So I think we had three generations of children in America that were, you know, post operation paperclip, dumbed down and taught upside down history, not taught about communism or socialism. Certainly, when I found out that the Annenberg found foundation had given Bill Ayers and a community organizer named Barack Obama $50,000,000 to write a new curriculum for America before he even became a senator.
Speaker 3:So, you know, to me, I think Obama's always been an operative, a straight up Manchurian candidate, frankly, to usher in the end of America, and then Hillary Clinton was supposed to step in there. And, the coup de grace, I believe they still would have launched probably the pandemic when they did, in any case. But once Trump came in, they had to do it, I think, for that election. And, you know, the the biggest problem is that the American people either don't wanna see it, can't see it, or are still, not clear that the intelligence agencies run the fake news media. And post Obama, with the Smith Munt Act, I believe that a lot of the people in the media are actually and a lot of the lawyers doing lawfare.
Speaker 3:A lot of the people we see in embassies are actually were CIA trained and then moved into these positions. And the CIA, I believe, to be the biggest fraud on the people because I think they always worked for the international bankers if you look at where Alan Dulles was during World War two, and and, that the guy running the Bank of International Settlements that they were funding all the money out of Germany before Hitler surrendered was also American at, the Bank of International Settlements, McKittrick. I think we are dealing with, a level of fraud and deception on the people of The United States that is almost impossible to believe, but I fully believe is true. And by any means necessary, the deep state that put in Obama were okay and gathered around to make sure that Donald Trump could not do anything or do as little as possible to get them off track to achieve agenda 2030.
Speaker 1:There's a lot to unpack there. So pardon me. You know, there there's two things you mentioned that I wanna get your thoughts on. You mentioned track and trace surveillance, which if you look at what they would need to have a a global security state, a global technocracy, they would need to have technology keeping people in line. You know, a global digital ID, a global social credit score, etcetera.
Speaker 1:So you mentioned track and trace, and you mentioned technocracy. Right? And so now looking at what's happened under Trump since he got in, even though he's been opposing, obviously, a lot of the globalist agendas, and pulling out a lot of the international treaties and organizations, and and, you know, you've got RFK junior coming out recently and saying, look, we're we're rejecting these updates and the, you know, the the WHO treaties. Right? We're not gonna be pulling into that.
Speaker 1:Not gonna be sacrificing our own constitutional rights for the medical global medical, you know, safety of people. But at the same time, if you look in and you kinda trace things back with Palantir, with all of these big tech executives, kind of magically overnight becoming pro Trump, you know, standing beside him, front row at his inauguration, etcetera. You look at the big contracts being, you know, handed out to Palantir. You look at the most read the genius act, you look at the big beautiful bill, limiting state's ability to make any rules, or pass any regulation on AR for the next ten years, which to me is one of the most frightening examples of just shredding the constitution, which is supposed to take the power and push it down. But if if these if if that if that then limits, the the state, you know, at the state level, the ability to regulate AI, because what if they roll out some sort of, you know, kind of Palantir social credit system in America?
Speaker 1:And what if Ron DeSantis says, you know what? Hey, not in my state. And they say, well, sorry. Right? Because we've already passed this, and and and you can't make that decision.
Speaker 1:So when you look at, the role that Trump has played with the advancement of AI, you know, you know, all the announcements for massive data centers, even like it was day two, bringing up, you know, Ellison and Sam Altman and, you know, front and center talking about these massive AI, you know, you know, project Stargate and everything. It it seems almost like, if you look if I'm looking at objectively, I wanna be optimistic that it's kind of like, we you had the bad guy over here, and it's just this kind of bait and switch where, you know, while Trump is doing a lot of great things, are you concerned that maybe he's also laying what could be the groundwork for technocracy? And if you look at what Elon Musk has done okay. Thank you, Elon. You know, I can, you know, pop we can publish this on Twitter without any concern, which I I love that.
Speaker 1:However, you look at, you know, his past, his grandfather's role with the, you know, Tetraconic party in Canada, and you look at some of the things that he's talked about, his legions of Optimus robots, you know, frightening to me.
Speaker 3:Me too.
Speaker 1:I does that all? Like, how do you make sense of all that? Because I feel like it's it's like, okay. There's an enemy over here. Does that mean this guy is the the good guy?
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Speaker 3:Well, what I think is that, my biggest issue is the global public infrastructure that was built by the global public private partnership funded by the international bankers. Wall Street and the city of London obviously funded a lot of that. My issue is that what you're saying is the most important thing. And and this, again, goes back to local action, citizen involvement, citizen engagement, which is being you know, we're being distracted to death to not even pay attention. But, I think that agenda 2030 and let alone a global public infrastructure, which is already built.
Speaker 3:I I believe that when Trump got in there and looked at everything, it was already probably too late to dismantle what has already been built, which I believe to be the global public infrastructure that Bill Gates and the World Economic Forum and the UN, and they all talk about that this is how they're going to, you know, achieve these goals is an interoperable global public infrastructure. And to me, it's antithetical to the constitution and the bill of rights. And and what's even scarier to me is that I believe that the unconstitutional Patriot Act was bad enough. But what I think is going on now is that, under the guise of safety, security, border, whatever it is because if we had a defensive military that was protecting our homeland and not spread all over the world for god knows why, then we should have no fear of anyone in you know, attacking America. We have two oceans.
Speaker 3:But instead, what we're seeing is not only did parent Palantir get a deal with our department of defense, but they made a deal with NATO. And I frankly, there's no doubt to me that NATO is not a defensive force. It's actually the military of the international banking cartel and the, and their partners of the international organizations, which all made up global governance. I mean, it wasn't about governments. This is the international.
Speaker 3:This is why I'm so I don't understand how they don't repeal this International Organization Immunity Act of 1947 because all of the groups that are are usurping national sovereignty and running countries, including ours as a parent company above our government, and then the lobbyists and and the NGOs and all this, That is the model that they set up was that those NGOs, those international organizations, the international banks, everything that they put into place after World War two is the government of the world. And that our government is basically bought, paid for, infiltrated, like Kalashwab said, to, implement all of that stuff. And and I think this has been implemented over years and years since 2015. Trillions of dollars invested from contractors all over the world, many of the same people that built the, track and trace surveillance social credit system in China, where China also is, you know, basically at the top of the World Health Organization, at the top of the World Economic Forum, at the top of the UN by this point, that it's the same people that are involved in, what Trump is implementing here. And what I don't see is, okay.
Speaker 3:So we might get back our border. We might pull our troops out of the 800 ridiculous bases we have all over the world. God knows why. We might do all of that.
Speaker 1:But, also, Coke Coke will have real sugar.
Speaker 3:So Oh, yes.
Speaker 1:I mean
Speaker 3:I know. I know. Thank god. But to me, the scary part is I don't hear about the constitution, the bill of rights, or our sovereignty when it comes to cyberspace. And when you tell me that our department of defense and NATO are both making deals with Palantir, where is the break between The United States and NATO?
Speaker 3:Because, you know, you can give it to me on the border northern and southern border, and you can build your wall and put, you know, legal, immigration back in place, but that's not really the battlefield of the future. And the other thing is antithetical to, our constitution. Much of this has been erased because of the Patriot Act and then Eric Holder and, Obama weaponizing the Patriot Act and intelligence agencies and then going into a deal with the Five Eyes nations, which which you know, then when I think about the Five Eyes nations and their participation in Russiagate in the crossfire hurricane, because both Australia at the highest level and The UK at the highest level coordinated and were complicit with the Obama administration in the sinking of Trump. So, again, when when you say treason, treason's supposed to be aiding and abetting, you know, the enemy of The United States, and they say, oh, no. You didn't do that.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah. Uh-huh. If you did, team up with the global governance people, including in, the Five Eyes Nations, and Obama also opened up our tech companies to have sharing with the NSA and the DHS and and all these other blobs that came out of the Patriot Act, which I firmly believe was written to spy on us and had nothing to do with nine eleven. They just saw an opportunity to push it through after it had been rejected many times. But in in the realm that, we're talking about now, it's that I think that, Trump is, being handled or managed when it comes to thinking about the global public infrastructure, and that that is the the the end goal.
Speaker 3:The the most important thing to achieve agenda 2030 is to have the whole world on a global public infrastructure that they call interoperable, which means there are no borders. So, our borders on the ground, we can be distracted by that, but I'm not I'm not as nervous about the borders on the ground as I am about in cyberspace and the sharing between Palantir and multiple countries, including Israel, likely other countries like, you know, they, Bill Gates and, and Elon Musk and all these people that Zuckerberg, they do business in China. They do business in Russia. They do business in South America Brazil. So, you know, again, it's a it's a big distraction.
Speaker 3:And if the American people don't say, where's the constitution in what you're doing? Because the American people have not risen up since the Patriot Act to understand what the Patriot Act did to this country, made it a police state. And then, you know, we had we had Ray come in after the two criminals before him and basically say that there was an anti authority, anti government task force, and anyone that was suggested to be a domestic terrorist or basically in MAGA, could be put on a list. 3,000,000 people were put on that list, during the auto pen regime. And to me, okay, so Trump's in power now.
Speaker 3:But if you actually are gonna embark on this global public infrastructure and not ensure that it's totally separate from the rest of the world. And, you know, the next person down the line, Jasmine Crockett, comes in, and, she becomes a person of power or even, you know, the head of that takes Nancy Pelosi's position or whatever, you know, it's not it's going to be weaponized. What they're setting up is is exactly what agenda twenty thirty wants, which is, you know, full track and trace surveillance, basically, precrime, which a precrime through DARPA has been around a long time, and it was actually kind of pushed in during Bill Barr, and who I think is is also was also an operative. I don't think I don't know. I'm not sure about Durham, but certainly Barr was in on it.
Speaker 3:Pompeo was in on it. Gina Haspel was running the operation Crossfire Hurricane out of The UK until she until Pompeo brought her in to replace him. He goes to the state department. There's the CIA state department kind of nonsense. So to me, I just really think that the American people should be out there, in unison saying, you know what?
Speaker 3:The constitution and the bill of rights is antithetical to this agenda, this global agenda. And, the government of the United States without probable cause, without actual crimes committed or anything else is not entitled to all of our data to track and trace and surveil us, to watch where we go, what we do. This is this is the total opposite of why our founders created the constitution and The United States itself, which, of course, the biggest problem is that they also would like to, get rid of all religion. But right now, the controlled demolition of America folks, the globalist funding it, have teamed up with the Muslim Brotherhood, have teamed up with the socialist communists that are running the unions and and destroying our children's education. They've all teamed up to make sure that the color revolution to, regime change that failed so far, does not fail anymore.
Speaker 3:So we got a lot of tentacles here, and the most important one is the American people watching it happen and not asking the questions about privacy, about, the constitution, about, illegal search and seizure of my data, of what's going on in my home, of where I'm driving. Like, all of this stuff was implemented, and much of it was in the executive orders. So Trump pulled out of a lot of stuff. 30 executive orders dropped on the desk day one of Joe Biden. In those executive orders was much of the infrastructure that wasn't already in place in those deals.
Speaker 3:And we had John Podesta and John Kerry, running all this money under the guise of climate change, but I frankly think it was under the guise of building the global public infrastructure and the control grid. And like said, this new bill, the Genius Act, it says in there no CBDC without the the congress getting involved. Well, that's not good enough to me. And and, again, you know, we're seeing unlikely people come out and put in, you know, that they cannot end cash. They can't end cash.
Speaker 3:Like, we just saw Fetterman and, some other, Republican. They went in together and said, that they were putting in a bill to not end cash. Well, everyone should feel that way. You know? And everyone should feel that every transaction you do, every time you turn on your air conditioner, every time you unlock your door, you know, all of this stuff, there is no nobody's looking at data as personal property.
Speaker 3:And and I think that that's the problem, right now is that there's a big disconnect between sovereignty, liberty, auto determination, freedom, and cyberspace. It's as if that's because you can't see it, it's not a violation. And and to me, it is. And that's where I don't understand. I understand that the the, you know, the the resistance.
Speaker 3:But I'm talking about 80% of the American people right now should be aware that the constitution and bill of rights already is hanging on a a thread because of the unconstitutional patriot act and all the things put in after. But that the next jump of this to to basically that we all have these real IDs that could turn into digital wallet IDs while, you know, Palantir is, and Larry Ellison and his Skynet are talking about having everyone's health records and the ability to you know, everyone's education records. They're saying it, and I don't hear anyone saying, woah. That this this is all antithetical. Almost all of it is antithetical to the constitution Yeah.
Speaker 3:Bill of Rights.
Speaker 1:Well, you hear Thomas Massey coming out.
Speaker 3:America.
Speaker 1:He he's opposing the stuff, but then Trump completely turns against him, which is a strange, you know, as he's someone of the few politicians from, like, consistently, okay. Yeah. Almost everything this guy is is saying I agree with it makes sense. And now, you know, Trump is is trying to primary him and and get him out. It's just like, it's it's just it's hard to make sense of this all, and I'm glad that you mentioned, towards the end there that, you know, 80% of the American people don't I think really don't understand what hap what's happened to this country, and and probably actually even more.
Speaker 1:I mean, might even be far more than that, which I think is just is part of a, you know, Tavistock Institute, you know, even earlier, this, like, sixty, seventy year plus psychological operation. I think that really started with the boomers to get people focusing on the wrong things. And you look at right now, what the average person that you might see in the grocery stores, okay, what what are you focusing on right now? And like, well, the WNBA is really kind of interesting right now. What's happening, all the fighting within WNBA, and and this person, and, you know, the the celebrity gossip, and that they're still kind of caught up in the bread and circuses where, you know, like, kind of as I see it, it's you mentioned that the the constitution's hanging on to a thread.
Speaker 1:Like, our I think our country is hanging on, like, by a thread. I mean, it's it's it's been well, I think it's you know, fundamentally, it's because the American people have been so heavily targeted with the silent weapons for quiet wars, the distractions. You know, everything that's been done to us, the shipping off our young men to the war so they come back demoralized and atheists, you know, because they've just they've lost all hope. And we look around now, and it's like, is this the America that's gonna stand up against tyranny and resist, or is this the America that they'll say, hey. You know what?
Speaker 1:If you if you download your digital ID app on your phone, we'll give you a free month of Netflix. They'll be like, oh, okay. Great. Right? I know.
Speaker 1:That's concerning.
Speaker 3:And we don't know what apps actually have deals with the government because many do. And and
Speaker 1:there's a
Speaker 3:lot of this and and most people won't even admit to themselves that, DARPA and In Q Tel basically created all of these companies
Speaker 1:that now Facebook and oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Oh, totally. And and all of it under the guise of, oh, you can know when your friend's birthdays are and post pictures of your kids. That's not what it is. It's serve it's full surveillance.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And we've we've opened it eyes wide open. But at this point, to not see it or to at least think, well, I'm not doing anything wrong. Who cares if they have all my data? You know, another thing that I think we've talked about it before, but, there was a document that was released in December 2024 that confirmed MKUltra.
Speaker 3:It was about thirty, forty pages were released. A lot of it was destroyed by Gottlieb and Jolly and all the people that were involved at Kiena, the rest of them, but it never stopped. And the scariest part is that I was talking to a bunch of few survivors have found each other for whatever reason. If you were an MK Ultra, know, I guess, what would you call it? Patient or Victory.
Speaker 3:Experiment, and there were thousands. I mean, people have to understand this. This came right through operation paper clip. A lot of people we think were killed like Mangala. No.
Speaker 3:No. No. There's evidence that they were here, and they brought all that mind control they were doing and working on right into America, Fort Detrick, to Stanford, a lot of other places, Harvard. And what what I was what I when I was reading that, then I had on this doctor, Engel, who is survivor and now is is also a doctor. But we were talking about that the whole LSD and the and everything that they were experimenting with when they started down the path of dumbing down America and, you know, getting America distracted, taking away, you know, slowly but surely any pride and our history or everything, you know, 1984 talks about basically, that that transitioned into drugging children very young and and that there is a connection between MKULTRA LSD and other experiments and Prozac and drugging children very young.
Speaker 3:We know that under five years old, traumatic, sexual abuse or whatever is used to split personalities and stuff. But, there was way more than that going on. And what she was trying to tell me, and I believe, when I look at it, is that making it normal to alter the brain of children by synthetic drugs is not different than MK Ultra. It's it's really not. And then you put in, you know, all the shots and all of the, GMOs and all of whatever's going on in the sky and the that all of this is part of, like you're saying, to get people to be sheep.
Speaker 3:She was saying that the mentality of those that created MK Ultra and, you know, that basically run the world is that they're goats and all of humanity are sheep and that their job is to herd the sheep, particularly in America. So when I look at what's going on now, when I'm watching people be so uninterested in in losing their privacy or think that they're or, you know, for convenience, you know, giving their eye scans or their their footprints or whatever. You never committed a crime. You shouldn't be giving the government your fingerprints. You shouldn't be giving your retina scans.
Speaker 3:You never saw, you know, minority report. They have that technology. That's the point. And then, frankly, to see people like, billionaires like Ellison and, Sam Altman and, Elon Musk, these are people that, listening to Peter Thiel, these are people that are not, they don't have the same idea of god or humanity that I do. And and, frankly, even if you go back to Brzezinski, who they've convinced us his daughter is some kind of journalist, which is obviously not true as I believe most of the people in the media.
Speaker 3:I don't think Mockingbird ever ended. I think most of those people in the media were first trained at the CIA.
Speaker 1:I think a lot of them have podcasts now. They've they've Oh, yes. Think the podcast realm is not being co opted, infiltrated heavily 100%. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. Which is why
Speaker 1:we stick together because we know. Right?
Speaker 3:Exactly. But, you know, I've been banned from YouTube. A lot of people got back, got back their YouTubes for five years, but then I just saw they got rid of 10,000 YouTube channels last week that were considered Russian or Chinese propaganda. And you're like, where the why don't why don't we look at the own our own propaganda people and kick them off? Because Google is a partner of the World Economic Forum.
Speaker 3:Microsoft is a partner of the World Economic Forum. Oh, it's it's benign. No. It's not. And and and the the investments are already were already made before Trump even got there financially, in my opinion.
Speaker 3:So to me, I think that we have to also realize that, the remote learning from the pandemic do people think that, we locked down the country and suddenly there was remote learning for the entire country ready to go? No. It was planned. It's all it's the world curriculum. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 3:It's this is how they do it. And as soon as we locked down, you know, every child kinda shifted to remote learning, and parents didn't ask, where's their data going? Who's running this remote learning? It was about five, six companies, all partners of the UN World Economic Forum, all multinational corporations running it. But our children had have dossiers on them all.
Speaker 3:Every child that went on to, remote learning has a dossier. Well, where is that living, and and what is the point of it? And and, again, I'm I'm just saying it's the long march to the end of nation states. And and the one if they get rid of us, it's over for every every nation state as far as I can see in any kind of real way. You might still have a border.
Speaker 3:You might still say that you're France or Germany or, you know, wherever you are, you know, Kenya or Brazil. But no. No. No. If the if The United States gets completely on the global public infrastructure that everyone else is on, there are no nation states.
Speaker 3:And, again, they also turned America not into a producing and an industrial society, which is go was the goal, into a consumer society that the whole rest of the world needs us as buyers. So when Trump's doing his thing with the tariffs, which I actually do like, what is really happening is they're trying to make it fair. But then when you find out that wait. What what are you You're saying that The Philippines wasn't accepting products from America? You're telling me that Vietnam was in a I mean, all these countries, all this time since the German Marshall Fund that we were paying for were not reciprocating with us.
Speaker 3:We were not selling our goods there. We now we can sell beef to Australia. We weren't allowed. You know, it's just it's so crazy how deceived, manipulated, and dumbed down, the people of The United States Of America were done in a master plan way that is not a conspiracy theory. You can prove it through our school system.
Speaker 3:But at the same time, you know, here we are. And, you know, everyone thought you and I didn't because we are more humanity and god and faith and family and all the things that the the people came here and fought for to have this new new nation, this constitutional republic was about, above all else, individual liberty. And I I don't think people even know what these things mean. I don't I don't think they understand the beauty of the constitution and the bill of rights and how much we've allowed it to be destroyed. And and, frankly, I'm starting to also think that, you can't get money for to run for office unless they are sure that they can control you.
Speaker 3:I don't think any because when you talk to I'm going to DC tomorrow. When you talk to these people in DC, even people you and I think know everything, they don't. They don't even know half as much as we know. And and even if they do, they've been you know, it's funny. Tulsi Gabbard came on my show, a while ago, and she said and I asked her about it, about lobbying because I think lobbying should be totally illegal, particularly from foreign countries.
Speaker 3:And I I said that to her, and she said, you know, when she went to DC, she promised she to herself that she wasn't gonna take any lobbying money. And when she got there, people were angry that she she wasn't gonna do that. And how could you not you have to. You have to, pick an owner, basically, if you're gonna be in DC and in the government. And and that's where we are.
Speaker 3:And then as we're watching this, we have the Democratic Socialists of America, which should not be able to run for office because they are a full communist group, and they are the entire squad. This Muslim brotherhood, Democrat Socialist of America is about to be mayor of New York City, and we have one of them in Chicago, LA. I believe we're good probably gonna have one in Cleveland. And and what I'm saying is that these all these groups, it's the Rich Higgins memo, if you know about that. He this this Rich Higgins in the first term of Trump bravely wrote a memo about the the collaboration between the globalists, the Marxist communists, and the Muslim brotherhood to take down Trump.
Speaker 3:And and I I believe that that is the model still, and yet there's 300,000,000 Americans that would not be okay with this if they even knew it. And and yet I don't I don't know how to break through the veil of sixty years of MKUltra.
Speaker 1:You know, I haven't read this yet. I'll have to give this a read, this memo.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's you you won't even believe it's almost exactly what happened. And then Rich Higgins died. I wanted to I I when I first found the memo, like, three or four years ago, I reached out to general Flynn, and I said, oh, I wanna talk to this guy, and he just passed away.
Speaker 1:And Ironically.
Speaker 3:And and what's so crazy is he everything he wrote in that memo is exactly the model. Wow. The model. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 3:And and McMaster, he turned he gave it in to Trump, and McMaster fired him. Crazy. So there were a lot of complex people in Trump's first term that were all in on the Obama plan that they set into motion between August, I I would say, of 2016 that kicked off, that then continued with the, because we we should all admit right now that the Mueller Weisman investigation was a total and complete fraud on the American people. What Mueller and Weisman and the the putting in of Mueller as a special counsel was the ultimate roadblock to Trump finding out what was really going on in Europe, in Ukraine, and Russia. And and that was all planned.
Speaker 3:It was all good to go. The neocon since, of course, the project for a new American century, that didn't change. And we had the American Enterprise Institute on the right all for this, and then on the left, center for American progress, and then all the billionaire NGOs all in on it. And and, frankly, you know, people like McMaster, people like Pompeo, certainly, the military guys, Millie, Chris Ray, all these people were in on it. So and in on what?
Speaker 3:It's not about Trump. In on America is not taking another direction. We've we've planned this for seventy years. We got into these positions complicit. Again, you know, the murder of JFK.
Speaker 3:From that point on, everyone covered it up. Every FBI, CIA, NSA, all those people. It was not just the JFK. They cover up everything. It turns out our intelligence agency was only intelligence to protect each other from the long game.
Speaker 3:And, and we've seen a lot of promotions. Like, you know, people now, you know, ask about Merrick Garland's past. Ask about, you know, Oklahoma City. He was there. You know?
Speaker 3:You're telling me Weissman and Ray both worked on Enron, which is a weird story. So if you put together some of these people that rose to the top of the intelligence agencies and the DOJ, they have shady past. I mean, Eric Holder should never have been able to be attorney general because he ran he did a a armed, basically, riot when he was a student at Columbia University. You know? Like, I mean, it's just, they were all weather underground, acolytes.
Speaker 3:To hear that Obama, when he was a community organizer working with Bill Ayers, got $50,000,000 to reinvent education from Annenberg, like, it's just you you think in your head, oh my god. Well, how many people really did come here after World War two? They're saying now, like, we heard originally, like, few thousand. No. No.
Speaker 3:No. Like, 12,000. And and I I look forward I'm glad Grassley's looking into this, but I don't think that people have even put together together the the the complete and total looting, lying, manipulating of of the American people on such a grand scale, until now. And and it's pretty it's day is late.
Speaker 1:It is. Well, that's why it's so important that the American people wake up, which is why you and I do what we do. Let me bring up your website as we're closing out here. The melkayshow.com. I highly recommend it.
Speaker 1:There's one page I will point out, resources. You it should be it should be the constitutional duty of the American people to understand what's happening in this country, and Mel Kay has made that very easy for you. So you go to resources tab, and here you go.
Speaker 3:Tell you what. On that resources tab, if you hit right there, go down a little. If you if you can hit on it the other way. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:Oops. Sorry.
Speaker 3:See that Trump, right there. See the legal filings, Trump versus Hillary Clinton? That actually is a lawsuit that Trump filed in 2022 and was, and is still out there. It lays out the entire everyone that was involved, and then it see it has John Doe
Speaker 1:Kristieger Steele.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It has everyone.
Speaker 1:John Podesta.
Speaker 3:Talking about now. Look. Glenn Simpson, Nelly Orr, but it has a John Doe one through 10, and it and it looks like journalists one through 10. And this actually document really lays out exactly what happened, proving that Donald Trump knew about everything that happened behind the scenes. This document, you can't not read it and know that he knew everything, and yet here we are.
Speaker 3:And Bill Barr nor Pompeo nor Ratcliffe in his first term, did anything about it. And then they allowed for the transition integrity project and the globalist to basically, run a coup on Trump, not allow him to figure out what was going on in Ukraine and the post USSR Russia. You know, there was also George Soros is the one who wrote in on his own website the NATO world order in 1993 and how, you know, it was the Soros world order. And and I believe Soros to be just a front for the international banking cartel or one of them. But, you know, that's what we're dealing with.
Speaker 3:But the American people have to really go inside and say, well, what is liberty? What is what is auto determination? What is so if you if people go and look at that, it's a total blueprint for a future that is basically why they're going into World War three now, the long game. And it says even in that document that they'll use NATO to do it. And here we are, basically, that they'll use the bodies of the NATO countries to do
Speaker 1:it. Crazy.
Speaker 3:You know, to me, the long game's easy to prove. Getting the American people to have righteous indignation that they pulled this off on our country, our parents, our children, and our future is where we can all meet in the middle, and yet, they are still he could have reversed the Smith Modernization Act day one. He could have reversed the International Immunities Act from 47 day one. Both of those things would have done a lot to dismantle some of this stuff. And then if we're wondering why people haven't been indicted yet from some of these organizations, I think it's because they have immunity, and we don't even know about it.
Speaker 3:I can't even I can't even figure out if the Bill Melinda Gates Foundation have immunity or the Open Society, but I wouldn't be surprised if somehow they pulled off to have that as one of the tentacles. All of the central banks, including the Fed, have immunity through the Bank of International Settlements. The UN, all the tentacles have it. So at this point, what we what we have allowed them to create is a, like I said, is is ability to capture nations through these organizations and banking institutions. And America's standing here right now, and I like what's going on.
Speaker 3:I like that they're looking at the Fed. I like Bassett a lot. I like some of these people, but that Donald Trump is not at least acknowledging that there's a real problem with Eric Schmidt and Bill Gates and and Larry Ellison and all these people being involved in the global public infrastructure worldwide, having contracts with America and not showing me where the sovereignty of our country is in cyberspace, is a real problem.
Speaker 1:It is. It absolutely is. So we have to get this information out. Right? Which, again, share this content.
Speaker 1:The milk the email kay show dot com, go there, listen to your show. We have to get we have to say that we have to get more people, more American people saying, look, I'm done. I'm done. I I I'm not gonna go along with this. And so, you know, thank you for everything that you're doing.
Speaker 1:Thank you for giving me your time, and putting up with my my froggy voice today.
Speaker 3:No. No. I you have a very busy life, but I appreciate it. And I just want people to be empowered by the truth. Find the truth, you know, get your own get your own head together because I think the more that we reject all of this stuff individually, the more it will be
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Possible to defeat it. But people have to stick with their own idea of liberty and freedom and privacy and live that life that leads them towards that individually. And if we can get even, you know, four or 5% of the country to just say, no. We're not we're not going into that. That's antithetical to everything our country stands for.
Speaker 3:No. And just opting out because I don't think it can be saved in DC. Our country can only be saved by individuals deciding not to participate.
Speaker 1:Exactly. And to me, it goes down boils down to one thing, which is God gave me unalienable rights, and no government will take those away. And then that's where I stand. So, Mel, thank you. It's always a pleasure speaking to you.
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