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A podcast that holds horror to standards horror never agreed to. Hosts Jeremy Whitley, Ben Kahn, Emily Martin and guests watch, read, listen to, and check out movies, tv shows, comics, books, art and anything else from the horror genre and discuss it through a progressive lens. We'll talk feminism in horror, LGBTQ+ issues and representation in horror, racial and social justice in horror, disability and mental health/illness in horror, and the work of female and POC directors, writers, and creators in horror.
We're the podcast horror never agreed to take part in.
Emily: Okay,
Jeremy: You guys wanna go ahead and start?
Ben: I.
Emily: let's rock and roll.
Jeremy: Welcome to Progressively Horrified
the podcast where we hold horror to
progressive standards it never agreed to.
we're talking about one of the
most influential for good or ill
hoarder directors of recent history.
M Knights Shalon.
be discussing his work more broadly
but specifically, We're gonna be
talking about his new film, A Knock
at the Cabin, mostly because we have
talked old to death at this point.
I am your host Jeremy Whitley.
And with me tonight I have
a panel of chil and cites.
First, they're here to challenge the
sexy werewolf, sexy vampire binary.
My co-host Ben Kahn.
Ben, how are you tonight?
Ben: I know he's very strong, but man,
it must have been the shoulder exercise
of a lifetime for Dave Batista to carry
this whole fucking movie On his back,
Emily: John Graff does
a fantastic job too.
Okay.
Jeremy: fine.
Dave Petista.
Dave
Petista.
Ben: Graf's haircut, and then
I could think about nothing
Steve: Oh,
Ben: the rest of the
Steve: same.
Emily: Uh, Well listen,
Ben: Most.
Emily: not his fault.
Ben: Fucking two thousands of emo boy
haircut on very grown man, Jonathan Craw.
Incredible.
Jeremy: Dave Petista is the mvp.
He's the Michael Jordan here, but that
little girl is the Scotty Pippen of
this movie cause she's,
Emily: Right.
Yeah, yeah,
yeah.
Jeremy: ahead of everybody else.
Ben: Yeah.
Jeremy: yeah.
And uh, Ole Cino bytes
are co-host Emily Martin.
How are you tonight, Emily?
Emily: I remember, a time when
Emai Shalon made a good movie.
This is not that time.
Jeremy: year
Emily: Um,
Jeremy: A one nine.
Ben: I, I truly can't tell this
movie wasn't any way good or if I'm
just judging it as better than old.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: And that's
Emily: yeah, yeah.
No.
Ben: fucking bar that's
ever goddamn existed.
Emily: And yes, this
movie is better than old.
I will say that.
Kev: Yeah.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Ben: dip I like this.
Or is this a Justice League Snyder
cut thing where it just had to
be better than the theatrical cut
Jeremy: Listen,
Ben: review.
Jeremy: I watched this on Peacock
and there were commercials before
it that were better than old.
So, uh, and our guest night comics,
writer and editor noted fan of
knocking before entering Kevin Ketner.
Kev, how are you?
Kev: I'm in a weird head space
because I had to watch this movie for
this podcast and then I got excited
for the podcast cuz I needed to
talk to somebody about this movie.
So I'm in a very weird place
right now, but otherwise great.
I'm just glad I don't
have to talk about old.
Ben: I, I mean
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Kev, and so thank you
so much for coming on to talk
about fucking this movie.
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Ben: a real string of like good
movies and while I like watching good
movies, there's a certain sense of,
Hey, let's talk about how this movie
succeeded at what it was trying to do.
It's been a while since we've had
a good movie where I'm like, Hey,
I've got some fucking questions
Jeremy: yeah.
This, this movie uh, leaves more
questions than it answers, and to
help us answer those questions, we
also have our second guest host of
talking comics, our friend and frequent
guest, Steve, say, Steve, how are you?
Steve: I am feeling lied to Jeremy.
That's how I'm doing.
many, many, many, many, many,
many people I work in film.
I, I do, I do news.
I, I travel in the circles of a
lot of film geeks and unwanted
opinions on the internet about film
on the daily, five days a week.
Everyone led me to believe
that this was the one.
This was Shalan coming back, swinging.
He hasn't done anything
like this in a while.
lied to me when the visitors came out.
They really lied to me.
Apparently I haven't seen it yet,
but based on the temperature of the
room when old came out, and I was
excited knock at the cabin that I keep
confusing with cabin in the woods.
Emily: Which is better.
Steve: yes,
Ben: Yeah,
Steve: here we,
Ben: would much rather watch
cabin in the woods for sure.
Steve: yes.
Ben: we didn't love Cabin in the woods.
Steve: No, much like I did
not love Knock at the cabin.
Ben: No,
Steve: I was, I, I think I sat and
stunned silence for about the first
three and a half minutes of the credits.
Just mouth a gap.
Robin, like, are you okay?
Did you, are you, are you, do
I have to call an ambulance?
And I snapped out of it
and I'm like, no, no, no.
just, just don't know what to think.
Emily: The
movie can concuss you.
Ben: lot of thoughts about there being
discretion shots for every act of
violence except the anti-gay hate crime.
Steve: Yep.
Ben: That
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: we have to experience
multiple times actually.
Emily: Oh my God.
Jeremy: yeah.
Emily: yeah, we're gonna talk about.
Jeremy: me um, I, I'm, I decided
to do the recap on this one.
I started writing it and then just quit.
Ben: The right co.
I'm pretty sure that's how the
script writing process went too.
Jeremy: yeah, so as we said,
it is directed by Mite Shalan.
It is written,
Ben: by Mite Shalan
Jeremy: written by Paul Tremble
Mite Shalan and Steve Desmond.
I feel like if you took like a line
by line detector on this, you could
tell which lines Mite Shaalan wrote.
Ben: refused to believe.
Paul Tremble is a real person that's
absolutely mite Sha Milan's pen
name, but then he just couldn't
help putting his real name on it.
A also,
Kev: I, actually listened to a podcast
where Tremble was talking about like,
Ben: I stand corrected
Kev: yeah, yeah, But he, he, he got a
phone call from Shalon who was like,
these are the changes I'm making.
And he was like, well, you
paid for it, so go ahead.
Like, he was, he was very
diplomatic about those changes.
But it's my impression that there were
like two people who wrote a version
of the script and then it got into
Shaman's hand and he was just like,
well, I'm gonna rewrite all the dialogue
in a way that no human being can
actually say them with a straight face.
Ben: except, but except
Batista fucking dies.
Emily: Well, it,
Kev: he did a very admirable job.
But there are just times where it's
just like, you know, that he was
like, can I change this a little?
Make it flow like a
person would say it and
Jeremy: listen,
Kev: just like, nah, dude, if
Jeremy: Dave Batista.
Dave Batista words for Vince
McMahon for like 15 years.
He is used to saying things that
no human being should ever say and
trying to make them sound serious,
Kev: Extremely fair.
Ben: I feel like signed on
for this movie with the idea
like, this is gonna be my flex.
I'm gonna show people I'm so good.
Not even can throw me off my game.
Kev: this is, this
Emily: yeah, that's,
that's for real.
Kev: this is his equivalent of when
the rock signed on for Southlands.
Steve: I think one of the, one of
the reasons that Batista signed on
to begin with was because of the
amount of speaking time that he has,
Emily: Yeah,
Steve: up until now, at least
on the more serious side of
the spectrum, I mean, I think
he does quite a,
Ben: did this to get footage
for his fucking acting reel.
Steve: there you
go.
Emily: there you go.
Yeah.
Kev: he wants to get that romcom.
Emily: for him.
Good for him.
Ben: he should get.
Emily: He absolutely should get, but
Ben: fucking tell me.
Batista wasn't born to
wear like a comfy sweater.
Have little glasses and own
a cute bookshop in the city.
Emily: they have that
in blade Runner 2049.
It's just, instead of
books, he's selling shrimp.
But
Ben: She's gonna be fucking
like nine and adorable
Emily: yeah,
it's good.
Ben: who is not green lighting this movie?
Come the fuck on.
Emily: So, but I do think that
it is remarkable, therefore,
able to be remarked upon that.
Bautista is delivering his lines
if he did have a gun to his head
which works for a movie where
everybody in the movie is desperate.
At least, you know, they made
the best that they could out
of a desperate situation.
Jeremy: Yeah, that's, so let me, let
me go ahead and do the, the recap here.
It does start, as we said, Dave
Petista, also Jonathan Gruff.
Aldridge, who is making a career
out of being a handsome gay love
interest Nikki Amberg and Rupert gr.
That's right.
Ron
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: and he's got an accent or two.
Ben: If, if you ever wanted to see
Ron Weasley get his face punched
in, boy do I have the movie for you.
Jeremy: yeah, so, uh, he, the number
of characters in this movie are from
the same part of New England as Stephen
Strange, because they have the same
American accent that he does, which
is just talking quietly and kind of
mumbling except for occasionally.
Rupert Group remembers that he's
supposed to be from Boston delivers
like two loins like this and then
goes back to mumbling quietly.
So
say what you will about this movie.
saves a lot of time at the beginning.
Ben: Accent training was he watched
the town on the plane ride to the set
Emily: Well he did,
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: I can do it.
Got it.
Emily: he played a Massachusetts guy
in that the dreams in the witch house,
the, in the cabinet of curiosities,
I believe it was a Massachusetts guy.
I can't remember much, but he was
also like on drugs the whole time.
And the character was so,
but I mean, he was still.
his
best.
Ben: Acting Emily,
Emily: I,
Ben: but
Emily: I'm,
Ben: results.
Emily: listen, if he's okay, he is okay.
Just as long as the drugs weren't white.
Jeremy: Sure.
Okay, so say what you will.
The movie saves a lot of time
by not bothering to establish
anything at the beginning, but going
back and doing flashbacks later.
It's just like there's a girl named Win.
She's at a cabin in the woods.
It's nice, it's remote.
A man the size of a monster truck and
a business shirt walks up to her and
is like, Hey I just wanna be your buddy
and we're gonna catch some crickets.
As the conversation goes on, she reveals
that she's there with her two dads.
Eric played by Jonathan Graff and
Andrew played by Ben Aldridge.
And the large man whose name is
Leonard, played by Dave Batista, has
come there with three other people.
Sabrina played by Nikki Amca, BYD Redmond
played by Rupert Gr, and Adrian played
by Abby Quinn to invade their home and
have a perfectly reasonable conversation
with them about how if they don't
sacrifice one of the three people in
their family, the world is going to end
through a series of three plagues, which
is not a number of plagues that people,
or I guess four plagues, which is not a
number of plagues that we normally use.
It is a number of horsemen that they
have and could be thing if they wanted
to establish that they were horsemen or
do any sort of, Fulfilling any of the,
like, things that this movie promises,
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: don't.
gonna bust through this thing
here because the thing is the
rest of the movie is nothing.
They, they tell them that the world
is going to end one plague at a time.
If they don't choose to kill one of the
three of them, the four strangers that are
there to tie them up and be all aggressive
and tell them that the world is ending
don't know each other, have just gotten
some sort of visions that are telling
them that the world is going to end.
And they have to come to this cabin
and make one of these people kill
each other in order to save it.
How these visions work is unclear
and never really visited too much.
In fact, they just ask enough
questions to make it really shitty.
They proceed to then every time that
they won't kill one of themselves,
somebody from the group of strangers
that has locked them in there themself
gets killed by the other people.
I don't know if they're being forced to do
it, if their bodies are being controlled.
It's a little unclear why these
people are killing themselves.
And in fact, there is one like real big
logical problem in this where they're
all talking about how they've seen
all of these visions of how things are
going to happen and that everything
is happening the exact way it is.
And Abby gives a or sorry, Adrian
gives a line about how she's seen her
Son die in her arms as he's consumed
by fire, but also she dies by getting
hit in the head by an ax in the cabin.
So that's not at all what happens.
So the visions clearly
are missing some spots.
They go through the other people
eventually they, they break out.
They cause Sabrina's
death by shooting her.
And then, they still refuse to kill
one of them until Batista's like, man,
I'm gonna go ahead and kill myself.
And after that, you guys are gonna have
a real short time to like save the world.
and so he does kill himself.
Finally, Jonathan Graff decides that he
should be the one to be off so that their
child can continue to have a nice life in
a world where not everybody else is dead.
And then,
Emily: Most of them.
Jeremy: yeah, and then the d then when
and her other dad leave there proceeds
to be way too much shit at the end of
this movie where they drive away and
hear a song on the radio and go to a
diner and then they drive away again.
And there's more stuff.
It's M Night.
Shalin does not know when to end a
movie and somebody needs to teach him.
Ben: Okay.
Yes, that ending.
Jeremy: there are so many, there are
so many problems in this movie that I
just wanna let us go ahead and like,
Discuss, bring up the things that don't
work in this, rather than me trying to
break down every issue in this, in the,
the,
Ben: just
Jeremy: this part.
Ben: the ending, cuz he actually
had a legitimate funny moment.
Like turned the radio to like, they
turn on the car, the radio happens
to be playing the song they were
all dancing to earlier in the movie.
traumatized.
Dad turns it off.
When moment of silence when turns it
back on, fucking cut the credits there.
That's a
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: funny ending.
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: One of my biggest beefs is
cutting away from Boogie shoes and
then going to the most bland score I've
ever
Emily: Right,
Ben: the fuck was
Emily: right.
Like just end it.
Just end it with Boogie shoes.
Coward.
Kev: Yeah.
Ben: do you fade
Emily: it.
Steve: You paid for it.
Kev: Mm-hmm.
Emily: I know, right.
Ben: what?
that's your ending.
Kev: Yeah.
Ben: there.
It's there.
What are you doing?
Mite.
Emily: Can you imagine being
a creator of some kind of ip?
And then you find out that like,
universal Pictures has picked it
up, like it's picked up and then
there's a fucking, there's a script
being written, it's being shopped.
You're all excited, and then you,
and then it's like, it's happening.
It the, you know, it's gonna happen
and it's mite shalon, and like,
you're, you're like, I'm too fucking,
like, I don't know what I would do.
Like
Ben: Drink and be like and drink and
rationalize it with petista love.
Emily: I mean, if it, I don't
know if Batista is gonna be in it.
Kev: I think that the thing you have
to take away from that is that you're
guaranteed to make a killing in book
sales, and then every, and anybody
who reads it will know that you come
away clean and that the decisions that
make no sense weren't your decisions.
Emily: Yeah.
I think that that's a
really important lesson.
And I think, you know, like the thought
process of that, know, especially
with like, when people get to that
point with that, with the adaptation
point, you know, there's a lot of
excitement and a lot of like, optimism.
But you do have to, that this is
a possibility that something like
this could happen to your ip, and
Ben: sure.
Ken.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: question for,
Emily: Yes.
Ben: it's Sam night, was them being
the four horsemen of the apocalypse,
was that supposed to be a twist and not
Kev: I don't,
I don't think.
Ben: of the movie that's very
obvious from the beginning.
Emily: Well, the best.
They make it text like they dude,
straight up barrels a camera and he
is like, they're the four horsemen
of the apocalypse, even though they
also represent the various aspects
of humanity, like this one bad thing.
And then these three good things.
And then they're also the four H.
I'm like, choose one.
Fucking
Ben: God,
Emily: choose
one.
Ben: The, four aspects of Humanity.
These fucking four absolute
Emily: those four.
Ben: aspects I pulled outta my ass,
Emily: And I'm like,
Ben: Healing Guidance Captain Planet.
Emily: yeah, heart.
I mean,
Kev: I don't know that that was
supposed to be the twist, but
Emily: I don't think it was.
Kev: I don't think that, I don't know
that he was really aiming for one, because
if he was, he didn't really get there.
But the most potential one, I think
was the discovery that it was all real.
Steve: the stuff in the back seat.
Ben: Oh, I never doubted for a second
Kev: Yeah.
Ben: was
Kev: But that's, that's exactly my point.
There isn't no point in this
movie, I don't know if it's just
like whatever I no point was.
I like, oh, I, I wonder if this
is actually happening or if
these are just crazy people.
At no point did I ever question
that the apocalypse was coming.
I just knew it was coming.
Like,
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: it's a huge flaw with this movie.
Ben: and
Emily: And,
Ben: because like, oh, well the logic was,
Kev: No, no.
Ben: I was convinced by.
of the actors.
No, it just, I fucking know Mite
and there's no way mite would ever
make a movie about the apocalypse,
where it's not the apocalypse.
Emily: and
The,
Kev: need to like make sure, you know,
Emily: yeah.
Kev: me tell you for sure
that this is what happening.
It's like, you know, if you left something
ambiguous, it might be interesting.
Emily: Yeah.
And we don't
need to,
Ben: trilogy lady in the water.
Now.
This shit I assume I haven't seen that.
Shalon is kind of obsessed
with savior figures.
Emily: yeah.
Except in this one, like, and
we talked about this in pregame.
The, it's a logic.
It's a logic problem
that doesn't make sense.
It's not the logic, it's, it's
not the tram problem or whatever.
I mean, I feel like he,
he heard about the tram
problem
Ben: One more day is what it fucking is.
Emily: and like, but also.
It's basically like, what if, I
mean, it's the same problem that
Jeremy had with the witch is like,
all of the crazy bullshit is real.
Like, it's not just people being crazy.
Like you didn't kill the gay fast enough.
Like, you, like God, said in order to
avert the fall of mankind, these people,
one of whom did a hate crime, to make
one of these gays kill the other one.
This is God's, one of the sweetest gays
in the world, and you have to find him.
And also like, okay, he presents
this question to the family,
Ben: be the Jewish disconnect
because that absolutely sounds like
some shit God would pull to me.
Emily: right?
Ben: in character for God.
Emily: Well, it sounds character for God,
Ben: percent feels like
the bullshit nonsense rules
Emily: but not,
Ben: up for the apocalypse.
Emily: I mean, yeah, this
is some old Testament shit.
Sure.
Like this is, and also like Andrew,
Eric, like I, yeah, I get it.
But the also you,
Jeremy: should have
Emily: you,
Jeremy: Adam and Steve.
Emily: Adam, right?
They basically did, this is like a
mid-size sedan kinda situation too.
I'm like, y'all ain't fooling anybody.
You don't know what the fuck you're doing.
But so they, they're like, we're
gonna present this problem to you.
We the force horsemen of apocalypse,
except we're not gonna commit to
that metaphor because that would
actually be cool if we did and then
didn't like say anything about it.
Just be like, oh, we, we respect
your intelligence audience.
No, they don't do that.
But let me just see if I can
stay on topic here with this one.
Ben: Oh,
Jeremy: Get, get it out
Emily: don't gimme that look.
Don't gimme that look.
Ben: Let's see how we do.
Emily: They say here three
people, one of whom is a barely
like out of toddler age child.
What are you going to choose?
We're gonna let you all choose.
No, they are asking one of these
husbands to kill the other one.
Cuz you know that is not the
movie that they are going to like,
gonna be that dark, you know?
Ben: Wen had decided to be a participant?
What if Wen had Chantel be like,
Hey I actually do have a part, like
a preference for which TA dies.
If it ca if it matters
to the conversation,
Emily: Yeah.
And
Ben: if Wen actively used her
voting power in this scenario
Emily: I was just watching
this movie.
Yeah.
This, I was,
Ben: I can tell you it would've
involved a lot of dialogue that would
never come out of a child's mouth.
Emily: that's true.
I mean, all of the dialogue
wouldn't, like, I mean, I.
We're already in this movie.
Ben: I could, when, is just explaining the
concept of gay marriage to Dave Batista.
All I could see was like fucking
M Night at his computer thinking.
He's like, yep, I'm explaining gay.
I'm explaining gay love through
the eyes of a child thinking
he's fucking crushing it.
Emily: Oh my God.
He is like, I'm so fucking woke right now.
Ben: How he wrote the rest of the script
after like the wrist injuries he must have
had after patting himself on the back.
Emily: I know.
He was like, okay, I'm woke.
We have agreed that I'm woke now.
know, I'm woke.
Now I'm gonna basically say barrier gaze.
And this is why, like this
is
Ben: Leonard is a thousand percent a
Twitter user because he is got that habit
of like preconditioning everything he
says account for how everyone would take
it the wrong way and be mad at him on
Steve: Ouching everything.
Yeah.
Emily: Yes.
Yes.
Jeremy: I wanna say the thing that gets
me about this movie, I mean, there's a
lot of things, there's some issues, there
are some issues to be had, but I think
that the thing that gets me is they try
to play this like, Twist halfway through
of like, the reason that Andrew is not
willing to go through with it, despite
the like signs that things are going
poorly, that he's shorted some kind
of like conspiracy that these people
have targeted them specifically because
they're, you know, gay men and, and that
like, that's why they're doing this.
It feels like, as somebody who writes
scripts a moment where you would be
like, okay, I have to go back and
remember to like, things in this story
would, he would add together to make him
think, okay, this doesn't make sense.
But then they forgot
to put those things in.
Because there are like several moments
where like, a lot of this stuff is pretty
obvious or this stuff could be cleared up.
because like he, like he's, he frequently
points out that like Batista keeps
checking his watch and like they turn on
the TV at certain times because they know
this pre-programming is gonna be on there
about these things that are going on.
And the TV has a remote, you can change
channels and see if it's on other channels
as well, like, If, if this stuff is
happening, then that would be the case.
Nevermind the fact that like the
first, I guess the first plague
is like a whole bunch of kids
getting sick and like the way that
they report it is one very casual.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: and two is like, yes,
Ben: okay.
Jeremy: a huge pandemic has developed
with, you know, these symptoms over
the past 45 seconds since, like,
Steve: Okay.
Jeremy: happened in the
movie.
Steve: C, can I jump in for just a second?
Ben: always jump in.
Steve: Okay.
Ben: You are wonderful.
Steve: I,
Ben: in always and forever.
Emily: Yeah.
Steve: you're, you're beautiful.
What is the thing that Keanu Reeve says?
Emily: You're worthy of my grace.
Jeremy: No,
Emily: that's what Karu says.
That's what Karu says.
My bad.
You're breathtaking.
That's right.
Steve: it.
You're breathtaking.
Okay.
So I can accept that maybe they know
when the newscasts are going to happen.
They know what channel to
tune into because they've all,
you know, supposedly seen it.
And maybe I'm behind on my news
watching cuz I don't have cable and
haven't for probably close to 10 years,
but, All this, all the reporting, all
this stuff did happen awfully fast,
Emily: Yeah.
Steve: they took someone out and
basically were like, well, that's done.
Let's watch tv.
And everyone had the details of
every plague that was happening
with live footage from people.
It just seemed a movie
where there's a lot.
That was a lot.
Ben: they
Emily: Oh yeah.
Ben: footage of a tsunami
Steve: Yeah.
The
Kev: Okay.
Steve: thing.
Kev: Okay.
That's
Ben: the tsunami
Kev: not only that.
Not only that, but think about that.
This is what I was talking about
when I was like implying before
we started, the thing that drove
me absolutely insane is like we've
obtained this footage of the tsunami.
The tsunami comes, crashes over them,
then there's underwater footage.
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: where did they get this footage from
Emily: Is it like live transmitted,
Kev: But like how did you even
Emily: not sucked out,
Ben: is
Kev: all you have to do?
Ben: while underwater?
Kev: Right.
That's the thing.
It's like, that's the thing that drives me
absolutely insane about this movie is take
the extra 30 seconds to think about it.
Be, oh, here was someone was live
streaming while this happened, and
then cut it before it goes underwater.
It doesn't make like just that extra
step of making it so like if I'm being
tied up and told this is happening,
maybe I would start to think this
is a conspiracy that they have
professional a tsunami taking me out.
That they were somehow able
to dig up and put on the air.
Emily: Well this shit is so
porous that like fucking Andrew
explains Ben, you go first.
Ben: can we get an Oscar for this
doctor with the most chill, casual
delivery about like, hey, almost
two hours without any dead kids.
Emily: Yeah.
Like
Kev: Yeah.
Emily: that okay.
Because, and here's another thing.
Ben: averted apocalypse
and the diner is corny.
The word it felt really fucking corny.
Emily: it is, is forced, it is contrived.
There's a lot of art words that
I have heard at critiques that
have frozen our hearts as artists
who have tried to make something
like, look, that you can look at.
And those, all of those apply, know, okay.
Jeremy: whole discussion just makes
me wanna see a found footage movie
made by N Night Shalon, where like
the camera isn't shaky and for some
reason it's always shooting the action.
No, no one's ever running from
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: just like
Emily: Yeah.
It's found footage by professional
camera people that have a sound
guy and like impossible shots.
Ben: I
Jeremy: yeah.
Ben: also just like underpinning
Angelo, like this is nothing
but like they're targeting us.
It's a hate crime is, kind of undermined
by the fact that never, ever in the
history of all of human racism has there
ever been a hate crime attack where the
hate crime broke into a house, tied up
the target of their hate, and then just
started killing themselves instead.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: That's
Emily: It's like,
Ben: the history of racism.
That's never happened.
Steve: I hate
Kev: Yeah.
Steve: that.
Emily: it's like the worst, it is the
worst manipulation that these fucking
bigots come in here are like, you
have to do the hate crime instead.
But, so for Andrew,
Ben: it has to be the, like, it has
to be visions of the apocalypse bec.
It has to be real because nothing
else makes a lick of goddamn sense.
Emily: even then, like
all of, I mean, the.
The newscast makes absolutely no sense.
Andrew is
100% right.
Ben: little sense.
Emily: Yeah.
Like Andrew's a hundred percent right.
And he's like, timed this, this
isn't a, you know, whether it's
an attack or not, it still can be.
Like, and that's the thing is that night.
is an experience of all of this kind
of shit in the last 15 years it has
Ben: Okay.
Emily: And I know you're trying to
make a comment about that, but you
also have all of like the, the entirety
of humanity, their experience of this
happening on social media, on the scene
Ben: Okay.
I'm glad you brought up
Emily: Yeah.
Yeah.
Ben: this and the fucking, surely
this weird YouTube video will
change the world ending of glass.
It really feels like M Knight's
understanding of the internet froze about
2007, 2008 because he explicitly says
message boards, met on a message board.
Emily: Are they on the dark?
Ben: 2023, they did
Emily: gotta,
Ben: a message board
Emily: unless they were on the dark web,
which,
Ben: web.
Emily: which is like even less valid.
Jeremy: Listen.
I know that he probably
can't say Reddit, but that's
absolutely where this meeting
happened
Ben: it
Emily: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Ben: right?
If a second grade teacher knows how to
access the dark web, I'm not sure if
they should be a second grade teacher.
Emily: M night's like,
I will buy Boogie shoes.
will not attempt to get the permission to
use the word Reddit because like that's,
Ben: What
Emily: you have
Ben: you think they met on?
Like where do you think they had to go?
Emily: qan on, like, this
is straight up QAN bullshit.
Jeremy: So this is our
slash dream interpretation.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: that's where they met.
Ben: Yeah.
Kev: of the i the
Emily: Yeah.
Am I the asshole?
Kev: Am I the asshole
Jeremy: Am I the prophet?
Kev: for getting this family
tied up in a cabin and make
them kill one of each other?
Emily: Yeah.
This is
Jeremy: The biggest problem to me,
well, not the biggest problem yet.
Another problem for me is,
Emily: one of the big problems
Jeremy: that we're recording this during
Passover, but there are plagues like
a, a thing that's in previous works.
Some would say fiction, others would not.
But like some of the, there are these
established plagues in this book that
was written long, time ago that would
be easy to perceive in this story.
Emily: that is full of locusts,
Jeremy: Yeah.
A
Emily: like
Jeremy: like they were in this
cabin.
And a whole swarm of locust.
Ben: that's why they're wearing metal.
W lawns.
Jeremy: Water.
Turning to blood, that's a thing.
Uh, You know, I think maybe we skipped
to death of the first born stuff, but
there's, there's plenty of like things.
That are actual, like, established
plagues that could be immediately
reportable on the news.
Like locust, the,
Emily: Or,
Jeremy: the, you know, the people would
be like, holy shit, there's suddenly a
lot of bugs that weren't here before.
Not like a lot of kids have
died in the last 45 seconds.
Isn't that weird?
Like,
Emily: or Like, all the
kids turn into zombies.
Ben: I do wanna remember, I do wanna
say, I think I remember the part of
the story where Moses tells Pharaoh
he'll crash all his airplanes.
Emily: Oh yeah.
That was, that was like
the third one I think.
Jeremy: about that one is aliens.
Ben: And that, so no, what you do for that
one is eat the Matza prats of the Mozza
pretzel with the airline Mozza pretzels.
And you watch Jerry Seinfeld's
bit about airline food.
Emily: I,
Ben: you can cut the fuck out of that.
Emily: no, keep it.
Yeah, there's a lot of
things about this movie
that is bad.
Ben: that joke fucking bombed.
Emily: No, I
just, it was,
Jeremy: food.
Emily: not,
Steve: What's the deal?
Emily: what's the deal?
Would you think that that joke
Steve: What's
Emily: a tailwind.
Steve: boards?
Emily: Um, Anyway.
Ben: The one bit of like of m and
i being maybe tied into a little
culture, even if it doesn't make sense,
I don't care cuz it's a good call.
Wen's favorite movie being Kiki's Delivery
Emily: Oh yeah, she has good taste.
Ben: Yep.
Wen's awesome.
Like she yells for Pa like
she wants to watch Paddington.
She's done with plague new.
She, and you know what, I would've
rather watched Paddington.
don't know who Chloe is,
Emily: Look,
Ben: like,
Emily: I just love that they have that,
like on their, their like list of shit
like, you know, emergency shit to do.
Like, okay.
When I nod my head, you start
yelling about Paddington like
we did at Thanksgiving.
Ben: on subtitles with those.
Holy shit.
that the, she says that
was a black canary scream.
Emily: Yeah, yeah.
Also,
speaking of the subtitles,
Ben: I was not prepared
Emily: I'm so sorry.
been watching a lot of play throughs
of bloodborne, so I was prepared.
The I, I was not aware that I would
have to deal with that in this
film, but, you know, good for her.
Also, who spells Caroline like that?
Ben: boss?
Kev: that is
literally the first note I've made
with the spelling of Caroline.
Ben: yes.
Okay, fucking viewer.
If you haven't seen the movie, let me
fucking spell it out for you, Caroline.
It is written out.
It is spelled k e r o l i e N.
Steve: I found that unsettling.
Kev: Yeah.
Ben: I'm so angry about that.
I'm so mad how they smell
Carolyn in this movie.
Emily: this is like the
first minute of the movie.
And I was like, now that is a sign
of the apocalypse right there.
Ben: I, stop, I paused it and
just yelled at my tv m night.
You motherfucker.
Emily: Like also, I don't know,
like when
Ben: cameo as a dude hawk and air fryers.
Kev: Yeah.
Emily: I think he should stick to that.
Jeremy: early for the cameo.
Honestly, I gotta say.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: I
Emily: it, I do think it's,
Ben: I
Emily: it's,
Ben: He stuck it to the air
fryer thing and we didn't get
him in like, in the diner.
Emily: yeah.
Oh my God.
Be and being like, isn't it great that
you survived your husband or something?
Some bullshit like
that.
Ben: us all.
I'm Like,
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: oh, I, I was, my body was tense
in like pre fucking sneer cringe.
Emily: Hey, Knight, time.
It's okay.
Look.
Motherfucking Alejandro Hodorowski did it.
You can just say that you're just fucking,
just bust through that fourth wall and
be like, this is a movie that I made.
And the movie will already be better
because at least it'll have the levity
of being self-aware that it's bad.
Like it's, I mean, even if it's,
you know, really bad, just, you
know, putting yourself in there.
Yeah.
Like, okay.
But also own it and just be like,
yes, this is basically did that
In fucking old spoilers, he was
basically like, yes, this is like, I
would've preferred that end to old.
Has anyone here seen, if I spoil old?
Steve: Please.
Ben: Okay.
Emily: Oh, okay.
Ben: Feel free to spoil Old, literally
possibly the worst movie I've ever seen in
Emily: Okay.
So at the end of old they
like pan up from the beach.
That makes you old.
And it's like fucking M Night.
Shalon on the hill,
recording it with a camera.
And I'm like, that's when I was like,
please do this Holy Mountain bullshit.
Like that's the only thing
that could save this movie.
And him like turning to the camera
and then like you hear, see a reverse
shot of like the crew there and he's
like, anything, you know, or doing?
Anything like that.
Like
Steve: Wait, what?
Emily: yes.
Kev: no, no, no.
That's not, that's not what actually,
Emily: That's not a, it actually happens.
That's not what happens.
That's what should have happened.
What actually happens is that he is
like the guy who works for some fucking
medical clinic that's using this weird
old beach to test drugs on rapidly aging
patients because the beach makes you old.
So they basically are like testing
these different drugs on people.
This shit is not in the book.
It's based on a bond comic,
which, is a lawless problematic.
And that's saying something
cuz Bond, they're beautiful.
Mm.
get a little problematic sometimes.
Um, I say that with all the love in
my heart, but yeah, no, like the end
of old is, he's the camera person.
Mni is the camera person
for this medical clinic.
He's not the director of a
movie about a beach that makes
you old in the movie, sadly.
Ben: He's just the director of a
very Yachty scientific experiment.
one thing that this movie gave us
a little bit of that I honestly
wish we got more of and I could do
a whole series of honestly, is Dave
Batista reviewing children's cartoons
Jeremy: Yes, Dave Petista talking about
the current Strawberry Shortcake series.
This
was,
Ben: wholesome.
Jeremy: good.
Ben: teaches good messages
of and respect to kids.
Emily: I, at first I felt that was a bit
contrived, and then I found out that he
was a second grade teacher and that I
was really mad that he wasn't my second
grade teacher because like, of all, good
ups to that school for employing a man.
So tatted up, like I'm, I'm
happy that these movies with Dave
Batista are embracing his tats.
And like, especially because a lot
of them are relatively wholesome.
Like this is a Wutang clan symbol.
Yeah.
That's wholesome to me.
You know,
this is a,
Kev: the children,
so,
Ben: one day David Batista's gonna get
casserole roll that's going, you call
for him to have to wear baggy pants.
And the costuming department that
manages to make the pants that can
contain those thighs should win an Oscar.
Emily: Yeah.
I feel like if any pants, like
no matter what pan, like either
it shrinks onto him automatically
through some sort of magnetism to his
flesh or his like size
just expands to any size.
Steve: You didn't see the
little hole in the back.
They stick the nozzle
in and then just suck.
Suck it in like one of those freezer bags.
Ben: He is fucking vacuum sealed
Steve: Yeah.
Ben: pants.
Holy shit.
Emily: So
Jeremy: of his professional
life wearing trunks.
So yeah, there's only
so
Emily: I love him so much.
Ben: love just how little selfie there is.
Like, again, like we wouldn't figure
out, oh, famine is a chef pestilence.
Is like, oh, is a nurse
war is a, a hate crimer.
Jeremy: Can we talk about the
fucking hate crimer for a second?
Emily: Yes.
Jeremy: there's a whole like false.
I mean, the guy's name is, is
Redmond and he is a red herring.
It's insane to me that they built any of
this in here because like is the first
dude to off himself in the story and
also like up being Andrew's like initial
reason why he doesn't believe any of this.
Because this dude who has a
different name, looks like the guy
who hate crime to them in the past.
Which it turns out he is the
same guy going by a different
name and we don't know why.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: don't know why he's
going by a different name.
He doesn't acknowledge that he's
ever met these people before that
he knows anything about them.
Like there's no explanation for any
of this shit, but it's there like,
It's just this movie is, it feels
like having a cat that just delivers
a dead mouse onto your door, and
it's like, here, I made this for you.
And it's
like,
Ben: like,
Jeremy: why?
Emily: cat, the, the cat, the cat's
speaking from the heart, like the
cat is speaking in a language that
it knows.
Jeremy: heart's.
Heart
Emily: No,
Jeremy: and
confusing.
Ben: hate
Emily: that's,
Ben: is so weirdly framed too, because
Mni fucking loves his closeups on
just the face, I really think it works
against it in the hate crime scene
because again, maybe they're holding
hands in some or something, but all the
only thing that we are given on screen
is that these are just two men sitting
next to each other on bar stools.
Having a very low volume
conversation from what we're given.
There is absolutely nothing to indicate
that this is a gay couple to a stranger.
Nothing
Emily: I think,
Ben: happening or being indicated
or displayed when the hate crime
Emily: yeah, not, I mean, there's
some,
Ben: no reason for Redmond to even know
that these two strangers are gay based on
the information we are given in the scene.
Emily: a lot of this movie I
feel like, Citation needed.
Like I feel that
Ben: a shot of them holding hands done it.
But no, that would've required
a fucking medium shot.
And God forbid we ever do that.
Steve: Would you re-watch
this with commentary
Jeremy: no,
Steve: is the question.
Emily: no,
Jeremy: no.
Kev: I, I think I would just get
angrier.
Steve: was quick.
Emily: nah,
Jeremy: I want if I were to re-watch
this, I would want a version that
had all of the flashbacks cut
out like, I feel like this man.
Has the, like heir of a guy who's
like, I'm an ally, but has never
met a gay person in their life.
Like, it's like the most bare
bones, like basic possible scenes
from a gay relationship ever.
It's like there's a scene with parents
that disapprove and they're disapproval
is shown through lack of dialogue.
Great.
Ben: Dad's homophobic, stare, amazing.
Emily: that's all that actor.
Ben: Just, just the fucking
dead eyes of pure homophobia.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: There is.
a hate crime that is generic in
execution in every possible way.
There is them meeting there is like
them adopting their child, but like,
they don't have any kind of like They
don't have like a, know, a, a shared
language or a like funny things that
they like from their, you know, this,
this world of their relationship
other than like boogie shoes, which is
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: thing that this
relationship hangs on
Emily: The only reason,
Jeremy: and this adorable child.
Everything else about it is as
like fucking generic as possible.
All I can figure is that like
Mite Shalon has seen an episode
or two of Modern family.
Like,
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: like everything about
this relationship is, is.
Generic.
Kev: And to, to like pile
on that just in general.
I mean, the movie starts and then
they're immediately put in the situation
and we don't know anything about them.
Except for like later on when they
start giving us those flashbacks.
So presents you the question
of why do I give a shit?
What happens to these people?
And it's a huge problem for me for
the Mu, I mean, it's just like the
insistence, it's like, oh, you were
chosen cuz your love is so pure.
But it's like, know,
like make me believe it.
Just
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: if you took added five minutes
on the beginning of this movie to make
me like them as a family or as people.
And then to meet him be like,
oh shit, no, I don't want
anything bad to happen to them.
We don't get that.
And just stuff starts to happen and
then it's like, but Jeremy's saying,
it's like we get these flashbacks that
I think are supposed to do the heavy
lifting for that, but they're so generic.
I literally couldn't give a shit.
Emily: And they,
Steve: that's what Boogie
Shoes is there for.
And it
Kev: Yeah, yeah.
Steve: far.
Emily: well, that's the only thing
that the flashbacks do.
Ben: it's
Jeremy: should open on that scene.
Ben: it's like if us had the five
on it scene cut immediately too.
And now doppelgangers attack,
Emily: Yeah.
And but the they try with these
I know they're trying, but the
flashbacks just reiterate the
information that we already know, is
Ben: what I'm saying,
Emily: they're gay.
Ben: Jonathan,
Emily: They have, they're, they're, you
know, the only thing that we don't know
is that they, you know, that we don't
see as well from the initial situation is
that they have dealt with the homophobia,
but like we can assume, you know,
we don't have to like talk about it.
and then also the character, you
know, fucking Redford is there.
Okay.
We know like that was, we could,
we don't need a flashback there.
We don't need the flashback
of them adopting their child.
Like
Ben: we
Emily: all know that shit.
Ben: we don't even get the flashback.
At a right time in the film to
appreciate like fucking Redmond dying.
if we knew he was just a fucking scumbag,
hate crime, and then he then batista
like bashed his skull in, we could be
like, have a little sense of like, yay
Emily: Yeah.
Or could have said, sorry.
Ben: Yeah.
Yeah.
Instead, like, you don't, like,
you don't get the catharsis.
It's like you have to be like,
oh, I guess I already got the
catharsis of this guy getting his
Kev: That's why I think that,
I think that's why the.
Ben: that on a rewatch and
Kev: But I think that's why the
revelation that he's right, and
it is the same guy as a mistake.
I mean, and
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: I think that again, goes to
like, my big complaint about the end
of the movie too, is is that like
Knight's insistence, I'm like, let
me tell you what actually happened.
Even though they wouldn't have known,
nor, you know, like throughout this
whole thing, it's just his insistence
of putting a button on all of it.
It just like takes away anything
interesting from it, you know?
Ben: Yeah, no ambiguity.
And God fucking Jonathan
Gruff and Ben Aldridge do have
chemistry with each other.
whatever authenticity that couple
has is just down to their acting.
but man, that, there, there's no
there's no writing there to give their
relationship a good, strong, just
core and believability foundation.
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: what Kevin is saying is, is
interesting to me, cuz I feel like feels
the insistence on putting not just a
button, but like several buttons on it.
But by the time you're done,
it's like, it's a shoe, like
it, it doesn't need buttons.
Like it, it doesn't, the, it doesn't,
you didn't make the thing correctly,
Emily: this hat has
five hats on it already.
Jeremy: It's like you solved
the problem that didn't make any
sense, like, You know, it's, you,
you've really let us know that.
Like, yes, all this stuff really did
happen, but we still don't know why or
how or you know, this plague of airplanes.
I think, know, it's, it's an
interesting question to ask from
this point, like, who's gonna clean
up all this fucking airplanes?
Emily: Right,
Ben: thing that I do thought was
some clever foreshadowing is when
they have Jonathan Grafi, like,
have you seen any bears yet?
And we, the audience know
that Dave Batista's coming,
Emily: which is completely on accident.
I do like, well, I don't know, I think
it's because I have a Pokemon named Dave
Batista, but the fact that she's catching
locus and then Dave Patista appears out
of the woods and I'm like, catch him.
Ben: Dave Petista would be a great Pokemon
Emily: It's my uh, my, my litten
Ben: it's like Dave Batista verse
like, I don't know, nine tales.
I think I'm putting my money on Batista.
Emily: is it to cat the big one.
I haven't actually evolved him
into the big one.
Ciro and Ciro.
Yeah, that's Dave Batista My Pokemon.
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: just wanted to mention that it
was either calling him dad or daddy, but
I already have a Pokemon named Dad, so.
It's a tyrannosaurus rex.
It's okay.
Ben: Okay.
The part of this movie that really
fucking reminded me of all is when Sabrina
fucking, when after they typed the family
and Sabrina comes, I was like, this is my
name, where I'm from and my occupation.
Emily: Oh yeah.
Ben: fucking, I got such fucking
old flashbacks during that.
Jeremy: Yeah, I, I,
Ben: backing old tricks am night.
You fucking
Jeremy: I got that with, with Andrew when
Andrew's like, listen, I'm a social worker
so I know about the ills of the world, and
I'm like, Jesus, fucking Christ at night.
Like, are we doing here?
I work in a museum.
Emily: So I like old
things cuz they're old.
Get it.
Ben: I.
Emily: That was an old, not in this movie.
This movie is the same.
But you know,
once
Ben: like how Andrews just liked to, when
like, trying to convince Eric that it was
like the hate crime that Redmond the hate.
Crimer is like, he's gained weight.
And I'm just like, man, fuck.
I wonder what Rupert Cor thought of that.
Just being like,
Emily: he didn't though,
Ben: I can't, he can't
be fucking Harry Potter.
Cute forever.
Give Rupert a break.
Emily: He's fine, he looks fine.
He's
like, he's not fat.
For starters.
And also the version of him, I
think it's just because he was
hairier, but the version of him that
in the, in the bar, looked bigger
than the version of him in cabin.
So
Ben: a big jean jacket.
Emily: yeah, I think that was
just a that was the line from
the script that they didn't catch
after casting, because obviously no
editing is occurring in this process.
Ben: Okay.
One thing I do wanna give this
movie some credit for if you're
gonna have a gun in this movie it
shows responsible gun ownership.
It is kept in a locked safe on like
completely separate, unlike armed
Kev: I don't know.
Leaving.
Yeah, I don't know about leaving it
in a car where you can just look it.
Ben: pretty
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Not sure about
leaving it in the trunk.
Emily: Well, and I mean,
it's the one movie,
the one movie
Ben: credit.
Emily: where somebody is, is observing
proper gun etiquette and it's the
gay man that has to kill his husband.
Kev: Yeah, I mean it's a shame that
like they, they like so much of
what they do, but I mean, just a
character in that head space could
have led to so many interesting things
happening throughout this movie,
Emily: yeah.
Kev: it's just like, nah,
we'll only, we'll only address
it when it's convenient.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Like what this movie could have been
if I really cared about these characters.
Steve: yeah, I mean, that's my overall
problem with the movie is that I
think in here there's a decent premise
that if you had a, a proper person
writing it, you could do something
perhaps thought provoking with it.
Emily: Yeah,
Steve: And the entire time, like I have
to admit, like I'm a simple person.
I was intrigued by aspects of
this movie, like the setup for it.
I was like, that's interesting.
It's end of the world scenario.
I like that, you know, for horseman of the
apocalypse or you know, them showing up.
I like that.
But every opportunity that it had to.
Separate itself from other
things or not shaalan it up.
Emily: yeah,
Steve: It just went so
hard, so hard into the
shaalan.
Ben: choose to, not
Steve: It was like drowning in a
puddle for an hour and 47 minutes.
Ben: I think the most shalon
to me that jumped the fuck out.
And I really wanna ask
y'all what you'd think.
Really, just what the fuck this
line means is fucking Eric at the
end going, maybe families have been
deciding this all through time.
Emily: yeah.
Ben: What the
Emily: And.
Ben: does that mean?
Emily: Like you have
to sacrifice.
Ben: like the 700 airplanes falling?
I feel like we would've known if people
had to decide that all through time.
What the fuck are you
talking about, Jonathan?
Emily: You can't just say shit.
You can't just say shit.
Steve: Okay.
Emily: What?
Steve: ask,
Emily: Yes.
Steve: Okay.
Ben: Yes.
Steve: What Jonathan Graff he falls
toward the beginning of this movie and
ends up getting a severe concussion and
goes through the whole movie, kind of
sting off the the effects of this thing.
But at one point in the movie,
he talks about seeing something
in the light behind Batista.
What is that like?
Do we ever, do they
ever explore it at all?
What
happened?
Ben: I, okay, so my, so my interpretation
is that what he saw is that what he was
describing there was the flash forward we
see of when, as an adult happy and still
having a great relationship with Andrew.
Kev: Yeah,
Emily: mean,
Steve: in the window.
Is that flash forward?
Emily: I,
Ben: that's,
Emily: interpretation
Ben: the best I got.
Emily: is
Steve: No,
Emily: I don't care because
they don't make me care.
I have no reason to care other than
like, It's just midnight shamal.
I'm coming through the window and being
like, have I told you about Jesus?
Steve: message.
Emily: Like,
Kev: I mean like that whole thing
is supposed to be like, oh yeah,
he's starting to see like, he
thinks he's starting to see the kind
of things that they see, whether
it's the flash forward of her
Steve: what it is?
Because that's, I mean, that's more or
less what I thought, but I wasn't sure
Kev: that, that's how I took it too.
But I mean, the other thing is
it's him being heavily concussed
Steve: Right.
Kev: that the fact that they didn't
lean into that again is one of those
things where it's just like, alright he
is got a concussion.
Let,
Ben: having
Kev: let's, maybe we've got one of the,
we've got one of the fathers who's got
who's dealing with some major PTs d
and the other one's severely concussed.
I wonder if that'll make anything
interesting that's happening.
I don't wanna go down
Emily: ales,
Ben: Well, that's the thing.
Like Eric, Andrew, or Wen, do any
of these family members go through
a real arc during this movie?
Kev: No,
Emily: No,
Kev: no one does.
Emily: Eric goes through of
he, he is born again because he
hallucinated once the end like
essentially.
Steve: apocalypse,
Emily: yeah, yeah.
And like he didn't
even,
Steve: into qan.
Ben: I mean, I've been there, but
I'm just born into like, yay drugs.
Emily: mean,
Jeremy: I would say that like,
Emily: it's
different, but,
you
Jeremy: no
Emily: drugs is different
from killing your partner.
Jeremy: but Alicia got mad at
me watching this movie because
when, when delivers her, like,
Ben: very
Jeremy: did Daddy Eric save everybody bit?
I was like, Ugh.
Got me.
And all of the got me is because like that
delivery is so good by that little girl.
That's the, like, the only
reason that any of that works
Ben: Kristen Qu is great.
Like
Kev: I,
Ben: Qu alone gives a better
performance than the entire cast of old
Kev: I think the one thing that we,
you know, and I think everybody would
be able to imply this, but the one
thing we need to be clear about is
like all of the problems with this
movie, it is not the cast's fault.
Emily: Ab Absolutely not.
Yeah.
Ben: like even,
Kev: It is not the cast's fault at all.
They already
Jeremy: other,
Kev: such,
Jeremy: than maybe Rupert Grent.
Kev: yeah.
But I mean, he has so little to
say, thank God, but like, yeah.
Ben: like whatever was going
on in old, like whatever.
Just fucking.
Acting depletion juice or like Space
Jam talent stealing style was going
on with Old is thankfully not here
because even Nikki Amca Bird, who
was also in old gives such a better
performance here than she did in Old
Steve: I
Emily: Yeah.
Steve: that you have such daggers
for old, because it reminds me of
the daggers that I have for glass.
Glass was the one that broke me
that I said I will never watch
another Shamon movie again.
Ben: Glass was such a news because
like entire, like first hour 20,
I'm like, Hey, this is pretty good.
Like, okay,
Steve: No,
Ben: Bruce Willis isn't doing
much for reasons I'll make fun
of at the time, but we'll feel
bad about now given what we know.
But hey, McAvoy and Samuel L.
Jackson are flocking bringing it.
I'd give this a solid 3.5 and then
I got to the last 10 minutes of
the movie and I'm like 1.5 at best.
Steve: I watched that movie on a plane
coming back from Australia, it's like
17 hours into a flight, and decided
to give it a try everyone had told me
that this was the one I never wanted
to leap from a plane.
Ben: you.
It's, it's.
Emily: Don't.
Steve: I
Kev: Yeah.
Steve: so visibly
Kev: Yeah.
Steve: while watching this movie, and
I'm sitting next to these strangers and I
just, the whole time I'm biting my tongue.
Cause I just wanna look over them, be
like, have you seen this piece of shit?
Ben: As soon as Sarah Paulson
introduced the Secret Society,
Steve: Oh God,
Ben: the Rotten Tomato score
just starts plummeting in my
Steve: that movie in that
movie insulted my intelligence.
It's, it's up there.
If, like, if I had a list of top
five most hated movies that I've
ever seen, it's, it's up there.
I
can't stand it.
Ben: another one where he is like,
what if things were ambiguous?
And then the twist is like,
what if they weren't ambiguous
in any way, shape, or form?
And I explain everything exactly.
Steve: Nope.
Kev: You just described,
knock at the cabin.
Emily: Yeah.
Kev: I've, I've yet to see
glass, but I don't know.
I guess, I guess it's, I guess it's
okay, but like I was approached at
one point by someone who worked on
the production of Glass about trying
to help them get something together
for like DVD extras about the tie
between movies and comic books.
And it never came to be,
Emily: Oh,
Steve: That's a
Emily: I'm, mm.
Ben: the plot of glass hinges on everyone
hinges on a YouTube video getting
released and the entire world going,
well, shit, superpowers must be real.
Only a superpowered person could get
drowned in a five inch puddle like that.
Emily: And you know, YouTube.
Kev: I'm gonna say
something controversial.
I think it's, I think old is a worse
movie, but I feel like I would watch
old again in a heartbeat more than I
would watch this one again, because
I feel like knock at the creates the
cardinal sin of being a basically boring
movie and old is terrible, but at least
it's bat shit insane in some of the
most bat shit insane way as possible.
Jeremy: I, would watch Knock at the cabin
before I'd watch old again, unless I had
a large group of people to watch old with.
Ben: Yeah.
Emily: yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jeremy: interminably long, like
old is about an hour too long.
This movie at least has the
decency to move at a, at a, you
know, a, a clip that it's like,
Ben: yeah.
Jeremy: oh,
Ben: had,
Jeremy: it's got a
countdown of dead bodies.
It's like, well, three guys are dead.
I know.
We're close to the end.
Ben: yeah, this movie, I feel, did
have pretty decent pacing, whereas
just making me, just stealing my life.
Emily: this movie did not allude to
any sort of intercourse between minors.
Kev: fair.
Steve: What now?
Ben: sex in this movie,
Kev: Fair.
Ben: so point look, knock at the cabin.
Do I recommend it?
No.
If you have to watch every Dave
Batista movie, really good in this.
as
Jeremy: you know,
Ben: okay, no a denim cross that
he is as good as he can be in this.
Kev: Yeah.
Jeremy: you know what, I will say,
we've said the name of this movie
a couple times, but you know what?
Movie is much better than this Is.
One of these people in this elevator
is the devil or also just devil.
Emily: it, is it, is that good?
Jeremy: It's written by Mite
Shalon, it's not directed by him.
Like,
Emily: Oh, bless
Steve: It's pretty good.
Jeremy: it's
stupid and it's very like clear early
on, like what's going on, but also like
Emily: called Devil.
Jeremy: by a, a much better director.
You know, clearly at some point to
weeded out some of those lines that
it's like humans don't talk like this.
And, made it better.
I mean, the same guy that directed the
remake of quarantine John Eric Dole.
so yeah, as above, so
below in quarantine and
Emily: Oh, as above Solo
is actually kind of neat.
Like I kind of, I've, I
kind of enjoyed that movie.
It
was, it was,
Jeremy: the Poughkeepsie tapes,
which I don't recommend, but,
Emily: yeah.
Ben: also the 2018 Waco miniseries.
Emily: Okay.
I know there's another one
that's happening right now,
Ben: Yeah,
Emily: series, which
I don't know anything.
I mean, I know about Waco, but I
haven't seen any of this series.
But that's not him.
It's the 20 18 1.
Ben: if I wanna watch stuff about
Texas, I'll just watch King of the Hill.
Emily: There you go.
Ben: Oh, don't know what
I'm trying to say there.
All Texas stuff is, am I
just being needlessly mean
to Texas here for no reason.
I
Emily: I think Texas can
handle it.
Ben: that's where I'm going with this.
Jeremy: Are you, are
you messing with Texas?
Because I hear that's a bad idea.
Messing with Texas is
something they don't prefer.
Ben: do?
Crash their power grids at me.
Emily: They might, they
might, you never know.
A lot of that dust could get in the air
and the butterfly flaps his wings and
Ben: gonna do?
Ban my book.
Probably
Jeremy: probably, yeah.
I mean, we're both headed down that road.
Ben: Not kidding.
Jeremy: yeah.
Quick this movie has nothing
to say about class or feminism
or disability or mental health.
It's got a diverse cast and it has people
in it, playing gay people, which is.
Nice.
But there's all so many movies that
we watched that we're like, we're
kind of glad that this movie didn't
have gay stuff in it because they
wouldn't have been able to handle it.
Well, and this is maybe
the example of that.
Emily: Yes,
Ben: Yeah.
Jeremy: he doesn't know what
he, he has gay people in there.
He is trying, I guess,
although like that's
Emily: he failed
Jeremy: the story.
Emily: F minus.
Jeremy: like the, the, the genericness
with which, like the gays are
handled and this is, so, it's, it's
almost upsetting in its genericness.
It's, you know, it would've been nice
to have at least somebody come and do
like a dialogue pass for 'em to just,
have, have them sound less like robots.
Emily: There's also the whole fact that
the, the whole movie is a barrier, gaze
trope, and that it is like, basically like
you didn't kill your husband fast enough.
Steve: Good boy.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: Yeah.
That is like, that supposed to
be the implication that all these
people died because you wouldn't
kill your husband fast enough?
Is.
Emily: I mean, that is, that
is a very clear line of logic
that someone could have.
Ben: Are we meant to use logic
or lines in this movie though?
Jeremy: What's really
shocking to me is that there's
Emily: good question.
Jeremy: list scene at the end of this
movie where he is like, I could have,
could have saved so many more people
if I had just shot my husband earlier.
And he is like just starts following on
the ground and he is like, this bullet
could have saved 10,000 more people.
This bullet could have saved airlines.
Emily: Yeah.
It's,
Ben: And then while he
Emily: yeah.
Ben: when just starts
putting on Boogie Shoes?
Steve: Was
Emily: Like,
Steve: waiting for the
twist that never came,
Emily: yes.
Steve: toward the end of this
movie?
Ben: I, that's why I think the
twist is supposed to be that
they're the four horsemen,
Emily: Well, and,
Steve: I figured.
Ben: up dressed in the
colors of the four Horsemen
Steve: I just felt like
all that stuff, I just felt, it was so
obvious that I kept waiting for there
to be like another thing, another scene.
Because I mean, I don't know.
I watched a video earlier today
where they were like, this is one
of the few movies where M Knight
doesn't do the twist ending.
And I'm thinking of myself.
What other ones Has he not done that with?
Emily: Avatar
less airbender.
Steve: maybe Avatar, another
thing that he ruined.
Emily: Yes.
Jeremy: That was a twist.
He made it bad.
It used to be good,
Emily: Yeah.
The twist was that he made it.
Steve: Lord.
Ben: used to be good and now we're bad.
Steve: I kept sitting
there waiting and waiting.
I'm like, it's gotta happen.
It's gotta, and then nothing.
And I, I, again, credits are rolling
and I'm just sitting there with
my mouth open going, happened?
Kev: Would,
Steve: this?
Kev: what do you, I mean, and you don't
have to have an answer if you don't have
one, but like, what would be the twist?
Like wouldn't the ultimate twist be
that like, kills his husband and then he
finds out it was all not real anyway, but
like,
Steve: that's one way to go with
Kev: but I mean, yeah.
Yeah, but I mean,
Ben: a
Kev: like,
Ben: of mist, I think
would be the way to go.
Emily: so, Alicia.
Steve: for that movie.
Ben: Incredible ending
Steve: Yeah.
So good.
Emily: any of you, have any of you
read the book that this is based off
of?
Jeremy: thing I have to say, I
fucking hate the end of the mist.
Steve: Why?
Jeremy: fucking terrible.
I hate it.
It's so bad.
Kev: it's so funny because like, this
is the first time I've prepared like.
When you ask like, what would you
recommend for people if they wanted to?
And the mist is like the one I was like,
oh, the mist is the good version of this.
To a degree.
to like, and I love dark endings
for movies, and I used to be
like, wow, I think maybe the
ending and the mist is too dark.
And now I've come back around to being
like, I think it's the perfect ending.
Emily: I haven't seen it, but I
will, I will reserve my judgment.
Jeremy: I
Emily: Um,
Jeremy: of of the book, apparently for
Knock at the Cabin is much more similar
to the mist in that like in wrestling with
the Leonard character when accidentally
gets shot and dies and they then say,
oh, well, like, that doesn't count cuz
you didn't intentionally sacrifice her.
And then the two dads
are like, you know what?
Fuck you guys, fuck the rest of the world.
And they get in their truck
and drive off at the end of the
movie or at the end of the book.
And it's like, you know, it, it's
never really explained as to like
what does happen at the end of that.
From what I understand.
Emily: but the thing with that is
that it is, it is tragic you know,
it sucks because a child dies, but
also is a commentary on the, like
the bullshit that people argue about.
And that like what crazy people can do.
there can be, like, that's another
thing that this movie could have talked
about is, you know, the, people who are
diluted and so diluted that they think
that they're doing the right thing by
making a fucking weird ass hammer and
like killing random strangers while
trying to force a hate crime to happen.
I there like, there's so much, it's
one of those things that really bothers
me about or just movies in general is
when you have all of the ingredients
to make a great cake, you have a,
and it may be an intriguing idea, you
know, would I have ended this movie
the same way that the book ended?
I don't know.
But there is something to be said about,
especially right now where the movie
is definitely trying to be topical
because it's like a virus and disaster
and blah, but it act uses absolutely
nothing.
Yeah.
It uses none, nothing that
we've learned about that.
Those things that, you know,
we've, we've, there's been tons of
speculative fiction about these things
happening and then we've seen these
things happen in real fucking life.
And yet, No lessons have been learned
by the people who are trying to process
this in, you know, this movie form, even
though it's very obvious that they're
trying to process this because they're
like, every couple in the history
of mankind has gone through this.
And like, you can't just say that
because you have talked about making a
decision and critically thinking like
you've basically been like, thinking
exists, and that's all you've said.
You know, like,
Jeremy: ever finishes in this movie.
Emily: no, there's
no conversation.
Jeremy: the ending of a,
a logical conversation.
They just sort of like to say
a thing and then cut away.
Emily: The whole, that's the whole movie
essentially is like, it's trying to say
something but then it doesn't finish.
And while I personally can relate to
that, as somebody who loses track of the
topic that they're talking about you know,
doesn't work great in movies, especially
when you're talking about things like, oh,
I don't know, hate crimes, and, you know,
bigotry that becomes murder, of children,
Jeremy: like mad short story
energy from like the premise
to the delivery to everything.
It feels like a short story in anthology.
best case scenario for adapting it is
a decent episode of the Twilight Zone.
Emily: Black Mirror.
Jeremy: make a feature film out of it.
And like there's no way to deliver
a feature film version of this
that's not gonna, like, that has a
happy ending and is actually good.
Like
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: you know, it, it has
to have like a not happy ending
for it to be story that it is.
And you know, if it's going to be a happy
ending, it's gotta be a lot clever on the
writing side than this movie is because
it never, gets anywhere close to it.
Emily: absolutely.
Kev: can, I think you can sum up this
whole movie in one scene and it's when
they have Batista trapped in the bathroom
and then you hear the window crash,
like, and then they, they open the door
and it's like, well, I see the size of
the window and I've seen the size of
Dave Batista, he has to be in the tub.
And then they shoot the shower
curtain and nothing happens.
And then he comes out later and
it's like, yeah, it wasn't a
surprise he had to be in the tub.
There's literally no
other place for him to be.
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: I,
Jeremy: I said the same thing to
Alicia when I was watching this.
I was like, there is no way that that
large ass man went out that tiny little
Emily: Right.
Kev: it's impossible.
Ben: to see it though.
I wanted to see him squeeze his like
big body through that tiny window.
Kev: that
Emily: was,
Kev: been
Emily: unless the twist was
that he was like a shape shifter
or some shit and he was death
Jeremy: The
Emily: like
Ben: the alien.
He's an
Emily: I.
Ben: from science.
Jeremy: The real, the real problem
actually with this, with that scene is
that the logic of this film is already
so broken that you're like, maybe the
movie does think he went out the window.
Like
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: he did go out the window.
Even though I'm looking at it and
I can tell that there's no way that
that man could have gone out that
window, the shit that's happened
so far in this movie, maybe he did.
I don't know.
Emily: that's what with Carissa's
talking about how this movie, how like
Ny Shalon is just trying to gaslight you.
Like, that's basically like Mny,
Shalon, like a lot of these movies,
it's just like, you know, NY Shaman's,
like, the sky is blue, isn't it?
Or is it?
And I'm like, it, it is.
What's, what are you trying to say?
Jeremy: Okay.
Emily: humanity.
Jeremy: let's get this set.
Do you guys recommend this movie?
Should people watch this film?
Ben: No,
Emily: No, no,
no, Unless you wanna be mad.
Ben: it's not one of the
worst I've seen, but mean
Kev: It's not even, it's not even,
Ben: trips to the streaming surface.
Kev: it's not even the worst
Shalan movie, but I would, I.
I definitely like, it's like what
Jeremy was saying, like if you, I
would say if you had a group of friends
who wanted to watch old together, I
would say do that before, watch this.
Emily: Yeah,
Ben: might not even be in Shaman's
bottom five, but I still wouldn't
Jeremy: Ooh,
Ben: it.
Steve: We
Emily: yeah,
Steve: do our,
Ben: I
Steve: our ranking
sometime.
Ben: you gotta, I mean,
just think about it.
You gotta get through happening.
Last Air Bender.
Old
Jeremy: yeah.
I mean, the only
problem with doing this ranking is
that I would have to the rest of last
airbender.
I should have left 10 minutes in
I would have to watch happening.
Ben: y'all.
I, I thought it has taken me about 20
seconds to come up with six movies.
I would rank below this all from Shalon.
Emily: yeah.
Jeremy: watch signs than this.
Any day
Emily: Oh yeah.
I'd rather watch less airbender than this.
Jeremy: signs at least delivers a
couple of nice, scary moments, like,
Ben: loses a few extra points
just for having Mel Gibson my
Emily: That's true.
Ben: That's my own personal bias,
Steve: I will second that.
Ben: to any movie with Mel
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: I mean, mad Max is
before.
Ben: Weapon and Mad Max, fine.
They're grandfathered in.
But
Emily: Yeah, but that's, you
know, he opened his mouth,
Ben: any
Jeremy: All right,
Ben: right
Jeremy: so I think we all
come down on the no side here.
So that in mind, what should people watch?
Kevin, you said you had something?
Ben: onion.
Kev: yeah, I mean, the Mist was, was
absolutely the one that I was gonna
point to you, but I haven't seen it
in, I haven't seen a mo this movie in a
while and I has anyone seen The Rapture
with David Ney and
Jeremy: No.
Emily: No, I've seen
evolution with David Duke.
Ben: I've also seen Evolution
with David de Coney,
Kev: Underrated,
Ben: to find out how it
Steve: That movie does not hold
Emily: No, it doesn't.
Steve: it a few years ago.
It is cringey in ways that
I will not talk about here.
Kev: Yeah.
They wanted to make a Ghostbusters
movie and they just did not get
there.
Ben: respect that, but
Kev: Well,
Ben: liking it, but I
also remember being 12.
Steve: Dave Duchovny is a
real shit in that movie.
He's
Kev: yeah,
yeah,
Ben: I feel like we're,
how's Orlando Jones?
Does he have least hold up?
I feel like Orlando Jones would hold up.
Kev: yeah.
It's par for Orlando Jones.
I mean,
Steve: does in that movie.
Sure.
Kev: um, um,
Steve: Julianne Moore gets
done dirty in that movie.
Emily: Hmm.
Ben: Oh my god.
Julian Moore was in that.
Oh, she got done so dirty.
Steve: It's basically David Dabney
talking at her the entire time.
And he's awful.
Like his character is awful.
His dialogue is awful.
There are definitely funny moments.
What's his face?
Shawn and William Scott his his tutoki
kaka moment in the ball, which is
Kev: I, I,
Emily: remember that.
Kev: one of those weird people.
I don't know, I don't think it's
weird, but I actually think that
Sean William Scott is good in a
bunch of things, particularly the
movie Goon the Hockey movie Goon.
think he's
Emily: Let's see that one.
Kev: really, really good in that movie,
but I think he, I think he's pretty funny
in parts and in evolution too, so, yeah.
Steve: I like him in the rundown.
Kev: Yeah.
Steve: being very Sean William Scott.
He's being very stiffler in that movie.
Like he's fresh off of the American
pie stuff, but I don't know,
rundown, rundowns, go going places.
It's got Christopher Walken
and his Tooth Fairy speech,
which, which is enough for me.
Jeremy: It's the rundown, stirring
Christopher Walken playing
Christopher Walken, the Rock,
playing The Rock, and Sean William
Scott playing Sean William Scott.
Steve: Yep.
Ben: I'm gonna say if you want a movie
where Jonathan Groth is still very gay,
but way more flamboyant and ridiculous
check out Matrix Resurrections.
Steve: Oh yeah.
Jeremy: literally typing this into
this sheet as soon as you said with
Jonathan Goff, where he is just as gay.
I was like, so we're
recommending Resurrections again.
Ben: Yeah, we are.
I'm sorry.
I don't care about any straight
person's opinion about this movie.
I fucking love Matrix Resurrections.
Steve: I had a ball with that movie.
I thought it was
awesome.
Emily: that the second one?
Steve: What's
Emily: That's The
Jeremy: that's the fourth one, the new
Emily: oh, that's the new one.
Oh
shit.
I haven't seen that.
Steve: it's real good.
Ben: doesn't do enough martial arts.
He's gotta make so many John Wick movies.
Let him have a movie where he just waves
his hand around and calls it a day.
Emily: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Just give him, let him hang out.
Jeremy: He's an accessory
in that movie anyway.
Ben: Carrie Ann Moss' Plotline
and Trinity's Plotline.
That movie is having to literally
violently escapes his heteronormativity.
It's great.
Jeremy: Steve, what did
you have to recommend?
Steve: I just thought of this just
now, and it's a little bit of a left
field thing, but I'm thinking of
the whole isolation theme and the,
the not knowing what's happening
on the outside of the situation.
And I think I've recommended this
before, but I'm gonna go with Cube.
Remember
Emily: Thank
you.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Still never seen
Cube, but I, I know of it.
Steve: not seen it in
a very, very long time.
But Cube is this charming, bizarre,
sci-fi film of a bunch of people trapped
inside of basically like death trap rooms
and having to work together to solve
their way through a maze and survive.
And the, just, I won't spoil it, but
the, the conclusion to that movie,
Is extremely poignant and actually
has something to say, particularly
about the communities that it's
dealing with throughout the film.
But I'm not saying that Knock at
the cabin reminds me of that movie.
I'm saying if you want to watch a
better movie about being isolated
and needing to figure out a bizarre
situation, I would go with Cube.
Emily: Nice.
Steve: Yes,
Ben: Hell
Emily: think he recommended
that on our saw episode
too, which.
Steve: recommend Cube.
It's just a good ass movie.
Or at least I remember it
being a good ass movie.
It could be super problematic.
Now I have no idea, but I do remember the
ending and I think the ending still holds
up for all of the shit that you probably
need to wade through to get there.
Kev: That actually makes me think
that I, I also, I, I recommended it
when we talked about the thing, but I
also wanna recommend Sunshine again.
Emily: yeah, sunshine.
Steve: a great movie.
Ben: We really
Emily: Good shit.
Ben: at, at some point.
We gotta get that on the
Jeremy: Yeah, I've definitely
recommended that one on here as well.
Emily, what do you got to recommend?
Emily: Well, if you like John
Gruff and you wanna see him be like
a feral baby watch Mine Hunter.
I've, I love him in that.
He's real good in that.
And it's a better everything than this.
It has, I mean, it's like the polar
opposite of this you know, for
example, it respects your intelligence.
It has, you know, interesting
things to say, et cetera.
It doesn't have Dave Batista
though, however, so that's too bad.
Also if you like things about
cabins in the woods and it's,
it's crazy shit going on.
gotta recommend Yellow Jackets.
Steve: Started that.
Ben: Oh, it's so good.
Emily: that, that show is,
there's so much about that show.
I mean, it's, yes, about teenagers
in the nineties and I've rec, I think
I've recommended it before.
Ben: will coach Ben suffer this week?
Emily: talk about the poor gaze.
Ben: You wanna
Emily: he's not the only one.
Ben: You wanna talk about a gay
dude having a bad time in a cabin?
Emily: Yeah.
Ben: check out.
Yellow Jackets.
Emily: you go.
That's, yeah.
Oh, coach, coach.
Ben: Coach Ben.
Ah, poor Coach Ben.
Emily: Yeah, that's just really good.
It's got everything and it is
like the nineties weird ass,
you know, survival mystery, you
know, descendant of Twin Peaks.
That makes a lot more sense.
Ben: If Lost and Stephen
King had a baby, and
By Twin Peaks
Emily: and it was, yeah, it was better.
Nature over nurture,
Kev: Yeah.
Emily: who knows?
Ben: there just fucking being amazing.
Emily: Oh my God, there's ev so many
amazing, much amazing in this movie.
I mean, this show, it's a show.
It's on show time and
Jeremy: And as
Emily: Plus.
Jeremy: we mentioned, it is also
co-created by Karen Kassam, who
Emily: Yes.
Jeremy: just talked
about like two weeks ago.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: yeah.
Speaking of Melanie Linsky I, so I had
something that I wanted to recommend
and something that I have to recommend.
Like I, watching this movie this
week and the last week, I have
also watched two things that were
direct adaptations of video games.
One being Super Mario
Brothers movie, which is fine.
The other one being the first season
of the Last of Us, which is phenomenal.
Like everything about that movie is great.
It is.
Or that show is great.
It is so unashamed to be an
adaptation of a video game.
It is so in love with the source material
in a way that like, Resident Evil has
never been no Resident Evil adaptation
has ever liked Resident Evil the way
the last of us likes the last of us.
I, this is like, I played the last of us.
I've never played the second
one as of yet, but I had to not
play it after playing the first
one because it's so fucking sad.
Like everything,
Ben: Big
Steve: not gonna do
Jeremy: that,
Ben: you
Steve: man.
Ben: there with you.
Jeremy: oh, I know.
Like coming, like described the last of us
as like literally everything that can ever
go wrong and this thing will, and it'll
go more wrong than you think it will.
But like it's a really well made show.
It's really well acted like, you
know, it's got two, two main cast
members who are just phenomenal.
In Bella Ramsey and Pedro Pascal.
The show is like so unbothered that
it, it that with the pacing that it
like will really take its time to
just like zoom in on a supporting
character for like a whole episode.
It does not give a fuck.
It is so like well made and
deliberate in such a good way that
like, having finished that earlier
this week, I had to recommend it.
If you've played the game.
I think the funniest thing to me is that
there's a, bit in the last episode where
there's like a literal ladder puzzle in
the show like, he's like, I can't get
up there because the stairs are broken.
I'll have to boost you up there
and it looks like there's a ladder.
Why don't you slide the
ladder down so I can get up?
And I was like, this is a thing
that happens a hundred times in
the video game because video game.
Emily: For them though.
Jeremy: shit.
I don't, I, I don't know how many people
will understand how funny this bit
is, but like, it's really funny to me.
But the thing that I feel like I wanna
recommend after watching this is funniest
thing about about knock at the cabin.
And the most, like, the thing that
made me saddest about it was when we
finished watching it late at night
last night, immediately was like, Hey,
you know what you should watch next?
You should watch Megan.
And I was like, God.
I wish I'd been watching
Megan for the last two
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: That movie is so good.
I
love, love Megan.
Ben: good things about that
Steve: I've not seen
Jeremy: I fucking love it,
Kev: heard really good things.
Yeah.
Jeremy: It's so good.
Like it understands the like,
amount of DNA it shares with
childs play and the amount of DNA
it shares with like Blade Runner.
Then on top of that is just like,
Ben: This is the Alex
Garland movie, right?
When
Jeremy: No,
Ben: and Jesse Buckley.
Jeremy: Megan?
No,
Ben: is a different movie called Men then.
Emily: Megan.
Jeremy: Megan,
Emily: not men.
Jeremy: Yeah,
Ben: Oh, well,
Steve: the.
Ben: oh, we absolutely
have to fucking do Megan
Emily: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
yeah,
Absolutely.
Ben: Megan.
Megan's gonna be a fucking episode.
Emily: I wanna, I wanna
talk about men too, but
we'll be.
Jeremy: by Aquila Cooper and James Juan
who are, I mean, we're gonna be talking
about James Juan very shortly, but those
are, I mean, they're both fantastic.
It's it's directed by Gerard Johnstone
who Housebound, which like we haven't
talked about, but is a weird Australian
horror movie and is also very good.
so like, it's got the parts there and then
it's just so like, it's so fucking funny.
Well, like, and it's still a horror
movie and it's a, a movie that like
weirdly has something relevant to say
about AI and stuff like in this moment.
And it's still just like so funny.
Like, it's just, it's such a joy to watch
and it's still like legit a horror movie.
The spirit in a lot of
ways of, of child's play.
And it's so, God, it's so all done.
That, like, that like popping up at
the end of, at the end of watching
Knock at the cabin made me so
angry that I'd wasted the last two
hours not watching Megan again.
So like, yes, absolutely.
We,
Steve: an unrated cut of Megan coming out.
Should I wait to
Jeremy: oh, it's on, it's on Peacock.
already.
There's only like,
Ben: watch it.
Unrated theatrical cut.
Again, I didn't see it theatrical.
I only watched the unrated
cut, how they released it.
Without those scenes, I don't know.
Those scenes like you
have to have those scenes.
Emily: Noted.
Jeremy: like, it's really just,
really just a couple changes
in like when things cut away
and, and what it shows.
Ben: cathartic gore.
Emily: Hmm.
Steve: It's the name of my new band.
Kev: Yeah,
Jeremy: Important
cathartic gore.
Ben: I know
Kev: font it's written in already.
Ben: psychopath of the group, but
if that level of violence hadn't
been actually shown in the movie, I
would've come on here being like boo
discretion shots, no catharsis, which
you'll only get in this movie Dave
Batista just hilariously smashing in
the face of someone who's already dead.
Emily: Yeah.
Jeremy: Also so many times.
Emily: Right.
Jeremy: people so many times.
It's off camera so you don't see it, but
there's just like so much funking, the
giant fucking ax that he has, like how
does he not kill somebody the first time?
Steve: can we just talk about
the weapons for a second?
I'm sorry.
The tools that they had
Jeremy: only thing that's
potentially cool about the
Emily: Yeah,
Jeremy: never bothered to explore.
Emily: yeah,
Steve: I just, there was a lot
of care that went into those.
Like did you see how tightly
they were wrapped and
Emily: yeah.
Steve: fitted and the whole bit,
but like, I have to imagine that.
The purpose of that of them being the
tools, being what they were, was just so
that they would get the job done, would
imagine cuz you could have used anything
Emily: Well, I think.
Steve: out.
Kev: I also think like one of them had
like on, you know, like a, a ball of
some sort, but like, and so all I could
think about was like, that's impractical.
Impractical in a combat situation.
Steve: like a
Emily: Yeah.
Steve: head on a chain
Kev: Yeah.
So you're just gonna hurt yourself.
But like, I think that's the other,
another thing like, sorry to like dive
back in real quick, but it's like, the
other thing with that is like, they have
these weapons and it's like, it really
doesn't work for them to immediately be
like, we are gonna tie you up in this
cabin and we're gonna make you kill a.
Someone in your family, but I
assure you, we are very nice.
Emily: Yeah.
Do they have to bring the
tools with them?
Unless they're, they're using
them to get in the house.
Jeremy: There's a point where Adrian
says, saw like all this stuff.
I saw the weapon.
That's how I knew what I had to make.
And so like, it's just another moment
of like, they start to build out the
lore and then just like, fuck it.
we didn't want to finish
making that story.
And it, it also dawns on me now
that when I was saying that I love
the last of us, I say, speaking of
Melanie Linsky Melanie Linsky is a
violent psychopath in the last of us.
And she's fun.
Yeah, I mean, she's horrible, but
it's great that it's Melanie Linsky.
Emily: Support women's wrongs.
Yeah.
Jeremy: Alright I guess
that's, guess that's it.
Kev, do you wanna let people know
where they can find you online?
Kev: Yeah, I mean, if you still deal
with the hellscape, that is Twitter.
I am at Electric Dracula on there
and I, I'm on Instagram, but
I don't use it a ton in there.
I'm Electric underscore Dracula,
and that's, that's about it.
Emily: Nice.
Jeremy: Awesome.
And Steve, what about you?
Steve: You could find me on Twitter
again, like, can I barely use it?
But Twitter.
At Instagram, I am at Dead underscore
anchors and you can catch me just
about every week every Wednesday
morning on the Talking Comics podcast.
We recently had Kristen Snuck on the show
this past week to share some thoughts
and feelings about her new book with
Emily Hamshire known from shits Creek.
Emily: Nice.
Steve: together, and I haven't read it
yet, but I've heard some really amazing
things.
It's called Amelia Earhart Basic Witch.
And I'm very much looking forward to it.
And if you go and check out
the show, we've got an awesome
interview with Kristen.
And yeah, we do it every week.
We're 593 episodes deep,
Emily: Oh my God.
Steve: there you go.
Ben: Good on ya.
Steve: Ugh.
Emily: That's
awesome though.
Steve: know.
Jeremy: As for the rest of us you can
find Emily at Mega Moth on Twitter, mega
underscore moth on instagram@megamoth.net.
Ben is on Twitter at Ben the Con, and
on their website@benconcomics.com.
You can pick up all their books,
including pre-order L Campbell wins
their weekend, their debut middle
grades novel from Scholastic as well
as their new series Griffin, which
is coming out as we record this.
Emily: Nice.
Jeremy: Yeah.
Emily: Get it or else
Jeremy: and finally for me, you can find
me on Twitter and Instagram, j Rome 58
on my website@jeremywhitley.com where
we can check out everything I write.
And you can also pre-order the
dog night, which I wrote with,
along with our artist, Bri Indigo.
And I've also got Gwen Pool
comics coming out right now.
By the time you hear this,
they will all have come out and
they're on Marvel Unlimited.
So those.
They're fun.
It's a romance comic.
Emily: get it.
Jeremy: yeah.
And of course the podcast is on Patreon
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Thanks again to all of you and
to everybody before the show that
joined us to talk about about their
strong feelings about this film.
Is a wild one, guys.
Emily: And thank you Kevin.
Steve, thank you so much for
coming and, and talking about
it, giving us more more input.
This is really good.
Jeremy: More
Emily: Um,
Jeremy: About.
Emily: our pleasure too.
Whoa.
Jeremy: uh, Thanks to
all of you for listening.
And if you watched this movie, because we
were doing an episode on it, we are sorry.
We'll see you next time next week.
What are we talking about guys?
we're talking about, oh, we're
talking about malignant next week,
so,
Ben: fuck.
Emily: Oh God.
Jeremy: so get
Emily: Oh my goodness.
Jeremy: cuz for certain values of Good.
That one's much better than this one.
Steve: It's one of my
favorites in a while.
that movie.
Jeremy: Oh,
Ben: James, Juan Sure does.
James Juan.
Jeremy: yep.
All right.
Well, until then, stay horrified.