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The Queer Stories of 'Cuse podcast series was created by the LGBTQ Resource Center at Syracuse University (SU), in collaboration with The SENSES Project, to curate an oral history archive telling queer stories in an authentic light. This series features interviews of past and present SU students, staff, faculty and community members of the Greater Syracuse area who are passionate about queer issues and advocacy work.
Special thanks to:
The SENSES Project Program Coordinator, Nick Piato
Director of SU LGBTQ Resource Center, Jorge Castillo
Associate Director of SU Office of Supportive Services, Amy Horan Messersmith
Co-hosts: Bushra Naqi, Rio Flores & Sebastian Callahan
Interview with Azarius Williams
Host: Rio Flores
Rio Flores 0:02
Okay. Welcome. And thank you for allowing me the chance to interview you appreciate taking time out of your schedule, just says a formal reintroduction. My name is Raul Flores. I'm a senior, and currently one of the research assistants for the LGBTQ Research Center. Were essentially just creating oral history archive. For the end, it was just consist of interviews with folks within the community. And just to make sure that queer history is like recorded in some way that isn't written. There's different forms of history that we save in archives. So I guess you could if you can state your name and your pronouns, and if you don't want to share your name, because it say anonymous as well.
Azarius Williams 0:50
All right, yeah, sure. Um, so my name is Zahra. Yes. Williams, and my pronouns are he him pronouns?
Rio Flores 0:56
And can you tell me where you was born? And how like, it was when you was like growing up?
Azarius Williams 1:05
Yeah, for sure. So I was born in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Born and raised. in Broward County, I like to say Barrow County, because we kind of bounced around a bit, you know, I didn't state for a lot of that we kind of moved around to different neighborhoods within Broward County. So I like to just say, I'm a Broward Robert, boy, you know, y'all know that. That's what I read. But yeah, I was, I was born and raised there. And growing up, I would say, you know, my experiences were kind of challenging, because, you know, I was, you know, born in a family rate, you know, of a child of four, you know, on my mom's side and raised by a single parent, so it was just my mom and us, you know, so that prison in its own kind of difficulties and challenges. You know, so we definitely had our struggles growing up, you know, in terms of like, you know, making sure she would work, you know, sometimes multiple jobs, or make sure that ends would meet, you know, so that was that was its own kind of challenge there, you know, kind of dealing with poverty, and things like that. And I would say, in terms of, you know, schooling, you know, I think, for me, I experienced a lot of like, confusion growing up, you know, because I felt like, I was like, having to kind of perform this gender that I wasn't, you know, what I mean, and kind of having to show up as somebody that didn't feel authentic to me, you know, so I felt out of place in a lot of situations, you know, socially, and things like that. Because, you know, for me, I was like, you know, when I was very young, I used to just hang around with all the boys and things like that. And, you know, I was like a tomboy, quote, unquote, right? So, I'm always kind of like, modeling myself after my older brother, you know, that's, my mom would say, like, Oh, you're like a T Junior, that's his name. You know, and for me, he was the first kind of real, like, male, I guess, role model that I had in my life, you know, and since he was older, right, it was like, I was kind of looking at him to kind of figure out, okay, you know, you know, I don't feel comfortable in this kind of identity that's kind of being put on me. But, you know, here's something that I can kind of explore. So I remember, I'm laughing because I used to be like, I used to, like, sneak in, like, try to use his, like cologne. And like, it's like, so it's just like, yeah, like, you know, I just think like, growing up, like, I was definitely kind of figure out what was, you know, who I was, you know, and I think that was really challenging, especially when I didn't have, you know, anyone that really went through what I went through, but you know, in my case, it was experiencing some of the questioning that I was, as well. So that was kind of a difficult terrain to navigate. Because on one hand, you know, navigate and like, you know, poverty, and, you know, kind of like, not having, you know, what we need, you know what I mean? Yeah, and on other hand, I'm questioning our identity, right? And like, who am I, you know, what I mean? And who am I within this world, you know, so there was a lot going on, I would say, like, when I was growing up on all those fronts, you know, and just like, trying to really figure out my identity, and I think, even though I was still having those questions of gender, I felt like I was kind of like, just kind of put, like, I was read as queer already, you know, what I'm getting like, because I wasn't presenting, you know, in a normative gender normative fashion, you know, so I was already read as, you know, as like a lesbian or whatever. So it was a lot that I was trying to figure out growing up, I think.
Rio Flores 4:50
Yeah. And I think you again, mentioned it also like when we're children, and we were younger, you know, there also isn't like, oh, Um, the language or like, just like the understanding of what things are. And like, you know, we grew up, I guess like, with, like similar thoughts and up about gender, and I feel like, but just different spaces. And, you know, like just environments that you're in limits, I guess your understanding of freedom to like, understand, like, who you are? Or, you know, why why were you having like specific thoughts? Or, you know, why were you uncomfortable? And stuff like that. So, I think just on that similar terms, when we talk about, I guess your experience, was there, like specific moments you felt like growing up? That you say to become, like, at, like, with terms with your sexuality, or like, if your gender specifically is an identity? And like, was there? You know, just how was it? You know, was there like, a specific moment when you like, okay, yes. You know, maybe I'll do this and that or, like, you know, how was it? I guess, to
Azarius Williams 6:11
your station? Yeah, I think like, I remember as early as, like, elementary school having some of these, like, thoughts and feelings, you know, and like, I guess I'll speak on two fronts, those because sexuality and I'll speak on gender as well, I think, like, with sexuality, like, I was feeling like the pressure to be straight, you know, what I mean? Like, have a boyfriend, you know, it's elementary school, but, ya know, but, you know, still have your little, you know, like, kindergarten boyfriend, whatever. And I actually did, I had like, a, I had like, a boyfriend from like, kindergarten to like, fifth grade. It was like, on and off, kind of a thing. But yeah, I had that. And it was interesting, because, like, I had that happening in my I experienced my first like, real. At the time, I didn't know, this is what it was, right. But I experienced my first, I guess, kind of, like, real feelings for a girl. Right, um, during that time. And it was one of my close friends that I was I was friends with, and I like, really, really liked her. Right, but I didn't, I never told her anything like that, that I liked her. Because I was like, trying to fit that, you know, kind of mold of being straight and things like that. And I had that boyfriend who they were like, close friends as well. So it's like, yeah. But yeah, so I experienced my first real crush on a girl. And I don't think I realized that's what was happening until years later, when I finally accepted. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, there was silence all along, you know? Yeah. But yeah, so that's what was happening. And then as I got into middle school, I think I was starting to have those like, realizations, like, okay, like, I'm not really comfortable with presenting myself in this particular way that's expected of me. And I'm also having these, you know, feelings for women. And I don't really, I was just kind of like, trying to wrap my head around that. So sixth grade was kind of a year of confusion for me as well. But then I think, like, I think I went through a period of denial, you know, where it's like, you don't want to accept that this is what's happening. So really, it was like, kind of a drastic, like, switch for me going into seventh and seventh grade. Seventh grade, I would say it was the year where I was really trying to be somebody, I'm gonna, you know, what I mean? Like, you know, like, that was really the year where I was trying to fit in and trying to, you know, like, present myself as someone who would be accepted, you know, by others. So, yeah, that year was was a lot of that, you know, I was like, having boyfriends again. And like, I was doing all of the, you know, dressing more feminine and doing all these things. Because I was in that period of denial, and I didn't want to accept that, okay, this is why I am, you know, what I mean, the knees are more fitting for me, you know, so that's what that year was, and I think, like, I was really feeling like, a lot of discomfort with with that presentation. And they kind of trying to be trying to fit into that mold, you know, like I'm saying and it was causing a lot of sadness and kind of like, the pressure for me, because I felt like okay, well, I'm really doing all of this and it just doesn't feel authentic, you know. So, going into the next year, the eighth my eighth grade year is kind of when I kind of like calmed it down a little bit. You know, I was still you know, presenting more feminine, but it was a lot less like over like, it was the year before you know, and I was again just trying to figure out okay, what is what is going on, you know, what is what is happening because this is not feeling like me, you know, and I'm, I'm caught in between all these different things, and I just really feel unhappy you know, I just really felt horrible and like unhappy with with myself, you know, And I think, then then, you know, the transition into high school was like really tough for me, it was really, really, really difficult. My freshman year and sophomore year was really difficult because I was, you know, high school is its own thing, right, you're entering from, you know, into a different phase in life, essentially, as an in person. So having to navigate, like, sexuality, gender presentation, like, on top of all that was a lot, you know, what I mean? Because I'm being thrown into these new social environments, and I'm trying to find, you know, my place within them, you know, in a way that feels true to me, you know, and that it doesn't feel like I'm pretending to be somebody I'm not. But at the same time, I want to make friends, right, and I want to I want to be, you know, able to hear. So I feel like I was trying to navigate all of those things, I haven't a sacrifice, or at least felt like there was a pressure to sacrifice certain pieces of myself, if that makes sense. So, um, yeah, so I think like, those were the hardest years in terms of like, mental health wise, high school, you know, I really went through depression, really, really bad, you know, like, I would, you know, be sleeping hours, you know, for long periods of time, throughout the day, I would hardly get out of bed, you know, when I was home, and it was just really, overall, really, really bad. And, you know, I think my mom was very concerned during that time, because she didn't understand what was happening with me, or how to help me, right. So that was just a period of, I would say, it was really, really tough during that time. Because I didn't have the language to name what I was experiencing. I just knew I was experiencing something. And that didn't feel like me, you know, and I just felt all of these pressures. They were being put on me from different different places, you know, and I just felt like it was too much to handle. And I don't even know how I like stumbled on this. But I know I was on like, YouTube or something. And then I saw I don't even know how this popped up. But like, I saw, like, a video of like, FTM like, some something, right? And I'm like, Whoa, you know what I mean? Like, I was like, Yeah, I was like, Whoa, this is like, grainy. It was a white, a white transparent, but I was like, Whoa, this is like, what I'm, what I'm feeling, you know what I mean? This is how I'm feeling. Because the person was describing their journey, you know, into into, into realizing that they were trans, you know, and things like that. And I was like, What, whoa, this is like, exactly how I'm feeling. You know what I mean? And I think that was the first time I had clarity on what was happening. And I think that was the first time I had language to describe what I was going through, as well. Yeah, so after that moment, I was like, Okay, now I know, this is happening, you know, this is what it is, you know. And I think I put sexuality on the back burner. I'll talk about that later. But like, because for me genuine was the main was the main kind of point of tension for me. And I think once I had that language, I understood, okay, this is, this is what's going on. And then the next piece that came with it is okay, well, what do I want? You know, what do I want to do about that? You know, again, I had another period of denial, right? Not wanting to, to accept that this is who I am. I'm gonna be angry, I think as well, there was some anger built into that, you know, like, Damn whacking them just had been normal. You know, what I mean? Like, why does this have to happen to me, you know, why do I have to be like this, you know? So that was that frustration. That ultimately, you know, kind of acceptance that this was what it was, but I think that except Except it's kind of came towards my like, Junior end of junior year senior year of high school when I accepted, okay, this is what I want. This is why I am this, kind of address it. But yeah, and then I think I came out to my mom about it. When I was a sophomore. When I was a sophomore, I came out to my family about it. When my mom first said in my family, the rest of my family a little doubt down the line, like sophomore in high school, in high school. Yeah. Yeah, in high school, and it was kind of like, she, you know, my mom is a lesbian. So I wasn't too I was still scared. You know what I mean? I wasn't gonna scare but you know, I don't know. I I think that gave me a little bit more comfort to bring that to her because she was she is queer, you know. So. So that made me a little more comfortable in kind of saying this is this was happening. But yeah, we're kind of like, there was still you know, she she still kind of had trouble understanding because you know, she's, she's still sis at the end of the day, right. So it was still kind of a gap there and understanding but she was overall pretty accepting. And she was like, you know, I just want you to kind of, you know, think more about this kind of thing and like what Do you want to do about it? You know, and, you know, she was saying she wanted, she wanted me to wait until I was 18 to make like any decisions, kind of a thing. And like, I think like, I think what I was thinking as well as, like, socially, I didn't want to transition until I left high school because yeah, the kind of school I went to was, it was one of those, it wasn't necessarily like a continuous school, like you had to like, go from K through high school, but you could write, so they had like an elementary school and middle school in high school. So I was going to basically the same system of schools for all 13 years. So that meant, like, a lot of kids knew me and I knew a lot of kids, because many kids did same thing. They went from K to 30. Yeah, senior year. So I just felt like, it would be a lot to like, have to explain, you know, what I mean, I didn't want to have to, like deal with the questions and like, Oh, why are you using this name now, or using these pronouns? Now, you know, I didn't want to have to go through all that. So I was like, you know, I just want to wait until I leave here. To to really begin to socially transition and physically transition as well.
Rio Flores 16:14
Like, I'm glad that like, I guess, towards, you know, sophomore and junior year that things are getting better in the sense of like, you knowing why you was feeling certain ways and like how, you know, what would, you know, what would make me most comfortable, you know, if your body and like, how do you feel like yourself as well. So, I'm glad you know, that, using our system, onto that video, I explained everything, I feel like, the lack of language and like the lack of like, I don't know, like, I'm not a lot of people, like in schools and public schools are talking about, you know, was talking about like gender and gender identity, sexuality, and I feel like and I feel like the most it talks about would probably like, sexuality, and it's like, um, but it was very, like, very stigmatized, it was like, it was really intense. I feel like, media media was portraying a lot of things, and our schools taught it to children. So like, I'm, I'm glad that you know, a part of your high school, like your high school years was getting better, because at least she was able to talk to your family, about maybe like, like, this is why I've been like this or like, you've seen how, you know, how, how I got, you know, like, how, how bad it was for me, and so I'm really, I'm gonna like you, I'm really happy that like, I guess, like, something fortunate, like, that just was able to help you figure out like terminology, like, I guess, the ways to talk to your parents about it. Because, you know, you still offer like, a sophomore, you know, she like you trying to? Yeah, definitely. And I think like,
Azarius Williams 18:04
I was definitely fortunate enough to have like, a supportive family as well, you know, like, I know, many, many queer trans people don't have that. Right. So I was very grateful for that, you know, and kind of, was allowed to, and even before I like, came out, you know, I think I was given that space to kind of explore my identity. And, you know, even if that was just through presentation, right, I never really got much pushback from my mom in terms of like, how I presented myself like, so there was never like, a moment where I was like, Oh, you have to, you know, just this way, or you can't wear these things. Right. It was, I was given that kind of flexibility and, like, agency in terms of like, my own, you know, presentation. So I really think that, you know, that, that kind of created a, you know, a safe environment for me to really like, determine, Okay, well, what feels right for me, you know, and what doesn't. And I think I think I didn't have that pressure, you know, from my parents, or from my mom specifically, you know, in terms of like, you have to wear this, or you have to be this way at the present yourself this way. This is what you have to come and do. You know, so that wasn't really there, which I'm grateful for. And then when I came out, again, it was it was not, you know, there was no backlash there. There was no like, you know, you have to, you know, I'm not accepting this or, you know, whatever. So, I'm grateful for that as well. Yeah, there's,
Rio Flores 19:34
it's just, uh, you know, I feel like, within the trans community and queer folks, like, just within the community in general. There are you know, like, there's just stories of, you know, folks with like, fam families that, you know, aren't so supportive, right, but I'm glad that that your that your family was able to, I guess support You during the time, even if there were times that you felt like, you know, they weren't, they didn't understand fully, you know, because I feel like it's also just difficult trying to explain transmis and how you feel, but 646 folks in general, right? I think there's like sometimes like, something's clicked like, oh, like, oh, that's, that's why, you know, or like, you know, that makes us it makes a lot of sense, you know, sizes one to x, you know, before we continue on, but if you could stay your relationship to Syracuse, like, motivation you had
Azarius Williams 20:40
you ever because you know what I'm gonna say? I think my relationship with Syracuse, like, I will say, if you would ask me this question straight up, after everything had went down, I would have probably started saying a lot of things. Right, I would have probably been cursing up a storm and saying, Oh, well, I think like, I think now that I'm kind of removed a couple few years from that experience. It can, you know, look back and reflect from a more, I guess, emotionally stable place. I would say, my relationship was Syracuse, I think. It was definitely, definitely like, institutionally, right, it was definitely not okay, you know, what I mean? Like, that shit was like, very oppressive, and, you know, just violent, you know, in terms of like, my, the identities that I carry writing and feeling like, at that university, that those things, were under attack, you know, consistently from the administration. But I think in terms of like, my experience socially, and like what I've gotten from Syracuse, I think, the people, and, you know, the community that I found there, really shaped who I am today, you know, I would be lying if I said that experience, you know, our Senior my senior year, you know, not again, as you didn't shape how I think about the world, and what what, you know, is important to me, you know, and even kind of some of the things that was happening before that some advocacy that was happening there, I think I was definitely given a lot of different opportunities at Syracuse to meet people to connect with individuals to find community. Like, for example, we, you know, you're talking about the resource center, and the resource center, you know, has given me exposure to a lot of different things, particularly through the the, one of the conferences called Creating Change conferences, I went to two of those. And my first one that I went to, I met other black trans folks for the first time, like, that was the first time I ever met other black trans folks, specifically black trans men. And that, like really changed, you know, a lot of things for me, because I finally felt like, I had someone who understood exactly what I was going through, you know, and so, I was able to build community through there, you know, and I'm close friends with someone that I met from that time to like, now, you know, so we've been friends for like, five plus years, you know, so that community that I was able to get from Syracuse, I think, I definitely am grateful for that. And I'm glad to have had, you know, experiences that I don't think I would have had if I didn't go right. So I'm thinking of those experiences. I'm thinking of my abroad experience that was really, you know, one of the best times of my life, you know, so I'm thinking of different things that I was, you know, afforded at Syracuse. Yeah, and I would say I'm grateful to have that and I think the people in the community that I was able to find really kind of is what is more most important, you know, there and I think even thinking about like, before I even went right so posse, you know, that being a big thing for me. And that being the reason why I wasn't even able to go let alone being able to finish right, I was able to finish because I had that support from posse. And I really think without that support system, like I wouldn't have even been able, I wouldn't have went to college, I don't think I would have went to university, and I definitely would have had trouble finishing you know if that was in there for me. So I really am grateful for it. Like I said, the support systems that I did have, and the people who were on my on my side and kind of pushing me and supporting me throughout so I'm grateful for those those individuals for sure.
Rio Flores 24:41
I'm glad that you're able to have that support system and I think that your experiences is like it helps create more connection and helps more folks like understand like, how certain things might be or how, you know how I was, you know, because I feel like I At this point, at least when you're in college, you have more of a understanding of like, oh, this is, this is what I identify as this is what? This is what I've been like missing, or this is why I haven't like, understood or because there was just nothing, there was no one for you to talk to you about specific things, you know. I guess I'm on that like, same cycle, but just do you've how, how do you feel like your experience overall, you know, within the community? Was at Syracuse, you know, like, you talked about different experiences that you were able to enjoy, you know, the conferences, though the conventions? And also you talked about, like, you went abroad? And like how, I guess you could, I guess, talk about that, how was it going abroad?
Azarius Williams 25:52
Yeah, I think like, it was definitely a thing where it's like, there were pockets of community, you know, that I was able to find, I think still, in terms of like, how I was navigating things. I think, you know, I was definitely trying to figure out, you know, now, you know, now that I'm like, accepting perineum trainers, right, I was trying to figure out how I'm trying to find what I'm trying to say. So I was trying to figure out how to, like, what manhood looked like, for me, right? You know, what, then me? So socially, I would say, like, I was still trying to fit things I was still trying to fit in, in different ways. I'm, you know, so trying to understand who I was as a person, right, within this setting, I think it was a lot less, you know, challenging than it was in high school, because now I knew, you know, okay, well, this is, you know, this is my identity and things like that. But I think still how that I was, like, showing up as identity, I think that was still a thing, because, you know, now I was having to navigate, okay, well, is it safe for me to be openly trans, right, in this space? You know, am I going to have to, you know, be stealth, for example, or, you know, so just trying to determine what's safe and what's not, you know, and I think like, there was still that stigma, I think that I was still trying to navigate as well, because again, like, there was no real even though there was some support systems there. I still didn't really have a community on campus, at least of like other black trans folks. You know what I mean? Yeah. You know, so so that was kind of a thing in and of itself. And I remember when I came into ser accused, there was just a lot that just wasn't there. Institutionally, right. So like, they didn't have pronouns system at all, I had to really like advocate, like, hey, like, I was like, pestering. B. Gonzalez was like, she's a part of posse. And she, you know, she was the reason why I got accepted into bawsi. Right. So I was really close with her. And I was like, hey, you know, like, this is a big thing, you know, that I need, you know, because I'm feeling like in classes, you know, like, they're calling me by my, by this name that I don't identify as more, you know, and I just really need help, you know, in terms of like, navigating all these things, you know, so there wasn't that there. Like, there was an amazing system. And all, in the beginning, there was definitely not nothing that I put your pronouns on, you know, so, yeah, navigate that in classes, but also, like, you know, when I go to, you know, the bar star when I do this, or when I do that on campus, you know, there was a lot of barriers there. And then, as well, there was, in terms of like, housing was a thing that I had to navigate to, right, because we have to stay in dorms, you know, freshman and sophomore year. In their gender dorms. Right, there was that. I think, there they were, I don't even know if I think there was the LGBTQ floor. But I didn't know that until it was too late. You know, it was I was like, Okay, this Yeah, awful for me anymore. So having to navigate that, too. Yeah, it just just kind of trying to find community initially was was challenging because, like, the center, you know, I think they were trying to, to do more kind of outreach in terms of like making their presence known on campus at that time. So there wasn't that much, I guess, kind of draw to the resource center. So not a lot of folks were like involved and things like that. So that was kind of hard to, but I did, you know, connect with some of the staff that was working there. So it was pretty cool. But yeah, I would say like, it was challenging to try to find community and to still chat and neck things, especially as navigating the institution as a black trans man, you know, that was hard. But then navigating things socially, as a black trans man was difficult as well, because I felt like I was definitely trying, trying to fit into like, heteronormativity you know, what I mean, and trying to present myself in a certain way that wasn't necessarily authentic. But I think again, you know, part of that, too, was trying to figure out what was safe and what was not, you know, and I mean, so like, Is this safe for me to be like openly queer, openly trans? You know what I mean? For the most part, it kind of wasn't. Because I didn't know anybody that was, you know what I mean? So I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna assume it's not safe, because there's no one that's openly doing this, you know? So. So yeah, those things were kind of kind of, kind of more challenging there. Yeah, and I don't know where I was going. I forget. What was the question?
Rio Flores 30:28
I was, um, no, it's, I'm glad he was able just to talk about how it was, you know, back then, because I know, you know, there. I think when I first was a freshman, this there wasn't like, a lot of there wasn't a lot. Yeah, there wasn't a lot, you know, I don't know, there's a better way to phrase that. But, um, I feel like, once COVID hair and, you know, out there not to get a shoe, I felt like, they had to make more of a effort to do like, basic, general, basic, good. And this could mean anything, like, you know, like, providing more aid to students like opening like, more programs, or providing more funding for scholarships. Having pronouns and like, I like to change your name, but there is like, I feel like there's still limitations, you know, there's still harm, like, when bursts are like, you get a bill from a branch, or it's, it's gonna bring you that name. Like, I feel like, it's like, right, it's like, um, yeah, if they give you like a cookie, and
Azarius Williams 31:40
you're reminding me like, I remember like, it was medically transitioning was like, like, finding resources in Syracuse was really tough as well, because the resource center, they did what they could regulate, but they didn't really know too many places of, okay, well, maybe you can go here and try this space out. But it wasn't like necessarily like a full like, Okay, well, these are the places you can go to for, you know, hormone therapy, or this is the process, you know, what I mean? So I had that whole process kind of by myself, you know what I mean? So I had to figure out, okay, I need, I need to, like, get a letter right, from a therapist, which is bullshit, right? I need to get a letter from a therapist at a time, right? That's what I need to get a letter from a therapist. So I had to enroll in therapy at Syracuse, I need to find a place that does, you know, hormone hormone therapy, had to find Planned Parenthood. But there's multiple ones in Syracuse, and there was only a specific one at a time that was doing it. So I had to make an appointment, right, I have to do all of these things, I have to give my consent, I have to go through like talk to a doctor. Basically, there was so many steps, right. And I had to basically research all that by myself. So figuring out what I needed documents wise, and trying to figure out which places offered, you know, medical support to help me transition. And also figuring out insurance and it was like a mess. I'll tell you it was a mess. And, you know, when I was abroad, one of the things like I loved being abroad, it was it was dope. One of the things that was like a huge headache was during that time, I was trying to switch my insurances from I was on my mom's but my mom's didn't have, you know, the coverage that I needed to be able to get top surgery, for example. So switch insurances to the school is assurance, that was a fucking nightmare. That was like a nightmare. I had to make calls, like every other day to really like, I was doing 1000 things trying to switch. So it was like, I would say, from a medical standpoint, like that was really hard. At the time, I don't think there was really a real roadmap or guide on like, what to do, or what, what resources were out there. I felt like I had to really find them myself and really tried to, like, parse through like all the legal language and like, try to figure out like, Okay, well, this is what I need to do. These are the documents I need, etc. And actually, during that time, sophomore year, I I had a legal name change too, so I was navigating that shit, too. And then like navigating that with the school, because it's like, Alright, now my name is legally changed, right? So now y'all acids can dad named me no more. Yeah, I mean, so like, just update it, you know what I mean? But even updating it was not an easy process, because it will be updated in this one place. And then my dad name will pop up in another place. I'm like, What the fuck? Like, I gave you all my papers, whatever. So just like all of those different. It was, I would say, Yeah, Syracuse, wasn't that was not equipped to really deal with supporting trans students. I think a lot of that work was put on the shoulders of trans students to navigate all of these different frameworks like legal frameworks, medical frameworks, individually, you know, and try to figure out how to be authentic to themselves in that space, you know, and to be recognized as who you are right? Not just like socially, but also like, okay, institution, you, you have to recognize me as me, you know. So there was some concerns there. And I even had some concerns like damn as my, as my degree going to be in my dead name, even though I've updated this, you know what I mean? Like several times where my slice is saying it's updated, but I'm still seeing things it's not. So it's like, there were so many different pieces, I think, when it comes to, I guess, institutionally, what resources weren't there, at least during my time, and just kind of like having to navigate all of that alone was really challenging. And I felt isolating too, because I'm like, damn, I gotta go through all this kind of by myself, and try to make make Do you know, with, with my own research skills. So that was
Rio Flores 35:55
it I like, I guess, um, I heard of, because I haven't, you know, legally changed my name. But I heard like, a lot of times, like, let's use it is just because like, even after you do it, there's still places that aren't changing records or aren't like, and it's and it's not even a name change, it's Cubase, it was just like, changing the sex, from x to m, and it takes forever for you to read change the box, you could just check off, you know, and it's, um, I think Syracuse doesn't, I feel like, you know, they, they tried to pride yourself on like, being inclusive and, like, supportive. But then there's like, a lot of like, this lack of that sense support. And not allowing students to space to like, explain, or just like, you know, like, you're not really listening to like, what we've been seeing if we're still having the same problems, like over and over again.
Azarius Williams 37:01
And so, you know, students marginalized students know what they need, you know, what I mean, and it's been like, the same, you know, we've experienced this where it's like, we say what we need, right, and then the university is like, we hear you. Yeah, and it's the same issues over and over again, you know, what I mean, like, people have been saying, you know, the things that they need, you know, and have been advocating for those things for years, you know, what I mean? Decades, so, it's really not a lack of knowing it's a lack of, like, not being committed enough. So those students to really make the changes happen, that, you know, best support them, you know, and like, we were saying, Name Change is a big thing. You know, gender markers are a big thing, you know, and those are the most important things to making sure that trans students feel validated and seen and safe on campus. Right. And when those two things are not able to happen, it causes a lot of, you know, dysphoria and discomfort, and, you know, it makes you feel alienated on campus, and like, you don't belong there. It can be simple. And it doesn't have to be a whole, you know, kind of like, painstaking process, right? For the trans individual, when it's like, okay, well, what are the supports that we can provide as an institution to y'all, you know, that should always be kind of the, the, the, the primary move there, but, you know, I can say
Rio Flores 38:28
we can say a lot. Um, I guess, um, something, I guess we could talk about your experience something, you know, so positive, instead of focusing on su itself, but how was your study abroad? You know, because you also said that this was an attempt, he was navigating, you know, like insurance changes and legal name changes. So, like, Was that difficult? Or, you know, how was it? Because, like, I know, like, some trans folks that, like, when they try to study abroad, they try to bring, like a vial to make it last, you know, or what, just how was it in general?
Azarius Williams 39:09
Yeah, so yeah, definitely. I was definitely trying to figure out all of those things like, Okay, I need, you know, supply for the next five, six months, right. I need to make sure I have my passport, but I don't want my passport to say like that name, right. I don't want my passwords to say the wrong gender marker, right. So how do I try to you know, fix those things that way? It's not an issue. Like if I'm going through customs, right, I don't want to be stopped. From customs. I was really worried because, you know, at the time, I didn't have top surgery, and that was wearing a binder. So I'm like, Okay, well, am I going to have to, you know, am I going to be flagged, you know, when I go through security because I'm going to buy it, right? i Yeah, so I was trying to figure all of those things out and I'm like, Okay, well, is my Packer gonna be proud, like, all of these days, like, you know, real concerns, you know, I mean, and I've been feeling like damn, like, Nobody understands by the trans people, you know, I mean, like, airports are a scary thing, you know, for trans folks, for all those reasons, right. And I think I was like trying to minimize those risks as much as possible. So, prior to me going, I was really researching ways that I could like, get a supply for tea prior to leaving, you know, because I knew, you know, if I was in Hong Kong, I probably wouldn't have been able to get my scripts filled. So I needed to have a supply that lasted. So I just kind of talked to my doctor and things like that, and then I was able to get it. And also, they wrote me like a note a letter saying, like, Okay, well, this is, this is, you know, as needed for this reason, they didn't explicitly name and I was like, transitioning, but they said, This is a supply that is approved by a doctor, etc. That way, you know, they wouldn't see all of these vials and be like, What the hell with what you're doing, you know, and these needles, you know, so what's going on? You know? So yeah, thankfully, you know, my doctor's office is really understanding what that they wrote me a letter saying that all of these supplies are needed. For me. Another thing that happened in two was, I had a letter I, from when I legally transition, you know, at least my might change my name and got my gender marker change, I had to get a letter from my doctor saying this is, you know, to change my gender marker, why, you know, so I just had a copy of that letter with me, in case any shit went down, you know, I'm saying, and like, copies of my legal name change in case there was any issue. But on my passport, I was luckily able to have those things updated in those ways, because I had those documents. So when I went to get my passport, they were able to put my name as it was need to be changed. And then they were able to have my gender marker be changed, too. So those things I'm grateful for. Yeah, that I was able to figure out before I left it, yeah. And I would say pretty much the main worry for me was getting through customs, you know, with binding and things like that. But luckily, that wasn't there. I didn't get flagged or anything. So I was pretty much I was, I was sweating in the air. Well, it's like they're like, next to me. I don't know what's gonna happen. You know, because we were, we were traveling throughout as a group, you know, so I was like, this would be like, really kind of embarrassing, if I'm, like, pull to the side and like, question and pat down because like, of my body, you know, what I mean? And things like that. So. So yeah, I don't know, that was what was going on. But now that my broad experience, it was really, it was really cool. I really enjoyed it being abroad, I would say that was like, probably the highlight of my undergraduate tenure, I would say, because, like, I was able to travel throughout, I was able to make friends. Some of the friendships, I still have to this day, like, my roommate in Hong Kong, he he went to another university, because, you know, Syracuse partners or other universities. Yeah. But yeah, I'm still cool with him. He's actually coming to visit me in Chicago in December. So you know, like, it's like, it was a good time. And definitely a still value, you know, the experiences I was able to have there. And the relationships I was able to build there. So, it was cool.
Rio Flores 43:19
Yeah, do you? Um, I guess, like a maximum, it's more like a personal question. But like, do you feel like when you went up riding, you know, and being trans, like, did you feel like, it was like, okay, you know, like, just like, how was that experience is like being, I guess, away from his base that, you know?
Azarius Williams 43:45
Yeah, I think like, I think definitely, what factors into it was his passing ability. Like, I think I felt like at that time, I was passing really well. So like, I, people assumed I was Sis, you know, and I didn't really have too many issues when it came to that, to my gender, or anything like that, or people clocking me as trans and like, experiencing violence or anything because of that, thankfully. And I think like, you know, yeah, I think what was part of it, for me was like, having, I think part of it for me, it was like being being forced into being stealth, because I really was, it wasn't I just couldn't gauge the safety of the situation, you know, what I mean? And it makes and relationships. But actually, you know, kind of towards the end, I like I was like, connecting with some people, and we were talking about like, me being trans and all this stuff, and it was just fine. You know what I mean? So, I think, you know, and even after the fact, I was really nervous of like, telling my roommate, you know, like, hey, like, I'm trying to whatever. So really, it didn't happen. This is like after the program was over, where he was like, Oh, all right, like, you know, it was not most so like, I think like, really? I will say I didn't have, I will say I had internal internal conflicts about that, you know, in terms of like, because I was I was passing, you know, so that meant that I was like stealth, and I was really trying to gauge you know, having to having to, like, present as a certain way. You know what I mean? Having people assume that I'm sis even though it wasn't,
Unknown Speaker 45:31
you know? Yeah. And then yeah, I would say that's pretty much that's pretty much the main thing.
Rio Flores 45:40
Okay, yeah, I mean, I was just wanted to know, I, I've been conflicting in my head, whether to go next semester. Okay, where are you gonna go? I been conditionally accepted. I have not got my password. Because I'm not I'm may have to my password. I don't think it would have, it would have definitely had like my birth name. I see. Um, so like, I haven't even thought about that. It's just my selective depressive of getting everything ready. But I just been completely unaware to go to London or not,
Azarius Williams 46:24
you know, what program would you be doing? If you if it was just
Rio Flores 46:28
be like the regular London program. And I would have to take like a sociology course just to finish my major. And like it course, which, like, you know, the questions I need were offered. So everything works. Technically, I just been, I guess the reading some things in my head going abroad.
Azarius Williams 46:51
Okay, your main concerns are kind of about like, you know, being trans abroad, kind of a thing.
Rio Flores 46:57
Yeah, I'm just like, also, like, I, I like, I kind of have like, the only like, idea, I really have, like real, we're probably my school ID because like, I was able to get the change. But I don't have like, any real like, I be like the real so like, everything would kind of be with my, my dead name. But I was born. So just about, like social interactions, you know, like, it's also like, going abroad. Like, I know, London is a lot more like, there is like, a lot of queer lives in London. But I was just more so worried about, I guess, like, just interactions, living in flats with like, people. Yeah. Either that, you know, like, I'll probably meet some folks because it's worth as you. Um, but just like, I don't know, like, I, this is a lot of different things in my head.
Azarius Williams 47:54
No, definitely, definitely. And hopefully, all of those things are valid, you know, like, lodging, right? So who's going to be a roommate, like, having to navigate your living situation, and social interactions and things like that, all of those things? I was thinking of, too. And those were, like, huge worries for me when I was thinking of going abroad. But I think, you know, like,
Unknown Speaker 48:14
if you have, like,
Azarius Williams 48:17
a support system, you know, which I'm sure you do, and, you know, Su, you know, and things like that, I definitely feel like you know, if you're able to find or connect with, like, people who run the program, maybe you know, and kind of let them know, like, Hey, this is what's happening. If you feel comfortable, of course. I think you know, too, that could probably, they could probably help out, you know, if you have like certain like lodging like, or living kind of things that you might want. So like, Okay, I might need my own kind of, you know, thing because of this, then I think maybe you could ask the people at the Abroad Office, they're really helpful. They're really, really helpful for students, you know, and getting people to go abroad. So yeah, definitely, I would say, still consider it for sure. Because it's like a once in a lifetime opportunity, you know, and I feel like is, is a shame that trans people have to like, even deal with these kind of worries of like, should I even have, you know, should I miss out on this experience? Because of who I am, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, but in and of itself, you know, and, like, if you had the opportunity, you know, I definitely think you know, if you know, you should you should you shouldn't miss out just because, you know, you're trans you know, and that's not fair.
Rio Flores 49:30
No, no, thank you for I guess kind of your advice. I guess I'm the Somebody's here so that we can answer I guess I could get more data production, you know, I kind of as well. But do you have like any? I guess they said wisdom but any like advice regarding like, just based off that you learn from your experience. and says, you know, your experiences vary. Yeah, you know, but I just wanted to ask if you have any advice for queer folks or just non queer folks is, you know, the future youth in the community is you?
Azarius Williams 50:20
Yeah, I would, I would say, definitely be true to who you are. And show up as yourself. You know, one thing that I wish that I would have done is I wish that I would have accepted accepting myself fully. And I didn't try to try to fit in, you know, so much, because who I was, was okay, you know what I mean, and navigate, I feel like college is a time where you really navigating your interests, you're discovering more about yourself, what you like, what you don't who you want to be, right, there's a time where you're really trying to find what it is that you're passionate about, so that you can become that thing. I will say, be you, you know what I mean, the most important thing that you can do is be you and there's nothing wrong with be exactly who you are. I would also say, find community, find community, find other people who are going through what you're going through, or who have similar interests who have similar identities, right? Because those will be spaces. And those will be the places where you feel like you can really connect with people, and really share more about your experiences and find some kind of, I guess, refuge, right? Because a lot of times we can feel isolated, and what we're going through, you know, if we're disconnected from community, so I would say definitely prioritize community and finding that community on campus is, is really important. And that that will really carry you through, you know, having a support system is fundamental right to really being able to thrive in that environment. Um, another thing I would say is keep disrupting shape. You know, what I mean? Like, shit, you know, is not built for us, you know, and by us, I mean, black queer people, especially marginalized folks on campus is not a straight up not right. So disrupt things, say what you need to advocate for what you need. Yeah, and just and just just find community and be in community with people.
Rio Flores 52:26
No, thank you so much for that. I, you know, I think I also just want to say, I guess, hearing your experience, just because, you know, you it has been, we met when we was I was a freshman, excuse me was senior graduating. And now you're essentially almost close to finishing your master's program. Is you Chicago, you know, and it's, it's definitely been a journey and experience for you. I'm glad to hear your I guess, you just have to say, you know, because your experiences, how are your folks like, if similar position, tried to understand a lot more challenges, because I feel like you know, a lot of things more so like, isn't like a guidebook? Or? Like one simple thing? Yeah. Like, solve like questions. Everything is just so up, up in the air. And like, yeah, thank you. I guess. We can like, just wrap this up. I guess, just essentially, you mentioned resistance. And I guess, we can just talk about that in the sense of, you know, like, what are ways that you resist? Either now in your life, you know, how it was in Syracuse? When he was at SU. I just in general, you know, yeah, yeah. So
Azarius Williams 54:07
LSU I think it really came down to me realizing in my senior year that, you know, we have been requesting the same things, you know, for years, and they have been very simple things that could have easily, you know, and that it was intentional, while we were being deprived of what we needed. And that for me, I think that really pissed me off, you know, and that really fueled a lot of a lot of my frustrations with kind of the institution. But I think, prior to even that realization, I was experiencing marginalization before I even really knew it. You know what I mean? I was experiencing different things that made me feel isolated and disconnected from community, you know, and it wasn't until, you know, unfortunately, unfortunately, it wasn't until We were having these kinds of instances of, of, you know, hate crimes occur on campus that other individuals were able to realize that, that their experiences were not happening in isolation, right. So they were not only to them, but that this was something that was systemic, and that this was something that was happening to people that share the same identities, right? Wars, as if we were kind of like moving about campus, just kind of taking these, you know, the these, or experiencing this harm. And we were not able to really be in community with each other and trying to figure out how do we get rid of the heart? So I think like, that was kind of the time where, you know, that was happening for the first time people were realizing, okay, like, what I went through is not, is not like, you know, just me thing, you know what I mean, this is happening to you, this has happened in the US, you know, what are we going to do now? Yeah, so I think that was the first time I felt empowered, to make a change, and to also find a community of people who were experienced at some of the things, you know, that was a time where I was like, Oh, shit, there's like other black, queer people on campus. You know what I mean? I had no idea that that was even here. And you know what I mean? So it's like, that was time that I really found that. Yeah, so I think that was really, really foundational to my understanding of things. And I think during that time, you know, I really became exposed to just like, kind of kind of, like politics in a real way, and what it means exactly right, and how institutions function and how they function to harm, you know, martial arts folks intentionally Right. Um, so yeah, that was, I think that was kind of like my political awakening, I tend to imagine as, so definitely, that was a time where I was doing a lot of learning, and I'm still, you know, doing a lot of learning. Now, you know, my understanding has changed over time, definitely, and has become stronger. And I think, now, when I, when I came here, to Chicago to go to this university, now, I had a level of awareness that I didn't have going into Syracuse, right, of how institutions operate, how they impact the local community. And in this particularly black life, you know, in the surrounding areas. So coming into Chicago, I definitely wanted to be more intentional with how it was coming here. And I wanted to be more involved with people who were advocating for, you know, for their livelihoods, you know, advocating for the ability to thrive, not just survive, you know, what I mean? So, here, I got involved with some organizations, you know, I reached out to, for example, care, not cops, because they were going through the same thing that we went through, they're not again, Su. And from there, I was able to connect with another another organization where we kind of resist against displacement by the university, because that's a big issue here that the university is kind of presenting on to local communities, that has been a thing for decades, you know, just causing, you know, high rents in the area, causing 1000s of black families to lose their housing, or be and or be displaced from this these areas. So I've been connected with that. And I've been tapping in with kind of, like, local community orcs who have been in the work for decades on and advocating for, you know, better, better things for the community here. So, yeah, I would say Yeah, I'm definitely still involved in a myriad of things. And I think my understanding of everything kind of has propelled me into education and really wanting to, you know, educate black youth, and to really be a model for them as well as to kind of, yeah, I would say resist, you know, the, the frameworks of education that is intentionally built to harm them, you know, what I mean? And to you, and, you know, kind of to kind of keep them in this in this subjugated. positionality. So, yeah, those are all things that I've kind of been thinking about. And that's kind of why I think I'm here now in education, trying to really connect with black youth, and to really have critical conversations about, you know, the world around us and their place in it right and what we can do to change that.
Rio Flores 59:52
Thank you for I think saying that because I think, you know, just something we mentioned before is this like, educate Isn't system does not do a lot for you fans us, like when we talk about specific communities always being isolated and marginalized. There's just folks that continuously don't receive support, like don't receive just how, in general and I, when we talk about like, especially like, LGBT, the LGBTQ youth and like, within these communities, you know, they're, they're, you know, like they're left out, you know, they have, they have no one trying to explain things to them or, like, remove them from harm that's been like, something that's just like, you know, transphobic homophobic for segments that like, you know, still linger in education like so that lingers and classroom plans, like races, institutionalized racism that like, you know, specific classes don't want to teach specific things, you know, like when how, even somebody I suppose, like, just critical race theory, like being fused in classrooms is just like, you know, just more and more examples of how much harm is being caused his folks. I wanted to ask you a question. Suddenly, in the end, like on a lighter note, just like you could answer based off your experience at issue like, or like, just now in general, but like things that have brought you joy, you know, things that helped you do difficult times or, you know, just like coping through unless, you know, harlot institutions do.
Azarius Williams 1:01:49
Yeah, I definitely. Like I think, connections with with people have really brought me joy over time. And I think, in this moment, I would say my biggest source of joy is my nieces and nephew. Like, I really love them. And like I call them all the time because like that, just, you know, they just really brighten up my mood, you know, because they're like, my niece, my youngest niece, she's one now. My older niece, she's about to be five and my nephew, he's three, I'm obsessed with all of them, and they bring me a lot of joy. So yeah, I would say that and kind of like, yeah, I would say, people, you know, my friends and family, and definitely my nieces and nephew. Like, that's always say, that's my favorite, like, title that I carry is, being an uncle is like, the best thing for me. So, I really enjoyed, I really enjoyed that. And
Rio Flores 1:02:47
I think, you know, just there's things that I get to have in our lives, you know, that spark joy, and I think, happiness, or just joy, like within quick communities is something that like, unfortunately, like, isn't focused on as much, you know, because we're always experiencing like harm. And it's always trauma that, like, we don't have the resources to, like heal from, or space to heal. So I'm blessed. I'm glad that your nieces and nephew spoke that joy for you. And I think just focusing on joy, for the community overall, was something so important. Is there anything else you'd kind of like to share with anyone, anything you're grateful for? Yeah, yeah,
Azarius Williams 1:03:37
I would say I'm grateful for. I'm deaf, I'm definitely grateful for the relationships, the friendships, the experiences I had along the way, you know, like, even if they are no longer in the contemporary, right, I think they're all still important and have shaped who I am today and have, you know, provided me or helped me in the moments that I think I needed them the most. So yeah, I'm grateful for those past, present, and future. And I think, yeah, I can't say that, you know, I didn't have support because I definitely did along the way, you know, and I definitely had individuals that cared about me deeply and do care about me deeply. So I'm forever grateful for that. And blessed to have those individuals in my life or who were in my life at the time, because I think I really needed those those things in those moments, and I am always grateful for that. But before we go out, I wanted to know, what are some things that bring you joy? I know you asked me but I want to ask you as well.
Rio Flores 1:04:48
Um, I guess, I guess for me, it kind of be. I guess the community that I have, um, I think on campus as you Does it matter? I know the SU is a great institution, you know, stress specific folks, and you kind of see it, you know, who are the folks that su arms the most? Like, who doesn't enjoy their time as much? And I think one good thing that said he's has done was just allow me the opportunity to meet with people. I think the timing of me coming to LSU and meeting so many other folks, a part of the community. Like, I think that opportunities just allowed me to have my support system or just people in my life. Now that I could talk to that. No, no, me completely, you know, just know everything I've been through and I don't understand. I think that's, I think that's, I think that's what sparks joy. And also, I recently we have kittens. Yeah, like a lot of a lot of, like, a lot. I remember I never even like had a cat before. Whatever we may had, like, fostered a cat. Yeah, the caregiver. So we just have a question. And they were nice to look at, they're like, sleeping on the floor.
Azarius Williams 1:06:21
Nice. That's nice. Definitely, definitely. And I'm glad you know, that you, despite, you know, the experiences and things that they're that you have Su is traditionally I'm glad that you have, you know, that community on campus to support you, in folks who can, you know, hold you, you know, during this time, and really be there for you and understand you and that you don't have to explain, you know, who you are to those people. So, yeah, that's, that's definitely great to hear that you have that community to support,
Rio Flores 1:06:49
you know, thank you so much for that I am, I think something I was just talking about before, was that, you know, like, when I came here, as a freshman, I did not know a lot. You know, I felt like, I was a completely different person. And I just never had like the resources to, I just didn't, I never, like, there were just things I never knew. Because maybe like it just a part of me, part of my body denied it or just like, said that I wouldn't be able to, like, do anything about it, you know, and as best I was before. So I'm like meeting like, I guess the unfortunate events that happened on campus that led to not again, as you've allowed me to meet folks, within the community that I did, I never had like a connection to before, you know, because I feel like the most I had like a connection to like, where life was probably like, one of my friends who were also gay, and like in high school, and like, I'm pretty sure that they're also they're also like, in the same position as me as well as like, figuring out what everything means. But I'm glad that like I was able to meet you and I focused on part of the community when I was a freshman, because I guess he allowed me to use this time to see who I am going to be. Because I felt like I don't know, you know, you mentioned like, having to, like, try to finish them way to like, pass or just like, you know, I try to use that. You know, I when I think when I realized I wanted to transition I just like randomly decided to cut like, a lot of my hair off. I was it was like something like that was very dramatic. Like thinking about it now. Because I was like I really didn't, like I'm I'm I'm just thinking about it. Like I didn't know, I actually kind of want my head to be that long, but but I was just like it was like I had to do to say to you know, like processes in my head, like, you know, I don't know. But, you know, I'm just glad that I was able to meet folks within the community. And that'd be my introduction. Yeah,
Azarius Williams 1:09:28
yeah. And I'm, you know, I'm honored to hear that, you know, you know, that I've helped you in some way. We're happy to hear that. And I'm glad that you know, you've kind of found your way and you've found, you know, what, what authenticity means to you, you know, and what, who you are essentially right, so, yeah, I'm happy that that has happened for you and that you've, you know, kind of found your way and feel comfortable with who you are. Because yeah, that's definitely is definitely important. And I definitely resonate with parts of what Jim was saying, like, how like when you first started this, you kind of hear I didn't same thing you know what I mean? So, like in college, you know, there's definitely that initial pressure. I think, for anyone who's transitioning to like, Okay, now that I'm transitioning, I have to be this way or at the end. But it's like, still, you know, what is what are you fine, you know, define gender for you, you know what I mean? define for yourself. And, you know, be at your most comfortable within that, you know, versus trying to satisfy somebody else, you know, because you're not going to be happy with that. You're not going to be happy, happy doing that, you know, and it's not, it's still not going to feel right. Right. So like, determined gender for yourself. And what that looks like and feels like for you, is the most important thing that I've learned over the years. Definitely.
Rio Flores 1:10:42
No, thank you so much for, for everything, and even just getting the opportunity just to talk to you. It's been a pleasure catching up. And also being able to hear your experience more because, you know, I didn't know like, fully what your experience was growing up. And it's always so it's nice, just to hear more experiences from more folks within the community.
Azarius Williams 1:11:06
So definitely, thank you so much. I'm like, I saw you your name pop up. Oh, shit, like, so yeah, of course. I was happy to connect and to do this. And I'm happy that you, you know, you thought of me, you know, that you thought of me, to include me in that. So thank you for me and your project. And I hope you and you and everybody else is chillin and doing and doing all right. So it was set to
Rio Flores 1:11:32
you know, I definitely will i i appreciate everything. I feel like I'm definitely going to keep in contact. Yeah. Questions. Um, but thank you again for everything.
Azarius Williams 1:11:46
Of course. Thank you. Thank you, Rio. All right. I'll see you. Yeah, let's stay in contact. It was nice to hear from you. I want to see what's going on and how you how you're doing, you see, yeah,
Rio Flores 1:11:55
Boris, thank you so much again. Bye. Bye.
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