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Creating a design concept for a kitchen or remodeling an outdated bathroom requires an understanding of the products and services available to those looking to undertake such a project. The ProSource Podcast breaks down the home remodeling industry and highlights the merchandise and experience that it requires to achieve your vision. Join ProSource Director of Digital Marketing Content Kevin Devine, as he speaks with those who facilitate the ideal project and offer valuable information for how to choose the ideal products and services that transform your ideas into reality.
Welcome back to the podcast, everybody.
Today I am sitting here with one of our
very own trade pro members, Tracy Mee.
She is the owner over at ProPath
LLC located in the Oklahoma City area.
Tracy brings decades of design experience
to her work.
Taking a thought for big picture approach
to commercial and corporate interiors.
From reimagining floor plans
to selecting materials, furniture and art,
she helps organizations create spaces
that are functional, cohesive,
and built to perform for the people
who use them every single day.
I. Tracy, thank you so much for coming on.
It's a pleasure having you.
Thank you. It's fun to do this. Yes.
And today's episode,
we're really just going to learn
more about you, your business,
how you got started.
And then I thought we could, of course,
talk about some, remodeling trends.
And I'm actually really excited
to have you on because I don't know
if we've had a trade pro member
that exclusively,
just works on commercial projects.
Okay.
So it'll be cool to get that,
different side of the industry in here
with that knowledge.
But before we dive into those trends,
I know you've had a long career,
a long and layered design career.
From working alongside your mom
in the residential design world to now
leading the full commercial focused firm,
can you walk us through
your path into design
and how you started your business in 2017?
Sure.
I would have to say, honestly,
my path into design,
it's it's always been my life.
I mean, even from a young, you know,
child, I was always, drawing, sketching,
painting, like designing things.
And it's just a part of me.
And then growing up,
my mother was a really very big,
interior decorator in downtown Chicago.
So I grew up around that.
And I, you know, certain
that obviously had an impact on me,
whether I knew it or not at the time.
in college,
I was a merchandizing marketing major,
and I think even at the time
I was thinking more like retail,
you know, fashion design,
which I kind of did go into for a while.
After I graduated, undergrad,
I was in retail management,
and then I was a buyer for a couple of,
you know, stores.
then I actually, went to Paris
and went to Parsons
School of Design for my graduate work.
then, became an illustrator.
For designers.
But that was at that point in my life
I was, you know, very, very heavy.
Heavy, you know, into, you know, fashion
design in the fashion world.
Left Paris, came back, got married, still,
you know, was like,
what am I going to do?
You know, actually started a children's
clothing line.
So I designed a children's clothing
line at a showroom, in Dallas.
And then, my husband and I,
we got pregnant with our first child,
and that kind of, you know,
put the brakes on a lot of career stuff.
at that point, my family was my focus.
although I was still kind of
doing some work with my mom,
you know, residentially.
And that was still filling,
you know, a need and,
you know, it was still a creative outlet
for me, really got involved
in, landscape design
to kind of at that point.
So there I shifted again.
You know, it was just another creative
outlet for me, and really learned
a lot about, you know, plants
and, and horticulture and all that.
So I was doing a lot of, work
professionally, not only just, you know,
for, you know, residential, landscapes
But also I was doing,
some, like, restaurants,
professional buildings, like I was doing.
Yeah. There outside landscaping.
Then probably the next thing for me,
which sadly, my husband
and I got a divorce and I was kind of
in a place where I was like, okay,
I've got to really figure this out.
And, that was really kind
of the birth of ProPath.
And I just decided that I,
you know, wanted to do that.
You know what I knew I was good at
and what I loved and hopefully it would
be, you know, profitable too.
And that was really kind of
when I, you know, focused back into,
residential interiors
and then how ProPath
really switched into,
the commercial corporate world.
Was my I got married again
and, been married now for five years.
And my husband, Greg now, he's
a commercial real estate he needed help.
He needed a lot of help
when it came to really doing interiors,
not only just, you know, filled outs
for his, for the buildings themselves
or for for tenants.
And, you know, he would be restructuring,
you know, you know, leases
and all these kinds of things.
And they would be asking for, well,
we want, you know, we want,
you know, this office to be renovated
or we want, all new, you know,
we need a new break room or whatever.
And so when it came to, well,
who was doing, you know, who was designing
all these things for you and who were
who was picking out all these materials?
Well, they were winging it.
He and his partners were winging it,
and it was awful.
Yeah, it was a mess I've ever seen.
And I was like, we got to do new help.
So that was really kind of
how it came about.
And so he hired me, you know, my company
and I've been doing that's
really how I got into the commercial side
of, of interior design.
Yeah.
And now I do, I so do a lot for,
for him in terms of,
you know, his buildings and the tenants.
But now I have a lot of tenants.
Those tenants, you know,
they'll reach out to me and hire me
now for, you know, other specific things.
It's really just evolved
and it's grown, so.
But that's naturally evolved, too.
Yeah. I feel like.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
And I would have to say that's
that's really pretty much how it happened.
So here I am in the interior world.
Know that that is cool
how I feel like you probably
never expected to be here back
when you were in Paris, right?
Studying fashion. Very true.
And then looking well, you know,
I had you probably
didn't think you'd be where you're at now,
but you seem really happy about it.
And you're actually not the first pro
I've had on that.
Had a background in fashion design.
I feel like sometimes there's
a through line from designing clothes
to designing homes
because I've had like to,
I think to other interior designers
on, that haven't had that have done that.
Yeah.
And it's interesting too,
because I feel like commercial spaces are.
Yeah.
There's a focus too on like how it looks.
It's important
that everything looks cohesive
and there's a welcoming aura about it.
Right.
But it's also comes down
to a function too, like when people
are trying to get their work done,
they want everything to function properly.
So yeah, it's interesting
how you went from kind of with fashion.
It's very flashy.
It's there's obviously function there,
but it's all about how it looks.
And same with maybe residential too.
And then now you're
you're at something that's way
more about the functionality of it.
do you think that challenges
your creativity or how does that, like,
relate to your creativity and success
going from residential to commercial?
Yeah.
Well,
everything that you just said is so true
because residential interior design,
it is.
It's it's way dramatic, dramatic.
It's way more glamorous. It's way more,
you know, flashy.
There's flair, there's style.
There's there's just,
you know, massive impact esthetically and,
and all of that where, you know,
in the corporate commercial world,
you know, you really don't have that
because it, it is it really
is about function
and you know, reliability
and you know, you've got to have a space
that works for, for either, you know,
could be two people
or it could be 200 people, you know,
in this in the company or whatever.
So there is a shift there.
you still have to be creative.
You know, you still have to come up
with ideas and ways to make
something work for, like I said, these
five people or, you know, these 50 people.
So you you still have to be very creative.
And I think it maybe is also more problem
solving is really what.
Yeah, absolutely.
What you're what you're working towards
is, you know, for example,
you know, let's say I've got,
there's a new tenant coming in to one of,
you know, a building and they've got,
you know,
ten current employees, but they're growing
and they know, you know, within a year
to the year and a half,
they're going to be probably hiring,
you know, anywhere from,
you know, 10 to 20 more people.
So you really have to think about,
okay, well, I've got
I've got to come up with something
for the existing ten people,
but also what
I have to create for something
that's going to work down the road
and how that all is going to come together
and integrate,
you know, and flow, as I say.
So yeah, there
still is a lot of creativity involved.
It's just not exciting. It's just more
yeah, you
know, it's just more brass tacks for sure.
And I was just thinking of this too.
I have you seen maybe there'd
be a shift in the last, maybe since Covid,
I feel like since Covid,
a lot of businesses
have turned into either hybrid
where they're coming into the office
half the week at home, the other
half the week, or completely remote.
But I know in recent years
there's been this shift of companies
trying to get their employees
back into the office.
So have you seen that?
I guess, influence
how companies are looking at their spaces
and maybe they want to make
maybe they want to update their space
to kind of pull those employees back
into coming into the office, because I,
I feel like maybe there's been like a
and I could be totally wrong on this,
but there's been a
pressure of employees are expecting,
okay, if you're making us come back
into the office, it needs to be updated.
And it was.
I want it to be a place that looks that
I want to be working in.
Right.
Have you seen that affect anything at all?
Yeah, definitely.
And I would even also say that, you know,
just from listening to my husband who,
you know,
you know, being a commercial real estate,
guy for his whole life,
there was a, a big, big trend
right after Covid, where people
were leaving wanting out of their homes
and back into an office,
which for him was great, you know?
Yeah.
Because the
before Covid, when everybody was leaving
and working at home,
it was not good for
the commercial real estate industry at all
because people were leaving their offices
and staying home.
Yeah. From that aspect.
People were were kind of, you know,
flooding back to an office space.
Yeah.
You did have to, you know, a lot of the,
a lot of the people
that were maybe still doing hybrid you,
you know, half and half and, you know,
I think a lot of the, trend was let's
make let's make offices more inviting.
Let's make them more, you know, appealing
to, some of these people
that, you know, because we do want,
you know, people back in these offices.
And I think that really was probably,
you know,
how the commercial real estate world
probably, you know, worked leases,
you know, to get more tenants,
to probably sign longer
leases was like, look, we'll
we'll make all these renovations for you.
you signed a ten year lease and we'll,
we'll do this, you know, X whatever.
Yeah.
So I think that that was probably
where a lot of that was seen,
you know,
to really go back into office buildings.
So they weren't sitting empty.
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Or they don't look like they're from 1990
anymore.
Right, right.
And we've had a lot,
you know, a lot of the buildings
that I have worked on, you know, they,
they might have been built in the 60s
and maybe they weren't in terms
of like decor and interior
haven't been touched since 1980, you know,
and the things that it.
Yeah.
That were, you know,
cool and, and, and trendy back then,
you know not not so much.
So. Yeah. Yeah.
I have my work
cut out for me, know for sure,
because I know you mentioned when we were
communicating before this podcast,
you kind of do a little bit of everything
and you're kind of like a one woman show.
You're part
architect, part designer, art consultant.
You're doing a little bit of everything.
What, does your typical.
I know not every day is typical.
It's probably very different every day.
But what does a typical day look like
when you're starting on a project?
how it really goes is, you know, I some
I'll get handed, kind of like a, you know,
just a packet of here's a new tenant.
They're moving
in, or they just signed a lease.
These are the things that
they have requested that we we do.
Maybe they want a bigger break room.
Maybe they want, you know,
they need a bigger conference room.
And the space that they want to lease
doesn't have that.
So I'll get the as built,
you know, floor plan,
the architectural floor plan, and,
you know, manipulate.
Okay.
If we take out that wall, you know,
this will create,
you know, a much bigger space for
for their conference room or, they need,
you know, whatever it is that they need,
we can manipulate,
you know, the space to achieve that.
And then the next step is, is typically,
okay, we got to figure out
what kind of Florida they want, you know,
are is it heavily trafficked area?
You know, are they going to have a
is this a company
that has a lot of clients coming in?
Do they have a lot of clients?
You know, how much foot traffic
is going to be there.
So you got to make sure your flooring,
you know is going to be able to withstand
that kind of wear and tear.
So there's those decisions.
And then of course, you want to, you know,
you want to figure out, you know what,
what's the color palette.
You know, and typically I will just say
you know, it up and up and front,
you know, to, you know,
whoever is the the person in charge
of making those decisions
for that company or, you know, the tenant,
you know, are you, you know, are we
grays are we, you know, warm tones?
and sometimes they'll say, yeah,
I just want something I like. Right.
Or I like, you know, I like blue or I,
you know, I'm good with tans and,
you know, earth tones, whatever.
So it just kind of gives me a direction
on really what, you know, where to start
selecting, colors and things.
And then we just after we nail down
flooring and, and paint colors,
you know, then we move to furniture,
and then artwork and just, you know,
kind of accessories and those types
of things and, and a lot of times,
and I will have to say, most of the time,
the tenants that I work with
really don't care
which. Yeah, I was going to ask.
Okay, so the flip side of working,
you know, from working
with a residential client versus
working with a commercial, you know,
corporate client, you know, obviously,
yes, there are pros and cons to both.
But one of the beauties
and one of the things that I do love
about being more in the commercial,
interior world is that,
you know, you don't have to deal with
the people you don't have to do.
Yeah, for sure.
No homeowner you hire,
you know, they hire you, and then it's
I mean, they wear you out.
They absolutely eventually
can wear you out.
And I really don't have it.
Like, they just, you know,
they'll say, here's what we've got.
This is your budget.
Just do it for us.
Oh yeah. It's
nice. It's really nice. Yeah.
I just do my job and I have, you know,
I have the leeway to kind of pick
the things that I think, you know,
that are going to look good in the space.
So that's really kind of how it flows.
And of course, it's also some things here
and there.
I mean, you know, this just happened
for, you know, a case in point here,
we had a tenant.
We were redoing a break room for them.
And then when it was coming
to the millwork, which we were doing,
you know, other cabinetry, we had uppers,
lower cabinets, you know,
do you want a dishwasher?
Do you, you know,
are you going to have an icemaker
or do you want to, you know,
your under counter beverage fridge and
I had the
whole thing specked out,
you know, and these are custom cabinets.
Right.
And then they come around and we're like,
oh, we really didn't.
We would much rather have this over here.
So there are going to be some snacks.
And so then you're like, well this has
already gone to production, you know.
So yeah, you know,
you still have some of those things.
But I would say for the most part,
obviously
if they if there's any structural changes
that, you know, a tenant wants or client
wants, you start there.
Of course.
And then you just, you know,
you just from the ground up basically,
you know for sure.
And I know all of our members work
with ProSource
in a variety of different ways
at different stages of their project.
At what point do you turn to ProSource
and utilize that partnership
for your projects?
Well, once
I kind of have an idea of, you know,
what the flooring is going to be, is it
going to be, you know, luxury vinyl tile?
Is it going to be,
you know, commercial grade carpet?
Are we going to have ceramic tile
or are we going to have,
you know, whatever
it is, once, once the materials are
what they are going to be,
then I go to ProSource
and, you know, work with my rep Tara.
And, and and select then start selecting,
you know, the specific things.
And then of course in the color palettes
that, you know,
we've already,
you know, decided what that's going to be.
And,
and the great thing about ProSource is
for, you know, I don't
I have yet to have to say, oh, wow,
you just don't really have
what I'm looking for.
I'm going to go to another vendor
or another manufacturer or I mean,
they are very, very, very on top of,
current trends
and in the variety of materials,
whether it be flooring or whether it be,
you know, tiles, whether it be,
you know, like for, for showers or,
or backsplash is whatever there is, it's
the variety is endless.
So, you know, for me,
I they've always had what I need
and they're,
and they are really good about saying,
hey, this is something new
that we just got in, this is something new
from Shore Carpet
or this is something new from Dow tile.
This is you know, so they are
they are up on all the trends.
I really do rely on them for that.
That's awesome.
I was going to ask if it,
if ProSource partner with ProSource
gave you any confidence in your projects.
And it seems like you just kind of
answered my question, I feel like
I feel like that's a yeah, right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I mean, I'm not going to say that I don't,
you know, look around and I'm not,
you know, there are other, companies that
rep different lines and things like that.
But I would say for me,
and being here in Oklahoma City,
there is no competitor to ProSource
I mean they just that's awesome.
Yeah.
I mean they just have, you know,
the showroom you know, it's it's massive.
And you walk in in there
sometimes it's almost
it gets hard to choose
because there's too overwhelming.
Oh which is a good problem I think
it's so it's
better to have exact too much of it.
And they are. Yeah. They're.
Yeah.
ProSource has been a huge help
to you know to me. Yeah.
That's awesome. Absolutely. Yeah.
And we were talking a little bit
about the, art and furniture,
kind of like the finishing pieces
of what you do.
How do those final layers
elevate the space
from being functional to intentional?
And would you say that is like your
favorite part of the project at all for.
Because for me,
I would say that's my favorite part,
but I'm interested to hear what you think.
Yeah, I would say I would say
that it could probably might be
my favorite part, only because it does
give you that little bit of flair.
You know, it does give you that
a little bit of, okay,
you know, we're not in just some sterile,
you know, office space.
You know, it is an actual you know,
you do get a little bit of style when you,
when you, you know, start plugging
in furniture and of course, artwork too.
commercial spaces.
Get trickier when
they the bigger of the company
because you have to appeal
to a lot of people, you know,
like you can select and especially
when it comes to art because, you know,
art is very, very, very subjective, right?
I mean, you know, in beauty's
in the eye of the beholder.
So it's like what you might think is,
okay, wow, this is really, really cool.
And this would look great here.
And I love the subject matter.
You know, whether it be
you know, whatever,
maybe it's still life of,
you know, of, you know, flowers
or wood or nature or something.
You know, the next person that works by
there is going to go,
oh my God,
I hate that the so gross and so boring.
Or why would somebody put that there?
And that's when that's
when you know it does get challenging.
But think with those pieces though,
the furniture and the art yeah,
it is the final layer and it does kind of,
you know, it can soften the space,
you know, so you don't feel like you're
walking into some cold, you know, machine
business, you know, office type feel.
So yeah.
Yeah.
And would you say
have you had any clients of yours?
I know you talked about how usually
they're just trusting you with the vision
and everything.
They're kind of letting
you do your own thing, which is great.
Have you ever had any instances
where there is a tenant or client
that is like, hey,
we we need to make this piece of artwork
work somewhere in the space, or like,
this has to be up.
And how do you how do you like maneuver
the rest of the design,
the remodel around the one
specific piece of art or like even a logo?
Yeah, yeah.
Very true.
You know, yes, that has happened.
And so far
I've not really had a problem with it.
Like I haven't had like a,
you know, a case where it was like either
impossible to do or it just didn't work
or, nobody was happy with how we ended up.
I mean, it's it's luckily,
you know, it's it's worked out.
But there have been cases where I've had,
you know, the company, yeah.
Like specifically like with a logo.
And it's like, we've got to have it right
here.
It's got to be, you know, right here
when you walk in and we want it back lit
or we want you know, whatever it is,
if they're going to have it, you know,
some people even, like, have,
you know, like a mosaic
done, you know, of their company logo
or whatever.
And I would say honestly,
for the most part, it had like I said,
it has not been too difficult to do that,
but there are some people that are in,
you know, companies and corporate world
that, they do have a sense of style,
and they do have a sense of,
you know, sophistication when it comes to,
you know, materials or colors or,
you know, esthetically
how something you know, how your eye
visually, you know, see something.
So, and I welcome that I don't, I don't,
I don't, you know,
want that to not be the case.
I do like that because, you know, it
does it in a way.
Sometimes it does make my, my job easier
because then they can say, hey,
we really like this.
We really want that.
We, these are the things that,
you know, it helps, you know,
it gets a lot of the legwork
out of the way
because a lot of times somebody says,
oh boy, I don't know.
Then I got to bring a lot of samples over
in all color palettes,
you know, all different materials.
So it's a lot of lugging around stuff.
It's a lot.
It's a lot of ground work
that has to be done
first to finally just get to one point
where, okay, we nail down the furniture,
I mean the materials and the finishes
and the colors.
Now I can, you know,
now we can really move forward.
So sometimes it is easier when
somebody knows what they want, you know.
Yeah.
And then I can just say, okay, great.
I know exactly
and exactly what you're talking about.
You know, I'll, I'll grab a few things
and let's meet next week
and you can take a look at these samples.
it's kind of a give and take, but,
you know, when those things happen, like
I said, I to me, it's not something that
I just go, you know, here we go.
Yeah.
So it's just a different situation.
Probably.
Yeah. That. Yeah.
Like you said, could be nice
because they're at least
giving you some kind of direction. Right?
And you're not just totally hoping
and guessing that what you're doing,
they're going to
they're going to vibe like. Exactly.
Yeah. It's
I'm sure with like go ahead and sorry.
No, I was just going to say it's it's
probably it's the tenant
that kind of knows what they like.
But they're really not sure.
So like, well, can you just bring me
some things to look at.
And then they're like,
no, I don't like any of that.
Can you bring me
some more things to look at?
Well, I really don't like.
So that's the client that you go,
oh, it's the ones that you say,
I don't know and I don't care. Just do it.
And then it's the one that's like,
hey, this is really what I really love
this, and I love this color, and I or
I love this style of look,
you know, and then so those those are the
I guess it's like the bell curve, right.
You know, it's.
Yeah, those two clients are the ones
that are the easiest really to work with
for sure.
Yeah.
No, I feel like that probably is the same
with, residential too.
Like across the board.
Yes. For sure.
it's pretty rare
to find a residential client
that does it.
Doesn't care.
Yeah it does. You just go do it.
Just spend all my money.
I don't care, you know?
Yeah, that doesn't ever happen.
But for sure, I at least I think for me.
Yeah.
Comment below.
If that's happened to you,
let us know. Yes.
Right. Right.
So when you're looking at the future
of commercial design,
what trends or shifts are you paying close
attention to right now
as we're going into 2026,
are you seeing any new trends
pop up or anything
staying the same or what do you think?
Oh, I would say, honestly,
in the commercial world
there's really not much to say really.
Probably.
Mostly
if there's really a trend or anything
that's going to change the most, it's
going to be color palettes.
You know, that's really,
you know, like for a long while.
You know, countertops were,
you know, white
or really light gray, you know,
and that was just kind of the standard.
And then it was like, okay, you know,
you started to see like, you know,
some really dark color,
you know, you know, countertop surfaces,
like whether it was like, you know,
whether it be quartz or, you know,
any type of solid surface,
but like, darker colors were coming along.
So I would have to say, for me,
I do pay attention to kind of color
trends.
that also will translate into, you know,
the flooring, like carpet colors.
Like for a while everything was gray.
You couldn't find anything
that was like warm tan, beige or brown.
And because nobody was, that's
not what people wanted in their offices
and you couldn't find it.
So for sure, colors will always,
I think, be a trend.
But other than that, I mean, you just
you still have to stick with, you know,
commercial grade flooring,
whether it's carpet or,
you know, or real wood,
you know, from your even the luxury vinyl
tile, those are the things that I think,
for me, of course, it depends upon,
you know, what's the traffic, how heavy
is the traffic going to be in this space?
You know, because you can't have,
you know, carpet wear out after two years,
you know, or you don't want,
you know, wood flooring to be
scraped and scuffed and, you know,
because you're such high traffic.
So you know, those are the other things
that I think, and again,
you know, that's all, you know,
from like a manufacturer standpoint.
I mean, a lot of manufacturers
of these types of materials,
you know,
they have to think of that in mind, too,
when they're manufacturing something
that's got to be durable
and, you know, or waterproof,
you know, those types of things.
So I would have to say that
those are really the trends
that I see is mostly colors.
And then just how things are made
probably.
Yeah, I could I could totally see
the trend of just modernizing
office spaces, continuing, post-Covid,
like like we were talking about earlier.
And I feel like, like my generation
or younger generations coming up
or wanting color back into spaces, like,
we've seen that a lot in homes.
And I, I can see that happening
in the commercial spaces too, even though
obviously, you know, like you mentioned,
there's guidelines
that you have to follow.
But but like, I don't know, I feel like
Gen Z is expecting a more fun environment.
Yeah.
I could see companies moving
towards that to try to convince them
to come in the office.
So they're not wanting to work from home.
Yeah.
Especially with the younger generation.
Yeah. And I would say to.
And maybe what you just made me
think of something is,
a lot of very modern and,
really cool techniques of, like, say, how
desk could say
it could transform into something else,
you know, like whether a desk
could flip out and be to be two chairs,
you know, like those really cool things,
like, people are
people are designing those things
and that so that to me,
those are the things that are
that are very, very interesting, you know,
soundproof, like little, you know,
like individual, like little cubbies that.
Yeah.
You know what I mean? Like our look. Yep.
You're like, man, I want to sit in there
and I want to work
because that looks so cozy
and so comfortable
and it's soundproof or whatever. Yeah.
And let's just say once you're in there,
like you've got all these crazy things
that flip down or,
you know, the table goes
all the way up and hides into the side,
you know what I mean?
So those are kind of cool things too,
that I, that I really like to,
and I would love to implement
those things, you know, with,
you know, some of my clients.
But again, it's a need.
You know, it's a, it's,
that's a need basis thing, you know.
Do you have.
Yeah.
A company that's, that has
that wants to be perceived
at this as this really forward
thinking modern company.
You know, those are going to be the,
the clients for me
that want to do those types of,
you know, kind of wild, crazy things.
yeah, you were talking about like this
the soundproof room my, the last company
I worked at, we had those installed to.
Yeah.
Like little like so low working areas.
Yeah. And they were great.
Yeah. They're like all felt in there
but they've got like a.
Yeah it's really cool.
Like you know these tucked away
are cool like recessed lights.
Yeah.
yeah I know I thought it was perfect
because like like we're on a zoom.
Like a zoom type of call right now.
When we were on a zoom call with a vendor
or someone outside the company,
we didn't want to sit at our desk
with everyone else hearing or us
interrupting other people
talking on the phone.
So we would go in there
and schedule that that room.
So even just like something
really small like that really made
a big difference in our work environment.
So yeah, that's
that's a good thing to note on too,
is the functionality of different places.
And you even mentioned earlier
you know, having a space of ten employees.
But you know, in a year
there's going to be 50 employees there.
How do we design it
so that when that time comes,
we can utilize the space
to its full capacity?
And those little, function
functional desk
like you were talking about
something like that
that could be broken from one space
into multiple spaces could work. So.
Yeah. Yeah.
And there's and there's cool stuff
like that out there.
I mean, that kind of stuff's being,
you know, people are creating that
and manufacturing that.
And it's yeah, it's
neat. It's really cool.
And plus it utilizes,
you know, the space better.
And that's the other thing too, that,
that I have to think of is, you know,
I've only got you know,
so I've got, you know, 20 500ft² here.
I've got to make this work for a break
room, a conference room and 15 employees.
So, you know, you it's again.
Then that kind of goes back to your
question about, you know, creativity.
You have to really be thoughtful
and creative in
how do I maximize this space,
you know, with these needs getting met.
Yeah.
And this budget given to me to make it all
happen.
So, yeah, it's it's it's challenging.
So. Yeah.
So I'm, I'm I'm definitely, you know,
my brain is definitely getting used.
So that's great. That's awesome.
Yeah.
Is there anything exciting
that you have coming up
for the rest of the year
for your business?
Or any goals
you have for the next couple of years
where you'd want to work on next?
I would say probably,
I mean, I anticipate this year
being a lot of, of what it is
already and has been,
which is just because, like you said,
you know, about
more and more people, you know, even,
you know, coming out of Covid.
Now what? You know what?
We're six years out of seven year
or five years out of Covid,
more and more people are wanting office
space.
So, I think I think this is going to just
I think I'll still be pretty busy.
But I would say for myself,
you know, my future sites are.
I really would love to, start
doing more architectural design
in, like, designing homes or office
buildings.
You know, and,
so instead of doing, you know, really the,
the interior, I would really like
to design the structure.
Yeah, yeah. That's cool.
I that's something that I have yet
to do that I, that I, I,
I haven't scratch that itch yet
so that might have it.
It all starts with. Yeah.
It starts with your vision.
And you already know what that is.
So I think you'll be able to do it.
That's very I know, I hope, I hope
you got to just manifest that.
That it will happen.
Right. Exactly.
That's right. Positive thinking. Exactly.
Yep. Well, thank you so much for coming on
and sharing your expertise
about commercial design.
I know I really enjoy it,
just learning more about it.
And I know that our trade pro members,
anyone listening to this podcast
also, we're able to retain
a lot of good information about it.
hope it does and will
and you know, it helps somebody out.
I think it's like anything though,
you know, it's what it's
if you like doing it,
you'll stay in it and you'll love it
and it will be fulfilling
and you know, and all of that.
And it is fulfilling.
I mean, yes, there's headaches,
but there's headaches and what,
you know, everything.
You know, no matter what your job is,
there's always going to be a headache here
and there.
But yeah,
if someone's looking, for your services
and they're in Oklahoma City,
how do they reach you?
How do they how do they hire you?
Yeah, that's a good question.
I'm so busy, honestly, that,
I mean, I know I,
this is going to sound terrible.
I told you, I don't even have a website.
If you don't need one.
Hey, you know, I know, but
but I really probably should.
I just. It's.
My work truly has just been such.
You know, it's grown from word of mouth
and, Yeah,
that's the best way I really do. I've got.
I've got more than I can say
grace over right now.
But, Well, my, you know, my,
my email is just propathLLC@gmail.com.
I'll put your email in the episode
description.
So anyone listening if, if you're
in the Oklahoma City area also too,
you can if you, list my cell phone
number two because that is perfect.
I will do that.
Yeah, that would be great.
Okay, perfect.
All right. Well,
thank you so much. Thanks, Mollie. It was
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