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Mystery Maniacs Episode! In Podcast 179, a really bad man poisons steam and sells his daughter. Put the guts down, Julia!
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Mark
This is not a good time. She'll die without radar. You say your guy, right? Well, she's fine. She's a little sick. No side, sir. It's not the best time. You can't stop here.
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Sarah
Hey, maniac.
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Mark
Hey, Major.
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Sarah
Getting out of hand. You almost had Doppler on that.
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Mark
Mystery Maniacs is a comedy recap podcast dedicated to mystery TV. Each week, we dig into an episode of the show, including the murders, the mayhem, the loonies, and everything else We love this week. Murdoch Mysteries. Let us ask the Maiden.
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Sarah
Season two Episode 11 I'm Sarah.
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Mark
And I'm Mark the Spoiler podcast.
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Sarah
We're going to ruin it until you did.
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Mark
If you let your kids put on arsenic, make up their own enough to listen to the podcast, if.
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Sarah
They survive.
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Mark
I guess.
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Sarah
There arsenic all make up.
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Mark
Arsenic. Well.
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Sarah
Before we dive in.
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Mark
That's as clumsy a word as coreligionists.
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Sarah
Think that's a real word?
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Mark
It is a real word.
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Sarah
Arsenic.
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Mark
Arsenic. Go.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
Don't put your pickle in the arsenic.
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Sarah
Okay? That's not safe for kids.
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Mark
Not safe for anybody.
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Sarah
You got a real it back there.
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Mark
Some arsenic bread is even more.
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Sarah
Different than pumpernickel.
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Mark
Pumpernickel. And then we put the butter on it, and then.
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Sarah
A little bit of arsenic all.
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Mark
In Nice. A nice piece of.
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Sarah
I'm worried about what you're going to say next.
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Mark
Roast beef and then some, I don't know, some vegetables. And then on the top bread you put the arsenic of.
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Sarah
Mm.
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Mark
It's better than being kicked in the arsenic I guess.
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Sarah
Okay. Now that you got that out of your system.
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Mark
Speaking of nice things that people have said about.
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Mark
Mouth, that's what.
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Sarah
We were talking about.
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Mark
Oh, we're punchy already.
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Sarah
Birdie we're talking about birdie on on the read it.
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Mark
Ginger birdie.
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Sarah
So.
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Mark
We're not going to get into this other than to say somebody said something extremely nice about.
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Sarah
It.
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Mark
Yes this is what they said Mark and Sarah are the drift iest of badgers the lowest of midsummer's the littlest of worthies. They are the Tom two our Jones and the john to our winter. We promise relish for them and wash it down with a glass of poisoned wine from the vinegar. Why they've even go so far to say as we give up our unacknowledged child fathered by the Lord of the manor for them.
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Sarah
That's the nicest thing anybody's ever said.
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Mark
What a spectacularly nice thing to say.
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Sarah
Thank you, Birdie is so nice and truly a maniac. Compliments. Yes.
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Mark
Fantastic.
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Sarah
Right on.
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Mark
If there were imaginary fake coins on Reddit any more because there's not any more, I would give them all to you.
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Sarah
That's saying something. Because before they disappeared, we had a lot. Yes. Are you ready to talk about? Let us ask the maiden.
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Mark
Let us ask the Maiden Original Air Date, April 14, 20 1929. Sorry. Directed by Harvey Crosland, written by Jason Sherman. By the way, I realized I got to be careful when I'm in Canada because where I'm going next, I think I think it's the week after next. The new season of Murdoch starts in Canada now. Now, if you watch Murdoch and ACORN, season 16 is done.
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Mark
So we're all up to date, but Canada gets new episodes.
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Sarah
Oh, you can't be watching TV when you.
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Mark
Can't be watching TV and see like this week on Murdoch. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Sarah
You see a trailer and you're like, Oh, I ruined everything. Yeah.
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Mark
Speaking of ruining everything, September 22nd yesterday, because we're recording on the 23rd was Johnnie Harris's birthday.
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Sarah
Oh, happy birthday, Crabtree.
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Mark
What do you think we should give Johnnie Harris for his birthday?
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Sarah
I don't know, but he's incredibly brave in this episode. So a golden Billy club?
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Mark
Yeah.
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Mark
He get back here, you big bastards.
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Sarah
He goes after that Jersey guy who's ginormous.
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Mark
Yeah, And. And Total. He calls him a bastard.
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Sarah
Yeah, that's what I'm giving him. Cause he's deserved that.
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Mark
So guess how old Mr. Harris is.
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Sarah
40.
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Mark
47 yesterday.
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Sarah
Really? Yeah.
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Mark
Looks great for 47 months.
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Sarah
As old as I am.
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Mark
He looks great for 47.
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Sarah
Yeah, he does.
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Mark
Absolutely spectacular.
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Sarah
He's awesome. You ready?
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Mark
But he was just a wee lad in this episode.
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Sarah
Yes. Are you ready to get the record?
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Mark
That guy.
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Sarah
Best I can go after him.
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Mark
Okay, so this as an overview, is an episode about Jewish culture. And there are things in Jewish culture that are different than than the main character's culture.
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Sarah
To be fair, it's really about one greedy rat bastard who just happens to be Jewish. It really has nothing to do with it. It's it is secular.
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Mark
For the episode.
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Sarah
Yes, it is set amongst Jewish immigrants in Toronto.
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Mark
And I would have to say done not in a heavy handed, but a.
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Sarah
Respectful, respectful.
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Mark
Way. Absolutely.
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Sarah
I think that Julia and the rabbi are probably just going to hang out now. I think they're probably just friends. I mean, once you've cut somebody up together, you've got a bond.
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Mark
I do like how they start as somewhat adversarial and then realize that they're both really caring for the dead.
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Sarah
So. Absolutely. So Nathan Siebold quickly collapses.
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Mark
Yep.
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Sarah
During prayer after being a bit sweaty.
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Mark
Yes, very sweaty.
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Sarah
He's very sweaty and spits up some blood and then he's dead.
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Mark
I really wish. It's unfortunate, but the idea is that he's reading a text that is heretical.
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Sarah
The Zohar.
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Mark
The Zohar, which is unfortunate because I love all that stuff.
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Sarah
It's interesting, but it is a total red herring in this episode. It's not important.
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Mark
And there are tons of Jewish scholars and scholarship around all the weird and interesting things about Hebrew manuscripts.
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Sarah
MM The history of Hebrew manuscripts is really interesting.
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Mark
It's absolutely fascinating without it being like the weird numerology or anything. Like we know all that, that the story of the, the birth of those books being brought then into Christianity is super interesting.
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Sarah
For example, during when these men are praying, you notice the little headbands that they're wearing and the palm wraps that they're wearing. You know what those are?
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Mark
Those have those are little boxes that have Torah readings.
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Sarah
And tiny scrolls and yeah, yeah, they're called tefillin. Yeah. And they're bigger by and large. Well, that's kind of a pun. On average they're larger now than they used to be because the practice of this, they call it micro calligraphy.
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Mark
Oh, that's.
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Sarah
Super. That was necessary to copy these long passages onto tiny scrolls that that would then be put into those boxes because there's, I want to say three in each of the boxes. Wow. And it's a long passage, but that practice of micro calligraphy is kind of going away. So the boxes had to be made slightly larger till the new the scrolls.
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Mark
Oh, that's interesting.
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Sarah
I saw on the British Jewish Museum website, they have kind of an evolution of tefillin and their sizes.
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Mark
So that's super interesting.
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Sarah
Micro calligraphy.
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Mark
Micro calligraphy.
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Sarah
There's a hobby for you.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Not now. You have the patience to do that. No. Me neither. No. You know what else is dead?
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Mark
The place. The place.
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Mark
Called it.
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Sarah
In is a symbol of the relationship that is died.
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Mark
Dear Sarah, Click, click, click, click. I'm going to read out what I'm writing as I'm writing it. That. That. That's bad writing.
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Sarah
Well, better than to make us read what's being typed because that's really annoying.
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Mark
No, but the easy middle ground is to do a voice over. Yeah, but they don't do any voice overs in the rest of the show.
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Sarah
No, that Murdoch does not know how to write a letter. Yeah.
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Mark
Wow. What a letter.
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Sarah
He knows how to write a legal document or a treatise or something, but not an informal, heartfelt letter.
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Mark
It's. It's like when you read. Sometimes because of our jobs, we interact with extreme academics through email. Yeah, they write email differently than normal people write.
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Sarah
Can you include any words that have fewer than five syllables in your email? I have to look up these words to find out. Oh, you're having trouble with the pedagogy.
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Mark
Okay. Okay. Okay.
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Sarah
Okay. You can't figure out that quiz. Okay. Got it.
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Mark
By the way, Oliver, to the typewriter he's using there about two grand for a completely refurbished one, Right?
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Sarah
It's beautiful. It's really pretty.
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Mark
Hand-painted. Gorgeous. It's got the wings.
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Sarah
Tom shows up and he's like, I'm an expert in love letters. And Murdoch says, Well, I'm writing an apology. And he's like, Anyway, we know he's not real good at it. Pilots. It's just guitars and flowers.
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Mark
Did you notice what was behind Murdoch? No. Is it just a statue that's.
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Sarah
On the windowsill? Yeah. Yeah. What's on the other end of the windowsill?
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Mark
I don't know. Maybe a little sign that says Don't. You should go and do it.
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Sarah
But no, it's. It's a a box that has a meter and some knobs. All of it. I don't know exactly why there's some.
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Mark
Murdoch murder thing.
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Sarah
Yeah, it's probably something he invented in a different episode.
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Mark
There's been a murder in the ward.
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Sarah
Yeah.
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Mark
So the ward is an actual reason area in Toronto. It's not called the ward anymore. Mm hmm. It is between Dundas and Queen Street, between young and university.
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Sarah
And historically, is a place where Jewish immigrants settled.
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Mark
Absolutely.
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Sarah
Was it called the ward before that?
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Mark
No, it was called the ward then.
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Sarah
Okay.
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Mark
And then where it is now is the west side of the Eaton Center, which is a giant mall in downtown Toronto, Nathan Phillips Square, where the skating rink is, and the new town hall. Oh.
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Sarah
When I hear the word ward, I think hospital. So I know I don't know where that would come from.
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Mark
The hospital is north of there. The original hospital.
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Sarah
No, I just mean Ward to me refers to part of a hospital.
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Mark
So what happened was the Jewish immigrants settled in the ward, and then when it became too crowded, they moved west to an area of Spadina and Dundas. And then the Chinese immigrants moved into the ward. So there's a lot of stuff in the ward about Chinese immigrants as well. And then what happened was the Jewish immigrants then moved northwest from there, and the Chinese immigrants moved from the ward to Dundas, where the second largest Chinatown in the world is.
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Sarah
Now. I'm guessing that the ward was a low income area, so immigrants would move there because they could afford it. And then as they get better integrated and become more successful, they can afford to move away from there. Yeah. And then the next group of immigrants who needs a low income place.
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Mark
Totally.
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Sarah
That totally works like a pit stop. Yeah. Yeah. So the rabbi says that the book killed Nathan.
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Mark
Yes. And I'm like.
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Sarah
That it made him and.
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Mark
Say, this is good. This is good stuff.
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Sarah
Like, is this in a cult book? Oh, poor secret, powerful book. No, it doesn't really matter. It's just a commentary on the Torah, and we don't get to know anything anyway. Yeah, Unless maybe he licked it.
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Mark
Maybe.
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Sarah
Maybe we find out later. Maybe if he looked, it might hurt him.
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Mark
And maybe.
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Sarah
But probably didn't. So when Julia comes to take the body, Nathan's body, to the morgue, they want to stop her from taking him. Because the Jewish tradition is that when somebody dies, they should be buried as quickly as possible and their body should be intact. Yeah, right. So you you stay up. You sit shiva with the body. They keep it company because the understanding is that you need to protect it from evil spirits invading the body and and then but it's all a sign of respect.
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Sarah
And so for her to come and take the body is like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. That goes against our tradition. But as soon as the rabbi understood that she knows the rules, he's like, Huh, okay, let's see how you do. And I like that a lot. I like that she knows the rules and I like that he understands.
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Sarah
He acknowledges right away that she knows the rules. So. And she's.
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Mark
All right. Murdock knows some of the rules, too. Absolutely.
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Sarah
Though I don't understand why they don't cover his body when they carry him out of the building.
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Mark
No, they should probably do.
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Sarah
So that Devra can just dive from a carriage and freak out. Yes. Why is Goldberg taking her around in a carriage anyway? She's so sick.
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Mark
The whole Goldberg Debra thing bothers me. I realize that it's far more likely that there are many more relationships like this at this time, but it still bothers me.
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Sarah
So the woman who jumps out of the carriage and freaks out over the uncovered body is Devorah Benjamin. Yes. Who may or may not be engaged to Nathan and may or may not be engaged to Goldberg. The doctor taking care of her.
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Mark
Yes.
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Sarah
Who may or may not be a jerk. Yes. This point, we don't know.
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Mark
We just don't know.
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Sarah
Though every time I hear Goldberg, I just think of Goldberg, you know, the former wrestler Goldberg Yes. He was a very different guy.
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Mark
Yes, he's very different.
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Sarah
He's he's more like Jersey guy in the factory.
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Mark
He's more like, yes, yes.
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Sarah
And very bald and big and tanned and all that musclebound stuff.
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Mark
You know what time it is?
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Sarah
Oh, it's time for a no.
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Mark
No, no. The 14 and shows up. It's bracket reads races minute.
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Sarah
Well, what do you expect from Barack and Reid? He's actually not as bad as I thought he was going to be.
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Mark
He's not as bad as we thought, but he had to get fresh off the boat. Old guard from England. All that stuff in there.
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Sarah
Yeah. There's two kinds of Jews. Be careful you don't get a mixed up. Murdock's like, What are you even talking about? Don't worry about.
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Mark
It. My next note is stupidity. It is stupid.
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Mark
Well, yeah.
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Sarah
Well, so Murdoch has sent her flowers. He actually took Tom's advice. Yes. So she shows up so they can go out for tea. Why her? I thought at the end of the last episode, Murdoch had realized Enid was not for him.
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Mark
Yeah.
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Sarah
Is he apologizing to her? Because he. He does want to rekindle their relationship, or does he just genuinely feel bad that he hurt anybody's feelings and wants to fix it?
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Mark
I think this I think Murdoch loves you. I think he's frustrated because Julia said that her opinion of him has changed. Okay. So then he went to Rebound Town and then now he feels that he took advantage of Enid. But I also think there's a little misogyny here in Murdoch where he is like, This person doesn't like me, so I'm going to do everything I can to make this person like me again, regardless if I like her or not.
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Sarah
Is that in misogyny thing? Is it because she's a woman you think you feel that way? I think if he had offended another man that he genuinely thought was an okay person would mean feel is bad.
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Mark
I think it's.
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Sarah
I mean, you wouldn't send him flowers obviously that would be I think.
00;16;06;20 - 00;16;11;04
Mark
It's like it's not toxic or anything like that, but it's that subtle.
00;16;11;05 - 00;16;26;17
Sarah
So you you agree with me that he's genuinely, deep down more concerned with having offended her and wants her to forgive him and like him as a person rather than trying to win her back in some romantic. Yes. Yes. He's more motivated by having offended her.
00;16;26;24 - 00;16;33;11
Mark
I worry about you present stupid. I'm glad she brought jewelry.
00;16;33;11 - 00;16;42;07
Sarah
Yeah. So he buys her flowers. Does she then rush out and buy a St Michael Mantle, or did she already have it to give to him and just hadn't given it to him yet?
00;16;42;09 - 00;16;50;26
Mark
I have them. I know. I should apologize for something. No. Yes, he should apologize for using her as bait.
00;16;50;29 - 00;16;52;28
Sarah
Yeah, and he did already.
00;16;53;00 - 00;16;56;12
Mark
And he said I was sorry. They have no reason to be having tea.
00;16;56;13 - 00;16;59;19
Sarah
No, Except his ego is hurt because she hates them.
00;16;59;19 - 00;17;01;25
Mark
That's why I think it's because.
00;17;01;26 - 00;17;02;16
Sarah
No, she doesn't.
00;17;02;16 - 00;17;05;14
Mark
Obviously that little misogyny to it.
00;17;05;16 - 00;17;13;26
Sarah
Oh, I just think I thought she was gone by now. Why is she back? I don't know.
00;17;13;28 - 00;17;16;23
Mark
George makes a dollar 20 a day.
00;17;16;25 - 00;17;18;04
Mark
It's not bad.
00;17;18;07 - 00;17;21;08
Sarah
They go to see Devorah and Goldberg answers the door.
00;17;21;10 - 00;17;25;01
Mark
This is not a good time.
00;17;25;03 - 00;17;30;06
Mark
She'll die with the elevator. You say you're calling me, but she's fine.
00;17;30;08 - 00;17;32;29
Sarah
She's a little sick. Move aside, sir.
00;17;32;29 - 00;17;33;27
Mark
It's not the best.
00;17;33;27 - 00;17;41;00
Mark
Time. You can't stop. Oh, yeah.
00;17;41;03 - 00;17;50;29
Sarah
She's just sick. It's fine. Don't worry about it. Like Murdoch and Crabtree are just going to stand outside and go. Oh, okay. Well, then we'll come back at some other time.
00;17;51;00 - 00;17;56;02
Mark
Like the direction they gave the actress who plays Never Exorcist.
00;17;56;04 - 00;18;04;18
Sarah
Okay, we're going to spritz you with some water, So you look good and sweaty. All right, Now flop around like a fish. Yeah. Scream. Yeah. Same as serious things. That could mean something.
00;18;04;22 - 00;18;17;10
Mark
Don't love. She'll die without it. Oh, I like baking. Oh, you put my face cream on. I need more face cream.
00;18;17;13 - 00;18;19;09
Sarah
Keep it right next to my bed.
00;18;19;11 - 00;18;23;16
Mark
Mark. And I'm going to bed.
00;18;23;19 - 00;18;28;14
Sarah
Yeah. I'm between cholera and genuine anger.
00;18;28;16 - 00;18;31;16
Mark
I don't have cholera. I Yeah.
00;18;31;19 - 00;18;36;00
Sarah
Speaking of which, they say that maybe she's possessed by a dip.
00;18;36;03 - 00;18;36;28
Mark
A debit card.
00;18;36;28 - 00;18;38;08
Sarah
You heard of it before?
00;18;38;14 - 00;18;42;23
Mark
I had heard of it before because there's a movie called Debit.
00;18;42;25 - 00;19;07;22
Sarah
So a debit is the name for a demon or a lost spirit in Jewish mythology. And it means attached like. So the early idea was that a saw that didn't move on would attach itself to somebody and you'd have to kind of shake it off. Yeah, right. Yeah. That's the kind of sterilized, friendly version of what I did.
00;19;07;24 - 00;19;10;09
Mark
As westernized version of it, for sure.
00;19;10;12 - 00;19;23;08
Sarah
No, not necessarily. But there's a more specific way that oh, in mythology anyway and in old text that a debit or a attaches instead just okay.
00;19;23;09 - 00;19;25;11
Mark
Now how does that happen?
00;19;25;14 - 00;19;27;26
Sarah
I'm just going to read a little passage here. Okay?
00;19;27;29 - 00;19;30;08
Mark
Okay. Welcome to Berkeley.
00;19;30;10 - 00;19;39;20
Sarah
And I'm going to tell you that I got this from the British Jewish Historical Museum website. Okay? This is not from some Christian Tumblr or something.
00;19;39;21 - 00;19;41;02
Mark
This is Jewish.
00;19;41;02 - 00;19;56;10
Sarah
Folklore traditionally depicted tended to be male spirits who possessed a woman on the eve of their wedding, typically in a sexual fashion, by entering the woman through their vaginas. And in psychological literature of the time, the depict was seen as a hysterical syndrome.
00;19;56;16 - 00;19;57;19
Mark
Wow. Like kind of.
00;19;57;19 - 00;19;59;01
Sarah
Glossed over the vagina.
00;19;59;04 - 00;20;01;15
Mark
There's a million things all wrapped up.
00;20;01;19 - 00;20;26;25
Sarah
I know, I know. Like, wow. But it makes them saying that maybe she's possessed by a make more sense since she's about to get married and she seems hysterical. Yeah, right. But then the depict as you know it and as a lot of people know, it is more like a demon. Yes, right. Because that kind of the westernized, modernized sort of urban legend, Internet legend version of it.
00;20;26;26 - 00;20;29;07
Sarah
Yeah. Because of that stupid debate box.
00;20;29;08 - 00;20;32;20
Mark
Yes. So in 2008 was a 2008?
00;20;32;21 - 00;20;57;23
Sarah
No. 23. Okay. A furniture restorer named Kevin Manis buys a wine cabinet at a garage sale. Yeah, literally at a garage sale. And think I'm going to do some restoration on this and fix it up and I'm going to put it on eBay and call it a box and write this whole story about how it's possessed and it holds the souls of these Holocaust victims.
00;20;57;23 - 00;21;05;27
Sarah
And I'm going to put a stone in there and some hair. I cut off my dog and it's like interactive fiction. Yeah. Okay.
00;21;06;00 - 00;21;06;27
Mark
To make money.
00;21;07;00 - 00;21;12;13
Sarah
To make money. Yep. He never claimed it was real. Just didn't say that it wasn't right.
00;21;12;18 - 00;21;13;00
Mark
Yep.
00;21;13;04 - 00;21;30;17
Sarah
Somebody buys it for 280 bucks. It passes through a bunch of people's hands and ends up in the hands of this guy named Jason Haxton, who owns an osteopathy museum, The Hulk. And he's like, This thing's actually evil. It does all kinds of bad things.
00;21;30;21 - 00;21;31;10
Mark
No, it doesn't.
00;21;31;15 - 00;21;45;00
Sarah
No, it doesn't. But he then sells the story right to a production company. And Sam Raimi makes a movie called The Possession about it. Yes. This this is what's interesting to me. Kevin Maness sold it for 280 bucks.
00;21;45;00 - 00;21;45;11
Mark
Yeah.
00;21;45;18 - 00;21;56;04
Sarah
Now he bought the cabinet at the garage sale for $10, so he made a good profit. He did, But Jason Axton made a much bigger profit off of his 280 bucks when he sold the rights.
00;21;56;04 - 00;21;57;23
Mark
How much to sell the rights for?
00;21;57;24 - 00;22;05;08
Sarah
Undisclosed amount and six figures for something somebody else made up that you bought on eBay. That's not even.
00;22;05;08 - 00;22;09;12
Mark
True. I need to be selling Zander's textbooks on eBay. Same.
00;22;09;14 - 00;22;14;15
Sarah
That's full of angst about how hard finite math is.
00;22;14;17 - 00;22;16;03
Mark
I couldn't believe.
00;22;16;05 - 00;22;36;15
Sarah
And here's the other thing is that Jason Axton, who who bought it and then sold the rights, that guy, the second guy, he well, he's not even the second guy to own it. The final guy to own. Yeah. Also wrote a book. Yeah. Called The Possession the right now on Amazon it's $499 and it's a paperback. I don't.
00;22;36;15 - 00;22;40;08
Mark
Get it. It is boondoggle from the highest level.
00;22;40;08 - 00;22;44;27
Sarah
Well, now that guy who does the ghost shows under Zac Baggins.
00;22;45;02 - 00;22;45;21
Mark
Okay.
00;22;45;24 - 00;22;51;22
Sarah
He's he's he sounds like a Lord of the Rings character, but he's not. That's why I always have trouble with his name.
00;22;51;24 - 00;22;58;08
Mark
Why is there a YouTube video entitled Post? Malone was caused by a haunted Bigg Boss?
00;22;58;08 - 00;23;06;18
Sarah
Yes, because he went to Zack Baggins Museum of Fake Haunted crap and touched it and then claimed bad stuff happened afterwards.
00;23;06;21 - 00;23;10;19
Mark
Why do we talk about Post Malone?
00;23;10;21 - 00;23;17;18
Sarah
Because Devon's possessed by a debate otherwise known as poisonous face cream and bad boyfriend.
00;23;17;19 - 00;23;29;00
Mark
This is. This is the problem I have with this episode. The problem I have with this episode is they have a mystical book with mystical stuff. They have a big possession and.
00;23;29;00 - 00;23;30;00
Sarah
None of it is.
00;23;30;00 - 00;23;31;12
Mark
They have all this great.
00;23;31;12 - 00;23;32;14
Sarah
Stuff that they.
00;23;32;14 - 00;23;32;23
Mark
Could.
00;23;32;23 - 00;23;34;02
Sarah
Use and then they just drop.
00;23;34;02 - 00;23;36;22
Mark
It and then they throw trade unionists.
00;23;36;24 - 00;23;39;21
Sarah
Because Mark, the real evil in the world is greed.
00;23;39;28 - 00;23;41;17
Mark
Oh, okay. Disaster.
00;23;41;21 - 00;23;42;14
Sarah
We'll debate.
00;23;42;16 - 00;23;47;15
Mark
I thought it was arsenic steam shirts by greed. Yes.
00;23;47;22 - 00;23;50;09
Sarah
It's really down to a bad dad.
00;23;50;16 - 00;23;51;12
Mark
It's a bad dad.
00;23;51;15 - 00;24;03;27
Sarah
Bad dads ruin everything. Why in the morgue, when Julia and the rabbi are being such good friends, does she feel the need to pick up a bunch of energy and play peekaboo with them?
00;24;03;29 - 00;24;08;01
Mark
I don't know. But it's not. It's not. The more good of.
00;24;08;08 - 00;24;08;26
Sarah
Roman.
00;24;08;28 - 00;24;10;07
Mark
Romance anymore.
00;24;10;08 - 00;24;12;01
Sarah
She does, though, doesn't she?
00;24;12;05 - 00;24;13;27
Mark
Speaks through his inner I.
00;24;13;27 - 00;24;14;23
Mark
Don't know what.
00;24;14;23 - 00;24;18;20
Sarah
Organ that is supposed to be, but she picks it up and like, looks through it like.
00;24;18;20 - 00;24;19;16
Mark
Giggle.
00;24;19;18 - 00;24;25;17
Sarah
And she's like, I know what killed him. It was arsenic. The mystical game of peekaboo reveals the answer to her.
00;24;25;18 - 00;24;27;00
Mark
Yep.
00;24;27;02 - 00;24;39;29
Sarah
Put the guts down, Julia. After you've had this long conversation about the tradition of making sure that the body is complete and that even every drop of blood is returned, would you be playing peekaboo with this guy?
00;24;39;29 - 00;24;41;12
Mark
No.
00;24;41;15 - 00;24;45;08
Mark
Certainly not smelling his stomach. Not So.
00;24;45;11 - 00;24;45;29
Mark
Why do you have.
00;24;45;29 - 00;24;52;01
Sarah
To keep bringing that up every time you say that? Everybody listening throws up just a little bit in their mouth.
00;24;52;03 - 00;25;10;14
Mark
Thank you. Okay. Mr. Benjamin is dusting video Typical boss and bad dad. She's hysterical. She's impressionable. She shouldn't be accepting gifts. That kid's not good enough for her. I'm going to lock my people up.
00;25;10;16 - 00;25;22;15
Sarah
Hey, if you're bad in one area, you know you're not going to be a horrible dad and a really generous boss. You just. You just bad in every way. And bagel means bad in every way. Yeah. He's a big jerk in a cult that doesn't fit him very well.
00;25;22;18 - 00;25;25;10
Mark
Yeah, he's a bad certainly a bad.
00;25;25;10 - 00;25;30;08
Sarah
He never mind. Meantime, Deborah's dreaming of Nathan waking up in the morgue.
00;25;30;10 - 00;25;31;25
Mark
Yeah, Yeah. Okay.
00;25;31;26 - 00;25;36;29
Sarah
Oh, go back to sleep, sweetheart. Here's. Here's some more sleeping drugs. Let me just inject you.
00;25;36;29 - 00;25;39;12
Mark
It's a weird, weird thing.
00;25;39;19 - 00;25;42;24
Sarah
Okay, but here's what it made me think of. Because I'm a horrible person.
00;25;42;24 - 00;25;43;16
Mark
We're horrible.
00;25;43;16 - 00;25;50;25
Sarah
People. We've just had this discussion about how important it is to keep the body complete for Jewish tradition. Horrible people. How does that apply to zombies?
00;25;50;25 - 00;25;55;23
Mark
I don't know. But now I can't stop thinking.
00;25;55;26 - 00;26;09;09
Sarah
Like, do you have to be complete when you're buried the first time? But then if you come back and parts are falling off, it's okay. Are would you have zombies like picking up their beds and carrying them around because they know that it's important that they be complete?
00;26;09;09 - 00;26;10;01
Mark
My poor have.
00;26;10;01 - 00;26;11;11
Sarah
To know they're dead to do that.
00;26;11;11 - 00;26;15;10
Mark
I don't. My first thought was are zombies that are Jewish better?
00;26;15;10 - 00;26;16;22
Sarah
Like they're more complete.
00;26;16;22 - 00;26;17;22
Mark
They're more complete.
00;26;17;24 - 00;26;24;01
Sarah
Yeah. They might last longer as zombies. So if you're a zombie lord going to raise hordes of the dead.
00;26;24;04 - 00;26;26;05
Mark
Yeah, if you're a necromancer.
00;26;26;05 - 00;26;38;27
Sarah
But they're also. They're not preserved before they're buried. That's true. So they'd probably be more rotten because they don't have the formaldehyde and stuff. Not what is the what's the word.
00;26;39;00 - 00;26;39;18
Mark
Preserved.
00;26;39;23 - 00;26;41;12
Sarah
Now, the other word pickled.
00;26;41;14 - 00;26;46;24
Mark
No, not pickled.
00;26;46;26 - 00;26;52;00
Sarah
When a mortician prepares a body embalmed. Thank you, Pickle.
00;26;52;02 - 00;26;54;09
Mark
They're not embalming.
00;26;54;12 - 00;26;55;06
Sarah
So they might be.
00;26;55;06 - 00;26;58;05
Mark
That might be my best joke. So, like, die.
00;26;58;06 - 00;27;00;29
Sarah
So they might be a bit more bodily when they come?
00;27;00;29 - 00;27;03;19
Mark
Yeah, maybe.
00;27;03;21 - 00;27;18;09
Sarah
Just different traditions, you know? And then there are the people who go for the natural burial, you know, get buried under a tree. Yeah. And they come back as zombies with trees growing out. It's heavy to drag around the tree with you. Yeah. You're trying to eat brains there.
00;27;18;09 - 00;27;20;26
Mark
What is the problem you had with the last episode.
00;27;20;26 - 00;27;22;15
Sarah
Other than Enid's in it?
00;27;22;17 - 00;27;24;07
Mark
Yes, Other than Enid?
00;27;24;09 - 00;27;24;29
Sarah
I don't know.
00;27;24;29 - 00;27;31;27
Mark
There were too few characters. Yes. So we need more characters? Yes. So let's get Sam involved now.
00;27;31;27 - 00;27;39;24
Sarah
I like Sam, and Sam pulls off black eye makeup very well. They do a really good job with him after he gets beat up.
00;27;39;24 - 00;28;02;14
Mark
He does. He's reading a Jewish new newspaper, and I went to find Jewish newspapers in Canada this time, and the closest I could find was the Yiddish or zonal from 1910 to 1975 actually produced roughly 200 yards from where I used to live in Toronto. Oh, the place I.
00;28;02;18 - 00;28;06;13
Sarah
Saw in reality. It started after this episode. Yeah, this set.
00;28;06;15 - 00;28;12;13
Mark
But I would imagine they had underground or more local papers. That's a kind of official paper.
00;28;12;18 - 00;28;33;18
Sarah
Yeah, I would think so, Yeah. So Sam and Nathan both worked at the factory that Mr. Big Man runs. It's a sweatshop. Not just because it's hot and steamy, but because he makes people work long hours, underpaid them, chains change them in. Yeah, He locks the doors to not let people come and go. And then he has his dog, Jersey.
00;28;33;18 - 00;28;34;21
Sarah
The doorman.
00;28;34;24 - 00;28;35;17
Mark
Called Jersey.
00;28;35;17 - 00;28;36;13
Sarah
That's his first name.
00;28;36;14 - 00;28;38;00
Mark
I know. It's his first day.
00;28;38;01 - 00;28;38;28
Sarah
He's Polish.
00;28;38;28 - 00;28;40;15
Mark
I keep thinking Jersey Shore.
00;28;40;15 - 00;28;43;27
Sarah
Jersey Peplowski. Yes. Who? Who answers the door?
00;28;43;28 - 00;28;45;01
Mark
He's busy.
00;28;45;01 - 00;28;51;01
Sarah
And George is like Moses. I'd like you go, George. Later you're going to tackle that guy and call him the best.
00;28;51;01 - 00;28;52;26
Mark
George is property cop, cop.
00;28;52;26 - 00;28;58;13
Sarah
And he is. So Sam and Nathan both work there. Yeah, They're the two young guys.
00;28;58;15 - 00;28;59;01
Mark
Yes.
00;28;59;08 - 00;29;04;09
Sarah
They're older than the children who work in the factory. Yes, but they're the young guys.
00;29;04;09 - 00;29;29;03
Mark
So one of the things that happens is that the church, the synagogue is being sold and they've bought an old church Now where that money comes from and how the rabbi's involved with that is all kind of hush hush. But I did a search on synagogues in Toronto, and there wasn't a synagogue at this point in time. So this was like a hard to say.
00;29;29;03 - 00;29;33;05
Mark
It's not official because wherever the Torah is and wherever there's.
00;29;33;05 - 00;29;34;23
Sarah
Ten, ten people to be.
00;29;34;28 - 00;29;37;09
Mark
Able to pray, it's a synagogue. Yeah, but.
00;29;37;15 - 00;29;46;15
Sarah
One it's clear that the space they're meeting in now isn't a traditional synagogue. It's not a purpose built space. And somebody's dining room or something.
00;29;46;16 - 00;30;06;03
Mark
Yes. Yeah. It wasn't until the 19 tens and twenties that they began actually building synagogues in Toronto, which I walked past several times, including the first one. So as someone who lived in Toronto, I didn't realize it was a synagogue, but it isn't now. But it's Toronto, so it's apartments now.
00;30;06;07 - 00;30;07;04
Sarah
Because everything gets.
00;30;07;04 - 00;30;10;11
Mark
Turned, turned into apartments in Toronto.
00;30;10;13 - 00;30;21;20
Sarah
And we find out that Devorah has purchased the worst beauty product ever. If you have to sign the Poison book to buy a face cream, don't buy that.
00;30;21;20 - 00;30;24;11
Mark
The Song of Solomon Beauty. Arsenic treatment.
00;30;24;11 - 00;30;25;09
Mark
Yeah.
00;30;25;11 - 00;30;29;27
Sarah
Isn't it romantic? Lips like wine, face like death.
00;30;29;28 - 00;30;33;05
Mark
You too will glow until you die. Yeah.
00;30;33;08 - 00;30;57;05
Sarah
It's like when they used to use. Oh, that, like, uranium laced stuff. Yes. Because it made your face glow. Yeah, Yeah, because you got radioactive island lady. They're going to run off because she bought the skin cream. So the skin cream that has the symbol on it on the top, that means arsenic. But everybody's like, well, if you rearrange the lines, it makes a star okay.
00;30;57;06 - 00;30;59;20
Sarah
No, not really, but. All right.
00;30;59;22 - 00;31;09;03
Mark
And it's again, it's arsenic poisoning, alchemical God, the ghost possession. You've got the bad book. There's so much good stuff here.
00;31;09;10 - 00;31;11;25
Sarah
Never mind. Greedy, greedy, bad, never.
00;31;11;25 - 00;31;12;05
Mark
Mind.
00;31;12;05 - 00;31;30;03
Sarah
Greedy. And Tom, George and Murdoch are talking about the case in the cop shop. Henry is behind them talking on the phone. Now what he's doing is taking a report that Sam has been beaten up. Yes, but you don't know that when he's on the phone and what it looks like as he's having the best gossip session.
00;31;30;03 - 00;31;31;01
Mark
Yes, he is.
00;31;31;04 - 00;31;35;24
Sarah
He's holding that phone like girl. Then what happened? Oh, my God. He's really he's.
00;31;35;24 - 00;31;38;09
Mark
Doing some some background acting.
00;31;38;11 - 00;31;46;03
Sarah
Yes, He's back there like watermelon, watermelon lama wah wah, wah wah. Because that's what you say when you're background acting.
00;31;46;08 - 00;31;50;21
Mark
So Goldberg comes to the station and tells Murdoch that he didn't kill.
00;31;50;28 - 00;31;53;10
Sarah
I've just come here to tell you I didn't kill anyone.
00;31;53;10 - 00;31;58;00
Mark
And I have in my notes at this point in time, is Murdoch susceptible to good acting?
00;31;58;00 - 00;31;58;27
Sarah
I think he is.
00;31;59;03 - 00;32;14;26
Mark
Because now this is a trope, right? The trope is and it's two men here, but usually it's a man who's interrogating a woman and she goes, I couldn't have done it. I'm just not that kind of person. And suddenly the detective is like, I believe her.
00;32;14;26 - 00;32;15;27
Sarah
Yeah, I now think.
00;32;15;27 - 00;32;23;00
Mark
She's this is nothing like reality. It's just reality. Reality knows that good acting.
00;32;23;00 - 00;32;24;06
Sarah
That people can lie.
00;32;24;07 - 00;32;28;28
Mark
The people get lies. Yeah. So in reality, everything's based on evidence because it.
00;32;28;28 - 00;32;29;25
Sarah
Has to be right.
00;32;29;28 - 00;32;36;22
Mark
But. And this is more dramatic. That's what I'm saying. But it's still funny to say. Is Murdoch susceptible.
00;32;36;24 - 00;32;37;20
Sarah
More? Not.
00;32;37;22 - 00;32;38;10
Mark
Is the.
00;32;38;10 - 00;32;39;20
Sarah
Wizard now.
00;32;39;22 - 00;32;40;20
Mark
More dog?
00;32;40;23 - 00;32;44;05
Mark
Is Murdoch susceptible to good acting?
00;32;44;06 - 00;32;53;02
Sarah
Yes. If Goldberg was less convincing, he might think he was still a suspect then. Goldberg is a good actor played by Jonathan Walk, and so he's convincing.
00;32;53;09 - 00;32;58;04
Mark
So let's go give Mr. Jersey a visit to Big Bastard.
00;32;58;10 - 00;33;00;09
Mark
Get back here, you big bastard.
00;33;00;11 - 00;33;05;04
Sarah
George, because he tries to run. Where is he going to go? The place is so crowded.
00;33;05;07 - 00;33;11;12
Mark
Yep. So then it cuts to the back to the station. And George is all beat up.
00;33;11;12 - 00;33;15;23
Sarah
In the interrogation room. Yeah. Oh, Jersey makes a big mistake.
00;33;15;23 - 00;33;17;04
Mark
Oh, he spits on the.
00;33;17;04 - 00;33;18;19
Sarah
Floor in front of Tom.
00;33;18;19 - 00;33;19;03
Mark
Yeah.
00;33;19;03 - 00;33;25;08
Sarah
Oh, you don't do that. No, he's going to have to wipe it up with his own hat.
00;33;25;10 - 00;33;32;19
Mark
But then he's like, They're like, Oh, you're in trouble for murder. He's like, Oh, I'll tell you everything. Yeah.
00;33;32;21 - 00;33;48;11
Sarah
Now what do you want to know? I'm telling you, please let me go. Let me clean that spit up before I go. He says that Goldberg and big old men are buying up properties together because they know they're going to be demolished. And then new developments are going to come in. So they're going to make money with the value of the land is going to.
00;33;48;11 - 00;33;49;28
Mark
This happened several.
00;33;49;28 - 00;34;06;11
Sarah
Times. It happens all the time. It's happening right now, everywhere, all the time. So it's not a big surprise. And it's not against the law necessarily. No. Right. If you're paying a fair price, for what it's worth, the fact that the value goes up later is not a crime. However, Big man is a bad.
00;34;06;11 - 00;34;09;01
Mark
Guy, beat up people and poison them.
00;34;09;05 - 00;34;09;27
Sarah
That or.
00;34;09;27 - 00;34;13;22
Mark
Start a union and sell your daughter.
00;34;13;25 - 00;34;14;26
Sarah
Twice.
00;34;14;28 - 00;34;15;05
Mark
Why?
00;34;15;05 - 00;34;16;09
Sarah
That's a bad idea.
00;34;16;09 - 00;34;16;28
Mark
That's a bad.
00;34;16;28 - 00;34;32;10
Sarah
Idea. Because one of the letters that's in Nathan's mysterious book that isn't mysterious is a marriage contract for Deborah and Nathan to get married that apparently was created on the boat coming over from Europe. Yeah. By their fathers.
00;34;32;12 - 00;34;35;11
Mark
Yeah. That whole thing is, like, in waves.
00;34;35;13 - 00;34;36;09
Mark
Yeah.
00;34;36;11 - 00;34;38;13
Sarah
Don't look over here.
00;34;38;16 - 00;34;41;00
Mark
Pay no attention to what's going on here.
00;34;41;01 - 00;34;45;15
Sarah
I think it's really stupid that Murdoch's notes on the board just happened to make a star of David.
00;34;45;17 - 00;34;47;14
Mark
That is the worst part of the episode.
00;34;47;14 - 00;34;50;19
Sarah
That is so over the top that pandering.
00;34;50;26 - 00;34;54;05
Mark
Not pandering, not pandering. It's a bit.
00;34;54;08 - 00;34;55;09
Sarah
It's heavy handed.
00;34;55;11 - 00;34;56;10
Mark
It's Heavy handed.
00;34;56;10 - 00;35;13;26
Sarah
Yeah. A love triangle. Yes, that's a triangle. Yeah. But then there's an inverted triangle on top of it. Four different relationships. And it just happens to make a star. Yeah. Come on. Can we get to my favorite scene now? Yeah. When Murdoch and Enid go for tea again.
00;35;13;29 - 00;35;15;18
Mark
The tea shop of dumped out.
00;35;15;21 - 00;35;20;12
Sarah
And he breaks up with her, but not really. Oh, I so wanted that.
00;35;20;12 - 00;35;23;01
Mark
To be real.
00;35;23;04 - 00;35;24;08
Mark
So.
00;35;24;11 - 00;35;29;24
Sarah
And does he invite her out for tea to tell her that they're done and then just weenies out.
00;35;29;24 - 00;35;31;12
Mark
I think that's what he does.
00;35;31;19 - 00;35;41;05
Sarah
I think so too. I think he's fantasizing about saying I'm sorry, but I'm not over her. But then he weenies out and get distracted by his own case so he doesn't do it.
00;35;41;08 - 00;35;54;25
Mark
And like I don't like it. But her whole point is you're a policeman. I'm worried about you. You make bad decisions because you're a policeman and he's like, Steam, I'm out of here.
00;35;54;28 - 00;35;56;25
Sarah
He does a Barnaby.
00;35;56;27 - 00;36;04;20
Mark
The Barnaby proving is not a good person to be in a relationship with Enid. So she should go away forever.
00;36;04;23 - 00;36;12;16
Sarah
Yeah. So he chooses the tea shop as the place that he's going to break up with her? Yes. Is the tea shop a good place to break up with somebody?
00;36;12;17 - 00;36;20;10
Mark
Well, I got to say, I've been broken up with a lot. I'm here to say we don't want to name names. We don't need to name names.
00;36;20;13 - 00;36;21;19
Sarah
It's way back when.
00;36;21;19 - 00;36;22;10
Mark
Way back when?
00;36;22;11 - 00;36;23;00
Sarah
Before I knew.
00;36;23;00 - 00;36;32;04
Mark
You. Before you knew me. And. Yeah, tea shops. Pretty good because it's public. It's quick. It's not like you went to dinner with the person.
00;36;32;09 - 00;36;45;01
Sarah
You don't have to sit through dessert after having broken up. Oh, the awkward. Right. And it's a relatively quiet and genteel place, so you can't make a scene. Yeah. Though if you chose to. There's a lot to break.
00;36;45;07 - 00;36;47;16
Mark
There is a lot to break in.
00;36;47;17 - 00;36;48;09
Sarah
You could totally.
00;36;48;09 - 00;36;50;21
Mark
Flip that table while.
00;36;50;23 - 00;36;54;20
Mark
But I might like her if she like.
00;36;54;20 - 00;36;58;02
Mark
Oh, that red haired Aussie doctor.
00;36;58;04 - 00;37;00;14
Sarah
Throws the table, breaks the chain.
00;37;00;14 - 00;37;04;13
Mark
Touches down by.
00;37;04;16 - 00;37;28;13
Sarah
And you pick her over me like, Oh, wait a minute, let's keep Enid like her. So are there. I don't know that that's a risk. I think Enid is a very reserved person. I think he can trust that she's not going to do that. Yes, but that's. That's not nice. I mean, are there other places like are there worst places Like Because if she if she did lose it, that's a bad place to be.
00;37;28;14 - 00;37;32;20
Sarah
If you're going to make a scene in society in front of dainty ladies who are going to talk, you.
00;37;32;20 - 00;37;34;25
Mark
Don't want to dump someone at the gun range.
00;37;35;02 - 00;37;40;16
Sarah
No, no, no. Let's agree that if you're going to dump somebody, you need to take them someplace where.
00;37;40;21 - 00;37;41;13
Mark
You're in public.
00;37;41;14 - 00;37;47;04
Sarah
You're in public, and whatever it is you're going to do as kind of a cover for the conversation has to be something that can be.
00;37;47;04 - 00;37;49;17
Mark
Brief and short. Yeah, shrift.
00;37;49;20 - 00;37;51;19
Sarah
And you can go, Yeah, So.
00;37;51;23 - 00;37;55;03
Mark
And don't engage in the activity for a long time and then.
00;37;55;03 - 00;37;55;16
Sarah
Dump them.
00;37;55;16 - 00;38;00;03
Mark
Right? Like, don't be like, I know we just sat through a four hour movie.
00;38;00;03 - 00;38;08;01
Sarah
But that breaks a long, Yeah, the long time rule, right? It has to be short time. So don't meet at the knife shop.
00;38;08;01 - 00;38;09;16
Mark
No, that one knife shop.
00;38;09;16 - 00;38;19;04
Sarah
That would be bad. Yes, I think it would be good to meet meat outside some place that then only you can go into and they can't follow you.
00;38;19;07 - 00;38;19;28
Mark
Right.
00;38;20;01 - 00;38;26;13
Mark
Like, Hey, babe, I like to meet you outside the strip club. We just got a little thing to talk about before I.
00;38;26;15 - 00;38;29;22
Sarah
And then you run inside and she won't follow you into the strip club.
00;38;29;22 - 00;38;32;23
Mark
I guess not. That's not something that actually happened to me.
00;38;32;25 - 00;38;43;06
Sarah
Like you could say. I'm going to. I'm going to meet my boyfriend out in front of the OBGYN office because then he'll think maybe I'm pregnant, but really I'm just breaking up with him.
00;38;43;06 - 00;38;44;06
Mark
Or or where he'll.
00;38;44;06 - 00;38;47;04
Sarah
Be relieved and then I can run inside and he can't follow me.
00;38;47;05 - 00;38;52;05
Mark
Worse. Baby, can you meet me in front of the jeweler? We got something to talk.
00;38;52;07 - 00;38;55;15
Sarah
He's gonna propose. He's going to propose now. I'm just breaking up with you.
00;38;55;22 - 00;38;58;15
Mark
Dumped down. I need a new watch.
00;38;58;17 - 00;39;01;06
Mark
That's a bad idea.
00;39;01;08 - 00;39;10;11
Sarah
No. Where? Where You're meeting on a high ledge. No, where they can shove you over. Don't meet on a bridge. The Eiffel Tower on a cliff. Yeah, that would be a bad place.
00;39;10;11 - 00;39;11;17
Mark
Oh, bad places.
00;39;11;19 - 00;39;13;21
Sarah
No precarious place.
00;39;13;23 - 00;39;16;09
Mark
But now we just started this transatlantic voyage.
00;39;16;09 - 00;39;22;24
Sarah
But now we're trapped on this boat together for six months after we've broken up.
00;39;22;26 - 00;39;23;21
Mark
I heard.
00;39;23;27 - 00;39;37;11
Sarah
Yeah. No, no. So all in all, the tea shop is not a bad place? No, but then he wins out. He doesn't do it, but he sort of does do it. Yeah, because he runs off. I think he ditches or with the bill for the tea.
00;39;37;11 - 00;39;43;20
Mark
He totally deserted. Or what. The bill. The cloud of death. Oh no. That's a future episode. That's actually good.
00;39;43;23 - 00;39;51;24
Sarah
So Bagel Man poisons the steam machine with his daughter's face cream to kill the pro-union worker.
00;39;51;24 - 00;39;55;01
Mark
I'm telling you, I'm not wearing no shirt.
00;39;55;03 - 00;39;57;19
Sarah
Those shirts would be lethal.
00;39;57;19 - 00;39;58;10
Mark
Yeah.
00;39;58;12 - 00;40;11;15
Sarah
They'd be worse than licking that book. Yeah, You get a little bit warm and the arsenic to come out of the fabric start to feel bad. Yeah, You get a little bit sweatier, you get more arsenic, and then you get killed by your own shirt.
00;40;11;18 - 00;40;13;06
Mark
Killed by your own shirt.
00;40;13;13 - 00;40;17;19
Sarah
Never mind that whoever ironed it is dead. All right, so your shirt.
00;40;17;25 - 00;40;21;15
Mark
And the guy in the machine next to him in the gut, like.
00;40;21;17 - 00;40;22;13
Sarah
Everybody.
00;40;22;16 - 00;40;23;02
Mark
Grimm.
00;40;23;08 - 00;40;24;23
Sarah
Would be steamed to death.
00;40;24;23 - 00;40;28;02
Mark
They're locked in. Of course, it's going to be a death trap.
00;40;28;07 - 00;40;46;00
Sarah
And then you buy the shirt that's been steamed by the dead people who were murdered for being pro-union. You get poisoned by the arsenic and you start to get weak, and then they're attached to you because you're wearing the shirt. Yeah. Invading your private part. And then there's a bad scene.
00;40;46;00 - 00;40;57;01
Mark
Then the doctor shows up and shoots everybody. I don't like Character X arrives at the end and shoots person. It's it's a trope and it's an easy way out of the episode.
00;40;57;08 - 00;41;01;26
Sarah
Before we get to that, can we talk a little bit about how bad Big Omen is?
00;41;01;29 - 00;41;22;24
Mark
Well, okay, I think we have in that he sold his daughter twice. Okay. He locks people into the room. Okay. Yeah. He has a guy. Once you have hired a person to do physical harm to other people, you're officially moving on from the good guy List of the bad guy list.
00;41;22;24 - 00;41;23;14
Sarah
Okay.
00;41;23;16 - 00;41;27;07
Mark
Okay, then. Then he puts the stuff in the steam.
00;41;27;08 - 00;41;42;13
Sarah
Before that, though, he tells his daughter, I want you to look beautiful on your wedding day to this guy I sold you, too. So go buy some poisonous face cream and wear it so that I can take some of it and use it to murder somebody.
00;41;42;13 - 00;41;44;15
Mark
Totally frames his own daughter.
00;41;44;18 - 00;41;55;00
Sarah
And convinces her to buy something because it will make her pretty. That will actually make her sick. And he knows that. Yeah. He gets his daughter to buy his murder weapon for him.
00;41;55;02 - 00;41;55;14
Mark
Yeah.
00;41;55;17 - 00;41;57;08
Sarah
That's so bad.
00;41;57;11 - 00;42;03;15
Mark
So bad. And confuse all the cops who went around all the different stores to ask.
00;42;03;17 - 00;42;09;28
Sarah
Because they're not looking for face cream. No, but again, if you have to sign the poison book to buy the face cream, don't buy it.
00;42;10;05 - 00;42;16;09
Mark
If you have to sign the poison book to buy something and it doesn't end up being rats, there's a problem.
00;42;16;12 - 00;42;32;21
Sarah
But it's like as a parent, if you bought your child a giant set of Legos that they've always wanted and they're so excited about it, and then while they're at school, you build a machete of Legos and kill somebody with it and then put the Legos back in the.
00;42;32;24 - 00;42;36;27
Mark
I don't know where how much the kid brought them in the house. Not me.
00;42;36;27 - 00;42;41;12
Sarah
Yeah, it must have been Bobby. Bobby did it with him like a machete.
00;42;41;13 - 00;42;45;03
Mark
He's horrible. I did try to find a poisoned book.
00;42;45;08 - 00;42;45;29
Sarah
Mm hmm.
00;42;46;02 - 00;42;48;12
Mark
I would love to get one of those.
00;42;48;15 - 00;42;49;21
Sarah
They're super boring.
00;42;49;25 - 00;42;52;05
Mark
Yeah, well, no, it's just a list of people's names.
00;42;52;05 - 00;42;53;02
Sarah
And what they bought.
00;42;53;02 - 00;42;55;05
Mark
But I wanted the cover.
00;42;55;05 - 00;43;12;11
Sarah
Oh, yeah? Well, and some of them, the more advanced ones instead of having to write arsenic on the line, they have a list of the poisons, and you just check the boxes, Right? And the number of ounces that they bought. Yeah. So you can see all the possible poisons that somebody might carry in their store.
00;43;12;11 - 00;43;14;16
Mark
The fantastic world of Apothecary.
00;43;14;16 - 00;43;16;13
Mark
Yes, exactly.
00;43;16;16 - 00;43;18;11
Sarah
Can you put that in a face cream for me?
00;43;18;12 - 00;43;19;14
Mark
How about Steam?
00;43;19;15 - 00;43;29;05
Sarah
So Big? You don't. You don't like the shows up and shoot people. I understand that. But I would argue that Bagel Man is actually a good person.
00;43;29;05 - 00;43;29;22
Mark
They go.
00;43;29;25 - 00;43;33;18
Sarah
No, no, sorry. Goldberg okay. Goldberg is a good person.
00;43;33;18 - 00;43;38;16
Mark
Goldberg is misogynistic of his time. MM He is.
00;43;38;16 - 00;43;40;09
Sarah
Not. No worse than anybody else.
00;43;40;10 - 00;43;46;13
Mark
And he is entitled and privileged of his time. Yes. His race and his status.
00;43;46;13 - 00;43;47;09
Sarah
Yes.
00;43;47;12 - 00;43;51;20
Mark
All of those things. Yes. In the end, I think he loves Devra.
00;43;51;27 - 00;44;06;00
Sarah
Not in a healthy way. Not at all. But he does love her. Yeah. And he sacrifices himself. Yeah. For her future. Yes. Because he knows whether he marries her or not. She still has an epic asshole as a dad.
00;44;06;04 - 00;44;07;14
Mark
Yeah. And so now she does.
00;44;07;14 - 00;44;08;24
Sarah
And something's got to happen.
00;44;08;24 - 00;44;10;14
Mark
Never mind Deborah's.
00;44;10;14 - 00;44;11;22
Sarah
Mom. Where's Deborah's?
00;44;11;22 - 00;44;13;04
Mark
Mom is Deborah's mom.
00;44;13;04 - 00;44;14;16
Sarah
We have to assume that she's gone.
00;44;14;16 - 00;44;17;10
Mark
Yeah, we have to assume. I'm assuming the one.
00;44;17;14 - 00;44;19;03
Sarah
Just like Nathan's dad.
00;44;19;04 - 00;44;20;11
Mark
You told our daughter.
00;44;20;15 - 00;44;23;16
Mark
Oh, come here. Let's stand by the edge of the boat.
00;44;23;18 - 00;44;24;17
Mark
Oh.
00;44;24;19 - 00;44;29;16
Sarah
I have some face cream for you to try. Let me steam your shirt. Wear it out in the sun.
00;44;29;23 - 00;44;30;20
Mark
Okay.
00;44;30;23 - 00;44;34;15
Sarah
So now Deborah's going to take over the factory, and she's pro-union, by the way.
00;44;34;16 - 00;44;36;00
Mark
Yeah.
00;44;36;03 - 00;44;37;08
Sarah
Just. Just so you know.
00;44;37;08 - 00;44;42;16
Mark
I think Deborah and Sam are going to get together and have awesome family. That's what I think.
00;44;42;16 - 00;44;44;13
Sarah
They could run a really good factory together.
00;44;44;14 - 00;44;48;15
Mark
Run a great factory. You know, maybe clean that one machine.
00;44;48;17 - 00;45;02;05
Sarah
Who's going to inherit all of Goldberg's real estate, like we'll ever get it because they. Because Benjamin and Goldberg bought them together. Maybe Do you think he wrote a quick will before he went off and shot her dad?
00;45;02;05 - 00;45;04;15
Mark
I don't know. I hope he did.
00;45;04;17 - 00;45;17;20
Sarah
But she may just be broken for life, though. Yeah. When you have to face up to the fact that your dad poisoned the love of your life and was then shot by your fiancee, that's a lie.
00;45;17;21 - 00;45;20;09
Mark
With stuff he asked you to buy.
00;45;20;09 - 00;45;27;02
Sarah
Yeah. Using a weapon that he tricked you into buying. That's complicated. She's going to need some therapy.
00;45;27;02 - 00;45;29;23
Mark
Do you think Jersey keeps his job or.
00;45;29;25 - 00;45;30;21
Sarah
No.
00;45;30;23 - 00;45;31;20
Mark
He gets a new job.
00;45;31;25 - 00;45;48;20
Sarah
I don't know. Jersey strikes me as the big, dumb, loyal lug. Yeah, So he knows that big old man and Goldberg were doing bad things. So I think if Devra talked to him and said, Okay, Jersey, they were bad. Yeah. Bad guys. Yeah. What they were doing was wrong, wrong.
00;45;48;20 - 00;45;50;02
Mark
Wrong, wrong, bad guy.
00;45;50;03 - 00;45;52;17
Sarah
Wrong, bad guys. We don't do that stuff anymore.
00;45;52;19 - 00;45;55;03
Mark
Okay? Okay. I work in factory.
00;45;55;04 - 00;46;06;24
Sarah
I want you to actually protect the people who work here now instead of trying to track them. Okay? Okay. I think you do it. Okay. I think you'd actually be handy to have around. And don't spit on the floor anymore.
00;46;06;27 - 00;46;10;01
Mark
Yes, okay. Or you'll have to use your hat to clean it up.
00;46;10;08 - 00;46;23;12
Sarah
Murdock's going to try to write another letter. He's hopeless. Oh, dear. Julia, I have become aware of the fact that while prevaricating on the status of our pre romantic canoodling.
00;46;23;15 - 00;46;24;27
Mark
And the episode kind of.
00;46;24;27 - 00;46;39;21
Sarah
Goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It just kind of like cute funeral type. And yeah. Meanwhile, Enid's flipping tables in tea shops, right? So mad she runs up, just knocks a coffin off in their arms.
00;46;39;21 - 00;46;42;13
Mark
I'm so angry.
00;46;42;16 - 00;46;44;24
Sarah
Her and her kid disturbing around town.
00;46;44;24 - 00;46;50;27
Mark
Or again, this is another episode of well, we can't afford to pay the kid. He's not alive.
00;46;51;02 - 00;46;58;23
Sarah
Anymore. She become a villain, an anti police vigilante villain because she doesn't like their lifestyle.
00;46;58;24 - 00;47;04;21
Mark
Next year we'll get to a fantastic female villain for Murdoch.
00;47;04;23 - 00;47;14;28
Sarah
If we cover another season. Yeah, whenever. But yeah, I think they could have done that with Enid because she's lost a man that she loves to his career.
00;47;14;28 - 00;47;17;09
Mark
But then she'd have to be more episodes and I hate.
00;47;17;15 - 00;47;19;20
Sarah
That's true. That's true.
00;47;19;24 - 00;47;21;06
Mark
It's only one left.
00;47;21;08 - 00;47;25;21
Sarah
Maybe. Maybe her son Alan could grow up and he could be the bad guy.
00;47;25;25 - 00;47;30;08
Mark
Okay, Best corpse. We've covered that because there's only one corpse.
00;47;30;10 - 00;47;34;22
Sarah
Not. He's not just the best corpse. Because he's the only corpse. He's the best corpse because he wakes up.
00;47;34;22 - 00;47;36;23
Mark
He wakes up.
00;47;36;25 - 00;47;39;24
Sarah
He's got the why incision and everything. And it's.
00;47;39;27 - 00;47;42;04
Mark
The weirdest moment of the episode.
00;47;42;04 - 00;47;43;23
Sarah
I wanted him to set up so bad And.
00;47;43;27 - 00;47;45;12
Mark
Brains.
00;47;45;14 - 00;47;56;12
Sarah
Julia, be like, I have some in a jar of here. Hold on. I'll get him for you if he's there. Protestant brains, They're pickled. They're not embalmed.
00;47;56;12 - 00;47;58;23
Mark
They're just kind of covered after the credits.
00;47;58;23 - 00;48;10;16
Sarah
Yeah, we did. Well, the episode kind of does it for us. Yes. So that is Ask the Maiden and the killer Lego Machete. What's up next, sweetheart?
00;48;10;16 - 00;48;16;21
Mark
Next, we have season two, Episode 12 Werewolves.
00;48;16;24 - 00;48;17;26
Mark
Ham.
00;48;17;27 - 00;48;20;25
Mark
Which is the final Enid.
00;48;20;28 - 00;48;21;07
Mark
To.
00;48;21;09 - 00;48;21;28
Sarah
She said, I.
00;48;21;28 - 00;48;23;21
Mark
Don't care that they're a werewolf.
00;48;23;25 - 00;48;27;05
Sarah
Does she get eaten by a werewolf? Does she become a werewolf and get shot?
00;48;27;12 - 00;48;28;13
Mark
If Only.
00;48;28;17 - 00;48;30;18
Sarah
We can. We rewrite.
00;48;30;18 - 00;48;34;23
Mark
It and that'll come out the 2nd of October, which is.
00;48;34;27 - 00;48;38;20
Mark
Spooky mind. October.
00;48;38;22 - 00;48;49;23
Mark
We'll have a newsletter on the 4th of October, and then on the 9th of October we will finish off season two of Murdoch with episode 13. Anything you can do?
00;48;49;24 - 00;48;54;23
Sarah
I can do better. Sibling rivalry with a brother who's a mountain.
00;48;54;26 - 00;49;11;00
Mark
With the brother who's a mountie, and there is a whole back story that Americans watching this show will go, Oh, he is the brother is a mountie. Never mind that There was a show called Due South in which he played a Canadian cop who worked with an.
00;49;11;05 - 00;49;12;09
Sarah
We can talk about that.
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Mark
Like there's a million things to talk about. Okay, then we're off on the 16th, and then on the 23rd we're going to start Father Brown. Now, we did Father Brown episode one, season one already, but I am going to change that episode a bit. I'm going to remix it, but also so it won't be a brand new episode.
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Mark
But if you've listened to it before, I would say you should listen to it. Maybe I'll throw some bloopers in there too.
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Sarah
Sorry, I was still Thinking Remix.
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Mark
Yes, maybe I'll throw some bloopers in there too.
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Sarah
That'd be fun. Yep.
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Mark
And that'll be released on the 23rd, but it won't be a new episode, will be a remixed version of an old episode. And then we're off. Of course.
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Sarah
For Halloween.
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Mark
October 30th. We're off that.
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Mark
Day with.
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Mark
Paul and that schedule in all its complexity, of course, will be in the next newsletter too. It was in the last newsletter, but yeah, in the next newsletter. Do remember to like subscribe, click the button.
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Sarah
All those say awesome things on Reddit.
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Mark
Say awesome things on Reddit.
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Sarah
Until then.
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Mark
I do want to say we'll probably be putting some spit and polish on the socials for when we switch to Father Brown, because we always do that. When we're switch it up, we make them a little different.
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Sarah
So yeah. And he sent us a message about where you think the worst place to break up with somebody would be.
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Mark
Oh yeah, I'd love to hear that because.
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Sarah
You know, gun range is a pretty, pretty bad one.
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Mark
Let's work on range is pretty bad.
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Sarah
All right. Until then, Bye, maniacs.
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Mark
Simon in your.
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Sarah
Own Bound remix.
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Mark
In a.
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Mark
And the History of Hebrew Romance, The history of Hebrew man.