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Matt and Val break down how to teach kids what the internet actually is, why privacy matters, and how to raise kids who aren't naive about the online world — without scaring them.
Two Factor Parenting is a conversation between two parents navigating technology's role in raising kids. He's the early adopter and tech optimist. She's the skeptic who asks "but should we?" Together they tackle screen time, AI, social media, and all the parenting decisions that don't come with a manual.
Two parents. Two perspectives. Raising kids in the age of screens, AI, and chaos.
Jul 11, 26
00:00:13 Matt: A five six seven eight.
00:00:15 Val: Hello?
00:00:16 Matt: Hey, everybody.
00:00:18 Val: I was counting us in.
00:00:20 Matt: Yeah, I know.
00:00:21 Val: Um, hello. Welcome, everyone, to episode eight.
00:00:24 Matt: Yes.
00:00:25 Val: Uh, thanks for sticking with us. I guess, um, today we are going to talk about the internet and privacy. Yeah.
00:00:37 Matt: Well, just be mindful of that because again, like as a parent, it always feels like the internet. You're like that thing, that series of tubes.
00:00:46 Val: Um, well, and that's why I wanted to talk about it because I noticed I guess troubleshooting with our kids whenever we have to troubleshoot something with their tablets I think especially if we're trying to go somewhere else with the tablets. and they want to watch something, we will naturally say, well, we have no internet and they will hold up their tablet and be like, yeah, we have a tablet. What do you mean there's no internet? Like what? And so for us, growing up with the natural progression of, you know, the dial up and then the Ethernet and then the, you know, like it's, it makes a lot of sense to see the progression.
00:01:29 Matt: They don't see those hops and jumps. They.
00:01:31 Val: They never saw that. And so, I guess I must have been just frustrated at trying to explain what the internet is to them at some point. but I came up with this metaphor that if if your tablet or your computer or whatever your physical device is a house and just like your house has rooms, the apps on your device can do certain things, right? You have a bathroom, you have a kitchen, you have a bedroom, right? You have Netflix, you have Disney Plus. But they pretty much only do those things in the room. So you have your physical device like your house, and then you have like your Netflix room or your Disney Plus room.
00:02:20 Matt: Okay.
00:02:22 Val: And then that makes the internet the front door of the house.
00:02:30 Matt: Ah, okay. I see where you're going.
00:02:32 Val: Because if you open the front door of a house, it lets you experience Everything. Everything in the world.
00:02:45 Matt: Okay.
00:02:46 Val: It opens you up to everything in the whole world.
00:02:50 Matt: Yeah.
00:02:51 Val: Good or bad?
00:02:52 Matt: Mhm.
00:02:54 Val: Just like the internet. And once I said that to our kids, they got it. They were like, oh. And I said, you can go play on the street with ride your bike, but you have to be careful of cars. And they're like, oh yeah, you're right. And I realized that metaphor also can flip itself. Yeah. Because if the front door of the house is locked, you can't get to Netflix. You can't get to Disney. You can't do anything. If you can't get through the front door. Does that make sense?
00:03:27 Matt: It does, I think. And especially for some of the apps the kids have, like a Netflix, like a Disney Plus. Mhm. I can see that because, you know, when you were going through when you were going through your metaphor there, the first thing I thought in my mind is like, well, what happens when you pick up the house and you move it and it doesn't.
00:03:48 Val: Have well.
00:03:49 Matt: But you still have no electricity and you have no pipes and you're like, well, nothing works then, does it? You know.
00:03:56 Val: This is also a metaphor for children.
00:03:58 Matt: Okay. I know for.
00:04:00 Val: Children.
00:04:00 Matt: I get it. I was just having fun with just thinking about like, well, what happens? Yeah. so okay, I can see where you're going with that. Um, you know, the thing that I was kind of thinking through, with the internet is I'm just thinking so much about kind of like the privacy elements of it. and that's a little bit where you're touching with the touching on about the door, right? Is that same thing can kind of highlight that to say like when the door is open, That means that neighbors can come over, right? People can come over, maybe folks that you don't want to come over if the door is open. Yes. Right. So there's definitely something there. Um, the things that I've been kind of trying to look into is just more touching on the things that you do outside. Is that same kind of idea of if you say something or do something people can remember that and.
00:04:59 Val: That is okay. This is why I like that we do our different research because I didn't look at that at all.
00:05:05 Matt: I know, I bet I, yeah.
00:05:07 Val: Okay.
00:05:07 Matt: I was wondering, yeah, I, so.
00:05:09 Val: So I have shared my metaphor that I have explicitly said with our kids, they have a better grasp or understanding of the internet being a separate thing as opposed to just an app or just their device. Now, what have you been looking up in terms of privacy?
00:05:28 Matt: So the thing is that I've been kind of hitting on with privacy really talks about what some of the research, Unicef and, some of the things that they've been trying to research the UK ICO children's code, like there's these like little things that, that I've been kind of looking into is like, what does that actually mean of your presence outside that door you remember the saying is like everything you do is, is there forever on the internet? Yeah, it's not exactly true. It's, it's like kind of there is what? Thank God. Right. No, no, it's copyable, which is kind of a hard concept, but it's something when you think about it, you go, oh, so what you do on the internet, and especially on places where you can share things, it's copyable and it spreads further. So let's kind of come back to your metaphor. It kind of then plays into this idea that once you go into the neighborhood, your neighborhood is huge. Yeah. The whole world. That means that other people can see it down the street, they can see it kind of thing. So you have to be mindful of that and where that all then travels. So that was some of the stuff that I've been kind of looking into the other aspects I thought was interesting is the parent element. but this woman, Stacy Steinberg's, article in twenty seventeen talks about "share-nting" which I was like, oh, what an interesting.
00:06:58 Val: Why do I know exactly what you're talking.
00:07:00 Matt: About? Exactly?
00:07:01 Val: I don't even.
00:07:02 Matt: I know, but but we make our kids presence on the internet often first, before our kids even have a choice. Our part of our lives, isn't it? Yeah. So I thought that was such an interesting element that I was like, oh my gosh, we create our child's, you know, our children's digital footprints before they even have a choice. Mhm. You know, on what things get shared.
00:07:29 Val: Um, I know that's a really big struggle for families too, especially when it comes to grandparents.
00:07:34 Matt: Yes.
00:07:35 Val: And how even if the parents don't want to share their children, oftentimes the grandparents do because they're their grandkids. It's part of their life. And I kind of just had to realize and take the stance that, yeah, that is happening in the grandparents life. Now we're very thankful that we don't have any grandparents in our family who are oversharers, who only share when they have interacted with our kids. And I think even as the years have gone by, have gotten less and less and less just naturally. Um, I know that a lot of families struggle with that. And it's really hard because you get so excited. I know that even through our three kids, our level of sharing has changed pretty significantly.
00:08:32 Matt: Yeah.
00:08:33 Val: Because, you know, the birth of your first baby is like, I want to tell everybody and everybody wants to see that because they love you. Yeah, right. Everybody wants to share in your happiness and your joy and your first baby. They love you.
00:08:46 Matt: Yep.
00:08:48 Val: And as the years have gone by and we've learned more and these companies have changed a lot of their practices.
00:08:55 Matt: Yep.
00:08:57 Val: We have had to change what we share and how much we share.
00:09:02 Matt: Well, yeah, because at the end of the day, there is value in the footprints that we leave behind. And that includes us. That includes our kids. That includes, you know, our families. Everything about that is valuable because then it tells us things, and I getting into the whole marketing and data piece of that. Yeah.
00:09:24 Val: I was like, oh.
00:09:25 Matt: Yeah.
00:09:26 Val: Look.
00:09:26 Matt: Out. Leah. Yikes. Yeah. So question I have, I have, so I put together questions as well that I like. Um, should a child have the right to veto a parent posting about them.
00:09:37 Val: Yes.
00:09:39 Matt: Yeah. Oh yeah. What age do you think like when would you get there?
00:09:43 Val: Um. I say yes immediately because I have seen some posts particularly about older teenagers.
00:09:55 Matt: Oh yeah.
00:09:57 Val: And I'm just sitting here like, ma'am, you're talking about your eighteen year old son or your your child in college or something. You know, I'm like This is an adult. Anyway, I have seen some of those posts. Um. What age?
00:10:15 Matt: Yeah, I just.
00:10:16 Val: I don't know. Yeah. Well, that's an interesting question. I feel like teenager for sure.
00:10:20 Matt: Yeah. I feel like once you start getting into the to the teens.
00:10:24 Val: I'm not gonna lie. With other friends of mine, I have seen the posting taper quite a bit. Late, middle, late elementary. Middle school.
00:10:34 Matt: Yeah.
00:10:35 Val: Um, and I think that just naturally comes with a lot of confidence as a parent, there tends to be a lot more crowdsourcing when they're young because you don't know what you're doing.
00:10:48 Matt: Oh yeah.
00:10:49 Val: Yeah. also there's a lot more with your first baby because sometimes it's just easier to ask strangers because you might not want to face any judgment from people, you know, things like that. Mhm. Um. I notice a lot more posting with first babies or first pregnancies.
00:11:13 Matt: Yeah. Because that makes sense.
00:11:16 Val: You need more help. You need more answers.
00:11:18 Matt: To figure stuff out.
00:11:18 Val: Exactly. but again, I just, I notice a lot of that tapering off as you become more confident in your parenting and things like that. Um, yeah, I guess age is it depends on the kid, too.
00:11:34 Matt: Totally. If they're like more aware of that stuff or.
00:11:37 Val: But I do think when kids look back and be like, mom, you were posting about my potty training. I know they're gonna be so embarrassed.
00:11:46 Matt: You do wonder.
00:11:47 Val: Like, well, I didn't know what I was doing and I needed help.
00:11:50 Speaker 4: I didn't know.
00:11:52 Matt: Exactly like the senator from Rhode Island would pee in his bed, you know? Like, what is that?
00:11:58 Val: What?
00:11:59 Matt: No, I'm just making a joke. But as people grow up. Right. Like the details of your life that you keep posting, like,
00:12:08 Val: Okay. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. I get I'm following you now, okay.
00:12:16 Matt: Handle that in post. Anyway, so, so hey, let's start. So something that also I was kind of playing around with was kind of like an age by age path. Like what are the things that you want to talk about, and little phrases that you can kind of think about like, when they're pretty young, you're also trying to teach them about like, hey, some of these things are family things, right? And trying to like introduce that beginning phase of no bodies and bathroom is private. but then when they start to get a little bit older, right? They're kind of in the middle of elementary school kind of thing, trying to teach them that on the internet. Like it's not just you. I think then that starts to get into things where you start talking about the different pieces, like the components of being on the internet, like passwords are like the key to your house. Yeah. Kind of thing. um, those pieces that you kind of keep in mind.
00:13:22 Val: So we have already actually had some of these conversations with our kids because their tablets can take photos. And so we realized that we needed to start having some conversations about privacy. And we laid down some rules for them. And one of the rules is you don't take a picture of somebody without their permission.
00:13:44 Matt: Yep.
00:13:46 Val: And another rule was you don't take a picture of someone if they're not wearing clothes.
00:13:53 Matt: Yeah.
00:13:55 Val: And it seems a little absurd, I guess like extreme, I guess it seems like an extreme thing to say.
00:14:05 Matt: It's just it's like a good practice. It's you start getting into just knowing that. Yeah.
00:14:10 Val: And it, it was necessary, but also some really clear boundaries that they could follow because mostly when they were in my face being like, mom.
00:14:21 Speaker 5: Take a picture.
00:14:22 Val: I was like, no, get out.
00:14:23 Speaker 5: Of my face.
00:14:24 Speaker 4: You know? But I felt like that was.
00:14:26 Matt: More, you know, things interesting that this is more prevalent in one kid and not the other kid. So it really is going to depend. Yeah. And so you have to kind of play your cards right of when these things come up, and not just kind of overload the kids like.
00:14:42 Val: Yeah.
00:14:42 Matt: This is that there's this everything is evil, just be mindful of the.
00:14:47 Val: Situation to.
00:14:49 Matt: Guide. Yeah.
00:14:50 Val: Guide the rules. so I'd like to take a minute and share some resources because our kids already, have come across some of this being younger. One game that I love is a PBS kids game. It's on the PBS kids games app and it's called Sidewalk Sushi. And this is really funny because I overheard my kids playing it one day, and I had to do a double take because it starts off being like, let's make sushi at our sidewalk cart or our food truck. And it's a internet safety course disguised as a sushi food truck game. Because literally at every level, they are teaching the kids also probably digital literacy too. Yeah. Because at every level they're asking the kids, they're like, great, you made this roll of sushi. Hey, what's the weather going to be? Which app on my phone do I choose for weather? and the kid has to choose the weather app. They're like, great, you did a good job. You're like, wait, what? And then as the sushi cart becomes a sushi stand or food truck or something, it's like, hey, let's take a picture to share on social media. And then they'll go, oops, that picture has our personal information in it. And I heard them. I was like, what did that game just say? and I had them show me it and everything. So it's so funny to see and hear. That's wonderful games like that, that they're learning things like that without knowing they're learning things like that.
00:16:30 Matt: I see I love games, learning kind of mixed in there. I'm like, that's just wonderful because it starts to click. Although I will say though, you have to be a little bit mindful of that happening. So you can then just kind of emphasize it again to go, oh, that's a really, that's a good lesson. Or do you feel like that ruins it? They're like, oh, mom and dad are telling me.
00:16:58 Speaker 5: I feel like.
00:16:59 Matt: Get that game.
00:17:00 Speaker 5: Well, for PBS kids
00:17:02 Val: So for young kids, I think it's a good game because PBS kids games are going to be geared more for preschoolers.
00:17:12 Matt: Yeah. Uh, yeah, I would say I would say elementary for sure.
00:17:18 Val: So they have the span of like preschoolers in Daniel Tiger to elementary school kids, like in Odd Squad. So the PBS kids games are going to be in that very young age group, right? So for that age group, I think it's fine that they don't quite know that they're learning at the same time. there is another resource that I found through the National PTA.
00:17:45 Matt: Yes.
00:17:46 Val: if you are not connected to your local PTA, I would suggest looking it up. If you're a parent, you can just go to the national PTA website or your state's PTA website. A lot of times they will just have resources for parents and caregivers. Um, they're a great resource. And this is how I found this. It's called the Achievery and it's a free resource. But they have courses and units with all free downloadable activities and lesson plans that are steam focused. Not only steam focus, but some social studies units. Reading units, math units, and then a lot of digital literacy learning. And it's from K through twelve. And it actually feels like they are K through twelve. Sometimes with the K through twelve stuff. It feels like the older ages don't really get a lot. But this one it actually does. So the kindergartners get things like, what does it mean to be in an online community? And the lesson is like, what are our values and how do our values help us when we're online? Things like that. And then they have courses in what is AI? What does that mean? And the older kids get courses in cybersecurity. And this is all free. It is sponsored by AT&T. I will put that out there. Um, it's not related to the PTA like national PTA, but that's how I found out about it. But I've checked out a lot of their courses and I really like it. They have, I feel like a really diverse set of digital literacy courses. And then Khan Academy also has a digital literacy course, and it's a good one. And I was just watching their introduction video and they mentioned things again, like cybersecurity, but also phishing scams. And that one focused a lot more on privacy. But if you just watch their your introduction video on their website. They explain that you have personal information that other people might want. So it focuses a lot more on your personal information like your name, your bank account information, your social media account information, and that people might use this information to get your money or take your identity.
00:20:23 Matt: Right.
00:20:24 Val: So that seemed to be the focus of the Khan Academy one, um, which is great. but it also made me think it was leaning more younger.
00:20:35 Matt: Yeah. You know, something I was reading about, is kids sharing passwords with each other as seen as almost like more of like a friendship bracelet kind of thing. And I was like, that's cute. But no, But I just thought that was an interesting, topic that has kind of come up. Just say like, no, you don't share passwords or stuff like that.
00:20:57 Val: Even though you're best friends.
00:20:59 Matt: Right? yeah, because I'm sure that would come up of like, oh, I don't have that show. Can I, can you share it so I can watch it too kind of thing. And right. but I would say a lot of the, the Netflix, I mean, those are getting much more targeted to your geolocation. So they've been pretty tough on blocking stuff like that. okay, cool. So a lot of really good resources out there for sure. I'm just thinking about especially as you know, the kids are getting closer to middle school, I feel like we're kind of slowly upgrading the updating, if you will, understanding more information of what's going on, And what I mean by that is
00:21:43 Matt: that there's going to be more opportunities for these group chats, these group discussions with friends. I mean, even some of the games, I feel like they play, you can do that. And once you put information like that out, it can be screenshotted. It can be, saved, there's things that you have to realize again, coming back to the full, the door is open, right? Also, one of the things that, you know, I think does help is the idea of the come get me to ask question about apps about, um. can I play this or can I do this? Um, okay, so there's a common phrase within, a lot of the AI agents, things like that. It's, a human in the loop kind of thing. And the idea that, um, certain things that you do, you have an action done, where you include a human in that, in the process. And that's more sometimes for verification, that's more for, you know, if it's a serious situation, it kind of goes to the human instead in the loop to kind of ensure that, hey, this was my next action. is that correct? Kind of thing? Well, I would also now introduce kind of like a parent in the loop Oh. Um, And you know, Apple has some of those things that you can implement. You know, that's what we've done for some things. So we know and you and I get updates if they're getting more time on things or if they want to download something else. I think there's something to. Include there that it just helps them to kind of have some of that, that freedom, but understanding of You still it's okay oversight. There's oversight. Yeah. good way to put it.
00:23:36 Val: So speaking of getting older. My question is how do you have a meaningful conversation without resorting to stranger danger for the internet?
00:23:51 Matt: Mhm.
00:23:51 Val: I have not figured that out yet. And we haven't explicitly said that there are online predators who are gonna come after you, you know?
00:24:03 Matt: Yeah, I know.
00:24:04 Val: We have not explicitly said that to our kids. Um, we have used the tool metaphor with them that the internet is a tool and some people use it to do good things and some people use it to do bad things. And I feel like that answer is satiating them for now, but we regularly get asked if they can go on YouTube and we have to regularly explain no, because people put content on YouTube. That's not appropriate.
00:24:37 Matt: Yeah.
00:24:38 Val: I think I struggle with having meaningful conversations with them because my mind immediately goes to the worst case scenario, which is the Wild West internet and.
00:24:50 Matt: That we grew up with.
00:24:51 Val: Yes.
00:24:53 Matt: Right. And that might be the kind of thing.
00:24:54 Val: Maybe that's why.
00:24:55 Matt: Right. It's like we grew up in the Wild West of the internet and I don't think that is there as much. I mean, it's still there. Don't get me wrong. there's shady streets, there's shady roads you don't go down. Um, same thing with the internet. Um, I would say a lot of these things are becoming more like walled gardens, right? Where you can have like, oh, you can have a friend over and stuff like that. it doesn't seem as like full blown, as it used to be when we grew up, and I'm not saying to like kind of let your guard down I'm just saying that it's just not as fluid. There's, there are barriers there. I will say, though, it is getting hard and I feel like this is something to kind of talk about like, how do you kind of get a strategy of making sure you do have the right, fences up, if you will, around the house because it can get really pretty hard to keep up with things. Um. all the settings for like an Xbox or whatever, there's a lot of things in there that it doesn't always seem very straightforward, but a lot of services have really tried to put in parent controls of some kind. Nintendo's have that they, you know, Apple, they're all trying to integrate something in there so you can get some monitoring and at least have an idea of what's happening.
00:26:21 Val: So I think it doesn't help. So I ended up looking up statistics on. like. my specific prompt was, you know, statistics on how common is it for children and teenagers to experience really extreme forms of abuse like grooming, trafficking, etc., from online predators? That was my prompt. And what were the statistics on that? And so that may have been really extreme, but there was data from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children and data from Thorn
00:26:58 Matt: Yeah.
00:26:59 Val: And if you don't know, Thorn It's a nonprofit that helps build certain technology Systems to help tech companies track and. Search out for child sexual abuse material online. Um. It's worth noting that that company does have some criticism in terms of their oversight. Well, some people think that They're a little bit too invasive and they tend to cross over into like consenting adults. And they tend to gather data from sex workers who are consenting adults when they're actually trying to look for victims. Oh, so there's some criticism there because they tend to overlap a little bit. And.
00:27:51 Matt: Yeah, I know.
00:27:51 Val: But I.
00:27:52 Matt: Feel.
00:27:52 Val: Like.
00:27:52 Matt: That's a.
00:27:53 Val: Well, I feel like I should mention it because we are talking about them as a legitimate resource and one hundred percent.
00:27:59 Matt: So that's very much appreciated.
00:28:01 Val: I want to make sure that I'm at least mentioning that. But they are a legitimate nonprofit and they do a lot of actual work in terms of helping tech companies figure out how they can make their, platforms better able to recognize that stuff. But I want to at least talk about it here because that's something I know a lot of parents think about.
00:28:23 Matt: And well, you go, you go. You go to the immediate like worst case, right? I mean, like.
00:28:29 Val: Do I go to the immediate worst.
00:28:30 Matt: Case? I feel like everyone knows I feel like it's a human thing.
00:28:33 Val: So anyway, that is just where my mind tends to go. and then I know that we've said it before You love your children the same, but you treat them in the ways that they need. Yeah. And I definitely worry about some of our children more than others when it comes to. Discretion and.
00:28:59 Matt: Well, I mean, I think it's hard because.
00:29:01 Val: I would say trust.
00:29:03 Matt: Well, again, it's always the temperament of the child. It's always so much of it depends on so many levels. It's just like there's no like a modern day Doctor Spock, you know, Doctor Spock's guide for the internet, you know. Um, so it's always going to depend on the kid. It's always going to kind of kind of understanding their just general judgment on things and say like, how do you adapt to help your kid? Um, well, so that brings up another question for me. When should kids get a private digital space for them. Like that would be like when, when is that thing that cut off? I for me, and I feel like I answered my own question here, but.
00:29:47 Val: Yeah, it's really hard because I think a lot of people use social media synonymously with internet access.
00:29:55 Matt: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
00:29:56 Val: Because so many people only use it for that or they're siloed into like, I just use the internet for work or I just use the internet for social media.
00:30:08 Matt: Yeah.
00:30:09 Val: Nowadays that's it. You know, you don't just like go online and just find a bunch of websites. that's what social media is for now. Or ChatGPT.
00:30:19 Matt: I feel like ChatGPT is, is such a crazy, like open door kind of thing that it feels weirdly private, but in the same way it is not at all.
00:30:30 Val: Yeah, not at all. So. when it's like, what should their private digital space be? Or what should their personal digital space be?
00:30:39 Matt: When you leave the house, when you have your own house?
00:30:43 Val: That's really interesting because are you talking about their own social media account? Are you talking about their own phone, where they can group chat their friends, but just in their own group chat.
00:30:57 Matt: I think it's all on the table.
00:30:59 Val: Oh, oh.
00:31:01 Matt: I think I think there's levels.
00:31:03 Val: Come on. Like I would do a, I would do a phone with a group chat before social media.
00:31:13 Matt: Agreed.
00:31:13 Val: And like, I think because.
00:31:15 Matt: Why would you do that.
00:31:16 Val: When.
00:31:17 Matt: twenty one.
00:31:21 Val: October seventh of like what?
00:31:24 Matt: Well, I think, I think kind of to my earlier point though, like, I think it depends on the kid.
00:31:29 Val: It does.
00:31:30 Matt: It's so much depends on the kid because it's just, it's not as simple as it almost feels like they're trying to, you're trying to get to a certain level regardless of the age, you know, of like, hey, I think you're ready. It's like you're ready to go into the Wild West saloon of the internet.
00:31:49 Val: Well, it depends on your social environment also.
00:31:52 Matt: True.
00:31:53 Val: Yeah, it depends on your neighborhood. If you don't live in a neighborhood with a lot of access to safe spaces, if you don't live in a place where your kids can go outside and play by themselves or even with you, you know, if you don't have sidewalks in your neighborhood where the kids can walk or ride a bike or something, if you don't even have a bike. Like if online is a way that the kids can socialize with their friends in a secure group chat, yeah, safely because outside isn't safe. You know, like parents are making imperfect choices.
00:32:39 Matt: Correct. Yeah.
00:32:40 Val: And I think this is one of them, But. I kind of as we've been talking about this, I've kind of see this as like a parallel to the outside world, like the digital internet world and the outside world, right? in terms of having the same conversation, but in a parallel way.
00:33:00 Matt: Yeah.
00:33:01 Val: Right. you had brought something up earlier that kind of made me start thinking about it. But like, don't talk to a stranger on the street or on the internet. You know, don't tell a stranger your personal information out on the street or on the internet, you know, have having these same foundational conversations that can relate both in the real world and in digital spaces.
00:33:28 Matt: Right? I think that's fair. I think the other element with the digital spaces is the idea of the things you do there. I think you just got to incorporate the digital footprint idea because things don't disappear.
00:33:44 Val: Yeah.
00:33:45 Matt: Uh, they do in the real world. Well, it depends on how you do it. I understand, but I think it's still you have to be mindful of that. So I mean, honestly, there's so much other
00:33:58 Val: We talked about a lot of different.
00:33:59 Matt: We did. But but.
00:34:00 Val: But.
00:34:01 Matt: But there's a lot of really cool resources out there. There are things, you know, it's, you're not alone on this one. Um, there's a lot of like, you know, I was reading about the, the cyber line with the FBI like that.
00:34:15 Val: Came up for me too.
00:34:16 Matt: Nice.
00:34:17 Val: Well, and I was going to share. Thorn has its own resources specifically for teenagers. I mentioned a lot for younger kids, but And the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children. They both have their own resources for teenagers, specifically for things like grooming, trafficking, um, things that would affect older kids in those really deeper level, more extreme circumstances. And so there are even online resources for those, if that's something you really need to talk to your kids about as well. And as they get older, that conversation probably should happen too. So.
00:35:08 Matt: Right. Um, so there's a lot of stuff out there, some good, some bad. I think, a couple of things I think about is, you know, at the end of the day, we're not trying to raise kids that are scared of the internet, right? That's that's not the goal, I don't think. No. Right. I think really the goal really comes down to how do you raise kids who are not naive about it?
00:35:34 Val: Oh yes.
00:35:36 Matt: So I think it's how do we help our kids? So they're able to use this. But then but be smart about it.
00:35:46 Val: Exactly.
00:35:47 Matt: Yeah. All right. Thank you.
00:35:48 Val: Everybody. Yeah.
00:35:50 Matt: Godspeed. Yeah. No kidding.
00:35:53 Val: Uh, we will try to post a lot of those.
00:35:55 Matt: We'll. Yeah, we'll get this stuff, the resources out there. Um, but yeah, there's a ton. And so that that's the, I would say that's the thing that makes me hopeful for a lot of this stuff is that there are things that we're getting smarter about it. So. Cool. All right. Thank you everybody.
00:36:13 Val: Thank you.