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Shannon: Yellow everybody, and welcome to another exciting 2026 edition of the podcast Pop.
As you can tell from my voice, I am beyond excited today because I have another phenomenal, amazing, wonderful woman.
Not just because she's one of my best friends, but because she's just awesome.
Ms. Heather Kane is an educational collaborative specialist and she is here to tell us.
All about what it's like to be a classroom educator and collaborative specialist in today's world.
Welcome, Heather.
How are you?
Heather: I am great.
Thank you.
Shannon: And for anybody if they hear a dog barking in the background, don't even worry about it.
That's Heather's dogs and we all know how I feel about dogs.
They're better than humans, so if they wanna join the podcast, they are welcome at any time.
So don't you worry about that.
Heather: Okay.
Shannon: All right, good.
Could I already know all about you?
Of course.
But I know the people wanna hear from you, so could you just tell us a little bit about you and your background?
Heather: Okay.
I have been in education for 25 years.
I've taught everything from kindergarten to eighth grade.
Now I am not from Louisville, but I moved here about.
13 years ago, and I'm a huge Ohio State Buckeye fan, and I love the beach, and my granddaughter can't forget her.
Shannon: Absolutely not, and we agree about the beach.
We clearly do not agree about Ohio State.
However, I did lose a bet to Heather and I owned up to my bet and Ya girl over here has OHIO in block lettering tattooed on her left toes.
So that lets you know I live up to my bets.
But yes, and it is kind of now an honor of our friendship, so I don't hate it.
Heather: Okay, good.
Shannon: Yes.
Heather: Oh gosh.
Shannon: you've, you said that you've taught everything from kindergarten to eighth grade.
Do you have any favorite grade that you taught or.
Heather: Yes.
I used to think that third grade was my absolute favorite.
And then I went to kindergarten and that's where my heart is.
I spent 13 years in kindergarten and absolutely love it love, love it.
Shannon: I remember when you got moved to kindergarten, 'cause I was at Cochrane then too.
'cause you were in fifth grade and you were quite nervous and whatever.
Understandably.
And I remember us talking and I was like, dude, I think like you might be good for kindergarten.
And then like you said, so what is it that with your personality and about kindergarten that you found your niche?
Heather: I love the littles.
I love the littles.
You see so much growth in kindergarten with academically it's crazy.
They can come in knowing not even how to line up and leave reading, which is insane to me.
That's an insane amount of growth for one year.
I love that as the reward, I guess, for it.
But the littles just have a piece of my heart.
Shannon: They do they capture your heart.
And it's funny because I think that.
Certain people and certain personalities match up with certain age groups, certain types, like I worked great in special ed, especially behavior problems, things like that.
And you were phenomenal in kindergarten.
And I remember I used to come in and I'd wanna just like tell you like a 62nd story and couldn't even get through a story.
'cause the kids were like Ms. Stone, or Ms. Kane, you know, Ms. Kane I looked at my paper, you know, and you used to have to acknowledge 'em.
And I'd be like, you shush.
For 60 seconds
Heather: they can't.
They can't,
Shannon: and you loved it like, yeah.
Heather: when they're excited.
They just have to have your attention right now.
Shannon: Yes.
Heather: love it.
I did.
Shannon: Yeah.
And it can, you know, it, people don't understand how taxing that can get you know, like emotionally, mentally, like it can get draining, can it not?
Heather: It absolutely can.
I had my mom come in one time and she spent the day with me.
She came back to my house after that and slept for three hours.
She said, Heather, I don't know how you do it.
They're exhausting.
They are exhausting because they don't stop and their attention span is.
15 minutes maybe.
So you've got to be on it the whole entire day.
Yeah.
Shannon: And.
I had Stephanie Breed love on the podcast and we were talking 'cause she's in early childhood now, and she was talking about how, you know, some of the kids come in knowing absolutely nothing academically or socially like you just said.
They don't even know how to line up.
And so what is it about the opportunity that you can kind of help teach these kids how to be good citizens and how to interact socially?
Heather: Yeah, they are absolutely malleable at that age and the responsibility of being able.
To expose them to school their first time for a lot of them and just help to mold them into what you hope is gonna be a good human.
It's a, it is a huge responsibility and is taken seriously, you know, that opportunity.
You know, I, a teacher always, I is impressed.
Upon a child kids are always looking up to their teachers, and I'm not trying to take away from any other grade.
I'm from my experience though, in kindergarten it's just a real precious small moment that you get with them
Shannon: Mm-hmm.
And.
Absolutely.
And I know how serious you take that because one thing that we've always talked about is that they're all good kids at that age.
Like they are so caring and so just wonderful and innocent and so what does that.
Make you stop and think about like if you're having a bad day, 'cause we're human, we, you know, that happens.
What is it about those kind of things that you make sure you, in that you are kind of checking at the door when you come in so that you, when you imprint on them, you're not letting everything else.
How hard is that to do?
Heather: It is very hard for me.
Some people can leave everything at the door and move along.
But again, the responsibility is just so huge that you have to, you can't let you know.
Outside things influence the impression you're gonna make on these kids.
You just can't.
Now, you know, I brought in some things.
They knew about me personally.
They knew I had a granddaughter they watched as she grew a little bit, and I would show 'em pictures and share, you know, my excitement.
But if I was having a bad day or I didn't feel good, they'd pick up on it.
They know,
Shannon: Yep.
Heather: But you do everything you can to make it not their problem,
Shannon: I love that.
I love how you said that.
Exactly.
It isn't their problem and they do pick up on it and a lot of times they are so sweet that they want to help make you feel better.
'cause they can
Heather: Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Shannon: and that's what I love about 'em.
So people that think, you know, this misconception that, oh, it's just cutting and pasting and gluing, like they have no idea.
Public, especially public education actually is, and what you guys actually do.
Heather: Well, in kindergarten especially, you know, a lot of people think it's play and just learning how to get along with others, and, which it is partially,
Shannon: Mm-hmm.
Heather: but there is an entire curriculum that is.
Very wide for kindergarten.
Given the gaps that some of them show, you know, like I said, they can come in not knowing a letter, let alone their name and have to leave being able to read all these sight words and small sentences, so that's a huge responsibility.
Shannon: And one of the, again, to what Stephanie's point was, she said that kindergarten is like the new first grade because the academic curriculum that you guys are responsible for and the BURGAN testing.
You know, tell us a little bit about how you've seen some of those expectations of kindergarten change even across, you know, how long you've been in it.
Heather: right.
So when I first started there it was a little bit more play-based.
Shannon: Which for, you know, kids play is learning, so we're not hating on that.
Heather: Absolutely.
Oh no.
Never.
But, and I can remember I used to have like all these centers in my classroom and you know, a lot of blocks and a house station and I used to have all that stuff in my classroom.
And then when I left kindergarten, I didn't have any of it.
I had a cabinet with some inside recess toys, and that was it.
I didn't have any of it because there's no time, there's just, there was just no time.
So it just, it changed quite a bit in the span of the 13 years I was in the, in kindergarten.
Shannon: And so how did you find ways to still ensure that you were integrating that play and that fun into this more rigorous C curriculum?
Heather: So we did a lot of singing, a lot of singing and dancing.
Where.
You know, well, you came in a few times and we would create games based on the curriculum.
So if you knew the sight word that I showed you, then they got to go throw a ball through a hoop, you know?
Or you know, we would do some brain breaks where, the kids thought they were, this was back when they didn't have the games that the kids could control then,
but you put up a game and they thought they were jumping to the left and moving the character to the left and they thought they were jumping to the right.
And so you have to make it fun.
You absolutely have to make it fun.
And I did my best to make it an enjoyable experience for him.
Shannon: And you totally did.
And that was part of the fun that I had, was when we would get to collaborate and on things and do all these different things and just have so much fun.
And we had as much fun as they did, and you have to.
And so what is it about having good relationships with other educators in your building that is so important to the success of a teacher?
Heather: Well.
that feels alone and doesn't have a good relationship with others is gonna feel isolated.
You know, to me, the collaboration with you, for example, was everything.
I mean, I could, I can remember when you were in special ed and I had, because we had a good relationship, my kindergarten students were able to see the special ed classroom.
And that never happens.
It that, you know, a lot of times special ed kids can come to the regular classroom, but for my kindergarten students to see your classroom, that was huge.
And I would, they wouldn't have had that experience if we didn't have the relationship that you and I had.
So I think, you know, building relationships with your coworkers and teaching is everything.
I had another kindergarten teacher.
Ms. Rutledge and I, we would get together because we were friends and we had a good relationship.
Every day after recess, we'd come in and we would have a half an hour of math.
Together our classes would be together and we would sing songs about math and we would do lessons and we did some readouts and you
know, it just exposes kids to another style of teaching and allows kids to see somebody other than you for a while, which is good.
Shannon: Absolutely.
Teaches 'em how to function in a larger group environment.
'cause now you're taking one class and putting two in the same room as one classroom.
And that is, you know, a crucial skill for society.
Heather: Yes.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And it was rough at first.
Whew.
You gotta lay down those expectations and everything.
But they, you know, after we got the hang of it, they did great.
Shannon: Exactly that expectation, like, you know, that they can reach it.
So have that expectation and I love our girl about Lizabeth.
She was a little bit loud.
So it could, you know, get a little hectic.
Yes.
But life is hectic.
That's what we would always talk about.
Like we have to prepare these kids for real life.
And for me, with my students, my special ed students, it was life skills.
You know, like when parents are like, oh, that's too loud.
They don't do that.
And I'm like, well, the world's a loud place.
We need to prepare them for life.
That is our job.
And so how did you find that, you know.
How you prepared kindergartens for kindergarten, for life would be different than what you might prepare an eighth grader with.
Heather: Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
One kid comes to mind, and I'll just give you this example.
This little boy came into kindergarten not knowing what the word please, or thank you meant.
Had not been exposed to expectations and rules and procedures and any kind of I can't think.
Shannon: It kinda
Heather: Yeah.
And by the time he left us, he was a perfect, gentle.
Had and I say us because I had an assistant tally who was amazing.
You know, so preparing them for life is more the basics.
Whereas, you know, a fifth grader, an eighth grader, they've already been exposed and they know what is right.
They know what is wrong, and you know, you don't have to teach them those basics.
You've gotta go a little further.
So, but kindergarten it is just so impressionable
Shannon: And that doesn't come from a, I think sometimes people see it as a judgey type of thing.
You know, like, oh, well he hadn't been taught that.
Whatever.
That's not at all where this comes from.
It comes from, this is where your student currently is.
And so I'm gonna meet you where you are.
And so did you ever have, you know, interactions with parents that were challenging?
Not, did you, when you had interactions with parents, that might be a little challenging.
How did you find the best way to communicate with family members?
Heather: I always tried to see things from their perspective.
You have to remember this is their baby and their world.
And so if, you know, I would try to be sensitive to that.
And I would always ask parents for their advice.
How can you help me?
Because I want your child to be successful just like you do.
And so what do you have to offer to any suggestions or anything like that?
I would never go to a parent and just harp on 'em.
You know, you've got, they're people just like I am.
It's it, you know, with feelings and a lot of times, you know, now that I. Since I have kids and I know what it's like, it's, you know, I wouldn't want somebody coming to me just saying all these negative things about my kid.
I, you know, I want somebody who wants them to be successful, and that's what I tried to do.
Shannon: And I remember that we, one of the, my favorite sayings was, you know, five, five o'clock comes every day and, you know, on those tough days.
And so we did get to send them home.
And so remembering that the parents were the ones that got 'em when they got home and they didn't really get a break from it.
So always, you know, kind of remembering that
Heather: Yeah.
I said that to a teacher the other day.
I
Shannon: you have to,
Heather: comes every day.
And they just went, yes.
Shannon: Doesn't mean that we don't love 'em, doesn't mean that we don't love our job.
But you know, we're allowed to have bad days.
And when we do you know, we have people that help us and one of the things that I'm always telling people, especially in the ed tech industry, that they never understand.
They think, oh, I went to school, I understand education, and they have no idea how the.
The community that it takes to actually run a school.
So you had mentioned you know, tally and can you kind of touch a little bit on the c the you know, everybody, I called everybody, I use the
term educators because I think people that just say teachers forget everybody else that make makes the classroom environment successful.
So.
Heather: Sorry.
Shannon: No, again, I told you they're all dogs.
Welcome on the podcast.
So, you know, who else allowed you to be successful that you wouldn't have been able to do your job without.
Touch a little bit on that.
Mm-hmm.
Heather: Oh my goodness.
She, okay.
So she absolutely is an educator.
She's still in kindergarten.
She's still killing it.
she's been approached by many principals.
Why aren't you teaching?
And if I was having a really bad day, I could absolutely say, tally, can I take five minutes?
And she would teach, Tally is absolutely instrumental in the kids' success.
Shannon: And one of the things I always tell people too, you know, because in ed tech, like when you're introducing new technology or
something, nobody ever talks about assistance or anything, and I'm like, you know, they actually spend more time with the kids than
the teacher does, so.
Heather: Absolutely.
And I tried to be very sensitive to that.
Whenever I sent home papers or anything, I would always have her sign her name as well.
Because she's, you're right, she literally spends more time with the kids than the teacher does because she has to go to lunch with them.
She has to go to special area with them.
She gets a 30 minute break all day and that's it.
And you know, she doesn't get a planning, she doesn't get.
You know, all these other things.
So yeah, she's, ABS assistants are un unsung heroes in the classroom.
Shannon: Absolutely.
And thank you for highlighting that.
'cause that's one of the things I'm wanting to do with this podcast.
And what I try to do every day in my work is educate people that think they know education about who is actually involved in it.
And.
We've had good leaders and we've had bad leaders, and we've seen, you know, we've had principals and assistant principals that come in during teacher appreciation week and give the classroom teacher a gift and not the assistant, which is disgusting to me.
And.
So how have you, as you've now transitioned into your role as kind of a supervisor, which I'd like you to kind of talk a little bit about, how has
seeing that type of leadership style affected how you treat people as your are guiding them and teaching them how to become more effective educators?
Heather: So my job, let me just start by explaining what my job is.
My job is a collaborative teacher, so I'm not above anyone.
I'm not, you know, I am a collaborative teacher, so that means that.
I am working right now with second grade teachers and students.
I will help.
I've got three brand new teachers and one experienced teacher on my team.
So, my role this year is more of a mentor for the three teachers.
And then, you know, I collaborate with them, I plan with them.
I. I pull groups for interventions with students every day, twice a day, you know, so, so my job is to help them as best I can.
The difference between that and being in the classroom is night and day.
The, I don't have the responsibility of the students from.
The beginning of school to the end of school.
My job is not an easy job but it is different than being in the classroom all day.
It it's very, it's it, I will say this is my second year in this role, and I will say that it is rewarding.
Maybe not quite as rewarding as being a kindergarten teacher was for me, if that makes sense.
Shannon: Yeah.
Heather: But I love my job now.
I've, you know, like I said I've been in the classroom for a long time and it's nice to switch it up and kind of have a different role in the school, the leadership, my job came because my new principal created the job she wanted.
She wanted a collab teacher for each grade level.
Well, we didn't have enough funds for that, so, so we kind of split it up differently.
There are three coaches in our building four, excuse me, four coaches in our building.
And we all have different grades and responsibilities.
Mine happens to be second grade.
And because there are four teachers in second grade, she also gave me a responsibility outside of our classrooms, which is the, we have a U of L partnership at our school.
So, over that now too.
But the,
the administration now you can.
Personally, I feel like she believes in me, she believes in my capabilities, and she just wants the best for the students and for me.
And that makes all the difference in the world,
all the difference in the world.
I've, we've been through some different kinds of leadership and in, in 25 years you will,
and to have someone who's leading you and believes in you and shows it is huge.
Shannon: It really is.
And when people are like, oh, well you're an adult, blah, blah, blah, like it doesn't mean that we stop caring about how we're treated or that it doesn't help when people believe in us, like.
You know, it, that doesn't just stop and, you know, so people that are like, oh, well, you know, you should be able to separate.
Like, I had said, I don't think that's in our nature.
You know, the people that I don't think people get into education 'cause they can't do anything else.
So, you know, and if they do and they stay there, we probably have had some comments about 'em.
But,
Heather: maybe one or two.
Shannon: Yeah, just a few.
But one of the things that I loved was that we had an unwritten rule that if I walked into your room and walked directly to your closet
and closed the door, it was like a 9 1 1 situation and an emergency of some sort, and that I needed some sort of emotional support.
I was probably crying because I was a crier anyway and that was my safe space.
And I would not have survived without that safe space.
And it was important too that it was in the closet 'cause we didn't wanna upset the kids either, but I, you know, absolutely wouldn't have survived without that.
So what kinda safe spaces do you have now?
Heather: now I have I have friends at the school that I feel like I can go to if I need it, that same closet can be a safe space for me.
Absolutely.
Shannon: Good.
Heather: I talked about tally.
We worked together for so many years.
We are friends and remain friends, and she is one of my safe places at school.
But you know, I don't necessarily have a specific place, but people,
Shannon: Yeah.
Heather: you know, people that I've.
Shannon: And that makes the difference.
I think it's, it is.
Heather: Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Shannon: One of the other things that I always loved about you was your willingness to listen and just go in all gangbusters with me when I would come in and be like, Hey, I got an idea and I did
those, oh.
All the time.
And you were always did it.
We did clear paint, clear dry rice paint on the table before anybody.
Thank you.
We did all these things.
We went and painted our own pottery and we had smart salt and perfect pepper shakers, which was amazing.
It.
Thank you.
And you know, and of course, you know, I've been in, in the technology game for a while.
So how was it, I mean, you are awesome with me, obviously, but how do you see the success of a teacher embracing new things like new technology versus when it isn't successful?
What do you see are the like major differences?
Heather: Well, I mean, just to keep up, you've gotta embrace it.
I mean, you absolutely have to.
And the kids know it, so why not use what they already know to further enhance their education?
It just makes sense to me.
Shannon: Thank you.
Yes.
I like people to hear from other people than me that exact sentiment.
And I think people and I understand, especially post COVID educators have gotten a lot of crap thrown on us.
Like I'm I, and we have so many things have to do, so much paperwork, so I'm not making light of that.
My thing is, I think because we're so ingrained and used to technology now that people forget what it was like when we went from.
The overhead to the smart board and then to Chromebooks and students having one-to-one devices and Google Classroom, like they kind of just 'cause it's old hat now.
They forget that they had to learn all that.
Heather: Yeah.
Well, you know, and a lot of people don't like change.
A lot of people don't like change because you don't know what to expect.
So, you know, and.
I get that because I had to learn Google Classroom and everything when COVID hit and you know, now it's like second nature.
But I see how that has improved things.
It's made it easier.
We now have NTI, which non-traditional instruction, which we're getting ready to have tomorrow and Thursday.
Makes it so much easier to already know all that stuff and to embrace it and assign assignments to the kids in the classrooms.
And you know, I watched in second grade, the teachers give these assignments.
They didn't have to show the kids how to do it.
They already knew.
Shannon: Mm-hmm.
Heather: They didn't have to show them, you know, so, so it's about.
To me it embracing the technology is about you growing as an educator because the kids already know it.
So you know, and you always wanna grow and improve and expand.
You know, what you're able to do with the kids.
So that's why I was always gung-ho with you.
Shannon: thank you.
And that, that, that's beautifully said.
And if we stop trying to grow and improve, I think, and we become stagnant, that's when it's time, you know, to get out and.
One of the things that I often tell people, especially like with vr, you know, if they don't believe in it or this, that, and the other, and I'm like, well, the funny thing is it's not about you.
It's about your students
Heather: Right, right.
It has to be,
Shannon: Yeah.
And so why would you not wanna do everything you could for them?
But I think there's this fear, especially with, you know, with whether it's VR or you know, ai now, especially, I think educators have this fear and it's not irrational, but they have this terror that they're going to be replaced.
Heather: Oh
Shannon: you know, and it's coming for our jobs and everything.
And so how do you find a way to balance AI and making your life easier and more effective versus, you know, people that are like, oh, it's replacing us.
Heather: There's nothing that can replace the human touch or the heart.
And if you have a heart for kids no, nothing's gonna replace that.
The, it's not replaceable.
I see it as AI and all the technology is just enhancing.
It's not gonna replace you because you can't, you know, technology can't help a kid when they get hurt.
Shannon: Mm-hmm.
Heather: They can't help a kid when they're.
On the playground and they break their arm, which has happened.
Or they, or, you know, somebody hurt their feelings.
Technology can't give you a hug.
So I feel like, you know,
Shannon: it can give you a recipe, but it can't give you, you know, a snack It.
Heather: Yes, absolutely.
It can't send you home with food for the weekend.
Because it knows you're gonna be hungry.
You're right.
So I think, you know, I get why people might be afraid of that, but to me, the teachers are not replaceable.
Shannon: Absolutely.
And we're doing a disservice to our kids because AI and everything else, whatever's going on in the government regulated, don't, whatever.
We can't control that.
But we know that if we do not prepare them for how to use these tools in their life, we're they're going to be left behind.
Heather: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Shannon: I mean it, you know, it used to be that on a resume you could put that you were proficient in Word and in Excel and now it's gotta be, you know, chat GPT or whatever.
And that's just the nature of it.
Heather: Yeah, absolutely.
Shannon: And if you rail against it, then you know it ain't going anywhere, like I said.
So, you know, then that's just another way that we're not preparing our students for life.
Heather: Might as well embrace it.
Shannon: Mm-hmm.
Well, Heather, this has been absolutely amazing.
I've had just the most lovely time chatting with you, per usual,
Right.
So I haven't forgot about the closing countdown that's coming up in, in a second.
But is there anything else that we didn't, you know, cover or that you wanted to just mention about, you know, that you think.
People in or out of the industry maybe need to know about classroom education that you think maybe they're missing or just anything else that you wanted to let people know?
Heather: I'll say.
That, you know, I know that teachers sometimes get a bad rap, and I know that people think, you know, those who can't teach, you know, and I've heard that many times and I would challenge
those people to spend some time in an elementary school or a middle school or high school, whatever, you know, but I would challenge those people to spend some time, not a half an hour.
Spend a day and just see what it's really like.
I think your eyes would be opened and you might grow a new appreciation for the profession.
Might even change your outlook.
It's not an easy job and it's not gotten any easier.
The longer I've done it, it gets harder.
The kids get a little bit, come with more challenges.
But there's nothing more rewarding than it to me.
It's definitely, What I was called to do and I'll keep plugging along as long as I can.
Shannon: I absolutely love it.
Heather: yeah.
Shannon: Beautifully said, and you know, and you just gotta hold on a little bit longer until Putman XR Consulting blows up a little bit more and I can steal you away and have you come work for me.
So if people are listening, I think you're supposed to like, like, and subscribe or something.
Maybe that'll help me get there.
That's
Heather: Like and subscribe.
Shannon: boom.
I'm supposed to have some sound effect.
That's what the young kids do.
You know, clearly not hip.
Oh.
But, okay, so the closing count on, I think this is a good one.
So I know they're technically, it's supposed to be not work related, but I think this kind of goes with it.
Like it, it could be, but being, especially that you've been a kindergarten teacher, but you also have kids and now grandkids and everything else.
I think this could be something very hilarious.
So what are the top three sounds that when you hear them.
You know, oh.
Something bad just happened.
Heather: Ah,
Shannon: love it.
Yes.
Perfect.
Heather: Top three sounds a collapse of any kind.
And a door slamming.
Shannon: Okay,
love it.
How was the door slam?
That's a good one.
Yes.
Because that's how it was with, especially with me running into that closet, man, you might not see me come in, but you hear that closet door
Heather: you would hear it.
You'd hear it.
Shannon: I, those are perfect.
I love it.
I was thinking about maybe not necessarily what was said, but how it was said versus a Ms. Kane versus, say, Ms. Kane like the old, it's not what you said, it's how you said
Heather: How you say it?
Yeah, that's
Shannon: And so one of the things I do wanna end with a great story about us and what made us just simply amazing.
Well, there was two, like a, I always love scaring you just because it was hilarious, but I treated your classroom.
Like they were I was the fun grandma.
And I would come in, I'd get the kids all hyped up and everything and then leave, which was awesome.
But I'll never forget one time I came in.
And they were eating.
And then they had, it was around Christmas time and they had a like present from Lake Santa that they were gonna get to open.
And you were like, well, maybe Ms. Shannon can open the present for us.
And I just instantly, 'cause I was always like the hype man too, which I loved.
I instantly was like, well fine, since they can't get their behavior together to do it, I will.
And you were like no.
This is a good one.
And I was like, and because their behavior is so fantastic.
I was like, you gotta let me know how I'm coming in 'cause I'm coming in hot.
Heather: Yeah.
Shannon: I always come in hot.
Heather: Oh, that was hilarious.
The kids are like, what do we do?
Shannon: Yeah.
They're like oh.
But then I, you know, I could catch it.
That's what I loved about the kids too, because you know, I'd be sarcastic or whatever and I'd forget that they were still so young they might not get the sarcasm and so then I'd turn it into silly.
Heather: I love it.
Shannon: But I was just like, I remember I was like kind of boring me, you know?
I come in hot.
Heather: That was hilarious.
Oh my gosh.
Shannon: Oh, we had so much fun.
I love it.
Heather: Yeah,
Shannon: was so good.
That was good.
I missed that.
So thank you so much, Heather, for joining me and everybody on the pop.
It's been wonderful.
My, I always say like, when you have good people in your life, it makes a difference.
And just getting to talk to you, you know, truly makes my soul happy.
And my day's been wonderful today, so thank you.
Heather: thank you.
Shannon: Yeah, I'm so glad to, to be able to share, you know, your story and your voice and let people know the amazing work that you're doing and you know, really give an actual inside, real
look into what it's like, because all these people come to me and know they want me to sell their software and EdTech and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they don't truly know what it's like.
So, I'm trying to educate them.
Education.
So thank you for being a part of that.
Thank you for always having my back, and thank you for being one of my best friends that you're now stuck with me for life.
Heather: I love you.
It's
Shannon: I love you too.
Enjoy that NTI day tomorrow.
Heather: Oh yeah.
Shannon: Let 'em work, baby.
Heather: Let.