Haj Bell | The Athletes of the 2024 Legends Masters CrossFit Games

We meet Haj Bell CrossFit Athlete who has competed on a team at Semifinal and now the Masters CrossFit Games.  What are her goals and aspirations Headed into the Games.

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What is going on, everybody?

Welcome to the Clydesdale Media Podcast,

where we are featuring the

athletes of the 2024

Legends Masters CrossFit Games.

And I am so honored and

privileged to have with me Haj Bel.

Haj, how are you doing?

I'm good.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I want to learn a little bit about you.

CrossFit seems to be

something that's very

important in your life.

Mm-hmm.

Uh, you are a coach.

Yep.

You met your husband in CrossFit.

I did.

Yes.

So,

so how do you like hang out at a gym

and meet a guy?

Well,

I wasn't hanging out at the gym and

meeting the guy.

So it was 2013 I started as

a New Year's resolution.

So it was like beginning of the year.

And at that time,

we had like very extensive on-ramps,

actually.

So it was really cool.

I had a pretty big class.

And then when we graduated

to the other side, you know,

there was a little bit of hand-holding,

but he was just my coach.

And, you know, we just...

I went to school for design.

He was an engineer.

We kind of just...

hit things off from the very beginning.

And, you know, as things progressed,

we got closer and closer.

We eventually started dating.

And, you know,

as soon as we started dating,

he could no longer be my

coach because it was just

like it went from like coaching to, well,

why are you picking on me?

Or, you know, well, I'm doing it this way.

So but, you know,

we just kept we still have

a very strong passion for

CrossFit and just living a

healthy lifestyle both inside

and outside the gym.

And it's just something we now,

12 years later,

try to instill in our daughter as well.

Our daughter's three years old.

Her name is Charlotte.

And, you know,

I try to bring her in here

with me whenever I can so

she can just kind of watch

me coach and sometimes train.

It's a little difficult to

train when you have an

agenda and there's a toddler around.

It's just a little bit more about her than,

you know, you got to get done.

But she's definitely just as

into it as my husband and I.

That's awesome.

Yeah.

Kids just watch you and they

want to emulate you.

And yeah,

the best example is just being fit.

Right.

Oh, we lost her for a second.

Hopefully that was just a

phone call or it was,

we're on airplane mode now.

So all good.

All right.

Um,

so the next part I wanted to talk about

is the,

the coolest thing about the

masters athletes is that they,

Many of you work full time.

You have families.

You have so much going on in your life.

And you have to master not

only being a great athlete,

but balancing all that stuff.

Yeah, absolutely.

So how do you manage all that?

You know, things shift constantly.

You're a mom or just, you know,

career driven or whatever the case,

everyone's story is different,

but it's just about

prioritizing your time.

You know, there are days where.

You wake up at 3.45 in the

morning and go get it done

and you're home by 6.30

before the rest of the

family's up just to make

breakfast and get the kid

and the husband out the door.

And then there's days where

you didn't go to sleep late.

So you stay in and you sleep

and you get the rest that

you need and you try to fit

it in somewhere else throughout the day.

I like working out.

I love coaching.

I think, you know,

it doesn't necessarily feel like a chore,

even when this is my first

time competing at the Games.

I'm trying really hard to

just kind of focus on,

at the end of the day, to work out.

I know what I need to work

on at this point.

I know what my strengths,

what my weaknesses are,

and it's just about

literally prioritizing the time.

I have also found,

and I think what has helped

me in my training throughout the years is

Intensity is way more

important than volume.

When I was younger,

competing at regionals back

in 2017 and 2018,

we stressed a lot of volume

and longer workouts and

just getting it in.

And I just thought if I

didn't get two and a half,

three hours of sessions in,

I was going to fall behind

against everyone else

that's just getting...

better and better,

the more time that they put in.

And honestly, as I got older,

I just realized I only have

so many reps left in my

body and they just have to

have some meaning and

intention behind them.

So scaling back on the

volume and just kind of

focusing on intensity and

skill and moving well has

really helped me kind of

steer the course and not

just overdo it for sure.

I think that's a global

theme that's going on in

CrossFit across the board

is that you don't need to

put in all the volume.

And I think Dave Castro said

it beautifully in a lot of

his interviews that at most at the games,

you're going to work out

for an hour in that day.

You need six hours of volume

to be ready for one hour if

you're doing it with intention.

Right.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So you prescribe wholeheartedly to that.

100%.

Yes.

Um, the,

I think the longest workout I've done in,

you know,

And over a month is maybe 20 minutes long.

That's not like zone two, you know,

just kind of sit there and

lubricate the joints and

things like that.

But I try not to go anything

above 20 minutes because, you know,

everything's going to be three, four,

12 minutes tops.

And even like two a days and

things like that,

they don't come often over here.

I know that that's important

when it comes to comp time.

I did compete at semifinals once.

with my team back in May at

Syndicate Crown.

And there was, you know,

two a days every day.

For the first day,

we actually had three workouts.

And that was something that

was a little humbling for

me because I try not to, first of all,

I don't have the time to do

two a days all the time.

But when I do, you know,

I still keep them short.

And there was two days

long workouts on the same day paired with,

you know, a really heavy lift.

So I had to, you know,

make sure I was fueled right.

And it was a little outside

of my comfort zone,

putting that much volume in a day,

but it was definitely

useful for me going into

the next phase of my competition.

And just knowing that I have

to really prepare and fuel

myself the days leading up

to it to make sure that I can, you know,

hang with the volume.

So whenever you find out you

make the games,

there's got to be a natural

inclination that like, man,

I've got to change this and

I've got to tweak that and

I've got to do more.

Yeah.

How do you hold those reins

in to tell yourself, no, you don't.

That's not what got you here.

um I get some help sometimes

so craig he's uh the owner

of branford crossfit where

I train and he is also

competing at the games too

and he is uh he's competed

prior um individual team

all that stuff regionals

games um so he's he's been

around he knows a lot about

you know when to

went to add the volume and

went to reel it in.

And I kind of just like,

I don't want to say blindly follow,

but I trust his direction.

And he'll see me over there,

like trying to add a little

extra to my e-mom or something.

And he'll just be like, no, no,

like you're not going to

forget how to do butterfly pull-ups.

You're not going to forget

how to do ring muscle-ups.

It's all about the accessory

work and all the other

stuff and the time under

tension and just trying to stay healthy.

And again,

enjoy it because sometimes when

we feel the pressure of

needing to maintain, um,

or get better.

I mean, there's a month left.

I don't really think I can

get any fitter in a month,

but I can certainly develop more skills.

It's funny.

I was watching Ariel Lowen's

day in the life today.

And in that she was talking

about how like the most

there's ever been of chest

to bar pull-ups in any games is 90.

Right.

Why does she need to do more

than 90 reps of that

movement in her training week?

Because any more than that,

you're just overtraining.

Yep.

And I was going to talk to

you about Craig because I

saw that he was the owner

of your gym and a

well-known OG CrossFit Games athlete.

Do you lean into him a lot

for that advice and those tips?

Yeah, I do.

I always lead with like, sorry to bother,

but would you do this or this?

But he's also a pretty good coach.

You know, he's been doing this for so long,

and he just has that athletic background.

I actually never played sports growing up,

regular sport or team sport.

I just really was always

very athletic and competitive.

So to me, I learn quickly,

but it doesn't come naturally.

I just need a little bit of guidance,

and he's really good at

giving quick cues to everyone.

But, you know, he understands me.

He sees when I get...

overwhelmed with a workout

or something like that.

And he has to just kind of tell me like,

all right,

maybe here we do singles or

here we do this.

Um, so it, it, but,

but we're totally different

athletes at the same time.

So, um,

he helps I i ask for

assistance too but I think

that a lot of times it's

just about trusting your

own fitness too and knowing

yourself um and knowing

when to you know push a

little bit just to see what

you have versus listening

to your coach which maybe

not everyone would say that

but I think that um there

is value in uh you know

sometimes making mistakes

or following direction but

um you know he's

He's a father of three kids.

He has a toddler as well.

And he's doing tons of other

things outside of the gym as well.

But I think it's a great

testament to you really

don't have to spend three hours.

And it wasn't until I

started to train with him

that I saw that it was more

about quality versus quantity.

So I trust the programming.

I do the same programming as

everyone else here at the gym.

I just insert, you know,

what I need to do on the

side but and that is where

the guidance from him comes

in but I'm working

alongside the members every

day do you have a training

partner do you do classes

and then just accessory um

We all get training partners, you know,

you kind of just always

gravitate towards someone

that pushes you or is

always like chasing you.

There's quite a few at the gym that,

you know, I train with on the regular.

There was a really close

friend of mine that just recently,

unfortunately, switched gyms,

but he was on my team for regionals.

I'm sorry, semifinals, regionals, whatever,

the same thing.

So we trained a lot together.

But it ends up being a lot

of just you versus the

clock because we're all

just kind of at this point

running our own race.

So with that,

you've been around a long time.

You've been on a team at a

very high level.

Do you have enough race

experience that when you

get to the CrossFit Games

that you'll be able to race it out?

Or do you want to just have

blinders on and go down your lane?

I think there's going to

have to be a combo of the two,

which goes back to my statement about,

you know, listening to your coach,

but at the same time,

it's just kind of like

pushing the limits just to

see how far you can go.

I know what my row time, my 5K, my 10K,

you know,

but there's the adrenaline aspect of it.

There is the how far or how

deep can I go down this

rabbit hole and how hard is it going to,

take for me to climb back out.

So I think knowing yourself

as an athlete is important.

There are workouts where I

will be able to glance over

and hopefully not get intimidated.

But there are other workouts

where I'm going to know

where I stand and there's

no sense in redlining really early on,

despite everyone being ahead of me,

because it's not always the

first couple of minutes.

Yeah.

So

just to like follow up on

that though I am if in all

of these things like that I

think about the games and

you know this will be my

first time competing

individual in general so

that in itself is a little

um like uh intimidating for

me because I've always been

on a team and I'm not by

any means saying team is

easier because it's not I

personally think it

maybe harder because you

have other people relying on you,

but I've always been on a team.

So I've never gone to this level.

I've actually never even done a individual,

like a local comp individual.

So this is like my first

time ever competing by myself.

It'll be interesting.

I think it'll just be like a

big learning experience for me,

but I have to, like you said,

just know when to like use

the other athletes as, you know,

a pacer or, and then just

trust that I know myself as

an athlete as well and when

I can push it I'll push it

well nothing like picking

the crossfit games as your

first big individual

competition not even your

first individual

competition I figured I

might as well try it out

yeah why not give it a go

um are you equal parts

excited and nervous

Yeah, I'm very, very much excited.

I think this is really cool.

I like to think I'm a big

part of the community.

I try.

Like I said,

I'm in the classes all the time.

I think a lot of the people

just see like what I do and

that I'm very passionate for it.

So I think it's just a big

like representation of not just me,

but just like my community

and all of my like family

and friends outside of the

gym too that just know how

much it means to me.

So I think that goes a long way and

I have friends that don't

even CrossFit that just, like,

call me up and ask me about this stuff.

And they're just wondering, you know,

how are they going to watch

me and all that stuff.

And I think that that's really cool.

That's super cool.

And that's how we grow support, too,

right?

Your passion.

Yeah.

Share it with friends and family.

So...

A lot of the team athletes I

talk to don't even think

individual when they go

into the season because

they have committed to

three other people that

this is what they're doing.

But because of the way this

season laid out,

was it always a goal to try to do both?

Um, not necessarily.

No, the goal was always to try individual.

I mean, I, I turned 35 in August,

so I'll be 36 in a couple of days.

And I knew I was like, okay, you know,

I'm going to be the younger

of that age group.

I might have a shot.

We'll see what happens.

I'm going to focus on what I

need to focus on.

Um,

but I did have a close training partner,

Zane, and, um,

he competed last year at

semifinals as an individual, um,

and we would just like talk

back and forth but there

was not really much set in

stone until uh later on

last year we just you know

when you meet the right

people you just kind of you

just connect and then

they're all great athletes

and we just started working

out together and things

just progressed and it was

more of like uh um

The main goal was individual.

They knew that everyone

understood that they were

all very supportive.

But let's give it a shot for team.

It'll be fun.

We were just going into this for fun.

And it really was.

I mean,

like the training leading up to it

was fun.

The open was obviously the

open is what it is.

It's always just like head down and grind.

The quarterfinals team was a lot of fun,

but it was.

I think out of all the

qualifiers that I did,

because I was basically

doing a qualifier like

every other weekend, was the hardest one.

Because again,

you've got these people just...

you know,

we're all leaning on each other here,

so you don't want to let anyone down.

And you always end up just

pushing a little bit harder

when there's other people in your corner.

So, no, they were very,

very supportive of my decision.

I didn't know what I was

getting myself into,

to be honest with you, neither did they.

You know, I tried my best to not, like,

overdo it with training the whole season,

just because once the Open started,

it was always something

that we were kind of trying

to stay focused on.

But it was a little

challenging after team

quarterfinals to try to

And we figured out when we

found out we made it,

I still had my qualifiers to go through,

but we we needed to get to work.

You know,

it's not just about making it there.

It's about showing up when you get there.

So it was just like team

training one day qualifier

for individual the next day

back to team training.

There was one day where I did a qualifier

in the morning and then we

did team training in the afternoon.

So it was just like,

they worked their schedule

around me and they were

very supportive during my portion of it,

which made it more fun.

And obviously that makes the

team grow closer together too.

But would I do it again?

Probably not.

I would probably focus on

team or individual just

because it is a lot

physically and mentally too.

And obviously time away from my family.

Yeah,

there were a handful of athletes I

talked to that were trying to do both.

Whether it was individual

semis or even individual

games both way or team individual.

And I don't think anybody made it.

I don't think anybody made games on both.

Yeah.

For all the people that tried.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, if you got it,

you might as well try it.

But I do think there's

something to be said about, you know,

not spreading yourself too thin.

And you don't want to do that too.

So I wanted my team to know

that I was there 100% for them.

And they also were 100% very

supportive of me when I

needed it to be just about me.

And I think it couldn't have

gone any better.

It really couldn't have.

I think going to semifinals

for me was a huge learning

experience because the sport has changed.

It's evolved.

It's gotten harder.

It's gotten bigger.

And when I was at regionals 2017, 2018,

there were smaller regions.

The margin was much wider in

terms of everyone's fitness level,

whereas we went into the

weekend 21st and we walked

out at the end of the weekend 21st.

It wasn't like no one

stopped getting fitter than us.

Everyone was just there.

Everyone is so good nowadays

and the workouts are just

getting more and more.

advanced and grunty.

And when you're on a team, it's just,

it's not even about your fitness level.

It's about your

communication and those

little mini seconds of just

missed reps and the no reps

or like the non-synchronous movements.

So yeah, it's the, I thought, you know,

leaving that weekend, it was,

I had a lot of information

in my pocket to kind of

dissect and go through and learn from.

So Jody Lynn asks,

does Hajj compete against Jamie?

What age category is Hajj in?

So Jamie is my co-host.

She is actually competing in

the 40 to 44-year-old division.

Hajj is competing in the 35 to 39.

Just clearing that up for Jody.

Okay.

Fight for the fittest comes

in with a big fan of Hajj.

Good luck at the contest.

thanks guys yeah I competed

there last year it was a

lot of fun tons of fun I

want I'm actually trying to

convince my team to sign up

again this year but we'll

see what happens we're

waiting till till I finish

the games and then we'll

see how we feel but it was

a good time yeah I really

love those guys we had them

on weeks ago and uh love

the the concept of that

that a competition um

One connection I have kind

of with you as I was

researching you is at CrossFit Brantford,

one of the other coaches

was one of our very early

analysts on this show like four years ago,

and her name is Diane Stone.

Oh, I love Diane.

She's the best.

So, yeah,

we had her on as an analyst way

back in the day when we

were first starting out.

Yeah.

I love Diane,

and I didn't know that

connection until I was researching you.

Yeah, no, she's super cool.

I actually met her husband

first at I used to coach.

I used to coach like all over the place,

but I used to coach at this.

Jim,

a couple of towns over and I met him

and he's really super cool laid back,

just like her, of course.

And his name is Charlie.

And I call my daughter Charlie.

So when I met him, I was like,

you are my second favorite, Charlie.

And then I met his wife

shortly afterwards.

And I was like,

you are you two are just so cool.

They're very cool people.

I met their daughter as well.

I've coached her a few times.

Hannah, she's really cool.

Diane brings a lot to this

community as well.

And she's very like all,

all heart all the time.

Yeah.

She's great.

So, so with,

I'm going to go past the team thing.

Let's walk through your season real quick.

So,

so you went through age group

quarterfinal and you finished the 30th.

Yeah.

Under, yeah.

Some, somewhere around there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And then in semifinals,

you improved a little bit up to 26th.

But the turnaround for that

for you had to be insane

with doing team and individual.

And then like it had to be week, week,

week, week, bam, done.

Yeah, it was every other week, basically.

Whereas if I was just doing individual,

I would have had a month

break between the qualifiers,

but I didn't because of the

team in between.

And then my semifinals was

two weeks before the team semifinals.

Yeah, I mean, honestly,

every qualifier was...

A little different.

I prefer a little heavier

weight and higher skill.

So I always like the open, you know,

I think everyone is just

everyone can do a burpee.

It's just a matter of who's faster.

But when it gets to like the

higher weights and the ring

muscle ups and the higher skill movements,

that's where I tend to kind of.

hopefully step it up because

those are the things that I

try to work on.

But I actually,

I don't know how everyone

else feels about this.

I really, really enjoyed the

semi-final workouts to the

age group semi-final workouts.

I thought they were a lot of fun.

I don't think everyone thinks the same way,

but you know, I don't necessarily,

it's like, it's so weird.

Ring muscle-ups have always

just been like a big weakness of mine.

And then this past year I was just like,

well, enough's enough.

So I just kept working on

them and it really wasn't

just doing ring muscle-ups.

It was just all the other stuff,

the ring supports,

the negatives and all that stuff.

And the ring muscle up ended

up being my best finish out

of all of them.

So, um, I was pretty happy about that,

like super ecstatic.

Um,

and then also just the heavy barbell

and I, we get along.

Yeah.

I, uh, I,

I think CrossFit workouts are

like Chinese restaurants

just because one person loves it.

Doesn't mean everybody loves it.

Right.

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Um,

And depending on your skill set,

you're going to love

something different than

someone else is going to love.

But it's cool that it didn't

fit your needs.

What are your reasonable

expectations for the games?

As you're a rookie,

you look down the list of

perennial semifinal

athletes that are going to the games,

some former games athletes.

Yeah.

It's tough to say.

I honestly have...

This may sound weird,

but I have no expectation.

I'm trying not to have any

expectations because I

don't want to... I'm just

going to have fun with whatever it is.

I mean,

there's only so much I can do to

get myself there.

Just to go back to the whole open season,

when I got to my quarterfinals,

semifinals, or I'm sorry,

age group semifinals, I was kind of like,

finally I can catch a break

because I did struggle a

little bit on the...

quarterfinal workouts um you

know and I was thinking

it's because of it it's

because I'm doing team too

and my body's not

recovering enough so like

the self-doubt starts to

come in um but I think once

I get there I have to just

kind of trust myself um

take it all in I am there

at the end of the day so

and just have fun I mean

everyone there is like

obviously we're like

just as passionate as I am about it.

So it's not like I'm going

to be around people that

don't have the same, you know,

interests as me.

I think, I think it'll be cool.

I think it'll be such a

different experience than I'm used to.

And I'm very much looking forward to it.

Just being by myself there.

it's hard to have any

expectation when you don't

even know what the workouts are,

how many workouts are going to be like,

and nothing's been released.

Are you someone who would

prefer they don't release

any of the information?

Absolutely not.

No, I need to know.

I'm very typing.

I need to know everything.

Um, like, I don't know that it's not even,

I don't want to practice them all.

I just need to know what I'm

getting myself into.

Um, yeah.

Because then I know where I'm at.

That's it.

Then I'll know where even if

I if it ends up being

something I can't do,

then it is what it is.

But like, you know,

I'm not going to figure it

out in two weeks.

But yeah,

I definitely am a person that

needs to know what,

what I'm getting myself into my husband,

when we first met,

he was actually very competitive.

And then just, you know, through our paths,

our linear paths, we stayed with CrossFit,

but I just, you know,

kept getting more

competitive and he's just

focused on just staying

healthy and fit for as long as possible.

But he doesn't even look at

the workout ever.

He just walks in.

And his shoes just happen to

be shoes that he can run in

or climb a rope in.

And he always has his jumper open.

He will never look at the workout.

He just, he's there for the day.

Whereas I'm like, I need the whole week.

I need to know what I'm doing this day.

And, you know,

and that's just a big part of, you know,

prioritizing my time and

when I'm going to fit it in too.

So knowing what I'm getting

myself into is kind of

important for things like that.

i hear you and I'm a lot

like you like I am type a

and I want to know but it

is bad for me to know

because you cherry pick I

don't cherry pick I just I

will run it through my head

5 000 times before I do

yeah well you know what

you're right we are very

similar because I do the

same thing I i if it I for

sure will be stressed out

if it is something that I can't do um

But I'd rather know still.

I don't want to show up that

day or that weekend and

just get a workout thrown

at me every time.

I just don't think I

mentally could... I don't know.

I say I don't think, but who knows?

Maybe I would thrive off

under that scenario.

You never know.

I mean, we don't even... We got, you know,

a welcome kind of info

package email thing.

that said we had to check in

on wednesday and then our

athlete briefing is

wednesday night at 8 30 and

then we're we're competing

thursday friday saturday

sunday so that's the extent

of information that I have

um that makes me nervous

right then and there

because it's like well I

got a toddler and I want to

be sleeping at nine o'clock

at night but I know I won't

be so I really hope the

first workout these are the

things that are going

through my head doesn't

start till like nine or

noon you know and it's not like a sunrise

Who knows?

One year at Waterpalooza,

we had literally a sunrise swim at 6 a.m.

on the ocean.

Not swim, I'm sorry, a 5K run on sand,

and we had to run in the

water every 400 meters.

And we didn't know what the

workout was until the night before.

My anxiety was through the

roof up until I saw the workout.

And then I saw the workout and I was like,

God, I hate this workout,

but at least now I know

what I'm getting myself into.

Yeah, I'm terrible.

Even with these interviews,

I run interviews through my

head the night before.

Well, I'm glad you do,

because I had no idea what to expect.

It's gotten to the point

where I don't even do the

full research on anybody

until the day of.

Okay, that's good.

Or I won't sleep.

Right,

you have too much stuff going on in

your head.

I get that, I get that.

And today I'm doing five of these.

That would have been a

disaster if I was trying to

run five interviews through my head.

Yeah,

calling me the wrong name and asking

me about the wrong people.

That wouldn't have been fun.

True.

Don't want that to happen.

So who are you taking to

Birmingham with you?

My husband and my daughter

are coming for sure.

My mom came to semifinals this year.

So my mother-in-law is

coming this time to

Birmingham and she's pretty

excited about it.

I'm excited she's coming.

I think that's really cool.

And then I think just like some friends,

obviously Craig's family

will be there as well.

But there's some friends

from the gym that have been

talking about coming down

and looking at hotels.

But for sure, my husband and my daughter.

Yeah, we got to pack that place.

Make this a big event.

We should.

We really should.

Yeah.

Well, I'm going to be there.

I'm going to do, we got permission,

full access to do a behind

the scenes documentary of

the entire Masters CrossFit Games.

So Ellie Hiller and myself

will be backstage interviewing people,

just having conversations,

not really interviewing.

And then we'll have some

videographers catching

footage of on the floor to

put that all together after

it's all over for you all to enjoy.

That's awesome.

That's really cool.

I really appreciate you doing this.

And I'm really,

really stoked at how the

competition is just the

direction it's going for sure.

Yeah.

Well,

I want to thank you so much for

taking the time out.

I could,

I could talk to you for another half hour,

but I'm trying to keep

these so they're manageable.

It's been a,

it's been a treat getting to

know you and I can't wait

to meet you down in Birmingham.

Awesome.

Yep.

Thank you to everybody.

You too.

Thank you to everybody in the chat.

I will be back later today

with more of these interviews.

We'll talk to you all later

on the Clydesdale media podcast.

Bye guys.