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Welcome to the Leadership Roundtable, a podcast with Doctor. Conway Edwards where our goal is to help you increase your leadership capacity. Let's get ready for today's episode. Welcome to the Leadership Roundtable, a podcast with Doctor. Conway Edwards.
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Pastor Matt:Today, doctor Conway, pastor Conway, we're here. We're ready to jump in. Yep. We've got a topic I think you're pretty passionate about.
Pastor Conway Edwards:I love this one. Oftentimes in your church, depending on how old your church is, usually have individuals that's been there for two years and they're still red hot and fire. But when you get to the five year mark, the ten year mark, the fifteen year mark, then some people start to wane off the ministry road and begin to say that's for the new people, that's no longer for me. So today we want to talk a little bit about how red to hot on fire consistently through the year and over the years. It's a challenge most churches have, but how do you keep your volunteers fired up, ready to go?
Pastor Conway Edwards:The vision is hot, the mission is hot, and they're ready to go over and over and over again. That's the challenge. Have ever had that challenge? You want to listen to this podcast today. I think it would be extraordinarily helpful for you and your team.
Pastor Conway Edwards:What do we have, man?
Pastor Matt:Yeah. Right here it says, this is about maintaining internal fervor for external impact. So it's all about how do we keep that fire going on the inside? And through seasons, through ups and downs, through rhythms, you're gonna have challenges. If you don't, something might be a little off.
Pastor Matt:But what does it mean to keep the heat, to keep the fire going, and why does that matter so much?
Pastor Conway Edwards:Yeah. I think it matters greatly because so go the leader, so go the team. If the leader is not red hot on fire, then the team won't be. The team can only be as hot as you are, which therefore means you've got to figure out a way to make sure you maintain your why, your your passion for the kingdom of God, and for advancing the kingdom ball forward. So it all starts with the leader, and then how do you create teams that are red hot on fire as well.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And so I'm I'm really, really excited to talk through this, especially if you have a volunteer driven culture where a lot of your volunteers are engaged. We've always said it. The key to concentration is elimination, which means you gotta make sure you have the right people in the right seats ready to go, fired up, cannot wait for the opportunity that's ahead of them. How do you do that every single weekend? How do you make sure that that's taking place and that you're not losing your passion as you go?
Pastor Conway Edwards:That's what we're all about today.
Pastor Matt:Yes. Because Sunday is always coming. Everything. People are always coming. Opportunities are always coming.
Pastor Matt:And, wow. And I think the more the more regular something is, the harder it is to I mean, the easier it is to lose the fire. Correct. So identifying these, it says on here, it says your leadership and personal temperature is either increasing or decreasing morale of those around you. It's what you just said, the leader sets the stage.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Absolutely. A old preacher one day told me, if you ever drive on one of those old back roads going into the country, he says, every now and again, you're gonna see a light pole. And he says, every single, you know, however far you have to drive, gonna see a light pole. Then he's no, but then he's no. He says, that's what Sunday's like.
Pastor Conway Edwards:It comes every every other moment. You'll see it show up and you gotta deal with it. So you gotta keep these volunteers red hot. And here at our church, we say that as a leadership team, everybody in our church should be getting attention, building an army. Everybody should be adding adding value to somebody and make their product better.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And so those are the four things we ask our people to do every single week. If you're gonna do those four, one of them is you gotta create a build an army for your team. If you're gonna do that, you gotta know how to motivate them, how to keep them inspired, how to how to how to fire them up. By the way, in organizations, you need to do it. In the in the military, you need to do it.
Pastor Conway Edwards:How do we keep people fired up? And so some of the concepts we're gonna share today can cross over to your educational environment, your industry environment, your military environment, whatever environment you're in, it applies as well. So why don't we take it take it to the next level, Matt, and talk about the red hot standard? Standard.
Pastor Matt:Yeah. The red hot standard is the singular obsessive focus. It's where you eat, sleep, breathe, the mission, the vision, and the call of God is the primary engine, it says, that we have in our lives. And here we have the difference. You're gonna contrast the red hot leader versus the obligation driven leader.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Absolutely. So when you have the red hot leader, they're passionate. Every topic naturally circles back to the mission. When you have the obligation driven leader, they're they're they're stagnant. Ministry is a series of task to be checked off.
Pastor Conway Edwards:You can see the difference there. One is all in. One is it's on the periphery. Okay. Let me get this done so I can go back to the things that matter most to me.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Number two, they're driven. The red hot leader is moves with clarity. The call is the internal motor. So they understand their why, and they're executing on a daily basis. The obligation driven leader, they're meandering, allows distractions to pull them off course.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And so whenever we are serving in ministry, oftentimes, especially over the long haul, life's gonna happen to people. And so the question is gonna be Wow. What's their major motor? Is it is it advancing the kingdom of God, or is it money that's your major driver, or is it the priority of your kids? In our world, we call it the rich a rich world where we worship our kids in in the suburbs of of Dallas, Fort Worth.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And so you've gotta ask what's the primary motor, because if you don't set that early, then everything else will will will take you off your focus. Number three, high decisional philosophy clears the desk and resolves conflict fast. In other words, we don't leave conflicts for them to fester and grow. When we see them, we develop, we solve them, and we try to determine how can we work through the issues so that we can get back on mission. If you're a part of the obligation driven leader, then becomes a bottleneck.
Pastor Conway Edwards:When it does, then decisions and conflicts, sit unresolved for weeks, and that only drains a team. If you're an effective leader and you see a leader not dealing with an issue, which is draining the team, then the whole morale of that team, diminishes. And then lastly, growing submerged in high capacity environments versus the obligation driven leader, it's average content with content with current capacity and stagnant circles. That's the difference between the two. The challenge is, if you don't solve it, then it will it will grow in your church, it will grow in your business, it will grow in your ministry, and ultimately suck the life out of your people.
Pastor Conway Edwards:So, yeah, we gotta get it going.
Pastor Matt:I wanted to just give one example that we saw this week. Passionate versus stagnant, one that we if you're in ministry or you're in any kind of customer service connecting with people is is your business. And a great example of this is after a big weekend or something big like Easter in a church, we have a goal to connect with everybody who wants to take the next step. And if we're not careful, the goal can be a series of tasks to be checked off. I tried to call everybody, done.
Pastor Matt:That's what a stagnant leader would say. I think a passionate leader would say, no. No. No. My goal is not just to check off calls.
Pastor Matt:My goal is actually to make connections with people. And it's real easy in the busyness of life and we get distracted, we get bottlenecked, we meander, and I think we've seen, and you probably see this too wherever you're listening from of getting so easily into the, let me check the boxes versus make the real connections. Don't know.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And I think the the beauty of the real connection is, you know, every number has a story. And so because it's a story, you're trying to see what's God been doing in this person's life. So you're not just gonna call them once, you're call them, you're keep calling them, you're gonna send an email, you're gonna find them on social media, because you care about their next spiritual step. And because of that, you wanna make sure that they're not dropped, they're not left behind because that's how you also get charged up. Church, I tried to do this.
Pastor Conway Edwards:It didn't work, so I just left them. And you don't have a rhythm of making sure we're pursuing this connection because God is up to something in that person's
Pastor Matt:That's right.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And you can know when somebody is not red hot because it's just a task, and they give up real easy because they're missing the story God is telling by each name that registered or signed up to take a next spiritual circle. Edith, what you have on here is that your ceiling will be
Pastor Matt:the ceiling for everyone else on your team. A 100%. So your the level of hotness you are as a leader, red hot on fire for the mission, people on your team will only get as hot as you are.
Pastor Conway Edwards:That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So then the question becomes why do we why do we lose our fire? Why is it that we we started out red hot and then we kinda coasted down? Well, how do we get there?
Pastor Conway Edwards:How do we lose the joy of our salvation almost, and get to a place where ministry has become a burden. Ministry has become, man, do I have to do that again? I just need a break. I don't wanna do this anymore. How do you get from you being red hot on fire to where now you just wanna leave and you don't want anybody to connect with you anymore?
Pastor Conway Edwards:How do you get there? Let's talk, man.
Pastor Matt:What's There's three things. The first one is stagnant environments do that. If you hang around with the same average people you always have, then your vantage point will never shift. You must intentionally get around people who force you to elevate your thinking. What does that look like for you to force yourself to get around people who expand your thinking?
Pastor Conway Edwards:Yeah. Again, if you if you create your life with rhythms, there there are meetings that you have regularly with people that fill you and there are people that drain you. I wanna make sure I have more filling than draining, which means I have to create pathways and I have to create rhythms where, you know, right after for example, right after Easter, we we usually go away with three or four pastors, and it actually helps us go through all the services we have to do. If I know at the end of this, if I just get to Sunday evening, then the next morning, I'm on a plane going somewhere, and that's what people that fill me. That's what people that are passionate about, what they just did.
Pastor Conway Edwards:I can't wait to see what God is doing in each of the churches. And so part of it is you put that in there because I know having been drained with Easter, I get to recover with some really good friends that we get to share what God has been up to in our lives personally, in our family's lives, and in the life of the ministry as well. So that's one of the things that we do. And then you just have you you you put regular people in your weekly meetings that you know will either pour into you or will give you a great time just laughing your heads up and having a great time as we fellowship around what God's doing in our lives and in our families.
Pastor Matt:That's a really good one.
Pastor Conway Edwards:The second one says, consumption decay. Leadership requires perpetual submersion. If you aren't reading or listening to growth oriented materials every day, you're only regurgitating the same ideas you had five, ten, fifteen, twenty years ago. Which means, all they're asking you to do is to pursue being a learner, and learn every day, and learn something every single day. I do it every day of my life.
Pastor Conway Edwards:I try to pick up something that I never know, listen to somebody that I've never heard, or just get a constant diet so that I can be a better leader. I can be more faithful to what God's calling me to do, and I have something to pour into the people I'm leading as well. That's good. And the third one is
Pastor Matt:decisional paralysis. Fire is maintained through movement. A leadership decline is tied directly to the speed at which you move items from your desk to someone else's. A failure to resolve conflict quickly causes smoke that eventually smothers your internal flame. Come
Pastor Conway Edwards:on somebody.
Pastor Matt:Yep. You gotta keep things moving and that goes to the bottleneck we talked about on the the when that bottleneck and the the pile, whether it's problems or people, when the pop problems pile up, it paralyzes you.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And if you don't if you don't have a consistent method of giving ministry away, then when more come to you, you're just adding more to your plate, but you're not releasing any. So over time, burnout's gonna happen. Over time, it's too much for me. Over time, the weight's too heavy, and all you have is complaining after complaining after And once somebody starts to complain, they've reached their capacity. When they reach their capacity, the next move is to say, I don't wanna do this anymore because the joy of it is gone.
Pastor Conway Edwards:One of the things you have to do early is making sure you're giving it away to other people, empowering other people so they can do a part because you know you're gonna get more on your plate that you need to literally lead through. So if you know that's coming, then you gotta pass them off. Oh gosh.
Pastor Matt:I read this I read an article on this today. It said it it was titled, what's the one thing most leaders do that hinder their leadership? And the one thing it said they do is they do instead of develop.
Pastor Conway Edwards:My god. Ain't that the truth? You must one of my mentors consistently says, you must give away everything off your plate except that which only you can do. And so if you're doing stuff that other people can do, you're only hurting yourself. And in a and in a few months, you're gonna have people walk away from you because they're gonna be doing too much because you're doing too much.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And you're not you're not modeling for them that you develop other people to give it away except you're not doing. You only do what you can do. That's good.
Pastor Matt:Now it says on here that there's actually when we lose the fire, there's actually a language we pick up for stagnation that we use to justify why we're cooling down. There's a language of stagnation, and we justify it. We rationalize it. We have excuses. And it says on here, we allow a culture of ineffective celebration to take.
Pastor Conway Edwards:My god, today. The number one one is protecting the little town. This is often mislabeling of unwise time management. Because we don't know how to manage time, then we put the wrong thing at the wrong time and then run out of time, and now we're complaining that we have too much to do because we've added too much to our schedules, didn't plan it out well, because we don't know how to manage time, the burden gets increasingly heavy, and then we use it as an excuse. Well, when else do you want me to do it?
Pastor Conway Edwards:I don't have any time to do it. Mhmm. And it's all because we're poor time managers. Every volunteer should learn, and we should teach them how to manage their times based on their priorities. If we if we don't do that, it's only a matter of time before burnout, before unhealthy things happen, and before somebody says, I don't wanna serve anymore.
Pastor Conway Edwards:I just wanna come to church.
Pastor Matt:The second one on there is the lust for position. Mhmm. And it's realizing the difference between lusting for a title and actually being called by God. And and lusting for a title, a lot of times driven by ourselves and being called by God actually, I think throughout the entire bible, it involves community and affirmation and and sending rather than me appointing myself and we tend to lust for position
Pastor Conway Edwards:and that's not good. We're celebrating ourselves and not the call of God and those around us. That's really good. Obligation serving, this is when the lights are on, but the mission is dead. Nobody is passionate anymore about it, that we're still operating, we're building rich, but we're ministry poor because the mission is dead.
Pastor Conway Edwards:When you serve out of obligation, you celebrate poor performance just to keep the seats filled. That's what we're trying to avoid, is where our passion and drive is not driven out of obligation, but out of a call from God himself. Which is why which is why when somebody frustrates you, you don't walk away from it because you know you're called to do it. God's the one that called me to do it, which is why I keep going because he's the one that's calling me with the passion to pull this off for the glory of God. Alright.
Pastor Conway Edwards:What do you got about any any any summary thoughts, Matt, about our justification, about our excuses, about the language we use, the language of stagnation. Any any ministry experiences or any other one that you see people come up with that says, yeah, I just I just until I put an excuse, that's good for them, but that.
Pastor Matt:Well, you know, I think the the lust for position, I think sometimes when there's a cool down or we lose fire, we lust for a new position as if the new position is what's gonna give us new fire, Where we just haven't cultivated where we're at now and sometimes we we think that's the the escape. Sometimes we'll even say that that's god calling us to we'll we'll even justify it with god as, man, this is stagnant. This isn't going. God surely wouldn't want me to be here. He'd want me to be there.
Pastor Matt:And then lust for something different and then blame God for it at the same time.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Office advocacy people people because they don't wanna solve a problem in the ministry they're in. They usually say, yeah, it's my season to step out because they don't wanna solve a problem. They do it all the time, and it becomes their excuse that they use to say, I don't wanna serve anymore because I don't like that person. I don't wanna work it out. I just don't wanna serve with them one.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Rams off dance.
Pastor Matt:That's good.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Alright? Let's keep going, bro.
Pastor Matt:We got? The three vectors of perpetual betterment.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Come on now. How do you how do you get better at what God's calling you to do so that you maintain your fire through the process? And there really three major ways. Number one, the people you hang out with. Number two, what you intake into your life.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Number three, how you make decisions. Those are the three things that influence you and keep you fired up about your call. This is for anybody. If there's a young leader listening, this is the only way you grow. If there's a seasoned leader listening, this is the there is not another way.
Pastor Conway Edwards:There are three ways you grow, and you're you're somebody different next year than you were this year. Number one, who are you hanging out with? Number two, what are you listening to? What are you reading? What's the intake in your brain, in your mind, and in your heart?
Pastor Conway Edwards:And then number three, how do you go about what's your decision making metric that helps you make wiser decisions each year? Because it is the decisions that determine your trajectory. So those are the three ways, I promise you. I don't know of another way where you can grow without going through what I was saying. Somebody might say, well, how about Jesus?
Pastor Conway Edwards:That's the who. Somebody might say, how about mentoring? That's the who. How about coach? That's the who.
Pastor Conway Edwards:You need to determine your who to make sure you're different next year than you are this year.
Pastor Matt:Yeah. I just love where it says here. Your leadership level is the average of your inner circle.
Pastor Conway Edwards:My god. Ain't that the truth? You show me who you're hanging out with, and I'll show you how healthy or unhealthy you are. Facts of
Pastor Matt:life. It's been it's I've watched you over the years and to see you always challenge yourself. You don't have to name drop with who your circle is, but I've seen your circle evolve over the last twenty years. I've spoke. Because you've been trying to grow as you have one circle, then you step into another circle.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Especially because when you when you're trying to go places nobody has been before Right. You you've gotta you can't just get somebody who's been there. You gotta get somebody who can craft how to get into new spaces that nobody has ever been before. Mhmm. And that's not a cookie cutter, let's go to 2,000 people.
Pastor Conway Edwards:It's now, let this has never been done before. Who can help me think through guardrails to help us create something that's never been done before. And I think that's just extraordinarily hard to do, and you gotta have the right people that are doing it in their fields to help you facilitate moving in that direction. Yeah. And the really cool thing about that is is that it doesn't matter what level you're at in
Pastor Matt:your leadership. Yep. At any level, whether you're leading just yourself all the way to a 100,000 people, you can always look for who's the next step up. Yep. How can I upgrade my circle so that I can get poured into and grow and learn?
Pastor Matt:And it's different for all of us. So wherever you're at, you can do that.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Yeah. And if it's if it's there there's some really creative people out here. And if it's if you see something or God's leading you to something that's never been done before, then you need to surround yourself with people who can create.
Pastor Matt:Mhmm.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Create stuff that's never been done before. There are too many people that just want to do what somebody else down the street is doing and not create something that's never been done before. But if you're gonna reach people that have never been reached, you've gotta do things that's never been done. Somebody said that I really don't know who it is, but somebody that I've heard that too. But anyways, let's keep going.
Pastor Matt:It's probably me. But Yeah.
Pastor Conway Edwards:They don't from this year.
Pastor Matt:So wouldn't. Lastly, how to become and remain red hot in ministry?
Pastor Conway Edwards:Yep. Four things. Number one, you gotta obviously spend time with God, unhurried, time alone with God. There is nothing that can replace that. And if you're not doing that, then you're not working out of your overflow, then you're trying to please somebody above you.
Pastor Conway Edwards:You're now trying to make sure Yeah. That the people around you are happy, and you do it for all the wrong reasons. And that will fade over time. It must be. In light of all the things God's done, I am so blown away that he choose me that I can't believe I get to do this.
Pastor Conway Edwards:That's one. The second one then is you've gotta do an energy audit. What fills you and what drains you. And you gotta make sure there are more things filling you than they are draining you, and that becomes priority. And then a Sabbath, you need a time where you're gonna rest and you're gonna do what God's calling you to do, and you gotta rest.
Pastor Conway Edwards:So one of my mentors told me, if you're doing it with your if you're doing it with your mind is what you do for work, then you go do it with your hands. You just do the opposite on the time when you take it off so that you give your mind some time to rest. And then the last one is the why rhythm. I tell people all the time. In my office, in the bathroom, it does remember your why, because you've got to remember why you do this.
Pastor Conway Edwards:You've got to remember why God called you to this. You've gotta remember why Yeah. You cannot afford to let the vision or the mission leak because the stakes are too high for us not to simply do what he's called us to do. Any thoughts, Andy?
Pastor Matt:No. I love all of these. And, yeah, just figure out as you work through this, make sure you're doing these. But even the time alone with God, it's just what what pastor Conway was saying. It's it's time with you and God and not tricking yourself into thinking a task you're doing for ministry or for work or for whatever is your own personal time with God.
Pastor Matt:Now that could be a part of it, but man, just having time where God can pour into you through Sabbath and all of these things.
Pastor Conway Edwards:It's it's it's steady of taste and see that the Lord is good. It's just you're with the joy of what you get to do, which leads us into the last section, which is the joy of your salvation. David, you remember in Psalm fifty one, one of the reasons he went for Bathsheba, made Uriah get killed in battle, all of that. In the in Psalm 51, he never mentions any of the things. But what he mentions is what he was told to me, the joy of my salvation.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Because if you really are enjoying the sweetness of the joy of your salvation, then the things that trap you to sin Yeah. Won't be as attractive. It is because the joy have become stale, which then leads you to other things. Now in ministry, that changes. In ministries, well, the joy of, getting more money will be the thing that lure you away.
Pastor Conway Edwards:The joy of making sure your kids are perfect will be the thing that lure you away. And all I'm trying to suggest is, is that the one solid motivator should be, I don't ever want to give up on the joy that I have when I first got to know Jesus Christ as my personal lord and savior. And never making that become stale, never making that become normal, or never making sure I never take it for granted, and making sure that it is a joy that continues to refresh my heart. In the book of Isaiah, it says it this way. My people have committed sins.
Pastor Conway Edwards:They have they have forgotten. They have dug cisterns for themselves, broken cisterns that cannot hold water. And instead, that's what they've done, instead of enjoying the springs of living water. All he's saying is, why forfeit the joy that comes from Jesus for all these other temporary joys? If you're gonna stay in ministry a long time, if your volunteers are gonna do the same thing, then you've gotta always bring them back to the joy of your salvation.
Pastor Conway Edwards:What do you
Pastor Matt:That's so good. And in your show notes you'll receive, you're gonna have some diagnostic questions to just think through. Have I lost the joy of my salvation? Because when when that's gone, everything else is just a task. Mhmm.
Pastor Matt:And you really gotta evaluate that. You're gonna have questions of confession, jealousy, rhythm, vitality, solitude. We'll let you work through all these, but it's gonna really help you examine really the true heart behind why. What we said on the previous part was why, and it's gonna help you determine why you're really in it. And remember, it's all about salvation that we have in Christ and flowing out of that mission so that others can experience the same thing.
Pastor Conway Edwards:Because all of that refers to your root. And if your root structure is not good, you can't bear fruit. Let's make sure we're working on the root. Questions like, why have I, who have I confessed my private sins to lately? Questions like, when was the last time I actually cried over the mission?
Pastor Conway Edwards:Questions like, who am I secretly jealous of in ministry? Questions like, when was the last time I took a true Sabbath? That becomes questions that you should be reflecting on. And knowing that God can do more in six days than you can do in seven. Andy?
Pastor Matt:That's good. I think I think our listeners have some homework to do. Yep.
Pastor Conway Edwards:And so too.
Pastor Matt:Think you've got some homework you've got in our show notes? You'll be able to download a handout that'll go through all of this. You can work through it with your team. You can work through it with yourself. But we really want we want you we want you to make it in ministry.
Pastor Matt:We want you to make it in leadership, and it's gonna it's gonna go forward with with doing the internal fervor to have an external impact. Now there's gonna be other handouts they can access, I'm sure, but you'll be be able to see all those in the show notes.
Pastor Conway Edwards:So And then and then the next time we meet, you'll hear from Jada as she talks about how to deal with burnout in ministry, how to prevent it, and if you're there, how to recover from it. You don't wanna miss that episode as well. It should be fun.
Pastor Matt:It's gonna be good. Hey, thank you for joining us today. We're really grateful that you would take the time to listen and to be a part of this. We'd love it if wherever you're listening from, if this helps you to leave a review or share this with someone. And we wanna just thank you.
Pastor Matt:We'll remind you the show notes are visit1cc.com/leadershiproundtable. We cannot wait to see you again next month. Thank you so much for joining the podcast today. It has been an honor to have you here with us. Now, just want to remind you that all of the resources we talked about today are available online at visit1cc.com/leadershiproundtable.
Pastor Matt:Now if this has been helpful, leave us a review, go out there and hit subscribe, and more importantly, this with your team so that everybody can grow. We can't wait to see you next time.