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What is Popcorn & Plot Holes?
Movies are fun! Movies are awesome! But movies can sometimes be very, very weird... or just plain terrible. In this intersection of fun, awesome, weird and terrible is where Matt, Luciano, Chris and Spencer live and thrive. They'll be watching the latest FACTS (Fantasy, Action, Comic, Thriller, Sci-Fi) movies available on streaming services and sharing their equally awesome, fun, weird and terrible thoughts on them. Welcome to Popcorn & Plot Holes!
Matt (00:00.278)
Hello and welcome back to popcorn and plot holes. We watch facts movies so you don't have to, I guess. I mean, this was a facts movie. You're right. I'm getting better. Every step of the day I'm improving. We watched Avatar and the way of water, AKA Avatar two. It is the, I don't know the.
Luciano (00:07.224)
Hahaha! La-
Chris (00:08.16)
Nice. That was smooth. That was smooth.
Spencer (00:08.876)
Heh.
Luciano (00:22.714)
Sam Wardington vehicle.
Matt (00:24.67)
Eddie Falco vehicle.
Chris (00:25.616)
Don't be sure.
Spencer (00:26.36)
Hehehehe
Chris (00:30.365)
the discount Vin Diesel vehicle.
Matt (00:32.322)
The Jack Champion vehicle, AKA Spider. I mean, let's call it what it is. It is James Cameron's passion project, sweet baby child project, money laundering business, that he is being very successful at money laundering with. This movie was very well received by the public. We're gonna talk about it, but I would like to introduce the three other people who are joining me on the show this week, starting with...
Chris (00:35.801)
Ugh, forehead McGee.
Chris (00:44.705)
money laundering.
Chris (00:52.048)
Hmm.
Matt (01:01.826)
First time, long time Spencer. Welcome back.
Spencer (01:04.19)
Hey, it's good to be back. It's good to see you boys. This is a big one.
Matt (01:10.39)
It was very long, yes. As always, Luciano.
Luciano (01:15.689)
UGH
Matt (01:18.462)
Yep, and then also joining us from parts unknown, undisclosed bunker location with a roof that was built in, as we've been told, 1915. Chris.
Chris (01:19.216)
Great. Yeah.
Chris (01:28.248)
1915. Yeah, yeah. Oh, this was a big one, alright. The kind that you try to flush, but it takes two more tries.
Matt (01:36.406)
I don't think you have to flush if you just poop it into the ocean, but I'm not an expert on the subject.
Chris (01:40.88)
There's only one place this movie...
Spencer (01:41.402)
I think you are.
Luciano (01:44.241)
Hahaha!
Matt (01:45.163)
Maybe I'm an expert on pooping. Let's dive into this movie. As we said, we watched Avatar the Way of the Water. Nice. That was intentional, probably. This is Avatar 2 for the rest of you folks. I believe 3 and 4 are already done and are just on their way.
Spencer (01:49.302)
Dive in.
Hehehe
Spencer (02:00.214)
Two of four.
Chris (02:00.453)
No! This four?
Luciano (02:01.565)
I'll believe it when I see it because this one took this one took what like fucking 15 years to come out
Matt (02:07.39)
Yeah, but apparently he filmed like two, three, and four altogether. Allegedly.
Luciano (02:12.069)
Why is there a 4 already? OK.
Chris (02:13.56)
Why is there a three and four?
Matt (02:15.274)
I don't know why you're asking these questions because no one on this podcast can answer them. That's why I ask the questions.
Spencer (02:20.962)
Has there ever been a franchise that's needed a sequel less than Avatar 1?
Matt (02:26.59)
Oh, I mean, yes, there's probably lots of them.
Luciano (02:28.05)
That's a good question.
Chris (02:30.96)
There's a lot.
Spencer (02:32.094)
It just seems like out of all the movies, like it was the... I remember everybody finding out that he was making like four avatars. They were like, what? They're like, why?
Luciano (02:39.446)
Why? Yeah, yeah. I certainly was. I was like, why? He doesn't need one.
Matt (02:40.694)
That's...
That's the problem, right? That's the problem. It's not that he made one sequel, is that he went right away to make four. So we'll see how that turns out. Let's start with the Way of the Water, Avatar 2. Let's be positive to start and we'll see where we go from there. What did you like about the Way of the Water?
Spencer (02:45.462)
man
Chris (02:48.176)
Yeah, he's dying on this hill my friends
Luciano (02:49.976)
Yeah.
Spencer (02:52.074)
Hehehe
Spencer (03:02.088)
It's pretty.
Chris (03:03.844)
Very pretty. I liked how Big Spider's forehead was.
Luciano (03:04.871)
It's pretty.
Spencer (03:09.691)
Okay, that poor child.
Matt (03:09.898)
Wow, okay, you just had to get it out there quick.
Luciano (03:11.694)
That's uh, yeah, wow. Wow.
Chris (03:13.324)
You damn right. I gotta shoot, I gotta swing for the fences while I can. Home run derby.
Spencer (03:19.071)
Watch this movie feels like putting Vizin in. It's like refreshing on your eyeball because it's so bright and the water simulation's so good. It's a pretty.
Chris (03:30.325)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (03:32.994)
I got to say though, in 2006 it was much more impressive and also watching it in 3D was like, there was the first one where you were like, okay, now I understand what 3D is for, but.
Spencer (03:40.264)
Yeah.
Spencer (03:47.574)
Did you guys, you guys did not watch this one in three? We should put that.
Luciano (03:54.434)
Mic again. Yeah.
Matt (03:54.858)
Your microphone cut up, bro.
Spencer (03:57.642)
Really?
Matt (03:58.454)
And you also put the microphone right back to your mouth like you said you weren't going to do. Just put the thing back on or you lose it.
Luciano (04:05.91)
Of course you don't.
Spencer (04:12.386)
You think that's what...
Matt (04:14.378)
Well, I don't know, but every other time you held the mic, you never like electrically shorted it out essentially.
Luciano (04:21.026)
Yeah, that's what it sounds like, it's like, kind of fizzles.
Chris (04:23.09)
It makes me wonder, although it's 100% part of your setup, Spencer, I wonder if your cord or your device is paying the price.
Matt (04:38.538)
I mean, it might keep your face away from it.
Luciano (04:38.838)
If it's, yeah, I was gonna say if it's gonna keep your face away from the microphone, it might help.
Chris (04:46.916)
need a boom of some sort. I'm sorry to say it but hopefully.
Spencer (04:49.843)
Keep this all in. This is gold.
Matt (04:52.438)
This is the best kind of podcasting.
Luciano (04:55.47)
Are you gonna leave it in? A blooper.
Matt (04:57.574)
I doubt it, this is bad. The worst part is just the silence and listening to like whatever Spencer's doing. Like we know what he's doing, but just a little. Do-do-do-do-do-do-do. So, I mean, yeah, so far, we'll see when you break it. Let's go back to Luciano just said his negative nonsense about it not looking good 3D. Spencer, ask your question about did we watch this in 3D, right?
Spencer (04:58.08)
No.
Luciano (05:08.152)
Yeah, yeah.
Spencer (05:08.97)
How about now? Is that better?
Spencer (05:21.765)
Oh, oh yeah.
Chris (05:23.02)
In theater, yeah, or something. He said theater 3D or something.
Spencer (05:31.222)
So we should put it out there. I watched this in IMAX 3D when it came out, but you guys did not, right? You didn't see it in theater?
Luciano (05:39.754)
No, I watched it yesterday.
Chris (05:40.428)
No, I saw it at home. I watched that at home in full confidence that it would be as good as Avatar 1 with and without 3D. Like Avatar 1 was still solid as gold without 3D, but I think I loved it. I liked it. It was great. It stood up. Yes, yes. No.
Luciano (05:58.778)
Was it?
Spencer (06:00.03)
Was it though?
Luciano (06:02.086)
Was it though?
Matt (06:03.978)
Great, so then you like this movie. I don't see, they're the same movie. I don't know why you didn't like it.
Spencer (06:08.578)
There, there.
Chris (06:09.284)
Same movie, bro? Come on, bro. Come on, cuz.
Spencer (06:12.677)
It is the same movie.
Matt (06:13.856)
I think you're...
Luciano (06:14.444)
I have to say I actually like this movie better than the first one. I do.
Matt (06:17.346)
Wow. I think Chris is looking back with like rose colored glasses. Nostalgia is making Avatar better than it was. Oh, thank you. Yeah. Mm hmm. Um.
Chris (06:17.397)
You son of a-
Luciano (06:22.25)
Yeah, blue colored glasses in this case.
Chris (06:25.188)
I'll take them. I'll take those.
Spencer (06:28.126)
Yeah, Avatar's movies are weird where they're like, the most popular movies of all time, yet they feel like they have no influence on our zeitgeist, if that makes sense. You know what I mean? It's like they come and go and make like a billion dollars and it seems like.
Luciano (06:37.264)
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
Luciano (06:41.572)
They come out and people talk about Navi for two months and that's it.
Spencer (06:45.07)
Yeah, and it's just like, I'm like, who's seeing these movies? Because there's a lot of people I know that didn't see this. Apparently, everybody saw this movie and.
Luciano (06:51.873)
Yeah.
Matt (06:53.334)
How many times did you go Spencer?
Spencer (06:55.846)
I went the standard nine times, which is mandatory. No, I saw it one time because I'm not a maniac. And it's fucking three hours, like 15 minutes, one time was enough.
Matt (06:58.686)
Hehehehe
Luciano (06:58.734)
Hahaha
Chris (07:00.206)
Really though.
Matt (07:10.438)
What, it's like when the original Avatar, it was like what, early 2000s?
Luciano (07:14.662)
2006 I think. Nine, not six? I thought it was nine. Okay.
Chris (07:14.96)
2009? Yeah, it was nine. I remember that year.
Spencer (07:15.042)
I think it was 2009.
Matt (07:17.274)
Right, nine. That seems later than I think. Okay, so it's like 15 years ago, and I will give a little on inflation on the, so saying you earned a billion dollars at the box office with inflation, that's a bit easier, but I still, like that avatar was a phenomena when it came out, right? The original. 100%.
Chris (07:23.161)
Yeah.
Chris (07:34.96)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer (07:35.732)
Yeah.
Luciano (07:36.071)
And it's because of the 3D. That was mainly what... yeah.
Spencer (07:38.442)
But it also quickly seemed to be forgotten. I don't know.
Chris (07:39.64)
the tech... it's going.
Matt (07:43.07)
No, but like, it's theater run, it was a phenomenon, so I understand why it eclipsed as much money as it did. But yeah, then we all forgot about it when it left the theater. But like, I just don't understand why people went to this one because it didn't have the, where people were just really worried about not going to theater, and so they just, I need anything, like, fuck me up, daddy.
Luciano (07:43.154)
Yes.
Spencer (07:46.143)
Yes.
Chris (07:59.952)
Good question.
Luciano (08:02.926)
Well, yeah, I mean, I'm sure. Yeah. That's what James Cameron said. We're going to put this movie out 15 years later and people are going to say, fuck me daddy, I'm just going to go. That's that was the pitch to the studio.
Spencer (08:03.156)
That's what we said.
Chris (08:05.326)
Yes.
Spencer (08:13.251)
I'm just gonna go. In 2009 he said it'll be right after a worldwide pandemic and people are gonna want to go to the theaters. People said, what?
Matt (08:19.306)
Yep.
Luciano (08:20.709)
They're gonna watch whatever, whatever we put out they're gonna watch.
Chris (08:25.494)
Not me.
Spencer (08:25.578)
What a weird thing to say, James Cameron, as he holds a vial mysteriously.
Matt (08:29.693)
Chris you say not me, yet here you are having watched that movie, completely, talking about it. Daddy Cameron got you. He fucked you good.
Spencer (08:34.161)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (08:38.05)
Yeah, I did.
Chris (08:38.148)
You didn't get me. I did it for the cast. I did it for you all bros.
Spencer (08:38.383)
Yep. He always does.
Matt (08:42.146)
That's okay, but daddy still got those, daddy got those bucks, those fuck bucks. Ha ha ha.
Spencer (08:45.47)
Get those books. You got that buck bucks.
Luciano (08:45.986)
Yeah, I think it's, I think they, people like, it's like, this is a James Cameron movie, it's avatard, the other one was a woo, and then they went to see it just cause it's avatar.
Chris (08:47.692)
No, that's nasty. That's nasty. There was no fucking.
Matt (08:54.421)
Okay
Matt (09:03.414)
That's, you know what, this whole storyline is boring me. I don't care about it anymore. Let's move on from this. This movie is very much like this movie. It's very generic and I'm not here for it. Let's hope that something else is generic in the movie. I'm gonna pick a word from the word cloud here. Parenting. How was the parenting in this movie? The Sully Clan.
Luciano (09:07.166)
Oh, like the movie. Okay.
Chris (09:07.62)
Switch it up.
Chris (09:12.069)
There you go.
Chris (09:17.368)
Ooh, parenting.
Luciano (09:18.514)
Oh, no. It's not not. It's not just shit. It's like, like James Cameron knows one way of doing it. And he did it for every single fucking parent in this movie. Not only is it bad parenting, but it's cloned bad parenting.
Chris (09:21.851)
This movie, this- I have a new title- Yeah.
Chris (09:37.104)
It's endangerment.
Luciano (09:39.806)
It is, it is.
Spencer (09:40.911)
What are you gonna do call social services Pandora, baby
Matt (09:47.727)
Do you think they have a little like...
Chris (09:47.82)
You've reached Pandora Social Services at the sound of the tone. Please, oh sorry, our system has changed. At the sound of the tone, hang up. The sky people are coming.
Spencer (09:49.867)
Hehehe
Spencer (09:57.996)
Ha ha.
Luciano (09:58.244)
Yeah, something like that.
Matt (10:00.154)
I actually thought they would have on all the whaling ships, they'd have a little jet ski for social services and they'd just shoot them off to go help the kid.
Spencer (10:05.848)
Hehehe
Luciano (10:05.934)
hahahaha
Chris (10:07.449)
I can't talk to you right now! Ahhhh! Bro! Ahhhh! This is a great way! Ahhhh! Tiger OATD! Ahhhh!
Luciano (10:18.825)
What?
Spencer (10:20.911)
You heard what he said.
Luciano (10:21.826)
Just saying random New Zealander names.
Matt (10:24.566)
He said what he said, we'll get to that later. Yeah, it's, I mean, this is.
I don't know if this is Cameron's new calling card, but like his generic storytelling, like everything was generic, right? Everything was a vehicle to just show off how good Pandora looked and how like cool the ships were and how cool the world setting was. But his storyline was like, just like, oh, okay. Like you could write out what was gonna happen before it happened, right? Like, yeah. Yeah.
Chris (10:32.112)
parenting.
Luciano (10:43.531)
Yeah, yeah.
Luciano (10:50.646)
Yes. Yeah. Well, yeah, it's exactly. It's there just to justify. Yeah, it's like a demo reel. Yeah.
Spencer (10:50.722)
The story sucks, same as the first movie. They're just fuckin', the story's just fuckin' dressing for visual, for like a computer software demonstration.
Chris (10:52.992)
It was like Weetabix. It was fucking...
Yeah.
Chris (11:03.808)
It's a demo. It's a demo of their of his new. That's why he's making four movies because he wants to take on. He wants to take on a on real time. Yeah. Unreal and real time software, bro.
Spencer (11:04.694)
Wait, is it?
Matt (11:12.256)
Unreal?
Luciano (11:16.01)
Also, he's going to do one for each engine of Unreal. So like when Unreal 6 comes out, he's going to make another one? OK.
Matt (11:16.064)
Amen.
Chris (11:19.409)
Yep.
Yep, code name Titanic.
Matt (11:25.11)
Hey, Unity bought Weta, maybe Unity will buy his company after he's runnin' into the ground. Or maybe Unity will runnin' into the ground. Ha ha ha.
Luciano (11:29.176)
Oh no.
Chris (11:31.224)
No one will let Unity do anything.
Spencer (11:31.362)
Shut up, you nerds. Nobody knows what you're talking about. The audience is saying, who are these nerds? I'm saying these movies make me sad because it makes me think of all the movies we could have been getting from James Cameron that are much cooler, like Titanic 2, Iceberg, Juggaloo.
Luciano (11:35.138)
Yeah, yeah we do.
Luciano (11:39.466)
Who is the audience?
Chris (11:40.612)
The gamers are the gamers.
Luciano (11:49.858)
Yeah. No, but like... Jesus. I would watch... Listen, I would watch a Titanic 2 if everybody was undead in it. I would go watch that movie.
Chris (11:50.453)
Like Titanic 2?
Matt (11:58.463)
What you're saying is...
Chris (11:58.566)
What's up, baby?
Spencer (12:04.442)
Ha ha!
Chris (12:04.814)
UGH
Matt (12:06.728)
What if they drop the Terminator on Pandora?
Luciano (12:10.25)
I'd like that too.
Spencer (12:10.334)
Now that's a movie. Well, that's the sad thing too, is you see all the army tech in this movie and it looks so cool. And you're like, this is just alien. You know, like this is all the tech from the alien franchise, like aliens, the one James Cameron directed. It's like all looks the same design, not the H.R. Giger stuff. The military stuff in aliens is the exact same style.
Chris (12:10.37)
Okay.
Chris (12:25.544)
Okay, I see HR mm-hmm similar The mechs the mech stuff. Yeah, the XO robot type stuff
Luciano (12:25.905)
Yeah, yeah.
Matt (12:33.493)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer (12:36.666)
Yeah, and I'm just like, man, if there was a big budget alien movie made by James Cameron, like that would be so fucking cool. Like imagine this kind of visuals would rate it R.
Chris (12:41.252)
That would be fine. I'd be fine for it. Right.
Luciano (12:43.326)
I mean, this is a big budget movie about aliens that James Cameron made.
Spencer (12:49.25)
Yeah, but it's the worst version of it.
Matt (12:49.494)
Yeah, what do you want?
Chris (12:52.712)
But this is on the Barney, I love you, you love me tier.
Spencer (12:56.286)
If somebody told you, like, in 2008, that James Cameron's gonna make a franchise, it's gonna be about aliens, it's gonna cost a billion dollars to make, it's gonna make two billion dollars, you'd be so hyped, and that movie in your head would be so much cooler than the movie that he made.
Luciano (12:56.621)
Yeah.
Luciano (13:04.278)
Are you, you would be so excited. Yeah.
is so much better. Yeah.
Chris (13:13.356)
You're saying you're and when you say alien, you're talking you're talking like acid blood Predator style like scorpion tail aliens not Navi aliens, right?
Luciano (13:19.458)
Yeah!
Spencer (13:24.714)
Not peace, dude. Yeah.
Matt (13:24.908)
What?
Luciano (13:25.058)
Well, you didn't know in 2008 you wouldn't have known.
Chris (13:28.121)
I, well, what he-
Matt (13:28.674)
Why did you invoke the predator when talking about, we don't mix those things. You know, that movies aren't good.
Chris (13:31.712)
I'm not saying... Listen, listen, listen. I'm trying to... Xenomorph? Is that a better term? I was trying to get there. So you're saying if James Cameron had taken on... taken the reins, helped like... carried the torch of a Xenomorph themed movie...
Luciano (13:31.769)
Hahaha!
Matt (13:37.506)
There you go. Yep.
Luciano (13:37.739)
Yeah.
Spencer (13:37.766)
Xenomorphs, that is correct.
Luciano (13:44.51)
No, no, no. What he's saying, no, no. What he's saying is, if you heard in 2008, someone tell you James Cameron has a new franchise he's spinning up. It's about aliens in space with like a bunch of cool tech and all of that. It's gonna cost a billion dollars. It's gonna make a billion dollars each. You would be, yeah, you would be so stoked about that movie and then you get Avatar. Yeah.
Spencer (14:03.422)
to be the top-grossing movie ever.
Spencer (14:08.238)
Yeah, and then be so sad when you watched it, you know?
Chris (14:12.769)
Yeah.
Luciano (14:14.777)
Yeah.
Chris (14:15.608)
I liked the first Avatar, but based on that description, I would have, I think I was excited, but not over the moon.
Luciano (14:18.71)
I actually didn't. I was like, this is okay when I watched the first movie.
Spencer (14:22.814)
Listen, it's visually, when I saw Avatar 1 in theaters, it was an incredible experience. The 3D was really cool. But it's a hippie-dippie nature fucking Pocahontas movie.
Luciano (14:26.839)
Yeah.
But it was a demo reel.
Chris (14:33.764)
Pocahontas.
Luciano (14:34.89)
It's Pocahontas meets dances with wolves in space. That's what it is.
Spencer (14:38.634)
Yeah, and this movie was almost the same thing.
Chris (14:38.98)
Needs, yeah, space balls.
Luciano (14:44.199)
I wish it was as funny as Spaceballs.
Spencer (14:44.403)
Right?
Matt (14:46.214)
I mean, yeah it was.
Spencer (14:47.582)
Was this movie like a copy and paste of the ver- When they were like doing the riding of the whale thing, when he rides, when they go have to learn how to ride whales, I'm like, this is the exact same scene as them when they were learning the birds.
Luciano (14:50.251)
Not quite, not quite.
Matt (14:51.804)
No.
Matt (14:55.286)
Yeah.
Chris (14:56.208)
Free Willy.
Matt (14:57.834)
It was 15 years ago, no one remembers 15 years ago.
Spencer (15:00.41)
Unfortunately.
Luciano (15:00.954)
Well, not only does nobody remember, he didn't even like try to say, hey, this is this universe. Nope, just it goes right into it. Like you don't remember, fuck you, get on with the program. Thanks.
Matt (15:12.702)
No, they show like Jake Sully's kid being born and
Luciano (15:16.698)
So, so that's it. There's no preamble.
Spencer (15:17.079)
That is all. And they think they disregard a lot of the previous movie. They're just like, yeah, don't worry about it. Very true.
Matt (15:18.766)
stuff.
Matt (15:23.458)
That's because it's not important.
Luciano (15:26.166)
Yeah, well, as we've established, the story doesn't really matter, as long as they can use the story to show the graphics.
Chris (15:34.38)
and sell more software.
Spencer (15:34.386)
Yeah, yeah. I feel like the viewers are like, wait a minute. How did Sully get that body again? Boom explosion! Well, water effects!
Chris (15:42.729)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (15:43.014)
is so is there
Luciano (15:43.793)
Exactly.
Matt (15:48.49)
I don't wanna, you know, let's just fucking get off the map here. If, if, if James Cameron was to be put in jail for mysterious reasons.
Luciano (15:51.75)
Okay.
Spencer (16:00.406)
Plagiarism?
Chris (16:00.784)
Mm-hmm. Hmm.
Luciano (16:02.539)
Yeah?
Matt (16:02.998)
You know, I like this plagiarism. Who... Who do you... Nah, not Sloth. Plagiarism works for the question. He plagiarized all of all of Avatar from somebody. Who do you want that somebody to be so they can come in and make an Avatar 3 that you're gonna love?
Chris (16:05.936)
Sloth.
Sloth. Fine.
Yes. Ah.
Luciano (16:22.09)
Oh, I see what you mean. I was gonna say Ridley Scott. Although Ridley Scott lately.
Chris (16:22.898)
So Ridley Scott is one.
Spencer (16:26.134)
Denise Villeneuve.
Matt (16:26.366)
I mean, stop it. I think you got to stop picking these old guys because they're not. Oh, yeah.
Spencer (16:31.422)
No, I said, Denise Villeneuve. The guy directed Dune.
Chris (16:35.332)
Dune.
Luciano (16:35.682)
Why are you saying his name weird? Villeneuve
Spencer (16:37.654)
Because I don't know how to say his name.
Matt (16:38.027)
Is that s-
Chris (16:39.876)
Hahaha!
Spencer (16:41.074)
No, it's not Villeneuve. Villeneuve! Dennis, Dennis Villeneuve. No, that's wrong. Yes, thank you.
Luciano (16:42.858)
It's like a villaman! And he's like, what the fuck? What?
Matt (16:49.434)
Denny Villeneuve?
Chris (16:50.788)
Denis Poutier!
Luciano (16:52.823)
Ha!
Matt (16:52.966)
Wow What the shit dude Okay, so Chris picked the neapolitan to watch it we franchise
Spencer (16:53.814)
guys come on we're in Canada their second language for God's sake didn't he put in
Chris (17:01.732)
Don't jump down.
Luciano (17:03.007)
The nippoten.
Chris (17:06.141)
Don't shoot me. Spencer didn't even know how to say his name.
Luciano (17:08.17)
It would be the knee, the knee put tons. Uh, avatar would just be in Canada at that point. It would be quick. It wouldn't be way of water. It would be way of Quebec.
Matt (17:15.499)
Yeah, that's fair.
Chris (17:18.2)
Wait, how did you get to avatars in Canada? This is interesting. Wait a minute, okay, cool, okay. Okay, so we wanna know which witnesses would we call to the stand, who would prosecution call to the stand based on that? Dig it. Yeah.
Spencer (17:19.23)
Way of gravy.
Matt (17:22.754)
Denis Poutine would put it in Canada, obviously. We've just established this.
Luciano (17:24.481)
Yeah.
Matt (17:30.958)
We are way too far off. I just want to know who he plagiarized from. I wonder who the director you want to see in charge of Avatar 3 is to make it a good movie. I was trying to fucking segue shit, but I confused you. That's on me.
Spencer (17:32.598)
What the fuck?
Luciano (17:33.847)
Huh.
Chris (17:37.616)
Oh, oh to make it good, okay nevermind, that's even better. Sorry, I was trying to get back on track and understand you, sorry.
Spencer (17:40.958)
Honestly, the worst thing you could do for this movie is get a different director. The only reason why this movie is any one thing what it is it's James fucking Cameron and he makes great movies. You need a new writer, writer.
Luciano (17:45.254)
I'm sorry.
Chris (17:47.697)
No!
No.
Luciano (17:51.759)
AHHHHH
Matt (17:54.086)
No. James Cameron will never let you have a writer. James Cameron will not do that. So you have to get rid of him. Yeah. Kill James Cameron. Marry Denis Villeneuve. Fuck Denis Putin.
Chris (17:55.309)
You need more than that.
Spencer (17:56.998)
I know, but James Cameron makes spectacle.
Chris (17:58.988)
So we need to kill James Cameron, give him a terrible, terrible death. Yes.
Luciano (18:05.094)
Jesus Christ.
Chris (18:07.744)
Yes. There you go. Ha ha ha. Fuck Miracle.
Spencer (18:07.842)
Okay. Ha ha ha. But no, no. Kill James Cameron, marry Denis Villeneuve, eat Denis Boutin. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha.
Luciano (18:09.806)
Yes, yeah, that's the only right answer, yes.
Matt (18:18.658)
Hehehehe I said what I said what I said
Chris (18:19.28)
Ha ha!
Luciano (18:19.61)
Same same, same really.
Chris (18:24.159)
Oh my god, oh my god, this I feel so much better about life now Denis Poutine
Luciano (18:29.551)
I don't know who I would put in his place like to so would it have to be the same person?
Spencer (18:31.998)
You can't replace James Cameron.
Chris (18:33.816)
Yes you can. John Woo!
Matt (18:34.83)
Just answer the question you fucking coward. That's fine, honestly.
Spencer (18:38.103)
I already did answer.
Luciano (18:39.16)
Jot as he was like, oh you're picking all of these old guys John Woo Yeah
Chris (18:45.316)
Chad's, the director from John Wick, Chad Stolesky?
Matt (18:49.886)
Yeah, I wouldn't go, that's fine. I wouldn't go so action-y, but I like where you're headed.
Chris (18:51.616)
I'm here for that. That's newer. He's younger. It doesn't have to be.
Spencer (18:54.978)
Christopher Nolan.
Luciano (18:55.318)
What? Oh, no, not Christopher. Fuck you, Christopher Nolan. What is, uh, what is the Batman's director's name? I don't remember his name. No, idiot. Matt Reeves, Matt Reeves. Matt Reeves would be good. Yeah.
Spencer (18:59.07)
I'm just naming top directors.
Chris (18:59.071)
Quiz For Who.
Matt (19:00.746)
Yeah, stop doing that. Think for God's sakes.
Chris (19:05.292)
Which, oh, Matt Reeve, Matt Reeve. Yeah. Huh.
Spencer (19:05.494)
Christopher Nolan.
Matt (19:09.466)
Matt Reed. Yeah. Spencer's not wrong, but he's wrong.
Spencer (19:11.294)
You did plan of the apes.
Chris (19:14.384)
See, Matt Reeves... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt Reeves, Planet of the Apes, is instantly better than Avatar 2. Like, he could handle it. It's the same fucking genre.
Luciano (19:14.902)
No, I said THE Batman, not Batman Begins.
Matt (19:16.743)
Yeah.
Spencer (19:20.381)
The Chris for Nolan.
Matt (19:28.776)
Sci-fi.
Spencer (19:29.507)
What? Okay, this- we've got off the rails already.
Luciano (19:30.439)
I mean, yes. What rails? There were no rails to begin with.
Matt (19:31.682)
Always.
Chris (19:32.832)
It's not off the rails!
Where we're going, we don't need rails.
Matt (19:37.034)
Hey, that's right, we don't.
Spencer (19:39.123)
I'm just saying guys, you put this shit ass story with any other director, it's not making a billion fucking dollars.
Luciano (19:44.282)
But that's the thing, you don't have to have a shit-ass story.
Matt (19:44.414)
I know, but that's the thing. You give a director the ability to get a story in place. Like the director... No, but... God, Spencer, why are you taking Luciano's role in this podcast?
Spencer (19:51.83)
Directors don't write the movie.
Chris (19:54.098)
Yep. We know it's a clean slate. It's a clean slate.
Spencer (19:57.178)
Let me... Hehehehehehe Okay You know what? You know what? Hehehehehehe Listen You cut me deep there You said things you can never take back And uh, we're gonna move on And I'm gonna, I hear you I'll be better
Luciano (19:57.842)
What? Why? I was gonna say, why are you being me? I literally was gonna say that. That's my job. I can, but it's gonna be funny for me and sad for everybody else.
Chris (20:01.531)
Yeah
Matt (20:03.082)
Now we have to rely on Luciano to be funny and I don't know how that's gonna go for anybody.
Chris (20:05.284)
He's cloning you! He's trying to take your-
Oh my god. He's trying to steal your brain to take your knowledge.
Matt (20:11.506)
Yeah. Stay in your lane.
Ha ha.
Chris (20:19.513)
What's happening?
Matt (20:22.826)
Moving on to this movie, we watched 3 hours of Avatar 2. This movie... I have to say it, and I don't care if I sound old.
Luciano (20:26.202)
We did.
Chris (20:26.288)
This is what it does to you.
Matt (20:35.134)
I don't understand why this movie was three hours. It was, it felt like a waste of my time at points. And that's not just cause this, it's not that the story was bad. The story is bad, but you can still tell that generic story in less time. And I feel better about what I just watched. Like they just seem to drag things out or make things that
Luciano (20:37.004)
Yeah.
Luciano (20:41.098)
It also felt longer than three hours.
Chris (20:42.381)
Yes.
Chris (20:46.49)
Yes.
Luciano (20:54.759)
Yeah, there were many scenes and many sort of like subplot points that they extended for no reason. Like the whole...
Matt (21:01.838)
Do you feel like that's a, that's a root cause of making three movies at the same time? You setting up all these future threads that we don't care about because we haven't seen Avatar 3 to 29? I don't know.
Luciano (21:11.286)
Is it, is that what it is? Cause I can think of at least two or three like scenes where I was like, why is the scene still going 10 minutes in?
Matt (21:18.73)
Why is fucking teenage Sigourney Weaver like not allowed to plug into the water tree?
Luciano (21:24.442)
For two seconds, for two seconds. And then she does anyway. Yeah, there you go. Now, why did we need to... What? No docking, no docking with the tree. Stop docking with the trees, yeah. Why did we need to watch that whole like, Loac getting almost eaten for like a good five minutes? And then...
Chris (21:25.129)
The water tree, the sacred, yeah.
Spencer (21:26.878)
Never never fuck the tree never fuck the tree rule number one Don't put your don't put your penis hair in the penis tree
Matt (21:29.07)
Hahaha
Chris (21:36.554)
Mm-hmm. Hmm.
Matt (21:38.309)
Spencer's back everybody. It's five.
Luciano (21:52.514)
that whole fucking scene that long with the talcum and then the whole thing with him coming back they didn't need to be that scene was 15 minutes long it didn't need to be hahahaha
Matt (22:00.858)
I don't even know what you just said. I have no idea who those people are. Does that happen in this movie?
Spencer (22:03.382)
Fifth. Ha ha ha. Wait, were those real words? Were those words in the movie?
Chris (22:04.964)
See? This is what happens. That's what happens.
Luciano (22:10.624)
Yeah, some of them are.
Chris (22:12.6)
With a product demo this long, one has to wonder, like, was this, was this, I think they were, they could have split these releases out a little bit more, like pace yourself, Cameron Camp.
Spencer (22:15.192)
Yeah, yeah.
Luciano (22:24.962)
No, they should have taken a bunch of shit off that didn't need to be there.
Chris (22:28.104)
I'm talking like listen, I'm not serious. I'm not serious
Spencer (22:28.222)
No, a lot of these scenes feel like, like them smelling their own farts in terms of like indulging to like the beauty of the, they're like, we're gonna hold on this shot of them in the water for 18 minutes. And it's like, listen, I love underwater shit. I really do. That was like why I wanted to watch this movie. I love underwater movies. And I love the diving scenes. Even I was like, okay, we get it. It's the ocean.
Luciano (22:35.204)
Yeah.
Chris (22:35.438)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (22:42.476)
Mmm.
Chris (22:45.744)
Mmm. Yeah. I like those diving scenes, yeah.
Luciano (22:55.288)
I... uh... we were talking about things we liked and I actually never ended up saying something that I liked. I was gonna say I like the design of the sea clan. Of course! Have you fucking met me?
Matt (23:00.626)
You went right to the negative. It was fucking three minutes in and you trashed this movie. I tried.
Chris (23:02.148)
Hehehe
Spencer (23:04.066)
I'm not a man!
Chris (23:05.552)
But yo, but yo, we literally had a scene where Kiri was staring underwater at sand!
Luciano (23:11.53)
Yeah, that scene that scene
Spencer (23:11.594)
Hehehehehehe
Chris (23:14.416)
She was fucking... That's okay, let me finish, let me finish. She had that scene and the other where she was essentially high under the water looking around. She had taken C, PCP, and then just stared at shit.
Luciano (23:21.784)
Yeah.
So you know what that scene looks like? You know when you go to like a TV store and they have the demos going, that looks exactly like that. Just like, what are they showing? Oh, it's just water and sand. Oh, it looks so pretty. Well, no, it doesn't. It's fucking water and sand.
Chris (23:32.396)
Yeah. Ha ha ha. Ah. Oh.
Spencer (23:32.816)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Chris (23:41.653)
Ho ho ho.
Spencer (23:43.59)
She was high on LSC.
Chris (23:46.608)
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Luciano (23:46.886)
Eyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Matt (23:47.179)
No.
Luciano (23:52.438)
I don't know what the fuck that was.
Spencer (23:52.513)
Thank you. It was my walkout music. It's my comedy act. Oh, thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Spencer!
Chris (23:54.096)
Don't worry about it.
Luciano (23:56.71)
Ha!
Luciano (24:00.942)
Yeah. I don't I don't like a lot of the runtime on this movie. I think it's just they went into like Spencer said, this is like, look how good this looks. Isn't it amazing? I'm going to extend this stupid shot of underwater fish. Algy, whatever the fuck for five minutes just because it looks so cool and it serves no purpose.
Spencer (24:22.846)
I did like the water stuff, like it looks great. For some reason, I didn't love all the designs of the animals, I find them kind of cartoony sometimes. Like I wish there were like the whales and the stuff all looked a little more realistic.
Luciano (24:24.983)
Yeah, yeah, it looks, it looks good.
Matt (24:25.922)
Sure. Yeah.
Chris (24:30.895)
Interesting.
Chris (24:35.408)
When you think of the proportion of all the stuff in the sea that they showed, or rather just everything that they showed, thinking about the story, they go from forest to like to join a sea tribe, I was shocked when the tribe, the chief, the water people chief's daughter finally took the kids to the water tree. I was like, oh shit, they have a sacred place too. Like we needed that so much sooner.
Spencer (25:04.482)
Did that happen in the movie? This movie's too long. It's too long.
Luciano (25:04.526)
What? What, you're dead. Did you watch this movie?
Matt (25:05.674)
Yeah, that's what Kiri plugs into. Did you? Oh my God, that's fair.
Chris (25:05.932)
Yes, see?
Chris (25:12.024)
It's so long.
Luciano (25:12.086)
Yeah, but also so we yes, we needed that but also lazy much. Right. It's like, yeah, well, yeah, it's
Chris (25:17.774)
Yes.
Spencer (25:19.071)
the same premise.
Chris (25:20.464)
Yeah, true. And they did it worse.
Spencer (25:23.398)
No, like literally the first movie is like him going to this world and learning the culture of the Navi. And then this is him leaving their comfortable world of the forest Navi to go learn the culture of the sea Navi. And it's like-
Luciano (25:25.235)
I don't think it's worse.
Chris (25:29.433)
Yes.
Luciano (25:29.548)
Yeah.
Luciano (25:33.878)
and learning the C-navi. Yeah.
Chris (25:34.018)
Uh-huh.
so you know what's next.
Matt (25:37.09)
Hey, can we not call him the seat navi because it gets really close to Nazi all of a sudden. Yeah.
Luciano (25:40.61)
See Nazi? Yeah.
Chris (25:42.028)
No, he said sea-navi. It rolls off the Putsin tongue.
Spencer (25:42.102)
See, it's... Yeah.
Matt (25:46.586)
And maybe it's just the way Spencer's enunciating Navi.
Luciano (25:47.018)
It's almost... Maybe we can call it...
Spencer (25:50.77)
Why can I say like see Navi see guys see Navi
Luciano (25:56.558)
Maybe we can call the C1's Navy.
Chris (25:59.537)
Ayyyyy, that works, that's a way.
Matt (25:59.716)
Okay, there we go, that's better.
Spencer (26:00.594)
We want blue skinned people!
Chris (26:03.707)
Hahaha!
Luciano (26:05.715)
Oh no, and Sal Spencer is back.
Matt (26:08.25)
Oh god, we've gone too far the other way.
Chris (26:09.18)
Oh So, you know what's gonna happen now like this is the earth wind and fire tour this so I so James Cameron is winning Me back. We've yep. Let me Fire Navi and then earth Navi like forest is Okay, so then but they were they were in air and their base camp was in the it was like floating mountains
Luciano (26:15.222)
Wait, so it's going to be the Fire Novel-
Spencer (26:18.815)
Yep.
Matt (26:21.254)
No, the forest is the earth.
Luciano (26:23.35)
Yeah, there's gonna be air. Air navi.
Spencer (26:23.494)
No, forest is the air because they fly. There's a lot of flying in it.
Matt (26:27.047)
All they did was
Luciano (26:29.462)
Oh, that's true. That is true.
Matt (26:30.638)
You are okay, so they're the air Navi you're right. They're the air Navi, so we need the earth Navi and the fire Navi
Luciano (26:33.164)
Yeah.
Chris (26:35.432)
Earth. Yeah, so then that's what I'm fucking saying. Shit. It's good. It's messed up. So someone needs to sue Cameron.
Luciano (26:36.406)
and then the Earth Navi are just gonna be dwarves. Ha ha ha.
Spencer (26:36.582)
And Jake is the Avatar?
Matt (26:41.29)
Wow. And then, and then yeah, Jake, Jake is going to combine their powers to become, uh, Captain Pandora. Yeah.
Spencer (26:41.758)
And is Jake Avatar?
Luciano (26:47.706)
Captain, Captain Navi.
Chris (26:49.22)
Captain Platt, Captain Nugget. Captain Ponvy.
Luciano (26:51.534)
Captain Pandora, yeah. Go Pandora, the power is yours. Ha ha ha.
Spencer (26:55.83)
Hehehe
Chris (26:56.9)
Oh my god, I love it and I hate it at the same time I love us for coming up with it But I hate them because that's what they're gonna do and they're gonna fuck it up They need to recast that I know who they need to do They need to fire Sam Worthington and hire Don Cheadle as the avatar
Spencer (27:04.618)
The next video is just...
Matt (27:11.823)
hahahaha
Spencer (27:11.927)
They're not gonna file- they're not gonna fire Sam Worthington.
Luciano (27:12.119)
Ha!
Chris (27:14.877)
EUROTREE! FUSS! EUROTREE! TREE TREE!
Matt (27:18.742)
This is the best audio podcast we've ever done.
Luciano (27:21.199)
Yeah.
Chris (27:21.604)
They don't need, they know, they felt it.
Spencer (27:22.703)
They're never gonna fire Sam Worthington because they're paying him $8 a movie. Because it's all he has.
Luciano (27:26.438)
Yeah, three feet, they're pretty, what? He got three feet and a Subway sandwich. That's fucking. Ha ha ha.
Matt (27:27.348)
This is true.
Chris (27:29.915)
You're right!
Spencer (27:33.394)
Honestly, I often think of the career of Sam Worthington. When you think about his career, imagine a guy with like, he's got nothing and then he gets into the biggest, but that's the thing, he has nothing. He becomes the biggest, in the biggest franchise of all time. Can't parlay that into a career. And then, now he has all of them.
Matt (27:33.757)
What's
Chris (27:36.158)
How much did... Why?
Luciano (27:40.27)
What do you mean career? What has he done other than the first avatar?
Luciano (27:52.26)
Yeah.
Matt (27:52.658)
No, that was the end of his career. His career was like, he had like a three year stretch where they put him in a whole bunch of movies. Terminator 3, or sorry, not Terminator 3, Terminator 4. What was the name of that one? It's the one, they go in the future. It's four. Yeah. Yeah, Judgment Day? That's what I thought too, but that seemed wrong.
Spencer (27:58.779)
They are bombed.
Chris (27:59.46)
Wrath Titans.
Luciano (28:02.809)
Oh, great movie to start with.
Luciano (28:08.444)
Even fucking better.
Spencer (28:11.046)
Yeah, it's the one with Christian Bale.
Luciano (28:11.446)
It's four. It's four. Yeah, judgment. Judgment Day.
Spencer (28:18.659)
No, Judgment Day is two, the most famous one. Fuck, growing up idiots.
Luciano (28:18.99)
Something like that. Oh yeah, that's right. What's the fourth one? Terminator, whatever. Terminator, Christian Bale yells at the assistant, whatever. Ha ha!
Matt (28:20.63)
Yeah, Terminator 2 is Judgment Day. That's why I was wrong.
Spencer (28:26.119)
Extinction?
Matt (28:27.146)
But back in black. Yeah.
Spencer (28:31.241)
Terminator back in black? Terminator 4, Machine Jiggaloo.
Luciano (28:32.443)
If it's not, if it's not, no it is. Ha ha ha! Back in black.
Matt (28:32.755)
Anyways
Chris (28:35.236)
His net worth, Worthington's net worth is $30 million. That's pretty good for such a bad career.
Spencer (28:42.53)
No, but imagine being that lucky though to be... ..
Matt (28:42.838)
That's actually bad. He's been in two Avatar movies. That was the only half of 30 million dollars.
Chris (28:45.068)
It's this bad. I know. He's the GOAT of shit.
Luciano (28:46.87)
Yeah, no, because like think about it. He he did he did Avatar one and then fucking nothing for 15 years. And now he did Avatar two and that's his career. Like, what the how the fuck does that happen?
Matt (28:59.522)
Well we know that's not true. Let's look them up.
Chris (29:00.804)
He's the Fabia. I've got it. I figured it out. And wrath. But check it.
Spencer (29:02.342)
He... He did Clash of Titans.
Luciano (29:04.499)
Oh great, amazing. Oh.
Spencer (29:06.546)
Hey Clash of Titan's got a sequel.
Luciano (29:09.186)
So, Avatar got a sequel to look at that turnout.
Chris (29:09.208)
I know what this guy, I know what Worthington is. I've cracked the code, I've cracked it, guys. I've cracked it. Sam Worthington is the Fabio of sci-fi.
Luciano (29:20.442)
How so?
Spencer (29:20.714)
What's Fabio the Fabio of? Modeling?
Matt (29:22.782)
Yeah. But wasn't he, wasn't he good at modeling? Oh, romance novel covers. That's where Fabio made his bank.
Chris (29:24.524)
Yes.
Luciano (29:26.374)
Yeah, I was gonna say, Fabio was good at modeling.
Spencer (29:26.583)
I don't, yeah, I don't understand this enough.
Chris (29:27.608)
No, no, no
Luciano (29:31.806)
Ah, there you go. But he doesn't even have that.
Matt (29:40.678)
Um, I will say this.
Luciano (29:40.726)
well he is as much a romance cover novel front as he is an actor, it's about the same.
Spencer (29:40.76)
He could be.
Chris (29:46.609)
Because...
Matt (29:49.299)
I will say that Sam Worthington was in Manhunt. And that was actually good. Yeah, it was the FBI thing.
Chris (29:52.344)
What is that? Was it? Okay.
Luciano (29:53.782)
Yeah, I haven't watched that. Oh, was he good in it?
Spencer (29:56.606)
Yeah, I did watch that. It was good. Yeah, he was good. He was solid.
Luciano (30:01.903)
Okay.
Matt (30:02.807)
He wasn't bad.
Spencer (30:03.722)
He's like, he's like white bread, you know, it's not a great meal.
Luciano (30:08.098)
Yeah, like a glass of warm water. That's what it is.
Chris (30:08.868)
But not the good white bread, not Italian.
Spencer (30:12.702)
Yeah, like he'll quench your thirst, but you're not going to enjoy your beverage.
Chris (30:16.58)
You're quenched?
Luciano (30:16.822)
Yeah. If you're thirsty, if you're parched.
Spencer (30:20.766)
But my point was, just imagine what a great, lucky career he has. He's like, can you think of another actor that's in nothing but is an, except for the biggest franchise of all time? I guess Mark Hamill.
Luciano (30:33.974)
Yeah, but Mark... Well, but then, and then he goes on to do other shit, so.
Chris (30:34.66)
How dare you put them in the same sentence?
Matt (30:37.218)
But here we are.
Spencer (30:40.414)
Maybe Sam Orrinton will become a great voice actor.
Chris (30:40.728)
Mark, survive.
Matt (30:41.974)
I mean, to be fair, Sam Wertherin has done other shit. It's just not worth, like we don't care. He was in Nine Bullets, he played Jack. He was in, it's a movie. He was in Transfusion, he was Ryan.
Luciano (30:46.266)
Good. Or famous. Yeah. What is nine bullets?
Spencer (30:51.507)
Hehehehehehe
Chris (30:52.46)
Jack, Jake, Ja.
Luciano (30:58.148)
Amazing. Are you? Wait. I can't tell you if you're making those up or if they're actually true.
Spencer (30:58.306)
He played Ryan.
Chris (31:02.359)
Keep going!
Matt (31:06.193)
He was in the Titan as Lieutenant Rick Jansen.
Luciano (31:08.91)
So look at this, so Matt is reading off of IMDB. I'm gonna do it too. So he was in Contagion and he played John. Can you tell me that's not true?
Spencer (31:09.259)
Rick? Rick!
Chris (31:09.709)
Say Rick James Rick
Spencer (31:18.514)
Yep.
Chris (31:18.64)
There are so many J's. Keep going.
Matt (31:22.127)
I can, because I'm looking at IMDB.
Luciano (31:25.71)
He was also in Cardboard Box and he played Bob. He plays, no, he plays Dr. Robert Sully. So there's like a little play on the name there.
Spencer (31:25.839)
He was in he was
No, that's a terrible name. That's a terrible fake movie.
Chris (31:31.302)
As jock and he plays he you know, he was jock he was jock
Chris (31:37.924)
Eh, eh, eh.
Spencer (31:39.89)
He was in no, he was in bullet hole. And he's any, any played Vince.
Matt (31:39.959)
Okay.
Matt (31:43.693)
That is, yeah.
Thank you. No, it wasn't true.
Luciano (31:46.662)
Is that true? I don't know if that's true or not! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Spencer (31:48.862)
That's a good movie. You didn't see bullet hole? That's cause I made it up you fuck!
Matt (31:54.014)
He was in...
Luciano (31:56.184)
Yeah, that's what I mean. I believed you when you said it.
Matt (31:58.174)
He was in love and distrust. He played miles.
Chris (32:03.824)
Did you know he was in? This is, okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Check it. I've got one. It's my turn, it's my turn. He was in Cake and he played Roy.
Spencer (32:04.49)
We don't know. This is a new game. Name... Can you spot the fake character and movie of Sam Worthington? Okay, you go, right?
Luciano (32:08.427)
Yeah, yeah, two truths in a lie.
Spencer (32:17.363)
I feel like that's true.
Luciano (32:19.484)
That might actually be true.
Spencer (32:22.01)
Yeah, I'm finally answer. Yeah.
Chris (32:23.492)
Final answer, Luciana.
Luciano (32:25.793)
It's not true.
Chris (32:27.36)
It's true. This is a great game. I love this game. Yeah. What about the Hunter's Prayer? And he played Lucas. It was real!
Spencer (32:28.359)
Oh, okay.
Luciano (32:30.292)
Oh my god, there's a movie name cake? What the fuck?
Spencer (32:38.246)
That's fake, I can tell by the way you're looking up at the sky. Hehehehe Sounds re- that's no way. No! Oh really? Oh you got me good.
Luciano (32:41.936)
Look... no that's not a white enough name.
Matt (32:45.594)
That was real. You're all fools. Yeah. How about he was in the TV show JAG and he played Dunsmore.
Luciano (32:47.633)
Oh my god.
Spencer (32:54.914)
Woohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoohoo
Luciano (32:54.966)
Of course he did. Of course he did. Of course. He was fucking inject for sure. Hehehehe
Chris (32:55.088)
I believe Jag, but was he Dunsmore? It, cause you could say real and fake. I'm gonna say fake.
Matt (33:04.81)
Of course he was in that. Of course Jag was real. Two episodes. No, Dunsmore. He was Dunsmore for two episodes in 2000. I don't even have to make up fake ones, they're all fake. I feel like...
Chris (33:06.764)
Jag was real, but I'm saying he was not in it, but okay.
Spencer (33:07.886)
What? He was...
Chris (33:11.376)
Okay, okay, I believe the show.
Spencer (33:15.89)
He was in uh... Forged? As Billington? Hahahaha I don't know why I said that I said come up with a normal name and I came up with Billington Hahahaha It's not a normal name at all
Chris (33:17.296)
I've got one. Okay, go, go. Uh-huh.
Luciano (33:17.551)
They sound fake. Okay. Yeah, okay. You oversold there. Ha ha ha. Yeah.
Matt (33:25.95)
It's just a little too far.
Chris (33:27.508)
No no no.
Chris (33:32.368)
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna, okay, so wait, so are we weighing in and saying that's fake? Okay, you go. Uh-huh.
Luciano (33:34.806)
Okay, I have one. He was in Hijacked, and he played Robert.
Spencer (33:44.516)
The f- the f- fake, fake. The um- the um- I screwed you.
Chris (33:44.632)
I'm gonna say fake.
Luciano (33:44.782)
The um, I think the um so kind of...
Matt (33:47.058)
It's it's fake. You're you're good at movie titles and you're also bad at names like Robert. Not even the last name like.
Luciano (33:52.001)
Yeah, I know, I know. No, why does he need one?
Spencer (33:52.085)
Cough cough
Cough
Chris (33:55.981)
LAMI
Um, he was in kidnapping Mr. Heineken and he played Willem.
Luciano (34:01.698)
What? Mr. Heineken? Is this a beer heist movie? No. Are you fucking kidding?
Spencer (34:03.971)
No, no, that's a- no it wasn't. Kidnapping Mr. Heineken?
Chris (34:06.74)
EW! 2015!
Chris (34:12.292)
6.1 stars! Willem Holleeder.
Spencer (34:14.276)
Oh my god.
Chris keeps throwing me off with these real ones.
Luciano (34:20.762)
How is a movie named Kidnapping Mr. Heineken exist? Like, how does it exist?
Matt (34:20.855)
How about...
Chris (34:26.544)
Okay, here's another one. This is gonna be a very hard one. This one's called, Gyaan, I'm alive!
Matt (34:27.81)
Yeah
Spencer (34:34.418)
on I'm alive?
Chris (34:35.688)
No, it's called GYAAAAN! This is GYAAAAN!
Matt (34:40.543)
I don't think that when they talk about the movie title they yell it, but I don't know.
Spencer (34:41.634)
When they talk about the police, they're like, yeah, I don't know what.
Luciano (34:43.7)
Yeah.
Chris (34:44.505)
IT'S COZ YAAA-
Matt (34:47.965)
I don't want to be here anymore.
Spencer (34:48.609)
Too far, you're done. I'm too scared to. Okay, it's dead. It's dead, we did it. Okay.
Chris (34:49.232)
Just guess if it's real or fake. Fuck you, it's real. It's 2013, I know.
Luciano (34:52.78)
It's real.
Matt (34:56.127)
It's a music video.
I have one more for you, let's see. Let's see. Echoes of eternity, and he plays Dr. Ethan Stone.
Luciano (35:00.715)
No, he killed himself Okay
Chris (35:02.4)
Uhhhhhhhhh
Luciano (35:10.595)
That sounds like real.
Spencer (35:10.878)
Yeah, fake. Yeah, it's Matt's fake. Ethan Stone.
Matt (35:12.814)
Spencer wins. That is fake. You finally won one. Moving on, let's talk about Avatar, The Way of the Water. That's a movie watched, allegedly. Fake. The Way of the Water, Jake Sully. Fake. Got him. Can we talk about, we talked so much about him, let's just talk about him in this movie. Not his acting, because whatever.
Chris (35:12.868)
You're smiling. Yeah, you're smiling. Yeah.
Luciano (35:14.008)
Is it fake?
Chris (35:21.38)
That's a good segment. We did good. That's pop. Ha ha ha.
Luciano (35:22.631)
That's fake! Wait. Hahahaha!
Spencer (35:25.186)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Luciano (35:30.15)
FAKE!
Chris (35:31.018)
Fake fake news. It's fake news. It's fake. Oh Podcasting
Matt (35:42.882)
Jake Sully, the character Jake Sully. Why Jake Sully? What Jake Sully? Who Jake Sully? When Jake Sully? Where Jake Sully?
Chris (35:43.085)
Fuck it. Okay. Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (35:49.312)
HAHAHAHA
Spencer (35:53.706)
You know what? I don't, listen, it's easy to hate on Jake Sully. And I will. No, no, no. I think Jake Sully is a good character for being a guy who's clearly a military dude, like a military loser dude. He's the kind of guy that, yeah, he gets the Navy SEAL tattoo on his arm and like, you know.
Chris (35:54.08)
Why Jay-Sew it?
Luciano (35:54.154)
Yeah. Why was the first one?
Chris (35:59.136)
Oh, it's very. Do it. We got you covered.
Matt (35:59.206)
Okay.
Luciano (36:01.544)
Hahaha!
Matt (36:13.083)
Jarhead.
Luciano (36:20.146)
misspelled like misspelled somehow.
Spencer (36:22.59)
Yeah, and like, and like posts like on Instagram being like, never forget our soldiers on like a non holiday of a soldier and, you know, being like,
Chris (36:22.64)
Hehehehe
Chris (36:27.472)
Uhhhhhh
Chris (36:31.696)
Look at my new assembly time, my ARR15 assembly, disassembly time, new PR.
Spencer (36:35.91)
Yeah, just ties everything in his identity back to military. You know, like he feels like that kind of guy. It'd be like Christmas and it'll be like, Merry Christmas, don't forget, we wouldn't have this blessed day without our soldiers. You know, hashtag.
Luciano (36:39.754)
Right, right.
Luciano (36:49.492)
The guy is fucking impossible during Veterans Day then. Yeah, yeah.
Spencer (36:53.154)
Oh yeah, exactly. Of course. And he's like, hashtag war on Christmas. But, like, I think he's a good, like, I see him as that, like the way they present him. And I don't, it kind of makes me feel like he's a real person in a good way. An unlikable character.
Chris (36:58.328)
Hehehehehehehehe Mmm
Luciano (37:11.822)
He's, okay, so the character as he is, I think he is a good audience surrogate, like for us. Or at least he was in the first movie.
Chris (37:12.448)
Is card is it so?
Chris (37:20.492)
No, no, he's not in this one. A father protects, it's what gives him meaning. Shut the fuck up, Jake, you a bad daddy! You're a bad daddy!
Matt (37:28.594)
No, but it's okay for him to be a bad dad. Like if you want one character to be a bad dad, it's the problem is that everybody is a bad parent.
Spencer (37:28.875)
He is a bad dad.
Luciano (37:33.399)
No... Yeah...
Chris (37:41.092)
Your logic holds, but it's worse for Jake Sully because not only is he the father of, he's the father of his unit, but then he's also supposed to be, until they leave, he's the chief of their tribe. So he's still a bad daddy times two.
Spencer (37:54.346)
He's bad at that too.
Luciano (37:56.066)
No, but he does, like, as a chief, Jesus Christ, as a chief, he seems to be doing a good job. And we're going to talk about it later. But like, the problem is he treats his kids as if they're like his unit, as you said. But then nothing happens.
Matt (37:57.91)
He's War Daddy.
Spencer (38:16.458)
Suck my unit.
Chris (38:16.656)
UNIT?
Luciano (38:20.214)
Not the unit in his pants, you perv! Ha ha ha! I didn't say his package. No. Ha ha ha! Survive!
Spencer (38:24.363)
Yeah, fuck my unit!
Chris (38:34.168)
We need to do that one for a mo- we need to do that movie one day, but anyways.
Luciano (38:36.994)
Yeah, but like, to Matt's point, like, all that he does is like talk to his kids as if they're soldiers, but then nothing happens. Like they fuck they fuck up all the time. And then the eldest son just takes the shit for the other one. And then, and then nothing happens.
Chris (38:46.82)
swing.
Yes?
Chris (38:53.242)
Yes?
Spencer (38:54.24)
And then he dies.
Chris (38:56.32)
Yeah, and there's more in there too. Every time the young one fucks up and he grabs him by the neck and looks at everybody else, it's like, don't worry, Tribe, I got this one. Cut to nothing happens, nothing.
Luciano (39:04.77)
I got this and nothing happens. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you go to the C tribe or the C clan and the parents are exactly the same with their kids.
Matt (39:16.415)
Oh yeah.
Spencer (39:16.45)
See clan?
Chris (39:18.384)
Gah ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Luciano (39:20.78)
Sea Clan? Sea Clan of the Blue Navi! Schnell! Achtung!
Chris (39:22.78)
Oh, oh, oh
Spencer (39:29.576)
I am a Sea Clan!
Spencer (39:42.038)
Patent pending. Yeah, I agree. The parenting is, it would be good if his arc was like when his son died, he realized that he shouldn't treat them like soldiers. You know, that would have been, yeah, he just upgraded. Now you're my, yeah. Congratulations son, you just got a promotion.
Matt (39:42.573)
Ha ha
Luciano (39:56.03)
I just moved the other kid to like, now you're your corporal son now.
Matt (40:02.734)
I'm sorry.
Chris (40:05.123)
This is terrible. I thought about this.
Matt (40:06.134)
This is... This is a Battlefield promotion, Lieutenant Corporal Son.
Spencer (40:08.322)
I'm gonna go.
Chris (40:10.744)
This is terrible. You guys are, you guys are right. You guys are right. I was thinking about what I was gonna talk about during this fucking, for tonight, right? And his fucking, I was incensed, so I thought about this, right? So anyways, his narrative line, a father protects, is still flawed, because when you think about that and hold it up to the movie, a father protects.
Luciano (40:11.839)
Lieutenant Corporal!
Matt (40:14.1)
the
Luciano (40:25.09)
Wait, you prepare for this? What the fuck?
Chris (40:39.632)
until you get your firstborn killed. And then you look at your secondborn and make sure you let them know that you love them and that you see them. And then you... Ha ha ha!
Spencer (40:45.77)
You're next. You see me, you see me boy? You next.
Chris (40:54.955)
AHHHHH!
Luciano (40:56.242)
Uh, is it? Huh? Hahahaha! Oh yeah. Okay. Now... Now, now you... See, now you killed Chris!
Chris (41:00.22)
This is the end of the podcast! END OF THE PODCAST! This is the end! This is the perfect ending! And this is what goes on! The fucking VHS cover! Ohhhh! Nice! Thank you Spencer! Thank you!
Spencer (41:03.364)
I'm sorry.
Luciano (41:11.712)
Now you killed him. Spencer murdered Chris now.
Matt (41:11.998)
Anyways, segue. Ha ha ha.
Spencer (41:18.779)
I did my hat.
Matt (41:19.774)
Let's talk about the female representation in this movie. We have returning characters. Well, people and or characters. It's not the same for everybody. Sigourney Weaver is back, but, and listen, someone's gotta explain this to me. She's back playing a teenage girl that, no, it is her, because they say in the movie, they gloss over it in the movie at least, that she was born
Chris (41:23.385)
Mmm.
Spencer (41:24.027)
No, boy.
Chris (41:26.816)
Returning? Characters?
Luciano (41:26.87)
Yes. Yeah.
Chris (41:33.184)
Oh, they did them dirty.
Chris (41:40.068)
Was that her? It sounded like her. I was like, why does she sound, what the fuck?
Luciano (41:40.202)
Yeah, it is her. It is her.
Matt (41:49.538)
from Sigourney Weaver's Avatar and it's like the fucking Jesus Immaculate Conception, no one knows how it happened. But when did that happen? Like that didn't happen in the last movie. No, it just was the thing in this movie.
Luciano (41:51.587)
Yeah.
Luciano (41:55.236)
Yeah.
Spencer (41:58.27)
Yeah, they didn't set that up at all.
Luciano (42:00.698)
They, yeah, it's super like of all the, of all the scenes they could have extended a little bit. Maybe the immaculate conception of, of no, that was literally like what, 30 seconds? Oh, she got, Grace's avatar got pregnant and we adopted her. That's literally all they say. Yeah.
Matt (42:10.126)
Just.
Chris (42:14.509)
It was terrible.
Chris (42:20.661)
Yeah.
Matt (42:21.514)
Yeah, I'm not even sure what's going on with Grace's avatar. Like, is Grace dead so she can't pilot her avatar? But they got it in a vat somewhere? So anyways, the point of the question is like, we're talking about the Fiva representation in the movie. So we have her, we have Zoey Saldana back as Naturi. We have, I'll have to look up IMDB, but we have the, is she the other clan lady?
Luciano (42:26.679)
I guess.
Chris (42:28.864)
I thought it was, I was so confused.
Spencer (42:30.722)
to cut in the bath.
Chris (42:33.456)
Sure, sure, sure.
Notary, yeah. Yeah.
Luciano (42:37.911)
Yeah.
Luciano (42:43.514)
Kate Winslet as... Yeah, yeah. I can understand you're not recognizing, I can understand you're not recognizing her for trying to put on some sort of an African accent, I guess, for no good reason.
Chris (42:45.272)
what? Oh the sea tribe? Okay.
Spencer (42:46.655)
Yes.
Matt (42:49.034)
Oh, it's Kate Winslet. What's it?
Spencer (42:50.902)
The C-Clan!
Chris (42:52.868)
UGH
Spencer (42:58.675)
Yes
Matt (42:58.778)
Oh, please, please never again, Kate. Um, Ronal is the name listed here on IMDB. So she is in this movie. Um, if we're going down this list of women in the movie, just to pick them up. Oh, Edie Falco is in this movie. I assume she's going to come up more in the next movies because she's the general. And yeah, that's fair. She's the general at the base. Um, and she's the one who sends out, um, courage to go and do his thing.
Luciano (43:05.499)
RONO. Yeah, RONO.
Spencer (43:18.126)
I wouldn't assume that.
Luciano (43:24.74)
Yeah.
The, oh, you mean the general who was torturing a child to kind of find...
Matt (43:33.386)
No, it's fine. It's his kid. He can do whatever he wants. That's the rules.
Chris (43:36.1)
Hmm.
Luciano (43:36.578)
It wasn't even him, it was her! He... Yeah! The general was torturing him! HAHAHAHAHAHA! Yeah.
Spencer (43:37.79)
No, it's Edie Falco is torturing him.
Matt (43:41.202)
Whatever, it's her kid, she can do whatever she wants, she's human, I don't know. Anyways, but like, I know, like, that was the female representation movie, and they had lots of, you know, it passes the Bechtel test in terms of, you know, they have lots to say and do, but none of it's meaningful. It's all very much like, hey, we have the boys fight the boys and the girls fight the girls, right? Like...
Spencer (43:43.496)
It's her soldiers kid. It's fine
Chris (43:47.397)
Hmm.
Luciano (44:02.527)
Yeah, I was gonna say.
Luciano (44:07.676)
Not really, it wasn't. I was... Yeah.
Spencer (44:08.962)
The girls don't... the girl just kills a bunch of guys.
Matt (44:09.29)
No, but it feels like that, right? Like that's how the movie is like, women are secondary, like the men are in charge, and like, nope, I was, so many times I was waiting for Atari to be like, hey, Jake, you're a fucking idiot. I'm gonna go handle this shit.
Luciano (44:25.662)
Yeah, yeah, I thought that was gonna happen a couple of times.
Spencer (44:26.038)
Yeah.
Spencer (44:30.23)
Well the whole first movie she's like really teaching him a lot and really like giving him all this like new insight into the world and really
Chris (44:33.328)
true.
Luciano (44:33.507)
Yeah.
Luciano (44:38.354)
And she's relegated to secondary hard in this movie.
Spencer (44:41.19)
Yeah, and in this she has no wise words, no takes about how to raise their kids. She just gets really angry or really sad.
Chris (44:46.136)
Nope.
Luciano (44:46.314)
No, she just, she just has weird yells.
Chris (44:50.912)
None. And ugly face, she rocked the ugly face several times. Yup. Yup, yup, yup. Yup. And replacing her role as ugly faced assassin, Zoe Saldana joins us again for.
Matt (44:53.294)
She's... she's just an assassin. An ugly-faced assassin.
Luciano (44:53.337)
Yeah.
Spencer (44:59.56)
That's her name. That's her title.
Luciano (45:00.708)
That's her name. That's her name in the business. The ugly faced assassin.
Luciano (45:09.146)
Yeah.
Spencer (45:11.394)
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Luciano (45:13.014)
They really, yeah, yeah. Gah, gah, gah. Yeah, I don't, yeah. It's like, they really did her dirty because she's an actually really interesting character, probably the best, the most interesting character in the first movie. And here it's just like, no, she's just gonna speak with a weird accent, even when she's speaking her native Navi. And she's just gonna either hiss or yell, or just, you know, be mad and sad. Like it's, I don't.
Chris (45:13.419)
Mm-hmm.
Chris (45:18.964)
Yeah, don't do it again. Don't do it.
Matt (45:24.802)
Sure.
Chris (45:26.968)
Yeah.
Chris (45:32.201)
Uh huh. Well...
Luciano (45:41.07)
I don't understand why James Cameron did this to her.
Chris (45:45.08)
James also, James wrote, edited, directed, and was principal photographer. He held all the fucking, he had all the infinity stones in this damn movie.
Luciano (45:55.022)
And shove them all up his own ass.
Matt (45:57.543)
Here's what I'm gonna say about this, and I'm not gonna let any of you respond to this because we're gonna segue into the plot hole. And there's only one because it's ginormous. It is a fucking plot pit. But what I'll say to this is, James Cameron is New Age George Lucas. He had one good idea, and he can make things look pretty. Do not let him write a story, because he'd just write up a bunch of racist tropes, and try to pass it by as good story.
Luciano (46:05.242)
Good luck.
Luciano (46:21.146)
THE ZEKLAN?!
Spencer (46:24.53)
Hehehehe... Zikran!
Luciano (46:25.706)
Z-Clan?!
Matt (46:26.902)
The Trade Federation ring of bells, anybody? Moving on to plot holes. No, no, no. We're past it, we're past it. They do, they're coming in the third movie. That's the Fire Clan, Earth Clan, it's the Earth Clan. Moving on, this plot hole, it's a big one. It is a plot pit. I don't even know if pit is big enough.
Luciano (46:28.718)
Oh, oh, no. Oh, I wonder if Avatar 3 is going to have a Trade Federation. OK.
Chris (46:28.976)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Luciano (46:49.686)
A void, a plot void. Yeah. Black crater. Yeah.
Chris (46:51.472)
Void. Hole. Crate crater? Is a crate, I don't know.
Matt (46:51.694)
Plot void, plot black hole.
Matt (46:56.667)
I think black hole is bigger than a crater, but you know, try it out.
Chris (46:58.824)
Oh, black hole.
Luciano (47:01.078)
I think a black hole is bigger than a crater. Matt, 2023.
Matt (47:08.982)
That's called letting someone down gently and staying their ideas stupid and wrong.
Spencer (47:13.509)
That really depends on how deep the crater is and how black the hole is.
Luciano (47:13.79)
Why would you do that?
Matt (47:15.862)
It does. That is fair. How many, how many K's are in your question Spencer?
Luciano (47:17.382)
Oh no! Oh no! Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! Pivot! Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Chris (47:18.18)
How black is the hole? How black?
Spencer (47:21.723)
Why you guys gotta make it weird?
Chris (47:23.716)
How black. How black. Ziklen!
Spencer (47:29.13)
Matt, go ahead.
Matt (47:29.47)
Moving on, plot hold, the question I have, really high level. The earth comes back to Pandora. The earth is, they are called the resource development administration. They have a general in charge. Don't worry about that. It's like the salvation army. It's fine.
Luciano (47:52.331)
In every other way that it isn't But it's
Matt (47:55.202)
Their plan, as is said to us when there's a little bit of exposition between Navi Quaritch and Edie Falco, is that the Earth is dying quote unquote. So they are here because they are trying to prepare the Pandora planet where humans can't breathe, but not important, for people from Earth to come live on. Then, so that's how we get Quaritch. Quaritch is then sent to stop the Jake Sully problem. Jake Sully moves away.
and they spend all their resources trying to find Jake Sully to kill him. And that is the entire plot of the movie.
Spencer (48:26.83)
Yeah, definitely the biggest plot hole in the movie. She says, we can't do what we want because Jake Sully keeps stopping us. We need you to get rid of Jake Sully. And then he says, okay. And then Jake Sully says, they won't stop hunting me. I'm leaving, thereby solving their problem. So where is the conflict? Yeah, exactly. I'm like.
Chris (48:27.993)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (48:40.374)
He gets rid of himself.
Luciano (48:46.956)
Yeah.
Chris (48:47.118)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (48:50.926)
Hehehehehehehehehehe
Matt (48:52.379)
Mission accomplished, Quarch.
Chris (48:54.615)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer (48:55.218)
Where, what's the problem here in general? Like I wonder if in the next, I wonder in the next movie, there's gonna like hard cut to where they were and it's just a Walmart. It's like the old tree of life is now like a McDonald's, Walmart, there's an Arby's.
Chris (48:58.5)
You're effective.
Luciano (49:09.135)
Like, oh.
Luciano (49:13.046)
There's a parking lot around it. Oh no, that's offensive. That, yeah, it's like, and like even beyond that, they're like, okay, so the earth is fucked. We have to move over here. So here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna send a bunch of ships and every single time one of those ships lands, it's going to fuck up like a three mile radius of this planet.
Chris (49:13.398)
Hehehe
Spencer (49:19.178)
Yeah, it's really gone bad.
Chris (49:21.433)
Mmm.
Chris (49:32.56)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (49:36.098)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (49:41.974)
Just hectares and hectares of like fucking green.
Chris (49:43.677)
Yeah, scorched.
Luciano (49:44.104)
Just, just fucking, just turn it into a fucking inferno.
Spencer (49:48.986)
We're gonna, we use nukes to stop our engines. We just nuke the ground to create resistance. That softens everything up.
Luciano (49:51.019)
Yeah.
Chris (49:51.448)
There you go.
Mm-hmm. Mm.
Luciano (49:54.846)
Yeah, they're like, so yeah, we are the resources in development administration, you know, but resources, you know, it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, into ash and scorched earth. Yeah. And like you said, Matt, okay, so I'm gonna go to this plant where we can't or this moon where we can't breathe. Where
Matt (49:55.999)
Yeah
Spencer (50:05.927)
Yeah, it's like an oxymoron. Resources development. They developed them into ash.
Chris (50:11.728)
Mmm.
Luciano (50:23.386)
The entire fucking native life is hostile to us. Within 10 minutes of us being in there, they come in and fucking murder everybody. And we're going to fucking all of the resources that we don't have on Earth anymore because it's dying. We're going to destroy it here too. Can't see a problem with this. And Jake Sout is stopping us, but we have to remove him. Oh, hey, General. He removed himself. Now let's go after him.
Chris (50:33.584)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (50:41.728)
100%.
Luciano (50:52.41)
Just make sure we kill him. Spend all of the resources.
Spencer (50:54.442)
Let's pause. Let's pause this. This earth saving mission and go after that guy.
Chris (50:56.876)
Yeah, let's take a breath.
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (51:02.018)
Why? Just you know, let's go.
Matt (51:06.114)
Furthermore, on this plan they have, they have come with many more things to make a more permanent foothold on the planet, correct? And so we find out later in the movie they have like, they don't really have that much of an army on surface, I guess. Even though this is general. So, Khorachin, his like five buddies that are left over, they commandeer a whaling vessel to go find the sea people.
Luciano (51:15.47)
Yeah, they're building shit and whatnot. Yeah.
Luciano (51:33.922)
Yeah.
Matt (51:35.83)
And it all dovetails really nicely into the fact that see people have a lovingly close relationship with whales Don't get me started on that. That's not part of this But what is interesting here is I assumed through three quarters of the movie that they had a whaling ship there because they had a Feed a ton of people need food you hunt the whales for the food. All right, you know kind of makes sense Lo and behold I find out no I find out that the
Luciano (51:41.118)
Off-Core. Of course.
Spencer (51:43.202)
Hardwarming.
Luciano (51:54.818)
Yeah? Nope.
Spencer (51:57.277)
No no no.
Luciano (51:58.863)
No.
Matt (52:03.87)
New Zealand sea captain, which we'll get to later, he or the Kiwi sea captain, he is hunting the whales and then when they kill them all they do is suck out the, what is it, I wrote it down here, the brain juice, amrita aka the ambergris out of these whales because, and this might be his plot hole on its own.
Luciano (52:06.497)
Hahaha!
Luciano (52:16.614)
Brain juice.
Chris (52:18.476)
Amrita, the Amrita.
Matt (52:26.934)
they send it back to Earth because it stops aging. And he is very definite on what stop aging means. He doesn't beat around the bush. He's like, none, zero, nada, aging whatsoever. And he says, this is what's paying for this operation. And I have so many questions about that statement. One, how do they know that was there in the whales? Why do they need to pay for the operation if the Earth is dying?
Luciano (52:36.263)
Yeah, stops it completely. Yeah.
Spencer (52:36.578)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Luciano (52:43.33)
Yep, same.
Luciano (52:56.298)
Also, I have another question too. Also, stopping humans from aging, isn't that going to make the resources problem even worse? Ha ha ha. Sure, sure. Mm-hmm.
Matt (52:56.542)
Isn't... Okay.
Chris (53:01.732)
Mm-hmm.
Mmm.
Matt (53:04.478)
No, that's fine.
Spencer (53:05.718)
Oh, so what, you just want to kill all the humans?
Matt (53:08.386)
Technically, if you can't age, you can't die. So why do you need to eat? Answer me that one.
Chris (53:13.68)
Correct.
Spencer (53:13.922)
Well they didn't say you can't starve. You can't live off bur- You can't live off whale juice!
Luciano (53:14.226)
no wait what wait what no it's not like it doesn't make you immortal just makes it
Matt (53:19.65)
Can't you?
Matt (53:23.158)
Hey, hey, don't get mad at me like I'm James Cameron writing this movie. I'm just asking questions.
Spencer (53:27.956)
I picture Matt taking that and being like, I can't age. I'm immortal now. Steps in front of a bus. Try and stop me.
Matt (53:31.566)
I'm going to go to bed.
Luciano (53:31.818)
Yeah, yeah, stop! Try and stop me now!
Chris (53:32.064)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (53:35.858)
I'm applying James Cameron logic to this question. Tell me I'm wrong.
Spencer (53:39.966)
Um, you're wrong. It stops aging, not dying. Um, the question, the whale juice, it stops aging. How did they, you said how, yeah, how many, first of all, how many animals. Brains that they have to taste before they realized it was the whales that had the one that makes you immortal.
Luciano (53:44.01)
Yeah.
Matt (53:44.486)
Okay.
Matt (53:52.297)
Mm-hmm.
Correct.
Matt (54:03.559)
It's like you don't understand the format of this podcast where we ask fun questions like that in the third section.
Luciano (54:06.159)
Ha ha!
Spencer (54:08.414)
You run it up now!
Luciano (54:10.102)
No, that wasn't supposed to be now at all.
Chris (54:13.431)
Hey listeners, have you ever wanted to see what a car crash looks like? You just heard it! Live and direct!
Spencer (54:14.238)
He brought it up.
Luciano (54:18.711)
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Spencer (54:19.961)
You can't... what, we're gonna bring it up twice?
Luciano (54:23.166)
No, we were not... Yeah.
Matt (54:23.35)
Yes, all the questions we ask at the end just get brought up out of nowhere.
Spencer (54:27.034)
Okay, well, screw me.
Matt (54:30.002)
Yeah, now I gotta edit this all out. Try to say something about it that isn't about the question we're gonna ask later.
Luciano (54:30.555)
Hahaha
Chris (54:32.912)
Yeah, I thought you were gonna keep it.
Spencer (54:33.066)
That's... that's fine.
Chris (54:36.74)
That was funny, you could have kept it in, but okay. That was fun.
Luciano (54:39.195)
No, no.
Spencer (54:41.886)
I thought you were teeing it up for us.
Matt (54:44.266)
No, because we're not there yet.
Chris (54:45.016)
You teed it out! You self-teed! You put the... You came from the trunk, you took the tee tee, and you put it here, and then you'll... PAPA!
Luciano (54:48.141)
You teed it up for yourself. You threw the ball up and you bet.
Spencer (54:52.239)
Well, sometimes it's what you gotta do.
Matt (54:54.444)
Ha ha ha.
Spencer (54:57.031)
I didn't think we were going to talk about whale brains twice.
Matt (55:01.042)
Yeah, because it's a major, it's actually a plot, like it's a plot point to the Earth's defense forces fucking whole overarching plot thing. That's where we're at. I intentionally did not ask the question. I came close to it, but I stayed away from it because we're talking about... Yeah, because that's like a... Because the amaretto is part of the idea that the plot doesn't make sense. Like what...
Luciano (55:01.07)
No, but that wasn't even the angle.
Spencer (55:07.814)
Okay. Ah. Okay.
Luciano (55:12.623)
about the brain.
Spencer (55:15.478)
we're talking about the amaretto shit okay
Luciano (55:17.794)
I'm a re-
Chris (55:18.083)
I'm out.
Spencer (55:24.909)
Hahaha
Matt (55:26.702)
How do they find out about the amaretto? How is the amaretto funding this operation when the earth's dying? What does it matter to do with anything? I don't know. Well, where we leave off? What? Luciano, you asked a question.
Chris (55:30.2)
More hamaretto.
Luciano (55:30.52)
Yeah.
Spencer (55:31.898)
Okay, I can answer that.
Spencer (55:37.522)
You said, no, you said how did the funding, how does this fund the auto rate, how does that all work? That's what you said. You did.
Matt (55:44.678)
Okay, I don't know if I did, but we'll stitch it together. Okay.
Spencer (55:51.646)
Well, I actually took it differently. I thought that basically when they said, I think that the whale mining operation is not affiliated with the military. It's like a private, it's a private business. And when he says, what he thinks paying for this whole operation, he means the whole whaling operation. And.
Luciano (56:04.313)
No, it's not. It's not.
Luciano (56:14.945)
No, he says it's paying for this whole thing. Like the presence of humans in Pandora.
Spencer (56:17.942)
So maybe...
So I think that the business entity that runs that whaling operation is making so much money that they're funding the government and it's like this one hand washes the other kind of situation.
Luciano (56:27.338)
Yeah, that's what I understood. Because he sells a bunch of times. I have quotas to meet. So, you know, people are demanding it from him. But but like to Matt's point, what like if the earth is going to shit, isn't like just trying to make money pointless if what you're trying to do is fucking save the entire human race and move them to another. That is fair. That is very fair.
Chris (56:34.326)
Yeah.
Matt (56:35.534)
Sure.
Spencer (56:49.186)
I think we've learned with global warming that does not matter and money comes first.
Matt (56:55.938)
That's, I guess that's fair, but like, it's just, it's the thing with, like, it's just Cameron's just like, oh, I need to justify this thing here. Like, it's like, just take five seconds and wrap it all in a nice, tight, tiny bow. Like, they could have just been hunting for food and they just happened to figure this out. Like, that's fine, just.
Luciano (57:06.414)
But he-
Yeah, no, but here's the thing, Matt, not only are they not hunting for food, but they don't even think about using it for food. They're like, yeah, let's sink it. Because here's why they have to show that humans are bastards. And they're evil cardboard characters that have no depth to them. And all that they want to do is be evil. That's the entirety of the reason why they exist is to be villains. So he was like...
Spencer (57:22.687)
are the worst.
Chris (57:35.504)
Demon!
Spencer (57:37.023)
Let's be real.
Luciano (57:37.326)
We're gonna kill this beast that, you know, the scientist that should be Kiwi but isn't, we'll talk about it later, says, oh, they're smarter than us, they have more emotions than us, they have philosophy. They're like, no, we're gonna kill him. We're gonna extract the fucking brain juice and just sink the carcass because we're evil. Like it's so, it's so blatant and on the nose, it's like it's awful.
Chris (57:50.381)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer (57:51.562)
They're genius.
Chris (57:54.468)
Mm-hmm.
Who's got the harpoon now?
Spencer (58:00.326)
on the nose. Yeah.
Matt (58:04.49)
The best part is the science that Jermaine uses to justify that. It's like, look how big their brain space is. Of course they have more stuff there. Yeah. Look how big their neuroplasts are. Of course they're smarter than us. I'm like, I don't know if that is actually, is easy to relate. Just that one to one, but.
Chris (58:09.336)
Neuropathways or something?
Spencer (58:14.882)
That's how we're... And then to really hammer it home, then they all spit on the way whilst they're leaving. It's part of our tradition.
Luciano (58:17.27)
It doesn't necessarily work that way, yeah.
Matt (58:24.899)
So like, if we're calling out the plot hole here and we're saying, well, the fucking humongous plot hole, like James Cameron's story writing is bad, but like, can we like, hmm. Hmm.
Spencer (58:34.334)
in Avatar.
No, come on, he wrote Terminator, Aliens, those are all very good.
Luciano (58:40.674)
Yeah, how long ago?
Spencer (58:44.509)
1990s, the 90s, Titanic.
Chris (58:46.036)
As long as you leave out, as long as you leave out Titanic, no you bastard, I tried to give you a leeway and you just got on and dug your own ditch. Okay, you're over it. Titanic is a roasting piece of shit.
Luciano (58:46.099)
Yeah exactly.
Matt (58:46.274)
Just sayin'.
Spencer (58:53.911)
Heheheheh. Titanic's a fine film.
Luciano (58:55.691)
It's not.
Matt (58:56.802)
The story's already written. People get in a boat and fucking die. Move on. The fucking jack couldn't hold on to a piece of wood to live. Ha ha ha.
Chris (59:00.1)
and it was still bad going.
Spencer (59:04.85)
Oh, now we're not going there.
Chris (59:04.968)
No, no, there was room on the door!
Luciano (59:05.398)
No, no, dude, that was ruined that fucking door. Rose, if we, if we were talking, listen, if we were talking about that movie here, one of your questions, Matt, would be, why is Rose the real villain? And you would be right.
Spencer (59:09.69)
Let it go. It was 20 years ago. Let it go.
Matt (59:10.318)
Fuck you, Spencer! Heh heh heh.
Chris (59:11.648)
No. Oh, you know what was 20 years ago? James Cameron's talent.
Matt (59:23.927)
correct.
Chris (59:24.624)
Correct.
Matt (59:26.518)
So is there anything we can do?
Spencer (59:26.71)
Why is Jake the real villain?
Matt (59:30.85)
He isn't. It's his wife. We're not going to go there. Is there anything we can do to help old daddy fuck bucks make a better film?
Chris (59:33.721)
There you go.
Chris (59:41.284)
Why? Oh, but why? He doesn't need our, he's got the money. But I like your question. What would we do to help him? We'd fire him.
Luciano (59:41.498)
Hahaha!
Spencer (59:53.475)
Oh, you guys are going too hard on James Cameron. The guy's a genius.
Matt (59:53.543)
No, but you can't fire him. Like no, but like yes and this question, Chris, let's dig into this a bit. Like we're trying to solve problems in the plots or like trying to make the plot at least make some fucking sense of sense so we can enjoy watching this movie. Because it's close to being enjoyable. Like there are so many elements that are good, but you just need something that like the story is like.
Luciano (59:58.242)
No, you can't. It's his thing.
Chris (59:59.318)
I can. But I know the angle. Sure, sure, sure. Mm-hmm.
Luciano (01:00:17.306)
So to me, the main problem is what Spencer brought up, is how do you reconcile the fact that the plan was to get Jake out of the way, and Jake gets himself out of the way, and they still go after him? Maybe there needed to be some sort of a fight between Blue Rich and the general, and maybe he kills her and takes over the operation, and that's why they go off after Jake instead of doing what they need to do? That's because.
Chris (01:00:38.86)
Makes sense. Off the handle. That's fine. I think that works.
Spencer (01:00:44.654)
Or they just say from the beginning, like they don't have a whole setup where they're like, he's in our way. They're just like, the whole setup from the beginning could be like, he stopped our last mission and he's a AWOL soldier. It's horrible optics. We need to kill him. We need to fix this problem.
Luciano (01:00:57.94)
Yeah.
Yeah, that could be it. Or you know what? You know what it could be? It could be like, oh, he knows how we operate, how the military operates, so he can organize them against us. If he's not there, we're going to have a much easier time, you know, like killing them. And then that's why they have to kill Jake, I don't know, something like that.
Chris (01:01:01.112)
Not yes and.
Spencer (01:01:23.158)
That's just one small problem. There are many problems that we need to fix if we're fixing this movie.
Chris (01:01:23.376)
I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
Chris (01:01:27.84)
If we're trying to fix it, and these are fine ideas, I think the RDF shouldn't have been able to progress as much, fuck them, yes, thank you. They shouldn't have been able to progress as far as they did, and because Jake kept gumming up, there are attempts to settle. And if with him out of the way, they can get production, or they could just.
Luciano (01:01:34.592)
RDA.
Matt (01:01:36.423)
RDA.
Luciano (01:01:45.727)
Ah, okay. Oh, I see.
Chris (01:01:54.872)
fucking get the lights on, but they can't because the hostiles are always on them. And they have to kick things up a notch in order to remove that element. Hence Blue Rich.
Luciano (01:02:04.477)
Oh!
And, and, yes, and.
Spencer (01:02:09.022)
I was like who the fuck is Blue Ridge? I was like oh, okay. I just got it
Matt (01:02:12.862)
It's garbage.
Chris (01:02:13.464)
Hehehe
Luciano (01:02:13.578)
Um, maybe what, what should have happened is the army or the RDA goes, okay, we can't do anything here in the forest because of Jake. Let's go after the sea clans first. And then he goes to help them. Right.
Chris (01:02:26.436)
Thank you. This, yes.
Chris (01:02:30.836)
Or sure, yes, yes. Because that would give us the opportunity to say fuck off to the kids and the kids and parenting storyline and make this about, yes, and make this about the other tribes and the planet rising to collaborate and do stuff.
Luciano (01:02:35.086)
Cause that, yeah.
Luciano (01:02:41.677)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Luciano (01:02:46.65)
No, and then, you know, them not necessarily trusting him because he's a forest Navi, blah, cake. All of that could have happened.
Chris (01:02:52.621)
Sure.
Spencer (01:02:53.454)
And obviously the kids end up coming because they want to prove that they're ready. Right. So then he doesn't look like a bad dad by putting his kids in battle. They like came against his wishes.
Luciano (01:02:58.254)
There you go. Yeah.
Chris (01:02:59.844)
But fuck them.
Chris (01:03:05.324)
Yeah, and so, and then he had to do the right thing. Now I've gotta bring, I've gotta work with the other tribes and now I've gotta teach my kids too to not get killed.
Luciano (01:03:05.85)
Yeah?
Luciano (01:03:12.366)
Teach them. I gotta teach them. Yeah. Actually, I like that because I think it makes more sense than because I didn't sit well with me when Jake went, oh, fuck, I'm gonna run away. Like, it's like, is that a good plan? Because I thought they were gonna go, okay, so Jake is out. Let's go there and murder every single forest navi there is.
Chris (01:03:21.676)
what we got.
Matt (01:03:34.506)
Yes.
Chris (01:03:35.296)
Right! He's so fucking selfish! Did he not- did it not cross his mind? At all? Did it not cross his mind? If we leave, what's stopping them from going and fucking up the tribe? The new leader is green!
Spencer (01:03:37.58)
Let's get that unobtainium from movie one.
Luciano (01:03:37.996)
Yeah.
Yeah, that's what I thought was gonna happen, right?
Luciano (01:03:49.067)
And then they went...
Matt (01:03:49.152)
What? That you have to assume... He's blue. You have to assume that tribe, the Forrest Tribe isn't gonna stop fucking up the people who are on their planet, right? Like just cause Jake Sully left, they're gonna continue.
Spencer (01:03:50.183)
No, he's blue.
Chris (01:03:52.624)
Ehhhhhh!
Luciano (01:03:59.722)
But that's the thing. Yeah, but I thought the whole point was that he was to Rukmakhto or whatever he was the like the leader and he knows how they operate. Him leaving is just gonna leave them more vulnerable because they don't have his expertise. Right. And it did like in the end, it did end up just moving the problem because then fucking Quaritch and the Blue Boys just went to fuck up the sea tribes or the sea clans instead of the forest ones.
Matt (01:04:25.742)
There's a blue girl in there.
Chris (01:04:27.184)
Can we stop everything and just acknowledge how good of a career Quarrich and the Blue Boys music career would have been? Okay.
Luciano (01:04:34.339)
Yeah!
Matt (01:04:34.358)
Just a girl.
Spencer (01:04:34.378)
Hehehe
Matt (01:04:37.258)
Wow. Okay, James Cameron. I mean, wow. That's the name? The whole name is Quarantine the Blue Boys and there's her girl.
Luciano (01:04:37.442)
Yeah, they don't care. No, they don't care.
Chris (01:04:40.24)
Quaritch and the Blue Boys. And there's a girl, yes. And now I remember. I forgot, I forgot about her. I forgot. Yeah, I forgot that there was a girl.
Luciano (01:04:43.812)
yeah oh that is no okay that's the whole name plus a girl she's the drummer yeah she's the bassist yeah better she's the bassist
Spencer (01:04:49.229)
Yeah.
Spencer (01:04:53.398)
That's also in the title. She's the drummer.
Matt (01:04:53.702)
Uh, Basest. She's the Basest.
She's the basis just like in the pixies. It's very long.
Chris (01:05:00.331)
in parentheses oh my
Spencer (01:05:02.619)
It's long.
Luciano (01:05:04.583)
It forms the acronym forms a word somehow
Matt (01:05:07.83)
Yeah, we'll figure it out in post. Um, alright, we've done all we can. I mean, I would just say fucking cut, cut Quarantine, get rid of that whole fucking storyline. It would be a lot easier movie to deal with, but whatever.
Spencer (01:05:16.222)
Uh, I, uh, court, I, I would have loved a new villain. Corge wasn't like an iconic villain in the first place. He was also, why do they want to bring them back?
Luciano (01:05:17.48)
Yeah, that'd be good. That'd be good. Yeah.
Chris (01:05:18.124)
I'm fine with that too.
Yeah.
Luciano (01:05:23.738)
No. And, and he's fucking old man voice on like a younger looking face was so uncanny, he's weird. Yeah.
Matt (01:05:29.226)
It's so dumb. Like watching Harrison Ford in the latest Indiana Jones. Fucking weird.
Spencer (01:05:34.158)
Yeah, not to mention they brought a guy who failed last time to do the same mission again.
Chris (01:05:34.32)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Matt (01:05:39.552)
Right?
Luciano (01:05:40.834)
That's true. It's like, hey, do you want?
Matt (01:05:42.046)
And he has no knowledge of his death so he can't actually be better at his job.
Spencer (01:05:44.932)
Yeah, it's not like you learned from it.
Luciano (01:05:45.046)
Yeah, it's like, oh, but he learns about it though that yeah
Chris (01:05:45.776)
Until... In the video. Dash cam!
Matt (01:05:49.566)
Okay, let's segue into these questions. We're here. We're going to these questions. I have many questions about this movie that are fun, that we need to do to answer all these plot holes that James Cameron's thrown up so we can actually make sense of this movie. I mean, right off the top, I think we have to just go with Quarch. Like, so Quarch was told, he watched a video of himself telling himself that he may have died and the inferences that he did. And then they go...
Luciano (01:05:51.713)
There you go.
Chris (01:06:02.48)
Hmm
Chris (01:06:15.504)
But it ain't gonna happen.
Matt (01:06:17.218)
They go to the iconic fucking little tiny cabin in the woods. I guess, I don't know, man. Where they had the final battle. And he finds Quaritch's mech, his own mech, and his like frail skeleton left over. And they have footage of him being shot with a bunch of arrows by Natari. What do you think? Natari, is that what you want? Natari, yeah, gives a shit. Niteri, whatever.
Luciano (01:06:21.638)
Is it iconic?
Hahaha!
Chris (01:06:26.775)
That's the right answer.
Luciano (01:06:37.87)
Fucking can't get her name right.
Luciano (01:06:43.2)
Naytiri, naytiri.
Matt (01:06:46.382)
I'm not getting anybody's name right in this fucking thing. What do you think happened in Quaritch's brain when he watched his own murder on loop on that little fucking camera in the woods or the TV in the woods?
Luciano (01:06:48.294)
Fair.
Spencer (01:06:58.058)
You think he had an...
Chris (01:06:58.512)
Hello darkness my old friend
Luciano (01:06:59.558)
I think he had a hard on. I think he got a hard on, watching himself die.
Spencer (01:07:02.826)
You think he had an ego death?
Luciano (01:07:06.519)
No.
Chris (01:07:07.44)
What's the ego death? Oh, like the death of his ego? No.
Luciano (01:07:10.658)
No, I think he got a hard on, honestly. Yeah, I think he was like, mm, yeah, daddy like. I don't know why, but that's, yeah, it's Quaridge. He's fucked up.
Spencer (01:07:11.22)
No.
Chris (01:07:12.996)
Do? Hmm. Okay.
Matt (01:07:19.682)
Daddy like watching himself die?
Chris (01:07:23.305)
Because he lived, because he lived.
Spencer (01:07:24.314)
Kill me harder, Mommy!
Luciano (01:07:26.002)
Exactly. There you go. There you go.
Spencer (01:07:28.162)
Hehehe
Chris (01:07:29.7)
I owe you a death sexually.
Luciano (01:07:31.978)
I mean, he was already such a well adjusted individual, I'm sure it did nothing bad to his psyche.
Matt (01:07:32.707)
Wow.
Matt (01:07:36.91)
Do you think they even gave them penises or they're just like, we can't trust you jarheads. He was fucking smooth.
Spencer (01:07:42.178)
Well that's a better question. Do Navi have penises in general? I thought their genitals were their hair.
Luciano (01:07:44.97)
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I think they do.
Chris (01:07:45.64)
I don't get it.
Matt (01:07:46.966)
Or did... I thought they just... locked... locked hair. Yeah.
Chris (01:07:49.036)
Yeah, yeah, that's right.
Luciano (01:07:49.882)
They're queuing. They're queuing. They're queuing to each other. It's the Navi version of docking.
Spencer (01:07:51.018)
Penis hair.
Matt (01:07:56.812)
Okay.
Spencer (01:07:57.162)
Then they do it to every animal and plant. It's a-
Chris (01:07:59.844)
So wow, they're very free. It's very fluid on... It's fluid on Pandora, baby. It's all love. It's free love.
Luciano (01:08:00.258)
Oh, yeah. If, yeah, not just animals, trees.
Matt (01:08:01.515)
They bang everything.
Spencer (01:08:03.769)
It's a bit...
Matt (01:08:07.764)
You didn't see it, but off camera, there was like Navi whale creatures, Navi flying bird things, just everywhere. Yeah. Sure.
Spencer (01:08:12.594)
Yeah, yeah. All sorts of different hybrids.
Luciano (01:08:17.294)
Rocks.
Chris (01:08:18.992)
But Teyenne, tell me what happened, why are you outcast? It's too painful. But I trust you, and you can trust me. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Luciano (01:08:24.328)
Yeah, it's the best.
Luciano (01:08:29.082)
Hahahaha
Matt (01:08:30.118)
Hehehe
Spencer (01:08:30.582)
Ha ha ha!
Chris (01:08:32.496)
Hmm
Luciano (01:08:33.23)
So what you're saying is he had sexual trauma is what you're saying.
Matt (01:08:36.33)
He hadn't... He hadn't nutted in years.
Spencer (01:08:39.246)
Hehehehehehe
Chris (01:08:39.247)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:08:41.253)
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Chris (01:08:43.681)
Lord have mercy.
Matt (01:08:44.368)
Alright, well we know what happened to Quarra, she got horny and lost his penis.
Spencer (01:08:49.68)
I don't think that's what we said, but we'll allow it.
Matt (01:08:51.404)
and f-
Luciano (01:08:51.463)
I made amazing summary. No, it was perfect. That was the perfect summary.
Matt (01:08:53.974)
That's what I got out of that answer. The Earth. The Earth is dying as told to us by General, what's her face? I'll look this, Hartmore?
Luciano (01:09:01.322)
Ardmore. Ard, it could be, it should be Ardmore, but no, just Ardmore.
Spencer (01:09:02.326)
Sopranos.
Matt (01:09:07.862)
Sure man, that could be Sam Worthington played her in a fucking, made for TV movie.
Luciano (01:09:11.322)
Ha ha!
Chris (01:09:14.148)
Sab Worthington played the General too? This man is a savant!
Luciano (01:09:16.451)
In another, in another, he played General Ardmore in the movie Bullet.
Matt (01:09:16.631)
Yeah.
Matt (01:09:22.291)
Yeah, I believe that 100%. But so, let's say it's a prequel. What is, what is happening to the earth that is making it die?
Spencer (01:09:23.531)
bullet hole.
Luciano (01:09:25.81)
No, bullet hole is that's the prequel.
Spencer (01:09:26.838)
Mm-hmm
Luciano (01:09:34.51)
Hmm. Do you think maybe it's like they were testing all of those ships and like taking off just fucking burned the entire planet to crisp? Yeah. No, no, we got it right. Now we can travel. But now take imagine if it takes them if it burns that much coming down. Imagine how much more it burns going out.
Chris (01:09:43.848)
type one and two it's we got it wrong but we'll get it right
Chris (01:09:53.604)
But we can't come back.
Matt (01:10:00.118)
That's what she said.
Luciano (01:10:01.382)
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Chris (01:10:01.69)
Mm-hmm. Oh my God.
Spencer (01:10:02.489)
Hehehehehehe
Chris (01:10:07.396)
That's what Ikran said. Yeah!
Matt (01:10:10.604)
No. You shouldn't have.
Matt (01:10:16.534)
Um, okay, I mean that's fair, so they burned the earth. I feel like it's already dead in this scenario, not just like, on its way out.
Spencer (01:10:24.21)
I think everybody with any capabilities left Earth on the ships and all that's left are yeah, they're are like just seeing pictures from Pandora and they've all become furries and they've no longer can act as a society.
Luciano (01:10:24.655)
Yeah.
Matt (01:10:30.398)
Right.
Luciano (01:10:30.851)
Oh, just left the idiots at home?
Luciano (01:10:39.682)
Oh.
Matt (01:10:41.134)
Jesus.
Chris (01:10:41.968)
But where, okay, so you're asking what happened to Earth, but I'm, and we clearly didn't see where the rest of humanity is. And so, hmm. I don't know where they are at all. That's the point, they don't say. I don't remember.
Matt (01:10:46.561)
Yeah.
Matt (01:10:50.527)
No idea.
Spencer (01:10:53.481)
Wait, are they on other planets?
Luciano (01:10:55.414)
Yeah, did they talk about it in the first movie at all?
Matt (01:10:55.868)
They don't say anything.
Matt (01:11:00.626)
No, because they were just there for an obtainium, right? They weren't there because the Earth was dying in the first movie. The Earth dying is new.
Luciano (01:11:04.279)
Yeah, yeah.
Spencer (01:11:05.83)
Oh, you know what probably happened? They probably were unable to obtain the onoptavian and they needed that. They really did.
Matt (01:11:11.662)
Okay. So you're saying they came back for the end of the tenium.
Spencer (01:11:16.146)
No, no, it's too late now. They needed it. No, that's what it was called.
Chris (01:11:17.764)
Did they really call it unobtained yet or are we just calling it that?
Matt (01:11:17.95)
Okay.
Luciano (01:11:20.299)
No, they did!
Matt (01:11:20.606)
No, did you not watch the first Avatar? It was called Unobtanium.
Chris (01:11:23.408)
I don't remember it! We all discussed how forgettable it was.
Luciano (01:11:24.574)
Yeah, it was so on the nose I couldn't believe it they used an actual element called unobtainium. It was like what the fuck?
Chris (01:11:33.21)
Oh my god.
Spencer (01:11:34.166)
They might as well have just called it Iraqi oil. Be more on the nose.
Matt (01:11:37.971)
Wow.
Chris (01:11:39.876)
Never gonna get it, never gonna get it, never gonna get it, never gonna get it, never gonna get it, gonna get it.
Matt (01:11:47.133)
I don't want to do the live pitch voice removing on from that.
Luciano (01:11:50.158)
Hahaha!
Spencer (01:11:52.594)
Yeah, so they didn't get their unobtainian, so they were unable to restart the Earth's core, because I assume that's what that was for.
Matt (01:11:53.006)
Spencer? Yeah.
Luciano (01:11:58.167)
Restart the Earth Card?
Matt (01:11:58.358)
I mean that seems plausible. No, I like that.
Chris (01:11:58.48)
Ooh, yeah, yeah. And they needed to make sure that, oh no, let's leave it at that. I like this, it's buttoned, it's buttoned. It's too sexy, it's too sexy.
Spencer (01:12:00.166)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:12:02.133)
Oh God.
Matt (01:12:06.226)
Yeah, don't yeah, we're it's a nice little bow right now. Don't unravel it. Moving on from that. Hey, why? Why are the forest Navi or the air Navi, if you will, so pro patriarchy?
Chris (01:12:17.636)
Hmm.
Chris (01:12:21.344)
In what way? Pro-patriarchy.
Matt (01:12:23.414)
I mean, in every way. The man runs the house, the woman doesn't do anything.
Chris (01:12:27.408)
Yeah, that was rough, especially when they moved. Uh. Oh. No. But that was dirty, dirty. Soon as they move, they go to the water tribe and then like, you know, Nateri doesn't like the cut of the, of the, of the, of the, I can't remember. Rohan? Ro-all? Roll-n-all. What the fuck? It sounds like, it sounds like Rohypnol or some shit.
Spencer (01:12:28.738)
Sounds like they just know what's up. I'm back!
Luciano (01:12:32.867)
Oh no, see what you did?
Matt (01:12:32.947)
Incell Spencer, where'd you come from?
Luciano (01:12:49.127)
Rono. Ruh.
Matt (01:12:50.542)
grown up.
Spencer (01:12:51.971)
Rona Gardens.
Chris (01:12:56.172)
What the fuck? And so they come to verbal blows and then Jake apologizes for his mate. She's tired. It was the worst writing.
Matt (01:13:02.899)
Yeah, right?
Luciano (01:13:04.603)
Yeah, no, and it's wor-
Spencer (01:13:06.15)
Might as well just been like, can you keep your bitch in line?
Chris (01:13:09.897)
Oh my god, yes. That's what he said. That's what he said.
Luciano (01:13:10.498)
No, and the worst part is like he says like I'm not worried about the Chifton I'm worried about her because clearly she has the like the final say there and it's like It's like shut up woman. The man is talking like what the fuck is that? Yeah, I so why so but the question was why are they so pro patriarchy?
Matt (01:13:21.238)
Bitches be crazy.
Spencer (01:13:22.996)
Hehehehe
Chris (01:13:27.352)
It was terrible. We know where James stands in terms of the high household. Why are they? Because they try to keep bitches down. They try to keep, it's terrible.
Matt (01:13:34.984)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:13:40.048)
No, but then...
Spencer (01:13:40.63)
Well, they live in a very hunter-gatherer-like society, so they're... We'll see. You'll see. Heh heh heh.
Matt (01:13:45.974)
Hey, what Spencer's talking right now?
Chris (01:13:46.064)
Oh, you're right!
Luciano (01:13:50.539)
It's up for it's up for this. Yeah. The yeah, the personality is in flux.
Matt (01:13:51.534)
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Chris (01:13:53.132)
He doesn't know, he doesn't know, the host doesn't know what symbiote is going to take possession.
Spencer (01:14:00.63)
Because after, unlike, because this is a very different movie than the first one where Natiri was a very capable hunter and independent person on her own, in this movie, they're a hunter gatherer society where the men are in charge and the women follow. And I, for one, am like a refreshing new take. It's about time.
Chris (01:14:09.156)
Leader and leader, yeah.
Luciano (01:14:22.812)
Oh, now we know.
Matt (01:14:24.162)
Haha! Oh dear.
Chris (01:14:28.528)
But Spencer, whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Luciano (01:14:28.582)
Wait, somebody bring the white van so we can shove and sell Spencer into it.
Spencer (01:14:30.088)
Hehehe
Matt (01:14:32.942)
That's, you know, we're just going to move past this question and on to one where maybe he'll disappear. We'll find out why. Why? Natary, is that correct? Natary. Yeah.
Chris (01:14:40.167)
Heal us, Matt, heal us.
Luciano (01:14:45.358)
That's close enough.
Chris (01:14:45.417)
Closer I appreciate the effort Well, that's a step back but keep going keep going Warmer colder warmer colder. Yeah, keep going. Do we do we do we do you? Yes
Spencer (01:14:50.005)
further
Luciano (01:14:50.611)
Yeah, just go just say whatever we know who it is
Matt (01:14:58.09)
Nene says, Nene has, she has a unique fletching. The tip or the ends of her arrows are a very specific color that marks her presence on a battlefield. Why does she do this?
Luciano (01:14:59.118)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Spencer (01:15:14.742)
Women love to decorate. It's offensive, it's back!
Chris (01:15:17.704)
Oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. Whatever, whatever demographic we were about to expand has evaporated into nothingness, nothingness. Good God.
Luciano (01:15:19.225)
Hahahaha!
Luciano (01:15:23.469)
Ehhhhhh... Hahahaha!
Matt (01:15:27.33)
Oh my God.
Matt (01:15:32.919)
Dead.
Luciano (01:15:35.706)
Jesus.
Matt (01:15:37.002)
Anybody else want to answer this question for real or are we just fucking letting insta-l spencer take over?
Spencer (01:15:37.111)
I'm sorry.
Chris (01:15:40.404)
I'm shocked. I don't know what's happening. So why does she have to have a calling card cuz she's She's a master at the craft of killing Bitch ass motherfuckers who would step on her territory
Spencer (01:15:52.03)
Yeah, she really is the best killer.
Luciano (01:15:52.718)
But like, okay, but I have a question about that. Like is she the only one who can get whatever feathers she's using to make that fletching? Is that how that works?
Matt (01:16:02.11)
Yes. I'm going to say yes just so you answer my question and get off your question.
Chris (01:16:03.27)
That would be cool. That would be interesting.
Luciano (01:16:06.574)
Now fuck off with your question, mine's more important. Hahahaha!
Spencer (01:16:08.13)
She, no, she has a unique fletching because she wants the people, the comrades of her victims to know who did it to, because she's such a bad bitch. It's like, yes, exactly. That whatever that is, I agree.
Chris (01:16:09.061)
Ha ha ha!
Matt (01:16:10.389)
Ha ha ha!
Matt (01:16:22.562)
It's psychological.
Luciano (01:16:22.701)
Oh, stochastic terrorism is what you're saying.
Chris (01:16:28.012)
Hehehehe
Matt (01:16:30.83)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Luciano (01:16:32.553)
I was expecting that.
Chris (01:16:33.072)
Appreciate and applaud your transparency. That sort of sounds like true Spencer coming. Like, leave the other personalities on the show. Yeah. And that's, that's fair.
Luciano (01:16:41.079)
So it's basically an intimidation tactic, is what you're saying.
Spencer (01:16:44.606)
Yeah, it's badass. I'll say the one cool thing about her is she kills everybody.
Luciano (01:16:46.166)
I mean it works, like Quaritch fucking quivers in his boots.
Chris (01:16:51.344)
She kills everybody and she's very efficient with reusing her arrows.
Luciano (01:16:54.594)
She's a badass. Whenever she gets some screen time that is not her fucking yelling like a banshee or ugly crying she actually is pretty good with her bow and hunting looks like.
Chris (01:17:00.906)
Ugly crying.
Chris (01:17:07.364)
They watered her down in this movie. They watered her down.
Matt (01:17:07.49)
Oh, all you needed to do is have Jake Sully like distract fucking Quaritch for long enough for Nene to pop a cap in his head.
Chris (01:17:15.244)
Yes, yes, I would love for it again. I owe you a death. We'll see about that punk ass motherfucker That would be great again Yes, yes, yes Put him down put his ass down again
Luciano (01:17:17.102)
Fucking pop, yeah.
Luciano (01:17:21.826)
No, but yeah.
Spencer (01:17:24.61)
Hehehehe, come here!
Luciano (01:17:26.434)
Is that like they should have done, you should have done the Dexter thing with Sergeant Donut. Surprise motherfucker and shot to the face, yeah. Ha ha ha. But she even says it like, she's like, I'll kill you as many times as I have to. You would have been cool if she did, but no. Yeah. Not only did she not do it, but fucking spider saves them too. Like what the fuck was that?
Spencer (01:17:31.979)
That's what that was.
Matt (01:17:43.918)
She's just doing it.
Matt (01:17:49.994)
Jake said- we're not talking about that, I don't care. Fuck Spider. I'm on to my- I'm on to my next question. I don't care.
Chris (01:17:50.234)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:17:52.651)
HAHAHAHA!
Chris (01:17:54.104)
Big ass forehead, ugly ass.
Spencer (01:17:55.58)
All my homies hate spider.
Luciano (01:17:59.727)
Wow, okay. Seguing like there's no tomorrow.
Matt (01:18:03.018)
Yeah, I'm a professional. But I do want to talk about Spider ironically.
Chris (01:18:09.106)
The whiplash!
Matt (01:18:11.414)
I'm a professional, folks.
Luciano (01:18:12.038)
This is what happens when I look at my notes after I respond. Hahahaha!
Matt (01:18:15.746)
Don't try this at home folks, only a trained professional podcasters can pull the maneuver I'm about to pull.
Chris (01:18:20.324)
Ah!
Luciano (01:18:20.972)
Yeah, yeah, I...
Spencer (01:18:21.663)
I don't want to talk about spider. Having said that, my next question is about spider.
Chris (01:18:23.288)
Does this podcast have any sort of wellness benefit? Cause my neck needs some RMT attention.
Luciano (01:18:27.968)
No, no, that's true. If you're not a professional, you can fucking pull something. Can't even say the word.
Matt (01:18:32.246)
Again, you're safe because I'm professional at speaking words and stag-wing. The question I want to know about is at the end of the movie, Nettie Harry trades a son for a son, right? And so she basically pulls out Spider, slices up his chest and threatens Quaritch to kill Spider. Spider... Sorry, not Spider. Quaritch backs down.
Spencer (01:18:35.978)
Oh god.
Luciano (01:18:46.39)
Nee nee. Yeah.
Chris (01:18:48.62)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Matt (01:19:00.946)
I want to know on the way back to the Sea Clans hut, what's that conversation like between the Tarion's fighter?
Spencer (01:19:02.006)
I was just like, whaaaaat?
Luciano (01:19:08.422)
It was like Spider just giving her the side eye, like wanting to ask the question, but not having like, she's like, this fucking bitch is crazy. If I ask her a question, she's gonna stab me in the jugular, like what the fuck's gonna happen?
Spencer (01:19:21.126)
I picture the scene in Anchorman after the big fight where they're just like, well, that escalated quickly.
Matt (01:19:28.083)
Yeah
Luciano (01:19:28.152)
Yeah, like just picture a blue this picture of blue Ron Burgundy
Matt (01:19:30.478)
She cut me with a dagger!
Chris (01:19:30.596)
Perfect!
Spencer (01:19:35.515)
Yeah, well that is yeah, I'm pretty sure the dairy killed a guy
Luciano (01:19:41.346)
Yeah.
Matt (01:19:41.578)
Hahaha!
Chris (01:19:43.709)
I think I think we were like new mama. Do you love me?
Luciano (01:19:48.007)
Yeah, and she just goes shhh, ahh, shhh and who?
Spencer (01:19:48.518)
Yeah
Spencer (01:19:52.319)
No, she's like, you're alright, you know, you're okay. Spider. Who named him Spider?
Chris (01:19:52.627)
I'll take what I can get new mommy.
Luciano (01:19:57.386)
Monkey Boy. Yeah. It's a nickname, right? His name is Miles Socorro for whatever fucking reason.
Chris (01:20:08.244)
Oh, they call him Spider because of his Battlefield Earth white dreads.
Luciano (01:20:12.422)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Matt (01:20:13.466)
Heheheheheheheheheheheheh
Spencer (01:20:18.759)
That's a good answer.
Chris (01:20:18.97)
Cough cough.
Matt (01:20:21.306)
I wanna see the Battlefield Earth Avatar 3 movie. I think that would be a bitchin'.
Luciano (01:20:25.074)
Oh my god. Battlefield like Alien vs Predator is Battlefield vs Avatar? Is that the same? Oh yeah that's much better. Much yeah. With John Travolta of course.
Spencer (01:20:26.701)
And then the battlefield earth attacked
Chris (01:20:27.636)
Oh, John Travolta, Barry Pepper.
Matt (01:20:33.311)
No, Battlefield Pandora. You don't know how this works at all. Come on, man.
Speaking of mashup movies, this is another professional segue. Avatar 1 was essentially Pocahontas in space, which we mentioned previously. You might throw in some dance of the wolves. What is Avatar 2 in space?
Chris (01:20:40.484)
and BAM!
Luciano (01:20:56.034)
Well, the last samurai. Clearly.
Matt (01:21:00.182)
Okay?
Luciano (01:21:01.314)
But like in a weird reverse way because Jake brings the problem with him to the sea clans. He's like a Trojan horse almost of sorts. What else?
Matt (01:21:06.475)
Pfft, hahaha
Chris (01:21:07.273)
Oh, oh, oh.
Chris (01:21:12.4)
Oh!
Matt (01:21:12.91)
Okay. Yeah.
Chris (01:21:15.696)
Pearl Harbor.
Matt (01:21:18.367)
In space.
Luciano (01:21:18.506)
Yeah, that's true Pearl Harbor in space.
Chris (01:21:20.888)
Many lives were lost unnecessarily in the execution of many plans.
Matt (01:21:22.346)
Pfft. Hehehehehehe.
Luciano (01:21:25.374)
So wait, so when so is that is that why in the last battle the C clan just fucks off at the end instead of helping? It's like yeah, you know, like fuck this amount.
Matt (01:21:34.834)
Yeah. How does that?
Chris (01:21:35.53)
Yeah.
Chris (01:21:39.96)
You know what, I got Surf and Turf waiting for me. Roe Hipnall, what do you think about this? You still, you still, you still care, like, you baby, I don't want you straining yourself too much, baby. It's just like, daddy, I don't know. When I ride, I ride, okay? I like the way you talking, baby. Let's go back home, Roe Hipnall, get some crackin'.
Luciano (01:21:44.195)
Oh
Spencer (01:21:48.558)
Hehehehe
Luciano (01:21:51.063)
No, no, he wouldn't.
Spencer (01:21:56.13)
I'm back with more F-Dogs, it's time to crack!
Luciano (01:21:58.793)
He wouldn't call her that. It's a pet name. He would call her Rufy, for sure.
Chris (01:22:02.512)
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Matt (01:22:03.022)
Jesus. You brought that on yourself, Chris.
Spencer, can you save us, uh, you know, from this?
Chris (01:22:13.816)
Don't, you don't know who's going to do the saving!
Luciano (01:22:13.85)
Look at what we've been reduced to. We've been reduced to Spencer, can you save us? Ha ha ha.
Spencer (01:22:17.696)
So what movie is this? I'm trying to think of them. What movie is this movie like? There's so many that it's like, that it's such a, it's almost a hard question.
Chris (01:22:21.648)
I said Pearl Harbor.
Luciano (01:22:26.943)
Yeah, it's true.
Chris (01:22:28.88)
Start with one. Start with one. Start with one. Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Matt (01:22:30.347)
Is it Titanic in space?
Luciano (01:22:33.146)
How? No.
Spencer (01:22:33.169)
No.
Spencer (01:22:38.976)
It's like...
Matt (01:22:39.34)
Is it dune in space?
Chris (01:22:41.46)
Which dune? Which dune? Which dune? Is it Dini Poutine dune? Or is it Patrick Stewart Sting Poutine dune?
Luciano (01:22:41.634)
Wait, Dune is in space, you idiot!
Spencer (01:22:42.054)
Dude!
Spencer (01:22:47.935)
Hehehehe
Matt (01:22:48.191)
Yeah
Spencer (01:22:52.162)
Hehehe
Matt (01:22:52.778)
Now, Dini put in, dude. Listen, I understand that it's already in space, but like it's, I mean, like you move, you have a guy who
Chris (01:22:56.889)
good!
Spencer (01:23:00.52)
Pretty similar.
Chris (01:23:00.781)
Yeah!
Luciano (01:23:02.423)
Dune in water.
Chris (01:23:03.776)
It's no, it's don't, it's yeah, it's the dude, it's James McAvoy Dune, children of whatever. Yeah, McAvoy Dune. Yeah, man, I took it there.
Matt (01:23:07.842)
James McAvoy, dude.
Luciano (01:23:08.552)
Oh no! Oh no!
Spencer (01:23:09.547)
Oh, that was the TV movie. Deep cut, deep cut. I can't think of anything, so I'm just gonna say Toy Story. It works if you think about it. Moving on. Buzz Lightyear is gorge.
Matt (01:23:11.554)
God, too deep. You've gone too deep.
Chris (01:23:15.736)
First cut is the deepest.
Luciano (01:23:18.734)
HAHAHAHAHAHA! To infinity and beyond!
Matt (01:23:19.246)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Matt (01:23:23.902)
I mean, all right. Jurassic Park in space. We'll move on.
Chris (01:23:25.156)
You can't make that work just by saying that. Ooh, world domination.
Matt (01:23:32.138)
Yeah. Um, okay. Fair enough. Um, Spencer, I think this is a question you should answer directly.
Luciano (01:23:34.398)
English patients in space.
Spencer (01:23:40.03)
I'm ready. Oh God. Too far.
Chris (01:23:41.016)
I shouldn't have lost Lizz!
Luciano (01:23:42.955)
HAHA
Luciano (01:23:46.586)
Jesus!
Matt (01:23:46.774)
Nope, too far. I'm just gonna bleep that in post probably. The whales with their space ambergris or the amrita, the brain juice.
Spencer (01:23:53.042)
Yep. Brendan Fraser's The Whale.
Spencer (01:23:58.795)
Yes.
Matt (01:24:00.874)
So they didn't know the brain juice was there before. They showed up and eventually found the brain juice. How many animals did they cut through? How much brain juice did they drink of other animals to get to this one? And potentially what were the side effects of other animals' brain juice? Brain juices, I guess. Juicy at nutshell.
Spencer (01:24:06.228)
Yes.
Luciano (01:24:10.862)
Ha ha ha!
Spencer (01:24:15.924)
other animals.
Spencer (01:24:22.738)
Yeah, brain juice-eye? I'd like to think that every animal's brain on Bandora has a different superpower or ability.
Luciano (01:24:26.222)
What? No.
Chris (01:24:35.704)
What can we learn from these indigenous animals? Huh.
Matt (01:24:36.256)
Nice.
Spencer (01:24:41.222)
We should drink their brains. Step one.
Luciano (01:24:43.526)
Hahaha
Chris (01:24:43.576)
That sounds like sound logic. Scientists, what do you think?
Luciano (01:24:49.05)
Just scientists. Ha ha ha! Science, what do you say? Aye!
Spencer (01:24:51.127)
Scientists really think, well, can't go wrong. When you drink their brains, you gain that knowledge. That's science.
Chris (01:24:59.06)
Okay, URAH!
Spencer (01:25:01.086)
Oorah!
Matt (01:25:01.394)
Hey, excuse me, we need our scientists to sound as boringly American as possible. We already have one crazy accent on this boat. We can't have two of the same.
Spencer (01:25:10.07)
Sorry. Well, as a scientist, I believe we should eat orangutan brain first, being as that is most human-like. Move our way to cats, eventually to whales. I assume one of them will cause us to be immortal. Sir, do you have evidence for this thesis? No, I do not, but I do wish to try the brains of every animal on this planet.
Luciano (01:25:11.61)
When?
Chris (01:25:12.536)
What kind of boat is this?
Matt (01:25:25.11)
Ha ha
Luciano (01:25:30.624)
Do you think?
Chris (01:25:30.89)
Yeah.
Chris (01:25:35.862)
Yeah.
Luciano (01:25:36.399)
Do you think they picked one of those flying creatures and tried to drink their brains to see if they could fly?
Chris (01:25:41.324)
makes perfect sense. That makes perfect sense. Where have you been all this time? Here's several billion dollars for a grant. Yes. Treat this man like a king.
Spencer (01:25:43.102)
You sound like a, sir, you sound like a scientist. You're on the team. Did you get your PhD where I did?
Luciano (01:25:46.841)
Thank you, sir. I appreciate this opportunity.
Luciano (01:25:53.998)
Here's a million dollars.
Spencer (01:25:56.859)
I mean, it's the same.
technology that they I'm just gonna assume it's the same technology that they used to put their brains in navis I don't know if that makes any sense but I'm gonna go I'm gonna say that so obviously when they first designed the navis in order to understand how to make a suit that can be controlled by humans they'd have to taste the Navi brain as is tradition it's called the scientific method I believe
Chris (01:26:06.064)
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Matt (01:26:08.558)
It doesn't, but continue.
Luciano (01:26:10.66)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:26:23.438)
Hahaha
Matt (01:26:24.379)
Okay.
Matt (01:26:29.302)
Oh. Well you gotta taste the Navi Brain at least three times then if you're following the scientific method properly.
Spencer (01:26:33.152)
Yes, well that's step one. Yeah. This one seems to make you want to eat the brains of other animals. Hmm. Yeah.
Luciano (01:26:33.166)
Yeah. And don't forget to write down your observations.
Matt (01:26:36.785)
Of course.
Okay.
Luciano (01:26:44.014)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:26:48.098)
Yeah, it's very everything is symbiotic and in Pandora that makes sense. It's like the circle of life, the circle of life and brain drinking.
Spencer (01:26:56.895)
Sounds like a beautiful, beautiful story.
Matt (01:26:57.451)
I'll allow it.
Chris (01:26:58.464)
Life finds a way.
power finds, ultimate power finds a way.
Spencer (01:27:02.7)
So.
Matt (01:27:02.999)
I've a-
Luciano (01:27:04.479)
Avatar 3, The Way of Brain Drinking.
Matt (01:27:07.126)
This, this does lead into a question I had. And so if Spencer's already answered it, you guys can answer it. Yeah, honestly, I was wondering how the RDA, the resource distribution development administration, who knows what they're called, how did they figure out how to make anybody just into an avi? Cause they, it was like, they made the bodies and they had like the, the giving, the giving tree, let Jake Sully jump.
Luciano (01:27:12.628)
It does?
Spencer (01:27:19.606)
development.
Matt (01:27:36.626)
into the body full time. But now we just have Quarters in the game, they're just like full on Navis. Right? There's no nothing.
Luciano (01:27:42.946)
Yeah. You're just like, here's, here's a USB stick with your brain. Just shove it up your ass. And now you're.
Chris (01:27:46.884)
They grew those bodies.
Matt (01:27:48.303)
Have a good time.
Spencer (01:27:50.244)
First things first, I'm gonna need to taste your brain. We gotta start there. As you know.
Chris (01:27:52.868)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:27:53.627)
Hahahaha
Chris (01:27:59.536)
Before this, this conversation will not proceed until you pick up that spoon and let me get a taste.
Luciano (01:28:08.92)
Yeah.
Spencer (01:28:09.135)
I'm gonna need a pee stool and brain sample. Too much. In a nondescript order.
Matt (01:28:12.686)
Hehehehe
Chris (01:28:13.099)
In my mouth, in my mouth.
Luciano (01:28:14.972)
I'm gonna I'm gonna eat two out of those three
Chris (01:28:18.256)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Matt (01:28:18.459)
Gross so gross
Chris (01:28:22.412)
And let me tell you, it's happening.
Matt (01:28:27.678)
No, no thank you. Spencer, continue.
Spencer (01:28:27.965)
Okay.
Chris (01:28:28.645)
With or without your consent?
Spencer (01:28:31.106)
Hehehehe
Matt (01:28:32.748)
That's like this podcast. Let's bet our answers question.
Chris (01:28:33.92)
Uh, sorry, go ahead.
Spencer (01:28:35.81)
Um, yeah, so obviously once that's done, they can move on. I think once they saw that Jake's, uh, brain was able to be fully. I was going to say fully dilated, fully, uh, put into the body of the. Avatar. Once they do, that was possible, even though it was done through, uh, space magic, they, they just needed to do some backwards engineering. So.
Luciano (01:28:48.726)
uploaded.
Matt (01:28:48.814)
Shoest.
Chris (01:28:51.094)
I don't know.
Matt (01:29:05.046)
You just said a lot of words, but didn't provide any context.
Spencer (01:29:07.208)
No, no, no.
Luciano (01:29:08.343)
So they tried, they killed a bunch of people to try and make it work.
Spencer (01:29:11.214)
Yeah. Basically, taste of their brains. And with every, as every scientist knows.
Matt (01:29:13.654)
Tasted their brains. Okay.
Luciano (01:29:18.392)
Yeah. No, there you go. Here's what the problem was. They kept trying without tasting the brains and then it didn't work. And then when one of them was like, we're eating whale brain, let's just try. Yes, yes, let's use all of that. We were already eating whale brain. Let's eat Navienus. Maybe that will give us an idea. And it worked.
Chris (01:29:25.834)
Oh, anus.
Spencer (01:29:40.798)
And then they did that, but they grabbed the wrong cup and they accidentally ate the brains. They said, wait, this is Navienus?
Chris (01:29:44.912)
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Luciano (01:29:45.318)
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Matt (01:29:47.65)
Mmm. Mm-hmm.
Chris (01:29:48.784)
This ass, they said, wait a minute, this is the best ass I've ever tasted.
Luciano (01:29:49.026)
It was like penicillin, it was.
Spencer (01:29:55.934)
Wait...
Matt (01:29:55.978)
You know folks, you ask all our questions and you... I'm surprised we don't get here more often to be honest.
Luciano (01:29:56.851)
You... you... it was... It was like... it was like penicillin all over again. A happy accident.
Chris (01:29:57.296)
I'm so grateful!
Spencer (01:30:00.418)
Hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe
Did you mess with my Navienus? Don't do that!
Chris (01:30:06.072)
Because whatever you did, thank you. Can I have another? Sorry, sir.
Luciano (01:30:12.705)
That is one delectable rectum.
Matt (01:30:15.499)
No, I think we've nailed it.
Spencer (01:30:18.899)
Navienus is a delicacy on Pandora, okay?
Chris (01:30:21.532)
ready to eat ass until I felt pay dirt but y'all just helped me out thank you
Spencer (01:30:24.322)
Hehehehe
Luciano (01:30:27.386)
Hahahaha
Spencer (01:30:30.478)
With them one... sorry. Thank you.
Matt (01:30:30.942)
Hey, side question. Just unrelated to, how does Kiri have powers?
Chris (01:30:32.356)
Yeah
Luciano (01:30:32.751)
Ha ha!
Chris (01:30:36.093)
Yeah.
Aw man. See what you eat.
Spencer (01:30:41.598)
Nope. Done. She's both 14 and 70. Be careful.
Chris (01:30:42.064)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Luciano (01:30:42.764)
No. No!
Matt (01:30:43.598)
Chris?
Luciano (01:30:51.607)
That's true.
Matt (01:30:51.69)
Yeah. She has the voice of a seven year old in her 14 year old body.
Chris (01:30:55.76)
That's a lot of ass.
Luciano (01:30:56.634)
Oh no, why did you have to say it that way?
Chris (01:31:00.604)
That's a lot of ass. She smoked menthols. Okay. That's a good start.
Matt (01:31:04.162)
So that's how she got powers?
Spencer (01:31:06.921)
Yeah, gaze closed.
Luciano (01:31:08.026)
So that's what happened. No, that's what happened. Grace smoked a lot of menthols in the 70s because she was alive 100 years before. I don't know how. Yeah. And then that caused, you know, her avatar to develop special powers. I have no idea. Sure.
Chris (01:31:15.102)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, what do you guys think, move science?
Matt (01:31:16.386)
Jesus.
Matt (01:31:24.75)
Isn't this movie in the future?
Spencer (01:31:26.282)
Yes. Yeah. You just stop, stop that nonsense. I just like the idea of like her like hurt. Can you imagine like, obviously the Navi don't know any of this, but like imagine they find out that she has powers and someone's like to Jake being like, our, our child was, where this that we are adopted child was born of immaculate conception and now has magical powers and has a following and is growing and starting a resistance. And he's like,
Chris (01:31:26.648)
Well in the past... In the past, sheep's folk.
Luciano (01:31:30.958)
It's the 2170s, okay?
Chris (01:31:32.837)
Ayyyy! Vape.
Matt (01:31:37.902)
Sure.
Spencer (01:31:55.338)
This all seems mighty familiar. He's like, uh.
Luciano (01:31:58.138)
Yeah, only instead of walking on water she stands underwater staring at sand. Same same.
Chris (01:32:03.568)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Spencer (01:32:04.089)
Yeah, yeah, and he's just like, I just imagine being like, why does this all sound so familiar? It's just like. Yeah, exactly.
Luciano (01:32:09.082)
Hahaha
Matt (01:32:09.758)
And then he's like, I got it, Star Wars.
Chris (01:32:14.905)
Yes.
Luciano (01:32:15.2)
So her name from henceforth is Kiri Skywalker.
Chris (01:32:18.064)
Mm-hmm spider rolls up puts his arm around the neck. What's up future daddy? Hit that Natalia mommy, do you still love me?
Matt (01:32:18.838)
Yeah, that's correct.
Luciano (01:32:24.378)
Hmm. Heh heh heh.
Can I?
Luciano (01:32:32.331)
What is what is happening with spider is he is he breathing now like Pandora air is that what happened with him?
Matt (01:32:33.389)
This is getting weird again.
Chris (01:32:38.969)
Yes?
Spencer (01:32:40.502)
character was so dumb sorry so spider
Luciano (01:32:42.438)
Which one? Okay.
Matt (01:32:46.175)
So I'm going to segue out of this then and go into answering what we thought about the movie if we're... No? Okay.
Luciano (01:32:48.637)
Hahaha!
Spencer (01:32:50.994)
No, she had powers. Because.
Chris (01:32:52.368)
Uh huh.
Chris (01:32:56.132)
Radiation.
Spencer (01:32:58.131)
I think somebody injected that avatar with embryo that is actually enhanced via... No, this is my own theory. Because I think it would be stupid if it's just like fucking like god children or some like stupid fucking spiritual bullshit.
Chris (01:33:04.409)
orangutan.
Matt (01:33:06.692)
to read this on the internet.
Luciano (01:33:10.426)
They, they.
Matt (01:33:11.064)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (01:33:19.598)
Well, I'm sure that that's what's gonna, that's gonna be the plot of the third movie, I think.
Chris (01:33:22.136)
You're on to something.
Spencer (01:33:25.546)
Yeah, it's going to be like A was child, but I'd rather be like it was actually an engineered weapon that was created by the Earth people.
Chris (01:33:36.992)
Interesting. I thought you were going to go in a different direction.
Spencer (01:33:40.207)
I didn't know what direction I was going in.
Chris (01:33:41.844)
I know what direction you were gonna go in until you went in a different one. But the direction you were gonna go in was that she was, well, the embryo was injected with amber, amaryta, grease.
Luciano (01:33:44.299)
He went in a direction and he doesn't know what direction that is.
Spencer (01:33:46.526)
What direction was I going in, Chris?
Luciano (01:33:55.094)
Emrida. That's what I thought too. Yeah. That's what I thought is like they
Spencer (01:33:58.602)
Oh, combine two separate story plot points into one? Can you do that? Not a chance, no, those don't affect each other.
Chris (01:34:03.504)
Hmm.
Luciano (01:34:04.331)
Yeah.
Matt (01:34:04.494)
It's dumb. No, not change camera movies.
Luciano (01:34:11.287)
This makes way too much sense and it's too tight. Let's leave it alone.
Spencer (01:34:15.286)
That'd be kinda cool.
Chris (01:34:16.4)
Because if it creates immortality, what would it do in an immaculate conception, successful immaculate conception?
Luciano (01:34:20.294)
to, yeah.
Luciano (01:34:24.074)
I mean, they still have to explain how the fuck that happened. And I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure that the reason why she got married, married pregnant.
Spencer (01:34:24.31)
No, it, no, it's... No, but no, that was part of it.
Chris (01:34:33.336)
Married to Awa, married to Awa.
Matt (01:34:34.338)
Wow.
Luciano (01:34:38.312)
I think that the reason behind her pregnancy is the same why Kiri has powers and I think that's going to be the plot of the third movie and it's going to suck ass but you know.
Chris (01:34:47.364)
Kiri has powers.
Spencer (01:34:47.802)
Yeah, it's gonna be, we know what it is, right? We know what the real reason is. Because, okay, Sigourney Weaver in the last movie, if you recall, died, but was like put into the tree, or like connected into the tree when she was dying. So her consciousness, not her consciousness, basically she was like reincarnated into her avatar. So it's really like a reincarnation of her.
Chris (01:34:50.892)
Well, you say yours and then I'll say mine.
Luciano (01:34:51.562)
Uh oh. We do?
Luciano (01:34:58.991)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (01:35:04.492)
Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.
Chris (01:35:06.052)
I don't remember.
Luciano (01:35:16.794)
So it is Star Wars.
Spencer (01:35:17.59)
DNA. Mitochondria, etc.
Matt (01:35:19.479)
Told ya.
Luciano (01:35:21.743)
Mitochondria? Not even, not even midichlorians, Mitochondria. HAHAHAHAHA
Chris (01:35:23.412)
Not even. Photosynthesis, chlorophyll. I thought you were gonna, I see the reason, I like your theory. My theory is Kiri has powers for the same reason that people marry trees.
Matt (01:35:24.75)
Navi ass.
Spencer (01:35:25.382)
Merylcony we have. Post-synthesis.
You've... you got it.
Spencer (01:35:41.066)
Scientologist.
Chris (01:35:41.976)
No, it's the truth. Yes. People, people, there are people who marry trees.
Matt (01:35:42.542)
Dendrophilia?
Luciano (01:35:46.002)
Oh, I mean they all...
Spencer (01:35:50.342)
Yeah, what, are you insulting my wife?
Luciano (01:35:50.538)
Yeah. And in Pandora, in Pandora, they fuck trees.
Chris (01:35:52.564)
I'm not insulting him, I'm saying that's why. I'm saying that's why Kiri has powers. The planet...
Spencer (01:35:59.18)
My wife, Maple, is a beautiful young sapling.
Chris (01:36:02.46)
That's not, it's not an insult. I'm saying this is why Kerry has powers.
Luciano (01:36:06.728)
I bleed her dry every time I need some syrup.
Matt (01:36:09.878)
I don't want to be here anymore, so we're moving on. We've gotten, I don't know what he said, but I reserved the right to hate it.
Spencer (01:36:12.43)
I was having a good time till whatever Luciano just said.
Luciano (01:36:16.364)
Ha ha!
Spencer (01:36:19.155)
Hehehehe
Luciano (01:36:20.828)
You'll hear it.
Chris (01:36:20.912)
I literally got my ass up and I walked away from this goddamn microphone. God damn it. That was something
Matt (01:36:26.546)
Let's talk about our review of this movie. We're going to rank this in our patented, uh, unique scale of... tiers? S is the highest tier, F is the lowest tier. There's a bunch of letters in between. We invented this. No one else has ever used it before.
Luciano (01:36:34.735)
Unique. Yes.
Chris (01:36:39.457)
It won't be there.
Spencer (01:36:46.452)
Mm-hmm.
Luciano (01:36:46.502)
original patented rating system.
Matt (01:36:50.178)
Come at us, Japan, everybody.
Luciano (01:36:52.093)
Everybody.
Spencer (01:36:52.99)
Why why Japan why Japan why would you be so specific? I just figure out a random country Yeah, I get you
Matt (01:36:56.522)
I was just picking a country, I don't know. Pick a random country that may use it in their video games. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're Canadian, come out of Japan. Yeah. Anyways, we're gonna rank this movie. Let's just focus on that. I'm gonna randomly select a person to rank this movie. Well, let's go with Spencer. He's always fun.
Luciano (01:37:00.63)
We were talking about Pearl Harbor earlier and yeah, there you go. I got, I got you. I got you.
Spencer (01:37:19.038)
That is not true. I, um, okay.
Chris (01:37:25.496)
You can do it.
Spencer (01:37:25.782)
Based beyond what we said, this movie is fine. It's like, like I said, it's like the Avatar first movie where it's like, when you see it, you're entertained and you enjoy it, but then it's like very forgettable and it seems so hollow. But that being said, I remember like when I saw it, I was like, I was like, oh, I left being like, that was fun, could have been shorter, should have been shorter, but for as...
boring and stale and predictable as the story is. There's a lot of cool visuals and coolish ideas. So because of that, I give this film a B.
Luciano (01:38:11.347)
What the fuck is wrong with your face?
Spencer (01:38:13.669)
I know. I'm like really on the fence. I'm gonna say I'm between a B and a C, and now I'm committed.
Matt (01:38:14.047)
Wow. Okay.
Matt (01:38:19.99)
Well, you're committed.
No, sorry, we're committing you for the letter you picked. I'm sorry that got confusing. All right, that's probably the high. So let's go to what I assume is the low with Chris.
Luciano (01:38:25.289)
Yeah. Comedian to the fucking loony bin is what we're doing.
Spencer (01:38:28.093)
Oh god, who's at my door? No, no.
Spencer (01:38:35.845)
Hehehehe
Chris (01:38:37.904)
This movie is an E for excessively exhausting. I think this title, the only reason why it's not an F is because of the CG and special effects alone, alone. This movie was also, I'm almost ready to yield my time. This movie was a terrible, terrible display of parenting. It really, it sensed me.
Spencer (01:38:43.298)
to ease.
Luciano (01:38:52.922)
Say it one more time. Thank you.
Spencer (01:38:55.583)
alone
Matt (01:38:55.734)
I think.
Chris (01:39:06.076)
I also think that the movie was wrong. This movie was called, actually should have been called, Avatar Way of Deadbeat Daddies. I don't think anybody should, no, you're a stretch. You're a stretch Armstrong. I think people should not bother, get high and watch this movie, and then you'll be as happy as Carrie was in the water. I'm done.
Spencer (01:39:15.682)
That was quite a stretch.
Spencer (01:39:20.598)
I'm sorry.
Luciano (01:39:26.254)
Now fucking hell can you imagine watching this movie high? It will feel like seven hours.
Matt (01:39:31.514)
Oh, that's not true. It might be like gone in an instant. Depends how high you get.
Luciano (01:39:33.626)
Two.
Spencer (01:39:34.77)
No, he's right. No, no, you'd be really high and he's like, you'd love the first 45 minutes. Like, and then like, and then he'd like, you'd start to be like kinda, and then by like, by two hours in, you're like melting, you're melting into the chair.
Luciano (01:39:39.662)
Hahaha!
Chris (01:39:39.876)
Do you?
Chris (01:39:46.456)
You're brain dead. Man.
Luciano (01:39:48.234)
You're not high anymore. That's how long it took. Yeah.
Spencer (01:39:50.922)
Like, let's be real, we'd all pass out if we were high watching this. You'd fucking pass out in the theater.
Chris (01:39:55.197)
Hahaha!
Luciano (01:39:56.282)
Hahahaha!
Matt (01:39:57.182)
I assume that I would be high for the first 45 minutes the movement be paused. I'd be like, oh, strategic scene.
Chris (01:39:58.undefined)
If you...
Luciano (01:40:04.154)
Just looking at like, like a still, yeah.
Spencer (01:40:05.582)
It's very experimental film.
Chris (01:40:07.136)
If y'all want to, if y'all, anyone listening wants to get some, a good night of sleep, watch this.
Matt (01:40:07.231)
Yeah, yeah.
Matt (01:40:14.438)
Okay, that's a great way, time to segue to Luciano's review.
Luciano (01:40:16.61)
Yeah. All right. I was just going to say before I do my reviews, like, I think we found a way to make Chris hate any movies, just if there's like a shitty parent, it's an immediate like D or lower for him. Yeah. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Anyway. So like, there was like, even though it was stupid long and it didn't have to be that long, it was still kind of fun. It's like the story is non-existent.
Chris (01:40:28.068)
Megan was one. That pissed me off, but anyways.
Matt (01:40:33.386)
Mm... Mm-hmm.
Luciano (01:40:44.27)
The CG is beautiful, but in 2023 isn't as impressive as it is in 2009. And like, I actually liked this movie a little bit more than before we talked about it. I'll be honest, like it's not, yeah. There's a lot of like problems and it's, the characters are paper thin and the story is not there and it makes no sense.
Chris (01:40:59.48)
You're welcome.
Luciano (01:41:12.99)
I still did enjoy parts of it, so I'm going to give it a C. I wouldn't watch it again, but I don't necessarily... I thought I was going to regret watching it entirely, but I didn't. So it's a C for me.
Chris (01:41:25.936)
Do you regret... Almost. Or do you regret preparing for the third Avatar?
Spencer (01:41:33.471)
Hehehehehe
Luciano (01:41:33.872)
I already regret having to watch the third Amateur movie, yes.
Spencer (01:41:38.562)
We should have an over under on how long it'll be and how many times they'll say, bro.
Chris (01:41:40.722)
Oh man.
Chris (01:41:45.232)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Luciano (01:41:45.822)
and cuz. Yeah. Oh, no.
Spencer (01:41:47.138)
Because and will they say Riz?
Chris (01:41:51.267)
Oh, and will spider take his battlefield earth white dreads and lock them into a pony too?
Matt (01:41:58.486)
All I know is that Spider is going to be John Travolta in the third movie. Yeah. Um, I will give a score to this movie. I didn't care for the runtime. I thought James, James Cameron used it as his tech demo in a way that was boring because we've seen this tech demo many, many years ago, the story was pointless. I really enjoyed how bad it was. So we'd have lots to talk about in this podcast. Looked pretty.
Chris (01:42:01.58)
Yes. Yeah. Lots of, lots of dancing.
Spencer (01:42:02.263)
Battlefield, Battlefield Bandora.
Luciano (01:42:03.04)
He's gonna be the protagonist of the next movie.
Luciano (01:42:18.338)
Hehehehe
Luciano (01:42:24.177)
hahahaha
Matt (01:42:25.654)
You know, like his military stuff looked cool. Everything had a good feel in that respect and design of like the world and the different tribes. Yeah, it's fun. He did a good job on that stuff. But he forgets about story. And I think one of the reasons why this is so popular is that the story is so basic, no one can be mad at it because it doesn't do anything. And that's why people go and watch because they just get their brain just flat lines. Everyone just turns everything off. Ooh, look at the pretty colors for three hours. And you come out and it's like, wait, did I like that movie? Why didn't I just watch? So.
Luciano (01:42:42.29)
Don't have to pay attention to it.
Spencer (01:42:42.377)
I can be.
Luciano (01:42:51.258)
Yeah.
I think you just nailed it, Matt. I think that's exactly what it is.
Matt (01:42:56.478)
Yeah. And so like that's a C movie to me. That is just it's right down, running the mill. It wasn't bad. It wasn't good. Should I, do I want three hours back? I was okay. I've watched worse movies clearly on this podcast. Um, and I'll ever watch it again because it, why would I? I'll watch it again when I watch Avatar 3.
Luciano (01:43:04.055)
Yeah?
Luciano (01:43:10.227)
Hahaha!
Chris (01:43:16.633)
What?
Luciano (01:43:17.287)
I won't. I fucking- I fucking won't.
Spencer (01:43:17.814)
It was really eye-opening for me when I, because I watched this in theaters and I didn't want to watch it again because it's three fucking hours long. And I was bored watching a 12 minute recap of this movie.
Luciano (01:43:28.262)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Matt (01:43:28.54)
Ha ha.
Chris (01:43:29.612)
Thank you. That's the best add-on review I've ever heard.
Luciano (01:43:36.147)
This is true. This movie is so boring at 12 minute recap is boring.
Chris (01:43:38.873)
Yeah
Spencer (01:43:39.918)
No, I was just like, I was like, it was like, and then he goes to the water and goes to find a whale. And then he rides the whale and he comes back and they're mad at him for having the whale. I was like, oh my God, is this what actually happened in this movie? I was like, this is fucking, I'm six minutes in.
Matt (01:43:50.412)
It sure is.
Chris (01:43:50.884)
The visual?
Luciano (01:43:54.001)
If you try to explain this movie story to anybody they'll go why did you watch this?
Spencer (01:43:59.622)
Yeah, yeah, it's...
Chris (01:43:59.736)
And the video, the visual that you're recreating for me when you talk about having to watch that 12 minute recap was like when Kiri jacked into the water tree and seized up.
Luciano (01:44:15.225)
It's like this Chris is saying this movie is so bad it made me wish for a seizure This is that's it. That's gonna be in the VHS box, too No, that's what you said
Chris (01:44:19.004)
I- well, that's- that's what you said. That's not what I said. It could go on the bus, but that's- that's yours, Luciano.
Matt (01:44:20.502)
Wow.
Matt (01:44:24.206)
That's fine. Put it on the box.
Matt (01:44:30.335)
My minus daddy wanted his fuckbox. So that's I'm good with that
Chris (01:44:31.92)
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
Spencer (01:44:32.944)
Hehehehehe
Luciano (01:44:35.319)
again he got him so yeah
Chris (01:44:36.601)
Got him!
Matt (01:44:36.894)
Yeah. Um, we've, we've done it. We've completed this, this episode of the podcast. We've made it through Avatar, way the water we condensed it. Yeah. Instead of watching that movie, listen to this podcast twice. That'll be a better use of your time somehow covered. We got the
Luciano (01:44:42.538)
and it didn't even take three hours.
Chris (01:44:44.272)
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Luciano (01:44:48.686)
Hahaha
Spencer (01:44:49.458)
We recapped it pretty well.
Chris (01:44:52.376)
We created a whole new game that was more enjoyable than this. The sad Worthington game, remember?
Matt (01:44:58.908)
We certainly cover the most important bits, I'm sure of it.
Luciano (01:45:02.742)
Yeah, let's leave it at that.
Spencer (01:45:04.074)
All I remember as talking mode is brain juice. Heheheheheheh
Matt (01:45:06.574)
That's all you need to know about this movie.
Luciano (01:45:07.191)
There you go. That's really what it's all about.
Matt (01:45:10.618)
We are moving into the month of December. We're going to do some weird stuff in December, just some changing of things, just to make it interesting. We're getting weird. Um, first thing we're going to do is we're going to watch a movie that I don't believe is going to fall into any of the facts categories. It's Christmas themed. We're going to watch, uh, Netflix's. I believe in Santa.
Spencer (01:45:16.482)
We're getting weird.
Spencer (01:45:26.033)
Oh baby.
Spencer (01:45:33.836)
Oh no.
Luciano (01:45:34.038)
I mean...
Chris (01:45:35.84)
Oh yes.
Matt (01:45:36.146)
It is Netflix's version of a Hallmark romance movie.
Spencer (01:45:36.866)
I don't think I agreed to this.
Luciano (01:45:39.65)
No, we actually decided this in your absence.
Spencer (01:45:41.946)
I'm realizing that now. Oh no. What a huge mistake.
Chris (01:45:43.078)
No.
Luciano (01:45:44.554)
hahahaha
Matt (01:45:46.054)
This is what happens when you go away, we take matters into our own hands. The upshot is this is probably only an hour and a half, so it'll be less time wasted on your behalf than that. Will it though? We'll find out. That's the first thing we're doing in December, so keep following with us. We have other things planned. I think we're gonna go to the theater and watch a movie. I'm not gonna tell you which one yet, but...
Luciano (01:45:49.439)
Yeah.
Spencer (01:45:57.318)
It'll feel longer, believe me.
Chris (01:45:59.832)
Gangbusters!
Luciano (01:46:09.782)
Whaaaaat? Social interaction? What is this?
Matt (01:46:13.938)
I don't know, we'll probably get COVID from doing it, but we'll try it anyways. Don't invoke the evil words. But yeah, next week we will be doing, I Believe in Santa. It is on Netflix. It is about a woman who gets a new boyfriend and he loves Santa Christmas and she hates Christmas. So all the trimmings are there for a beautiful tale.
Spencer (01:46:15.79)
Don't worry, I'll wear a condom.
Luciano (01:46:16.154)
Hahahaha
Chris (01:46:16.6)
Don't invoke, don't invoke its name.
Chris (01:46:33.2)
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Spencer (01:46:34.142)
Wow, what a wacky adventure.
Luciano (01:46:35.498)
Oh, I... I have... I'm already relating to this woman.
Matt (01:46:39.31)
You this, this is you, this is you and your wife. I can tell. Okay. That's it for us. We will, hey, I'm trying to wrap this podcast up. Shut up. There's no brain juice, I assume in this movie. We'll find out. But next, we'll talk to you next week when we talk about, I believe in Santa.
Luciano (01:46:42.504)
Yeah, yeah, the Grinch's they call us.
Spencer (01:46:48.418)
Is there whale hunting in it? Sorry, I just need to know. Well then I'm out!
Luciano (01:46:57.701)
Hahaha
Chris (01:47:00.334)
Bye.
Chris (01:47:06.undefined)
brain juice. Bye!
Luciano (01:47:09.066)
A sea clan?!
Spencer (01:47:10.594)
I'm sorry.