Good to Know: Brian Patchett

Paul Reiser and Jeff Beimfohr talk with Brian Patchett, CEO of Louisiana Association for the Blind, about helping the blind or visually impaired adjust and learn ways to improve their lifestyles.

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So, Mr.

Reeser, one more time, as always, do
the special honors on our special guest.

Thanks, Jeff. It's always an honor read.

You're such a good mood.
I must have enjoyed your little vacation.

I did. I mean, I'm sure.

I'm sorry.
I forgot to let you know. I'm glad

I did okay by myself last week,
but I miss you.

But, you know, I'm glad to have you back.

I promise you, that was the first time
anyone's ever said that to me.

I'm not. I'm not.

And say I'm surprised,
but today, man, a really good one.

Really kind of near and dear to my heart.

Because if you listening on the podcast,
you may not know that I wear glasses

and without my glasses
I can't see a thing.

I'm like Velma from Scooby Doo.

I'm rich, I'm filling around
on the ground, but with glasses I see.

Pretty good.

But they're just.
That's the point. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, you know, but thousands
of thousands of people in the area,

even with best correction,
they're still legally blind.

Some folks can't see at all.

And there's so many challenges in the life
that I never even realized

were such challenges
just living day to day finding work.

How do you learn how to get around?

But I found out a lot of interesting
information from today's guest.

I'm getting to a job. I wondered.

I wondered if there was any introduction
anywhere in our future.

So there's amazing organization
here in town up

to date with the newest technologies
how to Help People Get work.

It's the Louisiana Association
for the Blind,

and today
we have the President and CEO, Mr.

Brian Patchett.

Bryan, Thank you for having me here.

This is great.
I didn't forget you were over there.

I just wanted people to understand how
important this work that you do is first.

Wait, wait. First of all,
he did forget you were there.

No, I saw him.

I got the glasses on.

But man, you're an awesome guy.

I really enjoyed conversation.

Our conversation. Our conversation.

But tell me a little bit about what you do
with the association for the Bond.

Well, I have a wonderful job.

I'm the president CEO of Louisiana
Association for the Blind.

And so I get to work
with all the things that we do there,

including providing direct services
to people who are blind.

Our manufacturing are our great staff.

It's a wonderful experience to be the CEO
of such a wonderful organization.

So tell us about all the things that go on
with that organization.

Well, they always say
there's three major things that we do.

And so first off,
we provide direct services to people

who are blind or visually impaired,

and that we serve upwards of about
3000 people throughout our community here,

that that means
if somebody becomes visually impaired

or blind, we have a program
to help them to adjust to that blindness.

We can help them
learn how to get around their house,

how to get around the community,
how to access wonderful technology

that will read stuff to use.

They can listen to it, or it'll help you
to navigate through the community,

access your life again,
and really be reconnected.

So we do that and that initiative.

But in as I often do
now you're used to it.

That grabbed my attention
because something we don't think

about a lot of times, as you said,
people become visually impaired.

So a person might be going along
being fine

and then a disease or an accident
or something happened

and they lose their sight and a lot of
people don't know where do I even go?

How do I begin to adapt?

So one thing that you told me yesterday
that was

that was super cool is
you said your mission

is to help people with visual disabilities
become more independent every day.

Every day, Yeah.

So why is that
such an important statement to you?

Because given all the technology,
all of the things that we have access to

as people who are blind
or visually impaired, there's

no reason that any of that any of us
can't live a completely independent life.

And a lot of it is just learning
how to read.

You know, we come into the community,
into your house,

and once you start to do that,
you realize I can do most things and

and still access things,
still work, do all the things that I did.

A lot of folks
now I have a visual disability,

so now I can't do anything anymore.
We help people too.

Yeah.

So, yeah, you know, we can still do
great things and keep going forward.

Well, you speak from experience
because it's hard

to tell walking around with you,
but you're legally blind as well, right?

I am.

I've been visually impaired
since I was seven.

I, uh, it basically
it contracted a genetic type of a thing

called Star Guards.

And so I became legally blind to seven.

And, you know, over the years,
as I get older,

my vision has gotten a little bit worse.

It keeps keeps happening.

But again, I had to learn how to do that
and make that transition.

As a kid, how do you go from being a kid
that need to be to get around

to all the fun things you are
and how do you make that change?

And thankfully
there were people at that point

that were able to help me
make that change over.

Can you tell us about some of the
what you talk about, the technology

that that that's available to help out
visually impaired folks tell us?

Yeah. So you think about your phone.

Everybody uses the office
that we're connected to our phones

and I use an iPhone eight.

iPhone
has something called voiceover on it.

So I can and it will speak everything
that's on the screen, everything I touch

and all of that will do that.

I can also use zoomed in large stuff
on the screen.

I can change the colors
or contrast on that.

If I was a Braille user,
I could output stuff to Braille from

just from that phone.

And the same thing is true
with our computers

or with any devices that we're using.

There is accessibility

either built in or that we can add to that
through our technology center.

And so that that's one thing.

The second thing is also navigation.

You think about people are blind
using canes or using a dog to help them

get around.

But today, with with technology,
especially with like with A.I.,

all of a sudden we've got the ability
to navigate either wearing something

that has a camera, that look that that
helps you to see or even using your phone.

And just not only,
you know, the GPS stuff that we all use

to get around, you know, navigate
with our cars, but also real time.

What is in front of you
that you could trip on?

That's what we're getting with
with our AI. So it's exciting.

So I hate A.I., but I

think it ought
to be scrapped and thrown in the garbage.

But now you're telling me about a use
for it that is actually really beneficial.

Mm hmm.

Yeah, it really is.

You actually wear,
like, a headset VR headset.

Or you could
you could just have something you clipped

to your glasses or something.

Or you could use,
like I said, even your phone

with the camera on your phone,
you can do that as well.

And it's just because A.I.

in this case is

just it's just taking tons of data
that it has access to very quickly

being able to help.

And so we're seeing

that really significant advances of speed,
even just almost on a weekly basis.

And I'm like you, I'm
a little concerned about what I mean.

But but when I see what that does
is that that that makes sense to me.

And I guess the first person comes

comes to your facility
and they're like, Oh, I got a diagnosis.

I'm losing, I'm losing my vision.

I can't work an iPhone.

I hate.

I like, say, Jeff really had a problem.

There's there's no more questions
and you're one of them.

But oh, God, continue

some more

old fashioned things
that are still that you're still using

that are helping people get around
they don't even think about.

Yeah.

I mean, I think that's low tech
to high tech, anything.

So somebody might
just be losing their sight

and we might say, you know, here's

just kind of a handheld magnifier
you can start out with here's a clock

that'll talk to you or has larger
numbers or larger display on it.

So, I mean, there's

there's all kinds of things, low
tech like that that you can use or

or even electronic or digital magnifier
that aren't very big that you can put over

or over top of a piece of paper
that are read to you.

I really like something
called a closed circuit TV.

We hear about that kind of technology
for a long time,

but it gives you the ability
just to slide your book

or a piece of paper underneath it
and on the screen,

have it in large and just read

what's on the screen
and show you what you're talking about.

People that aren't totally blind.

Yeah, right.

I mean, the read the spectrum,
if you're totally blind, then

that's that's just different.

But still, you could start with low tech,
something that talks.

That's the first thing.

I mean, how many of us getting used to

now having something that speaks to us
that we talked to, you know?

Yeah. And yeah, okay.

So there are degrees of blindness, right?

Absolutely.

Yeah. I mean,
there is your definition of status.

But you said you mentioned it's But yeah,

so, you know, legal blindness is easiest
way to think of is 20 year

vision 20 2020 over 200
and that is best corrected.

And so there are some folks
whose vision is like between 2120 200

who also benefit from what we do.

But that's the legal
definition is 20 over 200.

And then beyond that, you know how
your vision goes and it is beyond that.

And some folks

have anywhere from that

to just maybe a little bit
of light perception or total blindness.

And then where your your organization,
your facilities,

they're actually it's
not just a little office.

You've got giant warehouses
because you guys are employing

you're employing folks.

I know that's a big problem with people.

If you can't see, like,
where are you going to work?

Yeah,
I can't all be CEOs like you, which to me

though, is is it great
because he speaks from experience?

Yeah, I was definitely a blind CEO, but

the the opportunities

that you provide people for work
or helping them find work

so tell me some of the things that you do
at your facilities.

Yeah. What community?

Well, first thing is we help
people just get jobs in the community.

So through our our rehabilitation center
and we working on expanding that, that

that's part of our fundraising stuff
can talk about later.

But we
we help people get jobs in the community.

Second to that, we have two of the other
two parts of what we do

besides direct services is we operate
two based supply stores.

We operate Base supply store Barksdale
and at what is now Fort

Polk, right in Fort Johnson Johnson.

And so we provide the military
with everything but guns and bullets.

Uniforms are everything
that they need to be deployed.

And so we hire folks that have visual
disabilities and those who don't.

And and and that that's great
within that that that experience.

And then secondly, like you said,
we have two big warehouses.

We pretty we cut and distribute over

7000 tons of copy paper every year.

You know, any kind of size color
of those papers through contracts we have

with the federal government and also
commercially within our community here.

And so that that's, you know, roughly
75% of the people

who are working on those amazing machines
that take these big rolls of paper

and turn them into into copy paper are
people who are blind or visually impaired.

And it's something you don't even think
about getting done, right?

That's pretty cool. It's really great.

And then the second thing
is they get back with the military.

If you think about skateboard tape, right,
and the non skid stuff,

see it sometimes on stairs.

Well, we we custom
cut that and do that for the Navy

and for the Coast Guard
and other military folks.

And so you can imagine if you're on a,
you know, aircraft carrier,

all the water that gets onto those boats
that you have, people can slip.

And so forth.

We customize

and then

so they can put those on their ships
that, again,

roughly 75% of the people in there
who are working with those lasers

and all those machines are people
who are blind or visually impaired.

Those are great.

How did you guys get into that?

That's pretty cool.

Pretty cool job. It's great.

We go through something called the Ability
One program.

We're able to work
with the federal government

and get contracts with them to do that.

That all started back in 1937
and about ten years after we as as a as a

as a company, as an organization in 1926,
you have to you work with curious,

do you work with like local congresspeople
and stuff to get that stuff done?

We do.

We have great support

from our legislative folks, both state
and our local elected officials.

I was just in Washington, DC
about two weeks ago meeting with everybody

on the Hill there and very supportive,
appreciate all they're doing.

So can you buy stuff
locally for businesses?

I know you sell a ton, like you
said, to the Air Force and in government

contracts, but if a local business
wanted to buy a copy paper or so forth,

they can
they can absolutely go to our website,

they can talk to our sales team
and they can get access to that.

And so, you know we are L.A.

blind dot com and they can go to there
and see us see our

our materials that we're selling and

and also make an appointment
with our salespeople.

All right

so you just don't pass under
because always at the end

he says tell us
how to get in touch with you

in the middle of the

we've got bigger, better stuff toward
the end.

We're saving for the grand finale.

But no, I went
and checked out your website yesterday

and it was remarkable.

It was like going to Office Depot website.

You had you had markers and everything
that that had to do with office supplies.

And so a local person could go on there
for their business

that they want to support you.

And also you get a fair price, right?

It's good stuff.

Fair price.

And you're helping out
this local community.

Yeah. Okay. I'm interested.

So I assume blindness

hits people at different stages of life?

It has all different stages of life.

And when this happens, is it

is it always a gradual thing or is it just
when one day you see one day?

Right. That's a that's a great question.

So, yeah, we we serve we just started
serving children birth to three.

So so you have folks who are born children
who are born

with visual disabilities
as part of a genetic issue or something.

And so we're going to serve those kids.

You have people like me

who become visually impaired
as they get a little bit older as kids.

And then that can be a gradual experience
throughout their life

where they lose sight people who live
with type two diabetes and other things.

You we hear about that a lot.

Well, yeah, I'm starting to lose my vision
of getting shots in my eyes and

and that can be a gradual
or it can be quick

or sometimes people have an experience,
a traumatic experience, where maybe they

they somehow fall and hit their head.

Or I hate to say this, but,

you know, folks who've had gunshot wounds
and stuff and lost their vision.

So there's all kinds of ways
somebody can become visually impaired.

But we also know

that as we're getting older,
you know, your vision starts to change.

And sometimes, again,
there's the macula issues that take place.

And so let me point something out
here, Paul.

Did you notice that
before his last answer?

He said, that's a great question.
Did you notice that?

I did.

I just want to make sure you do that

because so, so rarely I hear people say
that when you ask a question.

So it really stood out.

But it was a good

question because I can't imagine
the just the anxiety.

If a person gets a diagnosis
and they I can say

when I can't find my glasses,
I'm panic stricken.

And I can't imagine to find out that
you're going to become completely blind.

How do you help
people with the psychological ash?

Is there a lot of depression
or how do you get people through that?

Yeah,
there's absolutely there's depression.

That was a great question. Thank you.

Oh, come on, come on, Come on. Here.

You said that on purpose.

That is more of it.

It really is.

Because any time you go through something
traumatic like that,

you're going to there's going to be a loss

and you're going to go
through the grieving process.

And so we provide counseling services.

We have a wonderful partnership
with with with us here and there.

Counselors of
that are just excellent to work with.

And and then those those of us
who already have experienced

that are also there to be helpful and say,
here's

my pair them up with someone
who just went through this a year ago.

So, you know,
this is seems terrible right now.

But here's what I went through and where
I'm at now, and that's also very helpful.

And we were talking before we started,
I had cataract surgery about a year ago

and you said that's something
that you might be doing, too.

And it might it might help you.

It might help me a little bit because I
you know, over the last couple of years,

I know my wife so funny because she said,
you know,

I know knew that when we got married
you were visually impaired.

But I didn't realize you're blind
because that night vision has gotten

okay,
you know, and and but I could tell there's

kind of a film over my eyes I thought
was just part of the age that's going on.

And I was I had a doctor about a month or
so ago and he said, you've got cataracts

and you need to go to a doctor
and get that done.

So I'm starting that process
of having my consultation tomorrow

and excited about that and I will tell you
that when I did that, I was

I don't get too worried
about most medical things,

but that scared me to death
when I did that.

I just didn't feel like I wanted somebody
messing around with my eyes.

But it went great.

So great.
Yeah. Good. You're glad to hear it.

I'm a little nervous,
but we'll see. Yeah, sure, I bet.

Well, Brian, you're so positive.

You know, we talked about the mental toll
that it takes on a lot of folks.

I'm sure the vast majority,
when they find out they have a problem.

But you're so positive
and so accomplished,

what is it that makes you so positive?

I mean, you're you're funny.
I talked to you on the phone.

You say we had a great time.

You come in here today, everybody's just
attracted to you because of your energy.

What is it that makes you so positive,
even in a rough situation?

That's it. I think about that a lot.

I started to say that was a great person,
that great.

That is a fair question.

Now, you know, first I attribute it
like that to my parents.

They they really were great
with me as a kid.

They let me try anything I wanted to do.

And that that that's significant.

They had a we had a great doctor who said,
what do my parents let him do it

every wants to, even if he wants to try
playing baseball, which I did.

And I couldn't really do very good
job of catching.

I could hit a little bit,
but that ended up playing other sports.

But, you know,

and that's helped me to just think,
you know, there's not anything I can't do.

And just just to have that attitude
and then of course, throughout my

my experience, I've been able to be around
lots of positive folks.

And my wife and family are great.

And I just, you know,
I just don't think of myself

as being visually impaired
most of the time.

I just,

you know,
sometimes if I trip over something going

and my vision is getting worse,
but it's just not something

that's in my brain going,
oh, you got to be careful all the time.

You're visually impaired.

I just think, how am I going to do this?
Am I going to do that?

And I don't worry about beyond that.

Well, Paul trips over stuff all the time.

I tripped over that cable trying
to get it out of your way, coming in here,

like, watch out for that cable.

So. So, yeah, you you guide people at all

different stages of their
you do disability I guess, right?

So yeah, Yeah.

So I know you guys do a lot of things
at the community to, to bring awareness

and to raise funds.

What are, what are some things that you do
year later that you might use that

to bring to people
that they can come and attend or support?

Yeah, I appreciate that question.
This is a pretty good one.

There was great.

I didn't really I thought it.

I know. So.

So we have really at this point
three fundraisers.

We do Braille and Brew,
which is an annual fundraiser over seven.

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We were Braille and Braille and brew.

So we
we combined food and great craft beer.

And we have people come in
and they they sit down.

We put a blindfold on them
and they get to taste the food

and try to think about what am I eating
without seeing it, or then taste the beer.

Say, What is this beer tastes like?

And it's a great ability
for us to educate.

And also to raise a little bit of money.

I thought you guys say you put a blindfold
to make them feel like,

you know what
it would be like to be blind.

And I guess we drink some of that.

You have them walking out
as they walk out there blind.

We certainly do simulated with folks too,
and in school kids as part of that.

And and then this last year
we had our first and still going on

at a gun raffle 52 guys in 52 weeks.

And so that's awesome.

You see Jeff perking up, right?

Well, yeah, that's neat.

It's also kind of an interesting it's
interesting People say that, say

blind people and guns.

Explain that to me. Right.
You hear about that.

And so it's very simple.

We chose some amazing guns
and we sold almost a thousand tickets,

$100 apiece, and people win every week,
best based on the pick three on Fridays.

So that number
and and there's a video of me

shooting a gun over at Red River Range.

There's a
I have a device that I put over a scope.

It's a camera and then a screen
that goes on the top of that scope.

And I can see a hundred yards away
and I can be pretty accurate with that.

And so so that's pretty cool. So,

yeah,
what kind of guns are you raffling off?

Oh, we've got various types
of hunting rifles, shotguns,

ours, handguns, various kinds
and just lots of cool guns.

And it's been successful.

And and then the finally the thing
we're really excited about this year,

we're going to do something
called the eyeball.

This is going to be
on the 25th of October.

It's going to be at the Horseshoe.

It's going to be a high end
Halloween party, costumes, everything.

It is going to be so much by the eyeballs.

And we're going to have like
dueling deejays and everything.

And and so I love Halloween.
This will be a great a great time.

Yeah, I bet you're going
to get a huge turnout for that.

We hope so. Yeah, we're looking forward
to it. Very creative.

You'll find all that on at L.A.

Blind dot com or dot com. Exactly. Okay.

And can they register to win
if you take your absentee, they can.

There's no way to go.

And guess what
we're halfway through the year so

you can still have a chance to win a gun
and there's still a few few spots left.

So while I'm interested in this gun stuff,
all right,

so you talking about the screen
and all of that? Yeah.

I mean, is that on every gun that you
raffle or sell?

Oh, no,
because it's, you know, people are.

Yeah, it's good.

People are buying.

That's got to be expensive.

Yeah.

If anybody who's blind is
wants to use a gun,

we have a couple of ways
we can adapt guns to be successful.

And you'd be amazed at how many folks
in this community already hunt

that are blind or visually impaired
using various devices, either

wearables
or using an adaptive scope of some type.

And so it's it is
it's something that's very doable.

And again,

I I've been shooting since I was a kid,
and I like to fish all those things.

I love being do everything you here

as much as I can.

Yeah, that's fantastic.

So is any of this.

I know I'm being really stupid here, but
you talked about the scopes and screens.

Any ever done by, like,

sonar or something like that?

Yes, that's a good question that you love.

That's making us kind of.

Yeah, it's kind of a silly question.

No, I just know it's really it's it's
so there's a go there.

It's just a matter of being creative.
What do you do?

And you think about
we also interact with veterans,

a lot of folks who come back, you know,
and have maybe lost some of their sight.

And so there's there's there's
a couple of different things we use

now, so much so
and I never would tell you that.

But you can also tell me
sometimes you don't question, right.

Some type of laser scope where somebody
could watch is they okay, you're right.

You're right where you need to be
or someone could kind of help.

And so we can also use like their phone
or their device

and look at where that person
is looking at through their scope.

So it helps.

It's it's good to hunt with somebody
if you're blind or visually impaired.

They're really good idea.

Or you can use a really high tech hole
right in front of you.

That's where I

try. So but
but yeah, there's lots of ways to do that.

And, and we've just been I've been

just surprised to see how many people are
really still participating and it's cool.

But like you said, this, this is something
that people don't think about the

Oh yeah, I guess
you can still do that. Yeah.

And like I say, so
many people are participating

because of opportunities
that you that you show them.

But what about a lot of folks
that they don't know?

There's opportunities out there, are they?

I think a lot of people
just kind of drop out of life

when they run into this situation.
They either don't graduate.

You have a lot of people
don't graduate high school.

They don't try to find a job.

They don't know
these things are out there.

So what would you tell a person?

When do they seek you out as a parent
or I would say as soon as possible.

As soon as either you or someone you know
is visually impaired or blind,

that happens.
Please come to us, talk to us.

You know, we're running

lots of advertising,
lots of billboards and things right now.

Certainly.

Um, we have a great, great
PR firm, Robin Pew.

They're wonderful
and we're just try to get the word out

all through this region
just because I want people to know this.

Oh, there's a place we can go to.

And this is this search to answer
some of our questions.

You say you have like

3000 members, which is about 3000 people
we serve every year.

Yeah.

And I would imagine
if you serve 3000, there's

probably many more that are not taking it
being a lot more of your.

Yeah.

What what does the future hold for L.A.

blind?

Well, I think first off,
they're serving more people and that

that will keep growing the things we do
in the schools early intervention

birth to three
and also more more job stuff

in the community and more growth
As far as our manufacturing,

you know,
one of the things that we often hear about

is that manufacturing
is really struggling in the United States.

And we have a wonderful
manufacturing team.

So we're always looking for new things.

We can build manufacture here
in Louisiana, here in the United States

to really maintain that kind of viability.

You know,
but most important is the eyeball

to eyeball coming up and register
for guns.

Yeah. And go to the brew.

There's
so many people in Braille and Braille.

And thank you very much.

Thinking of Braille,

how hard is it to learn?

You know,
it's like anything that's growing.

Any other language you just you learn it
by repetition and by using it.

And it's just learning
a whole new language that is.

And we're into tactile
as opposed to not being tactile.

So, yeah, I mean, it's I think about
when I learned the language years ago,

it was at first you're just overwhelmed
and how do you learn this language?

And then after you get into it
for a couple of years and you spend time

speaking a little bit, it's like, Oh,
I could have never done this a year ago.

So it's the same kind of thing, right?

Because you speak Braille and you speak
English and Russian as well, right?

I do speak a little bit of Russian.

This guy is way more accomplished

lot of graduates
and much more accomplished at home.

That's why he's a guest.

And we just sit.

All right.

We got like a minute left.

What do you want to what message
would you like to leave to the folks

that are listening to this podcast?

I would say that again, anyone
you know, anyone you come in contact with

who has a vision issue, please contact us.

We can help.

Louisiana Association for the Blind.

My my personal experience,
our amazing team we have there.

Please, please contact us
as soon as possible and we can help.

And we can be there to help

not only the person who's
losing their vision or burnt vision loss,

but also family members to be able to help
adjust as well to that.

Is there financial assistance for folks
that are maybe they're just afraid

they don't have the money
to take care of this yet?

Thank you for saying that.
That is a really good question, actually.

Yes, Look at that.

There is this is our final episode.

We've been very blessed
through fundraising and through some

some donations over the years
that have allowed us to have

some some funds that are there to help
people who are not able to do that.

And we can also connect them with federal
and other state agencies as well.

And our team of folks
want to get in contact with you out.

They do it. L.A.

Wine.com has a great place to go to L.A.

Wine.com. All right. L.A.

Blind dot com. But I love this episode.

This has been I told you you would love.

Really Do I believe you?

And maybe I'll start more in the future.

Come on. You need to appreciate you.

You're welcome. It's
great to be here. Thanks, Brian.

All right. For Paul and Brian, I'm Jeff.

Thanks for watching
and thanks for listening.

You can check out this podcast.

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Have a good one, everybody.