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Joe Massa (00:00.11)
I don't know why they decided that was a good design feature. So I'm to click out of that. Okay, so I'm to do my introduction now and then we'll get started.
Trish Steele (00:04.133)
Okay, Joe.
Trish Steele (00:09.821)
Okay, I'm ready.
Joe Massa (00:12.632)
Hello everyone. Welcome to another edition of the measuring post a place to learn and grow together and it is currently the month of March and if you're familiar with that means it is National Women's Month. So I brought in a heavy hitter this week to talk about some amazing things she's been doing for over the past five decades in this space. She's the philanthropist, a speaker, author, mindset renewal coach, the founder of the women of steel. You'll find out why that name is important in just a minute and also a great nonprofit called
passage healed. It's decades of leadership across not only business, media, but this nonprofit work as well. She's also a two-time angel award-winning talk show host that's been featured on CBS, Fox, and The Doctors, even recognized by two separate presidents, President Barack Obama and Donald Trump. We are honored to have today with us Ms. Trish Steele. Thank you so much for joining us on The Measuring Post. How are you today?
Trish Steele (01:10.005)
I am good. Excuse me for my background, but I had to come up to my room to get on internet. So I'm ready to go and share my secrets of all of my history of actually seven decades. I've been around seven decades, but I've been doing this for five decades.
Joe Massa (01:33.57)
Yes, and the work you do is so important. And obviously we talk about March being Women's Month, but every month is Women's Month. The work you do is nonstop, it's year round, and you do so many great things. And you've lived and led through so many seasons of life, and you're so vibrant, and I love your story. But how do you define who you are today? Looking back on all the work you've done, what's sort of the one thing that really sticks out about what you represent yourself as today?
Trish Steele (02:02.115)
I represent myself as an overcomer and a woman that has built a legacy to pay it forward.
Joe Massa (02:13.259)
I love that. Absolutely. And it didn't start here. Obviously you, you, know, growing up, you didn't probably have the aspirations or the, the inclination that you would be where you're at today. So, you know, what sort of got you into the leadership and business space and sort of formed this identity that you have today.
Trish Steele (02:34.417)
Joe, it started actually as a little girl, and I think that's what makes me a legend because a lot of women have these little girl dreams of what they want to be when they grow up. But in the midst of my childhood, I had lost my father, and I was a daddy's girl, and I was his firstborn.
And that was the first trauma that kind of took place having that father figure and that person that really adored you and lifted you up and was a good man. You know, it's so important that as we are women, we need to also know the hearts and passion of men.
because we're nurturing, we like to make people happy, we like to do things and create ways to bring out the best of us. But that wasn't the only thing that happened to me. I also lost 70 % of my hearing when I was five years old. After my father's death, I had a very high fever.
That shifted me over into a different school. It was called Mary Bennett School. In those days in the 50s, those were considered deaf and dumb schools. And it changed my whole mentality of what life is really all about. And it was very cruel. It was very, I was bullied. was...
you know, going through a lot of hardship. And as a girl, when I had big dreams of wanting to be in the entertainment industry, kind of, I'd say. getting that mentorship through my grandmother, who I stayed with a lot because my mother was a widow with three children. I was her firstborn.
Trish Steele (04:43.427)
I used to go to her because she used to be on her knees praying. said, Grandma, what is wrong with me? Why am I having this situation? All this happening to me? And she took one look at me and she said, Patty, you are special. And you're going to do very special things when you grow up. You're special. And so those words special pounded in my heart.
ever since then. And every time I heard those words, when I was going through a tough time, because it started there, but believe me, the rest of my journey was being bullied, being molested by my stepfather, being abused by my stepfather, you know, all the abuse that went on in my life. Those words kept me from falling in the pit and being hopeless.
Joe Massa (05:43.97)
Yeah, such powerful story and-
really it demonstrates the power of love that you receive at home and what that can do and transform in your life. you know, it's it's terrible how mean children can be, especially at that age when you're dealing with the struggles of losing heal your hearing. And really, you know, as a father myself with two kids that are, you know, ones in college now, ones in middle school, I see it firsthand daily. Sometimes the the ruthlessness of the way that kids treat each other. And a lot of that does come from home. So I'm glad that even though during
Trish Steele (05:50.375)
Mm-hmm.
Trish Steele (05:56.967)
that age.
Joe Massa (06:16.183)
struggles, grandma was there to give you that sort of safe place for you to be. And I know obviously you talk about the domestic abuse and sexual abuse that you experienced. I'm assuming that was sort of a triggering factor in what led to you starting safe passage heels. Now know it started under a different names, but tell us a little bit about that and sort of how your experience shaped and molded that into reality.
Trish Steele (06:41.991)
Sure, Joe. So, you know, in those days in the 50s and 60s, you are not able to share or even say any such a thing that I was molested or abused or domestic violence. Those were hush-hush stories behind closed doors. But finally, after my mother divorced my stepfather and all that I went through with him,
I had the nerves and I finally built up the confidence because I was going to prove to everyone that I wasn't all those abusive words that my stepfather was telling me, being worthless, being stupid, and there's no future for me. And so I had a very dear friend by the name of Margaret that she was my next door neighbor and I told my story to her for the first time.
And when I told her my story and the response I got back, like, it freed me. It gave me freedom to find out, wow, I'm okay now. I'm okay. I can move on. I can find victory in this. I can go on to the next level in my life and prove that I am somebody. I am worth it. I am a woman that can make things happen.
So, years later after that, I ran into a gentleman that fell in love with me and we became engaged. And during that long engagement, I noticed that he started taking very control of my life. He didn't want me to work. He didn't want me to do anything. He isolated me from my friends, from my work, from everything that I was doing.
When we went out with people, if he had too much to drink, he would get mean and ugly. And we were out with some friends one night, and those friends witnessed a horrible thing that happened to me. My fiance was sitting across from me, and we were all in the chacuzzi, and we're just drinking wine and having a good time.
Trish Steele (09:03.589)
And he said something to me and he was always verbally abusive to me. And what I did was said the word no to him. Now to an abuser, you can't say the word no. That is the most horrible word you can ever say to a man when they have full control of you and they are the abuser that wants to keep you under his isolation.
And so I noticed when I said no, his face turned real red and he balled up his fist and he went to take a swing at me. And when he took that swing at me, I had a glass of wine and I would like this and push my head this way. And when I did that and did this, the glass hit my forehead and this split it all right open. Now.
So you can imagine there's blood, I have witnesses right there, I get up and I'm numb, I go into the bathroom and I see myself in the mirror and I look at myself and I said, get out now. Now, this is...
And what I'm trying to say to everybody, if anybody's listening and they want to know more about how to get out of a relationship, that abusive relationship, everything starts with verbal words and then it goes into isolation. Then it goes to aggressiveness and violence. So I realized when I looked at myself in the mirror, I finally hit the plateau. Either you get out or you're going to die in the hands of the man that says he loves you.
So I got in the car, I drove myself to the emergency hospital to get stitches as I walked into that place. And at that time I was living in the Marina Del Ray and there's one small little hospital in there and nobody was in there but me and the nurse and the doctor. I walked in there and I shared with the nurse.
Trish Steele (11:12.335)
what had happened and she just took me and said, come with me. The doctor looked at me, took one look at me and I had my hair was all down straight and he pushed it aside and he goes, he looked at me and he said, don't worry about this. I'm gonna fix it as if it never happened. He said it was such compassion that I realized, wow, he really cares. I felt like somebody like,
The Holy Spirit hit him, God hit him, it was the angel from heaven. And what he did, he stitched me and it did not leave a scar on my forehead. I have no scar there. He never charged me any money for doing this. He did a pro bono. The hospital did a pro bono. And that's the first time I realized everybody, men.
compassionate. The good men are compassionate. They understand and they want to help. And so I knew that one day I was just going to pay it forward. And when I met my husband that I had at that time and we started a ministry and in that ministry I started an outreach for women of domestic violence.
because I knew what they needed. Because we would have women coming to the church, I would meet women everywhere. And they were just so drawn to me. And I started a whole, it's called Women, Crown and Glory, but Safe Passage charity to help victims of domestic violence and to help their children. And to go up another little further, I shared my stories with plastic surgeons, dentists, and doctors, and life coaches.
And I got plastic surgeons to do pro bono work, dentists to do pro bono work for those women that have been beaten and abused so badly so that they can get rid of those scars, fix their teeth. Some of these women had their teeth kicked out. I mean, this became a whole new movement. My charity became a whole new movement of saving and transforming lives.
Joe Massa (13:35.146)
Yeah, I absolutely love the mission. I hate the reason that it exists because of that means that there's violence happening. But you said a couple of things I think are really powerful that I want to highlight. One, you were talking about when you were still a child and you were being abused and you finally realized that, you know, from your neighbor's compassion that it wasn't you.
And I think that's a really important thing to highlight for anyone going through abuse, whether it's a physical, emotional, verbal abuse, you are not the problem. You are not the one causing this. You are not deserving of that treatment. I don't care what you've done. Nobody deserves to be belittled, controlled, isolated, and physically, emotionally, verbally hurt. That is, and you're absolutely right. If you let it slide down the slope further, it's going to turn from mean words to bald fist.
Trish Steele (13:56.957)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (14:26.281)
into a potential funeral. So do not hesitate. Obviously, there's ways to escape domestic violence. You need to do it in a planned way that keeps yourself protected. And I commend you on doing that, not being one of the statistics that sticks around because you're afraid. It's easy to get sucked into that fear where you go, I'm not going to allow myself to.
Trish Steele (14:27.196)
Mm-hmm.
Trish Steele (14:45.681)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (14:50.697)
get out of this because it's easier just to take the abuse and sort of hide my shame. I'm glad that you finally had that sort of realization. But what I really love, and this is something I never even considered on the aspect of domestic violence, you know, the repercussions that come from a physical injury, like a scar or a missing tooth, you don't think about those things as far as like a financial standpoint. But a lot of these people might be like,
Trish Steele (14:56.583)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (15:17.557)
they're under their husband or boyfriend's financial control as well. So, you know, to go get plastic surgery is something that's not even an option. So you would be walking around with this lifelong reminder of what happened to you. So the fact that you're talking to these specialists that will help somebody, I think that's really, really a very unique angle that I've never heard in this. And honestly, I love it. I think it's, you know, something that not only take away the physical scars, but you know, the
Trish Steele (15:31.217)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (15:47.454)
If I have to look in the mirror every day and see that scar, that's a never ending reminder of where I came from. So I really love what you're doing. So when you experienced that, obviously, and you had that really nice moment with the doctor who stitched you up and did such a great job, you start this now movement, how do you sort of like snowball this into gaining attention around not only your community, but you know, just in general? And how did you grow this to be as big as it is today?
Trish Steele (15:49.617)
That's right.
Trish Steele (16:17.155)
Okay, so Joe, it is a full-time...
compassion on the community. You know, it's something like an example, like Mother Teresa. I don't think she slept much. know, the famous Mother Teresa or Wonder Woman or, you know, all these legends and heroes, you know, And.
Joe Massa (16:37.781)
Yeah.
Trish Steele (16:48.227)
these queens, know, famous queens, Queen Victoria, Queen Elizabeth and all that, you know, when you have a compassion for people, it is a total thought that goes in your mind even when you're sleeping because it comes from the heart.
and the heart starts to, the mind starts to read the heart, you know, while you're sleeping and it creates ways to connect with people. See, I didn't go to school to learn this. I never went to school to learn how to open up a nonprofit or how to do, you know, how to become a counselor, only that, and how to reach out to the community. didn't take it. It came from my passion.
and my natural gifts and abilities came out. And part of that natural gifts and abilities that came out was my background as a beauty consultant working hair, makeup, and wardrobe styling for the entertainment industry. So my dream as a little girl still came true during that time too. You see, was, I still fulfilled my dreams before my last hit with domestic violence.
And so it is actually, when I tell people, don't give up on your dreams or find out your calling. What is your passion in life? And when you find that out and you have a passion in your life, it is going to help you so much more to overcome anything that's hindering you from going forward. And that's including the bad relationship that's abusive.
You see what I mean? Yeah.
Joe Massa (18:38.079)
Yeah, no, you're so right. The passion has to be there. You have to have a desire to want to continue to do that. And also, I think
Trish Steele (18:41.797)
Yes, you have to have it. Yeah. So I did a lot of networking. Just want to tell you, I did a lot of networking, Joe. As I was going, yeah, I went to, I went out to every city council member meeting, every, to the mayor's meetings, to, you know, I went to the chamber of commerce meetings, I went to charity events, and I sucked in everything that I knew that I could.
Joe Massa (18:48.159)
Yeah.
Trish Steele (19:09.959)
present to my women so that they can be whole and healed.
Joe Massa (19:16.127)
Yeah, and that's the best way to do it. You got to get the boots on the ground. But you know, I love that you talk about the passion and really that comes from a shared experience. And we've had other people on the show like that were recovered addicts, for example, those people that end up going to teach the courses on addiction and how to break it. Those are the people that you really want to learn from because they've walked.
Trish Steele (19:24.988)
Yeah.
Trish Steele (19:29.905)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (19:38.023)
a mile in the shoes, right? And that's sort of what you did. You not only, you're not talking the talk and preaching it, you experienced it firsthand and your ability to get away from that is an inspiration. But I also want to mention one more quick thing, because you said something I forgot to highlight before we, I want to talk about the women of steel next, but you mentioned when that doctor fixed you up, how you noticed the true compassion out of him. And then it was sort of like a light bulb moment, like did not all men
Trish Steele (19:40.091)
Bye.
Joe Massa (20:07.44)
are monsters and that we don't want to just verbally physically hurt you. But if you've only seen the violent verbally abusive man, and if you think that is true love, until you experience the other side where someone gives you genuine compassion, it's like you won't understand the difference. So I'm just, I'm thankful that you highlighted that because all too often, and I know this is your story and women's story, but men get put in this box like,
Trish Steele (20:09.181)
That's right.
Trish Steele (20:24.274)
Bye.
Joe Massa (20:35.88)
we will all be abusers and that's far from the truth. Most men I think also love and uphold our women and children and we wanna be stewards and protectors. So I'm happy that you found somebody that opened your eyes that you were just in the wrong crowds and you deserve so much better than that.
Trish Steele (20:52.797)
And you know what Joe, I also had an opportunity because I was so involved with the community. The community asked me, one of the mayors from the past, and I'm talking years because I've been around for years, but he asked me if I would go to the prison and speak to the group of men that were all convicted of abuse and domestic violence.
because he saw, he knew that the cycle can only be broken through help and counseling, you know. And so these men that were in this particular, like a boot camp.
They had a counselor they had to report to every day and they do group therapy and all that. So he found a guy who used to be an abuser and he broke the cycle and then he went back to the prison to teach these men how to break their cycle. And when I went there to share my testimony,
90 % of these men that were in there, the reason why they were in prison, because they were raised in domestic violence homes. They saw what their mother and father did, and they just stayed in the cycle. People don't realize it becomes a cycle. With your children's witness, you get drafted into that cycle, whether it's drugs, whether it's alcohol, whether it's domestic violence. If you're doing, if parents are doing something that's not right,
in front of their children, their children are going to adapt to that and it will come up in their life one time or another. And these men cried when they heard my story. They cried feeling sorry for me for what this man did to me. They cried and it was a breakthrough for them.
Joe Massa (22:41.448)
love that. mean, again, part of.
growing and being a better human is understanding that we all have sometimes a very unpleasant past experiences we've done. But you have to I like to at least believe that most people can find some level of rehabilitation not always the case but I love that you were even willing to go stand in front of a group of men convicted of doing the very thing that started your journey and trying to compassionately educate them and get them to open their eyes to a new reality. So I commend you on that. So with with your
Trish Steele (22:54.565)
Yeah.
Joe Massa (23:13.792)
your nonprofit that you do, you also started an organization alongside your daughters, Shawna and Michelle called the Women of Steel. By the way, your last name is perfect for this. I love the Women of Steel, very powerful. tell me a bit about the Women of Steel and sort of the work that you do with that group.
Trish Steele (23:21.148)
Yes.
Trish Steele (23:24.813)
I know.
Trish Steele (23:32.015)
So, The Woman Is Steelers started like seven years ago. And of course, I became a steal when I got married to my ex-husband. And he's an amazing man. And he got that name by changing his theatrical name to Steel. And so it's like, can register, you can change your last name, if it has to do with your business. anyway.
During my years, my 35 years of really making a success out of Safe Passage, I became very strong and I became very spiritual and I was living a sensational life. So the Women of Steel are people that have come, that have been mentored by me, including my two daughters and many others, because I did a, started seven years ago mentoring women.
that wanted to be strong, spiritual, and sensational like me. And I mentored them, and what I figured out, you know what? I need to reach out to all women. I realized.
It's not about just domestic violence. It's about trauma, whatever trauma we've gone through, whatever it is that we've gone through, it's just like we need healing from. Because everybody has to take a time to heal. And that was another thing. I came up with a trademark called the time to heal. going back to Women of Steel,
the seven years that I was working on this and doing events.
Trish Steele (25:16.197)
you know, speaking engagements and everything. My daughters, I was praying for my daughters to come on the side of me. And that's why I want to empower so many mothers, because that's what I did with the Safe Passage is not only help the mothers, but I helped the children break the cycle. And I would empower the children too, to have respect, to have confidence, to have joy, all of those things. I realized, you know, I need to reach out and I get my daughters
with me and start this movement where mothers, but not only mothers, but leaders in the field, people that are leaders that really want to build a legacy for themselves, for their family, and for their community. And so that's what the Woman of Steel is. So it's those three words, spiritual, strong, and sensational.
Joe Massa (26:13.149)
three S's. I like that. That's powerful. And, and I love that you're doing it like generationally. It's cool that you did it with your daughters, but, really that's the best way to learn. You know, I'm a big fan and I've talked to my podcast before about like reading a biography. Somebody wrote a book about their whole life experience that took them their whole life to
Trish Steele (26:15.046)
Yes.
Trish Steele (26:19.408)
Yes.
Joe Massa (26:32.701)
come up with that material, instead of reliving exactly what they did, you can learn from them. So I love that you've packaged sort of your experiences, the good and the bad, and really built this sort of platform where you go.
don't go through all the things I went through, instead learn from me and then pass it down. mean, knowledge is not meant to be kept, it's meant to be shared. And I love that you have not only your faith involved in that, but you're building longevity, accountability, and identity, and really helping people rebuild themselves from the inside out, especially when they're sort of coming from like a tragic experience, like a violent home life.
Trish Steele (26:51.568)
Yes!
Trish Steele (27:12.079)
Yes, and you know, Joe, the other thing about the Woman of Steel is, I...
I actually have not only my daughters, but I have four other women that I've been, that I've mentored and worked with and helped them build their mission because we all have a gift and talent and we're all different. We all have a different DNA. So we all have a different personality. We all have a different, you know, goals and everything. And that's what I'm so good at because I realize, you know,
after over 70 years, you know, walking on this planet, I've been so blessed to have the opportunity to meet people from all walks of life, from all parts of the country, and be able to just embrace them as a woman that is strong.
and spiritual and sensational. Women have a special gift. And it's not to say that men don't. No, women have a special gift. God created women in a very special way. We have different gifts, and that's why man couldn't live alone. God created a woman for a man, you see? That's what the Bible says. It wasn't good for man to be alone, so he had to have a woman.
Joe Massa (28:35.209)
Hell yeah.
Yes, you're absolutely right. My wife would agree with you 100 % on that one as well. And that actually brings me to a really interesting topic because you did start this, know, women of steel, mind of steel in your sixties. So, you know, we always get this idea that like, if you're going to reinvent yourself, like there's a timeline, well, I'm 40 now. I can't restart a new business. I can't start a new career or a new passion in my fifties.
Trish Steele (28:43.141)
You
Trish Steele (29:04.145)
Mm-hmm.
Joe Massa (29:05.993)
What would you tell those people? Because clearly you're living proof that you can start, there's no deadline. You know, we're not like used up after our 50s or 60s. You know, I love that you're still out there reinventing sort of your own platforms. And what would you tell someone, you know, imagining that they can't build what they want in life?
Trish Steele (29:21.297)
Yes.
Trish Steele (29:28.535)
I have to say this, they have to call me and get a consultation because I'm a very deep person. I really care. And it takes a private consultation to really share with them. The three basic things that I'm gonna share with you, and it doesn't matter what background you're from or what you develop, is that...
I'm all about lining the spirit, soul, and body. Now, when you line up your spirit, soul, and body, that's when wholeness comes in. That's when the light comes on, like, wow, this is who I really am. I can do this. I can move on with the direction that Trish was talking about. Because each one...
It's totally different. Each one is different. And so I like when I go speaking engagements, I speak on topics that help them to understand how to communicate with your body, soul, and spirit, and help them to understand the steps, how to strengthen yourself to get to the next level. And so that...
The best advice I can give is call Trish Steele, have a day with Trish Steele, have a consultation, because I'm very in tune with the women. I'm not like a regular motivational speaker. No, I'm not a motivational speaker. I'm a mindset renewal coach, and that mindset will get transformed by a private consultation, and then move on to the next level.
Joe Massa (31:16.295)
Yeah, and if you're just joining us, I'm here today with Trish Steele. She is the founder of Safe Passage Heals along with the Mind of Steel author, philanthropist.
total rockstar helping people out there and you can find her information at TrishSteel.com. You don't have to remember it. will put links in and around this video, but just a little plug there for Trish. So over your 50 years of doing this and obviously you keep saying the 70 years you've been walking around, but your 50 years of professional work, what would you say you're the most proud of or what impact have you made that matters the most to you? I know that's sort of a loaded question because they're probably all very important, but if you had to choose one
thing to say, what would that be?
Trish Steele (32:03.793)
Being fearless. Remember my book says, my book discovered the mind of Steele's seven decade journey of being ageless, fearless, and divinely connected. So I think if those three words, it's gotta be fearless is.
not to be afraid. You've got to learn to take the first step, basically. That means that you've to get rid of the fear, get rid of the doubts, get rid of the voice that you probably hear that's saying you can't do it. Or things that say, well, I failed in that before. I don't think I can do it again. It's all these doubts and fears that go through your mind.
Once you do that, then you can even have a better relationship spiritually and become ageless and divinely connected to God.
Joe Massa (33:05.555)
fearless. That's probably the best word that I've heard. I've asked this question many times. I like that one. And again, you're absolutely right. There's so much self doubt we put in ourselves. You know, they call it imposter syndrome or whatever you want to whatever fancy name you want to give to it. But it's really true. We just always have this self doubt and it's pre built into us. I think, and every time I'm starting a new project or a new business, I'm like, you know, I'm getting real excited and I start doing the work and I go, this is, this is dumb. This won't work, you know, and then
Trish Steele (33:16.289)
yes.
Joe Massa (33:35.509)
have to step back and say, why won't this work? Is it because I really think it won't or because I'm being feared? I'm in fear, you know, of what could be. So yeah, a hundred percent. it's tough, tough to break out of.
Trish Steele (33:38.962)
Yeah.
Trish Steele (33:44.485)
Yes, it is a form of fear. It is. it is. And Joe, I remember when I was in a beauty pageant, a customer was out, asked to me, and the question was, what bugs you the most, or what bothers you the most? That was my big question that the judge, I had to stay in front of the judge on this beauty pageant.
And I said, my key words, procrastination. When people say they're gonna do something, but they don't do it and they procrastinate, that bothers me the most. And that is another form of fear. People procrastinate because they really don't think it's, oh, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. The reason why they're keep procrastinating is because they haven't built up the courage to do it.
And so that's another thing. And that's why I want to say, ladies, gentlemen, all people, when there is something you're passionate about and you know you're called to do this, don't procrastinate. Get on its mission.
and start taking your baby steps. It's gonna take baby steps. Your little steps. And that's one of the names of my programs. It's called Stepping Stones to a New Life. But you start taking your little steps. I'm not asking you to jump in it 100%, take this big giant Olympic jump. It's baby steps. And these steps, these stepping stones, are gonna take you to higher and higher.
And then you finally realize that you're going to be on the top of the mountain saying, hallelujah, I did it, I did it, I did it.
Joe Massa (35:40.595)
Yeah, I love that. And you're so right. It's, we also get stuck in this like perpetual planning phase where it's like nonstop doing all the details and the busy work, but never actually doing the real work. I'm definitely guilty of that in my professional career. And it's something I really try to be mindful of not doing. So I love that just baby steps, just the initial effort is all that it takes to start this momentum that will turn into an unstoppable force at some point. So I really, really like that.
Trish Steele (36:05.029)
Yes.
Joe Massa (36:10.384)
So I wanna give you a couple of rapid fire wisdom questions because you've been doing this so long and just short, powerful answers, nothing crazy. What is one thing that you believe truly every woman needs to let go of immediately?
Trish Steele (36:15.162)
Okay.
Trish Steele (36:27.299)
Every woman needs to what? Say that again.
Joe Massa (36:29.586)
to let go of, like internally.
Trish Steele (36:33.532)
what they need to select. You mean for themselves?
Joe Massa (36:37.766)
Yeah, yeah, that's perfect.
Trish Steele (36:39.901)
Okay.
confidence.
Trish Steele (36:47.609)
Every woman needs to have a certain amount of confidence to really see themself.
confidence in themselves to see who they really are and they'll be amazed. They'll be amazed. Bye.
Going through this Trish Steele, Woman of Steele program, that's one of my things I do is have them see the confidence that's in them.
Joe Massa (37:17.064)
That's a good one. What's one of the biggest lies that people believe about themselves? Biggest lies people believe.
Trish Steele (37:23.205)
Right. What's the biggest lies? Yeah.
Joe Massa (37:26.554)
So yeah, what do you think is the biggest lie people naturally believe about themselves?
Trish Steele (37:33.373)
that they don't have the ability to do it. The ability to do what they're called to do. That's the biggest lie. It's like they're not talented enough or they don't have the tools.
Look, I started my charity without the tools.
Well, the talent I had, because my talent was driven by my passion and by everything that I accomplished in the entertainment industry when I was doing hair, makeup, and wardrobe styling. I took all the gifts, my natural gifts, and that's other thing, Joe, is like follow what is natural for you, too. You gotta follow what's natural. If you don't, you're gonna struggle. It's gonna be harder.
So what was natural for me as a little girl was...
hair, makeup, fashion, designs, talking with people, making them feel and look pretty. And that's what was natural to me. Dancing was natural to me. These are things, are natural abilities. Just like these, some of these are lip-mix people. Some of these people that have it, that, you know, that are actors, they have a natural ability. They start young and then they realize that's what they're called to do.
Joe Massa (38:58.056)
Yeah, I like that. Definitely follow your natural God given abilities. Otherwise you're going to feel like you're paddling against the current and that's never a good place to be. Okay, last question for you. And then we'll talk about how people can find and work with you. If someone's listening right now and they're going through like a hard season in life, particularly a woman in a situation that you came from, what's one thing that you'd want them to hear from you?
Trish Steele (39:04.144)
Mm-hmm.
Trish Steele (39:26.865)
There's hope in every aspect of life.
We're not here to give up. We are here to do something with our life. So there's hope.
Joe Massa (39:45.288)
And that's beautiful. And it's so true. And I would piggyback on that too, and say what you said earlier.
Get out, get out while you can. Don't wait too long. Get out, make sure you see the writing on the wall and get out while you can. So yeah, this is great, great wisdom. If you wanna learn more about Trish Steele, head over to trishsteel.com. She's also got multiple books, including Discover the Mind of Steele, which is your own personal philosophy and journey. The Women of Steele, which is another group. And again, we'll put links all around here. But I was reading, do you actually do like retreats and stuff, in-person retreats?
Trish Steele (39:53.009)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yes.
Joe Massa (40:21.211)
well or is it all virtual? Yes.
Trish Steele (40:21.413)
Yes I do. Yes. So I just, I'm starting these women's retreats. I did a few of them last year and it shuts.
success, but these women at retreats will be at different locations all along the side of the coastline of California. So if you're not in California, you have an opportunity to come enjoy the spectacular weather out here and all that California has to offer. But I also have five-star resorts that I do things at for people that really want to make an adventure. But in my retreat,
you will be with a, I do my retreats anywhere. It could be a private retreat where it's just the person and I, you know, the woman and I, or it could be a group of women. You can get your friends and I'll go on a retreat. And the retreat is a place where I teach you how to enjoy yourself. It's called self-care. And self-care is what made me ageless and fearless and divinely connected.
Joe Massa (41:28.387)
and what made you absolutely outstanding, Trish. I love what you're doing. Like I said, I hate the reason you had to start this mission, but sometimes the biggest battles are given to the greatest warriors, the ones that can truly withstand the battlefield. And you've proven for many, many years and decades that you have that talent, the ability to transform lives, to take pain and make it into purpose.
and I truly, truly commend you for the work that you're doing. And we're here to help and share this any way that we can. Again, head over to TrishSteel.com. That's steel with an E at the end. TrishSteel.com. Check out Women of Steel. Get the book.
Make sure you sign up for one of these retreats. Give yourself a reason to go on vacation in California unless you're already there. Then you just go to a different part of California. But I absolutely loved having you on the measuring post today and really hope we can connect again and do maybe an update video sometime where we can see how these new retreats are going and anything else that we can benefit you with as well. So any final words for our guests here?
Trish Steele (42:11.985)
Yeah.
Trish Steele (42:29.915)
The final word is, God loves you and I love you too.
Joe Massa (42:35.941)
I can't beat that, so I won't try. Thank you so much, Tristeel, for joining us today on The Measuring Post.
Joe Massa (42:45.253)
so don't hang up yet.