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Jane, Sarah, and Rachel, three sober individuals, engage in a lively conversation about the influence of alcohol on mediumship, the concept of drinking dreams and intuition while drinking.
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00:00 Welcome Medium Curious: Jane and Sarah
07:31 The Impact of Alcohol on Mediumship
15:14 Drinking Dreams
19:36 “Rocketed into the 4th dimension”?
28:16 Sarah was Introduced to AA in the coolest way
34:22 Jane's Sober Stand-up Comedy
35:20 A blackout story due to a mix-up in the phone number.
39:14 Parenting in Sobriety
46:30 Mediumship and Intuition
55:00 www.mediumcurious.com Newsletter & Podcast
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What is Sober Banter?
Sober Banter, a podcast about life without alcohol, is real, relatable, and never boring. Hosts Rachel and Colin share honest conversations about sobriety with humor, heart, and a touch of chaos.
Rachel Casey (00:00:06):
Welcome to Sober Banter.
Rachel Casey (00:00:08):
We have Jane and Sarah from Medium Curious here to join us.
Rachel Casey (00:00:14):
And since Colin's at work, we are doing a girls banter.
Rachel Casey (00:00:18):
So this is going to be a super fun episode.
Rachel Casey (00:00:20):
And all moms.
Rachel Casey (00:00:22):
I really love that aspect,
Rachel Casey (00:00:23):
but I'll go ahead and let you introduce yourselves because you can probably say a
Rachel Casey (00:00:27):
little bit more than I can other than I know Jane's sobriety date,
Rachel Casey (00:00:32):
4-8-0-8,
Rachel Casey (00:00:32):
which I'm so jealous.
Rachel Casey (00:00:36):
I want an eight so badly.
Rachel Casey (00:00:38):
And Sarah is one January 15th of 22.
Rachel Casey (00:00:43):
So just like a two or less behind Colin and I. Yeah, two months, right?
Rachel Casey (00:00:49):
That's crazy.
Rachel Casey (00:00:50):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:00:50):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:00:51):
What a time, what a time to be sober.
Rachel Casey (00:00:53):
So how, how are y'all let's hear how's your day and what's going on right now?
Rachel Casey (00:01:03):
You want to start Jane?
Jane Morgan (00:01:07):
It's a good day.
Jane Morgan (00:01:07):
I'm sitting in a car,
Jane Morgan (00:01:09):
which is kind of a nice recording booth actually,
Jane Morgan (00:01:11):
because I,
Jane Morgan (00:01:12):
um,
Jane Morgan (00:01:13):
we've discovered that our stairs were rotting and have termites.
Jane Morgan (00:01:19):
Oh, feel the joy.
Jane Morgan (00:01:21):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:01:23):
So, so I'm in the car, but I'm really happy to be here.
Jane Morgan (00:01:27):
Thanks for having us, Rachel.
Jane Morgan (00:01:28):
This is so fun.
Jane Morgan (00:01:29):
It's really fun.
Rachel Casey (00:01:31):
That we can like podcast from wherever and yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:01:33):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:01:34):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:01:36):
I think if I would have been drinking, that would have been like a meltdown.
Rachel Casey (00:01:40):
We have termites.
Rachel Casey (00:01:41):
The day's done.
Rachel Casey (00:01:42):
We're just, I probably would have canceled everything and then just drank.
Rachel Casey (00:01:48):
And, you know, until I couldn't remember we had termites and that would have been that.
Rachel Casey (00:01:52):
And it's like, oh yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:01:54):
They still would have been there.
Rachel Casey (00:01:55):
And they still would have been there.
Rachel Casey (00:01:56):
And they wouldn't have gone anywhere.
Rachel Casey (00:01:58):
That's the worst part.
Rachel Casey (00:02:00):
Well, I'm glad that you're here despite the termites.
Rachel Casey (00:02:02):
I'm sorry.
Rachel Casey (00:02:02):
Hopefully.
Rachel Casey (00:02:04):
We just had a water heater blow up or start leaking everywhere.
Sarah Rathke (00:02:08):
Rachel, that happened to me last week.
Sarah Rathke (00:02:11):
Seriously?
Sarah Rathke (00:02:11):
New water heater.
Sarah Rathke (00:02:12):
Yes.
Sarah Rathke (00:02:14):
Yep.
Sarah Rathke (00:02:15):
Last Sunday, new water heater.
Rachel Casey (00:02:18):
My husband's asking me all these details.
Rachel Casey (00:02:19):
I'm like, I don't care.
Rachel Casey (00:02:22):
We have hot water.
Jane Morgan (00:02:23):
That's about all I care.
Jane Morgan (00:02:24):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:02:25):
So...
Jane Morgan (00:02:26):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:02:27):
Wow.
Jane Morgan (00:02:28):
You guys are like twinning with your sober dates and your hot water heaters.
Rachel Casey (00:02:34):
So what I was going to say about the 4-8,
Rachel Casey (00:02:38):
I,
Rachel Casey (00:02:39):
no kidding,
Rachel Casey (00:02:40):
asked my sponsor in early sobriety if I could relapse on the 8th so I could have
Rachel Casey (00:02:46):
the 8th as a sobriety date.
Rachel Casey (00:02:49):
And she was like, you're kidding, right?
Rachel Casey (00:02:51):
And I was like, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:02:53):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:02:55):
I'm totally kidding.
Rachel Casey (00:02:56):
And I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:02:58):
that does sound like a very naive question,
Rachel Casey (00:03:00):
but in my brain,
Rachel Casey (00:03:01):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:03:02):
I got married on 3-8 because three and eights are my favorite number.
Rachel Casey (00:03:07):
And coincidentally, my son was born 8-3.
Rachel Casey (00:03:09):
And that was not like planned or induced.
Rachel Casey (00:03:12):
It just came that way.
Rachel Casey (00:03:16):
And so in my emails and stuff have all been 8-8-3-3.
Rachel Casey (00:03:19):
And so you talk about like the kind of medium I always...
Rachel Casey (00:03:26):
I go between like coincidence and like feeling that it's more.
Sarah Rathke (00:03:34):
Well, so, yeah, so I'm Sarah and we're mediums.
Sarah Rathke (00:03:40):
And anybody out there doesn't know what a medium is.
Sarah Rathke (00:03:42):
A medium is somebody who is the go-between,
Sarah Rathke (00:03:47):
translates subtle energy from somebody who has crossed into the spirit world for
Sarah Rathke (00:03:53):
someone who is still embodied.
Sarah Rathke (00:03:55):
And...
Sarah Rathke (00:03:58):
I feel like being sober, I became sober because I was a medium.
Sarah Rathke (00:04:03):
And I feel like, Jane, you became a medium because you were sober.
Sarah Rathke (00:04:08):
Is that right?
Jane Morgan (00:04:11):
Well, I call it one of the gifts of sobriety.
Jane Morgan (00:04:14):
Yeah, for sure.
Jane Morgan (00:04:16):
I feel like I would not have become a medium had I not already been sober.
Jane Morgan (00:04:21):
And it was a couple of years.
Jane Morgan (00:04:22):
I had about four years sober before the mediumship really came online.
Jane Morgan (00:04:26):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:04:27):
I do correlate them very closely though.
Jane Morgan (00:04:29):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:04:31):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:04:31):
That's interesting.
Rachel Casey (00:04:32):
Like I feel I,
Rachel Casey (00:04:35):
so what would you say is kind of,
Rachel Casey (00:04:39):
I feel like I have really,
Rachel Casey (00:04:40):
really good intuition and I've been told that by the two sponsors I've had.
Rachel Casey (00:04:44):
And even to the point, like I remember before getting sober, it did scare me.
Rachel Casey (00:04:49):
There were times that it's like.
Rachel Casey (00:04:52):
almost predicting the future,
Rachel Casey (00:04:54):
but it's like a gut feeling,
Rachel Casey (00:04:56):
but not...
Rachel Casey (00:05:00):
And everyone's,
Rachel Casey (00:05:00):
oh,
Rachel Casey (00:05:00):
you have such good intuition.
Rachel Casey (00:05:02):
And I was like, after listening to a couple of years, I'm like, maybe I have something bigger than that.
Rachel Casey (00:05:08):
Not necessarily a medium, but maybe is there someone who's like, what's before medium?
Rachel Casey (00:05:15):
Just like a little, it's, yeah, I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:05:17):
I call it intuition because I'm like, it's that...
Rachel Casey (00:05:22):
voice but i mean i also meditate a lot that has so much to do with so meditation i
Rachel Casey (00:05:29):
get a lot i feel of like messages and i don't know okay my way with my husband i
Rachel Casey (00:05:38):
say like god higher power
Rachel Casey (00:05:42):
he he jokes and says like Allah whatever is um that's just like a language
Rachel Casey (00:05:48):
translation to me so when I say God higher power I just mean the universe something
Rachel Casey (00:05:53):
outside of me um and so I just pray sometimes I say universe sometimes say God I
Rachel Casey (00:05:59):
feel it's a interchangeable word like there's not a great definition um
Rachel Casey (00:06:07):
So, yeah, but in when I pray a lot, I definitely get intuitions on things.
Rachel Casey (00:06:13):
And I mean, I'll meditate for an hour or so a day.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:16):
I mean, it's it's exactly that's exactly what we do.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:20):
It's exactly what we do.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:21):
It is just being open to energy and intuitive energy.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:29):
Because when you're not meditating,
Sarah Rathke (00:06:31):
when you're stuck in that story that you keep telling yourself in your head over
Sarah Rathke (00:06:34):
and over and over again,
Sarah Rathke (00:06:36):
that's kind of what leads you around.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:38):
That's kind of what makes your reality.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:41):
It's kind of what guides your footsteps and pulls you into different things.
Sarah Rathke (00:06:48):
Meditation allows your brain to be quiet so that you can sense everything around you.
Rachel Casey (00:06:57):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:06:57):
I never,
Rachel Casey (00:06:58):
when I got sober,
Rachel Casey (00:06:59):
that was the first time I'd ever experienced a quiet brain,
Rachel Casey (00:07:03):
to be honest.
Rachel Casey (00:07:03):
Like, I do remember I was like, I think it was maybe week one, week two.
Rachel Casey (00:07:09):
And, uh, y'all experienced that where it was, I was almost always in repairing, you know?
Rachel Casey (00:07:17):
So my brain was never quiet.
Rachel Casey (00:07:18):
There was always a need to fix.
Rachel Casey (00:07:19):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:20):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:21):
You know, for me, I feel like it's interesting because I was I was a huge drinker.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:28):
I love drinking.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:29):
I was like a drinker to the max.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:31):
I was I bartended my whole way through undergrad and grad school.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:36):
I was like the fun bartender up on the bar pouring shots Jägermeister down people's throats.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:42):
I got married to a guy who came into the bar and I feel like tequila was our common,
Sarah Rathke (00:07:50):
you know,
Sarah Rathke (00:07:50):
like the thing that pulled us together.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:52):
Like, yeah, definitely a big drinker.
Sarah Rathke (00:07:55):
But as...
Sarah Rathke (00:07:57):
I started to develop my mediumship and I got into mediumship because there was a big, huge loss.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:04):
Someone passed, someone I needed to get in touch with.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:08):
And I had never thought about death before.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:10):
I had never really thought or encountered death.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:14):
or thought about those bigger things like what happens after we die.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:20):
And so mediumship was just a natural thing that I fell into.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:25):
But as I started to realize...
Sarah Rathke (00:08:29):
hey, there's subtle energy out there and I can perceive it.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:33):
The more I drank, the less it felt in alignment with that.
Sarah Rathke (00:08:39):
The less I felt like I wanted to drink because what it felt like was that somebody was taking this drink
Sarah Rathke (00:08:47):
wet blanket of heaviness and throwing it on top of me and i was no longer able to
Sarah Rathke (00:08:53):
sense that beautiful delicious high vibration energy um that made me fall in love
Sarah Rathke (00:09:01):
with you know being an intuitive um and that's interesting restaurants too because
Rachel Casey (00:09:08):
like i feel like that's kind of what made me really good at sometimes reading
Rachel Casey (00:09:13):
people is because you have to
Rachel Casey (00:09:17):
Well, I, in fine dining, they always taught us anticipate the guest needs.
Rachel Casey (00:09:20):
Like you're supposed to know before they know,
Rachel Casey (00:09:23):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:09:24):
like the mise en place of putting a fork,
Rachel Casey (00:09:28):
putting a drink,
Rachel Casey (00:09:28):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:09:29):
uh,
Rachel Casey (00:09:29):
Hey,
Rachel Casey (00:09:29):
do you want to get that?
Rachel Casey (00:09:31):
And I've, I was so good at it and I'm not trying to brag way.
Rachel Casey (00:09:35):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:09:36):
I say that as,
Rachel Casey (00:09:37):
and I don't,
Rachel Casey (00:09:38):
I,
Rachel Casey (00:09:38):
I can't go back now that I'm sober,
Rachel Casey (00:09:40):
but,
Rachel Casey (00:09:41):
um,
Rachel Casey (00:09:42):
and I think I drank really heavily after shifts.
Rachel Casey (00:09:45):
Like, I mean, I got,
Rachel Casey (00:09:47):
hammered like and it it was just a lot because people talk about waiting tables I'm
Rachel Casey (00:09:54):
like in the fine time I mean it was in bartending too especially like a St.
Rachel Casey (00:09:58):
Patrick's Day night where I would go guest bartend or something like that um I
Rachel Casey (00:10:04):
didn't just look at it as a throwaway job like I wanted to be good and uh I do I
Rachel Casey (00:10:10):
didn't even think about maybe the energy that that pulls of
Rachel Casey (00:10:15):
Well, I do know the customer service.
Rachel Casey (00:10:16):
You know,
Rachel Casey (00:10:17):
we all joke like we've had to...
Rachel Casey (00:10:19):
Any customer service industry,
Rachel Casey (00:10:21):
you're like people-pleasing the whole shift,
Rachel Casey (00:10:23):
and then you come out of it and...
Sarah Rathke (00:10:25):
Well,
Sarah Rathke (00:10:25):
and a drink or two...
Sarah Rathke (00:10:28):
makes it a little bit more fun.
Sarah Rathke (00:10:30):
It makes it a little bit easier to,
Sarah Rathke (00:10:32):
it's like that social lubricant,
Sarah Rathke (00:10:36):
like shots with a customer or,
Sarah Rathke (00:10:39):
I mean,
Sarah Rathke (00:10:40):
yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:10:41):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:10:42):
The whole of my twenties, that was the whole of my twenties.
Sarah Rathke (00:10:44):
But I also realized that, you know, cause I worked at a bar for such a long time.
Sarah Rathke (00:10:50):
That I really saw the darker side of the locals that would come in and the heaviness in that as well.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:01):
And drinking for me was just a buffer.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:05):
Like a way that I wasn't feeling all of their energy, you know, because it is.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:11):
Drinking definitely deadens your intuition, for sure.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:15):
At least it did for me.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:16):
I think I've heard some mediums say that they have a couple glasses of wine and
Sarah Rathke (00:11:21):
spirits really come flying in.
Sarah Rathke (00:11:22):
But that's...
Sarah Rathke (00:11:24):
For me, drinking always deadens my intuition, which was kind of lovely.
Rachel Casey (00:11:30):
You can only have a couple glasses of wine.
Rachel Casey (00:11:31):
I'm like, that's just like the after.
Rachel Casey (00:11:33):
I'm like, there's gotta be Jameson before.
Rachel Casey (00:11:36):
And oh man, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:11:41):
I just think adding any, what would it be called?
Rachel Casey (00:11:45):
Any like,
Rachel Casey (00:11:46):
substance that alters the the mind would interfere with like I wouldn't want to be
Rachel Casey (00:11:53):
drunk and do meditation because my meditation it's like I want to be as on point if
Jane Morgan (00:11:58):
I as I can I think well I'm you know and then I had the theory that the reason
Jane Morgan (00:12:04):
they're called spirits meaning the drinks are called spirits is because we leave
Jane Morgan (00:12:10):
I'll speak for myself and I think I heard you say Rachel here on your podcast that
Jane Morgan (00:12:14):
you black out
Jane Morgan (00:12:16):
Oh, yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:12:17):
I mean, I used to.
Jane Morgan (00:12:18):
I haven't in three years.
Rachel Casey (00:12:20):
Exactly.
Jane Morgan (00:12:22):
God willing, you're not going to ever again.
Jane Morgan (00:12:23):
But that was a thing you did in the past.
Jane Morgan (00:12:26):
And I was a blackout drinker as well, and it scared the hell out of me.
Jane Morgan (00:12:30):
But my thought was, where did I go and who's driving?
Jane Morgan (00:12:34):
Because something else was driving my body.
Jane Morgan (00:12:36):
I was talking.
Jane Morgan (00:12:37):
I was animated.
Jane Morgan (00:12:38):
I was yelling.
Jane Morgan (00:12:40):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:12:41):
There's all kinds of things.
Jane Morgan (00:12:42):
But I don't have any memory of it,
Jane Morgan (00:12:45):
which,
Jane Morgan (00:12:46):
you know,
Jane Morgan (00:12:46):
philosophically,
Jane Morgan (00:12:47):
I was like,
Jane Morgan (00:12:48):
maybe that's what happens.
Jane Morgan (00:12:49):
Maybe that's why they're called spirits.
Jane Morgan (00:12:50):
And oh, my God, speaking of spirits, look at your kitty.
Jane Morgan (00:12:53):
But that's so cute.
Rachel Casey (00:12:56):
I think it's their show.
Rachel Casey (00:12:57):
I know.
Jane Morgan (00:12:58):
Yeah, it is their show.
Jane Morgan (00:12:59):
So anyway, that's my theory.
Jane Morgan (00:13:01):
I think it's solid that other spirits come in and drive while you're away.
Sarah Rathke (00:13:07):
I think that's... It's totally right.
Rachel Casey (00:13:10):
Well, I mean, that's...
Rachel Casey (00:13:16):
So I used to like laugh at it and I would tell a bartender,
Rachel Casey (00:13:19):
like,
Rachel Casey (00:13:20):
especially if I felt the energy of,
Rachel Casey (00:13:23):
I think maybe I like passed out or,
Rachel Casey (00:13:26):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:13:26):
I was friends with all the bartenders because we're all service.
Rachel Casey (00:13:30):
And if they're like, oh, you did, oh, that was autopilot, Rachel.
Rachel Casey (00:13:35):
That was not this Rachel.
Rachel Casey (00:13:36):
And like autopilot was blackout Rachel who just went on.
Rachel Casey (00:13:41):
Autopilot is what I called it.
Rachel Casey (00:13:44):
Because I was still functioning.
Rachel Casey (00:13:46):
It's not like I passed out.
Rachel Casey (00:13:48):
I just, for the life of me, could not remember.
Rachel Casey (00:13:52):
Which is even scarier.
Rachel Casey (00:13:55):
To me, I used to think it was my excuse card.
Rachel Casey (00:13:59):
Like, you know, oh, I don't have to take accountability for this.
Rachel Casey (00:14:02):
Like, it wasn't really me.
Rachel Casey (00:14:05):
And like, I won't even get a vaccine right now because...
Rachel Casey (00:14:11):
like where did this went like i i just think it's amazing uh i mean i did also
Rachel Casey (00:14:16):
incorporate drugs too which my husband used to get pretty upset with because when i
Rachel Casey (00:14:23):
went on autopilot the first thing i'm doing is trying to find uppers and i guess
Rachel Casey (00:14:29):
you know again autopilot wasn't thinking who's around who's listening i'm just like
Rachel Casey (00:14:36):
Apparently,
Rachel Casey (00:14:37):
one of the couple weeks before we got sober,
Rachel Casey (00:14:39):
we were in Florida,
Rachel Casey (00:14:41):
and I asked someone right next to a cop,
Rachel Casey (00:14:45):
and I,
Rachel Casey (00:14:45):
again,
Rachel Casey (00:14:45):
don't remember,
Rachel Casey (00:14:46):
but Colin is like,
Rachel Casey (00:14:47):
you have no sense of where you are.
Rachel Casey (00:14:50):
And I'm like, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:14:52):
It's all the pilot's fault.
Rachel Casey (00:14:55):
That's the, oh, man.
Rachel Casey (00:14:58):
I did, speaking of what we did, I've had a lot of requests about dreams.
Rachel Casey (00:15:03):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:15:04):
Um, I had one of those just a couple nights ago, knowing I was coming on here.
Sarah Rathke (00:15:10):
And I did, I looked it up.
Rachel Casey (00:15:13):
Actually,
Rachel Casey (00:15:14):
I like looked up quite a few articles because I was interested in what,
Rachel Casey (00:15:21):
what kind of,
Rachel Casey (00:15:22):
well,
Rachel Casey (00:15:22):
so I'm a psychology major.
Rachel Casey (00:15:24):
Uh, I went back to school.
Rachel Casey (00:15:26):
I had one, I had three credits when I got sober and I was,
Rachel Casey (00:15:30):
i really thought i had a two-year-old i was like there's no way um and i've gotten
Rachel Casey (00:15:34):
accepted i've trans i love school now i would not have loved it at 21 when it
Rachel Casey (00:15:42):
interfered with my drinking which is why i didn't continue i went to the service
Rachel Casey (00:15:45):
industry i was like oh i can do this while drinking you know like it it kind of fit
Rachel Casey (00:15:50):
and i mean it was progressive um
Rachel Casey (00:15:54):
yeah actually i think the one or the higher end the restaurant the heavier the
Rachel Casey (00:15:57):
drinking and i wonder if that does have something to do with
Sarah Rathke (00:16:02):
the pull of pressure though, to the higher end, the restaurant, the more pressure there is.
Sarah Rathke (00:16:09):
And if,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:10):
if we're not,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:11):
if we're not trained or don't have the tools to deal with that pressure,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:16):
we're going to,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:16):
we're going to use whatever tools are at our disposal.
Sarah Rathke (00:16:19):
And quite often that's something like,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:22):
you know,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:22):
the,
Sarah Rathke (00:16:23):
the drink that's sitting right there in your little station.
Rachel Casey (00:16:26):
And I mean, again, it just kind of quiets the voice of,
Rachel Casey (00:16:32):
whatever like uh if you think of even like the angel and devil on your shoulders of
Rachel Casey (00:16:37):
it kind of makes the noise a little quieter um but one of the things that i saw was
Rachel Casey (00:16:45):
drinking dreams while you're sober one of them was to say it was a way that your
Rachel Casey (00:16:51):
body can go through an emotional healing and processing state and they said
Rachel Casey (00:16:57):
It is a safe place for your subconscious mind to process emotions of guilt,
Rachel Casey (00:17:02):
shame,
Rachel Casey (00:17:03):
anger,
Rachel Casey (00:17:03):
fear,
Rachel Casey (00:17:04):
and to help you work through that feeling,
Rachel Casey (00:17:08):
which I feel like that kind of,
Rachel Casey (00:17:10):
aligns i i don't i feel badly i don't really have drinking dreams myself but i've
Rachel Casey (00:17:15):
had many night like dreams nightmares of my husband relapsing and coming home to
Rachel Casey (00:17:21):
him drunk because i always have my tattoo in my dream and i always look and i like
Rachel Casey (00:17:27):
show it and i'm like no i have my symbol i'm sober um but i've had many of him and
Rachel Casey (00:17:35):
that's weird right
Rachel Casey (00:17:36):
I shouldn't be having you.
Jane Morgan (00:17:39):
No, that makes perfect sense.
Jane Morgan (00:17:44):
I mean, your sobriety is really tied together.
Jane Morgan (00:17:47):
Obviously, you're parenting together.
Jane Morgan (00:17:48):
It makes total sense to me that that would be a cause of anxiety.
Jane Morgan (00:17:53):
So what a great place to work it out, not reality.
Jane Morgan (00:17:55):
And I love that you have the tattoo.
Rachel Casey (00:18:00):
You're looking at us three years.
Rachel Casey (00:18:01):
The first year, we...
Rachel Casey (00:18:04):
It was hard because he just... I saw... I was all in on AA.
Rachel Casey (00:18:11):
Like, I mean, obviously.
Rachel Casey (00:18:13):
I got the tattoo, which people told me not to do.
Rachel Casey (00:18:16):
They're like, you're going to relapse.
Sarah Rathke (00:18:17):
You know, if you relapse, you're going to regret it.
Rachel Casey (00:18:19):
And after I went to a 2-4...
Rachel Casey (00:18:23):
meeting i i mean i just i wanted it i wanted to remember that meeting i wanted to
Rachel Casey (00:18:27):
remember that time and i i wanted it um it's not anyone else's tattoo it's mine
Rachel Casey (00:18:34):
it's little i look at it i it's a pause button um but he wasn't even sure if he was
Rachel Casey (00:18:39):
alcoholic or not and i i really struggled with that with with him not knowing
Rachel Casey (00:18:48):
because he he like didn't want to go to me you know he just didn't find his groove
Rachel Casey (00:18:54):
and i would be like did you find a sponsor yet you know and no and he did get one
Rachel Casey (00:19:00):
but they didn't really start working together probably till after the first year um
Rachel Casey (00:19:05):
but i had to learn to let go um
Rachel Casey (00:19:11):
so I know I don't want to be the only one talking but I will share and I really
Rachel Casey (00:19:16):
struggled I think this is why I kind of tossed and turned last night I had a deep
Rachel Casey (00:19:21):
deep that rocketed into the fourth dimension I had and I've only told the story
Rachel Casey (00:19:27):
once maybe to my sponsor but it is like profound to me um
Jane Morgan (00:19:34):
I don't know if Sarah knows the context for The Rocketed to the Fourth Dimension.
Jane Morgan (00:19:37):
I don't.
Jane Morgan (00:19:38):
I'm fascinated.
Rachel Casey (00:19:39):
So I wonder if you can explain before you... Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:19:42):
I even... So in the big book, it's on page 25.
Rachel Casey (00:19:46):
It's one of the...
Rachel Casey (00:19:50):
more wait i know i printed it if not i'll get my i can i mean i feel like i have
Rachel Casey (00:19:56):
the big book memorized um so rocketed into like i said the first year i went like
Rachel Casey (00:20:02):
all all in um bill says there's the point of when
Rachel Casey (00:20:10):
you are no longer, you're in this place of neutrality with alcohol.
Rachel Casey (00:20:13):
So you're not in a place where it usually comes after step nine,
Rachel Casey (00:20:17):
after making amends with the people that you have harmed and you've now realized
Rachel Casey (00:20:22):
your part.
Rachel Casey (00:20:24):
After you're done doing that,
Rachel Casey (00:20:26):
they talk about that you can look the world in the eye,
Rachel Casey (00:20:28):
you're not for alcohol,
Rachel Casey (00:20:31):
you're not against alcohol,
Rachel Casey (00:20:33):
and you find yourself rocketed into the fourth dimension.
Rachel Casey (00:20:37):
And that fourth dimension can be argued, was he referring to
Rachel Casey (00:20:45):
Oh, it's someone from 1909.
Rachel Casey (00:20:47):
I can't remember his name.
Rachel Casey (00:20:49):
I swore I printed it out, but I got excited and printed out a lot of articles.
Rachel Casey (00:20:54):
And they said that it's like the concept of time,
Rachel Casey (00:20:59):
that it's like that fourth dimension that you can't see,
Rachel Casey (00:21:02):
but it can be solved through like a math problem.
Rachel Casey (00:21:04):
Like you can see the reality of it for like a potential time travel, let's say.
Rachel Casey (00:21:09):
But the fourth dimension really means a spiritual experience.
Rachel Casey (00:21:14):
And on that note,
Rachel Casey (00:21:16):
that line,
Rachel Casey (00:21:17):
Rocketed to the Fourth Dimension,
Rachel Casey (00:21:20):
was the cause of the republishment for Edition 2.
Rachel Casey (00:21:25):
Because a lot of people did not have a spiritual experience when they got sober.
Rachel Casey (00:21:30):
And they're reading this, and they said, I wasn't Rocketed into the Fourth Dimension anymore.
Rachel Casey (00:21:36):
what the hell what's wrong with me here yeah yeah exactly so bill added the
Rachel Casey (00:21:41):
spiritual appendix which is why on the bottom of that page you're going to see a
Rachel Casey (00:21:44):
little asterisk at the bottom and it says refer to spiritual experience i think
Rachel Casey (00:21:47):
it's like page 590 something i have it as tabbed in my book um and he basically
Rachel Casey (00:21:54):
explains that not everyone's spiritual experience is the same
Rachel Casey (00:21:56):
Some don't have a burning bush moment.
Rachel Casey (00:21:59):
Sometimes your burning bush moment comes in year two.
Rachel Casey (00:22:01):
Sometimes you're,
Rachel Casey (00:22:02):
but I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:22:03):
they got a mailbox of letters of,
Rachel Casey (00:22:07):
I didn't have a burning bush moment like you did at the cathedral or like you did
Rachel Casey (00:22:12):
with your,
Rachel Casey (00:22:13):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:22:13):
Bob.
Rachel Casey (00:22:14):
And so that, that line actually caused him quite an uproar in the little alcoholic community.
Rachel Casey (00:22:23):
And that's kind of fun backstory stuff on.
Sarah Rathke (00:22:26):
but you were rocketed into the fourth dimension.
Rachel Casey (00:22:30):
I really feel I was.
Rachel Casey (00:22:31):
And it is, it's a common party theme of AA parties.
Rachel Casey (00:22:35):
Like I've been to lots of conventions.
Rachel Casey (00:22:37):
They rock it and it's just kind of fun because you can make sparkles and I've not
Rachel Casey (00:22:42):
been to a men's one yet,
Rachel Casey (00:22:43):
but girls are big on the rocketed fourth dimension.
Rachel Casey (00:22:48):
Again, it's just playful and it,
Rachel Casey (00:22:51):
Well, will you tell us a little bit about that being rocketed there?
Rachel Casey (00:22:55):
So, I mean, I still am lost a word.
Rachel Casey (00:23:01):
I don't think he listens, but, like, I guess it's the truth, so it doesn't really matter.
Rachel Casey (00:23:05):
He's a very heavy drinker.
Rachel Casey (00:23:07):
I mean, handles and packs the cigarettes a day.
Rachel Casey (00:23:11):
And he's been kind of suicidal on and off.
Rachel Casey (00:23:16):
It's hard.
Rachel Casey (00:23:17):
It is, and I feel badly, like,
Rachel Casey (00:23:22):
saying it so lightly,
Rachel Casey (00:23:23):
but it's,
Rachel Casey (00:23:24):
it gets to a point where,
Rachel Casey (00:23:25):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:23:25):
I've told him I,
Rachel Casey (00:23:26):
I would drive down and help him if he wanted to get help,
Rachel Casey (00:23:29):
but he doesn't want to stop drinking or smoking or doing anything.
Rachel Casey (00:23:33):
So there's not really much I can do.
Rachel Casey (00:23:37):
Uh, and I'm not going to sit here and force the program.
Rachel Casey (00:23:40):
Like, cause that's not how it was for me.
Rachel Casey (00:23:42):
I shared cause he had been suicidal and it was her birthday.
Rachel Casey (00:23:46):
And I shared in a meeting that
Rachel Casey (00:23:49):
I just didn't want him to do anything on her birthday.
Rachel Casey (00:23:52):
That was my one prayer for the day.
Rachel Casey (00:23:55):
And I was like, please, please, please, you already forget her birthday.
Rachel Casey (00:24:00):
Please don't off yourself on her birthday.
Rachel Casey (00:24:03):
And I shared that in a meeting because I was new in sobriety.
Rachel Casey (00:24:08):
It was a strong feeling.
Rachel Casey (00:24:09):
And I had a lady grab me after in the Al-Anon room.
Rachel Casey (00:24:16):
And we sat on the floor and she's like, you have to let it go.
Rachel Casey (00:24:20):
And I was like, what do you mean?
Rachel Casey (00:24:22):
And she goes, you have to surrender it.
Rachel Casey (00:24:26):
And if we're to take his life on birthday, that's God's will, not your will.
Rachel Casey (00:24:32):
And like, I really didn't compute it for a little bit.
Rachel Casey (00:24:35):
And I just, I listened to her and there was this, and I surrendered it.
Rachel Casey (00:24:43):
and like for real like so we she like literally had me praying like if that's what
Rachel Casey (00:24:48):
god wants or what the universe wants that's what i want to you know like not
Rachel Casey (00:24:54):
playing god not we don't get to pray for even if it's like oh well it's protecting
Rachel Casey (00:25:01):
you know we don't know the bigger plan and
Rachel Casey (00:25:07):
I mean, she sat with me for like an hour in that Al-Anon room.
Rachel Casey (00:25:10):
By the end of it, I let it go.
Rachel Casey (00:25:12):
And it was like profound.
Rachel Casey (00:25:14):
And yeah,
Rachel Casey (00:25:17):
like I felt that was the most sober I've felt like from that moment because I
Rachel Casey (00:25:25):
learned like I can't control someone else's drinking.
Rachel Casey (00:25:29):
I can't control someone else's thoughts.
Rachel Casey (00:25:30):
And
Rachel Casey (00:25:33):
I mean, it still like gives me goosebumps of like, my perspective changed.
Rachel Casey (00:25:39):
I was thinking,
Rachel Casey (00:25:40):
I'm not being selfish because I'm like in protection mode,
Rachel Casey (00:25:43):
but it still is because I'm in the way of trying to manipulate.
Rachel Casey (00:25:47):
And in the big book, you know, they say like, we're trying to play the director of the play.
Rachel Casey (00:25:51):
We're like, we're the director, we're the, and I let it go.
Rachel Casey (00:25:57):
And I don't want to be the director and I don't want to,
Rachel Casey (00:26:01):
It's a lot of work and it's much easier to be just a player,
Rachel Casey (00:26:07):
but I haven't even had that fear the last few years.
Rachel Casey (00:26:11):
I haven't even realized that,
Rachel Casey (00:26:12):
but I don't talk about that as often just because he's an alcoholic,
Rachel Casey (00:26:17):
but I...
Jane Morgan (00:26:18):
i'm also an alcoholic so i get it right yeah well i mean cunning baffling powerful
Jane Morgan (00:26:23):
what a brutal disease like i know that's the topic here and it and you're you know
Jane Morgan (00:26:27):
i have family members who've died from this too i have i have other family members
Jane Morgan (00:26:31):
i've lost a mental illness through through their it's a brutal disease and i'm it's
Jane Morgan (00:26:35):
a family disease at least in my story and you know i i used to um
Jane Morgan (00:26:42):
made a film about about alcohol and i hung a bunch of glassware in a tree and i
Rachel Casey (00:26:49):
said that's my family tree that's that's about uh i mean yeah and it's weird that
Rachel Casey (00:26:58):
both um and i do think it played a part in me getting sober i lost some friends the
Rachel Casey (00:27:05):
day i found out my grandma had passed and she really
Rachel Casey (00:27:10):
she was 27, 26 years sober.
Rachel Casey (00:27:14):
Um, and she wanted me to go to Al-Anon really badly because of all is, this is my dad's mom.
Rachel Casey (00:27:21):
Um, and then my mom's dad was,
Rachel Casey (00:27:24):
also had just passed earlier that year and he had been sober since 87.
Rachel Casey (00:27:31):
So I had,
Rachel Casey (00:27:32):
and I used to,
Rachel Casey (00:27:34):
after they passed,
Rachel Casey (00:27:35):
I would drink and like,
Rachel Casey (00:27:36):
I was asking myself like,
Rachel Casey (00:27:37):
are they watching me get blackout right now?
Rachel Casey (00:27:40):
And that always gave me an eerie feeling,
Rachel Casey (00:27:44):
which I do think maybe I couldn't have gotten sober until they passed.
Rachel Casey (00:27:48):
Like, I don't know if they were the part that maybe helped me see
Rachel Casey (00:27:55):
what was happening because it was bad.
Sarah Rathke (00:27:57):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:27:59):
Well, they're definitely, they're all together.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:04):
It's like this, you've got this team behind you that wants your highest good, your best outcome.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:11):
Can I share a story?
Sarah Rathke (00:28:13):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:14):
Okay.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:15):
So I'm not an AA, but I, I, I feel like I was introduced to it in the coolest way.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:24):
I was giving a reading to a woman and there was a gentleman that came through and
Sarah Rathke (00:28:30):
he made me feel so much admiration for her,
Sarah Rathke (00:28:34):
so much love for her,
Sarah Rathke (00:28:36):
so much appreciation for her,
Sarah Rathke (00:28:37):
but it felt very fatherly.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:39):
But I knew he wasn't her father and I heard that he was Bill's friend.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:45):
And so I didn't know what that meant.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:48):
And then I felt this, oh, I'm getting chills right now.
Sarah Rathke (00:28:56):
I felt this huge crowd of people standing around behind her and around him.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:02):
And he says, these are all the people that you have helped.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:08):
And these are all the people who have stood by you.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:10):
And these people are all your community.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:13):
And this is what you've built.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:16):
And it's going to be a legacy that goes on far beyond you,
Sarah Rathke (00:29:20):
the stretches of what you've created and who you've reached.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:24):
You'll have no idea.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:26):
And it turned out that that man was her sponsor who had passed many years ago.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:31):
And she had done so much work in this community of being...
Sarah Rathke (00:29:38):
just a mentor and helping so many others who are struggling.
Sarah Rathke (00:29:44):
And there are so many people in her network on the other side who are just rooting and supporting her.
Rachel Casey (00:29:50):
Wow.
Rachel Casey (00:29:53):
I mean, you have to, but that's the thing that's like all the people is I've thought about it is like,
Rachel Casey (00:30:00):
Cause I've sponsored women and you know,
Rachel Casey (00:30:03):
I take,
Rachel Casey (00:30:03):
and again,
Rachel Casey (00:30:04):
the coolest part about AA is there's no rules.
Rachel Casey (00:30:09):
You know, I literally can only share what I did and I can only, or if I didn't do it,
Rachel Casey (00:30:16):
my sponsor probably did it or you know so and then i've now had two girls work the
Rachel Casey (00:30:22):
steps all the way and now they're sponsors and they've having sponsors and it's i
Rachel Casey (00:30:27):
mean that's already like 20 women right there you know so carrying the message is i
Rachel Casey (00:30:35):
mean that's the coolest part of sobriety for me and
Rachel Casey (00:30:39):
I think to feel some,
Rachel Casey (00:30:40):
I've wondered how many women my grandma helped because she was in the program till
Rachel Casey (00:30:45):
the day she died.
Rachel Casey (00:30:45):
My grandpa did not.
Rachel Casey (00:30:47):
He went to AA, got sober and then more church.
Rachel Casey (00:30:53):
Um, but, and again, Colin's kind of opposite where he's not so AA in the beginning.
Rachel Casey (00:31:02):
And I was, um,
Rachel Casey (00:31:07):
all in and now I've kind of been like there's so many different ways to get sober
Rachel Casey (00:31:11):
and there's not one right I think that's even what Bill does say on page 164 is
Rachel Casey (00:31:18):
more will be revealed and he talks about listening to that intuition he talks about
Rachel Casey (00:31:27):
I think if he were alive today, number one, I think he would go on podcasts and talk about sobriety.
Rachel Casey (00:31:34):
He invested all of his leftover money before he died into finding a cure for alcoholism.
Rachel Casey (00:31:42):
But that's where he had also talked about the struggle of depression.
Rachel Casey (00:31:47):
I mean, Bill was big on all aspects of just carrying the message, however that be.
Rachel Casey (00:31:56):
And then the people in AA,
Rachel Casey (00:31:58):
after he passed,
Rachel Casey (00:31:59):
I feel have sometimes been,
Rachel Casey (00:32:00):
and really his wife,
Rachel Casey (00:32:02):
who started Al-Anon.
Rachel Casey (00:32:04):
She was big into, you know, don't change anything.
Rachel Casey (00:32:07):
This is how it works.
Rachel Casey (00:32:08):
This is the traditions.
Rachel Casey (00:32:09):
This is the steps.
Rachel Casey (00:32:10):
You know, they're there for a reason.
Rachel Casey (00:32:12):
I think they said the steps help us not kill ourselves and the traditions help us not kill others.
Rachel Casey (00:32:19):
And that was...
Rachel Casey (00:32:22):
But the world has evolved.
Rachel Casey (00:32:25):
And so I've struggled with starting the podcast, being on the podcast, talking about sobriety in general.
Rachel Casey (00:32:33):
But I do truly do it too.
Jane Morgan (00:32:36):
That's so funny.
Jane Morgan (00:32:37):
I love that you have that theory.
Jane Morgan (00:32:39):
I mean, the point is we can't represent the program.
Rachel Casey (00:32:43):
No, no, no.
Rachel Casey (00:32:45):
I would never want to.
Jane Morgan (00:32:46):
We're members.
Jane Morgan (00:32:47):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:32:48):
No,
Jane Morgan (00:32:48):
but that's the whole reason for the anonymity,
Jane Morgan (00:32:50):
right,
Jane Morgan (00:32:51):
is so that if,
Jane Morgan (00:32:52):
God forbid,
Jane Morgan (00:32:53):
you or I went out,
Jane Morgan (00:32:55):
people could point and say,
Jane Morgan (00:32:56):
this doesn't work.
Jane Morgan (00:32:58):
because you know we went out but the but the but the reality is the numbers are
Jane Morgan (00:33:04):
extremely special and I don't have them at my fingertips but there are many ways to
Rachel Casey (00:33:09):
get sober and this is one that works for 12 ways I was like I looked up you know
Rachel Casey (00:33:15):
what are people doing um not everyone's that you know that's why there's 12
Rachel Casey (00:33:22):
different therapies out there not everyone it doesn't all work for everyone um
Rachel Casey (00:33:28):
Right.
Jane Morgan (00:33:28):
But yeah, but I think you're doing a service here is what I want to say.
Jane Morgan (00:33:33):
I hope so.
Jane Morgan (00:33:34):
That's the goal.
Jane Morgan (00:33:36):
I mean, I'm always out.
Jane Morgan (00:33:37):
I'm out about my sobriety and, you know, and I just call it recovery.
Jane Morgan (00:33:41):
And, you know, it's just a room full of people who have the same problem.
Jane Morgan (00:33:46):
I call it an allergy.
Jane Morgan (00:33:49):
I mean, it's a problem.
Rachel Casey (00:33:50):
Yeah, that's what I say.
Rachel Casey (00:33:51):
I put that on my medical record.
Jane Morgan (00:33:52):
It's a physical allergy.
Rachel Casey (00:33:54):
They ask if I'm allergic to anything.
Rachel Casey (00:33:55):
I say alcohol.
Rachel Casey (00:33:56):
I mean, and I have not, I get some doctors that laugh at it and I'm like, I'm not kidding.
Rachel Casey (00:34:00):
I mean, go look at my generation history.
Rachel Casey (00:34:03):
Like I am, I am from that tree.
Rachel Casey (00:34:06):
I want a picture of that tree and I will show a doctor at the time.
Rachel Casey (00:34:10):
This is my family tree.
Jane Morgan (00:34:11):
Well, I did stand up right after I got sober and I did a bit about the
Jane Morgan (00:34:19):
It was super fun, actually.
Jane Morgan (00:34:22):
I was like, well, I kind of felt like it was the end of my life.
Jane Morgan (00:34:26):
I was like, oh, this is so stupid that I can't drink anymore.
Jane Morgan (00:34:29):
So I'm going to start hitting my bucket list.
Jane Morgan (00:34:32):
And doing stand-up was on my bucket list.
Jane Morgan (00:34:34):
So I was like, OK, I'm going to do stand-up.
Jane Morgan (00:34:36):
And I did a bit where I'd say, can you believe that alcoholics say they're allergic to alcohol?
Jane Morgan (00:34:42):
And of course, I'm talking to a room of alcoholics.
Jane Morgan (00:34:44):
They're all having drinks.
Jane Morgan (00:34:45):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:34:46):
And they're all, they were like, yeah, that's ridiculous.
Jane Morgan (00:34:49):
And I was like, yeah, but I do break out in one night stands.
Rachel Casey (00:34:52):
Yeah.
(00:34:54):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:34:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:34:56):
No, I've been there a lot.
Rachel Casey (00:34:57):
That's so true.
Rachel Casey (00:35:00):
What's the other, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:35:03):
I've had that happen more.
Rachel Casey (00:35:04):
I've never been arrested.
Rachel Casey (00:35:05):
I've had plenty of, I had the worst one was,
Rachel Casey (00:35:10):
I forgot, I blacked out that I had ordered pizza and this is probably 10 years ago.
Rachel Casey (00:35:17):
And the guy used his personal cell and I thought it was the guy I'd met at the bar
Rachel Casey (00:35:21):
and had a one night stand with,
Rachel Casey (00:35:22):
went home and he kept,
Rachel Casey (00:35:25):
I thought he was being joking.
Rachel Casey (00:35:26):
Like, I don't know who you are.
Rachel Casey (00:35:27):
I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:35:28):
I'm like, okay, don't be like coy.
Rachel Casey (00:35:31):
It's the freaking Domino's delivery driver.
Rachel Casey (00:35:33):
And his girlfriend is on the phone.
Rachel Casey (00:35:35):
I was like, oh my God, I forgot I ordered pizza.
Rachel Casey (00:35:40):
I'm like, I had nothing to do with your boyfriend.
Rachel Casey (00:35:43):
I'm so sorry.
Rachel Casey (00:35:44):
Oh my God.
Rachel Casey (00:35:45):
Oh my God.
Rachel Casey (00:35:46):
It was so bad.
Rachel Casey (00:35:46):
This was right before I met my husband too.
Rachel Casey (00:35:50):
And, um, thank God.
Rachel Casey (00:35:51):
Like he saved me from so many.
Rachel Casey (00:36:04):
we had some adventures oh my god so yeah i was gonna say so what do you guys talk
Rachel Casey (00:36:12):
to you how old are your kids so my my son's five and we do tell him we're
Rachel Casey (00:36:17):
alcoholics and we talk about it we say mommy and daddy don't drink and he doesn't
Rachel Casey (00:36:21):
quite understand what that means yet he's so little
Rachel Casey (00:36:24):
well we could and he he'll say he's an allotot we're like you're a little he goes
Rachel Casey (00:36:28):
to meetings with that he used to he loves birthday night because oh that's so cute
Rachel Casey (00:36:34):
everyone has he's grown up in the rooms he everyone loves him there like i mean he
Rachel Casey (00:36:41):
looks at those people as our family you know um even when we see him just out in
Rachel Casey (00:36:45):
public at target or you know um i've never had anyone ask me how does how do you
Rachel Casey (00:36:51):
know so and so but
Rachel Casey (00:36:54):
I usually would, I've practiced like a friend of a friend.
Rachel Casey (00:36:57):
I don't even say a friend of Bill because it's so popular now.
Rachel Casey (00:37:01):
I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:37:02):
I think that would give it away.
Jane Morgan (00:37:05):
Right?
Jane Morgan (00:37:06):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:37:06):
I just say friend of a friend.
Jane Morgan (00:37:08):
I say friend of a friend.
Jane Morgan (00:37:09):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:37:10):
I'm like, oh, we're calling it just friend of friend.
Jane Morgan (00:37:13):
I don't know.
Jane Morgan (00:37:13):
Friend of a friend.
Jane Morgan (00:37:14):
And then, and you just keep it shut down.
Jane Morgan (00:37:16):
Cause it just happened to me.
Jane Morgan (00:37:17):
I was on Island and I'm on a small Island.
Jane Morgan (00:37:19):
And someone was like, I was with a friend and another fellow, we were looking at the surf.
Jane Morgan (00:37:22):
Another fellow walked up and we're chatting.
Jane Morgan (00:37:24):
I know him.
Jane Morgan (00:37:25):
Well, I know him really well.
Jane Morgan (00:37:27):
And she's like, how do you know him?
Jane Morgan (00:37:28):
And I'm like, friend of a friend.
Jane Morgan (00:37:30):
And then I just kept walking.
Jane Morgan (00:37:32):
It's not a lie.
Jane Morgan (00:37:33):
It's true.
Jane Morgan (00:37:34):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:37:35):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:37):
It's funny.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:37):
I've heard you talking about like, um,
Sarah Rathke (00:37:40):
Like going to, on your podcast, like, oh no, I'm going to the bar.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:44):
I'm going to go to this party.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:45):
And what's everyone going to think when I'm not drinking?
Sarah Rathke (00:37:48):
I'm going to like disguise my drink.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:49):
It's like, I've been to so many parties now.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:52):
Nobody cares.
Sarah Rathke (00:37:54):
Nobody cares.
Rachel Casey (00:37:56):
But I did for the first, I mean, even the first Thanksgiving, four days sober, I got everyone.
Rachel Casey (00:38:03):
Everyone, everyone was like, there's only one reason Rachel couldn't be drinking.
Rachel Casey (00:38:07):
Like there's literally, and by Christmas still,
Rachel Casey (00:38:11):
we hadn't i don't think we had told our family quite yet because colin again he was
Rachel Casey (00:38:16):
on my mom obviously knew because she was the one that helped us get there um but
Rachel Casey (00:38:21):
colin's parents we didn't he wasn't quite sure what he was yeah he didn't know if
Rachel Casey (00:38:26):
we were going to stay together or not um and i i mean it was it was really a day at
Rachel Casey (00:38:35):
a time um
Rachel Casey (00:38:37):
it takes time.
Rachel Casey (00:38:38):
So like if someone is new in sobriety and listening, it's not like...
Rachel Casey (00:38:43):
It's not instant at all.
Rachel Casey (00:38:44):
And it took me a while to learn even how to deal with my toddler because I was so
Rachel Casey (00:38:50):
used to numbing out to his crazy array of emotions.
Rachel Casey (00:38:55):
And I used to tell him, I'm growing up too, honey.
Rachel Casey (00:38:59):
Like, I don't know how to handle this.
Rachel Casey (00:39:01):
Like, I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:39:03):
And we're learning together.
Rachel Casey (00:39:04):
And I was wondering what y'all's experiences as moms.
Rachel Casey (00:39:09):
I don't know the ages.
Rachel Casey (00:39:10):
I hadn't heard it brought up yet, but...
Sarah Rathke (00:39:15):
Well, we have boys the same age.
Sarah Rathke (00:39:17):
We've got big old teenage boys.
Sarah Rathke (00:39:19):
That's how we met.
Sarah Rathke (00:39:20):
They were in the same kindergarten class.
Sarah Rathke (00:39:21):
So mine's 16 and yours is 15, right, Jane?
Jane Morgan (00:39:27):
Yeah, I got sober...
Jane Morgan (00:39:29):
And my boys was born a couple days on either side of that, I'll just say.
Jane Morgan (00:39:34):
I won't say his precise birthday.
Jane Morgan (00:39:36):
But I joked that I was going to call him Chip because at three months sober, I got pregnant.
Jane Morgan (00:39:48):
And so my sobriety date was allegedly my delivery date.
Jane Morgan (00:39:51):
Wow.
Jane Morgan (00:39:54):
Yes.
Jane Morgan (00:39:55):
That's what the doctors were telling me.
Jane Morgan (00:39:56):
They were like, you're going to have a baby on the 8th of April.
Jane Morgan (00:39:59):
And I was like, that'll be a good day.
Rachel Casey (00:40:02):
yeah i mean we're gonna name evan jameson because that's what we were drunk on and
Sarah Rathke (00:40:06):
he got made well we were gonna have a boy and a girl and call them jack and ginger
Rachel Casey (00:40:13):
so yeah yes i mean it's just like but alcohol is so big to me that i was like i
Rachel Casey (00:40:21):
didn't find it alarming that i'm like i'm gonna name my kid after my favorite
Rachel Casey (00:40:26):
alcohol
Rachel Casey (00:40:28):
And, you know, I am glad we went with Evan.
Rachel Casey (00:40:32):
I mean, the minute he was born.
Sarah Rathke (00:40:34):
He was not a Jameson.
Sarah Rathke (00:40:36):
No, no.
Rachel Casey (00:40:37):
And I did, I did have Jameson that day, but no, he was.
Rachel Casey (00:40:42):
And again, that's just, I was so excited to have a drink again.
Rachel Casey (00:40:46):
And that was kind of my rationalization to call.
Rachel Casey (00:40:49):
And I'm like,
Rachel Casey (00:40:49):
I went nine months without drinking,
Rachel Casey (00:40:51):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:40:51):
like I did not go,
Rachel Casey (00:40:53):
I did not have a glass of wine.
Rachel Casey (00:40:55):
I had nothing.
Rachel Casey (00:40:56):
Um, well the night I found out I, I rallied and I was like, well, he's survived up to this point.
Rachel Casey (00:41:02):
So we don't know what's happening.
Rachel Casey (00:41:04):
I took like pregnancy tests.
Rachel Casey (00:41:06):
It was bad.
Rachel Casey (00:41:07):
Um,
Rachel Casey (00:41:09):
I would not stop falling asleep.
Rachel Casey (00:41:11):
That was when the real blackouts happened.
Rachel Casey (00:41:13):
I was like, blackout fall asleep.
Rachel Casey (00:41:15):
And I knew something was off.
Rachel Casey (00:41:17):
So we're drunk, going home in an Uber.
Rachel Casey (00:41:19):
I stop at the 24-hour CVS trying to incognito buy pregnancy tests.
Rachel Casey (00:41:26):
I'm wasted peeing on sticks.
Rachel Casey (00:41:29):
And I mean, they're all positive.
Rachel Casey (00:41:30):
I'm like, are you sure?
Rachel Casey (00:41:31):
Maybe this is a bad one.
Rachel Casey (00:41:35):
Oh.
(00:41:36):
Oh, totally.
Rachel Casey (00:41:37):
I love you, Evan.
Rachel Casey (00:41:38):
You're the best thing that ever happened.
Rachel Casey (00:41:40):
But yeah, we were not convinced yet.
Rachel Casey (00:41:44):
Oh, my God.
Rachel Casey (00:41:45):
That was wild.
Rachel Casey (00:41:47):
But being a sober mom is probably one of my favorite things.
Rachel Casey (00:41:54):
But you do get the energy, or at least I have now, that he's in kindergarten.
Rachel Casey (00:41:59):
We're kind of starting to socialize with the parents in the neighborhood.
Rachel Casey (00:42:03):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:42:03):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:42:05):
And some of them, they get, I've gotten a little few weird text messages like for Halloween.
Rachel Casey (00:42:13):
Oh, there's going to be alcohol around.
Rachel Casey (00:42:14):
Are you going to be okay?
Rachel Casey (00:42:15):
I'm like, yeah, I'm, you know, and then Colin will get like cornered.
Rachel Casey (00:42:19):
And they, I think I used to have a drinking problem.
Rachel Casey (00:42:22):
Like, I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:42:22):
I have like two or three, you know, he's like,
Rachel Casey (00:42:25):
He'd rather just not talk about it.
Rachel Casey (00:42:26):
He's like, it's so awkward.
Rachel Casey (00:42:28):
Or what are teachers going to think?
Rachel Casey (00:42:30):
You know,
Rachel Casey (00:42:30):
what are teachers worried that like he,
Rachel Casey (00:42:32):
we've relapsed or something,
Rachel Casey (00:42:34):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:42:34):
like as far as school systems or I don't,
Rachel Casey (00:42:38):
I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:42:39):
I'm not, I don't think that much into it, but I mean, I think still so little.
Sarah Rathke (00:42:46):
And I think you'll find that as he gets older and
Sarah Rathke (00:42:50):
There's such a huge,
Sarah Rathke (00:42:53):
broad variety of all different kinds of parents out there who have all different
Sarah Rathke (00:42:58):
kinds of things that they're dealing with.
Sarah Rathke (00:43:00):
And, you know, alcoholism is just one of the things that people deal with.
Sarah Rathke (00:43:05):
So you just...
Sarah Rathke (00:43:07):
you have compassion and you assume and hope that everybody else has compassion for
Sarah Rathke (00:43:12):
what you go through and you do the same because raising a kid's hard and there's so
Sarah Rathke (00:43:18):
many different factors that go into being a family.
Sarah Rathke (00:43:23):
So, so many, so many.
Rachel Casey (00:43:26):
And again, you know, my mom sober.
Rachel Casey (00:43:29):
So, you know, he knows Nana doesn't drink, but Colin's parents do drink.
Rachel Casey (00:43:35):
So we have,
Rachel Casey (00:43:37):
It's very funny when I think it was maybe at Thanksgiving pointing to a bottle.
Rachel Casey (00:43:41):
He's like, what's that?
Rachel Casey (00:43:42):
And I was like, I never thought my kid wouldn't recognize a bottle.
Rachel Casey (00:43:49):
It's just I never thought I'd be sober.
Rachel Casey (00:43:51):
I really didn't.
Rachel Casey (00:43:52):
Never thought.
Rachel Casey (00:43:53):
Never thought in a million years.
Rachel Casey (00:43:57):
It's baffling sometimes to me that I'm like, oh, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:44:02):
I thought that was my world.
Rachel Casey (00:44:05):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:44:07):
That's why I couldn't listen to my grandmother who,
Rachel Casey (00:44:10):
and she would drag me into meetings when I was little.
Rachel Casey (00:44:13):
And I say drag because I didn't really want to go.
Rachel Casey (00:44:15):
And the only thing I liked is that she'd let me put the dollar in the basket.
Rachel Casey (00:44:21):
And I thought that was fun.
Rachel Casey (00:44:23):
And then I was ready to go.
Rachel Casey (00:44:24):
And there was a bunch of sodas.
Rachel Casey (00:44:27):
But yeah,
Rachel Casey (00:44:29):
I really like,
Rachel Casey (00:44:30):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:44:31):
if I were to want a medium experience,
Rachel Casey (00:44:34):
I think it would be like with my grandmother,
Rachel Casey (00:44:37):
because I know how beautiful
Rachel Casey (00:44:39):
how desperately she wanted my dad to get sober.
Rachel Casey (00:44:41):
But once even then she started seeing how bad it was with me.
Rachel Casey (00:44:46):
When my dad did come down for the, my son's second birthday that I don't remember.
Rachel Casey (00:44:52):
And it was at nine 30 in the morning.
Rachel Casey (00:44:55):
And I was blacked out for that birthday for a two year old's birthday party.
Rachel Casey (00:45:00):
I don't remember.
Rachel Casey (00:45:01):
I don't have one picture even.
Rachel Casey (00:45:05):
And my dad had made a note the day before that he was impressed with my drinking.
Rachel Casey (00:45:13):
And that was...
Rachel Casey (00:45:17):
two months before I got sober.
Rachel Casey (00:45:18):
And I was like, wait a minute.
Rachel Casey (00:45:21):
If he's impressed with my drinking, something is severely wrong.
Rachel Casey (00:45:26):
And that was kind of the planted of the seed.
Rachel Casey (00:45:30):
And then grandma passing away was another.
Rachel Casey (00:45:33):
And I mean, after her funeral, I just, I had, I couldn't handle it.
Rachel Casey (00:45:37):
I tried so hard not to drink that trip too.
Rachel Casey (00:45:39):
Cause I went to California to go
Rachel Casey (00:45:41):
into Santa Monica, which made me miss her a lot.
Rachel Casey (00:45:45):
And, uh, cause I used to go there every summer and, uh, yeah, I, I couldn't handle it.
Rachel Casey (00:45:52):
I'm surprised they let me on the airplane, to be honest.
Rachel Casey (00:45:53):
I was done.
Rachel Casey (00:45:56):
Those pictures are bad.
Rachel Casey (00:45:59):
Well, yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:45:59):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:46:01):
But it keeps me sober, to be honest.
Rachel Casey (00:46:03):
So on the newsletter, I know that you guys have, your podcast is fantastic.
Rachel Casey (00:46:09):
Oh, thanks.
Rachel Casey (00:46:10):
I'm going to share it.
Rachel Casey (00:46:11):
I already have the logo I downloaded off your site.
Rachel Casey (00:46:15):
And I love the purple.
Rachel Casey (00:46:17):
It's so simple, yet it's gravitating.
Rachel Casey (00:46:21):
I just love the color.
Rachel Casey (00:46:24):
I like both of y'all's website.
Rachel Casey (00:46:26):
I like that you each individually, because you're both medium separately.
Rachel Casey (00:46:30):
Right.
Rachel Casey (00:46:31):
Right.
Rachel Casey (00:46:31):
But have you done any together or no?
Sarah Rathke (00:46:35):
We have.
Sarah Rathke (00:46:37):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:46:38):
But, but we have, we have done links together before too as well.
Rachel Casey (00:46:43):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:46:44):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:46:44):
It's yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:46:46):
I feel like it would be hard when someone you're close with it.
Rachel Casey (00:46:49):
It's kind of like the same of,
Rachel Casey (00:46:50):
I was always told,
Rachel Casey (00:46:52):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:46:52):
never sell like a big item,
Rachel Casey (00:46:53):
like a car to a friend.
Rachel Casey (00:46:55):
Like,
Rachel Casey (00:46:55):
I feel like that would be like,
Rachel Casey (00:46:56):
don't never do therapy with,
Rachel Casey (00:46:58):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:46:59):
someone you're good friends with.
Rachel Casey (00:47:00):
I think mediums I'd be like, if I know you too well, I don't want to, what, what if I get a reading?
Rachel Casey (00:47:06):
I don't want to tell you.
Rachel Casey (00:47:09):
And now you're like,
Sarah Rathke (00:47:11):
Well, it's nice having friends as mediums because you can ask them all the time.
Sarah Rathke (00:47:16):
Hey, can you check into this for me?
Sarah Rathke (00:47:18):
Hey, did I get the right feeling?
Sarah Rathke (00:47:20):
Was that my intuition?
Sarah Rathke (00:47:22):
Is that what you're getting about this situation?
Sarah Rathke (00:47:24):
Or what if they don't agree with it, though?
Sarah Rathke (00:47:28):
Has that happened?
Jane Morgan (00:47:31):
it lines up that lines up pretty well yeah we just did it yesterday sarah's running
Jane Morgan (00:47:36):
something by me and i was running something by her and she just told me exactly
Rachel Casey (00:47:39):
what to do like like that's a part of honesty in the mediumship like if you're not
Rachel Casey (00:47:45):
if you're really true to your core honest you know the feedback i've felt never
Rachel Casey (00:47:50):
gotten in a fight sober and people are like well how do you i'm like anytime i've
Rachel Casey (00:47:55):
had a hard conversation especially with my husband um
Rachel Casey (00:47:59):
Or a sponsee where I'm like, I don't want to tell them that like, that's not what they should be doing.
Rachel Casey (00:48:05):
I feel that when I'm honest to my core, like I review and I'm like, I know what I'm saying.
Rachel Casey (00:48:11):
I never get bad feedback because it's honest.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:15):
Well, I mean, there is something about being in alignment and being in the truth.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:20):
Um, and that's the thing about not drinking.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:23):
I mean,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:23):
I remember when I was drinking,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:25):
it was always so fun going out,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:28):
having these conversations,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:30):
but none,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:30):
it was just like talking shit.
Rachel Casey (00:48:33):
I was, yeah, I didn't say nice.
Rachel Casey (00:48:35):
I had a lot of amends for things like I don't necessarily even remember saying.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:38):
Right.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:39):
And then the waking up the next morning is like, oh my God, what did I say?
Sarah Rathke (00:48:42):
Like, what do I need to be embarrassed about?
Sarah Rathke (00:48:44):
What do I need to go and apologize for?
Sarah Rathke (00:48:47):
Is there some backtracking that needs to happen?
Rachel Casey (00:48:48):
I'd have to go look at my text message and be like, why did I say that?
Rachel Casey (00:48:51):
Like, it was so unnecessary.
Rachel Casey (00:48:53):
Like I started drama just to start drama.
Rachel Casey (00:48:57):
Well,
Sarah Rathke (00:48:57):
There, that's the thing.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:58):
That's the thing.
Sarah Rathke (00:48:59):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:00):
And I feel like dealing in what Jane and I deal with when it really is just being
Sarah Rathke (00:49:04):
radically aligned with what is true.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:07):
What is true?
Sarah Rathke (00:49:09):
So, I mean, that's intuition.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:11):
Intuition is nothing but the truth for you.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:14):
There's nothing that is going to be untrue for you that you get through intuition.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:18):
It's always going to be in alignment with your truth.
Sarah Rathke (00:49:21):
So...
Sarah Rathke (00:49:23):
I do not think I mean,
Sarah Rathke (00:49:25):
so for me,
Sarah Rathke (00:49:26):
it was pretty actually easy giving up alcohol because being intoxicated,
Sarah Rathke (00:49:32):
being having that sway in my judgment was not there was no alignment in it for me.
Rachel Casey (00:49:38):
so um well there might have been maybe a little bit but i'm sure it's like you know
Rachel Casey (00:49:42):
the chemical and it just sways like i think there were times maybe but again it's
Rachel Casey (00:49:47):
the embellishment it's the making it so much bigger than what it needs to be or is
Rachel Casey (00:49:52):
um yeah i can totally but yeah i think that was what bill's big point too was like
Rachel Casey (00:50:00):
when he talks about that moral inventory of
Rachel Casey (00:50:04):
I think somewhere it's,
Rachel Casey (00:50:05):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:50:06):
you're as sick as your secrets and is making sure like you're authentically honest.
Rachel Casey (00:50:11):
And again, that's, those are the things in sobriety I didn't know I'd learn.
Rachel Casey (00:50:18):
Like I thought it would just be this boring life and it's like anything but.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:25):
Do you know who Martha Beck is?
Sarah Rathke (00:50:29):
I do not.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:31):
Martha Beck?
Sarah Rathke (00:50:32):
Martha Beck.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:33):
I feel like she's like a spiritual teacher, like a spiritual type guru.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:38):
And she wrote this book called The Way of Integrity.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:40):
And she came to it.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:43):
She was married.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:44):
She was a Mormon.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:46):
She had this life of like, this is what it has to look like.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:51):
This is what you have to achieve.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:52):
She was like a Harvard PhD.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:54):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:50:55):
living this life very much in this constrained box and she was very sick very ill
Sarah Rathke (00:51:01):
she had autoimmune stuff that was making her unable to move she was really really
Sarah Rathke (00:51:07):
suffering and she had this epiphany i need to speak the truth i'm going to do one
Sarah Rathke (00:51:13):
year solid everything that comes out of my mouth is going to be absolutely the
Sarah Rathke (00:51:18):
truth i'm not going to
Sarah Rathke (00:51:20):
say any white lies.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:20):
I'm not going to say anything to make anybody else comfortable.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:23):
You know, it's going to be 100% my truth.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:27):
And she radically within that year changed absolutely everything in her life.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:33):
Like she ended up, she's now, she's gay.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:36):
She's got this huge...
Sarah Rathke (00:51:39):
She just followed what her path was supposed to be.
Sarah Rathke (00:51:43):
And it was because of living in alignment with her truth.
Rachel Casey (00:51:48):
So it feels better.
Rachel Casey (00:51:49):
I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:51:50):
I literally can't explain how or the best way I would explain is like,
Rachel Casey (00:51:54):
you know,
Rachel Casey (00:51:54):
the weights at the gym.
Rachel Casey (00:51:56):
It's like.
Rachel Casey (00:51:58):
It doesn't sound like a lot,
Rachel Casey (00:51:59):
but when you have 10,
Rachel Casey (00:52:00):
10 pound weights come off of like,
Rachel Casey (00:52:02):
you've been just carrying it.
Rachel Casey (00:52:04):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:52:04):
A lot of weights.
Rachel Casey (00:52:05):
It might not look like a lot when you're like,
Rachel Casey (00:52:08):
Oh,
Rachel Casey (00:52:09):
this one truth was really,
Rachel Casey (00:52:10):
but when it starts adding up,
Rachel Casey (00:52:12):
it's so much.
Sarah Rathke (00:52:14):
And it's the truth to yourself too.
Sarah Rathke (00:52:17):
Like what, what truths are you telling, you know, are you speaking truth to yourself?
Rachel Casey (00:52:22):
That's where meditation is big for me.
Sarah Rathke (00:52:24):
Yeah, that's beautiful.
Rachel Casey (00:52:26):
That's where I go in.
Rachel Casey (00:52:29):
And I do like guided.
Rachel Casey (00:52:30):
I have ADHD, man.
Rachel Casey (00:52:32):
Like I can't get there in the beginning.
Rachel Casey (00:52:34):
I need someone to count the breath.
Rachel Casey (00:52:36):
And then I go silent.
Rachel Casey (00:52:38):
But I do, I will get too distracted.
Rachel Casey (00:52:41):
I'm like, I've started doing shower meditations, which are awesome.
Rachel Casey (00:52:45):
um but anyway yeah anyways meditation was that step 11 in the big book and um again
Rachel Casey (00:52:53):
another inference that bill does say go seek people that have more information than
Rachel Casey (00:52:59):
me go talk to your pastor go talk to the rabbi go there is plenty of information
Rachel Casey (00:53:06):
um that you know he also talks about going and carrying the message he was like go
Rachel Casey (00:53:10):
up to the hospital he's like they're they'll give you I mean obviously HIPAA but
Rachel Casey (00:53:15):
you know he's like you're the doctor probably knows more alcoholics than you know
Rachel Casey (00:53:18):
you know the priest the pastor and
Rachel Casey (00:53:22):
I think the other note of the anonymity and how it started, the book is how it started.
Rachel Casey (00:53:30):
100 men had recovered.
Rachel Casey (00:53:31):
That's what the initial book of alcoholics, it was the first 100 men, not women.
Sarah Rathke (00:53:39):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:53:39):
Men had recovered.
Rachel Casey (00:53:41):
And now in the fourth edition, it says thousands.
Rachel Casey (00:53:45):
So...
Rachel Casey (00:53:47):
And that was after, and that was a big, big edit going from a hundred to a thousand.
Rachel Casey (00:53:53):
I mean, and you have people just yapping and arguing over traditions.
Rachel Casey (00:53:57):
And if you want to see people fight over a paint color of the same yellows, go to a group conscience.
Rachel Casey (00:54:04):
It's a lot of fun.
Rachel Casey (00:54:06):
I'm like, oh no, but it also saved my life.
Rachel Casey (00:54:10):
So, I mean,
Rachel Casey (00:54:12):
I don't know.
Rachel Casey (00:54:12):
I don't know if I would have been alive if it weren't for what Bill's, the book, I love.
Rachel Casey (00:54:18):
I mean, I study it in and out.
Rachel Casey (00:54:22):
I listened, I found his talks and he's a funny guy.
Rachel Casey (00:54:27):
And if you, studying the big book, you can see so much humor.
Rachel Casey (00:54:31):
Like even when he talks about the,
Rachel Casey (00:54:33):
more about alcoholism,
Rachel Casey (00:54:35):
the guy who goes into work on a Tuesday and you know,
Rachel Casey (00:54:37):
that was a joke because he was too hungover to go in Monday.
Rachel Casey (00:54:41):
you know, and there's like these very little things that he adds and it's, it's nice.
Rachel Casey (00:54:48):
I know we're kind of running on time and I know, can you tell me maybe a little bit about the newsletter?
Sarah Rathke (00:54:54):
Oh, just go to the mediumcurious.com and you can just sign up on the mediumcurious.com website.
Rachel Casey (00:55:02):
I think it's great that you guys have a newsletter.
Rachel Casey (00:55:04):
I know that you guys also,
Rachel Casey (00:55:05):
I saw,
Rachel Casey (00:55:06):
you can book a meeting over Zoom if someone wanted to reach out and say,
Rachel Casey (00:55:09):
hey,
Rachel Casey (00:55:09):
they want to have a reading.
Rachel Casey (00:55:10):
You guys will meet on Zoom, correct?
Rachel Casey (00:55:13):
So it could be anyone, anywhere.
Sarah Rathke (00:55:15):
Anywhere, anywhere in the world.
Rachel Casey (00:55:17):
Obviously you have to do time zones, but you know.
Sarah Rathke (00:55:21):
Yeah, Spirit does not need to be in person because it is not in person.
Sarah Rathke (00:55:25):
Yeah.
Sarah Rathke (00:55:26):
And then just pick out our podcast because then you can hear all of these other...
Sarah Rathke (00:55:32):
cool stories about yeah I feel like they're amazing mediums yeah I think it's so
Rachel Casey (00:55:38):
cool what y'all do and it's not necessarily like a sobriety focus so if you're
Rachel Casey (00:55:43):
listening and you know you're like oh it's only this is not their podcast is not a
Rachel Casey (00:55:49):
sobriety they are both sober but it is just a medium of
Rachel Casey (00:55:54):
podcast so if you have someone like you're like oh they can't do it because they're
Rachel Casey (00:55:58):
so you know not sober that's not what it is it's there is kind of different we just
Rachel Casey (00:56:04):
kind of did a collab because we do have this commonality but it doesn't have um
Rachel Casey (00:56:10):
sober banter is more on the sober side.
Rachel Casey (00:56:12):
The medium curious is for those who are curious about mediums and curious about sobriety.
Rachel Casey (00:56:18):
And we're just kind of for, I thought Friday the 13th, how beautiful to come together.
Sarah Rathke (00:56:23):
I just realized it was Friday the 13th.
Sarah Rathke (00:56:26):
Oh my goodness.
Sarah Rathke (00:56:26):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:56:28):
Friday the 13th, my father-in-law, 13 is his favorite number.
Rachel Casey (00:56:31):
So he thinks today's his like lucky day and that's now how I look at it.
Rachel Casey (00:56:35):
Go buy some lottery tickets, right?
Rachel Casey (00:56:37):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:56:37):
It's all positive perspectives.
Rachel Casey (00:56:40):
I'm, yeah, I think this was great.
Rachel Casey (00:56:43):
So I'm going to have links to everything in...
Rachel Casey (00:56:46):
the bio um so i'll i'm going to try and do if i can like even the embedded and i'll
Rachel Casey (00:56:51):
tag you on substack too sarah i didn't know if you had a substack or not no okay i
Sarah Rathke (00:56:57):
i someday i'll write but
Rachel Casey (00:57:00):
Well, they're doing now, they're doing podcasting and video now on Substack and it's doing fairly well.
Rachel Casey (00:57:06):
Wow.
Rachel Casey (00:57:07):
I didn't know that.
Rachel Casey (00:57:08):
But I mean, everyone expands, right?
Rachel Casey (00:57:10):
Like there's always gotta be a,
Rachel Casey (00:57:12):
I hope that our little sober banter doesn't go too much further than what we are
Rachel Casey (00:57:16):
right now.
Rachel Casey (00:57:17):
Like,
Rachel Casey (00:57:18):
I love this.
Rachel Casey (00:57:19):
I love that we've gotten to connect.
Rachel Casey (00:57:21):
Thank you guys so much.
Sarah Rathke (00:57:23):
One thing about podcasting, it really is fun to connect.
Sarah Rathke (00:57:26):
I mean, it's just like this cool little universe.
Sarah Rathke (00:57:32):
It really is.
Sarah Rathke (00:57:32):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:57:33):
And I've learned in the sobriety podcasting world,
Rachel Casey (00:57:37):
it's even nicer because everyone is,
Rachel Casey (00:57:39):
I haven't had any negative experiences.
Rachel Casey (00:57:43):
experiences like you know even reschedules or conflicts it's all been oh hey yeah
Rachel Casey (00:57:50):
no big deal like yeah you know again we're all sober working we don't take life too
Rachel Casey (00:57:55):
seriously um and it's it's just been nice i've i interned for a podcast and that's
Rachel Casey (00:58:02):
not so much in the sports world you know they're more competing with each other i
Rachel Casey (00:58:06):
don't feel that with sobriety podcasts i don't feel like oh you're gonna
Rachel Casey (00:58:11):
steal my listeners or anything like that.
Rachel Casey (00:58:13):
Like we're all just like sharing the message.
Rachel Casey (00:58:15):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:58:15):
Carry the message.
Rachel Casey (00:58:17):
So I'm, I'm hoping that people come.
Rachel Casey (00:58:19):
You're winning.
Rachel Casey (00:58:21):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:58:22):
Hey, listen, I bet the meetings in Hawaii are amazing.
Rachel Casey (00:58:25):
I can't even imagine like that's, that has to be spiritual.
Rachel Casey (00:58:30):
I can, at least that's what I would think.
Rachel Casey (00:58:32):
So maybe not.
Jane Morgan (00:58:33):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:58:34):
I go to a meeting on the beach and on Sunday mornings, it's very special.
Jane Morgan (00:58:38):
I mean, it's so beautiful everywhere.
Jane Morgan (00:58:40):
Yeah.
Rachel Casey (00:58:41):
I hope that some people reach out and they want to have a reading or at least follow the newsletter.
Rachel Casey (00:58:46):
It's really... I'll be following.
Rachel Casey (00:58:48):
I'm like already...
Rachel Casey (00:58:50):
I'm excited.
Rachel Casey (00:58:51):
I already bookmarked it.
Rachel Casey (00:58:53):
So if you saw people, someone on Spotify, follow and save, that was me.
Rachel Casey (00:58:56):
I gave five stars.
Rachel Casey (00:58:57):
So I was like, thank you.
Rachel Casey (00:59:00):
And back to you.
Jane Morgan (00:59:01):
Your podcast is really fun.
Jane Morgan (00:59:03):
I love listening to it, getting to know you guys.
Jane Morgan (00:59:05):
Yeah.
Jane Morgan (00:59:06):
It's very special.
Jane Morgan (00:59:07):
So thanks for having us.
Sarah Rathke (00:59:09):
I think the couple dynamic is what I just love.
Sarah Rathke (00:59:12):
I just love that so much.
Rachel Casey (00:59:13):
Super fun.
Rachel Casey (00:59:15):
I like when I edit and I hear back something he said and I'm like, I did not catch that.
Rachel Casey (00:59:21):
I'm like,
Rachel Casey (00:59:22):
like when he asked about when I talked about millennial socks and he's like,
Rachel Casey (00:59:26):
do you want people to like card you?
Rachel Casey (00:59:28):
And I'm like, no, well, no.
Rachel Casey (00:59:30):
And I didn't even hear him say that.
Rachel Casey (00:59:32):
Just like, oh, he's funny.
Rachel Casey (00:59:35):
He's, he's quick.
Rachel Casey (00:59:36):
He's quick.
Rachel Casey (00:59:37):
It's adorable.
Rachel Casey (00:59:38):
And I will tell him thank you today because it was harder setting up without him.
Rachel Casey (00:59:41):
So, um, I learned something today too.
Rachel Casey (00:59:44):
And appreciation.
Rachel Casey (00:59:45):
Yep.
Rachel Casey (00:59:46):
Those husbands would love to be appreciated.
Rachel Casey (00:59:48):
That's always true.
Rachel Casey (00:59:50):
I know.
Rachel Casey (00:59:50):
And I, I should do it more, but there is, you know, there's a lot.
Rachel Casey (00:59:55):
I'm kidding.
Rachel Casey (00:59:55):
Thank you guys again.
Rachel Casey (00:59:56):
Thank you guys for listening to Super Banter.
Rachel Casey (01:00:00):
And yeah, I'm curious.
Rachel Casey (01:00:02):
Sarah Jane, you have just been a pleasure.
Rachel Casey (01:00:04):
Thank you so much.
Rachel Casey (01:00:07):
Thank you, Rachel.
Sarah Rathke (01:00:08):
I don't know.
Rachel Casey (01:00:09):
I do the awkward.