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it's episode twenty one yes it is adam how we doing good man holiday weekend it feels like a monday even though it's a tuesday yeah i'm all thrown off i was off since basically a half day friday and i went to the lake with the family so i'm just getting back playing catch up and it felt like monday all day today then i realized oh crap i have a podcast to record today so we're we're a tuesday now so how was your weekend it was good i mean we went to the pool a lot i mean we my brother and his kids were in town so we we did a lot of family stuff and you know it was it was a good time we had a we had a relaxing weekend at the chasing the kids around the pool so it was fun but a lot of wrestling this this past weekend as well yep so we'll have to talk a little bit about that let's why don't we get it i gotta usual we've got a ton of stuff talk about so let's apparently we got more to talk about than i realized so we gotta get on with the show yeah let's let's do it the the good thing here is like i i think it's it's probably gonna pick up quite a bit as we get closer to the national everybody's gonna be figuring out the the best way to make the national fun so that means topps is gonna be pushing out a bunch of stuff there's gonna be a ton of wrestling between now and then summer slams that weekend so we're we're we're hot hot and heavy with wrestling here but let's let's start with saturday night's main event i i thought you know most of the matches were were pretty good except for the one that i thought was actually gonna be good actually ended up being the worst on the card oh what match was that the so i mean like i i just like my my question to you is like have these just become just like glorified house shows or glorified tv tapings they're not special anymore no they're not i i don't really i'll follow them a little bit this weekend i was obviously away with the family so i did not get to watch it live but i caught up in everything but these no titles change it's pretty you can guesstimate what's gonna happen you kinda have a good idea so i just don't really get into the saturday ones as much as i did at first but maybe they'll change in time i don't know that's just my thoughts on it i mean the main event was the street profits versus the the vision and like mean like there's there's just nothing about this that screams must ctv even though i think the street profits and the and the vision did put on a good match like it didn't matter like the the six woman tag match was fun great i mean like none of this really had any real stakes but we did find out i can't remember if it was because of this match or something that happened on raw but logan paul tore his triceps yes is there is there a more cursed like dan house is not involved in this part of our discussion but he might as well be because i feel like the vision is cursed braun bronson reed's hurt still hurt on his way back bron breaker was hurt seth rollins is hurt now logan paul will be out for a number of months with a torn tricep like is this for real like are are we for real here paul heyman's not safe man poor poor paul heyman paul heyman's gonna get hurt yeah so he got injured in the match they they show the highlight i guess was it dawkins or maybe dawkins was jumping off the rope or something he went to catch up and i guess it just they kinda i saw the video of it so yeah you're spot on it is cursed it's been cursed since seth faked the injury i guess you would say and then i think that's just you wanna get out of the vision you don't want anything to do with it but it's unfortunate logan paul is a great wrestler now you gotta pivot obviously the titles will just be carried now by theory and break her i'm assuming until reed gets back or whatever i don't know man it's just anything that they have planned for them has just had to pivot every time due to an injury so i just i mean like tag team division doesn't matter in wwe anyways so like it's not like horrible if they're off tv but anyways moving on to like monday night raw just very briefly i knew that they were gonna tell a good story with oba and brock like they like that was never in question it still doesn't change the fact that that in that entire setup was completely unnecessary brock should have stayed retired oba and paul in the ring was great brock's promo was great like everything about that was great but it shouldn't it it doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be happening yeah i it's unfortunate i think we talked about this before and we were whenever we did talk about you know brock quote unquote retiring at mania we thought that was the way to go out and obviously not so here we are but again are are we looking forward to this match absolutely yes it's gonna be an awesome match he's not you know he's gonna fight to kill what he say i was fighting before to to win now i'm fighting to kill you or something like that so so it's gonna be great i'm excited there's gonna be some really good matches here on the card this it's gonna be sunday during the day for us what time is it our time did you look in like pm or something like that so yeah i'll be doing the show here at the shop with parker sevres' first show here so i'll be sitting up but i'll have it on the tv so we'll definitely be watching the first half here then we'll watch when we get home but i'm looking forward to it man i think there's a lot to to take away from this and get excited to get into talking about clash in italy versus talking about saturday night main event let's get on yeah and i think like the clash like this pay per view is shaping up to be pretty stacked and like like they they do these international pay per views the crowds are always hot like it's always fun to watch they put on great wrestling i'm excited for this show i i like i think the the two matches that they're putting on espn ahead of the the main card are gunther and cody and then rhea and jade cargill are gonna be on espn proper so rhea is gonna get a very big spotlight being on espn so that means that roman and fatu jacob fatu are are gonna be main eventing the pay per view with tribal combat as they should that's gonna be an insane match so i guess like becky and soul becky lynch soruka as well hopefully they get the match they didn't get to have on main event because i think like that was a non title match we understood it was gonna be some fucked up finish it ended up being even more fucked up than i expected and they didn't get any time to tell the story hopefully soluka gets a chance to shine here becky gets good matches out of everybody so i think this is gonna be a great match i think ria and jade will be a nice sort of like run back ria's clearly gonna win curious how they they pull that off but i think the the two matches that everybody is curious about is obafemi and brock lesnar if brock lesnar wins how does he win and how do they tell the story where they could potentially do the the trilogy match at summerslam and then for roman and jacob fatou like what is like what are what story are they gonna tell if if fatu loses which i think predictably is is likely the outcome where you know unless roman is planning to just leave for a good amount of time and doesn't wanna carry the title through the summer i think that's a mistake but you know fatu is gonna do something crazy i hope there's a big run-in or something happens where they have something set up for him next to continue this epic run that he's on but curious to get your thoughts yeah i'm kinda with you i feel like we've gotta see roman leave with this i just as much steam as fattu has right now and i love what they're doing with them i just don't know i don't think roman's gonna be short lived with his title run here i think this one's gonna go for a little while i'm curious more on the gunther or cody match because i think there's a very good chance that gunther walks out the champion and cody is not the champion anymore i think that originally the plan i get i'm gonna guesstimate here that we were supposed to have a heel carrying this belt and that heel at the time was randy orton now we have a heel and gunther in the whims to carry it who is also i don't know we all thought it was gonna be he was gonna get this match against brock lesnar at summerslam that was the favor this is a pivot this way i'm really curious where that match goes also obviously let's talk about becky and soul can can we establish something real quick did soul botch another soul statcher or did she just try think so yeah think did supposed to hit it clean and she just slipped on the rope again like flawless in nxt and then has two memorable botches right now i know her move is you know the the wrestler has to glean into you to her whenever she jives to do the soul snatcher but let's hope there's no botches i obviously wouldn't see soul win this i know you probably are indifferent it's your girl becky but i mean does that title really matter much i mean she's carried it twice now right i mean do you what are your thoughts on this i think three times is it three times two or three times yeah either way i think it's really important for soul to eventually hold that title and i think becky probably needs to move on to challenging upwards on the card yep i think they are hurting for somebody to face liv morgan and clearly they were gonna do bailey and then i don't what is going on with liv morgan i i don't either way i think from a hobby perspective that is probably the match other than oba and brock that has the most implications so right now the the favorite for oba and brock is brock the favorite there it's a toss-up the betting favorite is is brock lesnar by like a a a small margin the betting favorite for cody and gunther is a toss-up and then for for becky and sol i think becky is favored but not by much so i mean like there there is a lot of like like ria is like hugely favored roman's hugely favored so like i think those are the three matches with kind of a questionable outcome but i think like eventually soul has should win this feud like i hope that maybe they they do a a crazy finish for and becky win doesn't win clean and then they they give her the belt at summerslam give soul a little bit more time to like build up her her getting over with the fans but i i mean to me it doesn't really matter like becky is pretty much the women's champion right now because liv isn't really doing anything no so i don't know maybe they they decide that's the direction that they need to go if liv's hurt or something i don't know man yeah i feel like soul's got the most to gain or lose from this match for her card body to be honest with you her cards are already up there and it's gonna be one of those things they're putting a rocket on her saying hey you're gonna be this girl obviously we're not gonna let you win the the world champion the women's championship but here is a step in that direction like they did with trick williams had him come up you know he and lee same thing exactly so i think they're gonna say we're gonna put this on you and we'll see how you do with it to see where we go from next it still has all this talent i think out of all these matches i i think oba loses this match because we get the trilogy at summerslam i feel like the direction's going and i'm okay with it because i don't know if i don't think it'll be a squash match i think it's just gonna be a fart haunt good match and then oba comes out as the loser but will end up winning at summerslam is what i take so i don't think it's gonna really i don't think it's gonna hurt oba's cards i think i mean come on brock lesnar how many people could say they dominated brock lesnar in their career well i think that was the promo yeah that was oldberg oldberg was once and that was like everybody was in shock and and then we saw the the next match and how that really came to so i'm excited again overall just talking about these this does not feel like this feels like kind of like a a a close to a summerslam type card with everything going on here some really good matches the right names and they're obviously liv morgan mia right now don't know what's going on there but no i'm thoroughly excited to watch this on sunday it's gonna be a great time yeah so let's one last thing i wanna talk about is dan hausen and the knicks so the knicks so the knicks are are going to the nba finals dan hausen has uncursed the knicks they are eleven and o since that has happened like he's like he's a big knicks fan they've they've made a big deal of it like i i i'm curious like is at this moment is he the most visible wwe star that exists i mean right now if you think about it he's all over everything tv's getting interviews on espn shows everything i mean he new york i mean how much bigger do you get in the city of the you know i think it's amazing i love it i love exactly what they're doing i mean they're wwe is cashing in on all this danhausen right now like crazy they're living for this right now this is great i i was not a fan of his coming into this he's hilarious over time like he's he's really he's shown like okay i he's he's definitely playing into something that wwe was missing so i i will give him credit on that for winning me over the question is does he get an nba card before he gets a wrestling card in in tops i would hope we'd get a wrestling card before i mean with he's been up since how many months now it was this year was it right was it rumble where'd he come in sir no it was elimination shade elimination shade that was it sorry yeah i i feel like we're gotta get wwe cards here it all depends because i know he owns licensing and rights to all his stuff so i guess it would maybe an agreement thing i guess but i wouldn't put it past topps to make him a basketball card celebrity type card because they did it with footballers we're top snailers so yeah yeah yeah they gotta do something you gotta do something with him i'm sure something topps now is coming along we need like a jalen brunson danhausen dual autograph that that'd be awesome that'd be so cool so yeah i i think finest is likely the first time that we might get something danhausen i think they got kendall gray into finest last year she was kinda like the new fresh thing danhausen is gonna be one of the most chased cards in finest if they created i don't think they'll get autographs but maybe they'll get like a base card or something might because he did autographs in aew with upper deck so i feel like it would just be a matter of well no i think autographs they'll save for chrome next year so like they may okay purposefully hold back like they did with aj lee and blake monroe and so on and so forth first chrome auto yeah something like that alright let's get into some card market high spots i've got a game to play after this and i it's gonna be super fun so the checklist for cosmic chrome is live we saw full rundown of everything that they are including including some of the things around like what to expect in a case and i would say reactions have been mixed and i think overall like the checklist itself is fine but the case breakdown configuration is probably what's driving a lot of the mixed reaction like are you excite like i'm curious like you have a lot more experience with cosmic and basketball and football and baseball and everything like is this a product i i've i've think in in previous episodes you've sort of alluded to yeah i mean it's something i i'm gonna take a look at but not horribly dive into headfirst i think i'm feeling the same way curious if things have changed now that you've seen the checklist yeah so for koznick you know all the years between baseball obviously now football and basketball i may have ripped five boxes in my time i'm not gonna give the guy i haven't ripped a lot however this is wwe and i will rip minimum three cases just knowing me i'm gonna have to do one with the family you know it's just what we do we rip every product basically that comes out yes we've ripped universe we've ripped exalted we've ripped yeah we we do it all so i'll rip one with the family that means i'm good for probably one to myself maybe a second over time but i am concerned and this we talked about this before because wrestling people wanna get an autograph per box and this is what really was one of the reasons why cactus jack fell flat on his face was you didn't deliver you gave four autos a case and obviously oh yeah you rinse and repeat and all you did was take the wrestlemania logo off and i'm concerned with this because wrestling collectors want autographs they wanna get an autograph they wanna pull one so this means cases are gonna get ripped and we're gonna see two to three autos a case i mean that's how's that gonna work for breakers i mean they're all based on case it's a low numbering i will probably not go heavy with this as far as a breaking joining breaks on this one i'll probably stick to my usual suspects you know layton bless mama couple of the people that i hate i support them they're friends i love what they do that's probably all i'm gonna do i'm not gonna be going on and joining every break under the sun it's just not for me do i think these cards look great from what i've seen on the checklist absolutely however i am concerned with how it holds its value product box wise because it's not gonna be able to deliver enough to a consumer by ripping a personal box what are your thoughts so like a case in from what we've come to understand a case is gonna include three of the planetary pursuits which are mostly the the cards that everybody chases so you have the sun all the way through to pluto pluto being the rarest i think there's probably only gonna be like five to ten of those the sun is is the most common there'll be probably a hundred of those whatever and like each planet has the same checklist it has like roman reigns and becky lynch and so on and so forth rhea ripley is not on that checklist but centimeters punk aj lee like there's a couple of legends undertaker i think is on there but those are gonna be the main chase you're only getting two to three autos per case so that's where cactus jack fell as you said fell very short but i'm i don't know like it's hard for me to really grasp like i want the the planetary pursuits i know the importance of those cards but i'm curious if it if it works out like the galactics were in revolution where nba those cards are huge in wwe they they really weren't and like people bought revolution for the kabooms because they added those in rightfully so but like in previous years like those galactic case hits were huge in other in other sports same thing with like this feels like it's it's gonna be a chrome set so there'll be like rainbows to chase and stuff i'm not feeling like sorta like the the old eighties alien arcade design that they have for the base cards like if you've ever been to minnesota there's a restaurant here called space alien and they serve pizza and ribs and barbecue and stuff like that their floor looks exactly like the background of these cards and it's it's it's hard for me to like disassociate that because it feels like i'm walking into laser tag in the nineteen nineties you know whatever and you know maybe that's what they're going for and the cards like the the inserts look really really cool i'm curious what the star fractures look like those are other those are other aspects of this that i think are probably gonna be a chase those those one per case star factors and then you you're also getting another case hit so you know it's it is what it is at this point i think it's it's gonna be another product that probably feels a little bit less than when it comes to chrome or royalty or some of the other more recent stuff but i don't think it's i think people will will buy it just because it's a a new wrestling product and there's still a ton of demand out there yeah let me get your perspective on that okay so first off this is an eight box case so obviously two three autos you know okay out of twelve be a little brutal that's what cactus shack was was it was basically every three boxes you got in auto this one two and a half i guess is what we're looking at give or take i want your thoughts right now these are trending at like three thirty a box i'm i'm a use blah for reference here would you rather rip this at three thirty or would you rather rip tops chrome hobby at about three hundred dollars a box for two autos i mean personally i've ripped an absolute ton of chrome so i'm probably leaning more towards this just because i don't have any of the cards but if if i if if we if i had if i was starting from scratch i would obviously choose hobby chrome it's not even a competition but like i now because i've ripped so much of the other stuff like of course i'm gonna choose this because it's like i i already have everything i need from chrome right yeah i mean i guess i'm sorry not i was just saying from a i don't from you collecting becky i'm saying as a consumer just ripping a box of there both are probably for the same that's that's my point is because you're gonna get two autos in that and again they may not be the best two autos and this autograph checklist obviously is there's not gonna be as much of the fluff as there will be in like chrome hobby rightfully so but that's my point is i don't know if these can sustain being over three hundred dollars a box when you're only guaranteed an autograph every two two and a half boxes again you know you're ripping this for other reasons like you alluded to and said that i'm just looking for a as a consumer as having a card shop putting my card shop owner hat on here and knowing a customer would rather rip a box getting two autos for the same if not less money than rip one box not guaranteed auto yeah that just doesn't compute and i i think that's where the disconnect really exists in this hobby is like okay is there enough here so if you're not gonna so like if there's eight boxes of case and let's say the six boxes have either a planet or an auto mhmm like and then the the seventh box has the star fracture and the eighth box has the case hit like so maybe there's something per box that drives it but i don't i i don't think these case hits are gonna be as desirable as the ones like like if i pull a helix out of tops chrome hobby that's a couple hundred dollars right mhmm if i pull a garbage pail kit it's a couple hundred dollars if i pull you know one of the other case hits maybe less so but i think for this it's probably gonna be under a hundred bucks for most of the case hits if i have to guess the star fracture is probably gonna be a couple hundred bucks and the planets depend on which planet you pull and which wrestler so i don't know like there there could be a reason why maybe this is two hundred two fifty but anything over three hundred at this point without a guaranteed auto in wrestling is burning sending sending your money out to the furnace didn't i see that the srp is supposed to be like two thirty a box on this something like that i think it was two twenty nine ninety nine from the link you sent me earlier so put that perspective as like i mean i think that's the price it needs to be however universe is trending at about that and yeah you get all the hits but these cars are gonna be bringing a higher dollar for like the inserts and numbers so i don't i i don't think we need to spend too much more of obviously we got this coming out next week but back to your point is i looked so what else is coming out next wednesday or next week star wars mask work i'm more excited to rid that than i am this and my family so looks like we're doing two case breaks next week yeah yeah mask work is gonna be insane oh i love mask work it's i mean but that's what i'm saying is like you're you're competing for interest still with royalty because we still haven't seen john cena we still haven't seen rhea ripley we still haven't seen gunther centimeters punk or any of those big wrestlemania patches so people are still chasing those actively especially because of the value of those cards then you're throwing this on top of it i don't think this will get buried because it it has enough popularity in the no it won't but but it's it's not gonna have the impact that like chrome did when it dropped or even universe because it was the first product in a while so we'll have to see alright let's let's play a game here okay i'm gonna ask you a very simple question give or take and some of them have some complex answers and i wanna get your take on on these questions and then we'll we'll go through these rapid fire we'll get into some sales and then we'll close out with our takeover update and and our title match topic but i've got a a a couple of questions here that i think are on a lot of people's mind given the curts current state of things so let's start with in the last five years we have had three sales above a hundred k for wrestling cards that includes the rock and two hulk hogans by the end of twenty twenty eight from today will there be more or less than three sales above a hundred k more more what and what what brings what what drives that number for you well obviously the scene would be one i really question if ria could get there too get over a hundred i mean there could be a second one obviously we know topps is gonna be doing the summerslam patches the wrestlemania still what's the vikir debut patch worth you know yeah i mean these are things that they're gonna be being creative and thinking outside the box i think we're gonna see that i mean that's two years from now you know we have two years and the hobby where it's going now we keep seeing record breaking numbers across the board on so many aspects of this industry not just obviously wrestling cards we just saw the victor wimmin yamaha black rookie privately sell for five point one million dollars yes i don't see there's no way if wrestling cards continue to pick up the steam the eyes on them more athletes are diving into then collect wrestling like her anthony towns has gone public with and other people i just don't see how it cannot just stay that number it has to go up yeah i i'm a i'm a i'm on the plus side as well on this i would say there's gonna be at least one more hulk hogan that probably sells generally around that area sena's gonna sell in that area and then we have two more years for tops to ramp stuff up yes and i would say like i i was talking dynasty dynasty dynasty that was yeah so we'll get there too so like i would say by the end of twenty twenty eight i would say we're probably closer to five than three but we'll we'll have to see how this all plays out the market could completely tank i don't think we're ever gonna get back to where it was but i you know there's reasons why it may not get there but i i think we're we're above that alright next question in twenty twenty five we had six total sets in the card year in twenty twenty six we're likely gonna have around eight in twenty twenty seven will there be lamar or less than eight sets released in the card year i gotta think there's gonna be more it may not be a lot more but i feel like the relationship with topps and wdb and fanatics continues to get stronger and better they've got obviously gonna build more i i would guesstimate i mean building more is better right wouldn't you think i would guess that i'm i'm thinking either on eight or slightly above because i think they're gonna expand into some lower end stuff if i had to guess like they they need to make more accessible sets i hope that those sets above the eight that we have because we have like universe exalted chrome finest dynasty royalty and probably a couple of others like i think that there's gonna be something that they add to this that's probably on the higher end and there's gonna be something that they add to this that's probably more accessible lower end stuff so i would hope that over the next you know year and a half to get into the twenty twenty seven card year that they they bring a little bit more the real question we should ask on this one is will they spread them out better to control them better throughout a year versus just like boom here they all are you know and i think that's i would i would really hope so i mean again would really hope so mania you obviously gotta capture rubble to mania a hundred percent on board with that but we've gotta have these spread out to last the entire year the wrestling card money can only go so far with joining breaks ripping and everything like that i think you gotta spread this out and again i'm sure they you know they were hands tied last year better this year but also get them out the door i think they they'll probably have a i would assume a better calendar planned out next year for wrestling i guess i would agree i would agree alright next question will twenty twenty five topps royalty be the most important set not most valuable most important set released during topps' entire tenure for the foreseeable future no i gotta think something else i don't know like that's you're saying their entire tenure obviously royalty is important but i've gotta think in my head there's gotta be there could be something so i would say no i think there'll have to be something in the tenure of of them having this that would be my guesstimate okay i i don't know if this is as simple an answer as you just made it it's not so the the reason being is because i think that these wrestlemania patch autographs from royalty are gonna are are at the peak for the hype right mhmm i i i don't know what else can eclipse this given the state of our current market given the state of the hobby given the state of everything that's surrounding wrestling cards i i don't know if there's gonna be another peak this high let me ask and the reas go ahead go ahead i got i got a i got a thing i'm asking but go ahead i want you to finish i i have to say no but because i i wrote these questions so it's a little unfair i had a little bit of prep time but i mean like i'm trying to think like is there something that they can do that's beyond this that's bigger than this is that a transcendent is that is dynasty going to be that much bigger like what are some of the things that they could do that would eclipse the peak that we're at right now given that there's so much going on like that's my that's really the the basis of this question i'm thinking outside the box here and light bulb clicked off what if tops fanatics eventually buys panini or product licensing brands okay and we get flawless back boom then you get flawless with match used you get everything that panini couldn't do that tops can we get probably roman reigns flawless again you're telling me foreseeable future i gotta think years down the road there is a scenario we gotta remember fanatics signed that deal with the stickers for thirty twenty thirty one but that's panini panini is known for the stickers when that's said and done what and they don't have licensing like do you just sell out i mean do you sell out before then knowing what's coming for the future those are things to consider because if they get panini then they can they own panini and then they got the fanatics deal that can go wherever because obviously it's not it's fanatics owning all these deals and then selling it to tops then you get flawless what that's huge yeah again not saying it's happening i'm just thinking outside the box here so i get your point of royalty absolutely spot on with the wrestlemania patches but what if they pivot and say oh they're in flawless now or we're doing this in flawless i'm just thinking that way because we all talk about man sucks we only got one year of flaws wish we could have again what do you think the hype would be around it then obviously you wouldn't be able to rip flaws like you did when it came out price wise but again put something in perspective think about that that's that's a really interesting take and i think that when people saw the world cup sort of licenses the fifa licenses going into effect on twenty thirty one i think everybody was like there's no way that they just don't buy out the competition i will give you this food for thought historically i don't think that's the approach fanatics usually takes with competition i think they they don't wait until things they they sort of wanna create their own more than they want to like go and buy up the competition and take their ip and and i don't i i don't have enough experience with the way michael rubin runs the business to understand if that's a play nor with the non compete or the the antitrust lawsuit may prevent that from happening as well so because panini is actively in a lawsuit with tops over antitrust practices there may be government in involvement saying that they can't buy panini so yep who knows i mean i foreseeable future i i put this out very broadly because i think it's it's just an interesting topic to noodle on but like it's just like there's so many options here i'm just trying to think like we i feel like we are hitting that that peak i mean with with the you mentioned the wenminayama sale there were two other sales in the fanatics premier auction that were just like woah like that's a lot so i mean like you know are we at the peak or not is really the question and and one last thing to talk about with ruben a very very intelligent businessman yes don't forget topps was about to go public trading and days before back yeah fanatics signed the twenty five year whatever deal with the mlb and that changed everything so then topps couldn't go public and then obviously fanatics buys topps so just keep in mind he is a very smart businessman and any way he could pivot angle to get something at a much cheaper price he go and do it i mean let's just be honest yeah so like topps the purchase of topps seemingly was to allow fanatics to get access to distribution access to the cards people that they needed to design the sets like i think like i don't know like that's just a really that's that's a whole take that we can unpack maybe in a later episode because it's just an interesting conversation but it just seems to me like fanatics isn't aiming to just buy out the panini ip like it it doesn't i don't know what spending that money would give them more than they're already gaining on their own is kinda what i was trying to get oh good they're already on a growth trajectory i think in this hobby that they probably feel pretty good about and spending fifty to a hundred million dollars to get the panini ip in the middle of an oven of a lawsuit very interesting sort of discussion to have foreseeable future simple questions complex answers i'm giving you my complex answers to this is why i asked the question i didn't even know any of this is on here i love when he does these because he you were if for those listening purpose he does a person but as he's telling me this he's got this shit eating grin on his face he's like you have no idea what's coming do you yeah it's like an arcade out of nowhere alright here is another fun question to noodle on will the most expensive card in the entire twenty twenty six card year so that's topps chrome twenty twenty six through royalty twenty twenty six will the most expensive card come from topps royalty and we're talking about wrestling cards one hundred percent will one hundred percent so you think twenty twenty six dynasty which is coming at some point in this year the the the most expensive card is gonna come from royalty you believe so i gotta think that's cena if that's cena surfaces i gotta think what could rival that card for what that card stands for that's twenty twenty five though cena won't have a wrestlemania okay sorry cena won't have a wrestlemania patch in twenty twenty i misunderstand i have yeah you're good you gotta remember they're making twenty five releases in twenty six yeah i know i know elsewhere edit edit as tyson would say the mustangs card the tire twenty six okay come from tosh royalty now you're making me think here so we're talking about twenty twenty six card year i gotta still stand by my answer it's gotta be i think it's if you're talking releasing this year right mhmm the john cena if it surfaces second could be the ria we don't have a roman again there's there's twenty twenty five card year people so it we're we're talking about not calendar year just the the card year so like think about this i'll give my answer first yeah so like twenty twenty six chrome is the kickoff to the twenty twenty six card year okay and so royalty is gonna probably be edit no i'm joking yeah twenty twenty six is going to have wrestlemania patches we've already seen those we're gonna have a centimeters punk from that main event roman i don't think wore a patch so there's not gonna be a roman reigns wrestlemania patch if i had to guess based on what i saw him wearing in the ring there will be a rhea ripley who won a title at wrestlemania there's gonna be becky lynch who won the title at wrestlemania there's gonna be all of those awesome obafemi ones is the obafemi wrestlemania patch autograph from wrestlemania forty two gonna be one of the most valuable cards in twenty twenty six i think your answer is correct so i think you you didn't even though the the means to get to the answer maybe didn't align but i think the the overwhelming favorite to land the most expensive card is still tops royalty even though we really haven't seen what's coming in dynasty yeah i i that's the thing we don't know what's coming in dynasty we don't and i don't think they're gonna do any type of debut patches or mania or or is summerslam i mean but that's coming up before i mean that summerslam dynasty is supposed to release before summerslam correct so i still yes even though i was going elsewhere with my answer it was still going to the same place i just don't see it i don't think that dynasty being what it is you would have to have some type of patch that would drive it up and i just don't see it happening what if the summerslam so summerslam was cena at at wrestlemania yeah but it it had cena and it was that cena lost cena lost to cody rhodes mhmm and it it was an amazing match maybe one of the best john cena matches ever and i'm literally driving home for the national in my vehicle and sermannik put his phone on the dashboard so we could watch that match and oh my god as i'm trying to not kill us driving watching i i still i just summerslam just isn't wrestlemania it's not k and i alright i'll stand by my answer even though i misunderstood it i still think it's gonna sell higher of the twenty six year i i just gotta think of royalty cards i think that obafemi card could could set some very interesting reps we get logan paul has cards by then and logan paul's got patches that's a good take too yeah mhmm yeah look at me thinking outside you are you are breaking all the rules alright will here's the next question will wrestlemania forty three being in saudi arabia hurt the potential of wrestling cards leading up to it in twenty twenty seven so as we are understanding the fact that the playoff season for wrestling cards usually runs royal rumble to wrestlemania this year wrestlemania is not in the us so there's not gonna be like all of this similar sort of hype that there was around vegas again this year does that hurt the potential for the market in twenty twenty seven i mean i think it hurts in a way yes i mean it doesn't really matter where wrestlemania per se goes i don't like the fact that i have to watch wrestlemania at five noon or eleven or noon in the morning and all the weekend i can't you know i liked watching wrestlemania at night so again i think it hurts it a little bit because i don't think they can go out there is top's gonna go out there and make a logo fracture product you know i i i we are we not gonna get that i mean again there's a chance they could still pivot out of saudi however saudi's got show me the money you know they got all this money that they could do whatever they want so again i think it hurts it a little bit because but again keep in mind it's a worldwide phenomenon everybody watches it i just don't know if the market over there is big into cards we don't really know i i think i think it's gonna hurt a little bit i think people will once they start the the whole campaign around wrestlemania like this year it was all around like come to vegas do it again back on the back in the saddle you know all that other stuff got got me out there you got you out there people go to this event like collectors go to this event you met up with what like ten twenty different people there so awesome man it was just yeah it was just so fun did it whole thing so like if that's in saudi arabia and you remove all that plus you remove all of the interest from the people who were planning on going now they're not going anymore they're staying at home does that hurt the card mark i i think it does like i think there's not gonna be as much excitement around this wrestlemania and i'm curious like are they gonna try and replicate that in a show outside of wrestlemania did they bring that to are they gonna put more focus on summerslam are they gonna put more focus on money in the which we still haven't seen for twenty twenty six like where is money in the bank like all of these other things are all big question marks that i think could potentially hurt the market yeah i haven't talked to one person that says i'll be at saudi next year for us mean everybody i talked to is like not a chance in hell i'm going so i think it yes and it hurts but again they're getting paid a lot of money i think they're still seeing the dollars anyway but it sucks for the i guess it sucks for the fan base that you know and i'm not saying like america has to always have it but i think it's not ideal country for people to feel comfortable to go to let's just put it at that i agree a hundred percent alright twenty twenty four was the year of tiffany stratton twenty twenty five was the year of stephanie vicair twenty twenty six the year of obafemi who's twenty twenty seven oh that's good man you really you got me good with this one i'm a let you go first because you put me on the spot here yeah yeah so there's a couple of names that are float floating around one of them is kendall gray i don't know if she's gonna be up in time for it to really make the kind of difference that obafemi or stephanie vacair did in twenty twenty six there's another name in terms of like somebody that's already on the roster potentially a blake monroe or something like that could could from a female perspective drives a lot of the market she hasn't gotten the rocket treatment that everybody else has gotten you also have existing people like liv morgan like a roman reigns do we finally get the the year of roman reigns now that he is a title holder he's coming into a wrestlemania potentially with the with the title does that elevate his status is it somebody who is potentially gonna retire is it somebody like that i i think this and the reason i put this on here is not to come up with a name but to just show how wide open twenty twenty seven is going to be like we don't have that established rookie class yet we don't have a lot of familiarity with what's happening although we mentioned him earlier on in this podcast could twenty twenty seven be the year of dan housen oh neil would be loving life if that was the case okay i'm gonna give mine and this is gonna be oh screw you ryan we knew there was gonna be an answer i'm gonna give it the year randy orton here's why twenty twenty seven will be twenty five years of randy orton within the wwe twenty five year anniversary i don't think it's his last year but it's twenty five years wrestling and and he never once left for hollywood he did some small time movies so i'm gonna give obviously the fan answer here because this is a tough answer to come around the name that i wanted to give who's already crazy over but i think he will be potentially fighting for a world championship in twenty seven is trick williams i think yeah all that hype and everything dude i i'm whenever we gave the ratings i am eating my words every time i watch trick williams when my kids are just screaming whoop that trick out of nowhere i mean the guy is so awesome he's got it all so from a young guy perspective i i'm gonna go with trick williams on that front for being the young up and comer to get his year twenty seven also i'm gonna give the old guy my guy randy orton because it's twenty five years because topps is probably gonna make some products around this too think you're gonna see a lot of discussion next year of this is orton's twenty fifth year talked about in wwe that's a good call i like that alright going back to something that's hits a little close to home for you will wrestler or celebrity involvement have any real lasting impact on the wrestling card market beyond just what we've already seen from karl anthony towns was in a break with rip hamilton rips earlier this week pulled some crazy cards lot of things to discuss there i don't even wanna cover but like will the celebrity sort of involvement continue and will it have a lasting impact absolutely i mean it's like it's like wildfire whenever you know you see more athletes and more celebrities continue to come forward because wrestling cards or sorry not wrestling card cards sports cards or cards in general are cool now and i think the more people that are famous ask who see somebody like your car anthony towns hey i like wrestling cards i'm in wrestling cards it's gonna drive more people too because a lot of are like wait they make wrestling cards i think you're gonna see that plus you gotta remember athletes celebrities have a lot more of this than normal people and people who even are making money in this industry i think their their walls can go a lot deeper than just people who are within the hobby i i think i agree i think no singular celebrity is gonna have lasting impact but i think as a whole the the overall sort of influence of more and more famous people coming to our midst like we already know logan paul is a huge collector he posted that video of him and john cena signing the card and stuff like that i love seeing the redaction on that too yeah he's like you're just gonna sell this on me he's like no i'm really not that's yeah you get to see like in his i get to that real quick you could see logan paul is just showing like a genuine loves cards loves the hobby in that video you may not like logan paul but respect him for who he is as a wrestler and but you could see why we love this industry why we love this hobby is because the excitement we feel that man felt it in that spot right there yeah for sure and so like you have people like johnny gargano you have people like tommaso ciampa yep who who are big collectors they go to card shops they grade cards you have matt cardona who collects literally everything associated with wrestling figures all the stuff of his wife chelsea green does comic books dan hausen yeah all that stuff punk i think does too yeah yeah so like yeah there was a video of dan hausen and centimeters punk like going to a comic book convention if you haven't seen it go look up that it is hilarious absolutely hilarious but i think like the the understanding that like bringing more of the athletes that's what fanatics really has yes augmented within this hobby is just connecting the players more you have bobby wood junior mike trout like they're all connect collecting their own cards aaron judge aaron judge paul schemes and olivia john all these people yeah miserowski specifically like he does a lot with pokemon too the shop and he i told you he came to the shop right no they were they were in town two or three weeks ago and he came in with jared koning and i think it was david hamilton they were for an hour and a half they were awesome by the way oh my god that's fun yeah sorry i forgot to you this so they they came in here hung out i gave him a whole tour talked to him the whole time miserowski is like i'm six three dude i feel like he's like six five oh my gosh no he's bigger than that dude it's unreal he's so tall but loves cards he's into pokemon but he does love baseball as well he rips a lot he loves sapphire he was telling me how much he looks forward to sapphire chrome every year said he got hooked on it last year so really cool to just get those opportunities when they when they come to you never thought in a million years back when owning a car shop any athlete would ever walk in and now we've had countless amount of them and it's great whenever teams are here for a series and they go the extra forty minutes from downtown to come check out our shop yeah that's really cool and i and i think like that's gonna continue fanatics with hobby rib night they're bringing athletes to the shops to engage with fans but also get exposed to like what the hobby is all about yep so like yeah for every drake that comes and rips a bunch of flawless with ken golden like and then leaves a couple of weeks later like i think that that's really what where i say like no individual celebrity is probably gonna have that lasting impact but as a whole bringing that attention and influence is is really gonna be key alright are the garbage pail inserts the garbage pail kids are those the most chase worthy cards in twenty twenty six top scroll no i think from ripping from one getting them i feel like the feel the pops are the in my opinion the hardest ones to hit and some of the best looking ones i love the garbage fill don't get me wrong but from that standpoint is the reason why i say this is i'm seeing so many of those garbage fill kits coming out of blasters it's unreal seeing number everything whereas like feel the pops are like extremely hard i know the let's go are super hard helix's are hard i from ripping as much chrome as i've had and doing brakes i've pulled at least four to five x garbage pail for every other type of case that i've hit i know you're big on it but again i'm just looking at it from that perspective so complex answer this is my way of looking at it from knowing firsthand how easy was to pull a garbage pile versus pulling the other ones i i i agree i think those feel the pop cards are absolutely impossible to hit i've only seen a handful of them same with i think the let's go is a little bit easier but like those feel the pop cards are horribly undervalued for what they represent but i will say that as we get into the rare parallels for the garbage pail kids like those continue to be really hard to pull mhmm as hard as the feel the pop cards i think that looking back at twenty twenty six tops chrome like it's i think those garbage pail kids probably are gonna stand the test of time a little bit better depending on the longevity of that insert set but i think behind that mhmm yeah i think i still think like everybody's chasing the inscription autographs but those are they're such a small population of those cards i didn't really wanna include them in the same bucket but like i think those garbage pail kids are are gonna stand the test of time especially the high graded ones i did see that there was a rock psa ten that was listed and wow it's a twenty one hundred dollars for a base psa ten just insane those are so hard to grade they are not clean i think you're gonna see a lot of seven and eights get graded by these to be honest with you so alright this is i think we have two more and i i've done this is just fun like i just like posing random questions so with the results of the recent fanatics premier auction is topps chrome wwe the most important set of any card year let alone this one damn give ryan a little bit time to think about this recently a lebron james super fracture autograph from the most recent nba release sold for like one point five million dollars or something like that yes josh allen's gold shield autograph redemption which is the the equivalent of like the the top debut patch chase in the set sold for one point three five million dollars both of those cards are from topps chrome football and basketball so does that sort of trickle down into wwe where this all of a sudden becomes with the debut patches with everything does that become the most important set of the year i think from a consumer affordability standpoint yes because tops chrome can be sold in hobby delight blaster mega royalty can only be sold in one shape or form and most people can't rip that so i feel like yes there's more tops chrome out there but i think the name tops chrome and royalty is still young in the in the card world not just in you know in wwe obviously it's his first year but the name tops chrome has been around since two thousand and two what are we so ninety six is when tops chrome started with basketball football baseball night it was vince carter's rookie year is that vince carter no ninety six was kobe ninety eight ninety nine was vince carter it was ninety five tops no ninety six have been the first year tops come so i mean it's got thirty years is my point being is and we're seeing that that lebron auto is i can't stand it now i i mean from a guy who's collect lebron's the autograph he signs now looks like a crown i was blown away by that sale and the josh allen sale too that that was like woah but we're still going back to wwe where it's apples and oranges here in comparison sure what could be the biggest card in tops chrome outside the vakir debut which we feel would do garnish the most money does the roman reigns super fractor auto if it has inscriptions because we have seen roman reigns with inscription auto stephanie mama breaks pulled one so if that card services is that the biggest card in the set or the second biggest i mean there's a lot of things the helix super fractures we saw the joe henry was up for a crazy number there's a lot of things that could drive it up and sales up rightfully so i mean let's be honest i had to pay at the time a record setting number for the randy orton inscription auto which was way more than ever paid for any randy orton until the royalty patch auto that came about so it's a very tough answer but it's a complex answer there we go that's what the whole point of it i don't really have much to add i think chrome is by this point topps' flagship it is sort of hype train set i it's like it's they've like we we came into this license like how are they gonna equal prism like how are they gonna come back and and really bring what prism brought i don't think they've they've they've understood like quite the value of some of the rare prism parallels i think a prism black is still gonna outsell a topps chrome super fracture in wwe sense maybe not an nba or nfl because those are different beasts but like i i i think it's a lot closer than i expected right so yep i think i think that it it is the most important set just because the widespread appeal because the marketing because of everything so everything you said i think was was spot on alright last question does the randy orton sale of that wrestlemania patch set a bar for the other wrestlemania patch autographs that haven't sold that is sustainable you gotta remember yes the guy who bought the randy orton is which happens i know that's why i'm asking you i feel like certain wrestlers yes i feel like some of the names i feel like talking with people from when that sale happened that they thought oh i was gonna probably get this wrestler for x and now i feel like i have to pay this to get it i think it does drive up i think any of these that sold prior to this sale we talked about on here were grossly undervalued in my opinion and went under what they could have went for we already know the jade cargill that was a steal and whoever got it congratulations we already know somebody that was one to easily pay double to get that card and that owner doesn't wanna sell so i gotta think that the randy orton has set some type of bar or perception again you gotta remember it's it was me against carlethy towns it turns out there was all the bidding was legit though on that so there were other people in on this it was a matter of what that number was gonna go to thing and i say this crazy as this i'm very grateful it went for what it went for but i gotta think at this point ria's gonna go higher you've got obviously we know the senior gunther would go he's getting more and more eyes on him if he gets the belt from cody definitely helps his card market i mean there's there's still a lot of big names out there we know that cody's not going to market anytime soon if ever you got centimeters punk should bring i think the the after this sold the bounty went up from baby face from twenty to thirty i believe yep so it it has driven up and has done something again people will say oh that's just a crazy idiot fan yeah i am but at the end of the day the story behind it meant more to me than that wasn't i wasn't too far below on becky like i i don't think i was too far below i don't think the centimeters punk i think thirty k might be too low now on centimeters punk like centimeters punk was was in a main event right he was in a main event he didn't win seth rollins won fanatics match threat match yeah yeah so like seth rollins has a patch it's a redemption but it's gonna it's gonna be there i've talked to the guy believe who owns it we talked a little bit about it he hit in a break and i don't think he has any desire to sell it so that one we won't see the market thank god i don't need to be buying another one i'm kinda glad it's not so yeah i i gotta think just really think about the names are out there we saw damian priestius got pulled yep i mean that'll be a record setting damian yeah lyra will do well i mean it's a lot of this is speculation on these wrestlers too some of these younger ones where you're like hey if i get in now but think about next year again trick williams is gonna have some next year we got obafemi gonna have we talked about already again i know we're talking about this year but i think long term you know this really set something in our industry and really put wrestling cards back out there to be discussed about at least for twenty four to forty eight hours and we didn't expect it to do what it did alright i agree so simple questions complex answers i it was fun i know the the purpose of this was to to get everybody sort of thinking about some of these things because these are gonna be questions that i think a lot of people are gonna be grappling with pun intended over the next few months and few next few years i think it's really important to think about wrestling cards in these types of context because we're growing at such a rapid rate but also because like there are collectors out there that are trying to make sense of this just like we are on this podcast ryan's doing it in real time as i'm feeding in these questions literally yeah mean but no like but that's that's why i wanted to do this off the cuff is because i think it forces people to think about things in a different way and you brought some takes that i wasn't expecting which i love so i think like we weren't too far apart in what we agreed or disagreed on but like the way that you thought about it was much different than i think a lot of what i was expecting which is the whole purpose of this but yeah let's let's put a pin in this for now we're gonna come back maybe do some more questions as as the year rolls on but i mean like this is one of the weeks where i think we're setting up for huge show season we're setting up for the middle of the year we're about to head into like some major developments with king of the ring was just announced they're gonna do that again so then we have like the saudi show we don't know what's happening with money in the bank like there's a whole bunch of stuff that's still a big question mark so this was just sort of a fun experience to sort of say okay where are our heads at on some of these really hot topics i wanna fly through some sales real fast a couple of them we're gonna skip a lot of them that i put on here just because we had so much fun with the with the questions so mainly this hulk hogan sold it's a flawless one of one wrestlemania autographs from wrestlemania one so this was i think the the one of the more important hulk hogan it's not wrestlemania three but it is wrestlemania one it's a near mint psa seven auto ten sold for eighteen thousand six hundred dollars via auction ridiculous number no none of these cards have come even close to this sale there's no inscription it's just a flat hulk hogan autograph it was removed from the encased sort of thing seeing eighteen thousand six hundred dollars what was your reaction here well it does have the mike baker sticker to it which the gold like can't god forbid yes god forbid you you gotta give that obviously i know you enjoy talking about all these hulk hogan sales because he's usually the subject sale of the week i gotta think from what we understand the topsystem superfractor auto went for was almost forty k is what i think it was yes privately sold at thirty eight k i think and i think that shocked a lot of people at this point if that didn't come to life i would be completely shocked on this but being as what it is we think we're only get well as of right now we're only getting one year of loss unless you think about my hot take or later this is wrestlemania one when these wrestlemania cards were made people were looking for certain years either to go hand in hand obviously wrestlemania one is very very very important and w f back then now wwe i i don't think it's as crazy now knowing what the top score went for and way people were thinking outside the box so at the end of the day yes two months ago i think this is crazy but i think we're still coming off the hype of the documentary from netflix which was very well done i loved it so i think we're still getting that hogan hype and obviously you know he is the immortal hulk hogan as much as adam doesn't wanna admit it or not he is legendary iconic and he is our childhood is more than you realize and you know that yeah i think there's a lot of people out there who are recognizing that a lot like i remember when these cards came out like people were criticizing oh you only pull like one to eight guys in these encase cards they're who cares a lot of them were selling very cheap now they're all selling for ridiculous amounts of money especially the rarer parallel ones the base ones are still lagging a little bit but like the the the greens and the reds and stuff like that really have been selling well eighteen thousand dollars is a huge i think the the most comparable sale here i think was like twelve k for a cody rhodes with an inscription so very interesting result but it's like it's setting a standard for both hogan on card autographs from these sets but also sort of like other things one other set to comment on one other sale to comment on this is the stephanie vicair twenty twenty five tops royalty autograph jumbo relic booklet it's sold for ten thousand dollars via via auction i believe we know who ended up with the card but this is this is one of the first five figure sales that is not a wrestlemania patch autograph from royalty the the relic on this is ridiculous it's her eye it has like a a full like sort of face from the t shirt that they cut up for this like i saw this number and i was like that is a lot higher than i expected it to go yeah i'm i'm not a big booklet guy and i think lot of people aren't i think vakira is on the the downtime right now i mean obviously she's gonna have a great career you would assume but i think this is a big number for vakira i know her cards have garnished and brought big money but there's no inscription on here it's a booklet yes you're you're buying it for the patch and then being the one zero one but i would guess before you show me this sale i would think that card be worth five to six grand but again i know her rare stuff's there's a market for it and but again you're buying it off the the belt run and and obviously she's off right now yeah i don't think she's on the street right no she's not so alright let's fast forward here we're running over takeover update we added a new sponsor we want to acknowledge our sponsors so again we 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card values overall absolutely i mean it's like when a player performs in sports if he's having a great year and the product on the field is great and he's doing great it's gonna affect his cards if he's batting a buck ten he's probably going to minors i mean you just you're just not on tv so i've gotta think this does affect their cards based on a good or bad bad tv product and right now raw is just dominating and smackdown i mean again some of the names out there are freaking amazing but the the product itself i don't know is it because it's not on netflix is it because it's not getting the right eyes i don't really know maybe it's because it's you know to me it's friday and here's the problem it's friday and it's summer yeah it's friday and it's summer it's a beautiful across the country almost it's about to be people are gonna be doing stuff with their families outside there's things to do on fridays versus wanting to watch wrestling i mean obviously you can catch up like for me it's like don't i don't actually ever get to watch smackdown friday because we have plans we do stuff but i do go in and follow the matches i watch highlights i watch matches online so i think that's the thing whereas like people with raw they want more likely watching it live so yes i gotta say that this has has to have an effect on these people's wrestling cards i watch monday night raw almost religiously it's just it's monday night there's nothing else going on to your point unless football season yeah unless it's football season i will say this smackdown has a bunch of interesting people doing really uninteresting things and like i think this feud with rhea ripley and jade cargill has fallen like like as much as mishin and b fab add something to jade cargill like they were in catering like a month ago do they i mean like mean something that they've added to jade cargill's aura that i think you know adds something but it's not interesting like the the whole thing with like their tag team division is complete and utter shit like you know randy's gone cody is kinda treading water until gunther i don't i mean like the gunther thing i love what gunther does in the ring but like he's not a great storyteller on promos and stuff like that a lot of the time like he stepped it up a little bit in the recent years but like a lot of these people that are on tv tiffany stratton has great matches but they put her up against lash legend like that's a clash of styles if i've ever heard and it's just like why are you having these interesting people doing such uninteresting things i think that's where a lot of this is drew mcintyre's gone he was very interesting like smackdown is facing very very low ratings people are still going to the shows like don't get me wrong but like i like three hours on a friday night is just abysmal in terms of planning and i think like they i'm glad they're cutting it back to two hours i think you you're forced to pack it in a little bit more but you know sami zayn just doesn't do it for me and he's been unfocused lately wanna see trick williams do a lot more but like they're even struggling to find a role for him that isn't just completely weird like they put a match of him and mello on tv and it was just like a random smackdown like that's a wrestlemania quality match that they're putting on a random smackdown and it still wasn't interesting so like i don't get it anyways so does it affect the card values yes it does i think it does tremendously and i was sort of harping on your point but yeah i know with that yeah with that i think we're we're gonna end it there next week we'll talk a little bit more about the cosmic release we'll talk about everything going on with the national get a little bit more information into people's hands there we're only two months away from the national can you believe it man like two months like with four days sixty four days i checked there sixty five when it kicks off how quickly so well think about us we have to cover two booths and we've got a prep and there's a lot of lot of prepping that goes and and obviously t shirt ordering promos i mean there's so much the ncwo and hollywood bannister comes to town that week we got a lot to cut between now and then so no it's a crazy it's gonna be a free to know it again i hope you're gonna be coming to the the rusty card takeover event that's going to happen again thank you to our sponsors i know adam did that i wanna again say thank you to all you latest one being thc brian who's a friend of both of us here and something somebody who will be set for the national with rusty cards really close to our booth from what he told me so again great list of people we got a few more we're finalizing out so i would hope in the next week we would have the list finalized and we could officially say you just made the list to them and then move on so nice with that we'll see you next week big gulps see you later