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Dearly Discarded is a podcast dedicated to people who have been silenced. We would like their voices to be heard, and so we are offering this podcast to do exactly that. These people are from all walks of life but they have one thing in common, they participated in the “safe and effective” medicine that they believed would protect them during the pandemic. Now they are injured and ignored. It is time for them to speak and be heard. Please listen with an open mind and heart. Hear these voices and share their stories with your friends and family. Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast.
Jennifer Sharp Video Complete
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Jared: [00:00:00] Welcome to the Dearly Discarded Podcast. My name is Jared St. Clair, and I'm honored today to have a guest on the show. A little bit different than previous shows because I already know this one. Um, usually I'm meeting my guests for the first time when I record their interviews, but today I get to talk to, uh, someone who's become an old friend over the last, uh, oh, 10 months or so, whatever it was when we met.
Jennifer Sharp is with me. Jennifer, welcome. Dearly Discarded podcast.
Jennifer: Hello. Thank you. It's great to be here. Very exciting. .
Jared: So you and I met, uh, back at the defeat, the mandates rally in Los Angeles, uh, near where you live. Uh, I don't remember when was that? Was that back in February?
Jennifer: Uh, April.
Jared: Was it April?
Okay. For some reason, All right. . So 10 months [00:01:00] ago-ish. Yeah. Uh, and or eight months ago-ish. Yeah, I did to do math. I was back to February again. Uh, we met at that rally. We were with, uh, the group React 19. That, uh, helps me put this show together on a weekly basis. And the idea was that we wanted to, uh, let the powers that be.
we don't want mandates, uh, when it comes to our medical freedom and what we put into our bodies. And of course, you came about this, uh, feeling of, uh, anti mandates in a little bit different way than I did. Uh, after you experienced problems with your vaccine for covid, tell us a little bit about yourself and about, uh, your vaccine.
Jennifer: Okay. So, um, great. It was, it's good to be here. It's, it's awesome when something comes into fruition. And I think when I met you, you were just starting dearly discarded. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I had never aired an episode yet. Yeah. Hadn't even aired. So you were talk and I had just went to the, um, mandate rally to, to film, and I was filming my, I had [00:02:00] just like a month into making this movie.
And, uh, so it's always really nice to like come full circle to like, Hey, look, you've been doing all these great episodes and, um, so, and my movie's done. It's done. So, but yeah. How did I get to the, the rally and the movie and my story? So I've been watching your podcast and, and I love, you know, I don't, love, love is a bad word.
I love that you're doing it. How's that? But seeing these stories and, um, there is a segment of us that are injured that aren't as horribly injured as the ones that, you know, that were, that we are putting a highlight on, which is good because horribly injured people draw more sympathy on, you know, unfortunately.
So, I mean, I, that's how it is. But there are injuries that a lot of us just look really normal, and yet there's buzzing and there's tingling, and that's more what happened to me. Like I never looked weird. Um, my, even though I thought I did, I thought I had Bell's palsy cuz my, the left side of my face was numb for like three weeks and it was, it felt like it was drooping, but when I looked in the mirror [00:03:00] I looked fine.
So that was a good, I mean, that was the weird part about it all was I just wasn't sure, um, what was going on and I couldn't just be like, oh look, I'm shaking, or, oh look, this is happening, or I ended up in the hospital, but it's like weird things are happening with my body. The left side of my face was numb for three weeks, and then off and on I chipped my tooth cuz I couldn't feel my gum.
Um, I, my knee and my ankle all on my left side were swollen. And this was all like the day af the, the night of my shot. Um, I went to bed and I was sweating the bed. I drenched it. I drenched it. , um, with sweat only on the left side. So my right side was totally cool and dry, and my left side was like overheating and sweating.
Um, I had a headache on the left side, just all this weird stuff. Um, and then that pretty much went on until now, which is almost two years later or close to it. And now I'm down to just buzzing. Um, I wake up every morning and my left. Is numb for the first [00:04:00] half hour and it's a slow numb that becomes a sle, like it's pins and needles, like it's asleep.
Um, but it happens every morning and it's the first hour and that's like the worst of it for me. And then throughout the day, I'll feel like a sharp needle pain in my palm or a sharp needle pain in my face. Like I just get these pin pricks that just happen. Um, so that's where I am right now. So it's still weird things that happen and I'm like, I feel like I'm lucky because I don't.
you know, something that debilitated me, but at the same time, I can't help but just be nervous. Like, does this mean I'm gonna get Parkinson's or Mar multiple sclerosis, or some kind of neurological thing? Is that gonna, maybe I would've gotten it 20 years from now and now I'll get it eight, you know, five years from now.
Like, what's going on with my nerves? I don't know. And there's definitely something going on and it's weird. Um, and so it's, I, I struggle with it. You know, there's levels of vaccine injury and there are a lot of us, I've talked to people who is like, we look fine and it makes us harder for you to believe us, but there's just weird [00:05:00] stuff that's been going on with my body since the shot, and I feel it, and it's neurological and it's a little, it's weird.
Jared: Yeah. And it's interesting cuz when we talked before you told me that, uh, you, even you, there was so much confusion going on about what had happened after the first shot that you even considered doing a second shot. Yes. Tell us a little bit about that and what was going on in your head then. .
Jennifer: Yeah, that's the crazy thing cuz it was March 5th, so it was early and it, and it was, you know, and I, I wasn't gungho about the shot.
I had listened to Garrett, Vander Hertz, I know that's not really how you say his name, but his one and a half hour video about spike protein and mRNA before I got my shot. And I was like, Hmm, that makes sense. You know, cuz all that makes sense. So I went with skepticism, but I also was like, you know, this seems to be the only option.
I'm gonna trust it. So I went, I got. and then I booked a trip to Mexico for the, like the couple days after my second shot, my, if I had had my second shot, so I'd be like, good to go. And [00:06:00] um, but then, yeah, and two weeks after my first shot, I was still having things, but it started to subside a little. Like it was obviously going down, so I was like, okay, maybe this is just a vaccine reaction, like maybe it's okay to get the second.
I was really confused. I didn't know what to do. I, I called, I contacted the N nih and I got a hold of somebody and they were like, um, we can't advise you. And I said, look, I've, I've had symptoms. I probably shouldn't take the second one. Right? And they replied back, we cannot advise you. We suggest you talk with your primary care doctor.
And that was all they said. And I don't have insurance and I don't have a doctor. And so, Yeah, that's a
Jared: silly reaction. Anyway. The primary care doctor knows a whole heck of a lot less than the National Institutes of Health. Right? Yes.
Jennifer: That's such a good point too. Cause I, I've, you know, as you work with primary care doctors, you realize they, yeah, they don't know.
Like, if anything, talk to a neurologist or, I mean, but primary, that's their way of like pushing it off and everybody, everything's like, talk to your primary care doctor. Um, get an [00:07:00] exemption from your primary care doctor. And it's like everything's put on the primary care doctor who's really just there to do evaluations and kind of send you off.
Um, yeah, so that was really frustrating. So then I was, I had started, I had found a support group. , my support group was like all doctors and nurses for the most part, cuz it was all people who in the medical industry had gotten it early. They didn't know what was happening, but we were all like, should we get our second shot?
There was actually a discussion and it was interesting and you'd think like, why would you get the second shot? But it's like, for the, like for me, who, it was obviously going getting better, I thought that I was just like, well maybe I should just finish this. Like I've already done it halfway. I wanna be immune to Covid if this is the solution.
Maybe I should just take a chance and do it like this. Wasn't that bad. I guess. It's weird. I'm numb, but like, I don't Yeah, it was wild. It's wild. I mean, in the end of the day, I didn't, um, it started to come back too. By the time I got to week three, my face was numb again, and I was like, okay, wait, if my face is numb, , why would I get the second shot?[00:08:00]
it, it seems like common sense, but it's not. Cuz we were in the state of like emergency and panic and there aren't reactions and you're kind of trying to trust that like it's not really gonna, and everybody I know is like, oh no, I'm fine, I'm fine, I'm fine. So I'm like, okay, well I'll probably be fine if I take the second shot.
Um, , but some people did take the second shot in our group and some people didn't. And some people it went always, some people ended up in the hospital after their second shot. Some people had no change, just no answers. Nobody knows anything. There's no answers, there's no consistency. Um, but yeah, I decided, and I'm very happy that I didn't get the second shot and I went to Mexico with one.
And I have friends in Mexico. It was a local community and they were all hugging me and I was like a little traumatized cuz I was from LA and I was not from Salt Lake City where everything was, was more open. We were very scared in LA so, yeah.
Jared: Well, and as anybody who lived through this. Pandemic [00:09:00] knows.
Fear was the biggest driver of almost everything, right? And, and so the fear of doing it wrong or getting somebody else sick because of a decision you made or whatever, uh, created a a whole lot of the, what I would consider to be lack of critical thinking that was happening at that time. So I, I don't really blame anybody for making whatever decision they made because, , what was happening at the time was an incredibly big challenge for all of us to try and navigate and figure out.
what's the best thing to do? Because no matter what you did, someone was telling you you were doing it wrong. Right? Right, right. So, uh, the, the good news, of course, in your case is that for the most part you're back to normal. Although as you, you told me, I think before we started, you felt like you're 90, 95%.
Is that kind of what
Jennifer: you would say? Yeah, I'm like 90, 95% better. So I, I feel lucky. I, if this was the rest of my life, I will be. it just weird things like, oh, here's the itching that's starting, and suddenly my fingers and palms start itching and yeah, [00:10:00] I can live with that. But like I said, what does that mean for later though, when my body weekends and I get older
Jared: and, you know?
Yeah. So there's still that in the background, which I'm sure will always, there'll always be questions as far as that goes for you. So having had that experience, there's, there's two parts to this based on how I've seen it. The people who get injured by the vaccine, the first thing they get to deal with is the injury itself, right?
Trying to figure out what the heck it is, what's happening to them, who can help me with it? All of those types of questions. But the second part, and I think the more tragic part is the, uh, aftermath of that. Trying to actually find help from someone who knows. Who will even believe you that you were injured in the first place, particularly someone like yourself that looks just like you did prior to the shot.
Um, and so tell us a little bit about how that went for you and what led you to make the movie Anecdotals. Okay.
Jennifer: So [00:11:00] yeah, it was, I, since I didn't have health insurance, I was in a rare situation where I could, I w I had my support group of like thousands of people and everybody's like, my doctor doesn't know, my doctor doesn't believe me.
And these are doctors. Yes. Like these are doctors. Like, so they, and they can't get help. So I, I quickly realized, and I, I quickly realized I couldn't go to like the public health community center and sit for 12 hours during Covid and have like a whatever, you know, doctor saw me understand me. I started paying for alternative health medicine.
Like I have a, I do have a naturopath MD N. ND md, um, Dr. Corgi, who's in the movie, who was awesome, like she let me interview and I wasn't sure if there'd be any doctors that would let me interview them because it's so controversial, but she let me interview her. , she's wonderful. I've been seeing her for a while, um, off and on, and I just pay cash, you know, like, so, which I just pay cash, like I have cash to pay , , but you know, it's like not, there's not insurance related, so, right.
I went [00:12:00] to her and she was understanding. I went to an, another doctor that associated with her, there's two doctors kind of in their thing, and they kind of got me on some, and they were like, right away were like, yeah, I've been seeing this. I, so they were, I've been seeing. Um, this other doctor that I saw too, who's like, I've been seeing it, but she wouldn't let, she wouldn't write me an exemption.
And I actually, um, hadn't talked to Dr. Corgi yet. I was talking to another doctor first who was like a, also a whole health doctor, and she was like, oh yeah, I've been seeing this. This is so bad. And um, so that was nice that she did it. But the mainstream doctor is like, nobody knew no one was helping, but even though she agreed with me, she wouldn't give me an exempt.
Um, and I had a job coming up and she wouldn't give me an exemption. Um, and she actually called me at home at night cause I sent her a scathing email. Like, I won't get this job because of you. You're the only doctor who's ever seen me. So how do I get an exemption from another doctor? Um, this was not Dr.
Corgi who's in my movie, um, and she ended up [00:13:00] calling me at home crying and she goes, I am so sorry, but like, I guess she didn't wanna put anything in writing either anymore, but she was like, I'm so sorry, like, , I know you had a reaction. Don't get the second shot. You need to heal. Um, but I will not write exemptions.
I, it, it's really dangerous. You can get your medical license taken away if you write exemptions. We're in California and she just said, I, I won't do it. She was like, this is the hardest thing. I've had to make a decision between helping my patients, like having a practice where I can help people or losing my practice and standing up for things and she's like, I've made the decision that I can do more good helping.
So I'm helping patients, I'm seeing patients, but I'm not gonna give any exemptions. And then she even said, I won't even, I can't even report that you had an adverse reaction like that makes you. So she, and she told me she was crying and she was like, it's a really hard time and I'm sorry. So I couldn't get an exemption.
So that's why I went to the, you know, there was like, so I started losing work. I couldn't, I'm in Los Angeles, everything's closed. [00:14:00] I'm, I'm invited places and I'm not allowed to go because the venues don't let me in. It was wild. It's a wild experience, man. Like you never think that you'll experience like living.
where you have a pa, you have a, you don't have the paper that you can't get in. And it was, and nobody cared. You know? That was the thing. Like nobody in my life cared. Like my life was very provax. The people in my life and everybody's doing the right thing get vaccinated. And then I'd be like, do you realize like I can't go to things?
And people would stop and pause and be like, oh, that's, I'm sorry for you. Like that's rough and okay, that doesn't seem right. And then they go on with their lives. , no one ever invested in the fact that like, Hey, you know, this good friend of mine, my sister, my whatever, like is not allowed to, you know, and that was, it was wild.
And it was just, and so then I started just seeing like the hardheadedness of it all. And then I lost jobs. I lost a really good job in January of this year because I only had one vax. And um, I even got an exemption at that. and they wouldn't take my exemption. And I even offered to get, I [00:15:00] offered to get tested every day, and it was only a three week job.
And I said, I'll get tested every morning. I'll show you my exemption. I'll show you my VAX card that shows I tried, and it's only three weeks. And on top of it, it's January. All the vaccinated people are getting omicron. So it's not even like there's a huge thing reason to be vaccinated. And they were like, no.
And so it was that losing that second job and just being outcast and nobody listening to me that I was like, , I have to make this movie and yeah. And so I, well,
Jared: it's a level of discrimination that most people, regardless of race or, or religion, in our day and age, hadn't experienced. Yes. Right. And then all of a sudden, here it is again.
And it harkens back to darker days in our history. Yeah. When, uh, people were treated, uh, as outcasts, uh, for yeah. Whatever reason. Right. So, yeah, it, it, it's really interesting cuz when I look back on it myself, I look back on what happened over the last couple of years. It is hard to [00:16:00] believe it happened.
like, you look back on it, it's like, was the, is this like a two year dream? What happened back then? Because it, it's, I look back at, at pictures, uh, you know, at the anti or the, uh, yeah, the anti-man rally and things like that. It seems surreal. Yeah. But for someone like yourself who is living in what, you know, many would consider one of the most hot areas when it comes to covid, you know, New York, la, uh, places like that, where it was.
Where you were really on the outs if you weren't, uh, you know, fully vaccinated and, uh, following, you know, the, the mandates and the narrative and all that kind of stuff. I don't even know what it would've been like. I, I'll say that Utah was interesting in that way. It was, it was a lot more divided, more of a 50 50 type of a situation here.
Uh, and, and I don't even know what it had been like for you, but when we met, uh, back to the, uh, the time that we met, we were in a hotel across from each. I was in this room [00:17:00] interviewing people for dearly discarded. You were in this room interviewing people for anecdotals. Neither one of us knew what the other one was really doing at first.
Yeah. And it was really funny because the first thing I noticed is that someone who I had just interviewed was going into your room, . We were the press to get interviewed and I was like, this is interesting. I gotta know who this person is. Um, and I had actually heard that somebody was making a film while I was down there, but I didn't know who that somebody was.
And, uh, we were doing that, the, uh, and we were interviewing, of course, vaccine injured people to get their stories out there. And that was the, uh, beginnings as, as you discussed earlier of this podcast and of your movie now a movie. Is a tremendous undertaking compared to recording a show for a podcast.
Mm-hmm. , uh, this takes me the amount of time that it takes to record and an hour or so of editing and it's up. Uh, you've been doing this for a long time. Uh, what, first off, let's just start with your motivation. Why [00:18:00] did this movie have to be made in your opinion? ,
Jennifer: um, this movie had to be made because there were too many people who didn't see what was going on.
And especially on, and I'm gonna say left and right, because we really don't have good terms to describe each other. And I don't wanna make it political and I don't wanna make it. , but I don't know how else to say it. Anti-vax provax left, right, like it is there. That doesn't really, those are all bad big words, but I'm just gonna say cuz it's easier.
I think we all know what we mean when I say there were people on the left who were like, oh, I've never heard of anybody having an injury. And still Indiana. I've never so many people, I would tell them that I had an injury. and because I didn't look bad, they weren't, they were a little empathetic, like, oh, I'm sorry.
Well, that's really rare. That's what they'd say. I'm sorry, but yeah, that's really rare. And then they're like, I've never known anybody else who's had an injury. And I just kept hearing that and I'm like, are you kidding? Like, I know five people who had injuries, like in my circle, in my, like my cousin, one of my best friends, somebody I play, you know, I, in my, I play volleyball [00:19:00] with like, it's.
So I'm like, how do you not know anybody who's had an injury? And then I started realizing how it things were being censored and how the mainstream media was not showing any of that, and how people with injuries weren't allowed to talk. And I started realizing these people legitimately have never seen anybody with an injury and they really don't think there are injuries.
And then I'm a filmmaker and I was fighting it. I didn't want to. . I didn't want to make this movie because I had just finished making my last movie. Um, and I was still recovering from that one. And I also am still now currently, um, promoting that one. It just got released on Amazon. It's called Unna. Great movie
But, um, but I, I should be promoting Unna great movie on Amazon and it's a comedy and it's fiction and it's what I do and I didn't want to honestly muddy un a great movie with the vaccine de debate. I'm like, you know, like, it's very, very different things. They're very different movies, you know? Yeah. And it's just, and that's my career as a filmmaker.
And if I start getting entrenched in this, it could really affect my career. It could, you know, affect [00:20:00] my image, it can affect the movie. I just spent six years making that I finally have on Amazon, and now I'm gonna, you know, so I was, I was kind of determined not to, but the world brought me to make this movie.
Honestly, the world brought me to make this movie. It was like, enough things kept happening. I lost the job enough. People were like, you can't, there's no such thing as vaccine injured people. It's really rare. I was like, no, I have to tell people this story. I'm a filmmaker. I'm a good filmmaker. Um, I'm responsible for this.
I've, I'm a big believer that artists have a responsibility to, um, to create art. And art is a reflection of the world, and the reflection of my world right now is so crazy and I'm an artist. It is my responsibility and I'm in a really unique situ. Where I've had been vaccine injured and people don't know, I was like, it's my responsibility.
My responsibility. So I took it and I just decided I can't put too much money into it, so, you know, I, I'm gonna do what I can. Um, and so I actually just started with the Senate hearing cuz there's like seven hours of footage, you know, [00:21:00] and, um, I broke it down and was like, how credit crafted it around that and then picked some interviews and I was like, I, I reached out and tried to get money.
I got enough money to like support me doing four in-person interviews. So I was like, I'll do four in-person interviews, I'll do senate, you know, I'll do research. And that was kind of how it all started. And um, then I was doing 'em at the rally, but a lot of things came into place. Like even the money I got to do the four interviews was like really easy to get in the end.
Like it was like someone was like, yes, I'll help you here, do this, you should do this. And I'm like, okay, I should do this. And then, you know, and I went to the rally and everybody was so great and that became a really easy place to like, get more interviews because like if people just came to the hotel room.
So that was really awesome. It just became easy. Like the movie guided me and then a month into making it, I got a call, um, from a, an organization, I'm gonna get their name wrong, but it's the Health National Health Congress in, and it was in Minneapolis. They were having a congress and they [00:22:00] wanted to screen my movie.
They heard I was making it. and I had only started making it a month ago, and they're like, it will be September 23rd. And I was like, this was probably like April or March. April, April. And I was like, yeah, I think I could be done by September 23rd. Okay, I'll do it. And I committed to screen the movie, so I'm like, okay, now I gotta get this done.
Yeah. But things fall into. . Well, that's
Jared: awesome because it really is, I mean, this type of a, of a project for you has to be a labor of love. You're not gonna put this up on Amazon and make money on it, right? Yeah. Uh, and so it's, it. The reason for the film is the need for the film, not the, uh, you know, any kind of financial gain or whatever else.
So in, in the process of making the film, did you learn more about, uh, vaccine injury, uh, than you already knew? What, what, uh, what did you learn from doing the film and, and interviewing all of these people and, and, uh, screening all that footage [00:23:00] that you finally put in the documentary? Okay,
Jennifer: so this. Maybe not the answer you want, but honestly the the biggest thing I learned from doing this film was that I don't have to hate Trump support.
But I, and I say, and I put it like that, but that is a huge thing to learn because you're coming from a place where the right hates the left. The left hates the right. You're this, we're that. And you have this knee jerk reaction. And I found myself, especially at the mandate rally. Oh, and I say Trump supporters, right?
We're just, you know. But I found myself around people who were totally politically different than me, who were so used to hating each other and fighting. , they're on my side and they're the only then they believe and understand more than the people who I come from than like, you know, they understand. And I started to really have to put in check my own personal prejudices against extreme right wing people, like, you know, and I, and I started to put in check and I started [00:24:00] to put in check what I was fed by the media.
And I started to question everything that I thought I knew beforehand. And I realized, hey, I've been falling into the prey of the media as everybody has and of this division, and there shouldn't be this division. And just because you are super right wing or you voted for Trump, doesn't mean anything.
You're still a good person. I can still like you, we can have different opinions on different, uh, we don't have to agree on every issue and you can still be a good person. And that was a, that was a big thing that it's a big thing to swallow I think, for all of us. Cuz we're in a ver and like whatever side you're on, if you hate liberals or if you are, you know, doing all this, like, I think we all need to stop and put ourselves in check and be like, you know what, we can actually all really like each other and it's okay to disagree.
And I started to just see how. that I, that just dissolved away. And that was my biggest actually thing I learned was just this journey of, of feeling like, okay, we're all one and I don't have to hate each other. And I would even interview people for the documentary and then I would go to [00:25:00] their Facebook page to kind of like start, you know, I wanted to make sure that everybody was credible.
And so I'd dig on these people and I'd realized they'd be at rallies that were like, so against my fundamental beliefs, politic. and I'm like, oh wait, I have this person in my movie . And then I'm like, but then I was like, so what? Well, what does that have to do with my movie? And why they, why can't they believe in that?
Why would I take them out of my movie? Because they have different views, because they're, you know, protesting something that I'm really, you know, like, why? So, and that was just a really, and I'm like, no, they we're all humans. It was. So that was a great thing to learn. And a growth I think is always really interesting when you as a human grow and open and change and evolve.
And I evolved in terms of understanding that we're humans and stopping divisiveness and, and, um, That was my biggest learning, that what I learned. All right. That's
Jared: interesting because you know what I find, well, first off, for what it's worth, you seem to be okay with me, and I think Biden and Trump are both lunatics, so there you [00:26:00] go.
Yeah. ,
Jennifer: but I didn't see
Jared: I'm, that's where I'm at on it. Yeah. . Um, but, uh, you know, our mutual friend, Brianne Dressen, uh, she, uh, when we very first started talking about this, This podcast, uh, she said, yeah, the hashtag Team Humanity. And I've seen that pop up on all kinds of React 19 posts and things like that.
And that, I think is one of the, there's always a silver lining to every, or at least the potential for it to every tragedy or every, you know, miscarriage of justice or whatever you want to call it. And what I have learned as someone who was not vaccinated and therefore not. And who definitely came at it from a different angle than most people that chose to get vaccinated.
Is that on both sides of whatever aisle you want to say? Because what I think is interesting, you know, you say left, right, conservative, liberal, whatever, COVID was a little bit different, right? Because it was really, it was [00:27:00] masked. , an anti masked. It was vax, anti-vax. Right? And it wasn't necessarily along political lines.
There were certainly, I would say, more people on the left that were in the Provax and Proma community and that kind of thing, but not exclusively. And, and that itself, uh, probably woke up a lot of people to kind of what other people were thinking on the other side, uh, when it comes to that. So, but what I've learned is that people.
Were injured regardless of their political persuasion prior to the injury. Are. People, they're still my brother and my sister, and people that I should as a fellow human being care for. And when I first started meeting vaccine injured people, one of the things that I kept hearing over and over again was how they were getting hit from both sides.
People who were vaccinated saying, you need to shut up. You're gonna cause vaccine hesitation. People who weren't vaccinated saying, why were you so stupid in the first place to get this thing [00:28:00] right? and that really stung. That stung me as a human being to hear that people who believed like I did that didn't take the shot, would ever treat somebody like you as some sort of a second class citizen because you were too stupid to figure it out for yourself.
The brutal realities of Covid 19 and the fear and everything else that happened. I think all of it needs to be exposed. And I love what you're doing with this movie because I do think it's a unique way of depicting, um, the, the. What's the word I'm looking for? The way that people end up having to live post vaccine injury.
So let's talk a little bit about why you made the film the way that you did what you were trying to achieve by making the film, besides just saying, Hey, these stories need to be heard. Why did you choose to do it and the way that you did it? .
Jennifer: Okay. So I wanted to obviously enlighten the world to vaccine [00:29:00] injuries, but I also knew that very few people would have a tolerance to just sit and watch a documentary for an hour or an hour and a half.
Um, an hour and 20 minutes is what this ended up being. Just listening to people's vaccine injury stories, like I think that your podcast is like the perfect platform for that, you know, one at a time. Take a break. Here comes somebody else. Take a break. But like, but I knew and somebody, and I thought about doing shorter bits of content, but like, that wasn't interesting to me.
I'm a filmmaker. I like to tell a story. I like kind of a beginning, middle end. I like to take you on a journey. I don't do short thi, I mean, I could, but like, I was just like, how can I make this? So I was like, how can I make this interesting? How can I compel people? Especially because I wanted to compel people who were very, who were skeptic.
So I know I can get the people who are on the side of understanding not to get vaccinated. I know I can get them to watch it, but can I get the skeptics to watch it? Um, how do I do that? And I just knew right away as a filmmaker, I was like, this has to be personal and I have to tell my story. . [00:30:00] Um, which actually makes me even more nervous.
I mean, made me even, cuz my face is in the movie. I'm bringing you on my journey. So there's no hiding for me. So I'm definitely out there, you know, and it's like, so I was like, but it has to be personal. It has to be my story. And so when I sat and thought about my personal story with this, a big part of my story, and it's funny because you asked me, you know, what did I learn the most?
And I go straight to like the political, spiritual evolution. . So when I asked myself that as a filmmaker originally, I'm like, oh, my vaccine injury, the vaccine injury, people I've met, the Facebook groups are heartbreaking. The things people post, I wish I could share them. They chill. You like someone's just like today, you know, how am I gonna go on?
I don't know how I'm gonna do it. Once again, it's this, my life has been ruined forever and you know, like people sometimes just have breakdowns and people don't know what's going on. So I was like, there's an injury. But I was like, my real journey. is just how bad things are politically in the division.
And my real journey was like my evolution in opening my eyes and I'm like, if I could [00:31:00] bring people on that evolution with me. then I could also maybe help cha open other people's eyes and make other people think. So it became really quickly, I'm telling my story. My story is, the story of a vaccine injury is also the story of a, of a evolution of ideology and a personal growth.
So I, so that's how I do it. I, so I talk about injury, but I also talk a little bit about the politics and the division. Um, and then, yeah. And so that was my way of doing it. Um, I wasn't sure when I started, if it would, I was, I mean, I said from the beginning, I don't know if I can do this. This is a tall order.
Like, and I remember you said to me at the mandate rally, I was like, cuz I was just like, I don't know, like an hour, an hour and a half is a long, I don't know if I can make this interesting, but I'm gonna try. And I remember you were like, one of the people you had seen, the three minute trailer, I showed you the three minute trailer that I had made to raise money and you were like, oh, it's gonna be.
And it's just, it's always funny when people are, and you were like, if it's anything like the trailer that I saw, like just your tone and your approach, it's gonna be great. And you were so, and I remember and as a [00:32:00] filmmaker, when people are so sure about you, it's always just funny cuz I'm like, I wish I could believe that.
You know, what does he know? How does he know it's gonna be great? But it gives you, I'm like, well, he thinks it's gonna be great . Um, that's one person, . I know there were a few people though that were like, oh, it's gonna be great. And I'm like, well, you don't really know that cuz it could be really boring and it could be.
But, but no, I mean, but I take, I absorb that and I take it and it ended up being pretty great. Like, we're getting really good responses and um, we're getting really, really good responses. and the, the biggest response I get is that it's personal. It's something that they haven't seen because it's personal, because I'm telling my story and that's what separates it from just a report of peace on vaccine injury.
And
Jared: I think that does really separate it and set it apart because there are plenty of people again on that are, I guess more like me that have been sort of raising. Uh, caution flag from two years ago, three years ago, saying, Hey, wait a minute. Let's slow this thing down. [00:33:00] Uh, maybe we don't need to do this.
And we've been talking that talk. I think it's super poignant when someone who's actually experienced it and lived through the process of injury and recovery like you have, uh, gets to tell the story. It is different and it's far more personal. And I think that's really important because as I've done these interviews, What I've recognized is that it's always personal, right?
This is an individual whose life has been changed in sometimes a really dramatic way, sometimes a less dramatic way. But no doubt it's a big change for anybody who's experienced these injuries. and it's a very, very personal, uh, thing. And so for you to be the person behind this, um, not someone like me who hasn't lived the experience, I think is really, really powerful.
I, uh, full disclosure, I've seen, I saw your initial rough cut of the movie. Of course I saw the trailer. And I've seen about the first 20 minutes of this [00:34:00] final cut of the movie and it, I haven't even seen the entire thing yet. I'm already in love and part of it is because I know quite a few of the people in the movie and I love those people already
Uh, so that makes it easy, but it's really, really well done. In fact, you, you posted something completely unrelated on Facebook the other day about the movie. You were just saying un a great movie, and people were just raving about it, saying how great it is. And I. Well, I don't know about this movie. How do I watch this movie?
So you sent me the link, so I gotta watch that one too. No, now you got two movies to watch. Exactly. Yeah. So we'll have a, a Jennifer Sharp movie night at, uh, at my place. But I'm, I'm grateful to you putting this out and I wanted to tell this story. Uh, you know, we've talked about you being on this show since way back in April.
Um, but I wanted to wait. , the time was right and the movie's out. Uh, let's talk about the challenge of getting a movie like. Um, into the public view.
Jennifer: Yeah, so it's really interesting as a filmmaker [00:35:00] to make a movie that from the beginning, you know, nobody will buy. Um, it's just obvious. No streaming platforms will touch it.
Amazon, Netflix, like none of nobody wants to buy a movie like this. Everybody stays away. If anybody knows the story of the Robert Janeiro tribe, Rebecca Film Festival, and. But people in the industry know that, like Vaxxed, however, 15, 10 years ago, whenever was accepted into Tribecca Film Festival, and then it was, it was, um, boycotted so badly that they pulled it from the festival like the night before.
Um, and so no festival wants to go through that again. No one, no one wants to like risk that. So I'm not getting into festivals. I'm not like, I'm not even gonna delude myself. So what do I do? Um, luckily we have streaming, you know, we have streaming stuff we can put it on, right? So there's YouTube, which is like the, you know, so, and then the, the question becomes, do we put it, where do we put it?
And I'm not gonna sell it, but I could make money with ads. I could get 2 million views, put advertisements on it. and make some good money. [00:36:00] Um, but I don't wanna break up this movie with ads. Like, I just think I might lose people during the commercials. You know, it is a really heavy movie. It's some people can go sit all the way through it and some people are gonna need breaks or need reasons to step away.
Um, and some people aren't gonna wanna watch it to begin with. , but someone's, someone's gonna have said, Hey, watch this movie. So they're gonna do it. And in the first commercial break, you know, I was like, we decided we didn't want ads. Which is a big decision cuz I've honestly, as a filmmaker, I've never made money from my films and I dream that I will like, you know, make little, it's hard, you know, I'm like, this is actually a movie I could make money from.
Because so many, like we've already gotten in three days, probably 10, like in two days, like 10,000 views. And that includes with it being taken down from. the first day. So we lost, you know, so, uh, you know, just thinking about putting commercials in, if I get paid for every commercial, but it, we had to have the discussion.
I had to say, am I crazy? Am I not taking myself seriously as a filmmaker by not thinking of making money? Um, But no, the reason I made it is I want people to see it and I want [00:37:00] skeptical people to see it. So those people definitely aren't gonna pay for to rent it or add. So we decided to put it for free.
Um, we put it for free on YouTube. We started on YouTube, um, and then, , we knew it would get taken down and it basically within a day they took it down. Which is so sad because I had like, we had like 5,000 views on YouTube and like 70 comments. And the comments were just these beautiful stories of other vaccine injured people sharing their stories in the comments and saying, thank you for letting me see myself on the film.
I've never seen my story told this. I feel so well represented. And then, , like heart wrenchingly, their whole story. And then at the end, this one person, this one guy at the end said, and I've never reported my injury like he did this whole thing. He's like, I've never reported my injury. There's so many people who've never, so it was actually becoming a really nice community on YouTube to like for people to like have catharsis and talk and thank me for the movie and make me realize what a good thing it's doing.
And then YouTube took it down. [00:38:00] So then I have it on my website, but the website is only linked to like, it was linked to YouTube. Now I have my website linked to Vim. Vimeo will probably take it down. And it's really sad, but like, we're actually, we're going to the mainstream ones first and we're gonna let them take us down.
Like we're not, we, you know, not straight to rumble. So there's Rumble and Odyssey, which are like the two that supposedly don't censor, so that's a no-brainer to go there. But like, nobody's heard of Rumble and Odyssey, honestly, like on the left side, like so, you know. So, , I'm trying to like make it more available to the to, so we're, we are trying the more mainstream stuff first, but it's a shame because we're gonna end up being pushed into Rumble and I appreciate Rumble and Odyssey for what they're doing and I hope they become more mainstream.
Um, and I hope with that they become more technically efficient because they also have. Worst, the worst quality of showing the movie . So they have a
Jared: lot less money behind them than YouTube does, right? Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So it takes a challenge.
Jennifer: It's a [00:39:00] challenge. Yeah. So,
Jared: so the, the censorship thing, I mean, I think at this point most of the people listening to dearly discarded podcasts are already pretty aware of what's going on with censorship and all that.
Um, but. Whether you're aware of it or not, the key at is to understand that because of the censorship, it behooves us as people who care about this topic to be the ones that get it in front of people's eyes. Yes. So I'll speak now directly to you listening to this show and say, If this conversation and once you watch this movie, cuz if you listen to the show and you don't watch this movie, you're crazy.
It's an amazing movie. You've gotta watch it. But once you've watched the movie, don't stop there. Uh, show it to friends and family. Um, have a gin sharp movie night at Ear place. Heck, do a double feature. Start with the heavy one. , do anecdotes and then say, now we have this comedy we can watch. Uh, and, and we'll do 'em in a, in a double header, [00:40:00] uh, you know, show it to people.
Uh, share it with people, talk about it on social media. Uh, get the word out there because we, there are enough of us that if we all open our mouths, uh, this type of a movie can move forward regardless of the censorship and millions of eyes can see it, but it requires that we, uh, do our job and do our part, uh, as.
Citizens of the, of the human world, uh, to get this information out there. So please, if you're listening to this and if you're understanding the gravity of it, uh, share the movie with everybody that you know and know that this movie is one that might actually be accepted by people who don't. Necessarily believe all the stuff you're posting on Facebook Exactly.
When it comes to vaccines.
Jennifer: Right, exactly. Yeah. If there's people in your life that you have argued with, if you have family members or friends that don't get it [00:41:00] and you, it's kind of, you know, those are the people that you say, Hey, just watch this movie. It'll help you kind of see it. You know? I made it very, I made it very easily easy to digest for everybody.
I'm not blaming people, I'm not, , I'm not, you know, it's just like, I'm just asking questions and you can't deny that. So, yeah. So share it also with the skeptics in your
Jared: life. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Because really that's what we need is we need to make the community, uh, bigger, uh, that is accepting that, hey, there are injuries.
Safe and effective isn't what we were told it was, and all of that type of thing. And, uh, it, it, it is difficult because we have been, with all the division that you just talked about, Jen, we have been shoved into our own echo chambers in major ways, right? Yes. I mean, I don't even know if you know, and, and actually I'll ask you this question, did you realize how.
Adamant the other side was in terms of, Hey, no way I'm putting that thing in my body. Until [00:42:00] you started, until you became injured yourself and started to talk to people on that side of thing.
Jennifer: Yeah, I, I, I knew it. I had one, not really. I always thought it was more political, actually. So I thought that people who were like, no way I'm putting that in my body.
Like it had to do with like you, More like political rights, which it does on a certain level, but also like they didn't like Biden at that point. I think if Trump, you know, I just felt like it was more like, oh, they're taking that stance cuz Biden's the one pushing it. Just like if Trump had been pushing it, the other side would've taken that stance.
Um, but what I realized though, actually, is that what I didn't know is just the health and science behind it, behind the, the anti-vax movement. Um, that is actually. Um, it's rooted in a lot of science and health and thoughtfulness, and it's not irrational and there's a lot of valid validity and I, I learned the validity of it, you know, that it's not just a political thing.
And that's, and it really does make sense. There's a lot of things about vaccinations. Like I [00:43:00] always, the whole childhood vaccination thing. Um, One of the things about not having children like that I literally thought was like, well, I guess I never have to cross that bridge of like if I'll vaccinate my kids or not, because I did understand.
I did, I did always know that that was a really complicated issue. So, and it's a, it's a complicated issue and it's just, it's really, really hard.
Jared: Yeah, well, it's like everything that has been politicized, there's way more nuance than anybody wants you to believe. Uh, and so, you know, it's this whole hard right hard left thing.
I really believe that there are not that many people that are extreme on either side of the aisle, but we hear about those people constantly in the media. Yeah. The extreme sides. There's a whole bunch of us that are in the middle that really aren't as far apart as they'd like us to believe. So, and I, and I do think.
It is one of the silver linings of Covid. A whole lot of people are waking up to that on both sides of things. Yeah. And starting to embrace their fellow men that maybe voted differently than they voted. Right. . So I and [00:44:00] I, that is for me, going through this and seeing this and doing shows about it for the last couple of years, and receiving letters saying that I was complicit in the death of thousands because of my stance on the Covid vaccine and all this stuff.
Having lived through that process and seeing what's happened, I have to keep looking at, okay, what are the silver linings of this? What can we learn from this? How do we move forward from this? And I do believe that it is, uh, endeavors like yours with anecdotals, the movie that will help us to get there and help more and more of us to.
I think break down some of the walls that stand between us. I think that's really, really critical because this same thing is gonna happen again or something similar if we don't do something about it and make some changes in how we see the world. Yeah. Exactly. All right, so we've gone 45 minutes. I could talk to you until tomorrow.
Uh, what else do you think people need to understand, either about the movie, about vaccine injury? What else do you wanna share before we end this up?
Jennifer: Okay, so I [00:45:00] just, just to summarize like the, you know, the big points is first of all, just be clear. The movie can be seen on the website www.anecdotalsmovie.com.
It's also will probably permanently be able to be seen on Odys. Platform and on Rumble. Um, so those are kind of, those are the places that, that you can see it. So that's very clear. And just share it and just, um, I don't like, I feel like, I don't know, I feel like we covered it. I feel good. Like just it's, this is a movie that I made from my heart.
Like I said, I'm putting it out with no ads, with no, um, with no nothing but just to share it. If you love it, if you see it and love it, there are donation buttons, so you could buy the movie, you know, buy a $10 movie. if you, if you thought it was worth it and put a little $10 click in, but um, But more than anything, watch it.
Share it. This is really serious and it's actually on the censorship. We understand. I have a whole section in the movie called Censorship. It's section eight. Um, it's so I understand censorship [00:46:00] well. And when YouTube took this movie down, it was shocking. Even though I knew it was gonna happen and I, I wrote, you know, I know about it, it hurts because it's like, this is actually ro really.
It's criminal, it's wrong. It's, it's not a free society. And when my mo, when this movie is taken off of YouTube for Metaphor Medical Misinformation, and, and you can right now go to YouTube and you can see Dr. Fauci saying, and Dr. Wolinsky and Rachel Maddow all saying, if you get the shot, you will not get covid.
Like they said that early on, if you get vaccinated, you will not get covid. They said that those clips are still on. , they are absolutely medical misinformation and they are still on YouTube and you can go and hear all kinds of stuff from the government side, giving medical misinformation. And there's some stuff that's gray areas.
Is it true, is it not? We don't know, but there's certain things we know are not true. It's, you know, and they are saying those things that you will [00:47:00] not give. You know, and you're and tho, and that stuff is still on YouTube. They didn't take that down for medical misinformation. , but they took my personal journey of vaccine injury down for medical misinformation.
Like as much as I know, we all think we understand that. I hope that you guys just take an extra minute to digest that and realize how wrong this is. And I'm actually thinking, you know, That I really, you know, I'm really going towards the like, let's fight this and like, let's not accept this and like you said, let's become our own platforms.
Let's share it. Let's push it until the mainstream has to see it. This is a movie that the mainstream can digest, though. This could be the movie that breaks the misinformation censorship. If enough people get mad that this movie was censored, and then we can get on enough news shows like this is the movie that was censored.
And then people on the left will be like, this is what I'm not allowed to. and then people will really start understanding. So I would just say start getting angry. we're already angry, but like angry in a way to do action as to fight this [00:48:00] censorship. And this movie is actually a really good way to, to, to voice that.
Jared: Uh, you, I couldn't, I can't even add to that. I c I completely agree, and I think you nailed it. Um, we've got to do our part. We absolutely have to do our part. And this is one really good and easy way to do it. It's not hard to share a link to a movie and with a, a few words about how important it is that, uh, people watch it and it's not hard to, um, ask people to watch it with you.
So I would highly recommend Anecdotals. I wanna make sure that, that it is clear to, in the description of the podcast, we will have links to the website. Uh, will have, uh, all the key information that you need. And remember, it is anecdotals with an S, which I believe is a new word, uh, for this movie, . Uh, and so it's anecdotals movie.com.
And so if you're driving down the road, uh, and you're not looking at the show description, anecdotals movies.com movie. Geez, one s [00:49:00] anecdotals movie.com is where you want to go, but it will be in the show description. And, uh, we'll continue to update you on, uh, uh, anything else that comes of this movie. But it behooves all of us to do our part and share this thing far and wide.
Jen, thank you so much for your friendship, but more than anything for your, the labor that you've put into this thing over the last however many months, you, we already have decided that I can't do math . and for, for what you have accomplished with this movie. I'm excited to see what else you've done because I recognize that I think you know what you're doing when it comes to filmmaking,
Jennifer: so I think I know what I'm doing.
Yeah. Yeah. This was one thing. I know what I'm doing now. Thank you, . Thank you for, uh, for doing that podcast too. It's like, it's nice to have partners and, and I feel like you're a partner in this battle. And I also feel like every single person who watches your podcast is a partner in this battle, and it just makes me feel like we're, we got.
So thank you.
Jared: Well, nobody's making money sharing these stories, [00:50:00] right? And, and, and yet we do it because it needs to be done. And that, that in and of itself, I think speaks volumes. And so we, we have to, we, we have to take some time. We can't just go on and live our lives like nothing happened. So thank you so much, Jen, and thank you for listening to another episode of the Dearly Discarded podcast.
Share this podcast far and wide. Share anecdotals movie.com far and wide, and we will all make this world a better and freer place. Yes, thanks for joining us.