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Podcast by a Panhandle Surf Angler for all anglers of any level. We will talk weekly to guests that are anglers and also industry professionals. I want you to walk away from this podcast with some knowledge either refreshed or new for you to become a better angler. Though it will start in the Panhandle of Florida, it will be around the entire United States so we can all learn something about fishing in different regions.
Speaker 1 (00:00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:01:12):
Welcome back to the show everybody. It's a new week, new episode, and we're having some fun this week. We're taking the old digital road trip up to Virginia. And, alright, so if you guys haven't figured it out by now, I very happily scroll social media. And of course mine is fishing, fishing, cooking, cooking. Oh, okay. That looks fun. Cooking, fishing. And I've run into several great people along the way. And one of the fun parts is, is being the guy that will send an email out to somebody that has a phishing thing. Like, Hey, your stuff's really cool. I'd love to talk to you about it on the podcast. A lot of times it goes unanswered and that's okay. That happens. But there's a few times that it does get answered and it turns into shows like these. So, lots of fun this week. Like I said, we're going into Virginia. We're gonna be talking with Charles and Mildred. They don't have a channel per se. They do have social media and their stuff. Wa it's so fun to watch. So without further ado, let me just flapping here. Let's get in. Welcome to the show guys. Thank you so much for agreeing to come on and be tortured. I appreciate it, .
Speaker 2 (00:02:16):
Yeah, thanks for having us. It's good to be
Speaker 3 (00:02:18):
Here. Thank you for having us. Yeah, good.
Speaker 1 (00:02:20):
Well, the husband and wife interviews, people are like, man, these are interesting. And I love husband and wife teams because you guys have to work together and you know, being out there in the water after being home all day and all those pieces put, it is so much fun of that dynamic to watch that. So, and your guys' stuff is no different. I am. I, I very much so. Enjoy watching your videos. You guys do some fun stuff together.
Speaker 2 (00:02:44):
Yeah, we, we have a lot of fun. It's we always said it's, you know, it's kept our marriage strong. 'cause We always have, like you said, after being home all day, working all day, it gives us that release. And, you know, you're just like, when you're fishing with your buddies, you know, you're, you're gonna have a good time. You're, you're gonna laugh and joke around and, and you know, we do the same thing. So, you know, when we go out fishing, we're buddies out there. Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:03:08):
Yeah. You guys definitely have a good communicative, good relationship. When your videos, you know, if I, I don't see the one where it's like, yep, next one, one of them's gonna get caught in the CNET and thrown down. I mean, you, you guys really do work well together. work together.
Speaker 3 (00:03:24):
You have to, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:03:25):
. Alright, so you all are in Virginia? It's in Chi. I'm gonna butcher it. Chica Teague, I think it is.
Speaker 2 (00:03:33):
Chite. Chinguetti.
Speaker 1 (00:03:34):
Okay. So you got the entire Chesapeake Bay at your disposal and you've got the Atlantic Ocean right there down the road. Just a little hop skip at a jump. Not far. So you've got a lot of great fishing opportunities for you both. Yeah, we have,
Speaker 2 (00:03:48):
We have the best growth worlds.
Speaker 1 (00:03:50):
Okay. So I'm gonna jump ahead in a question here that's not in here because you brought it up. So for those of you that have never been to the Chesapeake Bay in Virginia in that area, the Bay itself is a monster. It is not this tiny little thing. It is huge. And there are very long bridges for that reason, however, 'cause I'm asking you this, what kind of species have you caught in the Chesapeake Bay?
Speaker 2 (00:04:17):
There's, there's Red drum, black drum, coia, striped bass. Mm-Hmm. Spanish mackerel, blue fish. You know, red Drum is ultimately our favorite fish. So we love to go to the Bayside and do overnight trips down at the Bay Bridge tunnel or, or even all the way up here at Saxes. So there's, there's a lot of really nice fish out there, good flounder fishing. Once you get up close to the bridge, you get a lot more stuff like the sheep's head around the bridges trigger fish, spade fish. So the Chesapeake Bay never ceases to amaze.
Speaker 1 (00:04:51):
So there you go. People, it's not just like itty bitty fishing, it's super fishing. And then you've got the, you've got the whole shoreline there. You can still play into the same one before the bend, whether it's off, you know, the northern portion even rocking down from the Delaware side and Maryland pieces. You've got so much availability and there's such a great fishery. I am, I'm so glad that you brought that up of what fish are there because I, I think a lot of people sleep on Virginia and Maryland and Delaware and, and the Bay. I really do that have never been.
Speaker 2 (00:05:22):
I I agree. I always say right here in the mid-Atlantic Eastern shore, Virginia area, we are in a sweet spot of seasonal fish migrations. So we, we get the red drum when they're at their biggest, we get the black drum when they're at their biggest and we get the stripe bass when they're at their biggest. So we are right in that sweet spot, as I like to say.
Speaker 1 (00:05:43):
Mildred, you seem to peek up there. What, what out of all those species it seemed like the striper was the one that got you happy there. What, what, what's your, what's your favorite? Yeah,
Speaker 3 (00:05:50):
It's, it actually, it's Red Drum. Okay. My favorite is Red Drum, but I caught a, a few nice striper this year, so that was nice too.
Speaker 1 (00:06:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:06:02):
We probably just had one of the better runs of, we, we, this year we had one of the better runs of big breeder straight bass that we've had in a few years. So for all the hoopla that we've been hearing about the damage to the fishery, we just had a, a run this year that would blow your mind. Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:06:19):
It was phenomenal.
Speaker 2 (00:06:20):
And that's not, isn't weird. That's not troll. That's all bait fishing. So
Speaker 1 (00:06:26):
Yeah. It, it's sometimes I feel like it's the hoop law in a way. Like, oh, we had such a bad year, the fishery's falling apart and then the next year it's dynamite. Just an explosion slope. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:06:39):
Yeah. I mean, you know, I grew up on the Chesapeake, so I remember the moratoriums. I remember down in the you know, upper Chesapeake Bay where the c and d Canal is. I remember all the restaurants where staging tanks to bring in you know, the juvenile stripers to grow them in the and release them into the spawning grounds. And that's where I grew up, is in their spawning grounds in the Chesapeake Bay. So I remember when the stock was decimated, you know, I, we used to be able to walk right after front door of our house and just catch big striper. And when it got decimated you couldn't even find a fish. And the past few years it seemed like it was a little slow, but this year it was just off the hook. The guys we fished with, I mean, we had some days out on the beach this year that was just citation after citation after citation.
Speaker 1 (00:07:34):
It's awesome.
Speaker 3 (00:07:36):
So nice. We
Speaker 1 (00:07:37):
We we were just in Virginia last, what was it? I guess it was in July, I think it was. And I, I only went out for a couple hours with Ninja Tackle and we went out and had some fun. And I just watched the, everyone the lines were out and it was just up and down the shoreline if there was sand. I was seeing rods in the bay and I was like, oh man, everybody's really getting after it. Yeah. And those guys were like, dude, the stripers and the blues are going nuts right now. Yeah. We went, we went for sheepies 'cause we were in a boat that day, but and I watched a lot of rods bending. It was very impressive. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:08:09):
So
Speaker 2 (00:08:09):
Awesome. Yeah. It it was quite spectacular run this year. Yeah. So we're looking forward to it in the fall with the big red drums.
Speaker 3 (00:08:16):
And we have both, we had the strip bass and the same day and red drum.
Speaker 2 (00:08:20):
Yeah. We had a few days there where the stripe bass and the big red drum running together. Yeah. She had one day where she had four straight bass off the beach. All big breeders. One of 'em was a citation and then did three citation red drum back that night. that night.
Speaker 1 (00:08:36):
That was
Speaker 2 (00:08:37):
On the same day. So that's very rare. Talk
Speaker 3 (00:08:39):
About an awesome day. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:08:41):
. So that's very rare that that, that you'll find them together. But like I say, we're in that sweet spot in the Eastern shore where all these big fish love to hang out and eat.
Speaker 1 (00:08:51):
Ah, see everybody. There you go. The eastern Shore. Listen to the key things. There are certain places in reality everywhere's gonna work. Yes. So don't, don't get too worried. Yeah. There
Speaker 2 (00:09:00):
Is, there is certain, the only places, you're right,
Speaker 1 (00:09:04):
The only place I know you can't catch fish is Virginia Beach in the hotel district because you can't fish there. So don't try .
Speaker 2 (00:09:11):
Yeah. If you head, if you head a little bit south to duck, I think it's Duck is the first one. After Virginia Beach, you can drive on there. And that's good fishing there. Yeah. It's
Speaker 1 (00:09:20):
Either duck. Yeah. The one south of is it, is the Ducks Duck south of Dam neck, isn't it? I think it is. It's the one right after Dam Neck. I don't know. I know
Speaker 2 (00:09:28):
You. Yeah. It's says soon as you believe Virginia Beach, it'd be their first little town in North Carolina. So there, there's some phenomenal fish in there.
Speaker 1 (00:09:37):
Yeah. And you can just keep walking down the coast and it just keeps, it just keeps getting better. 'cause Then you're into the Outer Banks game if you really want to turn a little bit and you, it just, it just continues to improve.
Speaker 2 (00:09:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:09:49):
Oh, I need to get back there. Okay. Sidebar. All right. I'm not gonna do that anymore. Alright, . So let's start at the very beginning. Questions here. Tell us your guys' story and what what got you into fishing?
Speaker 2 (00:10:01):
So I, I'll let her take off after I, after I give the introduction. So I grew up doing it, you know, I grew up on the eastern shore here, so I've fished and crab my whole life. You know, my father had me on a boat when I was a tiny little kid. So it's something I grew up doing and just never got tired of doing it. I've always been a conservation nut. I've never wanted to kill our industry per se. So I grew up doing it. It's a passion I never lost. The more I learned, the more I loved it. The, the more fish I caught, the more I loved it. You know, it just, there's nothing boring about it. And then when I met her, the world just took off for me. I had a partner that wanted to come in and experience what I experienced and it's just no looking back. And now it's all with her and it's what I love to do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:10:51):
He got me on that boat and took me flounder fishing when we first got together and I hooked up a flounder and that was it. Mm-Hmm. and ever since then, which is every week, and we were fishing mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:11:04):
. And that's, that's, I started her off on small fish. I got her a, you know, four pound tackle pole, would use jig heads, little pieces of cut bait and just let her walk the sandbars and whatnot. And she would just have a field day on little flounder and Roker and whatnot. And, you know, those fish on four pound tackle. It was pretty fun. And that's how she started. And she just progressed from there into bigger and bigger fish. And now she's caught fish that I could only dream of. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:11:31):
. Boy, did you regret that?
Speaker 1 (00:11:34):
? No regrets. Not even all of you see that, that's the thing. No, right there. That's the thing. You guys, you, you, how many married couples do we all know? And you know, we're, this isn't a mental health show or anything like that, but I mean, how many couples do we know that won't do things together like that? And you guys have found it and are working it together and are having a blast in doing so?
Speaker 2 (00:11:59):
Yeah. You know, I, I always said it's the, the best, the best thing I did was put the fishing pole in her hand. You know, I, I grew up doing it. I caught a lot of great fish and when we met, I, I wanted her to love the same way. I loved it, you know, and the only way you're gonna love it is if you can actually do it. So I took the pole outta my hand, put it in her hand, and transferred my knowledge. And she took right to it, like a fish, fish and water. And you know, she learned it. She learned how to tire own rigs and cut her own bait and throw a cast net and do everything. And now she's a local legend. .
Speaker 1 (00:12:35):
. Perfect. Okay. So being up there, what type of fishing do you all like to do now?
Speaker 3 (00:12:42):
Surf fishing.
Speaker 2 (00:12:43):
Surf fishing. And we love our boat. We love going out on a boat, but we can't wait for spring and fall surf fishing. That's, that's our times.
Speaker 1 (00:12:50):
Make that one easy, didn't you? . Alright. What is your favorite thing about fishing?
Speaker 2 (00:12:57):
For me, it's, it's the, it's the, the tranquility, the sounds, the nature. There's nothing better. You know, we could spend 20 hours on a beach in a weekend looking for those big fish and not catch a thing. But we've got to see the most beautiful sunrises, the most beautiful sunsets. The, the moon at night, the stars, you know, when we see star length flying by, it's, we just see the, we always say we get to see the most beautiful things.
Speaker 3 (00:13:25):
Yes. And for me it's a competitive too side of it. I'm always chasing now that personal best. Mm-Hmm. and learning and, and just learning the water, just being out there mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:13:36):
and we compete with each other. Yes. We can count of our big fish throughout the year. We compete with each other. See who has the most at the end of the year. So it's a competition for us.
Speaker 3 (00:13:46):
, he's up three this year. I have to, I have to work.
Speaker 1 (00:13:51):
So when does your guys, do you do, do you do calendar year to calendar year sort of deal? Or do you do a season to season? How do you do it?
Speaker 2 (00:13:59):
So we do a, a spring. So we work off of migrations. You know you, your fish usually come in the same time every spring and roll out the same time. Every spring. We have certain dates tides we like to follow that coincide with sunup, sundowns, you know so it, it's not necessarily a specific date, you know, we wait for certain water temperatures. Like on the beach here, if I can get 50 degree water temperature, 55 degree water temperature, I'm starting to soap bait, you know, and then you, you know, the fishery that's around you. So we have the whole Chesapeake Bay side over there. So we know when those fish have swam past the beach and entered the bay, you know, to start their spawn. And we know when they're coming back outta the, the bay to swim, back up the beach.
Speaker 2 (00:14:52):
So we can kind of target that by knowing what we know on the Bayside. So it's not in the spring, the fish aren't always there. They're swimming past us to go spawn and then they're gonna turn around and swim back. So it's really important to know year after year what those times are. You know, you'll, for us, that first three, three weeks of that first three weeks of March is a good time to start your black drum fishing. And you'll stay on Black drum up until mid-April. Mid-April comes around and you wanna start changing your bats up so you can catch Black Drum or striper. Mm-Hmm. Mid-April through mid-May. You're just on fire with striper red drum and black drum. Yes. So,
Speaker 1 (00:15:36):
Well, you guys jumped ahead on a good answer there. Geez. But I mean that piece, right. No, it's good you did because you know, it shows me, and I think anyone else listening to this and or watching it, it's so important to know your timelines and having notes or going something to go back to and say, Hey look, on this date of last year, this week was hot. The year before it wasn't, but it was this. Yes.
Speaker 3 (00:16:03):
Yep. We track it, track those
Speaker 2 (00:16:05):
Dates, we track it just like that. So we, we, we have days that repeat every year within a couple days of that particular date. It's not always that date because moon cycles, tide cycles never, you know, go date to date like that. But within those dates, you know, a couple days before or after, they seem to click off for us pretty well.
Speaker 1 (00:16:27):
Yep. So there you go. Everybody seriously, you write it down , you can't remember, write it down. Hell make a Facebook memory. It's so much easier to go that route. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:16:39):
You know, believe it or not Facebook memories are great 'cause we'll be sitting around and then a memory will pop up and we'll be like, oh yeah, we didn't write this one down. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:16:47):
Well, and there's apps too. I have an app that tracks down every time you, like. When I catch one, you could upload your picture, gives you the location where you called it within each. And so I use that app too as well.
Speaker 1 (00:17:01):
Which one are you using?
Speaker 3 (00:17:04):
Let me look now the name.
Speaker 1 (00:17:05):
That's fine. Have at it. I mean, I, I, for me personally, I'll even use Phish rules. 'cause They updated the app. I wanna say it was a year or two ago, but they updated it where you sign in, you can actually log your species that way and it'll give you the G p s coordinates and all that, which is kind of cool. But yeah,
Speaker 3 (00:17:23):
There's a few to do this. That's Fish and Deluxe? Yeah, just, it's just Phish and Deluxe. That's what the name of the app is. And as soon as I cashed that Phish and log it in, it gets all the coordinates and everything and it, the dates. And I could put notes and track 'em that way.
Speaker 1 (00:17:40):
See the notes, see if I was a hacker mm-hmm. , I wouldn't be going for people's banking information, I'd be going for people's
Speaker 3 (00:17:49):
.
Speaker 1 (00:17:51):
What'd you catch? When, what were you using? What was, what was the tide? What you Oh, that's okay, cool. Got it. .
Speaker 3 (00:17:57):
Yeah. But you know, ed, you could have all that information, but a lot of the time it's saying that, I mean, that's really, you need that information, but it's time, the time you put in. We've sat there, we've gone Fridays and up to Sundays and just fished it up, came home, showered and turned right back around and just spent a lot of time to get a one nice fish. Mm-Hmm. or, so it's, a lot of it is, it's being patient, it's fun, just enjoying the time out there.
Speaker 2 (00:18:26):
Yeah. We get a lot of people that come up to us that see us on Facebook or Instagram more. Mostly they see her and want to come see her, you know, 'cause she's more out there than I am. But they always ask the same question, how do you do it? You know? And it's like we put our time in, you know, she, the first year we started Red Drum fishing on the surf, she caught a 54 inch red drum. All my life of fishing, I've never caught a fish remotely close to that. Right. And that was our first year surf fishing. It took me eight years to put a big red drum on the beach. So it, it doesn't just happen. It's a lot of time. It's a lot of heartbreak, a lot of big sharks before you can get to that trophy. But once you catch one, you kind of start getting a feel for where you're casting re the better you get at reading the beach, the better you get at knowing your tides. You know, there's a lot to know with these tides because every tie, every high tide's not the same. And every low tide's not the same. The and the fall is different. So you, you really need to know your tides. And it's just a matter of learning all that. And then you get progressively better. But it, like I said, it took me eight years before I put my first big red on the beach.
Speaker 1 (00:19:37):
And Mildred rocks a 50 plus. You mean, come on.
Speaker 3 (00:19:42):
She was changing. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (00:19:44):
She would put one on the beach every single year and I would catch the stingray
Speaker 1 (00:19:50):
. Well, congratulations
Speaker 3 (00:19:53):
On catching the unicorn. I didn't wanna leave that day. Mm-Hmm. Yes. I, I made them stay that day. The boys were tired sleeping. And I just remember I was not leaving. I just, I wanted a big fish mm-hmm. . And it was midnight raining and I got my 54 in .
Speaker 2 (00:20:08):
Yeah. It was one of the nasty weather fishes.
Speaker 1 (00:20:10):
Yeah. Oh dude. Those are like Cinderella stories for those ones. It's it, and it never fails. It's when you're out there in the worst conditions, that's something happens and you're like, that was not planned. I was just, it just happened.
Speaker 2 (00:20:23):
Yep. Those are the best fish too. Those are the best fish. When you get out there with that rough water on that surfing, you try and put a big fish like that on a beach, you really, you're really testing your shoulders, arms back and tackle.
Speaker 1 (00:20:36):
Yeah. That's where your skill really comes into the game. Especially with drag manipulation. And I mean, I
Speaker 3 (00:20:41):
Was just gonna gonna say that. Yes.
Speaker 1 (00:20:43):
Yeah. I'm, I'm guilty of it. I, I love the idea of, Hey, I'm gonna lock this down and you're coming in. Yeah. That's a great way to lock it down and lose the fish. not
Speaker 3 (00:20:53):
Good.
Speaker 2 (00:20:54):
Well, some of our
Speaker 3 (00:20:55):
Technique, you're right about that.
Speaker 2 (00:20:56):
Some of our heavier tackle that we use when we're cast in 12 and 14 ounce sinkers, you know, you're out there in five to seven foot, you know, breakers on the surf. It can, you gotta use a lot of weight, the whole bottom. So you, we we're running poles with 50 to 60 pound braid on 'em. Then I'm running 80 pound shock liter. 'cause You're the rough water really intensifies how much bigger that fish is because now you're fighting the draw from the current and, and, and everything that's working against you from that rough, stormy water. Examples last two weeks ago, we did an overnight trip in Tte, Maryland, and she hooked a butterfly rate. It probably went a hundred twenty five, a hundred fifty pounds. Took her probably about a hour and a half to put that thing on the beach, hooked in the wing. And she was fishing a pin slammer, a 6,500 with 60 pound braid on it. And I had that drag so tight where it was literally pulling her down the beach. So you can, you can, with the tackle we had today, you can put a lot of weight on these fish with this tackle, but you're gonna work for it.
Speaker 1 (00:22:03):
Well, like you said, that that current is real. I mean, that, that, that's a big body of water moving a lot of wa and a lot out every six hours. So Yeah. You guys aren't joking about that. What has been one let's see here. You nailed some good ones. I don't know if, I don't know if you're gonna have a different one for this. Has there been a craziest or favorite catch?
Speaker 3 (00:22:22):
I guess for me the, my favorite catch was last year we, was it last year? Last year? Yeah. We had a northeastern,
Speaker 2 (00:22:29):
We had that hurricane that came up, but by the time it got to us, it was a Northeastern.
Speaker 3 (00:22:33):
Yeah. And we went out there, it was us and another couple, and we were sitting in, up in the domes and they were, we were fishing and I decided to walk. I saw a spot that I liked better . It was nice water, a lot of whitewash. So I left them, the, the crew And I walked probably like a hundred feet
Speaker 2 (00:22:52):
Or about a hundred feet,
Speaker 3 (00:22:53):
Sit down. And I set my stuff up, up there and waited and, and got real caught a really nice 47 inch bedroom. And I was just stoked
Speaker 2 (00:23:03):
. Now that was one of those days where it was blowing 35, 40 mile an hour. The drive ons to the beach were closed down. Yes. There was nobody out there because the beaches were washing over, literally around your truck. Yes. So where the beach is, you couldn't even stand on the beach. We're standing on top of a dunes fishing. Yes. So when you're casting against the east wind with 12 ounce sinkers, you're lucky if you get 50 yards.
Speaker 3 (00:23:27):
I wasn't far
Speaker 2 (00:23:28):
At all. So where Hearst Sinker was landing, it's where Sun Bathers are usually laying on the beach. That's,
Speaker 3 (00:23:32):
I was using 12 ouncers. So it's,
Speaker 2 (00:23:35):
People think when it's rough like that, you know, you're not gonna catch nothing. But we've done it time and time again. And last year was just epic because she hooked into that 47 inch red drum and, and you know, you got seven footers breaking on the beach, rolling up over the dunes.
Speaker 3 (00:23:49):
And like you said, that's her technique. You know, I had to at that point just calm down and breathe and just let the waves help me bring her in. 'cause She was very close and she knew she was closed. So she fought me. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:24:03):
And yeah, the waves can be your friend. The waves can be your friend if you're
Speaker 3 (00:24:07):
Or your enemy. Yeah. If you don't have a good technique. ,
Speaker 1 (00:24:12):
You said something really great and we're, we're gonna knock on a paycheck real quick, but I definitely, I I wanna bring that up because no one else has really brought this point to the, to the podcast really. I don't think ever. But we're gonna talk about it here in a second.
Speaker 4 (00:24:28):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (00:24:35):
Oh, it is your first paycheck of the episode. Hopefully you are catching a bunch of fish and things are going really well for you. And it's the best day ever. That's what I always hope for. 'cause That's what the greatest thing is. This paycheck's being brought to you by Ninja Tackle. Head over to ninja tackle va.com and oh, I don't know, find yourself a new fishing rod. Yeah, buddy. The dagger seven footers. Love 'em for the kayak. Love it for the inshore. Love it for the surf. Love it for the boats. I love it all in general. That's seven footer is one of my favorite rods to throw all the way from seven up to 13 foot Great rods. Great stuff. Matt has really done some amazing things with these rods. If you need reels, hey, he's got 'em in there too. Akio setups, if you're into that kind of spooling throwing, I'm not, that's not my jam.
Speaker 1 (00:25:15):
I'm a spinner guy. Sorry, I can't get into the other ones. I burdened him. If you need rigs, he's got a whole gambit of different style rigs that will work no matter where you're fishing, whatever fishery you're in. Blue fish, red fish, black drum pumps, all of it got you set up. Or if you have firearms and into firearm accessories. Matt's got you covered there too. Ninja tactical. Yep. Optics, Glock accessories, ar accessories. Got it all covered. Ninja va ninja tackle va.com. Yeah, it's good. And he's not far from you guys , he's just up the road a little bit. That's always fun to go back and see him. Alright. So you brought up the calm down. That is one of the hardest things, in my opinion when it comes to fishing, is turning the adrenaline down. That's a hard thing to recover from.
Speaker 3 (00:26:08):
It's have to breathe up and just calm down so you can bring her in. And it,
Speaker 2 (00:26:14):
It really is that, that that first couple minutes or that first minute or so of that hookup is, is so important. You know, because you're, when you're on the beach and you're fishing for these big fish, I'm sure you've seen the posts where fishing poles get drug down the beach into the water and, you know, because somebody had their drag too tight. So we fish a really loose drag. So I see a lot of people, as soon as they catch that fish, they don't crank that drag down because they're scared their line's gonna break. So you gotta have faith in the tackle you're using to be able to crank that drag down to be able to pull that circle, hook back and set it. Because a lot of times these drum, you know, or the stripers or, or the black drum, they're moving so fast that hook's not gonna set itself. You know, you gotta put some weight on that fish. And to be able to do that, you gotta be able to think, you know, you gotta be able to calm down and say, this is what I need to do. Because if you just hold the pole and keep that drag loose, that fish is gonna stop deadness tracks. The hook's gonna fall out and you just missed your fish of a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (00:27:16):
The other piece with drag too heavy as well is, is, and I think I don't know. I'm, I'm gonna speak for people and I shouldn't be because it's my show and I can I think when people crank it down, they also forget that that is still very, very soft. And I mean, I I'm sure y'all have seen that mm-hmm. , how many times have we brought in a fish and it's got itself a nice hole. It's got itself a piercing mm-hmm. , you go hard enough, it's gonna just rip it out and I mean, they're gonna be okay. It'll heal, but you can't, you gotta be careful with that tube. It's an easy thing to forget mm-hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:27:48):
. So that's kind of a double-edged sword for me because on the one thought, I don't wanna be hard on the fish and rip its jaw part. That's why I'm, I'm very careful when I unhooked these fish on the beach, but at the same time, on these big trophy fish, I want to get 'em in as fast as I can, get 'em on the beach, get my pitcher and get it back in the water as fast as I can to minimize the amount of stress I put on 'em. So yeah, it's kind of a double-edged sword there. That's, you know, it, it goes with the hooks we use. I like to use a eight oh to a 10 oh hook. So I know I'm getting around that jawbone rather than just in the skin, you know? So it's in a perfect world, I'd love to hook everyone in the jaw and not put that big hole in there. But it's, that's, that's part of, that's part of it, you know, so you, you trying to do everything you can, not too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (00:28:38):
Well, all right, let's move into these last three and we'll get you into the fun part of getting out some knowledge here. What would be a bucket list fish that you want to catch?
Speaker 3 (00:28:48):
For me, it's a harvin.
Speaker 2 (00:28:50):
Yeah. For me, I'm still trying to get my first big, big bucket, Kobe. I'm still trying to get my first big coia,
Speaker 1 (00:28:57):
The shiny monster and the tasty morsel. Wow. Okay guys. Yeah. Interesting.
Speaker 2 (00:29:03):
Now our son, our youngest son is COIA. He, he's good with the coia. He, when he comes down, he jumps in the boat and he can go out and catch Coia. Me and him have had some really interesting days out in the ocean on the boat, but I, I, I can get him to come up and look at my mullet with that big eyeball, but they won't eat it. But my son, he, he gets on them.
Speaker 1 (00:29:25):
Is it just me or does it seem like there are certain people that just have that magical touch that they just touch the rod and that fish is going to eat? It's like, I, I can't, I can't touch a rod to catch one .
Speaker 3 (00:29:40):
Actually most of my fish, it is just, I've seen very little variations on the movement of the rod and I've gone and picked it up and just with patience, just being patient and slowly rail it in and I'm hooked. So
Speaker 2 (00:29:57):
I will say, I, I grew up with the mindset. It's a fish can't hook himself. I don't want him, it's just, when you're big fish fishing, that's how you look at it. You know, the fish is
Speaker 3 (00:30:05):
Not me.
Speaker 2 (00:30:06):
The fish is gonna come eat that whole bunker and swim off or that whole crab and swim off or whatever I'm using. So that's the mentality I grew up with. She has put so many big fish on the beach just by, just by watching irregularities in our rod hips. Yeah. Now, you would never think a 40, 50 pound fish would be so delicate on a piece of bait, but, but they really are. Sometimes they'll go walk, they'll swim up to that bait and just plant themselves and just sit there and suck on it, chew on it. And you know, most people would never even think twice about touching that fishing pole. She sees that little irregularity. And you always have a certain movement with the waves, with the current of your fishing pole. And you know, you that it's a, it's a steady movement. So when you see that irregularity, you're kind of like, okay, what is that? You know, I'm standing there saying, okay, roll over. She's going to pick the pole up and plan with it. And she hooks the fish. So I, I, I, me and my friends have watched her time and time again, walk up to a pole and we all say air. She goes again, .
Speaker 1 (00:31:06):
. Okay. That's really funny. So, wow, Mildred. Okay. So a little bit of just an, a little ir irregularity, huh. And I, dude, I think you're right Charles. I really do think you're right, Charles on that, it's like the red sit there and just mm-hmm. It's yummy. They just slurp on it, man.
Speaker 3 (00:31:25):
Yeah,
Speaker 1 (00:31:25):
Yeah. It's not even fair. It's like, can you just grab it and walk a little? Let me know you're there. That I'll give a little pull, but, that is so cool that you were able to catch onto that Melvin. That's, that's, that's dedication right there to catch onto that
Speaker 3 (00:31:38):
Staring at that raw tip . Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:31:43):
That okay. That I'm feeling like super, I'm looking at my, my brain is going back to times I've seen the rod just do this and I'm all No, no, it's nothing there. It's something stupid bait fish. My luck is probably a freaking 50 inch red just going, ha ha mine Your biggest
Speaker 3 (00:31:57):
Fish. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:31:59):
Actually her, her big fish one we were talking about in the beginning, that 54 inch red drum that was on a night where it was a oct, one of our dates, it was October 2nd, 2010. And it was a night where it was raining God raining heaven and earth pouring down 25, 30 mile an hour winds hard west wind at our backs. So the waves were standing up crashing probably four or five seconds in between them. I didn't wanna leave.
Speaker 3 (00:32:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:32:25):
And it was cold. The boys were sleeping in the bed at the truck and she didn't wanna leave. She wanted that red drum. And I'm like, man, I'm ready to get the hell outta here. You, we got 12 ounces of weight on every single pole. And every single pole was just rocking up and down with every blasted a wave. And she had one nine foot pole out there that was just standing straight up in the air and was not moving at all. And that's when she said, you know what, I'm gonna get outta the truck and check that pole. And that was her personal best red drum
Speaker 1 (00:32:56):
Little slack line. Mm-Hmm.
Speaker 2 (00:32:58):
. Yep. Yes. Oh no, it was, it was, it was tight line. It just swam down the beach and laid
Speaker 1 (00:33:04):
Against. So it changed the direction on you. Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:33:06):
Yep. Yes. So it just laid up against the beach and just sat there and was eating and that. Hmm. And and it's crazy because you, you don't think about these big reds staying stationary and that heavy surf, that heavy surf is moving, you know, and, and them fish will, they will really sit there in that heavy surf and just sit there stationary.
Speaker 1 (00:33:24):
So you, you bring up a really cool thing. 'cause I noticed this this year. And it was really, it was a baby set. It was all whiting. It was really what it was. But they were sitting in the ripple, in the ridges there right up on the surf line, you know where the undertow normally does, its pull and it does the ripples as you walk. And these whole school of baby whiting were basically just chilling. And every time the wave went back, they weren't getting swept, they weren't moving. And you know, the small fish like that, you'd expect it to get swept the current. They just knew, Hey, it's gonna go over me. And they just laid there. They could breathe obviously, and they were picking up fleas. But that gave me the wonder too of, well, how many other fish are behind the bar or sitting where the crasher is because it's getting the feet up, it's getting the piece and they're not affected. They're just good ride here
Speaker 2 (00:34:14):
Eating . So you, one of the guys we fish with is an older gentleman named Gene. And he's probably pushing 80 years old. So, and he's a local legend around here, caught tons of huge fish. And when, you know, he can't cast like he used to or fish like he used to, but he still gives raw hell. And this year he probably put more fish on the beach than anybody. All because he can't cast as far as everybody else. So all of the big reds, the big stripers, the big black trunk he caught were right on that drop off right at the break. And he probably put more fish on the beach than anybody this year. 'cause He was fishing so close to the beach. You, when you're casting, you naturally want to show everybody how far you can cash. You know, you're gonna heave that thing out as far as you can get it. It's just human nature. Yep. , . It's just human nature. So if you can dial it back and fish that beach edge, you know, you, you, and that's part of the reason why she, I say yeah, she catches a lot of fish because she fishes that beach edge. I'm trying to go far, I'm trying to hit the ledge
Speaker 1 (00:35:18):
. So to prevent that exact problem, I, I had to do something that is, it's happening more here. And that's thanks to Tony Fia Fish gum. He created the runt rod series that he's done. And it's this short little rod and it's perfect. It forces you to fish in the first 50 feet because you can't honk, you can't hnk and chunk it out there. You have to stay close. And the amount of fish that we all overcast is ridiculous because we do, we overcast so many schools just laughing at us. Yes,
Speaker 2 (00:35:55):
Yes. They're coming close. Yeah. What I'll do is, what I do a lot to reign myself in is I'll stand up on top of the beach and cast, instead of walking down to the water's edge, I'll stand up where my rod holders are and cast from there. So I keep myself from over casting and I, I, she throws spinning reels. I throw conventional, so my conventionals Oh, okay. To cast them, you really gotta put a meat in a little bit of effort into every cast just to launch it out there. So you're always gonna kind of get a further cast than you would with a spinning reel. So I'll, I'll back myself up on the beach so I'm not overcasting. I can still cast far, but I'm not overcasting 'cause I'm standing up higher on the beach.
Speaker 1 (00:36:35):
Yeah,
Speaker 2 (00:36:36):
Smart. And we That's smart. We run heavier equipment. Yeah. And we run heavier equipment because we typically like rough water, we like rough water, we like wind. I, I love a three to four foot break on the beach. Give me a 20 mile an hour wind with plenty of white suds. So yes, that's what we're fishing. So we're usually running anywhere from six to 10 ounces of weight. So, you know, we have to run these bigger rods.
Speaker 1 (00:37:01):
Definitely makes sense. And yeah, it sounds like you guys like the old stormy stuff, eh, and it works. I mean, you're living proof. It works.
Speaker 2 (00:37:10):
Yeah. I, I hear Noreastern and I'm like, yeah, let's go fishing
Speaker 1 (00:37:14):
. Hey. And more than likely you got the beach to yourself too, which isn't a bad thing.
Speaker 2 (00:37:21):
Yes, yes, yes. It's just us and the other guys know that, know about it.
Speaker 1 (00:37:26):
Well played. Well played. Alright. Where would be a dream place that you want to go? Fish?
Speaker 2 (00:37:32):
Go ahead.
Speaker 3 (00:37:32):
I can't think of one I like right here,
Speaker 2 (00:37:35):
. I I, we, we are in this sweet spot. We got the Chesapeake Bay, we got the Eastern shore. I, you know, I I I just can't think of any place I'd rather be,
Speaker 1 (00:37:44):
Dude, that's so great you guys. I love that. I absolutely do. I I don't know if you're gonna be able to top your earlier parts here, but I'll ask it. What has been your favorite fishing memory?
Speaker 2 (00:37:56):
My favorite fishing memory is on our youngest son's 18th birthday. Okay. Said, what do you want to do? And at this time we were trying to still get him his first Kobe. And so we off our beach here, five miles off the beach, we have a place called Blackfish Banks. There's like 140 something subway cars out there. So it's just me and him. We go out there and I always keep two poles rigged for Kobe. One with a pink bucktail and one with a bait hook for a live lining. Always go out with fresh spot, live mullet or live spot. We get about six miles off the beach. We're out there drifting for flounder. And I'm looking back at the beach and I see this big wall of white just come outta water instinctively. I'm thinking that's a man Ray. And my son says the same thing.
Speaker 2 (00:38:42):
And I know that Kobe had loved to swim with Man Ray. So we reel everything up and beeline it to the, where we saw this fish at. And sure enough, it was a man Ray as big as our boat is just gigantic and had three huge Kobes swimming right on its back. Oh. So my son, I said, grab that bucktail, pitch it over there. And he pitches it over there and it lands right on top of that man Ray. Man Ray didn't budge. So he pulls, it, pulls the bucktail off the bucktail. It's a four ounce bucktail, so it goes straight down really fast. All three Kobe and unison roll off of his man ray's back. And it was just the coolest thing you see, as soon as they rolled off that back at 47 inch and went down and ate, ate his bucktail. And it was just a fight of his life. So that was, that was his first Kobe. And just the way we found it, saw it experienced. It was just to this day, one of the coolest things I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (00:39:33):
Wow. Yeah. That would be awesome.
Speaker 2 (00:39:38):
It, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (00:39:40):
. All right. Mildred, you got one?
Speaker 3 (00:39:43):
I do actually, I have I, last year I was fishing. I took a week off work and I, I fished every day. I was out there sunrise to sun. It passed on down.
Speaker 2 (00:39:57):
It was her mission to go out and catch a solo trophy red drum.
Speaker 3 (00:40:00):
Yes. And I did, at the last tail end of the vacation, I, I was exhausted. I, I I got tired. I was reeling in so many skates and sharks and just fighting through a lot of other fish. And I ended up hooking a, a nice drum hands up at the end of the camp by myself. And it was nice.
Speaker 2 (00:40:21):
She got the trophy red drum, beached it by herself, got her own picture and released it by herself and, you
Speaker 3 (00:40:27):
Know, quickly too.
Speaker 2 (00:40:28):
Yeah. No greater feeling.
Speaker 3 (00:40:30):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:40:30):
So that was our first time ever landing one solos.
Speaker 3 (00:40:34):
Yeah. I was excited. .
Speaker 1 (00:40:36):
I bet. I mean, I can only imagine.
Speaker 2 (00:40:40):
I can go through my brain and, and just find so many Yeah. Beautiful memories of just things we've seen. Whether it be it going out talk fishing in November and having a school bus size whale pop up next to the boat or the, the giant 500 pound sea turtles or, you know, we've actually had tarpon out here one year we were shark fishing in a school bunker and got ran off by a big five, six foot long tarpon, which is a rarity off of our beach here. But nonetheless, amazing to see, you know,
Speaker 1 (00:41:11):
That had to have been. Yeah. And you've, like you said, you've been a life. You, you've been a lifelong angler and you guys have been doing this stuff together since you, I mean, hell you said 2010. So, I mean, there's probably a little bit more time in there. You guys have been doing this together.
Speaker 3 (00:41:24):
We've been 23 years. 23 years. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:41:27):
Rock stars. Way to go. Good job, man. See you guys been together this long and fishing together since the beginning. Y'all have had to. I mean, you've seen so many great things and you've built so many memories and that's phenomenal guys. I mean, kudos. Bravo every other good word. Thank That's amazing. Great job. Thank
Speaker 2 (00:41:50):
You. I love it. Thank you. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (00:41:53):
Well, we've been going here for, oh my goodness, we're coming up on 42. So we're gonna do another paycheck and then we're gonna get into the knowledge piece. So let's kick into that.
Speaker 1 (00:42:08):
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Speaker 2 (00:42:59):
So like I said, like right now we're preparing for a fall red drum run that usually kicks off mid-September, early September. So right now our water temperatures are running anywhere between, you know, on the beach front. You're probably looking at 70, 75 degrees right now in water temp. I like to see that water temp drop down a little bit. I'd like to be about 65, 60 degrees in that water temp. I want to see a steady dose of northeast wind coming at us real soon to bring some cooler water down. That'll, we get that cooler water down from up north that'll start triggering these schools. A big red drum to start coming into the beach more. So I'm looking for some cooler weather. I'm looking for some extreme high tides. I I want the beach to flood out a little bit and it's gonna turn stuff over real nice and get some fresh, fresh fresh sandbars, some fresh structure going on.
Speaker 2 (00:43:51):
So you know, this, this first couple weeks of September is what I'm hoping to kick off, but we'll, we'll watch the weather. It looks like it's gonna stay warmer a little longer, longer, so it, it might not kick off till, you know, third or fourth week in September. So it's, it's really about finding 'em cool spots. As you know, September approaches we'll do a lot more nighttime fishing. Big red drum at night always seems to be the best. So if you can get them really cool evenings before and after a full moon, that's, that's what we're looking for. So this, this full moon we got coming up last week of August, first week of September, we will start hitting out pretty hard then to just get a feel for what's out there and, you know, see where we're at now to give us a good inclination of what's coming at us. And when,
Speaker 1 (00:44:36):
When you've already, all right, so you got the plan there. Now how do you pick your spot to fish?
Speaker 2 (00:44:42):
So that goes back to wanting the beach to flood out a little bit. So with this full moon we got coming up the end of August, beginning of September, what's gonna happen is we're gonna get five, five and a half foot rises in the tide and that's gonna roll over the beach and pull all that sand off at a beach and start creating structure out there. So you really want to be out there some time at low Tide to take a look at the beach. You can see where the bars have formed, the deep spots, the low spots, and, and that's kind of what you wanna look for. 'cause If you go out there high tide when it's rough, you're just gonna see whitewater everywhere. You really can't tell where the bars and stuff are. So you we're gonna spend a little time driving around just looking at low tides, seeing where everything's at and you know, we'll write down the coordinates. She has a thing on her phone where she'll write down coordinates to where we see something that looks nice and, and then we'll go sit on those spots. And even while we're sitting on those spots, if we see something that looks good 75 feet away, we're throwing everything on a truck and moving down. We have a market. Yeah,
Speaker 1 (00:45:49):
The, that's smart. The, that's, I don't, I don't mean to say this in the most mean way, but I mean this to the best way to all the listeners here, doing your intel gathering is key. Yes. You wanna be successful, you go get Intel first before you fish.
Speaker 2 (00:46:05):
Yes. And, and, and you can learn so much on YouTube. Like I I, when we first got into this, I, I was a YouTube freak. I was on it all the time learning how to read the beach, learning how to tie drum rigs. So it's not something you just, you're born knowing you have to learn from somewhere. You know, a lot of the guys from the beach, there's some really good people out there, but they're not gonna give you all their information 'cause they want to catch those fish to Right. So they're not gonna give you everything they know. They'll give you enough to go out there and be dangerous and hopefully not catch the fish he's looking for. So it's, you, you wanna do a lot of research, you wanna learn how to read that beach and go out there prepared. When we have people that come up to us and you can tell they're prepared, you can tell by the rigs they have the, the, the equipment they're using and just the way they're talking about what they're doing and they ask for a couple tips, that's fine. But you know, you have a lot of people come out there to just stop the debate shop on the way out, bought two nine foot surf, and they pull right up next to you and say, Hey, what do I gotta do? Well, I'm not gonna tell you everything . You know
Speaker 1 (00:47:09):
What you gotta do is start over again,
Speaker 2 (00:47:11):
Research and learn. Yeah. It's, it's, yeah. So research is, research is key. It's fundamental.
Speaker 1 (00:47:20):
If, if you wanna be successful in anything, you gotta learn it. And this is, you know, even this conversation piece, I mean, I picked up already a great couple things from you guys just for this that I know I'd use here. I know I'd use it up there in Virginia when I come up. But that's, yeah, you have to be willing to invest yourself in the knowledge piece. You know, if, if you think you know it all already, then okay, then teach us. If you, if you are the grand monkey, king pah, cool. We're all for it. Just teach us then. But there's always something you can learn to be better
Speaker 3 (00:47:51):
All
Speaker 2 (00:47:51):
The time. I, I learn stuff all the time. I, I never stop learning and, and you know, you can learn so much by paying attention. You know, like when we first started doing this, we would go out on the beach. I know from my years of fishing that you don't just like people coming up and asking you for all the information you took years to acquire. Right? So you can sit on a beach and just watch other people fish. You can see where they're casting, you can see what they're throwing. You can see the equipment they're using and you don't have to ask 'em a single question. You can just sit there and watch and, and you can learn so much by doing that. And, and you know, for me and, and guys we fish with, they appreciate that a lot more because they see us sitting there investing some time and, and not just coming out casting over their lines. You're actually sitting there trying to pick up what they're laying down.
Speaker 1 (00:48:39):
There's always that one too. It's like, can you stop casting over me? We're gonna have problems real soon. .
Speaker 2 (00:48:47):
Yeah. We got plenty of that.
Speaker 3 (00:48:48):
We have, yes we do.
Speaker 2 (00:48:50):
And you know, you, we don't ever let something like that ruin our day. It's too much of a happy place. It's, you know, smile and go on your way. It's okay. You know, tell 'em, try cashing to your left a little bit, use a heavier sink or whatever. You just try not to let it get to bestie and don't ruin your day. 'cause You just let somebody's trying to have a good time. Yeah. Ruin your day then. You obviously weren't there for a good time. Anyway.
Speaker 1 (00:49:14):
Alright, so you've nailed into the pieces with the spot and we're gonna, let's talk about the gear, but we're also gonna talk a co a couple different things here. You've already really discussed into the moon phase. You brought up the full moon being a primary there. What else with any other moon phases have you noticed is Yeah, it's okay. Or I don't wanna play with those.
Speaker 2 (00:49:33):
So at peak full moon we don't do very good at the peak full moon, it's to put before and after of the full Moon. It seems to be the best for us. So, so that peak full moon, just something about it, it doesn't seem to produce, but that before and after of the full moon is just the cat Meow.
Speaker 1 (00:49:51):
Nice. Okay. So void the full. All right. Now you, oh, go ahead. I'm sorry. Mild.
Speaker 3 (00:49:59):
No, I was just thinking, I don't, I can't think of any other moon cycle. Yeah,
Speaker 2 (00:50:04):
No.
Speaker 3 (00:50:05):
I had like the wind tide. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50:07):
. I, I hate the full moon. I mean, I could say that, but then, you know, I bring up my buddy Blake, he talks about from real 30 a, he starts talking about full moon. He's like, dude, it's the best fishing ever. And I'm like, I can't catch a fish on a full moon. You, he's got like that magical voodoo, he sprinkles on his rod. I'm like, no, I can't. No. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:50:26):
Yeah. Well, you know, the, the nice thing about a full moon is, is you really don't even need to wear your headlamps. You know, you can be out there in the middle of the night and everything. It's just lit up so beautifully. And, and, you know, the before and the after, once you get that full, full moon out there, it's, it's really just way too much light on the water with the full, full moon. You know? So if you can get the upside or the downside, that's what you're looking for. So if you're going from that small crescent up to the full moon and then back down again, that's really what you're looking for. It's kind of the same principle as, we don't like it when the shark fishermen are out there at night because they're using their big halogen bars or headlamps and it's, it's like a disco out there. So you want as little light on that beach as you can get for what we're targeting.
Speaker 1 (00:51:14):
Right? Mm-hmm. . Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So let's talk about the rigs and the setups there. So you guys, like you said, you're using some big stuff. So talk to me about the rigs that you like to utilize.
Speaker 2 (00:51:27):
So we like to use a fish finder rig. Instead of the actual fish finder, I just like to use swivels. It's a little smaller, a little less restriction on my casting. So it's basically a, a modified fish finder rig. I don't remember what the rigs called. But there's a rig that was popular in North Carolina that they required them to use down there for catching a bull red drum so they wouldn't swallow the hook. And it places the sinker like two inches away from the hook on that fish finder rig. So when the drum eats that fish head or fish body, he has to, it's less likely for him to swallow past that eight ounce sinker, if you know what I mean. So we like to fish a tight fish finder rig. And then on top of that, we also do a single hook dropper loop rig as well. And we can just adjust the height of that dropper loop to get us up or down in the water column a little bit. I've had equal success in the dropper loop rigs. She, she swears by the fish finder rig. So it's really all in preference. And, you know,
Speaker 3 (00:52:31):
And I think the tongue too, because like in the summertime I use shark rigs. Yeah. And, and they're
Speaker 2 (00:52:37):
In, in the summertime she's using a wire rig. Yes. So, and
Speaker 3 (00:52:41):
I catch a drum on that and
Speaker 2 (00:52:42):
She catches drum on them shark rigs as well in the summertime. But if you were to take that same rig out there in the fall, you're not gonna catch a drum. Mm-Hmm. You know, it's, it's in the summertime, the fish are riding up a little higher in the water. They're, they're moving a little faster. And the fall, once that water temperature starts going down, they're riding those down in the sand. So you wanna be tight to the bottom.
Speaker 1 (00:53:03):
You just nailed a super secret rule right there that people don't think about unless they've been fishing a long time. I'm like, I almost don't wanna say anything 'cause I know what you just said and I'm likeit. That's such the don't
Speaker 3 (00:53:14):
Say
Speaker 1 (00:53:16):
Sorry. If y'all want to, if y'all are smart, hit back 30 seconds and listen again. Listen closely. Right. That part right there is easily forgettable for so many anglers. It's way too easy to overlook that one and you're only the second person to talk about that section. The other one was Noel and yeah, he nailed it. I was like, mm-hmm. Not gonna say nothing. I, I, I heard it. I wonder if anyone else did. So. Good point.
Speaker 2 (00:53:48):
You know, a guy who's a really good friend of ours who is showing us, teaching us a lot about the Chesapeake Bayside fishery over there is just a phenomenal captain and fisher. We met him on the beach one day and me and her were just having one of those days where it was black drum after black drum and just everybody on the beach is looking at us saying, man, I wish I was them, you know? And he came up to us and said, what am I doing wrong? And I showed him the rig we were using and, and you, you can tell when people were out there to fish. So I didn't have problem giving this guy information. I showed him the rig I was using, why I was using this type of rig, what I was using for bait and why, what I was using that bait for the reason I used that particular bait. And he took that knowledge, went back to his truck, me and her went home with our limit of fish, then came back out for the night bite and he put seven fish on the beach. Seven big black drum on the beach. So it means a lot
Speaker 1 (00:54:44):
. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:54:46):
And oh,
Speaker 1 (00:54:48):
Nope, nope, nope, nope. I'm leaving it alone. I'm leaving it alone. So let's talk about bait. Yeah. Because you brought it up. What types of bait or lures do you guys like to use?
Speaker 2 (00:54:58):
So on, on the surf, we're all, we're all bait, no lures, unless there's Spanish macro around, then I'll throw a spoon. But for these big fish, we're fishing, all it, it depends on the time of year. So we're approaching our fall right now and the most common bait in the surf is gonna be spot and kingfish. So that's what we're primarily gonna go with. The bait shops are all gonna be selling bunker, but the bunker schools are a mile off the beach. So those drum aren't out there eating those bunker that a mile off the beach. They're in close eating the fish that are at the beach just spotting the kingfish. And it's not the same bait you'll use all year long. So like in the spring, when we first start fishing for the spring is probably my favorite because of the way we go through our bait cycle.
Speaker 2 (00:55:43):
Right. So in March there's not much bait around the crabs haven't come outta the mud yet, but we're ready to catch black drums. So we're gonna start off with sand fleas 'cause they're the first thing that's gonna start coming up in the surf by the middle of March. End of March. The crabs, the blue crabs are starting to come out of the mud and the first crabs you get outta the mud are usually the female souks. Right. And so that's gonna be our first bait to go to in the spring after the sand flea. And that's gonna catch the sand flee. And the souk female blue crabs are gonna catch all of our black drum. By the time we get to the middle of April, we start getting peeler crabs. They start becoming available in the base. So then these fish, the stripers, the black drums start changing their feeding patterns from seeing fleeing souks over to the peeler crab. You would be hard pressed come mid-April to catch anything on anything other than a peeler crab. So then that's when we'll switch to pure crab through the middle of May. And then that pretty much seals our season right there in the middle of May.
Speaker 1 (00:56:49):
One of the cool things that I love that you just brought up, especially with that area, is this bait changes so much in your zone. And there are so many places throughout. I mean, the whole world, it doesn't matter where you live, bait cycles change. What you use today may not work tomorrow. And that's why you really have to know what it was. And you, I love that you brought up the bunker piece. The East Coast. Mm-Hmm. , I'm, I'm originally from New England. I, I'm not a very good angler from up there, so I do not claim to be. However, I do have conversations with people from back there that have, I've listened to that are like, dude, you can't use this at a certain time. You know, you can't just cast out a chunk of mullet and think you're going to catch a blue fish or you know, you can't just use this. You have to know what is prevalent. And I, I cheat. I mean, as soon as I catch a fish and I can keep it, I'm cutting that stomach open and I'm looking for what you got. I mean, and I'm writing it down immediately. Mm-Hmm. , I'm like, I wanna know what you had and I'm going to find more of, actually I'm going to use what you have in your stomach if I can. I've only done that twice, didn't work out. I'll do
Speaker 2 (00:57:57):
It. Yep. So it's, it's really cool because we were talking about, you know, a lot of people don't want to give up too much information. Right. So when we first started this fishery, you know, back in 2010 and we're fishing in the spring and I'm watching all the locals, you know, here just banging up fish. And I'm like, what are we doing wrong? And it took us a few years to figure out the hatch, you know what these fish are starting to feed on what they're feeding on the middle of this run, what they're feeding on at the end of this run. And if you go to the bait shop, they're selling you bunker. 'cause That's the most thing they can get their hands on, is they can get their hands on a ton of bunker. Right. That, but they get peeler crab spotter kingfish. It's really hard to do that early in the season. And we travel for our ba you know, we'll, we'll drive a half hour, hour away to go get our peeler crab in the spring. But to sit on that beach and you don't really think about it. 'cause You hear these big straight bass in the bay and in the ocean, you always think of them eating bunker. Mm-Hmm. . But on our surf, you will never catch a straight bass on bunker. It's only gonna be on er crab and puler crab. Only in the springtime
Speaker 1 (00:58:59):
Knowledge. Oh, all experience. Yep. Look at that . Yeah. Well actually, this ties perfectly into a new question or into your next question then. What do you do when you go fishing in a new place?
Speaker 2 (00:59:11):
Educate ourselves. Educate ourselves. We do a lot of research before we go drive the beach at low tide. Yep. Drive the beach at low tide. We look at fishing reports to see when we want to, to go. So, we'll, we'll most most bait shops who run a website, you'll, you'll be able to go into their archive, you know, their phish reports and you can see year after year when their catches were coming, when they're posting 'em. Now, I don't take that, I learned a long time ago that you don't, you take the dates on the Fishman reports with a grain of salt. Right. So if I see a lot of fish caught two weeks. So Yeah. If I see a lot of fish caught this week, I'm thinking they were caught two weeks ago. Yeah. Right.
Speaker 1 (00:59:51):
. Oh, easily. Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:59:52):
So that's one of the things Yeah. You pick up on that over time. So, so we do a lot of research before we go. Like two years ago we did our first drum tournament down in the outer banks, the N C B B A and a lot of fun great tournament. If nobody's ever done it, it's a great tournament. It's a Newcastle the beach buggy. So North Carolina Beach Buggy Association down in the outer banks. A lot of fun. So we kind of went down there knowing the beaches. We fished there previously, but didn't know the migration pattern the way we knew it up here. Right. So we went down there, we fished for fi, it's a straight on tournament, four days nonstop fishing, sleep in your truck four days nonstop if you can, if you can. And we did. And we went down there and all we caught was sharks, big sharks.
Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
But nonetheless all we caught was sharks. But we looked at all the fishing reports after we were done. And you could see that most of the fish that were being caught were on a certain section of the beach north of us. Right. And me knowing what I know about the Chesapeake Bay, the mouth of the Chesapeake and the Virginia side, I kind of knew where those fish were at in September, in the beginning of October. So I knew they couldn't be that far away from us at the end of October. So this year we're doing the N C B B A and we we're gonna be about maybe 15 miles north of where we were in the last tournament because our research shows that the fish are a little further north than they are where the tournament's actually being held. You know, the base of the tournament up in that Frisco area. Frisco, Avon. So we're gonna be looking more towards that salvo area.
Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Let's see that piece right there, knowing what's happens at yours and then combining it. 'cause That's mean what probably 80 miles, maybe four, four
Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Hours away. Four or five hours.
Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Yeah. So is the crow down no longer
Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
In that straight four, five hour? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Yeah. Yeah. So just that distance alone straight down. And knowing that, I mean, that piece right there with that migration, that's huge. I mean, you, you can't Yeah. You can't just pull that out. That is time invested in research right there.
Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Absolutely. Absolutely. It takes both of us.
Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Mm-Hmm. teamwork .
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
Yep. Yep. Oh, that's it. She'll sit down and it, she'll sit down and study right with me. ,
Speaker 1 (01:02:14):
You guys are so great. I love this about you guys. Alright. Ooh, I didn't ask one question actually. You, you already talked about tides. So you can, we can move into that because that's why I didn't ask about it. How do you adjust the t how do you adjust your tactics for fishing when the bite isn't on fire?
Speaker 2 (01:02:32):
So it's one of those things when you're, you're fishing for big fish on the beach, you're never gonna be on fire. Right? You're, you're never gonna have more than an hour or two of really active fish feeding. You know, you're, you're looking at feeding time. So when we go out to the beach, we're looking for the last two hours and the first two hours of the top or bottom of any tide, it doesn't matter. I would like to match 'em up with a sunset, sunrise, or a sunset. But that middle of the day in between the fishing, we're gonna pack up, we're gonna go throw a cast net, we're gonna go sit somewhere where we can catch some small fish and, and, and get ourselves prepared for the bigger guy. Sit down, fire up the grill, eat some lunch or whatever, tie some rigs and get ready for that sundown or sun up. You know. So it's, it's really take advantage of those slow times to get you ready for that hour burst when it comes. 'cause When it comes, it's a blast. But you better be ready. 'cause If your tackle's not on point, you're gonna walk away crying.
Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
I was just thinking about it makes me sad, but dude, you're right. I mean that midday bite, it's not fun. I mean, you, you lightning strikes, don't get me wrong. It always does, but it's just not that fun.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
No, no. We've caught fish midday before. And but that, that sunrise, sunset, really the sunrise and sunset's the best. But for us, between 10:00 PM 2:00 AM in the morning, that is just that golden time. We love to be at there. That's always seemed to be the best. It matching with the rise or, you know, matching with the top or bottom of a tide.
Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
It's like you got the triangle. I mean, you got the sunrise, midnight and sunset. Nighttime. I'll be the first one to say it. Nighttime's one of my favorites to fish at nighttime. You, there's some cool things that happen swimming by at night that people are like, oh, I'm not gonna go out there. I'm like, there's, there's big fish , there's real big fish.
Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
It, it can, it can be pretty hairy. 'cause We like to release our fish. We like to swim 'em, you know, we like to get them fish out there and swim 'em before we release 'em. And when you got, you know, three to four or five to seven breaking on that beach and you're out there and it's cold and you got your chest waders on, it can be really scary. 'cause You hear about the horror stories of people getting their waders filled up and sucked out. But the pride I put in releasing that fish means so much that I'm gonna risk going out there a little bit and releasing this fish. So there's not a time I don't go out there that's not in the back of my head. And, you know, being very cautious, it can be very scary.
Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Well good on you for making sure that you take care of yourself there. 'cause Yeah. That, that's, that is a, that's a true situation. We've heard it, you, you and I, all three of us, we've heard those horror stories. They're, they're scary for that.
Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Yeah. You had that guy that drowned in the outer banks about two years ago down in the point. He was a local from around here and he was just trying to beat a red drum. And you know, our beaches, like the outer banks beaches, you get some spots where it's just a straight drop off. You know, you walk down the sand, you hit the waves and then it just drops straight off. And we have to think that's what happened to him. You know, he walked down there lipped that fish or whatever and he just went straight down and waiters filled up. So it, it can happen at any time. You, no matter how experienced or how good you are, it's gonna happen and fast. You better be ready. You take every, take, every precaution you can. And you know as well as I do, you you, you can't prevent everything.
Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
Nope. You can just try. It's the risky thing. That's the best you can do.
Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
Yep. Well we've been going here for one hour and we're into the last section here, the closing questions. So before we do that, we gotta do the final paycheck and get you guys outta here.
Speaker 1 (01:06:18):
Man. It's been fun so far. I have had a ton of fun. I got a bunch of notes and you know, a couple mental ones for me. Hopefully you all have as well. And you've been catching all done Fish and Dallas set now if you hadn't, hopefully you've moved and changed up bait. 'cause You know, that's kind of the easy things to do when you're having a bad day. Just change it up a little bit. This final paycheck is being brought to you by the Kids Can Fish Foundation, kids can fish.net is a great organization. Getting kids out there fishing and learning and just finally getting outta the house. 'cause It's great. I can't help but say this after stealing it from captain Dave. You know, we've already got the addiction. It's flowing through our veins. But you taking a kid out fishing, you're giving them that new addiction and they're the next generation of anglers.
Speaker 1 (01:07:02):
Kids can fish is taking these kids out and teaching them, throwing cast nets, fishing in the surf, freshwater fishing and all these camps that they go to. These kids walk away with a cast net or a rod in real combo. They're going out there getting the gear so they can go out and continue and have fun. It's not just a borrow thing, but in order to do that, it works through your donations. So anything that you give to Kids Can Fish gets thrown right back into the camp. The running of the Bulls tournament that happens in October every year, all the money from that gets thrown right back into the camps and the foundation for these kids. So everything you can do, hey, it's helping out with that one. And like they always say more tackle boxes, less Xbox, good stuff. Kids Can fish.net.
Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I love that tournament. I love that tournament so much. I'm so excited to get back St. Simons that, but you know, you guys talking about big fish , I'm, I'm going back to St. Simon's Island hoping for a 13 inch red. Again, I, I wanna maintain my, my qual of, you know, king of the smalls. I I I should want a 55 to 60 inch. I want it for my daughter. I would love that. But for me, I'm like, no, I need the tiny one. I don't want the big one most backwards thing ever. Isn't it ?
Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
No, no. I, I, i, I, me myself, I know exactly what you're saying. That's why it took me eight years to put a big fish in a beach. 'cause I spent my time trying to get her and my three boys on big fish, you know, so that, that's where all my time went. I, I really didn't care if I caught a big fish 'cause I grew up around it. I was so satisfied. Anyway, so I, I spent most of my time trying to put my wife and boys on big fish. But it's my turn now.
Speaker 1 (01:08:46):
well learned. Oh, perfect. Alright guys, let's get you these last questions to get you outta here. What knowledge would you give to a brand new angler?
Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
Learn patience and learn. Being patient. Don't, don't don't, don't hesitate to sit there and look, you know, don't, don't just don't think you got, gotta hurry up and get a line in a water to be successful. Most of your success is gonna come from what you learn. So, so take a second to sit back and pay attention to what's going on around you. Look at YouTube videos and, and learn phish patterns. You know, you, you can learn so much just by simple search terms like striper migration or red drum spawning seasons. You know, you can learn that stuff and and really start zeroing yourself in on where you want to be when you want to be there. It's not gonna give you all the information, but you can start developing good ideas on when you need to be thinking about fishing. And like I said, YouTuber's a guy David Moore on YouTube. We fished with him just a phenomenal red drum guide and I watched a ton of his videos and there's just so much to learn just by watching YouTube videos.
Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Perfect. Okay. Mildred, I saw you got the questions there. I'm gonna go ahead and skip the other one 'cause you already answered the for people coming out to that area. You guys already crushed that one. But this one's kind of a fun one. I haven't asked it a bit. What do you think has been a reason for such a surge to surf fishing?
Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Right. Social media. Social media. Social media. I was gonna think social media definitely because when we first definitely down here saying 2010 right, we would be able to go out on this beach and it would be me, her, the boys and maybe four or five other trucks out are on the beach. And the Rangers, the Fish and Wildlife, they would leave us alone. Like when the beach would flood on these extreme high tides, we would back up onto the dunes to keep the trucks outta the water and they would let us do it. But when we started, when Facebook came around and we got on board with it and we started posting our fish to Facebook, now the beaches are so packed that you can't get, you have to be there super early or super late in order to get a spot. And along with that you get a lot of people that are just looking over Facebook and saying, oh man, they caught these red drum yesterday. It's a shoe in, we're going down tomorrow. And they come down. They didn't look at the tides, they didn't look at the moon cycles. The beaches are flooding. They try and drive out, they get stuck. It turns into a big show. And so now the Park Rangers and Wildlife won't even let you onto the beach because of that stuff. So I would say social media has really impacted fishing a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, it's a fair call. And we did it to ourselves.
Speaker 3 (01:11:28):
I mean, it goes both ways too because I do enjoy seeing the families out there that are taking their, I I take time to help 'em out. I, I don't, it, it keeps them away from the iPads from inside. So just going out there enjoying the outdoors and I, I get a joy out of that. Yeah. I'm okay with fishing myself.
Speaker 1 (01:11:50):
I mean, I've said it in every episode that we've all talked. I mean, anyone I've talked to, we talk about kids. I mean, is there anything better than the kids smile after they reel in that fish? It's like de elation honest.
Speaker 2 (01:12:00):
Yeah. Nothing better. No.
Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
I'll never forget it was the dad with two little kids like three years ago. And he was trying, they were on the vacation on vacation and everybody was catching drums. We were catching drum and poor guy couldn't hook one. So I went out there and helped 'em and got 'em tied a rig for them and they, they caught a, a drum. I think they caught two actually. Mm-Hmm. . And and those kids were so happy. They were just jumping happy. They were they came and thanked me 'cause now they got to eat something they never eaten before. So they got to taste the black drum and they put it over our local base shop, captain Steve's. And they gave me a shout out. So that was awesome, I think. Mm-Hmm. stories like that
Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
Definitely is well done. I mean that part right there, I mean, you actually took the time to actually help them and we don't see it a lot, but you do see it. But when you do and they win mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 (01:12:58):
So good. Mm-Hmm. , I'd like to,
Speaker 2 (01:12:59):
Yeah. So, so social media wasn't all bad in that aspect. You know, you got your guys that are coming down thinking they could just catch fish and then you have guys, like she was just talking about that's seen it on social media. It's like, oh wow, that's something I'd like to try with my kids. Right. And they come down and like I said, you see 'em putting the effort in. You see 'em trying and you know, you don't mind helping and you want to see the best for 'em. Yeah. You know, it's nothing better than standing back as somebody who's raised three boys on the beach and watched our boys do it to watch somebody else do it. Yeah. Because the look on a kid's pr face is priceless when they pour a dinosaur onto the beach.
Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
Yeah. And I've connected with a lot of ladies for around from down North Carolina, out of banks that are just getting into fishing or fishing and they wanna do it. And I just help 'em, let 'em know what I'm doing and let them take that knowledge and, and catch fish and, and get into the sport and it always, it makes me feel good about it. So social media could be and bad I guess. Mm-Hmm.
Speaker 1 (01:13:57):
. Yeah. Pick your poison. Right. Alright, last question for you guys, and then we'll get you outta here. What's next for you?
Speaker 3 (01:14:06):
I'm gonna still be chasing that personal best. I can't, I'm not gonna be okay till I catch that 55 inch redrum, but that's, I'm always gonna be chasing a personal,
Speaker 1 (01:14:18):
You caught a unicorn at 50 you caught already. I mean, I would, I don't know what I would, well, I'd trade some stuff for a 50, but to get to a, that bigger, a 55 and up or into the sixties, oh my gosh, man, that, that's goes from unicorn to like
Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
A dream. A dream and, and yeah. Yeah. It's a dream and keeps is
Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
Going. Yeah. Next for me is I, I wanna, I wanna do more tournament fishing. I wanna do, do more tournament fishing with her. I'd like to get a team together and it's, it's hard to find a team of like-minded people like us, you know, that somebody that wants their wife out there or somebody that wants their husband out there, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:14:55):
It's usually all guys team .
Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
Yeah. It's usually guys teams or girls teams. Yeah. So it's hard to find like-minded individuals. So that, that's what I would like to see next is a, is a team and do more tournament fishing.
Speaker 3 (01:15:06):
I agree with that.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
Very cool. Well, I hope you guys can find something like that. But like, you know, like when we opened the episode, I praised you guys very much so, because I love how you are as a couple. My wife and I are very much on the same one. You know, if we start seeing a couple fighting and they're kind of mean to each other, like, yeah, it's been nice snow. You, you know, you slightly start to drift away and it's nothing intentional. It's just, hey, that's your, that's your dynamic. That's, that's not our dynamic. I can't handle that.
Speaker 3 (01:15:35):
No. Yeah. We're very relaxed.
Speaker 2 (01:15:36):
Yeah. We've had friends that we, you know, we really don't mess with much anymore. 'cause All we ever heard from us, we wish we were more like you guys, you know? And that, that to me is, you know, that that doesn't just happen. So I don't wanna hear it. You know, it's a lot of hard work to be like us . It didn't just happen. So
Speaker 3 (01:15:56):
Patience, patience.
Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
Yes.
Speaker 3 (01:15:57):
That's the key for everything.
Speaker 1 (01:15:59):
That's like when I was emailing back and forth with Mildred on this, I was like, Hey, sorry I was on a date with my wife. Let me catch up with you guys a little bit later. I I apologize for that. I
Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Thought that was great. Like Yeah. Hell yeah. Get out there . Yeah. Yes. We do it all the time. We do it all the time. We have dates all the
Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
Time. Yeah. We raised our boys. Our boys have moved out knowing their own careers. So it's just me and her and the cat and yeah. We really enjoy our time. They
Speaker 3 (01:16:22):
Call us and they're like, mom, dad, you guys are always doing something. You guys are we love it
Speaker 1 (01:16:28):
Because we put our time in with you. We love you, but go away.
Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Yes. Write them well out. Bye. Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
. Perfect. Well you guys, thank you so much for being willing to come on the show. Thank you for sharing all this knowledge and information, especially that whole thing. I know you could've said no, but I'm so thankful that you did say yes and I really, I I know I will catch up with you when I get to Virginia. I will find a way. Yeah. I look, I hope that yeah, we can go fishing together because you guys are so much fun. Thanks for having us.
Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (01:16:56):
No problem.
Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
We'd love to have you and your daughter and wife out on the beach. Yes.
Speaker 1 (01:17:00):
Sold. Thank you for having, having it's easy day sold . Yep. Yep. Alright guys, we'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 3 (01:17:06):
All right, thank you.
Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
Oh man, I hope you guys enjoyed that 'cause I really did. And yeah, there's some stuff you should probably have marked on your little notepad of things to listen back to. There was a lot of 'em actually. There wasn't just one or two, there was several. I've had a lot of fun with this. I'm always glad that you're here every week. Hopefully these shows keep bringing you knowledge to help you become a better angler because that is the key of this show. I just want you to go catch more fish. And if you can learn a new way to do it, that's even better. I want you to be able to travel somewhere and be able to go, oh wait, there's an episode on that. Hold up. Let me listen and learn. That way I can take a shot at it. We all learn from each other. And if you can't get on board with that, I'm sorry, but that's how we do it. You be, listen to finding d most surf fishing. I'll see you next time. I'm outta here.