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Want to hear about the worst of the worst movies, but in a fun way? Then this is your show. Join Johnny Krueg (Krueger Nation) and Rik Morgan (Hail Ming Power Hour) as they hit a new level of badness with Kiss Meets the Phantom of the Park. Also we have our good friend Joseph Henson from The Hysteria Continues!
Bad movies, the world is full of them. And only Johnny Krueg and Rik Morgan are brave enough to watch the worst of the worst. From classic failures, to just plain terrible, this is Short Bus Cinema. We love to watch the movies you hate.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Let's do it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Been one short bus all day.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Short. Yes.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gonna see what kind of movie they got
Speaker Rik Morgan: today.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, hello, everybody. Welcome back to another fun
Speaker Rik Morgan: filled adventure as the wheels go round
Speaker Rik Morgan: and round on the short bus.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And I am one of your co hosts,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Mister Rock and roll over Rick Morgan. And I'm
Speaker Rik Morgan: here with my brother, mister God of thunder. What's up?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Johnny Krug, the cat man.
Speaker Rik Morgan: No, not much, dude. Easy, cat man. They are
Speaker Rik Morgan: serious.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, not much. Head along for the ride. Special guest,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Mister Rock and roll all night, party every day. Mister Joseph
Speaker Rik Morgan: Henson. What's up, brother? Oh, not a whole lot.
Speaker Joseph Henson: This, uh, this movie made me feel so unholy.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh. So, yeah, this is, uh, this is
Speaker Rik Morgan: one that I wanted to do because it's
Speaker Rik Morgan: one of those love hate movies. I know this movie is terrible, but it's
Speaker Rik Morgan: one of those events that happens when you're a kid. And even
Speaker Rik Morgan: though you hold your head in shame,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I still kind of love this movie because it is terrible.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Man. And we are talking about kiss meets the
Speaker Rik Morgan: phantom, or if you're an old og, kiss meets
Speaker Rik Morgan: the phantom of the park.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: You know, this, this movie, I had never seen it before,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: watching it this time, but it felt like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: and you, you guys know a lot of the details in the background on this,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: but it felt like they were trying, you know, all the
Speaker Johnny Krueg: parents thought Kiss was this evil rock band, and it felt like they
Speaker Johnny Krueg: put together this movie to say, look, these guys are completely family friendly.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, and like I said, there's a lot to talk about
Speaker Rik Morgan: in this movie. But first and foremost, here's, here's kind of what happened.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, you kind of had this bad karma thing going on with,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, parents saying there are knights in Satan service going
Speaker Rik Morgan: around, but the other side of it is
Speaker Rik Morgan: about, I don't know, a year before,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they had released, Marvel had released the Kiss comics,
Speaker Rik Morgan: where Kiss had superhero powers. Like hearing from their
Speaker Rik Morgan: eye. Well, yeah, I mean, they fought
Speaker Rik Morgan: Doctor doom. I mean, they were legit, you know, superheroes in the
Speaker Rik Morgan: Marvel universe. Oh, geez. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, and Johnny, I mean, to find one of those original comics
Speaker Rik Morgan: is, like, unreal, what it's worth,
Speaker Rik Morgan: because it was printed in kiss blood.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They actually drew some blood and put it supposedly in the,
Speaker Rik Morgan: the red ink. So when you bought a copy, you had some of their blood
Speaker Rik Morgan: mixed in the red ink order. I mean, there was a big promotion thing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You can't even find those comics. They've reissued them, and there was
Speaker Rik Morgan: two of them, and they combined them together. But that was such a big hit.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I guess that's what really started
Speaker Rik Morgan: the idea of this movie. But we, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves.
Speaker Rik Morgan: We've got to get into this in a little bit. But let's talk about
Speaker Rik Morgan: some other stuff. So special guest,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Joseph, man, tell us. Tell us what's going on in your world, man.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Oh, not, you know, not a whole lot outside of the hysteria
Speaker Joseph Henson: continues. I'm pretty much doing that full time. We just
Speaker Joseph Henson: released, I think it was terror night. I mean, these episodes
Speaker Joseph Henson: kind of bleed together, but it was terror night from 1987.
Speaker Joseph Henson: We got ten to midnight coming out in a week or so.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Nice. Yeah, we got a few commentaries
Speaker Joseph Henson: in the bag for 88 films, vinegar syndrome and
Speaker Joseph Henson: Arrow. Other than that, I mean, that's pretty much all I do now.
Speaker Joseph Henson: So. Man. So there you go, folks. Short bus.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Then hit the high time. We got a celebrity on the show. Yo,
Speaker Joseph Henson: I wouldn't go that far. He's been
Speaker Rik Morgan: a good buddy for quite a while and we have always enjoyed
Speaker Rik Morgan: having him on. And, man, it's awesome that things are doing so well
Speaker Rik Morgan: for you and the guys. Yeah, it's been ten years. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: we just had our 10th year anniversary as well. Wow. At the end of January.
Speaker Joseph Henson: So it took ten years, but yeah, it's, it's crazy.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Wow. Well, what we're going to do right now, we're going to take a short
Speaker Rik Morgan: break and. Short break.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I wish I could do a good brack. It'd be all right. We're gonna take
Speaker Rik Morgan: a short break. We'll be right back with kiss meets the phantom.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yo,
Speaker Rik Morgan: get out of the way.
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Speaker Johnny Krueg: All right. And we're back with Kiss meets the Phantom of the park from 1978.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: When you think 1978, you don't think movies like Halloween.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: You think movies like Kiss meets the Phantom of the park. Yo,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the IMDb for this is a 4.8, which,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: man, that is in.
Speaker Joseph Henson: When you compare that, it's like 4.7 too high.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Dude, I was just gonna say, when you put this up to next to things
Speaker Johnny Krueg: we've done on short bus in the past, like, I feel like this is,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: this isn't as good as some stuff we've done and some in some of those
Speaker Johnny Krueg: movies have gotten way lower scores.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: But this movie, it is directed by
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Gordon Hessler, who did scream and scream again with
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Vincent Price and Cry of the Banshee also.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah, it's, it's crazy because there, that's something I'll
Speaker Johnny Krueg: talk about later in this movie. But the villain in this man
Speaker Johnny Krueg: could have been so much more if they had gotten somebody like Vincent Price.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: But this movie's also. It's written by
Speaker Johnny Krueg: two different guys. Bye, Don Bru. We'll see
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Don Bidet, which. Okay.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: And Jan Michael Sherman almost said Jan Michael Vincent.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: And they're known for movies like Slithis and Too Hot to handle,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: which was, from what I read, too hot to handle is
Speaker Johnny Krueg: some kind of, like, sexy adventurer movie.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Sure. Yeah. The cast of this movie is
Speaker Johnny Krueg: kissed and the rock band and Anthony
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Zerbe. Is that how you say that? Yeah.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Played Edwardevereau. Yeah. Yep. And then Carmine
Speaker Johnny Krueg: carried II. I didn't really know anybody in this movie,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: but when I looked him up, I'd seen them in every. I mean, well,
Speaker Joseph Henson: you didn't recognize Brian James as the, one of the security guards,
Speaker Joseph Henson: was that. Yeah. Was he really in this? Yeah. You didn't know.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He's like, he said it was him or his twin.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, dude. Yeah. That's so crazy. I'm looking at, yeah, right there. Brian James,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: he usually stands out, too, because he kind of looks like a thumb that got,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: you know, involved in a machinery accident
Speaker Johnny Krueg: in his face. Well, the guy
Speaker Rik Morgan: that plays Devereux has been in a ton of stuff. And your two teenage
Speaker Rik Morgan: supposed actors were both in soap operas at this time, so they were
Speaker Rik Morgan: kind of a hot commodity and everybody knew who they were, so that was kind
Speaker Rik Morgan: of the draw. There's the ones that could actually act.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Well, yeah, the main actress in this, she had, like, she had some good
Speaker Johnny Krueg: chops when it came to screaming and stuff like that.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: But it's funny when you look a lot of these people up like her.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I mean, they have soap opera stuff, but, like, in the first two or
Speaker Johnny Krueg: three credits, it shows this. So you're like, ooh,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: sorry. Sorry about that. But, dude,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, again, I mean, and I'm defending it because,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I guess because of the time. But this thing was so
Speaker Rik Morgan: huge when it came out. And, yeah, it is not good.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And like I said, the kiss had a thing where if
Speaker Rik Morgan: you worked for them, you couldn't bring it up.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You were not allowed to talk about the movie.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They did not like the idea at all. But when this
Speaker Rik Morgan: thing came out, like I said, I mean, I skipped Halloween parties
Speaker Rik Morgan: and everything to stay home and watch this. And it was the most watched television
Speaker Rik Morgan: event in almost a decade.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So this thing, it screened on Halloween. Or it screamed,
Speaker Rik Morgan: like, a couple of days before. But,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, it was. It was an event. I mean, there was magazines
Speaker Rik Morgan: and stuff out, you know, put out before. And just like you do any of
Speaker Rik Morgan: your Star wars and stuff, you know, you get your, you know, magazines to come
Speaker Rik Morgan: out beforehand, explaining stuff and all that. It was a
Speaker Rik Morgan: big deal. Speaking of Star wars, this is. This is basically the equivalent
Speaker Rik Morgan: of the Christmas special. It's pretty close.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So for you folks that have never seen this, I'll give
Speaker Rik Morgan: you a little backstory. Kiss being the hot commodity
Speaker Rik Morgan: that they were, they were approached.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Johnny didn't say who produced this movie. He talked about who directed it, but it
Speaker Rik Morgan: was produced by Joseph Barbera.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's right. Hanna Barbera did
Speaker Rik Morgan: this movie. Oh. And it just. It just. It just definitely
Speaker Rik Morgan: comes across as something Hanna Barbera would do. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So when they have. When the idea was so to
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss and their managers, they told him, it's gonna be like a hard day's night,
Speaker Rik Morgan: which is the, you know, incredible Beatles movie that came
Speaker Rik Morgan: out. It was such a phenomenon for the. Especially for Kiss, because they were such
Speaker Rik Morgan: Beatles fans. So they took that idea and said, it's gonna be a combination
Speaker Rik Morgan: of that and Star wars, and.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And somewhere it got lost.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, yeah, I mean, there's. There's tons and tons of stories
Speaker Rik Morgan: of the failure of this movie, but I think Johnny
Speaker Rik Morgan: and I were talking back and forth, you know, while just
Speaker Rik Morgan: talking about this movie. And once you realize that this is
Speaker Rik Morgan: a Hanna Barbera movie, all your background music,
Speaker Rik Morgan: all your sound effects, everything is straight out of, like, Scooby Doo
Speaker Rik Morgan: cartoons. Yeah. And you're. Your. Your Hanna Barbera childhood
Speaker Joseph Henson: is ruined when you learn that,
Speaker Joseph Henson: dude. Well, you know, it's funny, and we'll get into the plot
Speaker Johnny Krueg: and stuff, but, I mean, it plays out like Scooby Doo, man.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah, it does. Like, straight up. I mean, that's. That's who it
Speaker Johnny Krueg: was made by. The only thing it was missing was the Harlem Globetrotters.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, that would have been great.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But the way after they agreed to do this.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Hannah Burma or whoever was in charge at the time,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they sent a writer to go around with each member of Kiss
Speaker Rik Morgan: and just follow them around and capture their personalities so they could write skips
Speaker Rik Morgan: based off of the way they reacted and talked.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Pete straight up told them, f y'all,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I ain't doing it. Cause, you know, I gotta go out back and do some
Speaker Rik Morgan: heroin. But Ace could
Speaker Rik Morgan: care less, and he knew he was being followed, so he just went
Speaker Rik Morgan: around going, ah, ah. All the time. I kept expecting
Speaker Joseph Henson: Ace. I kept expecting Ace freely to go, my grand slam
Speaker Joseph Henson: was supposed to be with sausage.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But if you notice in the movie, he never really has. He has, like two
Speaker Rik Morgan: or three lines, but the rest time he just goes.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I thought that was an interesting choice of the writers
Speaker Johnny Krueg: just have a squawk, like some kind of, like, dull pelican.
Speaker Joseph Henson: That's, let's put it this Gene Simmons is the best actor of
Speaker Joseph Henson: the four. Easily. Yeah, yeah, well,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and that's why he went on and had a somewhat career. Right.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But yeah, that's. That's why Sony goes in
Speaker Rik Morgan: the whole movie, which is one of the funny qualities
Speaker Rik Morgan: about it, right? Because they'll talk about something serious. He'll just go,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, well, yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: we'll. Get to that later. But, yeah, they're, like, interrogating him later, and he just
Speaker Rik Morgan: squawks. I feel like the director probably
Speaker Joseph Henson: went home after shooting every night and looked his wife in the eye and was
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, honey, I'm sorry. Just kill me now.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, I mean, and like I said, pete, even when it
Speaker Rik Morgan: came time to finish the movie, he wouldn't even show up to
Speaker Rik Morgan: do overdubs or anything. So that's not Pete's
Speaker Rik Morgan: voice in the whole movie. Oh, wow.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Pete sounds like he's got Demi Moore stuck in his throat.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, he's got a super raspy voice, very heavy accent,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and, yeah, you know, that kind of messed with everybody's
Speaker Rik Morgan: head because, you know, he was talking normal. And they're like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: wait a minute. That don't sound anything like Pete.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And there's just. It just goes on and on. The stunt double for
Speaker Rik Morgan: ace really was a black guy. And they didn't, they didn't cover his
Speaker Rik Morgan: hands, they didn't cover his neck. I mean, you can tell. It's just like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: wait a minute. It's kind of weird. It's kind of a weird parallel there,
Speaker Joseph Henson: because I had mentioned off air how I thought,
Speaker Joseph Henson: you know, I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks this, but I always
Speaker Joseph Henson: thought Gene Simmons looked like Bill Duke. Like the white version of Bill Duke.
Speaker Joseph Henson: And then what's interesting, you bring that up, because Bill Duke and Commando,
Speaker Joseph Henson: he had a white stunt double for his fight with Arnold Schwarzenegger. So there's.
Speaker Joseph Henson: There's some synchronicity for you. Well, you want to hear something even funnier
Speaker Johnny Krueg: is when you message Bill Duke. Some.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Somehow my brain got that scrambled as David Duke.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, God. Like, isn't David
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Duke white? Joseph, it's amazing you say
Speaker Rik Morgan: that, because I remember me and my wife going to see Preter, which she was
Speaker Rik Morgan: my girlfriend back then, but I saw this guy, and I was like.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I said, becky, I said, that guy looks like a black gene simmons.
Speaker Joseph Henson: He does. I mean, he even talks like him. They have, like, the same voice,
Speaker Joseph Henson: same mannerisms. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Very much so. But, yeah, so, yeah, I mean, and the guy
Speaker Rik Morgan: that actually is the stunt dough for it, for Gene is like some really old
Speaker Rik Morgan: guy. So when you see him with the wig and stuff
Speaker Rik Morgan: on, it's like. It's almost like Benny Hill
Speaker Rik Morgan: stepping in for Gene in the movie. I mean, it's really, really obvious it's
Speaker Rik Morgan: not Gene. Oh, dude, there's a scene where it's like a wire. Like a wire
Speaker Johnny Krueg: trick, and you could just tell it's an old dude.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's it. That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So, anyways, let's get on with this.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, we're at an amusement
Speaker Rik Morgan: park, which is actually magic, mountainous, which was supposedly the
Speaker Rik Morgan: biggest, you know, amusement park of its kind at the time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And there's gonna be a big kiss concert there. Matter of fact, three of them
Speaker Rik Morgan: in a row, because, you know, you sound at an
Speaker Rik Morgan: amusement park. I like the intercoms, like, kiss tonight,
Speaker Joseph Henson: kiss tonight. Kiss. It's like, okay,
Speaker Joseph Henson: who's playing tonight? I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it doesn't matter that you get, you know, statues of them everywhere,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, as well, saying, you know, they're gonna be there tonight. But.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, you know, I get it. I've got a
Speaker Rik Morgan: buddy here that is the. At one time, he was
Speaker Rik Morgan: the world champion banjo player. Lives just down the road from me.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And he used to have it have a spot in Opryland, you know, which is
Speaker Rik Morgan: the. The Tennessee amusement park.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And he kind of had his own spot there, so I
Speaker Rik Morgan: can see where, you know. Okay. You just get booked to
Speaker Rik Morgan: do these gigs, and you just do them because your management just got you this
Speaker Rik Morgan: spot. So kissing a lull, for some reason, got to play
Speaker Rik Morgan: at Magic Mountain. You never told me you were friends with Kermit. The frog.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, yeah. Man, why are there so many?
Speaker Rik Morgan: How do we get out here? Yeah, it's back the way you came.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And we get to, you know, your typical. I mean, you got kiss fans
Speaker Rik Morgan: coming to your amusement park. So you're gonna get some rough and tumble people,
Speaker Rik Morgan: right? I mean, that's what they're trying to portray here. If you're a
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss fan, you're a devil worshipper, right? I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's kind of what we're saying. So we meet Snead.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You never get his real name. Just Snead, which is like the main
Speaker Rik Morgan: security guard in the amusement park. And the guy just calls
Speaker Rik Morgan: him all the time. Ain't that right, snead? Let's go get
Speaker Rik Morgan: him, snead. Hey, snead. It's like, what the
Speaker Rik Morgan: heck? Stop saying my name, please.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He's like, we gotta be careful. Cause we got a riot on our
Speaker Rik Morgan: hands. And hear him like, dude, it's some kids building a pyramid. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, you gonna bust these eight years olds?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: That was so weird. Like, I mean, the whole thing with,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like, the. The bikers messing with the kids, building the pyramid. We'll have none of
Speaker Johnny Krueg: that in our park. I'm like, you don't have a whole lot of anything in
Speaker Johnny Krueg: this park. It's like the. The three
Speaker Joseph Henson: bikers, they're like. Their. Their claim to trouble making is
Speaker Joseph Henson: like they. They get up in people's face and they. They can only be bought
Speaker Joseph Henson: off with, like, tickets to a haunted amusement attraction.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I like. You never. I like the scene where they harass the $30,000
Speaker Joseph Henson: monkey experiment. And I. Yeah, what the
Speaker Joseph Henson: hell has. That guy been doing with $30,000 for the last year?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Building this robot monkey? I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's almost like showbiz pizza there for a minute, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: I always wanted. I wanted to get a good shot of that dude's jacket on
Speaker Rik Morgan: the. On the back of his jacket. The leader of the group, because it says
Speaker Rik Morgan: Satan's something. But I never could see what it says
Speaker Rik Morgan: at the bottom. I always wondered what that is because you never get a good
Speaker Rik Morgan: shot of it. By the way, the leader of that gang,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Johnny, was in Jekyll and Hyde together
Speaker Rik Morgan: again. He's the guy that gives up his testicle.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Nice. I thought
Speaker Rik Morgan: he looked familiar. He's been in several late
Speaker Rik Morgan: seventies, early eighties stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: We meet Sam and Melissa, which is, like we said earlier,
Speaker Rik Morgan: possibly the only decent actors in the whole thing. Well,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Sam, how far can you go? He just plays a robot the whole time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But I love that they're getting off a roller coaster together.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Melissa goes, do you have to go to work now? And he goes,
Speaker Rik Morgan: there's something I don't understand. It's like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: are y'all having the same conversation?
Speaker Rik Morgan: But Sam's feeling that there's something odd going on, so he goes snooping
Speaker Rik Morgan: around in Devereaux workshop. Now, Devereux,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he's the phantom of the park, and, uh, so we
Speaker Rik Morgan: can soup. Up amusement park rides.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Well, I like when he's. I like when he's, um, the. The guy who
Speaker Joseph Henson: runs the park. He, like, he basically lets Devereaux, you know,
Speaker Joseph Henson: go. And I'm sitting there thinking, you know, it's so sad to watch Abner walk
Speaker Joseph Henson: away. I wonder if Oliver Stone, you know, got the
Speaker Joseph Henson: idea for Nixon's walk of shame from this film.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Was that. That was after he souped up, like, the. What was that ride?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Like, the crazy dance or something? Yeah, yeah. The big octopus looking thing. It spins
Speaker Rik Morgan: around, and he, he hooks up that, like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: special generator to it or something,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and it makes it go, like, four times the speed. Well,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: and I. And I love all the ADR that's coming off of it. People like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: oh, my God, we're gonna die. They just sped the field up,
Speaker Rik Morgan: right? Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, I love the whole Devereux thing because
Speaker Rik Morgan: he's like, hey, who took. Who took down the walrus display
Speaker Rik Morgan: and put up this hideous thing of this rock band? He was like, the walrus
Speaker Rik Morgan: display? That's what you're worried about?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Well, I mean, you think about it, and you think about, like, that monkey costing
Speaker Johnny Krueg: $30,000 and you're like, man, they just must have disposable income. They had their
Speaker Johnny Krueg: hand in this dude. Well, this is. And that's. I think that's the breaking
Speaker Rik Morgan: point, because he's saying he don't have enough. I'm like, dude, look at the stuff
Speaker Rik Morgan: you've done. You built all these rides. You're building your, your monkey and
Speaker Rik Morgan: stuff, and you're still not got enough money, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and the. The guys running the parks, giving him a hard time because,
Speaker Rik Morgan: hey, man, you know, you're. You're not doing any pm on these illness
Speaker Rik Morgan: equipment. You're just letting it break down. Well, doesn't he,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like, in the beginning of the movie, doesn't he see the kiss banner flying overhead?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: He's like, how much did that cost? Like, he's angry. The dude bought a banner.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, yeah. That didn't cost $30,000,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: right? So, yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: while this is going on, you got Sam, which is our young guy. This is
Speaker Rik Morgan: snooping around in Devereux shop, and you
Speaker Rik Morgan: got these cool 1970s space doors
Speaker Rik Morgan: that just kind of, and they raise,
Speaker Rik Morgan: like, star trek type doors, and he goes into one,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and you don't know what happens to him. It closes,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and it's like you hear him scream, and that's it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Which doesn't make a lick of sense, because Devereux not in
Speaker Rik Morgan: there. So,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, I don't know what happens there. I don't guess it really matters.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Devereux, with the kindness of his heart, because they're up
Speaker Rik Morgan: there humping on his monkey,
Speaker Rik Morgan: gives the biker group some free tickets to go to
Speaker Rik Morgan: the chamber of thrills. And this
Speaker Rik Morgan: chamber of thrills, man, here's the thing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: All these robotics that are in the movie are just mimes.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They're just people that are trying to act like robots, you know?
Speaker Rik Morgan: So that, that's your budget in this, this movie. You don't have,
Speaker Rik Morgan: like, any real robots. It's just dudes walking like shields in yarn.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Ale. Yeah, they needed,
Speaker Joseph Henson: they needed a little bit of Yule Brenner to kind of sprite spice things up
Speaker Joseph Henson: a little bit. Yeah. The ones, the ones in the scary, like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the spook house, they're a little bit more convincing than
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the ones later. Well, they got the COVID of darkness to help them out a
Speaker Johnny Krueg: little bit there. Dude, it is so dark, too. I mean, and that's,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's something that, on that, the other version that I sent. So I messed
Speaker Rik Morgan: up when we were prepping for this show, and I sent them the australian version
Speaker Rik Morgan: of this movie, and it's called,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's called the attack of the phantoms.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: And it's nothing but wallabies. And.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Like how you're mentioning Rick, how it's
Speaker Joseph Henson: Devereux. He gives the, the punks the tickets to the, the,
Speaker Joseph Henson: the haunted attraction, and he's like, and one of the guys is
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, maybe we will, maybe we won't. Why can't you get with the 20th century?
Speaker Joseph Henson: What? Well, I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Hanna Barbera, that's the way they think that a motorcycle gang would react.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So there you go. Well, 1978,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they might have. What does the girl say every time? She's like, she's like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: this won't happen unless we mean for it to happen.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh. So at this point,
Speaker Rik Morgan: we haven't really gotten to where they get
Speaker Rik Morgan: to the, to the thrill, the chamber of thrills just yet, because Melissa's
Speaker Rik Morgan: going around looking for Sam because now he's missing. Dude's been gone for,
Speaker Rik Morgan: like, 15 minutes, and now he's already on the missing persons list in
Speaker Rik Morgan: a, in a park that he works in. So even
Speaker Rik Morgan: as a kid, I would go, well, if he works
Speaker Rik Morgan: here, how do you know he's missing?
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah, it's like they called in the cavalry, like 15 minutes after he's gone.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Like, Amy Lynn Bradley didn't even get that much time. They took her, like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: two, two or three days thereport her missing. This guy. This guy's probably on
Speaker Joseph Henson: his lunch break. They reported Missy. It's. This is,
Speaker Rik Morgan: this is where you get to start seeing people acting like robots, because she shows
Speaker Rik Morgan: up at Devereaux's workshop. He's in there, and he walks around and starts
Speaker Rik Morgan: showing her some of the androids that are just, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: dudes dressed up in these outfits. And that's where you get the barbershop
Speaker Rik Morgan: quartet singing. And when they walk past the
Speaker Rik Morgan: table, it's obviously a dude's head sticking up through the table.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's part of the quartet. And they sing a little piece of a song,
Speaker Rik Morgan: then they go back to it, and I don't know if you could pick a
Speaker Rik Morgan: more fake looking head than the one that he picks up that's supposed to be
Speaker Rik Morgan: the same head. I mean, it looks absolutely
Speaker Rik Morgan: terrible. And I'm like, you're supposed to buy that. That's the same
Speaker Rik Morgan: head. I mean, it don't even. It's not even the same shape,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but they're trying to give you that illusion of, you know, they're not real.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They're all robotic. And. Yeah, sure they are.
Speaker Joseph Henson: It's like, did no one have, like, any kind of, like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: safety procedures for any of this? I mean, they just let this guy run hog
Speaker Joseph Henson: wild, like, creating these killer robots in there, and no one's, like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: bats an eye at it until he's, like, let go or whatever.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, and that's the thing. You don't know if the guy. That's the financial,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, guy of the, of the park, the one that fires him,
Speaker Rik Morgan: if he knows that he's been doing other
Speaker Rik Morgan: stuff or if he just realizes he has been doing what he's supposed to be
Speaker Rik Morgan: doing and that's why he has to let him go.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, oh, yeah. I'm, uh, at this point, that's where chopper and his
Speaker Rik Morgan: bunch go to the house of thrills.
Speaker Rik Morgan: How about when they first get in there and there's the family in there with
Speaker Rik Morgan: the kids, got the balloon. He's smoking. Chopper pops
Speaker Rik Morgan: the balloon. The guy's like, hey, you can't smoke in here. The chopper
Speaker Rik Morgan: goes, I'll smoke you.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I think what.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: This movie just got really hardcore.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I didn't know where that was going. You might want to get the kids out
Speaker Rik Morgan: of there real fast. Yeah. He's a two pack a day, or you better
Speaker Joseph Henson: run, kid.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But anyways, what happens is, you know, you got the mummy,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you got Dracula, Frankenstein. All these
Speaker Rik Morgan: characters down here. And, you know, big.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Typical what you would think of like a house of wax kind of thing or
Speaker Rik Morgan: whatever. And they all get
Speaker Rik Morgan: captured and pulled through a air
Speaker Rik Morgan: duct somehow. It's like one of those bank suction
Speaker Johnny Krueg: things. They send your money to the teller.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Exactly. Well, think of in Star wars. Hint, hint.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You know, those. Those. That tube would come down from the jawa's,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, trailer or whatever that thing was they riding in.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It would suck. Suck the characters back up into it. It's kind
Speaker Rik Morgan: of what happens here. Except we get to see them float through the tubes going.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well. And then it's cool too, because, like, part of it is them, like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: coming toward the camera. And the other, other half is them going backwards through the
Speaker Johnny Krueg: tube. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then it. It cuts away to
Speaker Rik Morgan: Deverell getting fired outside the kiss stage. Where they're
Speaker Rik Morgan: doing a sound check. Even. Even though they don't have the speaker set up yet.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You're hearing guys testing the speakers.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, and this is. I love it. Because the
Speaker Rik Morgan: guy goes, I gotta let you go. And Devereaux gets up
Speaker Rik Morgan: and he says, you will regret this day. And he starts
Speaker Rik Morgan: walking away. But it's one of those walking aways where
Speaker Rik Morgan: you think, what if I walk slow enough? Maybe he'll call me back.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Maybe he'll call me back. Maybe. I mean, dude is just barely creeping
Speaker Rik Morgan: off. And it's like the longest scene of him walking off.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah, it's like the. It's like the scene in Nixon where. Where Nixon is impeached.
Speaker Joseph Henson: And it's like this long, like, walk to the plane or into the limousine.
Speaker Joseph Henson: This goes on forever. All I needed
Speaker Joseph Henson: was, like, some sad music playing over.
Speaker Joseph Henson: They should have got, like, kissed, like, record some sort of sad music.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Like, they could have scored the film as well. Other than their songs.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: They play as they play a sad song later.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But at this point, it's showtime. It's concert time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And this is where I don't know if the warm up bands playing or
Speaker Rik Morgan: whatever. But the crowds all going crazy, getting amped up.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And it shows Devereaux sitting at his desk. Which I have to admit,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's a pretty cool desk. Mandev. All those blinking
Speaker Rik Morgan: lights. And the three little tv screens up top where you can see everything.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, dude, has done snapped. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he basically turns off the tv and says, I will destroy you.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I'll destroy all of you. And you're like, now you're
Speaker Rik Morgan: gonna kill everybody that goes to the park. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: why? I have a question.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: So he's let go. But before he's
Speaker Johnny Krueg: let go, you hear earlier that it's pretty much, you know, common knowledge
Speaker Johnny Krueg: where his laboratory and everything is. And he just, like, goes back
Speaker Johnny Krueg: there, and nobody goes and checks, nobody escorts him out of the park
Speaker Johnny Krueg: or, you know, removes his, like, access to that.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Secret facility, or, yeah, nothing is revoked. No one puts chains on
Speaker Joseph Henson: the doors, or no one sets a security guard out there to say, hey,
Speaker Joseph Henson: this guy might come back. He's been acting a little fruit loopy,
Speaker Joseph Henson: so just keep an eye out. No, it's this business as usual once he's
Speaker Joseph Henson: gone. Yeah, yeah. I mean, so, yeah, he's just.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He's got his own place. I guess. Maybe that was of his stipulations when they
Speaker Rik Morgan: started building, was, I need my own place and no
Speaker Rik Morgan: people allowed, so who knows?
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, yeah. So he decides that he's gonna destroy
Speaker Rik Morgan: the park and all the people in the park and
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss, because I guess he hates kiss, but he's gonna use kiss as his
Speaker Rik Morgan: instrument to destroy the people and destroy the park,
Speaker Rik Morgan: which makes total sense, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, speaking of kiss, the show starts,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and kiss comes flying in on the stage from outer space.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I still don't understand that one. We're not making this up,
Speaker Rik Morgan: by the way. No, I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: ace just comes out of nowhere and shoots some lasers out of his fingers.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Peter criss appears in space,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and Paul Stanley shoots a laser
Speaker Rik Morgan: out of his eye and walks down the laser onto the stage.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It sounds much cooler than it is.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And gene breathes cartoon fire all the. Time,
Speaker Rik Morgan: so aunt growls like a lion. And growls like a lionhouse.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And not just a lion, a Hanna Barbera lion. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, it is stock sound effects in this one,
Speaker Rik Morgan: folks. They could have done,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, a who, who framed Roger Rabbit type thing and got all the Hanna Barbera
Speaker Joseph Henson: cartoon characters in there. Like, you could have Gene Simmons, like, on stage
Speaker Joseph Henson: breathing fire and huckleberry hounds. Like, watch out.
Speaker Joseph Henson: That would have been so awesome. Snaggle bliss, exit stage left.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Ethan.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You know, all these sound like better ideas than what we get.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So, yeah, the show starts, they get on stage, they sing
Speaker Rik Morgan: shouted out loud. And I have to admit,
Speaker Rik Morgan: as a kid, the stage performances were really
Speaker Rik Morgan: the best stage performance things we ever got to
Speaker Rik Morgan: see. Because, you know, you didn't have MTV. You didn't see them on
Speaker Rik Morgan: tv ever. As far as live performance.
Speaker Rik Morgan: If you did, it was like midnight special or something, something you were not allowed
Speaker Rik Morgan: to stay up and watch because it was past your bedtime. So this is the
Speaker Rik Morgan: first time that most kids got to see kiss on stage
Speaker Rik Morgan: of any kind. So that
Speaker Rik Morgan: part was kind of a big deal. It's just when they get off the stage,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's when the problem starts. Let me. Let me ask you
Speaker Johnny Krueg: a question, Mandy. I don't know a lot about kiss. You know, I know
Speaker Johnny Krueg: a lot about music and stuff, but surprisingly, I don't know a lot about kiss.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Did you. Did Gene Simmons always walk like he had something up his butt?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, that was part of the.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He slithers around, like, you know, think of the dragon in
Speaker Rik Morgan: Dragon Slayer, when it had its legs bent and it was like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: walking down that corridor. That's kind of his thing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It was that. You're exactly right. That's. That's what it's like. Like that posturing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Okay. In the.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I didn't know if that was, like, something for the movie or if that's something
Speaker Johnny Krueg: he, like, he did in general. No, that's when they're on stage performing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's kind of how they are. It's just,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, trying to make that passable is.
Speaker Rik Morgan: No, no. The super, he's. He walks like, he's wearing extremely
Speaker Joseph Henson: tight spandex pants, and he's already bow legged, so it's
Speaker Joseph Henson: like he's crunched up there. That's probably
Speaker Rik Morgan: very true. And he's a very tall dude, too.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So you take that and then let him hunker down. Of course, they all had
Speaker Rik Morgan: trouble with the boots, right? I mean, Ace was infamous for falling
Speaker Rik Morgan: on stage all the time, and the dude couldn't walk in normal shoes. You put
Speaker Rik Morgan: him in those things, and they said they'd look around, he'd be on the ground
Speaker Rik Morgan: all the time, you know, laughing at himself.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, let's see. Where are we
Speaker Rik Morgan: at? Kiss performance on stage. And then it cuts back to Devereaux
Speaker Rik Morgan: again. And this is where you find out that chopper and his gang are now
Speaker Rik Morgan: androids that he uses in the show. Dresses them up like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I don't know, from early american history
Speaker Rik Morgan: kind of looking, you know, stuff. 1776 looking stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And so now you're kind of putting the pieces together of,
Speaker Rik Morgan: wow, he's not making robots. Well, not literally making robots.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He's turning people into robots. Dump. Dump. Dom.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then kiss. Yeah. Colonial robots. At the colonial robots.
Speaker Rik Morgan: There you go. That's the word I was looking for. Yeah, I think that.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I think that band used to open for kiss robots.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah. It's actually not a bad thing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Bad at all. Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and this is where the mighty starts falling.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Falling. This is where sam starts
Speaker Rik Morgan: taking pictures of him when they're coming off the back of the stage to get
Speaker Rik Morgan: every angle as possible of their faces. For Devereux,
Speaker Rik Morgan: even though he only takes one shot and they just show
Speaker Rik Morgan: it twice,
Speaker Rik Morgan: get every angle. He just takes one picture
Speaker Rik Morgan: and then zooms in a little closer on the same picture.
Speaker Joseph Henson: It's like you'd have Gene Simmons, like, the front of his face. But then when
Speaker Joseph Henson: you make the Android, like, for the side of his face, he just have to,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, do a lot of guesswork. Yeah, right. Well, that's funny,
Speaker Rik Morgan: because later on, when he's building them, he's got all these other photos. You're like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: okay, where'd you get those at? Because those are definitely not pictures that
Speaker Rik Morgan: sam took.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But what happens is Melissa sees Sam back there because he's been missing for 45
Speaker Rik Morgan: minutes, and she's trying to. She's trying to get his attention and
Speaker Rik Morgan: sneed the a hole that he will, and he is.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He won't let her by. And that's when Gene
Speaker Rik Morgan: goes star child, but he's got the sound effect
Speaker Rik Morgan: on his voice that is worse than Doctor
Speaker Rik Morgan: Doom and the corpsman version.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Paul shoots a laser out of his eye,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and it makes everybody freeze except the girl.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And she walks up closer and. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: We start getting conversation that we didn't need.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I'm not the, um. I'm not the biggest. Like, I don't know a whole lot
Speaker Joseph Henson: about ki. I mean, I know some, but which one has the star over his
Speaker Joseph Henson: face? That's Pauldin. Yeah. Yeah. Did you notice? I mean, probably getting ahead
Speaker Joseph Henson: of here a little bit, but there's. There. I remember one scene where he's
Speaker Joseph Henson: got. He's got, like, the star cam vision and, like. Yeah, everything's in,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, this sepia color except for the edge of the star. It's in black and
Speaker Joseph Henson: white. Yeah. So I just wonder about that. Well,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he can use it for multiple things, right? It can be a laser that's destructive,
Speaker Rik Morgan: like a Star wars blaster, or he can use
Speaker Rik Morgan: it to, you know, do the, you know, because they're. There's the same. They're talking
Speaker Rik Morgan: all the way across the swimming pool, and he's able to just listen within that.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That star, I guess, and hear what they're saying. I don't know. Yeah, that.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: That's like, that's a scene that he's talking about because I'm, I kept
Speaker Johnny Krueg: thinking I'm like he's hearing with his eye. Like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: yeah, man. It's like he can do all this stuff with his eyes. But if
Speaker Joseph Henson: you look, if you look at the camera view, it's obvious he's colorblind.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Poor guy. Actually,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he's, he's only got one ear in real life.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Seriously. He only really only has one ear? Yeah. Paul Stanley only has one a
Speaker Rik Morgan: year. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's always been, you know, it's something he never talked a whole lot about,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but, yeah, he's, he's only had one ear his whole life.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Just born without it.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: But that's, that's crazy too, for like, a musician. Like, you don't,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: you never hear people, you know, stuff like that? Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He's never heard stereo, you know, never had that ability.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But he said this. But he said, if you think about it, for like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: monitors, he kind of, he had an advantage because
Speaker Rik Morgan: you look at most singers, they oppose. They used to hold one ear, right,
Speaker Rik Morgan: so they could hear themselves. He said he could hear himself all the time,
Speaker Rik Morgan: so. Well, this probably explains why he's in this movie because the
Speaker Joseph Henson: person that asked him probably asked him in his bad ear.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I'm sure it came down to dollar signs. That's the only explanation for
Speaker Rik Morgan: this movie because everybody was, was trying to make money
Speaker Rik Morgan: off of this band at the time because, again, they were the
Speaker Rik Morgan: biggest thing on the planet. And. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's, that's all this turned into. And anyways,
Speaker Rik Morgan: we'll get back to the movie. They know
Speaker Rik Morgan: that Melissa's looking for Sam. And I love the fact that
Speaker Rik Morgan: he says, don't worry about it, Melissa.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Sam's still in the park. Well, hell, yeah, he is. He just walked by
Speaker Rik Morgan: a minute ago.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Thanks for being captain obvious there, Paul. I like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I like, I like when they talk to her because they're very, like, prophetic.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: They're very like, calm and just. Yeah,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: he's still in the park.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, and that's, trying to keep that mystique going. So let's, let's break down
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss for you, the, the real personalities. You got
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gene, who is Gene Simmons?
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, there's not a big difference between Gene without makeup,
Speaker Rik Morgan: as with makeup, he's bombastic,
Speaker Rik Morgan: a stage hog. He loves what he does.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul was the one, it was always about the music, but he was always,
Speaker Rik Morgan: to me, Paul was always the one in charge. When it come down to it,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he kind of kept the band going. So he was the real musician of the
Speaker Rik Morgan: bunch, Ace Washington.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He was living the rock and roll lifestyle. I mean, the best example
Speaker Rik Morgan: is, you know, like Keith Richards, Slash. This is
Speaker Rik Morgan: what Ace was. He was the rock and roll guy that hated all this goofy
Speaker Rik Morgan: superhero crap. He just wanted to play a Les Paul and
Speaker Rik Morgan: rock out. That's. That's Ace. And then Pete thought
Speaker Rik Morgan: he was the star of the band. The drummer
Speaker Rik Morgan: always thought he was the star and pretty much resented
Speaker Rik Morgan: everybody else in the band because of it.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Dude, don't let him paint your face like a kitty cat and expect
Speaker Johnny Krueg: to be the star, man.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, and that's all the Persona thing, right? I mean, they.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's. You know, Paul's always said, he said, you can't
Speaker Rik Morgan: claim somebody to be a genius when they fall into a
Speaker Rik Morgan: stream of gold. He said, it's just one of those things that just happened
Speaker Rik Morgan: because they were tired of fans growing up and paying
Speaker Rik Morgan: money to go see, you know, Led Zeppelin. All these bands that would get on
Speaker Rik Morgan: stage and be totally wasted and not get your money's worth.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they were a reaction to that. They wanted to be larger than life and
Speaker Rik Morgan: put on a great show. So that's kind of the way the whole Persona
Speaker Rik Morgan: and all that stuff came from, and they just kind of dabbled into
Speaker Rik Morgan: their own personalities and come up with some crap.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's the explanation. I'm nothing. I'm not saying that's right. I'm just
Speaker Rik Morgan: saying that's what's been said. No, that's cool.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's. I. That's more than I knew about. About kiss. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but, I mean, I've seen them 39 times in concert.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I'm a big fan. But. And nobody.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I don't care who it is. Nobody puts on a show like they do.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's just. That's just a fact.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And, yeah, I mean, that's. That's why
Speaker Rik Morgan: they were such a big deal. Because, one, you have to remember at this
Speaker Rik Morgan: time, too, that the whole mystique behind them, they were
Speaker Rik Morgan: never photographed without their makeup. In the seventies, nobody knew who they
Speaker Rik Morgan: were without their makeup. It's. That's kind of
Speaker Rik Morgan: the mystique about it. Right. Which also led to all the devil worship and stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, you knew Alice Cooper if he had the makeup on or not.
Speaker Rik Morgan: These guys could take the makeup off and walk down the street. Nobody would even
Speaker Rik Morgan: bother them because nobody knew who they were. Yeah. Lindsay Lohan's
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the same way.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Didn't I see you in the love bug movies? Nope. Wasn't me.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So it all plays to this. Mystique and that's the reason
Speaker Rik Morgan: them being superheroes and stuff, because they're doing the same thing. I mean, look at
Speaker Rik Morgan: Clark Kent taking off his glasses and then you know who he is and puts
Speaker Rik Morgan: them on. You don't know. It's like, come on, it's the same dude with glasses,
Speaker Rik Morgan: right? So that's kind
Speaker Rik Morgan: of the mystique behind the band. That's the reason they got the whole devil
Speaker Rik Morgan: worshiping thing and all this stuff, because they wouldn't be photographed without it, which caused
Speaker Rik Morgan: the controversy and made them even bigger.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, man. My mom came in my room holding up one of my
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss records and was like, you're not listening. This is the devil's music. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I lived through all that. It's real.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, preachers were preaching against kiss because they were the devil,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know? Oh, yeah, I was. I was. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker Joseph Henson: all those, like, twisted sister kiss,
Speaker Joseph Henson: uh, all those bands from the late seventies, early eighties that got
Speaker Joseph Henson: into the whole glam thing. I mean, you couldn't. You couldn't take a step,
Speaker Joseph Henson: you know, in one, in either direction without someone standing
Speaker Joseph Henson: there saying, oh, you should listen to that. It's the devil's music. Yeah, well,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that was everywhere. That was heavy metal in general. But you gotta remember
Speaker Rik Morgan: this is before all that. I mean, this is.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, this is legit where people specifically called out kiss
Speaker Rik Morgan: by themselves because of the spitting of the fire, the spitting of blood.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah. And I. I can't remember someone came up with an acronym
Speaker Joseph Henson: for Kiss. It was like nights and something. Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker Joseph Henson: it was. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. And Satan service. I mean, that's.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I've heard that many a time. Matter of fact, that happened
Speaker Rik Morgan: at a church when I was a kid that we grew up going to.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And a lot of the kids that were, you know, teenage kids got
Speaker Rik Morgan: it and walked out when all that was going on. Because it's like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I'm not sitting here listening to this because that's bull crap. So,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, anyways, that's a whole different story, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: But it just builds up to why this was such a big deal.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And it's such a shame that it was such a letdown because,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, again, there was nobody any bigger than these guys at this point.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, every. They were crapping platinum at this point. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it didn't matter what it was. That had to hurt.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Is this the only movie they ever did?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yes. Thank goodness.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So let's get past all this stuff, get back to the movie where
Speaker Rik Morgan: our security guards are wandering down an alleyway in
Speaker Rik Morgan: the amusement park because, you know, that's where you look for
Speaker Rik Morgan: bad guys in an amusement park when it shut down and
Speaker Rik Morgan: they get attacked by Gene Simmons. And it sounds like
Speaker Rik Morgan: in the background, super tramps trying to play a disco song.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And this music's playing while Gene's, like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: throwing cops around and breathing fake cartoon fire and
Speaker Rik Morgan: roaring like a lion and smashing a.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Concession stand,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: dude, like that concession stand scene. Like, there,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: there's legitimately no reason for him to bust that up.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, again, they were trying to. He busted through a cement block wall
Speaker Rik Morgan: when he first got there. It's like, does that not show that he's strong enough
Speaker Rik Morgan: as is? I mean, well, it's funny, though, because, yeah,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: he's busting to this stuff, but then when he, you expect when he throws
Speaker Johnny Krueg: these security guys for, like, them to break stuff, but they're just lightly landing
Speaker Johnny Krueg: on like, like little pavilion ledges and stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. And you get your $6 million man kind of sound effects when he's throwing
Speaker Rik Morgan: them around. Like. You know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I didn't get any sound bites for this, and I probably should have because I'm
Speaker Rik Morgan: telling you, man, it's as, it's a seventies Saturday morning cartoon
Speaker Rik Morgan: sounding as you can get, man. This, this sounds like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's like you're watching a movie with kiss in it, but your volume is
Speaker Rik Morgan: actually turned on to a cartoon from jabber
Speaker Rik Morgan: Jaw or something. I mean. Yeah, and you, yeah, you could almost,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, play this to children, too, because there's not a lot of foul language in
Speaker Joseph Henson: this movie or Violet, like, you know, the violence is cartoonish and,
Speaker Joseph Henson: you know, there's no, there's no real foul language, you know, other than, like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: you might hear like hell or damn or something. But that's risque
Speaker Joseph Henson: as it gets. I don't, I think there's one bad word.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You don't call it bad word in the whole movie. And that's exactly why.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You're exactly right, Joseph, because your audience at this point,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they knew who they were after. This was made for eight
Speaker Rik Morgan: years old, up to about 15 years old. This was the
Speaker Rik Morgan: target audience for this movie. And it should
Speaker Rik Morgan: have just been a Saturday morning show instead of a prom network
Speaker Rik Morgan: tv presentation. Can you imagine tuning into this
Speaker Joseph Henson: every Saturday in the eighties or late seventies and early eighties?
Speaker Joseph Henson: I would have done it. It would have fit right in with electric woman
Speaker Rik Morgan: and Dinah Girl or Wild Boy and Bigfoot.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, there was all these shows that this, this would have been
Speaker Rik Morgan: just like, I mean, it felt like a Sid and Marty Croft
Speaker Rik Morgan: Saturday morning show.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's a good point. I've never really thought about that. But this could have been
Speaker Rik Morgan: a Saturday morning show that came right on after the.
Speaker Rik Morgan: The Bay City Rollers power hour.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Was that really a thing? Yeah, they had.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I don't think it was base. City Rollers had their own show. Yeah, it was
Speaker Rik Morgan: a Sid and murdy cross. I did not know that. Okay. I didn't
Speaker Rik Morgan: know that either. Yeah, they came to a screeching halt when they got on a
Speaker Rik Morgan: fight on the set.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You talking about some dudes that threw. Down somebody misspelled Saturday
Speaker Rik Morgan: start beating the hell out of each other? Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: man. I mean, there's. I mean, literally, they said that there would be
Speaker Rik Morgan: shows. You remember the movie fear? Fear of a black hat? And they
Speaker Rik Morgan: get in a fight right before they raise the lights on the stage. They're all
Speaker Rik Morgan: rolling around the floor, beating each other up. That literally happened with these guys.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So. Yeah. Anyways, bay city rollers, totally different story.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Let's get back to this. Oh, this is the next day when the cops show
Speaker Rik Morgan: up at kiss his house. Because, you know, kiss all live together.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they're all in robes. Yeah, they're all in. It's almost starting
Speaker Joseph Henson: to sound like Miami connection. They all share an apartment together.
Speaker Joseph Henson: We are all. Gene's waiting for a letter from his.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, my God, my father. My father.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: If kids were singing songs about friendship in this and, like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: getting into shenanigans on the beach, Manda, you would improve this movie so much.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah. At least a seat or two. I thought we were all
Speaker Rik Morgan: orphans. And he goes,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but the cops show up to arrest Gene. But the
Speaker Rik Morgan: other three are sitting up in these real, like, lifeguard chairs
Speaker Rik Morgan: around this Olympic sized pool that's in the backyard.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And the robes. Because, you know, it's a. It's the middle of summer and you
Speaker Rik Morgan: gotta wear robes over your head and everything. Cause, you know, that's cool.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, uh, yeah, Gene's not there,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and they're there to bust him because, you know, he attacked the cops.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they're all saying, there's no way it wouldn't him. What does. What does.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's where you get a bunch. Of the drummers say about his brother.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gene's brother was an only child.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's when Paul goes, easy. Cat man, they are serious.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah. How's his brother an only child? That's one of the questions I was.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Gonna ask him with the cops. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He was just. He was just cracking the joke. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You get a whole bunch of nonsense here that is kind of
Speaker Rik Morgan: comical, again, if you know the characters. But this is just bad writing all
Speaker Rik Morgan: the way around and bad acting. It cuts
Speaker Rik Morgan: away to Melissa showing up at Devereaux's place again and
Speaker Rik Morgan: saying, hey, I'm still looking for Sam. He's like, I tell you what,
Speaker Rik Morgan: take this pass, and this will let you in everywhere in the park.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But we don't know that that pass.
Speaker Rik Morgan: She's been bugged. So now he's keeping tracks on her.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And almost like he knows the future.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He can tell that she's gonna go hang out. Kiss. I don't know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but she's got a bug. Well, they were the biggest thing on the planet at
Speaker Rik Morgan: the time. That's right. That's right.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It goes back to the pool again. And ace goes ack
Speaker Rik Morgan: again. And that's when.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's when Gene shows up. And Gene growls at the police
Speaker Rik Morgan: officers and gets up in his chair.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's when the cops go out and have the private conversation that Paul can
Speaker Rik Morgan: hear through his eyeball.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So the cops decide, okay, we're gonna let it go because
Speaker Rik Morgan: you guys got these other shows you gotta finish up. Then after that, we'll bust
Speaker Rik Morgan: him. And so they already know that something's
Speaker Rik Morgan: going on. Cops leave,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Melissa shows up, and Gene growls again.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's when they say, it must be Gene's feeding time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I was like, no, that's what he does when any girl walks. Bye.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And this is the thing, man. This we cut away to inside
Speaker Rik Morgan: the house. And every
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss fan out there right now, I know, is getting excited. Because the
Speaker Rik Morgan: one thing you always wanted as a kiss fan was
Speaker Rik Morgan: these talisman, right? So supposedly there's a box of these talisman that
Speaker Rik Morgan: have the supernatural powers that kiss all have. So somehow
Speaker Rik Morgan: they've been knighted with these
Speaker Rik Morgan: talisman. And that's what gives each of their superpowers and also their
Speaker Rik Morgan: ability to play from pulp fiction.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Absolutely. I'm saying Tarantino ripped us all.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, so that's. You find out all along in pup
Speaker Rik Morgan: fiction, they had the talisman from the kiss meets the phantom in dude, if.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: There was a director's cut that existed where that was the case.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Mandy, Marcellus Wallace is,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like, obsessed with this kiss merch.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Dude, you be like, I'm gonna get medieval on your ass,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gene.
Speaker Joseph Henson: That's the sound Mars Marcellus Wallace made when he was in that
Speaker Joseph Henson: pawn shop, by the way.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So, yeah, uh, they're giving the story
Speaker Rik Morgan: to Melissa, which I think is so stupid. I mean, it's so will know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but they're saying, oh, yeah, we're gonna tell you this, girl, that we hardly know
Speaker Rik Morgan: all of our secrets about how
Speaker Rik Morgan: we're superheroes, right here. It's like Superman saying, oh, by the way,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Lois, Kip, tonight will kill me. And I'm
Speaker Rik Morgan: also that dude you work with all the time. I mean, it's the same equivalent.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But this is where it cuts back
Speaker Rik Morgan: to Devereaux. And he's building a robot,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gene Simmons. So that's the robot that was tearing
Speaker Rik Morgan: up all the stuff. So we're finding out that, you know, yada, yada, there's a
Speaker Rik Morgan: robot, Gene Simmons. So then
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's time for kisses, second show. Because it's really
Speaker Rik Morgan: the only thing worth watching in this movie.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then it cuts away from that. Back to the kisses house.
Speaker Rik Morgan: The kisses. It goes back to the kisses. Because imagine,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like a beaver style show called the kisses. But it's just that. It's just
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss. Hey,
Speaker Rik Morgan: what's funny is. I mean, I've got a video where I think they were
Speaker Rik Morgan: playing on Fridays. You guys remember Fridays at all?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, I remember it. Fridays was like ABC's answer to Saturday
Speaker Rik Morgan: Night Live. And kiss were playing on there. And they were asking this
Speaker Rik Morgan: guy in the crowd. So. So what do you think about kiss? Oh, I love
Speaker Rik Morgan: the kisses. So it's literally something
Speaker Rik Morgan: that an older person would have said in the seventies about Kiss. Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: I love the kisses. They're good. I like him a lot.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Anyways, back at the house, they're sitting around the pool. So Pete can sing
Speaker Rik Morgan: an acoustic version of Bethe 20 times
Speaker Rik Morgan: in a row. It does go on. It just keeps going. Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: God. But they
Speaker Rik Morgan: do something kind of cool because while they're out here hanging out by the pool,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul's playing the acoustic and Pete's doing the singing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Sam breaks into Kiss's house to get
Speaker Rik Morgan: the talisman. Because when she had the bug on earlier, he heard
Speaker Rik Morgan: the whole story about the talisman. So you send Sam in
Speaker Rik Morgan: there and I. Sam goes to touch the talisman
Speaker Rik Morgan: and it shocks him.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And Paul can no longer play the guitar.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Now, Sam still is Sam still considered missing at this point,
Speaker Joseph Henson: of course. Yeah. And so
Speaker Rik Morgan: where she runs into him, it kind of. Yeah, it kind of makes
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul's fingers kind of mess up a little bit. And they're all licking each other.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul's like, that was weird. And it goes back to playing like
Speaker Rik Morgan: nothing ever happened. And then Melissa's walking
Speaker Rik Morgan: around and she sees Sam walking out of the house. I'm like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's amazing. She sees him just walking away all the time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But she walks up to him and touches him and finds out he's a robot.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Not really. I mean, he's still Sam. He just. He's walking like
Speaker Rik Morgan: a robot. Walk like a robot.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Well, this is where she lets out that scream, too.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: That. Like that. That, like, shriek of the wicked.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah. So they all sound like a banshee.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, screaming like banshee.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So they all run to rescue her and see what's happened,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and she says, it was Sam. He was here, but it wasn't real.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they all go back in there. They stand around the talisman, because they're left
Speaker Rik Morgan: on a table with the lid open on it. If somebody gets to
Speaker Rik Morgan: these, we'll be in trouble. It's like, you think?
Speaker Rik Morgan: And I love they goes, Sam, the talisman.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It all leads to the park. I'm like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah, you think,
Speaker Rik Morgan: oh, I mean, what else have you guys been doing for the last. I don't
Speaker Rik Morgan: know, however long this time we've been going on playing at the park?
Speaker Joseph Henson: Well, earlier in the film, like, it may have been. I think it was
Speaker Joseph Henson: the financier. He was like, you know, he's talking about kiss.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Playing at this park is going to put this park on the map. I'm like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: dude, you people could easily put this on this
Speaker Joseph Henson: park on the map without kiss. I mean, this place is like. This place is
Speaker Joseph Henson: like crazy town for everybody. Yeah. Just have some good rides and
Speaker Joseph Henson: some. Some. Crazy town.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I'm thinking about butterflies. Wow.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But, yeah. So they decide they're gonna go to the park
Speaker Rik Morgan: when it shut down and snoop around, because that's what you do
Speaker Rik Morgan: when you're a rock band with superhero powers.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So they sneak in and they go to the big, giant roller coaster,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and they fight space.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Werewolves. That's right.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Space. Is that what those are crawl around and make?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, they're supposed to be werewolves, but they're, like, in space
Speaker Rik Morgan: outfits. But they make
Speaker Rik Morgan: sounds like gorillas and monkeys. Yeah. Because this
Speaker Joseph Henson: movie couldn't be, as, you know, it couldn't be crazy enough. They had to introduce
Speaker Joseph Henson: this. Yeah, they climb roller coasters. Like lemurse.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, yeah. Which also, I have to admit,
Speaker Rik Morgan: this was a big thing, too, because there was a Spider man tv series
Speaker Rik Morgan: around this point, and the big talk about
Speaker Rik Morgan: it was how they were doing the. The climbing scenes, and it was
Speaker Rik Morgan: literally, you know, a guy being held
Speaker Rik Morgan: by a wire. They would reel up the wire and he would act like he's
Speaker Rik Morgan: crawling up the building. It was the new tech of the time. And you see
Speaker Rik Morgan: this used with these guys quite a bit on here. So strangely
Speaker Rik Morgan: enough, that's probably the new high tech that they had in this
Speaker Rik Morgan: movie.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So, yeah, they, all the space werewolves jump down
Speaker Rik Morgan: on the ground after they play some Scooby Doo music and
Speaker Rik Morgan: we get a big fight.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And the music during the fight sounds like, I don't know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: streets of San Francisco or something. I mean, it's just,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it just doesn't work at all. You got
Speaker Joseph Henson: ace that brings a flashback to me. San Francisco.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, man, you got ace doing somersaults and
Speaker Rik Morgan: shooting werewolves with lasers. You got Pete, Pete's like a street fighter,
Speaker Rik Morgan: right? He's got these, this cat agility. He can jump and latch
Speaker Rik Morgan: on to people and throw them on the ground and punch them. And I,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you see them punching like little sparks that fly up because, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they're robots. You got
Speaker Rik Morgan: Gene. I don't know Gene just being Gene. I don't know that he does anything
Speaker Rik Morgan: any different. But how about that same rap?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Knocks the head off of one of them and he makes a face at the
Speaker Rik Morgan: camera and you're like, what is he doing? That's when
Speaker Johnny Krueg: they, yeah, that's when they finally realized that they're not fighting people.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, he knocks the werewolf's head off and you can obviously
Speaker Rik Morgan: see all the circuitry that's
Speaker Rik Morgan: going on in them. So when they stop,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they pull up on the heads and one of them says,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it just seems so unreal. And they go, absolutely.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they flip one of the heads over. It's all unreal or something to that
Speaker Rik Morgan: degree. So they're finding out that they're fighting robots.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Big shock there. Right again,
Speaker Rik Morgan: think about your, your age crowd
Speaker Rik Morgan: for this. Right again, like I said, this is your, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: eight year olds up to 1314 year old kids. That's, that's what this was shooting
Speaker Rik Morgan: for. So you have to over explain stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I guess. I don't know. It don't matter though,
Speaker Rik Morgan: because they whip all the werewolves and they go fight a bunch of samurai in
Speaker Rik Morgan: an amphitheater because that's where samurai,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's the obvious. Next move in the plot. I legitimately,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: when that, when they went into that theater, I was like, I did not expect
Speaker Johnny Krueg: this.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It's kind of like, it's kind of like a game of death, right? With Bruce
Speaker Rik Morgan: Lee where he goes up to different levels of the building. He fights a different
Speaker Rik Morgan: bad guy on each level. So, yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: this is, this is the second level. And you fight a bunch of robot
Speaker Rik Morgan: samurai. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, they, they get all cornered
Speaker Rik Morgan: up, surrounded by the samurai. And Ace, this is a little thing where he points
Speaker Rik Morgan: his thumb to the side, and they all just disappear.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Right. So ace has got the power to. To make you jump
Speaker Rik Morgan: from one place to another. So he's got that kind
Speaker Rik Morgan: of power. Even though it only comes in handy once in this whole
Speaker Rik Morgan: movie at
Speaker Rik Morgan: this point. This is where they go
Speaker Rik Morgan: into the chamber of thrills.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I don't know why. It's. It seems
Speaker Joseph Henson: like everybody's going into the chamber of thrills in this movie at one point.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. And I think you have to because. Right. We've already developed that.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, this is where Chopper and his gang got, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: beat up or whatever. So you're keeping it familiar
Speaker Rik Morgan: with everybody. They go in there, and the same time that they're fighting everybody
Speaker Rik Morgan: in there. You get Sam going back to kiss's
Speaker Rik Morgan: place with a ray gun. I like how Devereaux
Speaker Rik Morgan: goes. Use this on it. And he shoots across the room, like, blows a big
Speaker Rik Morgan: hole in the wall. You could have just
Speaker Rik Morgan: said, hey, don't point this at anything except the talisman. Because it'll really mess
Speaker Rik Morgan: some crap up. And I love that
Speaker Rik Morgan: the laser beam coming out of it is like a wave.
Speaker Rik Morgan: A waveform. Right. It's not even a straight laser.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah, it's like. It's like somebody played Metroid and got the wave beam.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So while kiss is fighting in here. Fighting. I mean, come on, man. This is
Speaker Rik Morgan: every kid's dream at this point. Kiss fighting the werewolf and
Speaker Rik Morgan: Dracula and the mummy and Frankenstein. And they
Speaker Rik Morgan: asked Ace to get him out of there again. And he does it. And they
Speaker Rik Morgan: just pop up in another part of the room because he's been zapped.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So the whole time they're fighting, Sam is, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: giving them the juice on their talisman. Well,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that can mean something totally different.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then kiss gets pulled up in the. The great vacuum
Speaker Rik Morgan: cleaner. And now they are in a laser
Speaker Rik Morgan: light prison or cell.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That Devereaux built to keep them locked up. Because he's
Speaker Rik Morgan: about to unleash his plan. And it's to take robot kiss,
Speaker Rik Morgan: put them out on the stage. And use music
Speaker Rik Morgan: to drive the fans crazy. And make them
Speaker Rik Morgan: tear down the park or each other.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So this is pretty much the plot of any rock and roll horror movie
Speaker Rik Morgan: that we've covered on the show. To drive the.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Drive the fans completely insane.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yes. So all they really need to do
Speaker Johnny Krueg: is show them this movie after it was over. I miss John Michael Thor.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yes. Man, that would
Speaker Rik Morgan: have been awesome.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh. So fake kiss gets
Speaker Rik Morgan: on the stage. And they took the
Speaker Rik Morgan: music from hotter than hell. And changed the lyrics to rip and destroy.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Thinking that. That's gonna make fans go, let's tear
Speaker Rik Morgan: this place down, because that's the power of
Speaker Rik Morgan: satanic music in the seventies. But, uh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: while the band is getting all upset and robot
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss is up there playing the same song 45 minutes straight,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's when, uh, kiss, the original
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss, figure out. So that's it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: He was just gonna use the, you know, use the fake us to.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, okay, we got it, Paul. We got it. But this
Speaker Rik Morgan: is when they decide that for some reason, Devereux just leaves the talisman
Speaker Rik Morgan: laying over there on his desk in the same room with them.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And they all combine their superpowers
Speaker Rik Morgan: and make the talisman float over to them between the bars.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Wonderkiss powers activate.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Right, which is, which is kind of cool. But it
Speaker Rik Morgan: still didn't explain how they get out of the lasers.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So what? You got the talisman? They're just as powerful across the room
Speaker Rik Morgan: as they are in your hands. So what,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you proved you can levitate some stuff. I don't get where this is going.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But somehow they get out and they
Speaker Rik Morgan: come flying in from space again. I mean, this is what I don't understand.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You're already in the park. Go back to space.
Speaker Rik Morgan: All you had to do was. All you had to do is walk out of
Speaker Rik Morgan: Devereaux's door, walk up to the stage.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But no, we're gonna launch ourselves back into space to do
Speaker Rik Morgan: our grand entrance back on the stage again. There's something to be said
Speaker Johnny Krueg: about making a great entrance.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yes. So they. I made a fine exit after
Speaker Johnny Krueg: this movie went off, by the way. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: so you get fake kiss and real kiss fighting it out
Speaker Rik Morgan: on stage, and you kind of see all their powers
Speaker Rik Morgan: come into play here because the robot,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul Stanley, shoots a laser out of his eye, and Paul Stanley flips over
Speaker Rik Morgan: his cheap Gibson. I don't even know what Gibson it
Speaker Rik Morgan: is. It's the marauder, I think, was the name of it,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that had a. Had a mirror back on it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So he shoots the laser up, back into fake Paul Stanley's head, and it blows
Speaker Rik Morgan: him up.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then the other three robots get
Speaker Rik Morgan: beat up, and they get together, and ace freely just shoots him with some stuff,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and they all just disappear. And I'm like, why didn't you
Speaker Rik Morgan: guys, when you were in those bars and you
Speaker Rik Morgan: saw devil standing there, why don't you just zap him and you're
Speaker Rik Morgan: done, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Maybe the bars are more powerful. I don't know.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Anyways, kiss wins, and they're in there gonna sing.
Speaker Rik Morgan: You got it. Rock and roll all night and then when
Speaker Rik Morgan: the song ends, we cut back to Devereaux's desk. And Devereaux
Speaker Rik Morgan: sitting at his desk, but they won't show him. And they're all like,
Speaker Rik Morgan: she's like, the girl's there. Melissa's like, you gotta give Sam back to me.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And he's like, I don't think he can hear you.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Okay. So they.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Sam standing there, and Paul just
Speaker Rik Morgan: goes. Pulls down this collar of his shirt and
Speaker Rik Morgan: sees a little transistor that's on his neck.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And he just pulls the transistor off and then, you know. Sounds fine,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Paul. Just go, let's see. If I was
Speaker Rik Morgan: gonna make a robot person, I'd have a transistor right
Speaker Rik Morgan: there on their neck. You get.
Speaker Joseph Henson: It's gotta be where Paul can see it. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker Joseph Henson: where anyone can see. It's a hunch, right? I mean, yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it could have been on his waistline. It could have been anywhere. But I just.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Third knuckle.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And then. So Sam comes back to being human, and him
Speaker Rik Morgan: and Melissa are happy. And then they turn around, Devereux in his chair, and he's
Speaker Rik Morgan: aged. Why?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Don't know. It's like a. Like a. It's like a Dracula
Speaker Johnny Krueg: store, like subplot. They never said anything about.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I think you're your. Why is an all encompassing question to this entire
Speaker Joseph Henson: film. It's very true. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it doesn't make a lick of sense, but it didn't matter because right after that,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they start playing God of Thunder live on stage.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's why the movie is the. Best part of the movie, by the way.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Not just because it's ending, but because it's ending on a good song. And you
Speaker Johnny Krueg: don't have to hear part party all night again. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So there you go, guys. There's the incredible,
Speaker Rik Morgan: not so incredible, great memory of mine.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Kiss meets the phantom. I would have loved
Speaker Johnny Krueg: to see an audience reaction to this movie.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, well, again, this was made for tv, right? I mean, so this
Speaker Rik Morgan: was not supposed to be thrown shown in. No, I just. I just mean,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like. Like when you said that they went to the premiere before it aired.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, yeah, yeah. And, yeah, yeah, I've seen. I've seen pictures
Speaker Rik Morgan: of them. Like, actually, you know, sitting there watching it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. I mean. I mean, there's this. What is
Speaker Rik Morgan: it? Kiss extreme close up, I think, is the name
Speaker Rik Morgan: of the documentary. And pause. You know, that's where he says that
Speaker Rik Morgan: I was literally just trying to slither out of my chair and
Speaker Rik Morgan: find a way to sneak out of that theater. They were probably hoping
Speaker Joseph Henson: the check would clear so they can, you know, go buy their new boat or
Speaker Joseph Henson: whatever. Because this. This film would
Speaker Joseph Henson: worry you if they're gonna pay you or not. Yeah. Like the
Speaker Joseph Henson: production rolling in the hand of our barracks. The real story
Speaker Rik Morgan: of this band. So there's. There's a level
Speaker Rik Morgan: of kiss fandom, right? Because when they
Speaker Rik Morgan: started, it was all black and silver,
Speaker Rik Morgan: hardcore, kind of just. Just rock and roll.
Speaker Rik Morgan: No bells and whistles. I mean, they still had a good stage show,
Speaker Rik Morgan: but it was more adult. And just like with
Speaker Rik Morgan: everything great that happens, they get popular. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: well, think about it. In our time, right, there was a time where kids were
Speaker Rik Morgan: having Rambo toys. You know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: when you think about how ridiculous that is, that's how ridiculous this was. They got
Speaker Rik Morgan: so big that it became a kids thing. And they said that they would
Speaker Rik Morgan: notice that by the time 77 78 rolled around,
Speaker Rik Morgan: they look out in a crowd and there was, you know, parents there with your
Speaker Rik Morgan: kids, and that's the majority of their crowd there for a while. And they're
Speaker Rik Morgan: like, man, we're doing something wrong. It's the Freddy Krueger phenomenon.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. I mean, it's. It's a weird situation.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They got so big and ended up, you know, of course they said
Speaker Rik Morgan: that it gets addictive, too, because once you get a taste of the.
Speaker Rik Morgan: The pop life and just how much money and access come with that,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you just want more of it. More of it. And you end up destroying everything,
Speaker Rik Morgan: which is literally what they did. I mean, this is a.
Speaker Rik Morgan: A five year period from when they started to
Speaker Rik Morgan: being where they were at this point to where this is the year that they
Speaker Rik Morgan: released double platinum, which obviously
Speaker Rik Morgan: shipped double platinum. And they released four solo albums.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They all did solo albums apiece. You know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: that's. That's how big they were. Just that there was Kiss Dolls,
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss pinball machine. I mean, kiss everything.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. And they're still. They're still really popular today. Like, in 2021.
Speaker Joseph Henson: It's like if they can survive this, you know, that they can pretty much survive
Speaker Joseph Henson: until they, you know, until there, they can't play. That's a testament to
Speaker Johnny Krueg: their. To their brand.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, but they also realized where it went wrong, too.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And course, when you got, you know, Bill. Billecoin Washington,
Speaker Rik Morgan: legendary, you know, manager, too. So he knew
Speaker Rik Morgan: how to. How to get money out of everything. And that was
Speaker Rik Morgan: part of it, too. I mean, that's what made them the machine that they were.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I mean, they merchandised everything. And Gene
Speaker Rik Morgan: kind of still carried that on. Right. I mean, there's kiss toilet paper everything.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And that's. I mean, it's ridiculous.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Yeah. It's called kiss me some phantom of the park.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, that was good. Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: man. So luckily,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, around 82, they kind of got
Speaker Rik Morgan: their senses back and made creatures of the night, which is their heaviest album they
Speaker Rik Morgan: ever made, so, you know. Well, I take that back.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It's the heaviest album up until.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Revenge. Maybe after revenge, there was. What was the album they
Speaker Rik Morgan: did after that? That was more of the alternative kind of album.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Carnival of souls. Yeah. Oh, carnival.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I was thinking Psycho circus, but is that something different?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Psycho Circus was the reunion of the original four members,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and only two of the original members really played on most of
Speaker Rik Morgan: it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I hated that album, actually, because I knew it wasn't them.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Right. I mean, I could tell. It's like, that's not Pete playing drums.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It's, you know, I don't know. It was. It was fabricated. And they tried too
Speaker Rik Morgan: hard. Instead of. Instead of getting four guys back together, putting them
Speaker Rik Morgan: in a room and let them jam and come up with songs, they were trying
Speaker Rik Morgan: to create songs that hit high points in all the
Speaker Rik Morgan: decades, you know, that they were from. So they tried to give Pete another
Speaker Rik Morgan: Beth kind of song. They gave Ace another shock be kind of song.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They did some songs where they sang two or three lines apiece in
Speaker Rik Morgan: each song, which goes back to the earlier days. So they were. They were trying
Speaker Rik Morgan: to hit all the tick marks and satisfy all the kiss fans instead of just
Speaker Rik Morgan: making a good. You know what's funny? The last. I mean, I know it's not
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the same band or anything or type of music, but the last offspring
Speaker Johnny Krueg: album they put out, like, ten years ago was the same way.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Like, it was like every song was from a different album that they put out.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's. I don't know, man.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I think. I think you can. You can see through that stuff. So,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, this timeframe,
Speaker Rik Morgan: even though this. This movie doesn't really reflect it,
Speaker Rik Morgan: this around this time points, my. Probably my favorite kiss time,
Speaker Rik Morgan: because this is Love gun. Destroyer. Rock and roll over.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That's just some of my favorite records that they did because they
Speaker Rik Morgan: were, you know, Destroyer was over produced because it's Bob
Speaker Rik Morgan: Ezrinae, but it's their most popular album.
Speaker Rik Morgan: But rock and roll over is raw. Love Gun is raw.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And from there, they just kind of lost it because they did
Speaker Rik Morgan: the solo albums. And then Dynasty came out, which had, you know, the disco song
Speaker Rik Morgan: on it. So, yeah, that's when it was starting to really.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Disco song.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Oh, crap. You were made
Speaker Joseph Henson: for loving me. Oh, yeah. I had no
Speaker Joseph Henson: idea that was kiss. Oh, wow.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Yeah. Their biggest hit.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: They charted the highest, I guess it
Speaker Johnny Krueg: sounds like the. Sounds like the theme song to the kisses.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, and here's another thing you got to remember, too. This is why
Speaker Rik Morgan: I can go in the whole history of this band, but they were on Casablanca
Speaker Rik Morgan: records, so besides, kiss is the one that kept the lights
Speaker Rik Morgan: on, for sure. But Casablanca was known as pretty
Speaker Rik Morgan: much, you know, how you got Motown for all the r and b stuff.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Casablanca was disco. They were the biggest disco
Speaker Rik Morgan: production company out there. I mean, they had Donna Summer,
Speaker Rik Morgan: village people, everybody at that time.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Casablanca was disco. So I'm sure
Speaker Rik Morgan: that because of the popularity of disco at the time, they probably nudged.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I know.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Bogart was. Neil Bogart, who owned Casablanca, probably nudged
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss. Hey, this stuff's hot. You guys need to jump on one of these.
Speaker Rik Morgan: And he would do that all the time. He'd tell them what kind
Speaker Rik Morgan: of song they needed to have. That's how they got rock and roll all night.
Speaker Rik Morgan: They didn't want to write that. They were told to. Wow, that's. I mean,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: good on whoever told them to, I guess, because that. I mean, that song plays
Speaker Johnny Krueg: on the local stations here every, you know, 20 minutes on a loop.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I think that song played, played, played during this whole podcast, actually. This is getting
Speaker Johnny Krueg: royalties from short, but. I can make that happen.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah, Gene, at least. All right, guys, so,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: yeah, what, what. What are some good lessons from a
Speaker Johnny Krueg: bad movie? You guys took away from this.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Kisses the devil. And you
Speaker Rik Morgan: can use kiss music to make people turn on each other and kill each other
Speaker Rik Morgan: and tear down amusement parks. I'd say
Speaker Joseph Henson: Paul Stanley, his need to give a lot of exposition
Speaker Joseph Henson: coined the phrase kiss position. So that's. I took
Speaker Joseph Henson: that from that. From this film. Oh, man. The only thing I got from this
Speaker Johnny Krueg: was that theme parks are run by moronse.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Well, that's kind of true, actually. So. Well, I learned you're not supposed to
Speaker Rik Morgan: piss off the security guards because. Easy, cat. Man,
Speaker Rik Morgan: these guys are serious.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, man. What about. What were they thinking? Any of those moments besides
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the entire movie?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Gee, I don't know where to start on that one. Right.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. Just the. The whole concept of why they made this. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it's obviously a money grab, just like jaws three or jaws
Speaker Rik Morgan: for. Right. I mean, it's. It's not needed. Shut your mouth about Jaws
Speaker Johnny Krueg: 3D.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Hey, I'm guilty of liking Mister Iron Eagle
Speaker Rik Morgan: in it.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Absolutely. You can't handle the loo.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah. This whole movie is just a big. What were they thinking?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Because obviously,
Speaker Rik Morgan: whoever got the money off of this kiss was thinking, we're gonna
Speaker Rik Morgan: make a big paycheck. But nobody thought about anything
Speaker Rik Morgan: about this. Movie, really, for me. I.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah, I'm wondering. Yeah, I'm wondering if it broke, if it had any kind of
Speaker Joseph Henson: profit at all. I don't think. Oh, yeah. So had four profits.
Speaker Rik Morgan: I was telling Johnny,
Speaker Rik Morgan: ah, like I said,
Speaker Rik Morgan: the biggest tv show at this time was showgun with Richard Chamberlain.
Speaker Rik Morgan: This thing was. A mini series was on. This thing was breaking records left and
Speaker Rik Morgan: right. And this came on the same night that
Speaker Rik Morgan: shogun came on. And nobody watched Showgun.
Speaker Rik Morgan: So this. This thing did what it was supposed to do, man.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: For me, it was, you know, is the Illuminati all seeing,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: all hearing eye in this. The all
Speaker Johnny Krueg: hearing eye was my. What are they thinking? Oh, as it was, soon as he
Speaker Johnny Krueg: started saying them in that. In that sepia tone and.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: And you could hear the dialogue through his eyeball,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I was like, what? Yeah, it's high tech.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I think my. What were they thinking is it's like, how many times do we
Speaker Joseph Henson: need to hear that kiss is the biggest group on the planet? And so we
Speaker Joseph Henson: know this, right? It's like, as you know, kiss is playing here tonight and they
Speaker Joseph Henson: are the biggest group on the planet. Five minutes later, kiss is gonna be here
Speaker Joseph Henson: tomorrow and they're the biggest group on the planet. Where's. What were you thinking
Speaker Rik Morgan: saying.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: What about upgrades? How would you upgrade this?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Well, ironically enough, as far as what you can do for
Speaker Rik Morgan: upgrades, that first version of the movie that I sent you
Speaker Rik Morgan: pissed me off because they did cut a lot of the cheese out
Speaker Rik Morgan: of it which made it a. Just a very dull,
Speaker Rik Morgan: bad movie at that point. But they did
Speaker Rik Morgan: change out some of the songs and they put some songs from the solo albums
Speaker Rik Morgan: on there. It's just the whole. The whole Hanna
Speaker Rik Morgan: Barbera thing really hurts
Speaker Rik Morgan: it with all the sound effects, the, you know,
Speaker Rik Morgan: Scooby Doo sounding music in the background. I mean, you're just missing the zoinks
Speaker Rik Morgan: in there every once in a while, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: Space werewolves.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I'd say in addition
Speaker Joseph Henson: to all the kiss songs that we hear through this movie there's a lot of
Speaker Joseph Henson: footage of patrons on amusement park rides. I'd say
Speaker Joseph Henson: we needed less of that and more. Brian James.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Like I said in the very beginning of this episode, I think,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: man, I think if they had had somebody like Vincent Price and the. In the
Speaker Johnny Krueg: villain role because although the dude who played the villain in this has
Speaker Johnny Krueg: been in a lot of stuff, he just didn't have the charisma of what
Speaker Johnny Krueg: he. If they were gonna go for that full on Scooby Doo feeling,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: they needed, like, a. You know, like,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: was it Doctor Goldfoot and the bikini mission bombs?
Speaker Johnny Krueg: They needed that kind of thing going on.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Yeah, it's like his. It's like the guy who played Abner, he's like.
Speaker Joseph Henson: He had, like, no, like, you know, mystique about him or any kind of,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, evil charisma. It's like his worst infractions by stealing,
Speaker Joseph Henson: like, pins from the park. Oh. You know, this movie needed more.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Sneed.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Sneed.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: So it comes. It's that time. Then you guys gotta set this on the
Speaker Johnny Krueg: bus. And since Joseph is joining us, I think he
Speaker Johnny Krueg: should tell us where he says, since this movie on the bus.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah. Oh, well, I wouldn't put it in the back
Speaker Joseph Henson: because I did laugh a lot and, you know, I was entertained.
Speaker Joseph Henson: I mean, it's a terrible film. I mean, it's one of the worst I've ever
Speaker Joseph Henson: seen, honestly. But I would. I would put it
Speaker Joseph Henson: not exactly in the middle, maybe, like, before. Like,
Speaker Joseph Henson: the seat next to the last seat.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Yeah, same thing, man. I don't want to put it
Speaker Rik Morgan: all the way in the back, you know? And I. I do love
Speaker Rik Morgan: this movie as bad as it is, because, again, you're tied to it
Speaker Rik Morgan: emotionally as a kid, but, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker Rik Morgan: That doesn't defend the fact that it's a terrible movie. So. Yeah, I understand,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like, the dark power we just did. I mean, I. I enjoy
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the hell out of that, but I know it's not good. I would.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I would say this. Yes, second last. Like you guys said,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: it's. Because it's. It's not something like battlefield Earth or.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Or death nurse. It's not something that I'm just absolutely gonna
Speaker Johnny Krueg: take a crap all over.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Man. If Battlefield Earth only had space werewolves,
Speaker Rik Morgan: it matter. Death nurse. Oh, death nurse only had gene Simmons and
Speaker Rik Morgan: might have improved that one. Oh,
Speaker Rik Morgan: awesome. Well, man, Joseph, tell us.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Tell everybody what they can find your show at.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Hey, we're on apple, Stitcher,
Speaker Joseph Henson: Spotify, YouTube. Just search. The hysteria continues on
Speaker Joseph Henson: Google. If you like slasher films, you can find us on
Speaker Joseph Henson: several Blu ray releases from vinegar syndrome,
Speaker Joseph Henson: Arrow 88 films. Yeah, I mean, just type in
Speaker Joseph Henson: the name and we're somewhere. Yeah, these guys know their crap.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Oh, yeah, man. Like.
Speaker Joseph Henson: Well, when it comes to Nathan, yeah, it comes to Nathan. Yeah.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Guys on the show. And, like, every single one of them has,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: like, just an infinite amount of slasher knowledge.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: So, you know, it's.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Almost like I do with. I learn more about kissing this podcast
Speaker Johnny Krueg: then that I've known my entire life.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Dude. I'm gonna. I'm gonna send you both a link to a video,
Speaker Rik Morgan: which is pretty much the nail in the coffin for the original lineup of
Speaker Rik Morgan: kiss, where they're on the Tom Snyder show on
Speaker Rik Morgan: Halloween night. And you literally
Speaker Rik Morgan: see it fall apart. Cuz aces,
Speaker Rik Morgan: he's messed up on something, and it just goes downhill so
Speaker Rik Morgan: fast. You can see Gene and Paul getting so pissed.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Oh, yeah. So I gotta send you all that. And y'all check it out.
Speaker Rik Morgan: It is. It is. It is legendary. I mean,
Speaker Rik Morgan: every kiss fan just, you know, this is like one of those great
Speaker Rik Morgan: things that you get to see because you literally see the. The band dude
Speaker Johnny Krueg: you were talking about, too.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because I didn't live through
Speaker Johnny Krueg: the height of, you know, kiss mania, so it's cool to
Speaker Johnny Krueg: kind of, like, brush up on that stuff. Yeah,
Speaker Rik Morgan: yeah. I mean, as, you know, the people that don't
Speaker Rik Morgan: get it, they don't get it. I mean, that's fine. But you don't have
Speaker Rik Morgan: arena rock. You don't have,
Speaker Rik Morgan: you know, Slipknot, Marilyn Manson, all these other bands without
Speaker Rik Morgan: this band, you really don't. I mean, they. They were the
Speaker Rik Morgan: ones that really made it happen. And they took a little bit
Speaker Rik Morgan: from Lou Reed, they took a little bit from Alice Cooper,
Speaker Rik Morgan: dated boy, in a way, from the fantastical kind of part,
Speaker Rik Morgan: and it just exploded. And the
Speaker Rik Morgan: people think that was only about the theatrics is totally
Speaker Rik Morgan: missing the point, because there's some. Like I said, like, I mean,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I don't know a lot of their music, but God of thunder has always been
Speaker Johnny Krueg: a pretty badass song.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I was a. I was a toddler at the.
Speaker Joseph Henson: At the height of their popularity, but I did see them on the revenge tour,
Speaker Joseph Henson: and I had that album. I wore that album out like. Like it was nobody's
Speaker Joseph Henson: business. But I've never been. I've never been super crazy about kiss. But I
Speaker Joseph Henson: do concede that they are, you know, outside of their image. They're very
Speaker Joseph Henson: talented musicians and they put that, you know, they write great songs
Speaker Joseph Henson: as well. So other than, you know, revenge.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Revenge was kind of like the return to the original feel of kiss for
Speaker Rik Morgan: all of us die hard fans because it was a little more raw,
Speaker Rik Morgan: very. Tongue in cheek, but heavy as well.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Heavy, yeah. And, well, that's a great of great writers all
Speaker Johnny Krueg: around. Greatness in the entertainment industry.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I would like to put it out there that our next episode of short bus
Speaker Johnny Krueg: is going to be a huge one. It's going to be a massive episode.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: I mean, just heavy hitter all the way.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: And you guys have to stay tuned to see what that is,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: though. Yep. Because.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Absolutely. Joseph, man, very miss. Sounds very mysterious.
Speaker Johnny Krueg: Oh, yeah. Thanks, dude. Joseph, appreciate you coming on with us,
Speaker Johnny Krueg: man. Yeah, yeah. Anytime. Oh, yeah. We'll see
Speaker Rik Morgan: you next episode. Two dudes, right?
Speaker Rik Morgan: All right, Johnny, you got anything else?
Speaker Rik Morgan: All right, everybody, take it easy. We will see you later.
Speaker Rik Morgan: Adios. Peace.
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