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In this insightful episode of 'The Real Retirement Show', hosts Yasmin and Kathleen conduct an in-depth conversation with Candy Barone, an executive coach and human design expert. Candy explains the concept of human design and its emphasis on individuality. She sheds light on how understanding one's unique human design can bring clarity and alignment, especially during transitional phases like retirement. The trio discusses how understanding and embracing our unique energy patterns can enhanc...
In this insightful episode of 'The Real Retirement Show', hosts Yasmin and Kathleen conduct an in-depth conversation with Candy Barone, an executive coach and human design expert. Candy explains the concept of human design and its emphasis on individuality. She sheds light on how understanding one's unique human design can bring clarity and alignment, especially during transitional phases like retirement. The trio discusses how understanding and embracing our unique energy patterns can enhance our relationships, and help individuals navigate life-changing transitions like retirement. Referencing personal anecdotes and real-life scenarios, Candy illustrates the impact of human design on daily life and interactions. The conversation also reflects on the importance of self-awareness and authenticity in finding our purpose and attaining a satisfying retirement.
0:00 Introduction: The Challenges of Retirement
00:47 Welcome to the Real Retirement Show
01:55 Meet Our Special Guest: Candy Barone
02:56 Understanding Alignment in Retirement
04:20 Personal Experiences with Human Design
05:20 The Concept of Alignment in Retirement
09:19 The Impact of Misalignment
09:33 Understanding Your Energetic Blueprint
22:52 Understanding Human Design
27:25 Applying Human Design to Retirement Challenges
29:09 Shifting Energy and Self-Care
29:45 Navigating Life Purpose with Astrological Charts
30:19 Understanding Your Purpose and Identity
30:36 The Power of Giving Yourself Permission
31:02 The Impact of Childhood on Our Identity
31:18 Exploring Personal Charts and Relationships
31:45 Understanding Energy Absorption and Prioritization
32:57 The Importance of Environment and Intuition
33:44 The Challenge of Letting Go
34:27 The Dynamics of Relationships and Communication
47:55 The Role of Human Design in Retirement Planning
49:45 The Importance of Satisfaction in Retirement
51:53 Addressing Depression in Retirement
56:11 Final Thoughts and Resources
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About Candy Barone
Candy Barone is heart-centered soul guide and leader. Through her unique frameworks, Human Design, and training. she guides individuals and teams through conscious leadership transformation, where they learn how to powerfully influence and create impact from a space of deep authenticity, compassion, integrity, aligned and grace. She is an executive coach, Amazon best-selling author, and the hose of the Aligned As F*ck Podcast.
Candy is a catalyst in bringing a new perspective to how we define, model and activate leadership, "soul leadership." Candy teaches people how to lead from love, with love, and that leadership is ultimately a choice. Everyone’s choice. She emphasizes that leadership is everyone's opportunity AND everyone's responsibility. It starts with learning how to lead yourself, and truly become aligned in who you truly are.
She’s been showcased in publications and spaces such as CNN.com, U.S. News & World Report, The Austin Statesman, Austin Business Journal, The Chicago Tribune, ciLiving TV and has served as a panel facilitator for Fast Company at SXSW, among numerous radio shows, magazine and podcasts.
Candy lives in Austin with her sweet puppy, Ernie Banks, and serves clients internationally. You can learn more about Candy’s work here: https://www.candybarone.com
Also, if you’re interested in getting a 1:1 Human Design Reading with Candy, you can schedule yours here: Reading
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Yasmin Nguyen: Have you ever
asked yourself what's my purpose
now that I'm retired?
Have you ever noticed friction
between you and your loved ones
now that you have more time on
your hands?
If so, you're not alone.
One of the top challenges men
face during retirement is
feeling relevant.
For women, it's being seen.
What often causes stress,
anxiety, frustration, conflict
and depression is misalignment
with the things we do and how we
interact in our relationships.
Alignment means making sure our
actions and choices really
match up with who we are and
what we want.
Welcome back to the Real
Retirement Show.
My name is Yasmin here with my
co-host, kathleen.
In this show we delve into the
multifaceted world of retirement
beyond the finances.
This isn't your typical
retirement discussion.
It's a vibrant journey into
what retirement truly means in
today's world.
We bring you real stories from
real retirees and experts
discussing real challenges,
surprises, joys, heartaches and
the myriad emotions that come
with retirement.
From addressing family dynamics
to mental and physical health,
to finding purpose, we tackle
the issues that truly matter to
retirees and those thinking
about retirement.
Today's episode is all about
getting to the heart of what you
really want out of retirement
and how to make it happen.
You're going to get some
straightforward, practical
advice on how to better
understand yourself and your
needs as you navigate this new
chapter.
We're talking about the kind of
understanding that can make the
difference between feeling lost
and feeling like you're on the
right path.
Our special guest is Candy
Barone.
Candy isn't your average
executive coach.
She's a tree shaker, change
catalyst and transformational
leader who's got a knack for
helping people see the big
picture of their lives and make
changes that stick, especially
as they move into retirement.
She's an executive coach,
fortune 500 speaker, amazon
bestselling author and the host
of the Aligned as F podcast.
She's been showcased in
publications and spaces such as
CNNcom, us News and World Report
, the Austin Statesman, austin
Business Journal, the Chicago
Tribune, and has served as a
panel facilitator for fast
company at South by Southwest.
She's worked with organizations
including the US Army Reserve,
corps of Engineer, ge Healthcare
, cox Media, rockwell Automation
, duke University, northwestern
University, northwestern Mutual,
to just name a few.
She's here with us to share her
expertise on creating alignment
in our lives, understanding the
unique blueprint that makes you
you through human design, and
improving the way we communicate
and interact with the important
people in our lives.
Candy has a talent for breaking
down complex ideas into
practical steps that anyone can
follow.
She's going to help us
understand how being in
alignment can transform our
retirement into the fulfilling
chapter we all hope for.
With her guidance, we'll
explore human design, a tool
that offers insights into our
personal strengths and
challenges, helping us make
decisions that feel right.
But that's not all.
Candy will also delve into how
we can use this knowledge to
enhance our relationships,
whether it's our spouse, family
or friends.
Better communication and
understanding can lead to more
meaningful connections and less
friction, something we can all
benefit from in retirement.
So if you're curious about how
to align your retirement life
with your true self, discovering
your energetic blueprint and
operating plan, or just looking
to improve your relationships,
this episode is for you.
Let's get started and uncover
how these insights can make your
retirement not just comfortable
but truly rewarding.
Towards the end of last year, I
was really struggling with a
lot of change, a lot of
transitions, both with moving,
turning 50, re-evaluating my
work and my purpose and I was
really in a funk and in our
conversations and doing a
reading, and in learning more
about human design, it has
really helped me not only get
clarity, but it's also helped me
get re-energized and focused
and excited about what's ahead,
and also helped me better
understand myself and also some
of the things that I wasn't
quite sure about, so I wanted to
thank you for just the impact
that you've made, even in the
short period of time that we've
gotten a chance to explore this
together.
Candy Barone: Well, thank you
for that.
That just actually makes my
heart so happy and it's why I do
what I do.
It's been really cool to watch
what's opened up for you as a
result of you better
understanding some of that
energetic language and what's
showing up for you, so it's been
my honor, for sure.
Yasmin Nguyen: I'd like to kick
off by asking you, kandi, about
this concept of alignment and
why it's so important as we just
explore this particular chapter
in our lives, as we step into a
transition or, in this case,
retirement.
Candy Barone: I think that's a
great question.
Alignment is an important
conversation, no matter where
you're at in your life, and
particularly as you're in a
transition to walk away from
where you probably have
identified yourself on a level
that, when you start to step
away in a retirement capacity,
this sense of identity, this
sense of direction, where does
it go?
Where does it go?
So many people have been so
deeply conditioned in the work
or in the environments or by
their career that trying to find
their way back to their true
essence can be a bit of a
journey.
And I think, as they explore
what does alignment really mean
to them?
There's a lot of things that
they have to unlearn through
that process.
Our culture devalues a lot of
people's sense of identity and
sense of purpose, because it's
that space of okay, you're done,
and I guess you're just going
to go sit on a golf course and
not do anything.
And for a lot of people they've
actually put their heart's
deepest desires on hold or a
back burner to do their career
and they've been waiting till
that space where they can
actually live in a more
authentic, aligned capacity.
So that how you help them get
there for me I think that's
everything I think to help bring
them back to a sense of meaning
and purpose.
It really starts in how do they
get aligned for themselves
first.
Kathleen Mundy: You can be
really thrilled to have this
conversation with you today,
because I think it's so
important that people shed some
of the things that have been
imposed upon them through
careers or through raising
families, and when they reach a
point in their life where
there's going to be change.
And how do we prepare for that
change?
I think it's really elementary
to develop a system that helps
the process, because it's
something you just absolutely
cannot do it alone.
It takes so much longer and
you'll hit bumps to the road and
, oh my God, your journey can be
really problematic.
So I'm thrilled to have an
opportunity to discuss this with
you today and help our audience
understand some of the tools
that they can use along this
path.
Candy Barone: Well and I love
that, just to play off that,
because it doesn't look the same
for everyone either, and I
think that's one of the biggest
opportunities in this
conversation is what feels
aligned for me, in my energy and
in my authenticity is not what
feels aligned for someone else.
I think there's a lot of
shitting and shaming that
happens in that space as well.
You should want to travel right
now.
I'm going to tell you that when
I retire, I don't want to
travel.
I've spent most of my life on
the road.
I actually want to be left to
look a little bit.
So it's that space of
understanding and having some
space in grace to recognize that
this journey is very personal,
and I look at alignment as being
a deeper walk in your own path,
which I am very clear that
spirituality in and of itself is
a personal journey.
So then, that alignment into
that true essence of who you are
it doesn't look the same for
everybody either.
Kathleen Mundy: One of the
things that we discovered very
early on this project is that no
two people are alike in their
plan or what retirement is going
to look like for them, and so
this meshes beautifully with
what you've just explained to us
.
I did notice a difference in
the last year with Yasmin's
mindset.
The curiosity that he's always
shown was slowed down.
It took a different beat
because I go at sixth gear and I
noticed that he was
downshifting a little bit, if I
can use that analogy.
Yasmin Nguyen: Part of what
you've noticed, Kathleen, was I
was feeling misalignment.
There are parts of me that I
couldn't go to sixth gear.
I was stuck in third and so,
Kandi, I wonder if you could
share how are the different ways
in which misalignment might
show up?
Candy Barone: Yeah, so I will
make sure I don't go down too
many rabbit holes.
That is a very loaded question
because, again, the answer
really is different for each
person, depending on what shows
up in their chart, and so when I
talk about their chart, it is
their human design or the
operating plan of who they are.
It's an energetic blueprint.
So, for example, one of the key
areas that that would show up
is, if you're looking at your
chart, there are areas that are
colored on your chart.
That is what's known as
definition.
You have consistent access to
that energy, so it is an energy
you're broadcasting into the
world 24-7.
It's where your gifts and your
superpowers and you're just
innate way you show up and how
you operate.
The white areas on your chart,
or the openness in your chart,
is where most people are
successful and acceptable to
really getting knocked out of
alignment, because that is the
area where imposter syndrome
kicks in.
It is the area where we are
prone to burnout, because it is
the area where we are shitting
and shaming ourselves in every
capacity and we are taking in,
we are absorbing, we are
amplifying the energy of
everyone around us, the
environments around us.
So if you haven't done the work
to know how to discern what
energy is yours or what energy
feels good to you, or what
actually is alignment for you.
You can get taken out by that
influx of energy that you are
constantly sampling and
amplifying, and for a lot of
people, they haven't learned the
practice of how to discharge
that out of their body.
So what happens is it starts
building and building, and
building, and building, and then
it starts ricocheting all
around their body and they don't
know what to do with it, which
pulls them out of alignment, and
they start showing up in ways
that don't feel true to who they
are.
They show up either depressed,
or they show up angry, or they
show up in third gear instead of
sixth gear, and oftentimes
those open areas, depending on
what they look like in your
chart, are areas for rest,
recharge, restoration,
reflection, slowing down to
speed up, because, regardless of
your design, we all have
patterns of waiting and we all
need to rest and we all need to
learn how to take care of
ourselves, and so any of those
combinations, just on a surface
level, could be a huge factor of
what pulls somebody out of
alignment.
Kathleen Mundy: That speaks
directly to me.
There's no question, because
when you're going in sixth gear
and that's your wheelhouse you
have to learn how to slow down
and recover and do some
self-care because you're right.
Candy Barone: All of that other
stuff can really affect your
insights as well and how you
process things Well and just to
say this, because I know Yasmin
had sent me your information as
well so I could look at your
chart your charts couldn't be
more different.
So when you are in sixth gear,
yasmin needs to remind himself
that he is in no way, shape or
form, here to keep up with you.
You are what's known as a
manifest, or you're blazing a
path.
You had this very bark kind of
energy that when it's lit up, it
gets very big and you're
initiating things.
Yasmin has a more consistent
cadence to how he works.
When he's lit up, though, he
does have an amplification of
power, but you two couldn't be
more different.
So that's another thing that
pulls people out of alignment is
we spend too much time worrying
about somebody else's energy,
and the fact that we do this
whole comparison itists.
Or we do this whole people
pleasing or we do whatever.
It is that knocks us further
out of alignment, because we
keep going.
Why can't I act like?
Why am I not more level like
Yasmin?
I'm a manifesting generator.
There's nothing level about my
energy.
It comes in pulses.
It's either on or it's off, and
there's zero in between.
I think even the first time I
met Yasmin and introduced him to
my friends.
I was like he's just this light
.
He's this really soft, gorgeous
, just steady light, and it
actually brings tears in my eyes
because I'm absolutely not.
I'm going to come in and the
whole tablecloth's getting
disrupted.
There's a lot of energy that
comes in and so I think when you
understand that about yourself,
there's a responsibility that
you take that says I need to
learn how to do me and stop
thinking I'm supposed to be
something other than owning.
This is how my energy is wired
and right.
It's that in conversation,
because your chart, you couldn't
be more different.
There isn't a wow, kathleen's
in sixth gear and I'm in third,
and it might be exactly where
you need to be based on what
you're going through at that
time.
Yasmin Nguyen: That's so
interesting because literally
yesterday, kathleen and I had a
conversation, because you helped
me understand and discern our
differences.
As a generator, once I ramp up
from third to sixth gear, I'm on
sixth gear but Kathleen has
downshifted.
I've noticed recently I am
going full speed on our projects
and I know that Kathleen needs
rest and is at a different pace,
and I was mindful to reach out
and saying, hey, I don't have
the expectation that you are in
sixth gear with me, it's just,
this is where I'm at and this is
how I operate, and it gives us
permission to really embrace
where we are and not feel like
there's an expectation of each
other.
So thank you for that
discernment.
Kathleen Mundy: Absolutely Thank
you for that, because one of
the things that I've experienced
through a very long business
world that was the life I was in
.
It was really difficult and no
one has ever up until Yasmin
said that the other day
appreciated that I might need
just some recovery time.
No one's ever said what he said
to me.
No one's ever said I understand
, we work at different pace.
The thought was there, the
intention came through very
clearly and maybe that speed in
which I often show up as it gets
depleted pretty quickly as well
.
And it's what you said you're
either on 100% or you're zero.
You use all of that very
quickly.
I do have to learn how to
accept the element of others not
working at the same pace.
So when I think it's time to
slow down, yasmin's going like a
crazy bird.
That's like a little energized
bunny.
He just goes and goes and goes
Over 100%.
Yeah, oh, no, 200%, but yeah,
yeah, yeah.
Candy Barone: And you just being
around that sometimes.
So this is what you need to
understand from your openness
you being around that sometimes
can be exhausting and take you
out.
So you need to understand that
when he's working like that,
it's probably not best that
you're in those environments,
because you're going to feel
this amplified pressure of why
am I not getting shit done?
I got to go, oh yeah.
And then you feel instead you
need to go.
Who is any of this?
Mine, no, and the discernment.
And then, if you feel any build
up of pressure, go take a walk,
shake your body, discharge it
out of your system, because when
he's in go time, you need to
actually be away from him.
He will actually get inspired by
your go time, but he cannot
interrupt you when you're in
flow, kathleen.
He can't interrupt you because
then there's where that burst of
creativity has to pop and go
somewhere or anybody else.
So you got to really inform.
I need to go deep today.
Today is the day I'm going to
cave.
Leave me alone.
I want to do this because I
think you might even have caves
as your environment, like me.
So, yes, you like to have your
back up against wall, you like
to know where your entrances are
and you don't always like
people in your space when you're
working.
So really important that you
inform and say Yasmin, I don't
need you to text me, call me
anything for the next four hours
.
I've got something I'm working
on.
When you come out Awesome
Yasmin you can actually
interrupt in between what he's
doing.
He can get right back into his
flow.
But when he's in, that big
energy you need to like find a
different way to play it.
When he's there, I get stressed,
you don't feel very
overwhelming, like you're
choking on energy.
Kathleen Mundy: You'll be like
how how, how, how, how, how.
Candy Barone: How, how, how, how
, how.
Kathleen Mundy: And it's
interesting because I can
interrupt him.
Yep and I do I've read your
track.
Candy Barone: I've got your
track.
Kathleen Mundy: He has a cadence
.
He has a cadence.
Yeah, but if somebody
interrupts me, whoa.
Candy Barone: The wheels come
off and you are about to go for
the jugular, uh-huh.
Kathleen Mundy: That's
incredible.
One of the things I think you
can help prevent is the guilt
that people have.
Candy Barone: One of the things
I'm itching to say, and what you
just shared, is the fact that
you, as a manifestor because
that is the type that you are
you are not designed to fit in
the current world we live in.
You are 8% of the population.
You are not here to fit in a
generator world and Yasmin is
what's known as a generator.
He is the energizer bunny when
he is in the right spaces that
light him up and he has this
extra power, energy in his chart
as well.
So when it feels delightful and
expansive and he's responding,
his whole strategy is to respond
to the things that feel in his
gut Right Like it's the things
that feel juicy and good and
delightful and expansive.
When he's lit up, in that, he's
here to do the heavy lifting
work for a long cadence, to go
through this blastomastry, and
then he'll hit kind of a resting
spot, but it's this very deep,
rich, like work that is ongoing.
So that is where he is in
alignment and in aspects of his
chart.
You, on the other hand,
kathleen, is what's known as a
manifestor and you are 8% of the
population.
You are a spark.
You are here to ignite and
initiate and oftentimes not
follow through on completing
things, it will completely take
you out.
You also have what's known as
this nonverbal creative flow,
which means when that spark of
inspiration comes in, now you
are an emotional manifestor, so
you might have to wait over time
to make sure it's the right
spark, because you have openness
in your head and you can get
into shiny squirrel syndromes.
Where you get these downloads,
you're like, oh my God, yes, and
oh my God, yes, and oh my God,
yes, and you're starting 20,000
things.
When you need to get dialed in
to start the right things, you
then get into what's known as a
nonverbal creative flow.
One of the biggest things you
need to remember is, while
you're here to initiate, there
is a step you need to take first
.
So when the download or the
spark of inspiration hits you,
you need to slow down enough to
inform those that are going to
be impacted that you're about to
set their world on fire because
you are here to disrupt, you
are here to create new and you
comparing yourself to any
generator is a waste of time
because you're creating things
that have never been created.
And so those spark of
inspirations, you might just
need to say, yasmin, I'm about
to go into a deep hole for like
four hours and I got this idea
and I need to run, and what
happens is Yasmin then gets
initiated based on you being in
the authentic alignment of how
that spark is going through your
system.
So you're not necessarily going
.
I need you to do this.
He then responds based on your
initiation and feels like he
then knows what work he needs to
do.
As a result, or you initiate
him to do the work he needs to
do.
That might be separate and a
manifestor.
When they're in that nonverbal
creative flow, you go until the
flow is done.
If something or someone
disrupts you.
This is why you need to inform,
because if someone disrupts you
when you're in that flow, you
get a burst of irrational anger
that pops because you have this
buildup of creativity and all of
a sudden then you're like I
don't know and it takes you
forever to get back in that flow
.
Your flows only last in these
pockets and when you're done
with the flow, go take a walk,
go do something else, go find
your inspiration, take a
freaking nap, but you are not
here to stay in that flow.
When the flow is telling you
that it's done, then it's time
to delegate, then it's time to
do whatever.
And then it's time to hand it
off to someone like Yasmin and
you're like do what you're going
to do, go maintain this thing.
I just created it, I don't want
to see it anymore and I'm out.
And that is something for you
two to really understand about
yourself, because otherwise what
happens is the guilt, the shame
, the shitting, the whole.
Oh my God, I can't.
If we were to function in that
way, imagine how different
business would be if we knew who
our manifestors were and who
our projectors were and who our
generators were.
And, like me, I'm a manifesting
generator.
So, while you have fast energy,
kathleen, you think Yasmin's an
energizer Bunny, be with me
when I'm lit up and all the
power in my chart.
You're not here to keep out
with me.
I have to actually coach people
to remind them.
You're not here to do work the
way I do, because when I get
into a blast, it's three days.
I don't sleep.
I'm lit up.
Last year in four days, at the
end of the year, I rebuilt my
website, re-dilled 17 landing
pages, overhauled several
programs in four days for most
people that would take them out
and then I slept for a week and
didn't do anything afterwards
because that my pulse was on and
then my pulse was off.
Kathleen Mundy: Wow, Yasmin
knows this about me I'm not very
often speechless, but I
certainly am at this point.
Yasmin Nguyen: Candy.
For those who may not be
familiar with what human design
is, could we take a quick step
back and paint the picture of
what human design is?
And you mentioned chart.
How does someone discover their
chart as well?
Candy Barone: Well, and I'll
actually start with what it's
not, because I think that's
important.
I think there's a lot of people
that have a misinterpretation
of what they think human design
is, and one is the fact that
people call it an assessment.
Think about what an assessment
is.
It's a series of questions that
you are responding to based on
your emotional state at the time
, your experiences, your filters
, your stuff.
It can change.
It is also very subjective.
In trying to put you into a
label or a box, human design is
an energetic blueprint that is a
synthesis of your time of birth
, date of birth and location.
It doesn't change how you
experience.
Your chart will change as you
heal and grow and learn, but
your human design chart does not
change.
It is also a synthesis of
Eastern philosophy and Western
science, meaning it brings in
the systems of the Aichinger,
the 64 hexagrams, it brings in
the cabala, or the tree of life.
It brings in astrology,
numerology, and it brings in the
evolved nine center chakra
system.
So that's the Eastern
philosophy side.
Then it brings in quantum
mechanics, quantum physics and
epigenetics.
So now you have this synthesis.
If you've ever seen the movie,
the best way I can explain this.
If anyone has ever seen the
Pixar movie Soul with Jamie Foxx
, when Jamie Foxx is like I want
to be a jazz musician and he
signs this little soul contract
and then he stands in a line
waiting for the portal to open
so he can go into the world as a
jazz musician.
That is your human design.
The other thing I will say is a
lot of people will tell you,
human design is who you are.
No, you have free will to
decide who you are at any point
and who you choose to become.
Human design is how you are.
It is an operating plan and
it's here to show you how you
give and use energy, how you
interact with the world and
others, how you work, rest and
play best, how you make
decisions that are aligned for
you how, how, how, how and it is
all about energy coming in or
going out.
Period.
It is physics.
Thank you for that.
One of the things I think is an
opportunity for us to dispel is
it's not that you need to learn
something or become something.
It's not that you got to go
seek or find something.
A lot of this process is
unlearning and unbecoming.
All of the layers of crap
you've put on yourself through
that guilt and that shaming and
that shitting.
It's more of an exploration or
contemplation, because I do
think people think they're going
to get into human design.
It's some kind of assessment
which it's not.
They want to figure it out.
Oh my God, how am I wired?
It doesn't work that way.
Human design meets you where
you're at and it is an ongoing
peeling back of an onion where
you get to sit with and explore
and contemplate the resonance
that shows up for where you're
at in your life.
We have certain things and not
to go too deep into this, but we
have things in our chart that
we are here to bump up against.
There are nuances we experience
depending on what we've healed,
what we've learned, what we've
experienced and where we've
gotten wise, in addition to
where we've deconditioned or
unprogrammed or pulled ourselves
out of the matrix to come back
in and understand our truth.
One of the first things we do
or I do with people in that
exploration is help them
understand the fundamental,
foundational aspects of the
chart, meaning just like when I
said between you and Yasmin
understanding which of the five
types you are.
It is the role you are here to
play.
Are you a manifestor,
manifesting generator, generator
, projector or reflector?
They have a very specific role
for how they're here to show up
to do the work to evolve us into
the next evolution of humanity
and ship consciousness.
It's a process of how do I
explore and contemplate and
allow human design to meet me
where I'm at.
Kathleen Mundy: If we had to say
to retirees who are searching
for methods to find purpose
after a massive career how can
you specifically predict a way
to have your human design help
you through those trying,
difficult times, whether it be
family dynamic changes or health
or wellness, all of the
elements that we have to deal
with in all of our life, but
certainly to a large extent
later in life.
Candy Barone: Yeah, I think
that's a beautiful question.
I'll go back to one of the
things I said.
In understanding where you're
opening your chart and where
you're defining, that is a huge
indicator of where you're taking
in fears of others or where
you're taking in things that are
further amplifying energy.
For example, if you have an
open solar plexus, you're taking
everybody else's emotion in and
you need to learn how to
discharge that.
That's one aspect.
The other is there are specific
things that show up in our
chart that show where we have
codependency tendencies.
For me, I have a tremendous
amount of codependency in my
chart, not just with people, but
with ideas, systems, my
business.
It has been part of my learning
on how can I untether.
I also have this control energy
that says I want to just fish
for people, because sometimes I
don't have the patience.
I need to learn how to one cut
those cords and remind myself
that there's power in teaching
people how to fish instead of
always going in to clean it up.
Those are things that, when I
understand that about myself, I
then can create practices to
fill my cut back up, to nourish
myself.
When you understand how you
recharge, how you replenish and
for many people, depending on
what your chart says.
Some people aren't here to
serve when the cup is full.
They really need to start
practicing serving from the
overflow based on what shows up
in their chart, because if they
only let themselves get full,
they get caught into some of
these cycles that then the grief
takes them out or the
codependency takes them out, and
so, again, when you look at
your specific nuances and you
start to understand the coding
that lives in those spaces, you
then can do what you need to
take care of yourself.
first, there is an energy we're
moving into that takes us out of
this definition of how we serve
that says when I take care of
me, I can take care of you.
What shifting is?
When I take care of me, all is
taken care of, and we need to
learn how to lead ourselves
first before we can think we can
be for everybody else.
And unfortunately a lot of
people have this very tethered,
codependent nurturing I need to
take care of everybody.
How do they shift that?
Because it's really hard to
figure out who you are when
you're still entrenched or
entangled in it.
Yasmin Nguyen: When you talk
about the chart, I'm curious are
there certain indicators in the
chart that help someone
especially men, but also women
as well to navigate that
question of what's next?
What's my purpose?
Where do I go from here?
Stepping into retirement?
Candy Barone: And this is going
to be a yes and kind of
conversation, because there are
places you can naturally look
and it's different for everybody
, but depending on what aspects
of your quote purpose, because a
lot of what human design does
is, it really is a pathway for
people to remember.
There is no.
I got to find my purpose.
There's no purpose outside of
you.
You are purpose, you are your
purpose, and when you understand
that and start to understand
the language and the coding of
what you brought into this world
, it gives you some freedom and
permission.
One of the biggest things I've
seen with people, especially in
a transition or going into
retirement, is there's a
permission that says, oh, I get
to be that, oh, and now that I
say that I can do it, just as a
freeing.
It's like the shackles go away,
and so a lot of it is helping
people create the space to give
themselves permission for what
they already know.
Well, maybe they didn't realize
, yes, or they forgotten right
For sure, because as children,
if you go back to when you were
really itty bitty, we all knew
who we were.
We may not have been able to
language it, but we came into
this world knowing who we were
and what we were here to do.
We just have forgotten that,
based on the culture and the
environments and the programming
, that's so powerful.
Yasmin Nguyen: I'm curious, as
you've looked at Kathleen's
chart, is there anything
particular that we affirm are
purpose?
Candy Barone: Yeah, and it's
interesting because I actually
should pull your chart when I'm
looking at this.
But I did look at Kathleen and
her husband's charts and what's
interesting is they have the
same birthday, different years.
A couple of things that were
interesting is you're going to
have some flavors that feel the
same, yet your charts could not
be more different, even though
you're both manifestors and same
with you and Yasmin.
There are areas where you're
going to be really in sync and
when you learn how to borrow the
energy from the other.
Who has that definition?
Because one of the things for
you, kathleen, that's really
important to know is you have
five of your nine centers open,
which means you are absorbing a
lot of energy from other people,
especially that generator
energy Meaning.
There is a natural pressure.
You have a almost wide open
route, so you have a natural
pressure to get stuff done and
want to get it off your plate
and get it all moving.
And there's sometimes where you
feel like you've got to go, go,
go.
And if somebody were like, hey,
I want you to come speak to our
group in two months, you're
like I need to put the slides
together today, like there's
almost an urgency.
That's unnecessary for you
because you're built, especially
if you're around someone like
me, who mine is the opposite of
yours.
My route is almost fully
defined.
So if we were working together
and Yasmin is a good example of
that he has a defined route as
well.
It's that space of you.
Don't need to work at my speed,
you don't need to hustle in
this capacity, and one of the
things you can borrow from
Yasmin is his sense of knowing
how to prioritize, his sense of
knowing how you know what that's
two months from now.
We don't need to worry about
that till here.
Let's stay focused on what's
present.
The other thing for you that
you're going to find because you
have an open G center or heart
center and spleen is it is
absolutely critical for you,
kathleen, to discern who and
where you surround yourself,
meaning the people you are
engaged with and your
environments are either going to
be very healthy for you or they
are going to take you out, and
there is no in between.
One of the things you're here
to learn is how to trust your
intuition, that whisper that
says that doesn't feel right,
that doesn't good.
I don't know why that person
didn't do anything.
It doesn't matter If, in any
way, shape or form, you feel
like not healthy for me, because
you really have an opportunity
to discern what is healthy.
You will have a hard time
sometimes and I would gather
you've experienced this in your
life letting go of things that
no longer serve you, letting go
of things you have a habit
sometimes of carrying the crusty
blanket around because it's
safer to carry the blanket,
because you also have a gate
that says you have the fear of
the future, which you're
sometimes risk averse to let go
of the blanket because you don't
know what's going to happen.
On the other side, yasmin has a
really defined G center.
You have an open G center.
So one of the reasons why you
and Yasmin work so well together
is because he has a very clear
sense of purpose, direction and
identity, and you probably have
found yourself in life searching
here's the thing you are here
to sample, not land on one thing
.
Kathleen Mundy: Well, that's
really interesting and something
that you said about my husband
and I.
You said that we were both
manifesters, and yet that
surprises me, because I think we
are as different as Yasmin and
I are, and we're completely
sometimes on a different planet,
I sense, but we share a lot of
commonalities and values.
Candy Barone: Yes, and your
charts are very different, even
though you're both manifesters
and this is where the nuances
matter just because you're both
emotional manifesters.
So you have the same type and
the same authority and you have
the same energy in different
lines, in your broad purpose.
Everything else in your chart
is different.
Everything else in your chart
is different where you're
defined, where you're open.
Your husband also has this very
rare profile, which is a very
fixed, just a position, I would
gather.
Changes, not something he's
really on board with.
It takes him a long time to
shift something because he needs
foundations and everything he
does before he can make a shift.
So, for example, if he were in
a job, he would have to have
another job secured.
He couldn't just leave a job
and think he would figure it out
.
That's not how he's wired.
You, on the other hand, a lot of
your experiences and learning
comes in your relationships with
other people and it can change
based on who's in your
environments and how you're
doing.
But you're here to sample a lot
, to become wise in your own
learnings and to teach from that
capacity and, with you having
that Open G Center, you're here
to decide who you want to be for
the people that need you.
So you're like a chameleon.
You have this opportunity to
wake up and be like I want to be
a Wonder Woman.
Or wake up and be like I kind
of want to be like no, it's late
today.
Or I want to be like you get to
adapt.
He doesn't have that luxury.
He's on a very set course and
it's all about creating
foundations where you're a
visionary leader who is here to
kind of stir some things up and
bring a very oracle, sage kind
of wisdom to the potential of
what is available on the planet,
and so how you show up and how
he shows up as a manifester are
totally different.
Kathleen Mundy: It's true,
absolutely true.
We had the pleasure of spending
a week together, all three of
us, and so he has seen something
that Robert's very determined,
and once he gets something, he
stays with us and makes sure
that it's accomplished.
Yasmin Nguyen: It was
fascinating to be there both
with Kathleen and Robert, and I
have a funny story we had
determined that we were going to
have chicken wings one night,
and so the thing we didn't
expect was that there was going
to be this massive rain and wind
storm.
And, true to his nature, robert
was out there in the rain,
drenched, with winds just
swirling around, and he made
those chicken wings.
And it was fascinating to be
able to notice that and also the
dynamics in which both Kathleen
and Robert communicate and
interact with each other.
Candy Barone: Pivoting is not
something he's going to do
easily.
He's not going to pivot on the
fly.
He has to have the foundations
in place to create the change.
So, yeah, not surprised that he
was out there, because if he
got it in his mind, yes, 100%, I
love that.
Kathleen Mundy: That's a great
story we were chatting the other
day.
His mom said to me once oh, you
know, robert's a real
procrastinator and they thought
I wouldn't see that.
He prioritizes and sometimes
it's different than my
priorities and I get that, but
he decides things.
It's a lesson that he
procrastinates.
He really has to think things
through and almost understand
what some of the outcomes might
be before he begins it.
Candy Barone: It is true,
because he has a defined root
and you don't.
So, again, you're always trying
to get this pressure of things
off you and go.
She is right.
So in the classities, those
with a defined root
procrastination when it's
aligned, we get some juice off
sliding things into the 11th
hour.
I will, for examples, I will
have a speaking engagement where
you'll be like I want to build
the slides two months early.
Someone will be like can't, I
need your slide deck.
I'm like for what they're like
for your talk in March.
I'm like that's not going to
happen until the night before I
give the talk I'll be thinking
about it and ruminating about it
, but I'm not going to do the
thing until it's required to do
the thing.
My class I just ran, I did the
slides the day before because I
need to be able to pull through.
There is an aspect of sliding
things in at the 11th hour or
that procrastination that's
extremely healthy and, yes,
there's sort of a rumination or
a prioritization that says it'll
get done.
I trust divine timing, where
for you that's actually one of
the areas for you to become more
wise is to discern and trust,
especially because you have an
open root and spleen.
When is the timing right to
take action?
When is the timing right to let
things go and the trust in
divine timing that all will be
taking care of exactly as it
needs to and you don't need to
get it all done?
Kathleen Mundy: right now.
Well, it's interesting, I won't
do the slides at all.
Candy Barone: Well, actually,
because you've been a manifesto
and the other things in your
chart, that doesn't surprise me.
You'll have the idea and then
you'll hand it to Yasmin and be
like this is when I see here's
your, take your interpretation,
respond to it and he will build
the slides.
100%, yes, burn it up and
manifest her.
That actually wasn't a good
analogy.
You will not build the slide.
Yasmin Nguyen: True Cappanine
will do what she really does,
which she's a professional
nudger right.
Candy Barone: She'll suggest
something and oh, she's a spark
and you're going to respond to
what she initiates in that spark
100%.
She is not here to do the work.
She is here to initiate the
movement and the momentum and
will do which piece lights her
up, that feels like she can
create.
So, for example, the
manifesting generator.
Me, when I got asked to build
ROI models, I loved building the
first one.
Then they're like well, you
need to maintain this.
I'm like, oh, no, I am not
maintaining anything.
The idea of me maintaining
something, and especially for a
manifesto that's a pure
manifesto.
No, I'm going to stay in the
creative flow while it feels new
and then I want nothing to do
with it once it becomes
something that now we're going
to tweak and we're going to
maintain.
No, yeah.
Kathleen Mundy: I have to have
something new and generate.
You're right, I have to
generate something.
Candy Barone: Now you will stay
in deep pockets of creativity if
it's like you're writing a book
and it's brand new and it's
like you can write the whole
book as long as it feels like
they're creating something new
and there's something new you're
bringing to the table.
If there's aspects of it you're
like we need to talk about our
systems.
You're like, yes, man, those
are your pieces of the book,
right, because he's going to
talk about the process, the
systems, the congruence, the
things that are like the
substance that's needed to
evolve the work.
You're like here's what I see.
Let me put the chapter, lay
them out.
You guys would do really well
to collaborate in that capacity,
but, yes, you're not here to
build the slide deck.
Another thing for you and your
husband to keep in mind you're
both emotional authority, but
your wave is not going to be the
same.
You both will have high highs
and low lows and they may not be
cycling together.
If you have children, in your
case, if one of your kids is a
projector and one of them has an
open solar plexus, they're
absorbing your emotional energy
from both of you all the time.
I always tell my people with
the open solar plexus one of the
things you need to remember is
not my circus, not my monkeys,
not my circus, not my monkeys,
not my circus Right, yasmin?
I tell you that all the time
You're a pure generator.
This is where Yasmin can get
taken out.
If you're in one of your really
high highs, kathleen, or one of
your really low lows and, by
the way, that's very natural,
I'm an emotional person too.
There's nothing wrong with you.
It is part of how you cycle.
Yasmin can pick up on that and
all of a sudden be like oh, why
do I feel like I'm so sad today?
Now I just feel like I don't
want to do anything because he's
taking all your energy and
making it his and getting sucked
into that melancholy Again.
When you understand, there's
whole different conversations.
The other thing for you,
kathleen and this is, by the way
, yasmin, this will be the same
as what we talked about for
projectors, those that are
psychotypes, that are generators
.
Your best way to get what you
need out of Yasmin that feels
aligned is yes, no, this that
questions, which is not your
natural state of asking
questions.
You are open-ended.
Don't ask questions your way.
Ask questions.
You would be like Yasmin does
this feel good to you, yes or no
?
Like rapid fire, the faster you
can go, because he is all in
the now, yes, no, this, that
black, white linear polarity,
like you, do not work that way.
You would do better if you said
so.
How do you feel about that?
What about this feels good to
you?
In what ways is this showing up
?
So he needs to learn how to use
open-ended language to really
draw you out in what's popping,
because oftentimes, as a
manifestor, you really struggle
because that informed piece
kicks you in the ass, because
you have a hard time languaging
these sparks and the
inspirations and the download.
And if you have to take too
much time to language and
someone's not asking you in a
way that feels aligned, it can
shut down your creative spark as
well, because now you're like I
don't know.
Is that yes, no, I don't.
Versus how, what, in what ways?
Where?
Yes, totally, totally different
.
That in and of itself is a game
changer for people.
Kathleen Mundy: Well, so has
this interview.
So has this episode Such as a
game changer for me.
It's going to be a game changer
for those people who had the
opportunity to listen to this
and again I just want to thank
you so so much for everything
you shared and, yasmin, thank
you for bringing this to me and
to our audience, and I know it's
going to be a game changer.
There's my life and it's a
beautiful life, Don't get me
wrong.
I think it's wonderful.
Especially what we're talking
about today really defines the
method, if I can use that to
cement a good relationship, and
I think with children, it's
really important to have an
understanding when you're
transitioning.
We talk about this a little bit
in family dynamics.
You know it changes when you
retire and I'm going through
that now.
I have one daughter who seems
to insist on communicating on a
regular basis and she gets
really nervous if I mean, I'm
not a call your mom every day
girl.
So I think that something like
this to have a better
understanding if we could
communicate this to our close
friends and family for sure, it
would really help so much in
seeing a lighter, more joyful
relationship as it changes.
This transition is not easy for
your family members either.
Candy Barone: No, and I would be
curious, just to name it, what
you said, to see if the daughter
that you're referencing has an
open throat and or is a
projector, because my guess is
she's one or both and has this
need to be seen and recognized
and is not waiting for the
opportunity to be called in.
And I wonder if this feels
aligned for you.
She talks all the time.
She's always sharing thoughts,
ideas, wisdom, like her point of
view.
However, if you ask her for
that, does it feel different to
you on the back end?
So if it's one of those you're
like, wait a minute, she might
have just said something really
good.
Can you repeat that?
I think that was really good.
Can she say the same thing?
She might be like oh, that was
magical, like how did you know
that?
Did you get in that?
When you call her out directly,
does it feel different in the
way she communicates?
Kathleen Mundy: Well, that's
interesting, we'll see.
Candy Barone: I'm going to have
a phone call with her today,
because when I hear that in
doing this work for six years, I
can hear nuances that
immediately make me go.
Oh, because even though you're
a manifestor, kathleen, this is
another thing for you.
You also have a very strong
projector line, because your
five line is aligned that while
you want to initiate and inform,
sometimes in the way you're
leading others, you need people
to draw you out, to speak in the
language.
That's going to be how they can
receive it, because you're not
here for everybody.
Manifestors have a natural
repelling aura, which means they
are trying to push away all the
people that are not for them so
that they can find their little
posse of people that are where
they feel safe and feel like
they can do.
Because a lot of people don't
understand manifestors and will
say things like you're always
initiating things, you're never
finishing things.
There's a lot of shame that
comes in trying to put a
manifestor in the generator
world, but it's that space.
So sometimes you need to be
drawn out, because the other
thing people will do is
naturally want to villainize or
make you their savior, because,
as a visionary leader, they see
you having the solution that
sometimes people don't take
responsibility for themselves
because they're like well,
kathleen, I'll just fix it.
Kathleen Mundy: That's true, yes
, but you and I have talked
about moving and changing and
doing all of these things in
retirement.
That's why we're having this
conversation today is to help
people understand the transition
stage and planning for it, and
I think it's so insightful.
It's wonderful that we can have
this.
I wonder if it's something that
you can start and understand
and help with the planning.
So how far in advance do you
think it would be wise to have a
better understanding through
human design before we enter a
new chapter?
Candy Barone: Yesterday, and the
reason I say that is because I
do strategic work for business
owners.
I have a framework I use that
helps them get dialed into what
it is they're trying to build in
their business and we overlay
human design in that entire
conversation from day one.
The sooner the better, because
to your point you've got to
understand what lights me up,
what feels aligned for me, what
is showing up that says, oh, I
never thought about that,
because I see so many people
have aha and those insightful
like sparks or downloads or just
connections.
The sooner you bring this into
your conversation around
planning for your next chapter,
whatever you want to call it
transition, the better.
Because if you go into that
planning with the conditioning
and the guilt and the shaming
and the programming of what
you've been currently living in
and you were overly associated
in your identity with how you
worked and who you were in that
title and, by the way, the
higher your title, the more
connected and identified you are
with it.
I've watched this of
transitioning C level executives
in their retirement.
This is the hardest
conversation because they
identify their entire sense of
purpose and meaning with that
title of C level whatever.
So for them it's absolutely
critical that they start
unpacking all of the masks and
the buildup and the ways that
they've been taught.
They have to perform to get
into that essence.
Otherwise you're building a
circular plan.
That's the same thing over and
over again.
You're not going to move into a
space that feels open and free
and peaceful and satisfying.
You're going to be more of the
same and you're going to put all
that pressure on yourself.
Kathleen Mundy: You just used a
word that we haven't heard or
used and it's satisfying, and I
think that brings a whole
different meaning to what we
anticipate.
It sets the stage to really
become joyful in your approach
to life.
Candy Barone: Yeah, and here's
the irony of that 70% of the
population is a generator type
manifesting generator or
generator.
Do you know what their
signature theme is?
For them to be in alignment
Satisfaction.
It is not about achievement.
It's not about how much stuff
you can get done.
It's not about accomplishments.
It's about satisfaction and
fulfillment, and we do not have
a culture that understands what
that means.
For a projector, it's about
redefining success from a place
of well-being.
For a manifester, it's about
peace.
We don't have a culture right
now.
So if you go into retirement
with the same old beliefs that
you have in conditioning, how
are you going to get anywhere
close to peace, satisfaction,
success from a place of
well-being, or excitement and
delight from a reflector?
Who's looking at the full
potential of what we could
possibly step into as humanity?
We're nowhere near that.
So if you're building your
retirement plan from this old,
you're going to get a lot more
of the same of how much can I
produce and how much stuff am I
doing, and it's more and more
and more and more.
Instead of what, if I just let
myself be instead of do the
questions for a generator type,
does this light you up and do
you have energy for it now.
Kathleen Mundy: I can see this
to be a huge advantage, because
one of the statistics when we
were doing our research was the
depression rate, clinical
depression rate and I think that
the transition of not knowing
where I am, how do I fit in,
what am I going to do, and the
pressure from people asking you
I was retired for three months
and thought I'd go mad because
people kept asking me questions
about whoa, what are you going
to do now?
Well, I don't know.
I'm just trying to figure it
out, but this can really help.
Yes, there's going to be times
where you're kind of high and
low, but when you think one in
three actually are suffering
with clinical depression, that's
amazing.
I spoke to a physician this
morning earlier and when I
mentioned those stats to him he
just nodded and said yes, and
that's what's documented.
Candy Barone: I would say that
those numbers are probably even
bigger, and one of the things
you can actually see where you
are prone to depression in your
chart here are new, more than
likely out of alignment.
First, and, yes, we have a
culture that's not even set up
for how we're naturally wired
collectively, so no wonder why
people feel so out of alignment.
I've never seen people so out
of alignment as what's going on
currently, right now.
It's why everything that's
happening around us on social
media and all of that noise is
just a reflection and projection
of the state of well-being or
lack of well-being, because
what's changing our metric of
success is not about money and
about how much we do.
It's about our own well-being
and how much well-being we're
putting into the world, and
that's what's shifting.
And unless we understand that,
we're going to have a really,
really bumpy ride trying to be
something that we're not
supposed to be, and a lot of
people are feeling that.
Yasmin Nguyen: Wow, this is such
a powerful conversation.
Thank you so much, candia.
I feel like we could talk for
hours and days and weeks, which
we have, and I'm curious for
those who are interested in
learning more about either human
design, learning more about you
and your work how do people get
started?
Candy Barone: I would say,
whether you choose to do this
with me or someone else, is to
do a foundational reading.
Whoever is speaking the language
that feels more expansive and
opening, because there are
people out there doing human
design and it's coming from a
very scarce lacking.
Here's where you're broken.
Here's what you need to fix.
I would not suggest you go from
that path, but get a reading to
understand the basic
foundational pieces of how
you're wired, to see what
resonates, and then you will
know whether or not you want to
go deeper in that exploration or
if that's enough for you to
start thinking about what's next
in your life at this juncture.
And so I would say get your
chart.
You can get your chart for free
, but then have somebody who
knows how to interpret it walk
you through the foundational
pieces of it.
I think too many people go down
rabbit holes where then they
get overloaded and stuck,
because there is a lot of
information, there's a lot of
information that hasn't been
fully synthesized.
So find a path where it
resonates to have somebody help
you tap into which pieces to
explore first.
Kathleen Mundy: So, yasmin, this
is one thing that he's really
good at he's going to put things
in the show notes and people
can actually find the help that
they need.
And I want to just take a
moment now to just thank you so,
so much for the insight that
you've given us today.
Certainly, yasmin has had more,
but this has been kind of a
jumping in the pool for me and,
needless to say, I have been
enriched because of it.
I hope that people find
tremendous value in what you've
shared with us today and, to
this point, I want them to
subscribe.
You know, we're all about
sharing and giving and making
sure that our audience has what
they need, and I think you've
given them a wonderful piece of
that today.
Candy Barone: Thank you so much,
truly been an honor.
I really appreciate having this
conversation.
Yasmin Nguyen: Thank you, candi.
You, your work, your wisdom,
your heart have been such a gift
, not only for me, but also for
us and for our community as well
, and know that the impact that
you're making is so profound,
and please continue to do that,
and we can't wait to continue on
this journey with you as well
and share the possibilities on
this next chapter.
Candy Barone: So thank you so
much.
Thank you.
I love what you're doing and I
have a lot of clients that show
up in this space.
Transition, especially empty
nesters, and retirement it's the
age we're at and it's amazing
the conversations, how they can
change.
Thank you both very much for
the invitation.
I feel deeply honored.
Thank you.
Kathleen Mundy: Thank you Until
we see you next time.
Yasmin Nguyen: For those who are
interested in learning more
about working with Candi and
scheduling a personal reading,
visit wwwcandibaroncom.
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