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Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader, hosted by Molly Galler, Stephanie Blackburn, and Kaitlin Mattison. We're three friends who love to read, swap books, and count down until the film and TV adaptations of our favorites are released. Follow us on Instagram, @plansarebooked, or reach out to us directly at plansarebooked@gmail.com.
Molly Galler (00:01)
Welcome to Plans Are Booked, a podcast for every reader. I'm Molly Geller.
Stephanie (00:06)
I'm Stephanie Blackburn. Pass my bedtime.
Kaitlin (00:08)
And I'm Caitlin Madison. Welcome to Chapter 28, the Idea View Film Review, coming to you on a Thursday night. It's after 9 p Yeah, it's after 9 p We're in it to win it, guys. We do it all for you. We just watched the movie together. We had gin -based drinks. We had rose. We watched the movie. We...
Molly Galler (00:18)
We're in it to win it because we do it all for you. We just watched the movie together. We had Jim V. Strakes, we had Rosé, we watched the movie, we made side comments about it. Also, I probably hit her pats as well. We have a lot to say about it.
Stephanie (00:31)
We had Jimi strings. We had Rose. We watched the movie. We made some comments. We were out in the sun and caught a glimpse of the whole thing. We have a lot to say about it, honestly. And I don't even know how I would have came up with that. I don't even know what to think about it. The Subaru. Yeah. So that's it for those.
Kaitlin (00:38)
made snide comments throughout it, but also sighed audibly at certain points as well. We have a lot to say about it, honestly. I don't even know how I want to kick this off. How do we want to kick it off? Yeah, that's fair. That's fair. For those of you that are new, we're talking about the Idea View. We've reviewed the book. You can go back and listen to that episode if you haven't yet.
Molly Galler (00:48)
And I don't even know how I want to kick this off. How do we want to kick this off?
Stephanie (01:01)
We've reviewed the full review back in the sense of that episode.
Molly Galler (01:08)
But we, right from the back of the house, I have to say, we were left, we were left with no choice.
Kaitlin (01:08)
But we, right from the get -go, Selene, played by Anne Hathaway, we were laughing. We were laughing right from the go because she is gonna go on a camping trip and drives an Army green Subaru and is not the chic gallery owner that she is in the book. We were ready for her to be dripping Cartier, wearing Chanel shoes.
Stephanie (01:09)
But we, right from the get -go, Suleyne played by Anne Hathaway, we were laughing right from the go because she is gonna go on a camping trip and drives an army green Subaru and is not the sheep gallery owner that she... Like, we thought that was pretty good.
Molly Galler (01:19)
is like gonna go on a camping trip and drive an army van in the summer and it's not like the chic gallery owner than she is in the book like we were ready for her to be like dripping Cartier and Chanel shoes being elegant and like so cool and like you know when you read the book you're thinking like Zendaya and challenges you're thinking like so booty so like
Stephanie (01:33)
Confidence.
Kaitlin (01:35)
being elegant and like so cool and hip and like, you know, when you read the book, you're thinking like Zendaya and challengers. You're thinking like, so bougie, so like, out of my league as a friendship group kind of person. And she's driving a Subaru. She's 40. She has a 16 year old daughter and she is planning to go camping by herself.
Molly Galler (01:49)
out of my league as a friendship group kind of person and she's working as a student at an office in Miami.
I also need to say that when we read the book I thought her name was pronounced Celine this whole time and then when the movie starts and they call her Solenne I was like ooh got that wrong.
Stephanie (02:01)
Same.
Kaitlin (02:04)
with a plethora of books when she finds out that her husband can't take their kid and her friends to Coachella. That's what's happening.
Molly Galler (02:27)
So I agree with everything that Caitlin just said. I felt like in the book, she was so chic. She was so like aspirational. And in the film version, she's like a suburban, crunchy mom, which is just not. Yes, the Subaru was so offensive to me. I felt like it was completely off brand for everything we know to be true about her.
Kaitlin (02:27)
So I agree that it's interesting.
Stephanie (02:28)
I think that was actually just that I don't like the number. She was so she was so aspirational and in the film version she's like a suburban, crutching woman. And like broken. Yes. The sweetest sweetest sweetest.
Kaitlin (02:32)
She was so she was so aspirational and she defended the film.
I felt like it was so early, crunching and crunching. Would you say so? Yes. The superman is so offensive to me. I felt like he was completely off -brand for everything he did to me throughout. In the book.
Molly Galler (02:54)
In the book, they do not meet at Coachella. And when we saw the trailer, all of us were like, wait a minute, already that's like a huge change. So I knew we were not going to be fans of that because that is not true to the story. But I think the biggest grievance is the way they like diluted her cool factor.
Kaitlin (02:55)
I would agree. I think that... So in the book, she's chic, she owns this gallery, et cetera, et cetera.
Stephanie (02:55)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (03:16)
So in the book, she's changed, she owns this gallery, et cetera, et cetera. In this book, she's changed.
Stephanie (03:18)
she's she's the only gallery etc etc in the movie she is like her husband is just cheated on for three years earlier and she like she's not probably by all means she is not really at all but she's definitely like
Kaitlin (03:21)
in the movie she is like heartbroken her husband has just cheated on her three years earlier and she like she's not frumpy by all means she is not frumpy at all but she's definitely like not dressed in a way that's like going to woo a harry styles type character to me in my opinion.
Stephanie (03:36)
I also don't think it's just the clothing. It's like there was something so aspirational about her. Like you read her and you were like, God, I want to be her. Like, yes. Yes. Mm hmm.
Molly Galler (03:38)
She had such a full life and like an awesome career. She was traveling the world herself, like already going to art shows, meeting with clients. She
Kaitlin (03:52)
She's so confident in the book.
Stephanie (04:06)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (04:08)
I also think, I mean in the book, something that's so cool about her is that like she lived in Europe for a while and she like speaks fluent French and all this stuff and she seems like borderline uncultured in the movie.
Molly Galler (04:08)
had incredible fashion, she was like fierce in her own right to the point where she actually didn't need or care for any man.
She lived in Europe for a while. She speaks fluent French. All this stuff. And she seems like...
Stephanie (04:28)
She lived in New York for a while and she speaks fluent French, all this stuff. And she seems like borderline un -cultured in the movie. Like when she travels with Hayes in the movie, it's like she's never been anywhere before. And he has her wearing clothes, I just accept it. She just seems like one of the most private people she's ever had in her life. And in the book...
Molly Galler (04:36)
like when she travels the days of the movie it's like she's never been anywhere before and like he has her wearing clothes and stylist picks out and like she just seems like along for the ride and like she's never done any of this before and in the book
Kaitlin (04:38)
Like when she travels with Hayes in the movie, it's like she's never been anywhere before. And like he has her wearing clothes that his stylist picks out and like, she just seems like along for the ride and like she's never done any of this before. And in the book, she's the one that like lures him. He's like, I'm not good enough to date her. She's never going to be interested in me because...
Molly Galler (04:58)
She's the one that lures him. He's like, I'm not good enough to date her. She's never going to be interested in me because she's older than I am and she has a kid and she's divorced at age two and she's a brat. And he basically feels like he is the lesser of the two. Like, she's not going to be impressed with him in a boy band. I'm not even impressed with myself if I'm in a boy band. And she doesn't have any of that swag in the movie at all.
Stephanie (04:58)
She's the one that lures him. He's like, I'm not good enough to date her. She's not going to be interested in me because she's older than I am and she has a kid and she's a divorcee. And he feels like he is the lesser of the two. He says, she's not really impressed that I'm in a boy band. I'm not even impressed with myself that I'm in a boy band. And she doesn't have any of that flattered in the movie at all.
Kaitlin (05:05)
She's older than I am and she has a kid and she's a divorcee and she speaks French and like, and he's, he basically feels like he is the lesser of the two. Like he's like, she's not going to be impressed that I'm in a boy band. I'm not even impressed with myself that I'm in a boy band. And she doesn't have any of that swagger in the movie at all.
Molly Galler (05:29)
Yes to all of that. And one of the things we all noticed immediately in the movie, her daughter in the book is 13. In the movie, she's 16. I thought she looked like a clone of Idina Menzel. I was like, what is Idina Menzel doing here as Anne Hathaway's daughter?
Stephanie (05:29)
Yes, and when I was young I noticed a new movie movie. Her daughter in the book is 13 and she's 16. I think she runs like a clone of a demon herself. I was like, what is the demon doing there? This can't happen, it's dark. She also...
Kaitlin (05:43)
I was like, what is the end of that? Doing art is getting compliments.
She also...
I mean, okay, let's dig in. Like, let's really do this, right? Like, this is Caitlin, two glasses of wine, you know, whatever.
Stephanie (05:53)
I mean, okay, let's dig in. Like, what's the difference, right? Like, this is heat line, two glasses of wine, you know, whatever.
Molly Galler (05:55)
This is Caitlin.
Kaitlin (06:01)
If we're really going to dig in, the main conflict, the climax of the story for all the writers out there.
Molly Galler (06:02)
If we really wanted to dig in, the main conflict, the climax of the story...
Stephanie (06:02)
Sorry book or movie? Okay.
Kaitlin (06:13)
movie, book, sorry, book. The main climax in the book is she, her daughter is in love with Hayes' personality, who he is in the band. They go to the meet and greet at Coachella because she's obsessed with him. And so the whole conflict in the book is she can't reconcile telling her 13 year old daughter, hey, the person that you have like,
Molly Galler (06:16)
The main parmectam of both is her daughter is in love with Ays's personality, who he is in the band. They go to the theater to coach Aula because she's obsessed with him.
Stephanie (06:23)
personality, who he is in the band. They go to the big, greeted Coach Allen because she's obsessed with him. And so the big conflict in the book is she can't reconcile telling her 13 -year -old daughter, hey, the person that you have, like, your first romantic home is a car show. I'm the person who's like, sort of like, they're in a relationship with the press. And that is the conflict between...
Molly Galler (06:32)
And so the big problem in the book is she can't reconcile going for 13 year old daughter or paid person to have like your first romantic Hollywood crush on. I'm speaking with him and he's like sort of giving me my boyfriend but we're not getting into the process. And that is like the overarching dilemma that Sly deals with in the book.
Kaitlin (06:41)
your first romantic Hollywood crush on, I'm sleeping with him and he's like sort of maybe my boyfriend but we're hiding it from the press. And that is like the overarching dilemma that Selene deals with in the book. In the movie, they change how Hayes and Selene meet and then immediately they make...
Stephanie (06:53)
Sorry, I'm just gonna interject to say I'm fostering puppies right now and I apologize.
Molly Galler (06:57)
in the movie they change how he plays it to one beat and then immediately finish. So I'm just going to introduce from Postering. He's right there.
Kaitlin (07:13)
In the movie, they have Selene's daughter as an older person. She's supposed to be a junior or senior in high school. And she's like kind of already over the band August Moon and keeps saying like, they were so seventh grade, but like, I still have a soft place in my heart for them. And so the entire conflict then becomes Selene being like, this is ridiculous. I'm 40 years old. Like I shouldn't be dating this 24 year old guy.
Molly Galler (07:13)
In the movie, they have Selene's daughter as an older person. She's supposed to be a junior or senior in high school and she's like kind of already older than Augustine and he's saying like, they could talk stuff and breathe but like I still have a soft place in my heart for them.
Stephanie (07:22)
She's like kind of like a full -time, so they're not just like, I'm not saying I'm not a great voice, I'm not a soft -faced mic, you know? And so we can turn to her and say, so let me like this in particular, before you go, I'm gonna do this.
Molly Galler (07:31)
And so the entire conflict then becomes Selene being like, this is ridiculous, a four years old, like I should be dating a 24 year old guy. And that becomes the conflict, which is, I mean, that, it works in some ways as a conflict, but like we were joking earlier, like some of these movies need to start getting like used based on the book and the idea of you because there were so many things that changed, the ending changed, the conflict changed.
Kaitlin (07:42)
and that becomes the conflict, which is, I mean, that it works in some ways as a conflict, but like we were joking earlier, like some of these movies need to start saying like loosely based on the book, the idea of you, because there were so many things that change, the ending changed, the conflict changed, the character arcs changed.
Stephanie (07:44)
It felt like it deviated in every single path that it could have.
Molly Galler (08:01)
I think anyone who has been following along here on Plans are Book knows we read this book a long time ago. This was I think our third episode. We've been promoting both this book and the upcoming movie for over six months. We encouraged all of you to read it. We encourage you to count down to the movie with us. We were so looking forward to this.
Kaitlin (08:07)
Yeah, it sure did.
Stephanie (08:27)
We were so thankful for it. I think.
Molly Galler (08:30)
I think it's always hard when you love something that much and the adaptation betrays what you loved about the story. And they watered down Solenn, which I thought was the worst part. They changed the relationship with the daughter, the daughter and the mom, and the daughter to Hayes. They changed the entire ending in a way that's really not true to the book. And I think part of the reason people loved the book so much...
Stephanie (08:33)
like a Detroit -based movie about a story. And they are not so much by the post, they change their relationship with the daughter, the daughter of a mom and the daughter of a genius. They change and change, you know, it's a really hard journey to walk. And I think the hardest part is...
Kaitlin (08:43)
Thank you.
is they change and play it. You know, it's really a country of thought. And...
is the end, honestly. Like what would actually happen in real life? It's all different things. I guess when I have the ending, I, in watching this movie, could tell, I mean, still have like 20 minutes left, that the ending was something different than the movie. The movie ends in a way that I think was right for the movie, and makes it feel like you get that, how you hope you're gonna end it. But the whole thing,
Molly Galler (08:59)
is the ending felt honest, like what would actually happen in real life. It's well documented here on this podcast, I like a happy ending. I, in watching this movie, could tell when we still had like 20 minutes left that the ending was gonna be different than the book. The movie ends in a way that I think was right for the movie. It makes it feel like you get the outcome that you hope you're gonna get.
Stephanie (08:59)
is that I'm honest. I'm not cheating. I'm honest. I'm not cheating. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest. I'm honest.
Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (09:27)
But the whole point of the book is that that is not real life. That is not how things actually go down. And so when you're watching the movie, if you were a fan of the book, it's a little bit like eye roll because it does the Hollywood thing that the book didn't.
Kaitlin (09:30)
That is one of the ways how we can go down. And so if you watch the movie, if you turn the end of the book, it's a little bit like, ire, because it tells the whole thing that the book didn't. I think we, I think...
Stephanie (09:30)
Yeah.
I think we I think going back to a previous episode, I think we have to think of this as a completely separate entity and appreciate it for being a completely separate entity. Because literally the only line that has stuck with me from the book and I read that book twice and I absolutely love it is that ending.
Molly Galler (09:47)
I think we have to separate entity and appreciate it for being a completely separate entity. Because literally the only live interest that was made was the fact that I was a student.
Kaitlin (09:49)
Going back to the previous episode, I think we have to see this as a completely separate entity and appreciate it for being a completely separate entity. Because literally the only one that stood with me from the book, and I read that book twice, and I absolutely love it, is that ending, spoiler alert, in her book where she talks about still loving him even when he had been removed from the world.
Molly Galler (10:06)
is that ending spoiler art in our book where she talks about still loving him even when he had clearly gone.
Stephanie (10:09)
spoiler alert if you haven't read the book, where she talks about still loving him even when he had clearly moved on. I kind of love living in that hurt moment of the book, but I also appreciated that sweet moment at the end of this movie in like a different world.
Kaitlin (10:18)
I kind of loved the fan -carnival moment of the book, but I also appreciated that sweet moment at the end of this movie in like a different world. These two things live on two different things for me now. I have to think of them as completely separate things or else I'm going to get...
Molly Galler (10:18)
But I kind of love the being an accurate moment of the book. But I also appreciate that sweet moment at the end of this movie. In like a different world. These two things live on two different planes for me now. I have to think of them as completely separate things or else I'm going to get...
Stephanie (10:37)
These two things live on two different planes for me now. I have to think of them as completely separate things or else I'm going to get -
Kaitlin (10:46)
I was going to say, like, it's bitter as I was talking about. I feel like... Let's talk about some of the positives. Yeah.
Molly Galler (10:46)
I was going to say disappointed. Bitter is also a good word. I feel like let's talk about some of the positives. The tattoos. I felt like Nicholas Gal had seen the gray sweatpants. Yeah. I will say as someone who is a lifelong boy band person in real life, the choreography they have these guys doing was pretty lame.
Stephanie (10:46)
bitter.
Yeah. The gray sweatpants.
Kaitlin (10:55)
The tattoos. I felt like the gray sweatpants. The gray sweatpants. Yeah. I will say, as someone who was not a very long boy and a person in real life, the choreography of these costumes was pretty jiggling. If you've ever seen the videos, it doesn't matter what you're a fan of, they're actually boys and the same time you do this, whoever you're a fan of, those boys can actually dance. In this movie, I was expecting a little bit more because they're almost passed by how they did that one with the boy band.
Molly Galler (11:10)
If you've ever seen, it doesn't matter what you are a fan of, Backstreet Boys, Nsync, 98 Degrees, whoever you're a fan of, those boys can actually dance. In this movie, I was expecting a little bit more because there had been all this press about how they did like quote unquote boy band camp. The choreo was, left something to be desired, let's say. But the songs are catchy. It did make me want to listen to the soundtrack. I thought that the chemistry,
Kaitlin (11:25)
The choreo was love something to be described in the script, I would say. But the songs are catchy. It did make me want to listen to this cover. I thought that the chemistry between A and Nick was extremely applicable from the very beginning all the way through to the end.
Stephanie (11:33)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (11:38)
between Anne and Nicholas, extremely believable from the very beginning all the way through to the end. And in the book, I feel like it's the electricity between them that makes you want to keep reading and figure out what's going to be going on. And you do get some of that in this movie when they're traveling the world together. And I was like, yeah, this is the part of the book that was so fun. And I remember that kind of kinetic energy of them.
Kaitlin (11:47)
And in the book, I feel like it's like electricity that came out of that in case you want to keep reading it and figure out what's going to be going on. And you do get some of that in this movie, The Wonder Trap on the Road together. And I was like, that's the part of the book that was so fun. And I remember that kinetic energy of them both trotting together. I thought they talked about super little. I actually disagree on that.
Stephanie (11:57)
You do have some in this group.
So, I never, I've been like, I'm not gonna lie to you, I'm just gonna say I'm a little.
Molly Galler (12:08)
globe trotting together, I thought they captured that super well. Even though it's... What?
Stephanie (12:11)
Mm -hmm.
Kaitlin (12:17)
So the globe trotting part was like one of my favorite parts of the book. And like listeners, if you don't remember, I thought that book was trash and almost didn't finish it because it was so poorly written. I thought that the chemistry was good and I thought like the steaminess was good, but I really, it was a hard one for me to push through, but I did it. So the globe trotting for me was like the super fun part. That was like the part where I like transported myself and was daydreaming about like,
Stephanie (12:21)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (12:24)
I thought that the mystery was good and I thought like the steamyness was good but really it was a hard one for me to push through but I did it. So the globetrotting for me was like the super fun part. That was like the part where I like transported myself into daydreaming about like...
Stephanie (12:30)
this is a good question. So the question is, how do you transport data from the database to the database? This is a data set that you can have in your shop.
Kaitlin (12:47)
this is what it would be like to like date a superstar and like money is no object and like you're shopping and it doesn't matter and you're eating and it doesn't matter what the bill is and you're going places that you never thought and you're flying private and like la da da da da. And in the movie it's like a montage scene and they just show a bunch of different clips where there's no dialogue of them on the plane of them walking hand in hand like in different cities and whatever. And that was the part that I really liked.
Molly Galler (12:47)
This is what it would be like to be the superstar and one needs no option. If you're shopping and it doesn't matter and you're eating and it doesn't matter what the bill is and you're going places that you never thought of. You're flying private and you're talking about it a lot. And then the movie is like a montage scene. And they just show a bunch of different clips where there's no dialogue of them on the plane and the people off the plane and the city. Whatever. And that was the part that I really liked.
Stephanie (12:55)
eating.
And it's like, all the water flows, and it's all just cliffs where it looks like.
Yeah.
Molly Galler (13:17)
And so for them to montage it in the movie was like a real wonder of the pain. Along those lines, I kind of hated that they made the 20 -something hookup girls like stereotypical bitchy because in the book, Charlotte becomes a friend of hers. Like they go for a run in the Hamptons together and they like...
Kaitlin (13:17)
And so for them to montage it in the movie was like a real bummer for me.
Stephanie (13:23)
Along those lines, I kind of hated that they made the 20 -something hookup girls, like, stereotypical bitchy because in the book, Charlotte becomes a friend of hers. Like, they go for a run in the Hamptons together and they, like, kind of bond even though there's 20 years between them and, like...
Kaitlin (13:37)
Like, they go for a run in the hamstrings together and they like, kind of...
Molly Galler (13:40)
That was a big miss to me.
Kaitlin (13:43)
No one is developed in the movie at all. The side characters are not developed. His relationship with Oliver not developed.
Stephanie (13:46)
Yeah.
Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Kaitlin (13:55)
Well, you know I love a sidekick and like, I mean, Sohlen's friends aren't developed. They like decided to develop her husband more as a storyline and he was a jackal and I was like, didn't need this. Let's see more Oliver. Like, I don't know.
Molly Galler (13:58)
like I mean, so once friends aren't developed, they like decided to develop the husband more as a story line and he was a jackal and I was like, so we need this, we're all just gonna have to come. I mean, that's.
Stephanie (13:58)
like I'm so afraid, aren't I? Yep.
I mean that was another part of the book that I absolutely loved was like she and her best friend opened an art gallery together got to travel the world together they got to go to Paris to art shows together and like her best friend was sort of her voice of reason about like why are you with this guy like you know this is not gonna end well we didn't get any of that in this.
Molly Galler (14:14)
She and her best friend opened up our memory together, got to travel the world together, made more parents, art shows together, and like... her best friend was with her voice of reason, and I heard it with this guy, like, you know this is not gonna end well. We didn't get that with that. In this. We did not. I will agree with all of you on the screen. I fall off the head. I fall off the head.
Kaitlin (14:34)
We did not. I will agree with Molly on the chemistry. I thought that I think that they cast Selene with Anne Hathaway and Hayes with Nicholas Galatine perfectly. I think somebody really effed up the script. Whoever adapted this from the book made some weird choices.
Molly Galler (14:42)
that they cast, select, and have a copy and paste and paste out perfectly. I think somebody really f -ed up this rep. Whoever adapted this from the book made some weird choices. I just... I... yeah. Honestly, I think it's a good thing to do.
Stephanie (14:42)
that they asked so much for the opportunity that he is with.
Mm -hmm.
Kaitlin (15:03)
I just... I... Yeah. Honestly, I think that the movie will do pretty well on streaming. I now understand why it's not in the movie theater. And I think that people will rewatch it because Nick and Anne are so freaking beautiful. Yeah, I'm not. This was a one and done for Caitlin Madison, if anybody was wondering.
Molly Galler (15:14)
And I think that people will be happy because they're happy.
Stephanie (15:18)
Hi, it's me. I'm gonna watch it.
Molly Galler (15:28)
Right before we started recording, I was like, when I leave here tonight, I'm rewatching this again tonight in my bed.
Kaitlin (15:31)
No, that's a no for me, dog. No, if I need Nicholas Galatine, I'm going to go back to Red, White and Royal Blue or Purple Hearts. This wasn't it. This wasn't I hope that this is a breakout movie for him because I adore him. But like his other movies were better.
Stephanie (15:31)
You
I'll be watching it probably once a day for the next week.
Molly Galler (15:36)
Thank you.
Stephanie (15:41)
Ugh.
Molly Galler (15:43)
Yeah, definitely.
Stephanie (15:46)
This is a breakout that we've done to provide for this.
Molly Galler (15:50)
Absolutely.
Yeah, if you haven't ever seen Nicholas Galatine before in your life, you should probably start with Purple Hearts, I would say. And then, and then Red, White and Royal Blue.
Stephanie (16:00)
I would.
I would leave Mary and George to the end because he starts out as a whiny bitch.
Kaitlin (16:05)
I will say.
Molly Galler (16:08)
Yeah, he's having quite a year, that's for sure. I will say as another positive, I thought the soundtrack was actually very fun. So not just August Moon, the boy band, there's a Maggie Rogers song, there's a Fiona Apple song. Whoever made those choices, I think did a great job.
Kaitlin (16:13)
I felt that song was actually very fun. So not just obviously one of the boys in it. There's my beloved yourself and there's Fiona Apples on who left and made those choices. I think we did it quite well. I feel like that might be the first movie that has started and ended with the same song, didn't we? We did start and end with the same song. Can you think of another movie that exists? It probably exists, but I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Stephanie (16:15)
huh.
I feel like that might be the first movie that has started and ended with the same song, didn't we? Can you think of another movie that does that?
I don't know, I kind of liked that. You know what I really missed is the scene in the book where, well, two part. First in the book, Anguilla or San Tropez, wherever that yacht scene happens, which is a catalyst for Izzy finding out what's happening. But the scene on like the back patio where...
Kaitlin (16:42)
You know what I really mean?
The scene in the book where...
or Sandra Paine wherever that yacht scene happens which is the catalyst for Izzy finding out what's happening but the scene on like the back patio where he's and Izzy sit together and he kind of talks about like I'm in a relationship with your mom and you and I can have a different relationship and like yes I know this is kind of weird but I really care about your mom.
Molly Galler (16:59)
You have friends, which is the catalyst for is he finding out what happened with the scene? Unlike the back of the radio where he is, is he sitting at our...
Stephanie (17:08)
Hayes and Izzy sit together and he kind of talks about like, I'm in a relationship with your mom and you and I can have a different relationship and like, yes, I know this is kind of weird, but I really care about your mom. It was weird to have a daughter who is just like sort of like, I hate this, but I'm also on your side, so it's okay. Within three minutes, it was like a mini fight.
Molly Galler (17:18)
I'm like, yes, this is kind of weird, but I really care about people. It was weird to have a kid that I knew who was just sort of like, I hate this. I'm also curious about this. I felt like I could have been in three minutes. It was like a mini -opening. What 16 -year -old, maybe I'm just going to watch a little drama, what 16 -year -old could have said, no, it's okay.
Kaitlin (17:24)
It was weird to have a daughter who was just like sort of like, I hate this but I'm also on your side so it's okay within three minutes? It was like a mini fight. What 16 year old, maybe I'm too prone to drama, what 16 year old sort of is like, it's okay. Yeah, we lost so much depth from a side trip. We lost a lot of time from the daughter, from Olly, the best friend.
Stephanie (17:37)
What 16 year old, maybe I'm just prone to drama, what 16 year old sort of is like, it's okay.
Molly Galler (17:45)
Yeah, we lost so much depth from the side characters. We lost a lot of depth from the daughter from Ollie the best friend from Celine's, Celine, excuse me, best friend. It's gonna take me a while to correct that in my brain. Yeah, I felt like, Caitlin already said this really articulately, which is that they changed the conflict in the whole story. The conflict was like...
Stephanie (17:49)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (17:54)
So that's what we're going to do.
Yeah, I felt like, you know, our acceptance of being a particular age has changed the conflict in the whole story. The conflict was that the mother is dating her celebrity friend, and now, in the real world, that's untrue, and we're just supposed to believe that the point of torture is the age difference, and...
Stephanie (18:10)
Thank you.
Molly Galler (18:12)
that the mother is dating her celebrity crush. And now in the movie, that's untrue. And we're just supposed to believe that the point of torture is the age difference. And the Solenne that we knew from the book was very self -confident and I think would not have been so fixated on that part. So it's just interesting. And I think we've been talking about this all throughout this conversation. There are ways that things get changed for TV.
Stephanie (18:19)
which is supposed to believe that the point of torture is the end of your life. And the select committee of the book was very supportive of it, and I think they wanted to have it so they could say it out loud. And so it's just very similar. We've been talking to some of our experts on this issue. There are ways that things have changed for TV and it is where people are coming in and not having to have this procedure.
Kaitlin (18:26)
the song that we wrote in the book was very similar and I think we're not convinced or fixated on that. So it's just interesting, I think, we've been talking about this all throughout this conversation, there are, it's the things that change for a TV and it is where I know that people are coming in and not having that this is a joke. So they're going on what they think is gonna perform best for an audience is brand new to the story. As you guys know, I am
Molly Galler (18:42)
and movies where they know people are coming in not having read the source material. So they're going on what they think is going to perform best for an audience that is brand new to the story. As you guys know, I almost gave up on the TV adaptation of One Day, even though I loved that book. Sometimes they just don't translate in the same way or the changes that have to be made compromise the things that...
Stephanie (18:49)
So they're not only on what they think is going to happen, but they're also in the audience as well. As you guys know, we're almost the only TV application on the day. I didn't follow it. Not really. Sometimes they just don't translate it. So it can be a change that happened in the day. They compromise on things that are more so special.
Kaitlin (18:56)
almost the same as the TV adaptation of One Day, and I loved that film. Sometimes they just don't translate in the same way, or the changes that happen in the compromise of things that are more so special about the written word version.
Molly Galler (19:11)
were so special about the written word version. And to me, this is like one day in that sense where there were so many changes and shifts that I agree with you, Steph, what you said at the beginning. We should see this like as a different entity.
Kaitlin (19:15)
Was this rated R? It didn't need to be if it was. I... No, it... So here's the other thing.
Stephanie (19:15)
I actually don't know. Yeah, there was no actual nudity now that I'm thinking about it. Hmm.
Molly Galler (19:33)
I'll look it up. Keep talking.
Kaitlin (19:43)
The reason that I stuck with the book is because the two of you really loved it and you wanted to do a podcast episode. So I was like, I will stick with it. The things that were the most compelling were even though Salen was like this super confident person in the book, she like really hadn't been with anybody since her husband cheated on her. And that's ridiculous. They barely even swear in it and there's no nudity. Anyway, I'll get back to that in a minute. It could have been PG -13 in my mind.
Stephanie (19:45)
because it's true.
Molly Galler (19:50)
The thing is, even though someone is super confident, but they haven't watched, they wouldn't really know what it means to turn off the YouTube bar. Sorry, Bart, it is rated R. That's right.
Stephanie (19:53)
even though some of us just keep crying.
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (20:07)
Anyway, I'll try. It's rated R, R for ridiculous of the Subaru.
Stephanie (20:07)
Anyway, hold on. It could be. It's right here.
Kaitlin (20:12)
Mmm.
I mean, he does. Okay. I'll go back to that in a minute, but so, so.
Molly Galler (20:25)
So.
Kaitlin (20:28)
The parts of the book that were saucy and reeled me in as a reader were because she's having this sexual awakening with this guy in his 20s who could literally get anyone he wanted. He's the head of the boy band. And she's this super confident person to the outside world and then get her in a hotel room and she has no idea what she's doing anymore.
Molly Galler (20:28)
The books, the parts of the books that were like saucy and dropish, real -
were because she was having a sexual awakening with this guy in his twenties who could like... I don't know what kind of person he was, but he was like the head of the boy band. And she's like this super hot and aggressive to the outside.
Stephanie (20:37)
I mean, the strategy was to get for this guy, one of these, who could literally be the leader of the party. And she's like this cool, confident person to the outside world, and if you like get her into the town, she'll be happy. She's all like, what's she doing in the park? And he like, unrappig -s her. He's absolutely unrappig -s her. And it's clear that we're gonna have to...
Molly Galler (20:54)
she has like, no idea what she's doing anymore. And she like, unravels her in the book. Absolutely unravels her. And it's clear that like, they have like, history and she's like, very familiar with my book. But there's like, no other unraveling. There's no... There's not a pattern that you can set with one heart. Where...
Kaitlin (20:58)
and he unravels her in the book. Absolutely unravels her. And it's clear that they have really good chemistry and she's very turned on by him, but there's no unraveling. There's none of that. And like I said, there's one part where I don't even really like, I don't want to give everything away, but there's like, he touches her in certain areas that I guess maybe it would be R.
Stephanie (21:13)
Yeah.
Molly Galler (21:19)
I don't want to give everything away but there's a helix that just works for me.
Stephanie (21:20)
I'm going to go ahead and do that.
Kaitlin (21:27)
But like really? That's R? I don't know. It felt weak. It felt weak for an R rating in my opinion. There's no like underage drinking. There isn't a lot of swearing. Like I don't really know where they came up with that.
Molly Galler (21:27)
But like, really? That far? I don't know. It felt weird. It felt weird to turn out this way. There's no... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm
Stephanie (21:27)
Yeah, I'm surprised.
Molly Galler (21:42)
Part of me wonders if they got the rating and then continued to cut things in the final edit because I would imagine that the original script had a lot more than what we wound up seeing as I know from all of us follow so many writers on social media and they're always talking about that how things unexpectedly get cut or producers ask for certain changes. I wonder if the R rating was to give them the space to include whatever they wound up wanting to include and that ultimately some things
Kaitlin (22:05)
I would love some deleted scenes that are extra saucy.
Molly Galler (22:11)
wound up on the cutting room floor. That would be my guess.
Stephanie (22:14)
Yes, amen. You know what? This is going to sound kind of prudish, but the scene I really miss is at the beginning of the book where she goes to New York and they're in like a dive bar together and he's like kind of feeling her up under the table and it wasn't even like that saucy because it was at the beginning of their relationship, but it...
Molly Galler (22:17)
Yeah, we need almost like the spicier version of this.
Kaitlin (22:24)
But it's still risque.
Molly Galler (22:41)
but it still was it. Well, it was also just like stepping into the potential of the category.
Stephanie (22:43)
Well, it was also just like stepping into the potential of them together where he's being overly confident because in the book he's only 20. So he's like really trying to like be brave about it. And she is like loving it, but also like, what the fuck am I doing right now type thing. There was just like a, like an honest, I don't know, like nervousness to it that I really.
Molly Galler (22:54)
So he's like really trying to like be brave about it and she is like loving it and also like, how come I hate him right now? There was just like a, like an honest, I don't know, nervousness to it that I really missed. And here's how I could, I'm sorry to say, but I have to look really at it, which is like,
Kaitlin (23:08)
Here's how I look at it. I try to go into all book to movie adaptations with like a low bar because I've been disappointed so many times and I will always say that the book's better than the movie. I say this to my students all the time. And there are certain books that are like unadaptable. Like the Harry Potter movies, the fact that they're even like
Stephanie (23:12)
missed in this.
because I've been disappointed so many times. But I've been pulling the same books that are going to be access to my students all the time. And there are certain books that are un -competitive. Like, they recognize it.
Molly Galler (23:22)
because I'm a disappointment to them. I just have your name on this and it looks better than it would be. I say this to my students all the time. And there are certain books that are unacceptable. Like, the Harry Potter book, which I think is very decent, is unacceptable because, like, okay, well, it's just like a seven -year -old book because good luck with that.
Kaitlin (23:37)
Decent is unbelievable because it's like, okay. Well, this was like a 700 page book like a good luck adapting that and like the worlds that JK Rowling builds are so rich and all of this This was an adaptable book. So like I feel disappointment because This wasn't written in a way that it couldn't transition to a movie pretty easily and I think that they
Stephanie (23:38)
Jesus is unbelievable because it's like, okay, well, Jesus is like a son of a bitch. Because the love that's not the words that Jacob Harlan builds are so written on this. This was an adaptable book. So I feel disappointed because this wasn't written in a way that I thought it would be pretty easily. And I think that maybe...
Molly Galler (23:46)
the words that Jacob Rowland wrote are so rich, all of them. This was an adaptable book. So I feel disappointed because this wasn't written in a way that it could have been said which was written to me pretty easily. And I feel disappointed.
Kaitlin (24:06)
I am hoping that in the future weeks we find out that they tried out a couple of different endings with like, what are, like audience screeners, you know, to see how people felt because it felt like the last like 45 minutes of the movie, like the three of us looked at each other and we were like, are they going to break up and get back together again in like 40 minutes? Like, is that the vibe you're getting? And we were like kind of all looking at each other. And so it just felt like,
Molly Galler (24:06)
I hope in the future we find out that they try out a couple of different methods with them. I don't know, like an audience anyway, you know? This is how people felt because it felt like the last 45 minutes, like 40 minutes in each other, but are they comfortable?
Stephanie (24:06)
I think in the future, as we find out and try to do different things, we should really test audiences. We should have to figure out because it felt like the last recording of the video. Are they people that are together? Are they people that are together?
Molly Galler (24:33)
and so.
Kaitlin (24:36)
They didn't know what to do. And it's like, it was all there for you. There wasn't that much you wouldn't have had to tweak to adhere to it a little more. And, you know, this was, it started as fanfic and then it became a book and then now it's a movie. And it's like, this has lived a lot of lives and like you took it and it was like this sopping wet towel and you like wrung out a lot of the good stuff and then made it a movie. I don't really know.
Molly Galler (24:36)
They didn't know what to do and it was all there for them. There wasn't that much for them to treat them to a good life. And you know, especially as they started getting a pen and they became a book, and now it's food. Like, this is a great way to have a life and a view. You took it and it was like this sobbing retaliation, like, you know, and I'm like, I'm gonna go and stop. And then, you know, I don't know.
Stephanie (24:36)
The youth itself too, and the youth is always there. There wasn't that much work between them to introduce themselves to their peers. You know, this is criticism. We have a book and now it's a movie and they can't read it. This is a list of our lives and what youth took in and what they stopped knowing. I'm gonna have to stop and read it.
Kaitlin (25:06)
I still hope Nicholas Gallatine becomes famous because of it. That would be a win from this movie as far as I'm concerned.
Molly Galler (25:06)
I can't wait to hear what's about to come out of your mouth.
Stephanie (25:06)
I also just want to say not like she's ever going to hear this, but no, I just I Unapologetically, I've never said this out loud before I unapologetically love Anne Hathaway. I know that like some people just sort of Shit on her especially for the like
Kaitlin (25:20)
No, I just...
and I know that like some people just sort of shit on her especially for the like, coma coma coma thing she did recently I feel like this was like a really lovely not that she had a resurgence she's always been amazing but like you've never really seen her in this sort of light like in picturing her in her dowdy outfits in
Stephanie (25:35)
calma, calma, calma thing she did recently. I feel like this was like a really lovely, not that she had a resurgence, she's always been amazing, but like, we've never really seen her in this sort of light. Like I'm picturing her in her dowdy outfits in Brokeback Mountain or her like princess outfits that she's worn in multiple princess movies like.
Kaitlin (25:54)
broke back mountain or her little princess outfits that she's worn in multiple princess videos like maybe it's because I'm 40 I don't know like this was like a lovely project for her to take on and I appreciate that she did do that
Stephanie (26:01)
Maybe it's because I'm 40. I don't know. Like this was like a lovely project for her to take on and I appreciate that she did do that. Did we need the bangs?
Kaitlin (26:15)
I didn't mind them either. I didn't mind them either. I guess. I don't know. I didn't feel strongly either way on those.
Molly Galler (26:17)
I actually don't mind the bangs at all. I thought she looked beautiful.
I think even the Anne Hathaway haters will like her in this movie. I think it feels very authentic to that age. I mean, we are, Stephanie is 40. I'm turning 40 very soon. Caitlin will turn 40 next year. We're hovering in this bracket. And I think there were parts of it.
Stephanie (26:34)
I hope so.
Kaitlin (26:36)
Thank you.
Stephanie (26:43)
I'm sure you'll find it.
Kaitlin (26:52)
it.
Molly Galler (26:53)
not the Subaru, but other parts that were very honest. Like, there's a scene where it's her 40th birthday party and all these, like, divorced men are hitting on her and I was howling. Like, that was very real and true to what it's like to be at this age. And all of the crap with her ex -husband and him dating a younger woman and there's a lot of stuff that feels very real. And I think because she is also of that age in real life.
Kaitlin (26:57)
There's a T4.
of her husband and him dating another woman. There's a lot of stuff that I feel is very real. And I think that she was also of that age. It was probably very, very, very important. I mean, I'm going to go back to the morning and look at her again and I'm going to embrace her so fully. And you could tell that she was having fun, which adds to the performance.
Stephanie (27:15)
I bet she wanted to sing.
Molly Galler (27:22)
It was probably very empowering to be like, I'm going to play a woman who bags a 24 -year -old boy band member, and I'm just going to embrace this fully. And you could tell that she was having fun, which adds to the performance.
Kaitlin (27:37)
She's definitely saying there's good. Hopefully we get bloopers and she's saying. Also, I will say the other thing that I liked about their casting is that they didn't look that far apart in age, which made it more believable that they would like go for each other.
Molly Galler (27:39)
I'm sure she wanted to sing. She's such a fucking theatre person.
Stephanie (27:47)
I just want like behind the scenes of everything.
Molly Galler (27:47)
I just.
Stephanie (27:57)
Yeah.
Kaitlin (28:02)
you know, which, you know, not to like make this about real life, but like Harry Styles and Olivia Wilde, who are like maybe loosely what this book is sort of a little bit about.
Molly Galler (28:02)
you know, like, it's like...
Stephanie (28:02)
You know, you know, like, you know, like, there's a lot of people who are, who are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really,
Kaitlin (28:16)
is it about the other older woman that Herring dated?
Stephanie (28:22)
He's dated many older women apparently. Yeah. She said that it's about an amalgamation of like Harry and Eddie Redmayne and Prince Harry. So I don't know that it's...
Kaitlin (28:24)
Yes. She said that it's about an amalgamation of like Harry and Eddie Redmayne and those Harrys, so I don't know if it's... Eddie Redmayne? Are you serious?
Molly Galler (28:32)
Do not talk shit about my Burberry boyfriend Eddie Redmond.
Kaitlin (28:40)
I love Eddie Redmayne. I actually thought it was a little insulting to him. Like...
Molly Galler (28:46)
Okay, for those who don't know Eddie Redmayne is one of my like A -list New York City celebrity sightings. I was seated at the table directly next to him at ABC Cochina in Union Square. My heart stopped beating and I regained consciousness enough to text Stephanie and go, I am sitting next to Eddie Redmayne.
Kaitlin (28:59)
Are his cheekbones that good in real life? Yeah, I believe it. I believe it.
Stephanie (29:04)
That's like literally one of my favorite texts of my entire life.
Molly Galler (29:10)
even better. He's like chiseled in a way that it's hard to describe and I heard him before I saw him. So I heard it and I was like, my God. I was with a client which made it really fucking awkward and I couldn't really act on my, well first of all I've never interrupted him or anything but I couldn't even like turn my head as much as I wanted to because I was working.
Stephanie (29:16)
Yeah, was that straight out of a Taylor Swift song?
Kaitlin (29:20)
And you were enchanted to meet him.
Molly Galler (29:39)
But I heard him and then I turned and it turned out that he had been on a morning show like, you know, two hours before. And that's what he was doing there. And I just could not believe my luck that I was breathing the same oxygen as him.
Kaitlin (29:51)
Yeah, I just I felt like that was actually a dig at him because he's pretty classy. Just a little bit.
Molly Galler (29:57)
You were?
Stephanie (29:57)
But that's actually kind of who I was picturing when I was reading the book, like a gangly...
Kaitlin (30:01)
What? What?
Stephanie (30:08)
Yes. Yeah, like, I don't, I don't know, like tall, lean. I don't picture them as dancing in the book, to be completely honest with you, because he's more about like the musicality in the book. That's the other thing that they changed is like in the movie, he supposedly tried out for a boy band at 14, but in the book, he created it, the band. It was like him and what his mom's friend who like helped him kind of create it, which
Molly Galler (30:15)
I think they were all British in the book.
Kaitlin (30:16)
I think they were too.
Stephanie (30:36)
Also in my mind, and I could be wrong, but in the book I assumed they were all British.
Kaitlin (30:44)
Didn't, yeah, because didn't he go to school with some of them? Yeah, that was another lame turn of event. Why change that? You made more work for yourself by changing that. That's how I feel about it.
Stephanie (30:44)
yeah. Yeah.
Molly Galler (30:45)
They took a lot of liberties that were unnecessary.
Stephanie (30:52)
I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.
Mm -hmm.
Kaitlin (31:00)
and made their lives more challenging, honestly. I don't know. I, yeah, I liked it better than Challengers.
Molly Galler (31:10)
Okay, let's talk about that for a second. So since lovely listeners, you last heard from us, we recorded in real life the day before we went to see Challengers in the movie theater. So we have now gone to the movie and it is several days later. We went on opening night, we paid to go to one of the nice movie theaters with the reclining seats, and we watched that movie. We exited, the three of us in silence. And when we entered the...
Stephanie (31:10)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
We were approved. We paid for ice cream and finances. And we launched that with the Expo 3 .0 Science.
Molly Galler (31:38)
lobby of the theater. We looked at each other in unison and went, hated that.
Stephanie (31:42)
I feel like we watched a different movie than every single reviewer out there. I don't understand. Am I old?
Molly Galler (31:50)
Everyone at work who I spoke to about it, these gals know this, but we have a Slack channel at work that's just all about film and TV. And everybody who saw it over the weekend was like, I loved it, it had such great vibes, the soundtrack was amazing, Zendaya's gonna get nominated for an Oscar. And I was like, what movie did you people see?
Kaitlin (32:13)
I thought that the acting was very good. I thought that everyone was insufferable and that again didn't enhance any side characters. We didn't really know anything about anyone's families or friends. There's only the one threesome scene that's in the trailer. The movie was not that steamy at all.
Stephanie (32:15)
Yes.
Zero backstory on anybody. I would say standing beside the Jeep was the steamiest scene.
Kaitlin (32:43)
That's the steamy scene. I thought that was really hot. You sort of root for Mike Faiste's character, but you're also like, you're letting Zendaya's character manipulate you and like talk you into playing tennis longer than your body can handle it. And then Josh O 'Connor's character is just kind of like a slime ball. And again, great acting. Everyone's insufferable for different reasons.
You're not really rooting for anyone. The music is like very like club, like the whole time. And like, that's not my style. I thought it was going to be more about their tennis careers developing because I really like tennis. This was like barely a sports movie, honestly. Like it was just really bizarre and totally not what I was expecting. And I feel like there was a lot of potential and it just kind of like.
Molly Galler (33:14)
the music was great, but the flow was too slow to jump over when I had to play it. That's the question. I thought it was going to be more of a, like, smooth jump, but it's like, I'm just playing it really as if I'm playing it on the spot. It was just really bizarre.
Stephanie (33:27)
This was a very important thing for us lately. It was just really dark and it felt like a cracker. And I feel like people are not potential. It just kind of like sputtered.
Molly Galler (33:34)
I enjoyed the press tour for this movie more than the movie itself. I was obsessed with all of Zendaya's looks. Her stylist is a genius. There was so much press coverage of all of her outfits that got me so hyped to see the movie. And I just felt like you couldn't, as Kaylyn said, root for anyone. No one was likable.
Kaitlin (33:41)
sputtered and died.
Stephanie (33:45)
Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (34:05)
There wasn't even really like a, I don't even know if resolution is the right word, but there wasn't even like a proper ending that felt like the story moved forward in any real way. It was mostly flashing back to earlier parts of their lives together. And there were a couple of moments between the two guys where you sort of saw them when they were younger and coming up through the ranks together that were very adorable. Like there are scenes in the beginning where they're,
you know, crashing this party that she's hosting as her brand ambassadorship for Adidas, I think it is. And they're like tripping over each other trying to talk to her. And there were some charming moments in the beginning. But then the rest of it was just like so toxic that it was hard to get excited about anything or root for anybody. And even her fashion, which there were moments of kind of amazing looks in the movie.
Stephanie (34:47)
I think I'm just getting old because it felt...
Molly Galler (35:03)
the press tour was better than the clothes in the movie.
Stephanie (35:15)
loud and dizzying to me. The back and forth hitting the tennis ball.
Kaitlin (35:19)
It was like a tennis movie by like Moulin Rouge. Who did Moulin Rouge? What's that person's name? Baz Luhrmann. That's it. Yeah, it was like a Baz Luhrmann tennis movie, kind of.
Stephanie (35:29)
Yeah, yeah I could see that. Aslarman.
Molly Galler (35:29)
Aslarman.
Stephanie (35:39)
I don't know if this is also related to conversations I've had of late, but all I could think at the end was like, is this like pro polyamory? Like...
Molly Galler (35:52)
As someone who actually has several friends who are in polyamorous relationships, I would tell you that they would say this is not a good example of an open relationship.
Kaitlin (35:52)
Well, in an open relationship, there's like actually rules and you're not lying to the other person about who you're sleeping with.
Stephanie (35:59)
Yeah
Molly Galler (36:10)
Also, for anyone who saw Josh O 'Connor as the young Prince Charles in the crown, I am sorry, but it is impossible to be physically attracted to that person.
Kaitlin (36:19)
Yeah, I didn't see it. I didn't see that season.
Molly Galler (36:21)
I don't care how sweaty you make him, how many saunas you put him in, how many abs you can count, I will never be able to look past the Prince Charles of it all.
Stephanie (36:27)
Charles that's unfortunate for him.
Kaitlin (36:36)
Yeah, that is. But I love Mike faced and I have for a long time. I loved him in panic. I loved him in what you would call it. West Side Story. And there's something else he was in. Well, he was in the original cast of Dear Evan Hansen. And then he also was in something else that I watched that I can't remember. And every time he's in something, I'm like drawn to him. I find him.
Molly Galler (36:38)
Sorry, it's the truth.
Stephanie (36:48)
West Side Story.
Molly Galler (36:49)
that we saw together. West Head story.
Kaitlin (37:06)
Excellent. And I thought that his build and his look, I don't know who he was trying to mimic from the tour, but I was getting like pretty hardcore, like American Andy Murray vibes, just like his stature, the way he played, his haircut, the clothes that he wore, like that's kind of the vibe that I was getting from him. Yeah.
Stephanie (37:13)
mimic from the tour that I was getting pretty hard for like American Andy Murray vibes. Just like his stature, the way he plays, the way he plays the court. That's been a fun experience. I think my favorite scene actually was the pulling the chair or pulling the stool out with the foot eating churros together, which I don't...
Molly Galler (37:15)
Thank you.
Thank you.
Kaitlin (37:38)
That is all over my Twitter feed. The gaze went wild for that scene.
Molly Galler (37:42)
That is it.
Stephanie (37:42)
Like maybe, maybe I just needed them to be in a, yeah, I just needed them to be in a gay romance, I think is what it comes down to.
Kaitlin (37:49)
So going into that movie, I think I thought that all of their relationships were going to be way more developed. Like I thought, and I legitimately thought that the two guys were going to have been in a relationship at some point in the movie. I was like, by the end of this, everyone will have F'd each other and like maybe dated each other and it's going to be wicked complicated. And like, it really wasn't that complicated in the end. It was just like, let's let this woman manipulate our lives a little more.
Molly Galler (38:22)
Speaking of the churro scene, Caitlin and I are both graduates of Wheaton College in Norton, Massachusetts, where many scenes from this movie were filmed, including that churro scene in the Chase dining hall on lower campus. There is another scene where Zendaya's character and Mike's character are having lunch that's also in the dining hall, and they play tennis in the indoor athletic center. Wheaton has been the backdrop of a couple of other movies. Don't Look Up, Mona Lisa Smile,
We didn't actually know this until I think the day we were going to the theater. The college posted something and Caitlin saw it and shared it with us. It made it more fun to be able to spot places that we've spent a ton of time. And even though we knew Zendaya was around Boston while it was filming, she was famously at a Tate bakery for those who missed it. We never knew that she was at Wheaton. So that was kind of like a fun.
Kaitlin (39:01)
to be able to spot places that we've spent a ton of time. And even though we knew Zemmler was around Boston and it was fun, she was famously at the top of the day group for the student semester, we never knew which was that we knew. So that was kind of a fun, I don't know, little audition at the last minute before we even went into the area I was going to see on camera. Just for kicks, I'm on the tweets off right now. And it looks like...
Stephanie (39:08)
I'll just put my shoes in the signature, which I agree with.
Molly Galler (39:16)
I don't know, a little audition at the last minute before we went into the theater that I was pumped to see on camera.
Kaitlin (39:31)
Are you kidding me? Sorry. Sorry, sorry. Wait a minute. Rotten tomatoes. What do we got going on here? It's 81 % now. Yeah, it's going more.
Stephanie (39:40)
It went down to like 88 % overnight.
I bet you it's the people who loved the book who wanted the actual book to be made. You know? Yeah.
Kaitlin (39:52)
Maybe. Do you guys follow Meach on Twitter? He loved it. He absolutely loved it. He's like sexy romcoms are back. He definitely didn't read the book.
Molly Galler (39:57)
Sorry listeners, we're back to the idea of you. If you didn't follow that, Caitlin went on Twitter to see what people are saying about the idea of you. We're back to that.
Stephanie (40:01)
Here's the thing, if I hadn't read the book, I probably would be so into this movie.
Kaitlin (40:15)
Meach also said, just thinking about this scene in the Idea View and Nicholas Gallat scene and his 2000s facial hair. that made me laugh.
Stephanie (40:28)
That might have been my least favorite part.
Molly Galler (40:31)
I know you didn't like him, they aged him with facial hair, which Stephanie really didn't like.
Stephanie (40:35)
Never in my life have I ever said I'm not attracted to facial hair until tonight. What is today's date? May 2nd, 2024.
Kaitlin (40:40)
May 2nd.
Molly Galler (40:40)
Write it down. The night that Stephanie was disgusted by visually.
Kaitlin (40:45)
I'm just seeing if anybody else has anything to say. we've got images of that scene, the saucy scene that maybe gave it the R.
Stephanie (40:49)
We.
But we didn't even, like we saw a second hand.
Kaitlin (40:59)
guys, did you see that Robin Lee wrote an article about the movie for Time Magazine?
Stephanie (41:08)
No.
Kaitlin (41:09)
Okay, we did no research. We just wanted, well, I mean, we did research leading up to it.
Stephanie (41:11)
Did you two know that the the interview scene he does I'm so tired and I'm like wine drunk with Graham Norton that that was real and it was filmed after
Kaitlin (41:27)
that that was real and it was filmed after I believe Julianne was in one of the interviewers for the day and they made the audience say, really, we're just going to film this other a little bit quickly and the audience didn't know what was happening. I love that. Which explains why it is the only one small camp. Why can somebody tell me why this is why people are saying this is an extremely good Easter egg? Horse and Hound is one of the like.
Stephanie (41:32)
I believe Julianne Moore had been one of the interviewers for the day and they made the audience stay and were like, we're just going to film this other little bit quickly. And the audience didn't know what was happening, which explains why he's the only person on the couch when normally there's like three.
Molly Galler (41:34)
I love that. yes, yes. Pro tip.
Kaitlin (41:58)
TMZ type.
Molly Galler (41:58)
That's from Red, White, and Royal Blue.
Kaitlin (42:02)
OK, well, somebody caught it and put it as an Easter egg. It's like a flash of the phones when Salen and Hayes are like outed as being a couple. And it's like TMZ page six horse and hound. So there you go. A little Easter egg for the for the real. Wow. What a catch, Molly. Damn. Yeah, the Internet's loving it. So the Internet loves everything we don't. So that's cool. That's cool. I feel hip. I feel great.
Stephanie (42:05)
I love that.
Molly Galler (42:11)
pays.
Stephanie (42:30)
Here's the thing, I'm still, today's Thursday, I'm still gonna watch it at least three more times before the end of Sunday. So Prime is winning.
Kaitlin (42:37)
What? my gosh.
Molly Galler (42:38)
Okay, people should know Stephanie and I are both rewatchers. If you just do a quick little Google, you will see that people with high anxiety are prone to rewatch things that they love, which Stephanie and I both are those kinds of people. We like to like fall down the rabbit hole of stuff that we already know and love because we know we're going to enjoy it. We know how it ends. It's very, it's like comforting.
Stephanie (42:45)
Mm -hmm.
Kaitlin (43:01)
And some of us are medicated and don't rewatch everything 1000 times I have so many friends. I have so many friends that are like I have to do my comfort rewatch like I'm having a bad day and I'm like you've seen how I met your mother and
Stephanie (43:05)
Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm. This is my mac and cheese.
Molly Galler (43:07)
And as soon as, yes, as soon as this movie ended, I was like, yep, gonna watch this in my bed tonight.
Tuesday.
Stephanie (43:26)
I don't rewatch TV.
Kaitlin (43:29)
27 times through. You've seen every episode of Criminal Minds four times through. Like, this is weird. Like, you need to, like, slow your roll. Movies, I judge less. Because it's like, okay, that was two hours of your time, and it's okay that you watch that movie 20 times because it's your favorite. But, like, to commit to rewatching an entire show two plus times, three plus times,
Molly Galler (43:49)
Steph, Steph that counts.
Stephanie (43:56)
Nope. That doesn't count.
Kaitlin (43:58)
That feels like a blatant lie. I feel like you definitely have rewatched shows. You've rewatched The Summer I Turned Pretty. You did.
It's a show. What is your parameter? That doesn't count. What a load. That was ridiculous. my gosh. Okay. Well, I'm getting a little tie tie and I feel like if anybody wants to talk about a book during this episode, that's not the idea of you.
Stephanie (44:09)
We're gonna do it again.
That was like a good idea. my god. Okay. I'm going to go fight. Yeah.
Molly Galler (44:15)
She's like, if it's a YA, it doesn't count.
Okay, anymore. Okay. Okay.
Yes, we do. Yes, we do. Steph and I both wanted to share things about the books that we...
Stephanie (44:27)
Yes.
We first we have to say that we we bought a lot of books during independent book storage.
Molly Galler (44:38)
yeah.
Kaitlin (44:39)
independent bookstore day. Every time I lean into the mic and do a voice like that, I feel very Conan Bryant in the year 2000. Do you know what I mean? I know it's fine. It's totally fine. People will get it. People will get it. They'll get it. Conan's still relevant.
Stephanie (44:47)
hahahaha
Molly Galler (44:49)
You know.
Stephanie (44:51)
Yes, we're so old! I used to fall asleep to that in college.
god, okay, so what?
Molly Galler (45:00)
We had, wait, we had a grand old time on independent bookstore day. So I'm going to give people our schedule and then you can start talking about this book. We started the day at Belmont books. You've heard us shout them out many, many times. We love Belmont books. The booksellers are awesome. They're so kind to us. They help us with pre -orders. They help us pick out gifts for folks. They're awesome. And they had so many cool things going on. First of all, at the cafe, they had free cupcakes, free chocolates. Then,
Stephanie (45:04)
Yeah, we did.
Mm -hmm.
Molly Galler (45:29)
If you made a purchase, you could pick a blind date book for free. They had tons of so many different genres. Upstairs in the kids area, they had free coloring pages and word searches and this Richard Scary busy town photo backdrop thing. You could stand inside the apple -shaped car. It was just adorable. And each of us got a blind date book, which was thrilling. If you aren't already following us on Instagram, you can head there to watch each of us unwrap our books.
Kaitlin (45:48)
And each of us got a blind date book, which was thrilling. If you are already following us on Instagram, you can head there to watch each of us on that for our books. Then we rosed over to Cambridge, we went up to lunch at Sugar and Spice, the favorite of ours. Then we went to Porter's Square Books, which was packed, like packed beyond packed.
Molly Galler (45:57)
Then we moseyed over to Cambridge. We went out to lunch at Sugar and Spice, a favorite of ours. Then we went to Porter Square Books, which was packed, like packed beyond packed. They had posters all over the space that said, if you bought a book that was recommended to you by one of the booksellers, you got it for 20 % off, which was killer. They also had a bookseller bake -off going on while we were there, where many members of the staff
Kaitlin (46:08)
They had posters all over the space that said, if you bought a book that was recommended to you by one of the booksellers, you got over 20 % off, which was killer. Brilliant. They also had a bookseller that paid off going on over there where many members of the staff...
Stephanie (46:17)
Brilliant.
Molly Galler (46:25)
baked cakes and cookies and pies and you could taste everything in rate, which I thought was adorable. So we did some more damage there and then we walked to the honeycomb creamery for some ice cream to top it off. It was just honestly a 10 out of 10 afternoon.
Kaitlin (46:25)
And the weather was baller that day.
Stephanie (46:25)
Perfection.
Molly Galler (46:42)
Like 70 and sunny, which those who live in New England know that in the month of April that is not a guarantee.
Stephanie (46:50)
Yeah. In two settings. Yeah. She was driving by, I ran it out to the street, she took it with her.
Kaitlin (46:50)
We bought a lot of books. We will be talking about probably a good portion of those books. Steph read one of them like in a day. two sittings. There you go. And Molly's almost done with it now. So I'll be getting it soon.
Molly Galler (47:12)
That's a true story.
Kaitlin (47:12)
That's awesome.
Stephanie (47:13)
Yes. Okay. It's called The Bodyguard by Catherine Center. I feel like we've casually mentioned it in passing in previous episodes.
Molly Galler (47:23)
I talked about reading her book, Things You Save in a Fire, and I think we started talking about the other ones that we heard were good.
Stephanie (47:27)
Yes.
Okay, so I had an old coworker message me when I posted a picture of myself reading this to say, I really struggled with the idea of a five foot five inch female bodyguard. And to her, I responded, sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy a book for what it is. And this book was delightful.
Kaitlin (47:34)
I had an old co -worker ask me when I posted a picture of myself reading this to say I really struggled with the idea of a 5 foot 5 inch female bodyguard and to her I responded, sometimes you have to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy a book for what it is and this book was delightful. It was so funny. I just want to say at the top.
Molly Galler (47:58)
It's so swoony.
Stephanie (48:01)
I just want to say off the top, no sauce. Would have loved some, but it's okay. Not everyone has to write sauce. Who doesn't love a story about like a slightly fallen from grace, but not really. It's just like he's hidden away actor. Why am I always picturing like a Chris Evans type? Is that just like a Massachusetts thing?
Kaitlin (48:04)
No sauce. Would've loved some, but it's okay. Not everyone has great sauce. who doesn't love a story about like, slightly... fallen from grace, but not really, it's just like he's hidden away. Actor... I -I -I knew he was picturing a bit more of a sentence type, so just like a message to his last thing. I was picturing you more of a timid, real -sense.
Molly Galler (48:05)
Yeah.
I was picturing him more like Tim Riggins -ish.
Stephanie (48:31)
well, no. Okay, sorry, sorry. So there's an actor who has been like a, you know, like big LA type who has kind of hidden out in South Dakota, is it South Dakota? No, he's from Texas. He's hidden away for a while. And he has to come back to Texas because his mother is ill. There's family drama where he's not really welcome.
Kaitlin (48:35)
Okay, don't go too much away because I haven't read it yet.
Molly Galler (48:35)
Texas. Well, he lives in North Dakota. Yeah, in North Dakota.
Stephanie (49:01)
and he has to hire a bodyguard because he has some stalkers, one of which is like a 50 something corgi breeder. right. What do you want to say about it? I don't even know what to say about it. I just loved it. It was lovely.
Molly Galler (49:12)
No, the details? Yeah, the details in this book, the choices that she makes are just so good.
Kaitlin (49:12)
That's epic.
There's so many fun elements to this book. It is a fake dating film, so if you like that, you will like this. And a one bed trope. god, I feel the first night's night. I just barely did. Yes, I texted Steph, I was like, I just have to get it for the rest of the event. I liked this because the fake dating trope is all about when it stops being fake and starts becoming real.
Molly Galler (49:26)
There's so many fun elements to this book. It is a fake dating tropes. If you like that, you will like this.
Stephanie (49:30)
And a one bed trope.
Molly Galler (49:36)
God, I love forced proximity. I just really do. Yes, I texted Steph. I was like, I just got to the page where there's only one bed. I liked this because the fake dating trope is all about when it stops being fake and starts becoming real. And in this instance, her job is really to protect his life. And so whether she has feelings for him or not, she kind of still has a job to do, which creates this natural tension. She's...
Stephanie (49:49)
Yes! Like she just wants to wear a pantsuit the entire time.
Kaitlin (49:53)
And in this instance, her job is really to protect his life. So whether she has families who are watching or still has a job to do, which creates this natural tension, she's pretty like, kind of a member of Sandra Bolton's congeniality. Yes. In real life, she's kind of a roughly a different, she's forced to be more like him than all these things. Which she just also represents at the end. Yes, exactly. And...
Molly Galler (50:05)
pretty, like kind of reminded me of Sandra Bullock and Miss Congeniality, how like in real life she's kind of like rough around the edges and then she's forced to be more like feminine and girly and all these things. Yeah, yes, exactly. And there are great side characters in this story, members of Jack's family, but also Hannah's co -workers, her boss. There's a storyline about her own parents. I just felt like...
Kaitlin (50:22)
There are three side characters in the story. And then there's Jack's family, but also Moana's co -workers, her boss. There's a storyline about her own parents. I just felt like every place in the <|hu|> <|translate|> <|0.00|> year or two, I wanted to go there. I wanted to learn more about these people. I laughed out loud so many times. I kept texting staff sections of the book where I was like, and what about this? And what about this? I just think she's a great writer. And she has so many books.
Stephanie (50:25)
Mm -hmm.
This is so funny.
Molly Galler (50:34)
Every place it meandered to, I wanted to go there. I wanted to learn more about those people. I laughed out loud so many times. I kept texting Steph sections of the book where I was like, and what about this? And what about this? I just think she's a great writer. And she has so many books, like six or seven other books. Two of them are already movies on Netflix. I hope this gets to be a movie. I think even if it, you know, we just talked about how it's never as good as the book, but I think.
Stephanie (50:35)
Mm -hmm.
section of the book where I was like, anyone about this? Anyone about this? I just think she's a great writer. She has so many books, like 6th or 7th, and other books. Two of them are already released on the internet.
Kaitlin (50:52)
except in other blogs, two of them are already released on Netflix. I hope this gets to be a movie. I think even if it, we'll just talk about it. I was nervous because of the book, but I think even if this book was just inspired by it would still be really fun to try this. So I have 30 pages left. I think I'm gonna go with that. But I guess after I finish it out, I'll be able to report back. But that is one thing I have.
Stephanie (50:57)
I think even if this was inspired by it would still be a very fun premise. So I think it just left me thinking, what's going to happen? But I think...
Molly Galler (51:03)
Even if this one was just quote inspired by, it would still be a really fun premise. So I have 30 pages left. I think I know what's going to happen. But I guess tonight after I finish it, I'll be able to report back. But that is one that we bought on independent bookstore day and two of us will have finished by the end of the day today, which is pretty fast turnaround. Last week I mentioned that I was reading a book called BFF by Christie Tate, which is a memoir. I finished it.
Kaitlin (51:17)
independent bookstore to a festival finished on the day today, which is pretty fast. Last week I mentioned I was reading a book called BFF by Fisty Two, which is a memoir. I finished it. I was sharing with these girls that it was much more depressing than I thought it was gonna be.
Stephanie (51:21)
just pretty fast.
Last week I mentioned that I was reading a book called The Effect by Christa Tate, which is a memoir. I finished it. I was sharing with these girls that it was much more depressing than I thought it was gonna be. As we talked about in the Tear of Drift with the books episode, I don't shy away from depressing. In fact, I like memoirs that are about weight loss, and grief, loss, and heartaches. This book should have had like 10 trigger warnings.
Molly Galler (51:32)
I was sharing with these gals that it was much more depressing than I thought it was going to be. As we talked about in the tearjerker books episode, I don't shy away from depressing. In fact, I like memoirs that are about like dealing with grief and loss and hard things. This book should have had like 10 trigger warnings in the front and it didn't. And so I was really caught off guard. I will just say if you're thinking about reading this or you come across it in the wild,
Kaitlin (51:39)
As we talked about in the Tear of Jester books episode, I don't try to be compressive, but I like the memoirs that are about the eternal grief and loss of her thing. This book should have had like 10 trigger moments in the fact, and it didn't, and so I was really caught off guard. I would just say if you're thinking about reading this or you come across it in the wild, the biggest compelling I think is about just what you're eating. If that's something that is tough for you, just give us, because it's a huge part of her story. It's a huge part of her adult life even now.
Stephanie (51:51)
didn't and it's really hard. I would just say if you're thinking about reading this or you come across it in the wild, the biggest rule I think is about just what you're eating. If that's something that's tough for you, just skip this because it's a huge part of her story. It's a huge part of her adult life even now. And if that's not your jam, you shouldn't come to that. But I want to read something from your knowledge.
Molly Galler (51:59)
The biggest trigger warning I think is about disordered eating. If that's something that is tough for you, just skip this because it's a huge part of her story. It's a huge part of her adult life even now. And if that's not your jam, you should move on from it. But I wanted to read something from the acknowledgements because it made me laugh out loud. So Christie Tate writes to her friend, Stephanie Smith is a real fucking trooper. She welcomed me back into her life after three decades and loved me just as hard.
Kaitlin (52:09)
and if that's not your jam, you shouldn't have bothered trying. But, I wanted to tell you something from my own knowledge, because it made me laugh a lot. So, President David writes to her friend, Stephanie Smith is a real fucking trooper. She woke up to be back into her life after three decades and loved me just as hard at age 47 as she did at 17. And she left me right over in my book, How's That for Friendship? Get yourself a Stephanie. You will never stop laughing, and you will always have someone in your life
Stephanie (52:16)
because it can be a lot of fun. So, President -elect Jennifer, Stephanie Smith is a real modern person. She welcomed back her life with her two deputies and looked just as high at age 47 as she did at 17. And she let me write another book, How's That, Larenge. Get yourself a staffer. You have to stop laughing, and you will always have someone to look up to for a genuine friend that hurts no bullshit and perfectly placed top of her rep. my god.
Molly Galler (52:28)
age 47 as she did at 17 and she let me write about her in my book How's That for Friendship. Get yourself a Stephanie. You will never stop laughing and you will always have someone available for a genuine heart to heart with no bullshit and perfectly placed pop culture references. I was like, Kristy Jade, are we the same person?
Kaitlin (52:39)
Also a 30 year lull in a friendship and they reconnected because she's like, can I put you in my book? Wow. Wow.
Stephanie (52:45)
I clearly have had too much rosé because that just brought tears to my eyes.
Molly Galler (52:56)
I guess so.
Get yourself a Stephanie. That's gonna be one of our new taglines here on Plans Are Booked.
Kaitlin (53:10)
That's hilarious.
Molly Galler (53:11)
Yes, on that note y 'all, it's 10 26 p So we are gonna wrap this up. Please, please, please, if you aren't already, follow us on Instagram at Plains are booked. We're sharing all kinds of fun content over there, including episode recaps, what we're reading, the bookstores we're going to, promos, discounts, events, all the things. Give us a follow over there so you can stay up to date on all things pod.
Stephanie (53:11)
And on that note.
Please, please, please, if you are ready, follow us on Instagram.
Kaitlin (53:24)
And until next time, our plans are booked.
Stephanie (53:24)
And until next time, our plans are fucked.