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Ally: Redistricting.
That's the conversation we're
here to have today with our
special guest, Tim Cywinski.
Tim Zinsky.
Tim, remind the audience who you are, what
you're running for, what your district is.
Tim: You got it.
And thank you again for
having me on the show today.
Talk about this.
Absolutely.
Important arms race with congressional
seats that's going on across the country.
So my name's Tim Zinsky.
I'm a reformist democrat running in
Virginia's first congressional district.
That could change depending on
our redistricting referendum.
Virginia's going on right now.
It's, um, suburban areas and a
lot of rural areas, and it's, uh,
it's just a very beautiful area
that has not been represented by.
Pretty much anyone, uh, but an empty
seat, an empty suit in DC for a while.
So I, I'm running because I want to
take out that guy 'cause he has done
nothing but enrich himself, pleases
donors, please his party even at
come expense of his constituents.
But also, I've worked in
politics for 17 years.
I know the rules and I have, the rules
are dumb and they're strategically, uh,
designed to disadvantage everybody else.
So reformist, that means I'm gonna
change the rules of politics and that
way that it can work for you again.
Ally: Love it.
Love.
Thank you.
Um, okay.
So because the midterms are this
year and the Republicans are not
looking great, um, under a Trump
administration, they have been trying
every which way that they can to, um.
Negatively impact the
midterm elections positively.
I guess if you're looking at it through
the Republican lens, and a lot of that
has to do with redistricting, right?
So typically, um, you
redistrict every decade.
We are mid decade right now.
Um, redistricting has happened.
That could potentially gain seven seats
for Republicans across the country.
Five of those being in Texas, one in
Missouri, and one in North Carolina.
I say potentially because you
know, it's always possible.
I guess they could be turned into
Democrat seats, but they're designed.
To try and be Republican pickups.
Um, to counteract that, what we've done is
we, you know, they passed a redistricting
bill in California, so there's a
potential five seats there that the
Democrats could gain if they all go blue.
Um, same thing in Utah.
Could potentially pick
up one more seat in Utah.
If it goes blue, that
leaves us one short, but.
There is a redistricting vote
happening in Virginia, which
could potentially add, is it four?
Am I right with that?
Tim: Four new
Ally: seats.
Four.
So Tim, tell us about the
vote is coming soon, right?
Tim: April 21st.
Yes.
Ally: April 21st.
So soon.
Um, very important.
That's why we're doing this, this episode
today, because the vote is so soon.
We are short.
In terms of available seats because
of the Republican shenanigans, these
four would actually put us over, um,
what they have been able to pick up.
But of course, Republicans are
not gonna give those up easily.
So tell us about some of the stuff
they're doing in Virginia right now, Tim.
Sure to try and, and shut down.
Tell us, first of all, what does
this redistricting look like and
then how the Republicans are trying
to kind of push back against it?
Tim: Absolutely.
So Virginia is trying to combat
what they're, what the Republicans
are doing at Trump's orders,
and I think that's important for
the whole story of this thing.
Like they weren't doing this
before Trump said so, and
Virginia's pushing back on that.
Blatant power grab by saying, okay, we
have six Democrats, five Republicans.
Now let's redraw the maps.
So it would make 10 Democrats, one
Republican, so a pickup of four seats.
The measure that they're
trying to do is temporary.
It's through the Constitution, but
it's written in a temporary means.
And it's not just, Hey,
we're waving a magic wand.
Sorry.
If you're a Republican, we're
not gonna give you a vote or
a choice on on the matter.
They've done it the right way.
They said, look, we're
gonna put this to a vote.
If the people agree to it, then that's
where we're gonna stick with it.
These maps will stop existing at the
next, at 2030, for the next 10 years,
for the decade, um, for the, the
regularly scheduled gerrymandering.
Ally: Districting.
Tim: Right?
Yeah.
And, and you know, there's, there's ce,
Ally: right?
Tim: Yeah.
I mean, and that is, that's
part of the US constitution.
Yeah.
So there's some Republican talking
points that say, oh, well, Virginia's
constitution makes it permanent.
It doesn't.
That's just what they always do.
Look over here, don't look over here.
Mm-hmm.
Um, but.
The US Constitution supersedes the
Virginia Constitution, so even if
it was true, it wouldn't matter.
I digress from that.
Um, so, you know, this
is a weird election.
We don't usually have elections
of any kind in April in Virginia.
This is something that we're trying
to step up, make sure that Trump
doesn't have complete unchecked power.
'cause that's the strategy, that's
the grand strategy that they have.
Mm-hmm.
And we gotta do our part.
And the, the lines that
were drawn are upsetting.
A lot of Republicans, a lot of people
in rural areas, and I can kind of
hear where they're coming from.
I, I get that it doesn't feel great to
be gerrymandered out of your district.
Right.
There's two things that I
think people should take.
It's number one.
You know, to act like this is
existing in a vacuum is disingenuous.
Like unless you have an official
statement by the Republican National
Committee, or the re, excuse me, the
Virginia Republican Committee that says,
Hey, it shouldn't be done in Texas.
You have no ground to stand on.
The true measure of conviction is
whether or not you care about something,
regardless of it happens to you.
But they didn't give a shit when
it happened in other states.
They only started carrying
it when it impacted them.
So you can, they can.
Touch grass with all of that.
Um, the second side of it is though, if
you are on the level of like the maps
that are changing, I can understand as
a Virginian why you wouldn't like them.
But as a American.
I think that this is wholly necessary.
This is vital.
This is crucial.
'cause it sends a message that
we still have a democracy and
when someone tries to mess with
it, there has to be consequences.
When someone tries to mess with, you
know, congressional districts for the
sole purpose and consolidating more
power, there has to be a response.
If there's not a response, then
there's nothing stopping them from
the power grab, growing and growing
and doing whatever they want.
Mm-hmm.
We aren't supposed to have
kings in this country.
I'm in Virginia.
The last battle of the Revolutionary
War took place in my state.
This is our way of doing that again.
So even though these
districts, by the way.
I hope your fans like me and are rooting
for me, for my, for my congressional bid.
They make it harder for grassroots
candidates like me to win.
But this is bigger than me.
This is bigger than any one candidate.
This is, I've wholly supported,
I'm campaigning on it.
It is the beginning of my stump speech
now, because if there's anything I can
do to reign in Donald Trump's blatant
power grabs and lack of accountability
'cause his own party won't do it.
And if they did, by the way,
this thing wouldn't be necessary,
then I would, I wouldn't necess,
I'd have different thoughts.
But at the end of the day,
somebody has at stake to end up
as bully democracy's at stake.
Yeah.
And it, we, the people
have to fight for it.
So I'm glad that this referendum
is up to the people, and I'll
tell you, it's probably 50 50 of
whether or not it's going to pass.
I think at the beginning we were
worried it wasn't, I was certainly
worried it wasn't the Democrats.
I don't think were expecting Republican
turnout to be as high as it is, which.
Duh.
Of course it is.
Um, but I think things have leveled
out, uh, however, that hasn't changed
some of the, the sketchy tactics
used by Republicans and dark money
groups to try to change people's
idea on it, and I'm sure you wanna
talk a little bit more about that.
So
Ally: before we do that,
Seth, any questions from you?
Seth: Well, certainly when it comes to
the state of Virginia, uh, specifically
Tim, and you'd be the best to answer
this, is that, you know, right now
they are holding the, um, the, the
election, or pardon me just the vote
for this, but, uh, ultimately the state
Supreme Court also has to rule on this.
So can you tell me, you know,
is this something that can.
That people can vote on, and
then the Supreme Court can
all of a sudden be like, Nope.
We're, uh, we're ruling this out.
What, what rule, what rule does
the, does the State Supreme
Court, uh, hold in all of this?
Tim: Seth, great question.
And this is something that happens
in states all the time is like a, a
party, whether it's right or left,
they'll go, they'll, so particularly
in a an area they know the circuit
court judge will side with them.
And so that happened very
early on in this process.
The Republicans went to a place called
Taswell County where conservative judges
and he said, nah, you can't do this.
Um, because they needed more
notice or there was Yeah.
Just administrative bullshit.
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Um.
And it's, and that was overturned by
the Virginia Supreme Court, and at
least in California, the United States
Supreme Court also upheld their maps.
So at least they're being consistent.
'cause they did that for Texas
and they did it for California.
So every evidence says like,
even if this goes through the.
The, the, the maps are gonna stay in place
if it goes through, and I think that this
Virginia Supreme Court will allow it.
And if that doesn't happen,
then the United States Supreme
Court will let it happen again.
I can tell you it's a bit of a
doozy for candidates because we're
constantly in flux running in one
or two districts at this point.
Mm-hmm.
But I'm pretty, I'm.
At least if they have any semblance
of keeping a consistent track
record, this thing will hold.
Um, doesn't, it's gonna stop
the Republicans, but I think
they're just gonna waste their
money, which I'm all about.
Ally: It's true.
We love
Seth: that.
And, and one other thing I wanna say about
that, and, you know, I'm, I'm just glad
that that's the case and the, the voice
of the people are gonna be heard on this
is because it is the voice of the people.
People in Texas didn't
get to vote on this.
Exactly.
Missouri didn't get to vote on this.
California said the people will be heard.
Virginia is saying the people
will be heard also in Utah.
So you know, this is how we do
things over on the Democrat side.
Yeah, the Republicans are shamelessly
grabbing power while we are leaving
it up to our constituents, and
I'm just glad that we can be.
The, the, the proper
example in a time like this.
Ally: Yeah.
Tim: There's very few times when
people get a choice in policy.
The reason I like elections is because
doesn't matter how much money you make,
doesn't matter what you look like.
Doesn't matter where you're from
in your states, doesn't matter what
school you went to, your vote counts
just as much as somebody else is.
It's maybe the one equalizer we
have in this country, and that's
another reason why the other side.
Likes to undermine it every chance they
get and tries to make it harder for people
to vote like they're doing with the Save
Act and like they're doing with a lot, you
know, what they've been doing for decades.
Mm-hmm.
Of just sowing the seeds of
doubts without any evidence.
But we still have it, at least
for now we still have it.
And that's something I take voting
to me as an obligation, but it's
also an exercise of what it means
to be an American and to believe in
equality and dignity in this country.
And so if we were going
to change the maps.
It had to be at the choice of people.
And so I'm glad we did that.
I'm glad we went through that route.
Ally: And so, to Seth's
point, um, we are doing this.
We, we, Democrats are doing this
democratically we're giving, you
know, the electors, the option
of whether or not they wanna.
Redistrict during, um, you know, during
the mid decade, which is very unusual,
but the Republicans, of course, they
wanna put their foot on the scale.
So talk to me about, talk to us about what
Republicans are doing right now to try
and, uh, kind of create a smear campaign
around this Regi, this redistricting vote.
Tim: Yeah, I mean, this is, this is what.
Right wing politicians do all the time.
Right.
They start with a kernel of truth,
and then they create, they weave a
web of lies that creates a story that
is not based in reality, or I guess
they give gaslighting the mm-hmm.
Yeah.
The GOP is just the party of gaslighting,
and they have been for a very long time.
These are examples of it.
I'm glad that you're pulling
up some of these mailers.
What they've done is essentially take
quotes out of context from both our
governor and former President Barack
Obama, who said things that were
anti gerrymandering was writ large.
So am I, um, and said like,
this is, that's, they're telling
you to vote now, were they?
And that's fine.
That's like, that's politics.
That's, that's the game.
That's the rule.
But where they crossed the line is
when they started to use these racist
flyers that compared this, what the hell
Ally: is this?
Tim: Yes.
Yes.
Real.
Ally: Just like Jim Crow.
They want to silent.
Who's they, first of all?
Tim: Yeah.
'
Ally: cause this is not silencing voices.
Yeah.
This is actually, you know,
expanding voices, right?
Tim: Yes.
And you can see at the bottom it
says vote no and return your battle
immediately to ensure your voice is heard.
'cause we have a 45 day early
vote schedule in Virginia.
So they knew that this would be
combated and figured out very quickly.
So it's just like, do this as soon as you
can, because that's what narcissists do.
You gotta be doing it immediately.
Ally: I mean, look at the pho.
Is that the k, k, K?
Tim: Yes.
Ally: Oh, yes.
My God.
Seth: Yes.
The the, the
Ally: irony, he's a Republican
sending this out, by the way, y'all,
Seth: the irony of Yeah.
The, the party that, that
fought against civil rights.
Tim: Mm-hmm.
Seth: To now sit here and be like,
the people who were fighting for your
civil rights, they're now trying to
silence your voice by everybody voting.
For this measure, like, okay, this
Ally: is so exploitative and gross.
Yes.
Tim: Yeah.
And I think this should
be a national story.
And, and these aren't funded just by the
GOP, it's also dark money groups that are
trying to influence our elections, right?
Mm-hmm.
So like we don't even, we can't
even trace back exactly who donated
to this PAC that actually just
was created seemingly overnight.
And that's again, one of the rules of
politics that I think is really dumb, that
we can just do that and then they can hide
behind a political action committee ad.
Yes.
And not know who it's agreed.
And like, there's no justifiable reason
why that's allowed, but here we are.
And so this is, this is what they do.
They, and this is my point about
politics and our economics and just the
shittiness of our, of our, um, civic
society, is that when they know they
can't win, when the rules are fair.
They change the rules or they gaslight
us into saying this isn't belief.
And a point that I think is really
important to make here is that a
problem that is on the left, that
is not on the right is that we love
talking ourselves out of a good idea.
We love talking ourselves what
is out of what is necessary.
Seth: Yeah.
Tim: And what happened,
this is a real story.
You're getting some insider
baseball here, is I kind of
figure the Democrats wouldn't.
Be great at the launch of this.
Mm-hmm.
And unfortunately, my feelings
were validated because I went to
several democratic committees,
local committees in rural areas.
So the people are really on the thick
of the people who are gonna have
a huge voter turnout against this.
And one of them told me, like,
look, we asked, we asked the state
party and, uh, the DNC to help us
with talking points three weeks
ago, and we haven't gotten them.
And that was when early
voting had already started.
And I had to write my own talking points
and send it to them, which again, was
the apparatus of no kings and, and
how democracy is worth fighting for.
Mm-hmm.
And how these things can't go unanswered.
Um, and that it, it, it's, the reason
that was necessary is because I've also
talked to so many people who said, I
have mixed feelings about doing this.
'cause I don't wanna fight
gerrymandering with gerrymandering.
And this is what we do, right?
We stand on principle, we stand
our own values, and that is good.
In peace time.
Ally: Yeah.
Tim: But we aren't in peace time and I,
I mean that literally and figuratively.
And it's great to have our values
until an ice officer murders
another person in the street.
It is fantastic to stand on principle
until we send boots on the ground
into Iran and potentially ruin that
country and send another generation
to the Middle East to die for.
Reasons of a vanity president.
Mm-hmm.
Or for the profits of the
defense contracting industry.
Like, make no mistake, if we don't
have a counterbalance to Trump,
those things will get worse.
Everything that we've been, we've been
complaining about, everything that we've
been worried about, everything we've been
screaming about for this entire year and
a half that we've had to live under this
regime that does not give one fuck flying,
fuck about regular, everyday people, but
will enrich themselves at any choice they,
they get, they have no accountability.
Yeah.
So yes, I don't like
gerrymandering either.
I think it's something we need
to address so that this can't
ever be used ever again, right?
But at the end of the day, it
is necessary and it is, right?
Mm-hmm.
So if people are trying to
talk themselves out of it, I
understand it, but get over it.
This is the moment where we have
to step up and fight back and we
might not the way it, like the
way it looks, but it's necessary.
Too much is on the line.
Too much is at stake.
Ally: A hundred percent.
Seth, can you believe those flyers?
Seth: Unreal.
Unreal.
As I said, the, the irony
is just thick on this one.
That, you know, we, we know who's,
whose side, who was on which side
in the civil rights movement.
We understand that.
Tim: Yeah.
Seth: So this is crazy that you're
coming over and saying that the,
the Democrats who fought for civil
rights are now trying to, you know.
Change or gerrymander with,
with, by asking you to vote.
This would make sense.
Maybe if this was a Texas type of scenario
where the Democrats had just taken
the reins and said, we're changing it.
We're not leaving it up to a vote.
We're just gonna do it.
Ally: Well, and know what's
Seth: happening
Ally: here.
I think it's even more diabolical than
that because I think what they're probably
hoping is people are thinking that's
coming from their democratic leaders.
Yes.
That's
Tim: it.
Ally: Ali, warning them
against this gerrymandering.
That's how I interpret it's
Tim: That's exactly right.
That's exactly, that's why
it said vote immediately.
Yeah.
'cause they knew if you don't
vote immediately, then you'll be
figured out that like, wait, this
is actually from a sketchy source.
Right.
And again, the tactics.
They have no shame.
So the, the people behind the, like the
campaign for the redistricting amendment,
they're called Fair Vote Virginia,
and they did fair vote virginia.com.
The other side bought fair vote
virginia.org, which is a vote no campaign.
Wow.
I mean, and like that's again, when
everyday people feel like the odds are
so hard against them and that like their
voices don't matter because the resources
on the other side is so well funded.
And make no mistake, this is
billionaires who fund right wing
candidates and right wing and,
and right wing policy for decades.
They're the ones who are able to
flip into action this quickly.
Yeah.
And they do.
And we just frankly don't
have that on the left.
And I think that's probably
a net positive for us, but.
We have to acknowledge the reality that
these things happen, which is why we
should have been more ready at the jump.
Seth: Right.
Tim: To be able to, to circumvent
these, these, these things that I
think I saw coming from a mile away.
Yeah,
Tim: sure.
And so I, yeah, and
Ally: I mean, we have
the moral high ground.
That's great.
Tim: Yeah.
Ally: But it doesn't, at the
end of the day, if we're not
proactive, we're passive.
What happens are, are these tactics,
this dirty pool that could potentially
dupe a voter into voting against
the redistricting, not knowing
the real consequences of that.
Tim: And it's, and the thing
is, it's super condescending.
It's condescending.
It's p it's like they're pitying
us to think that we're not smart
enough to see through their bullshit.
And maybe sometimes we're not.
Sometimes we're not
Ally: lives, sometimes we're not.
We have Trump a a second
time, so clearly we're not.
Tim: Yeah, I mean, you know, I, longer
Ally: conversation,
Tim: I know, it's just, it's, it's
one of those things where like.
When you have an economic ecosystem
like we do where you're doing
backbreaking work all the time, and
it just seems like you work your
ass off and you can never get ahead.
And then once you get a
raise, it doesn't matter.
'cause inflation outpaced that so much.
When people are desperate, you create the
perfect ecosystem for hatred to thrive.
You create the perfect society
where division can breed.
And we haven't done enough as a
party to address that, and we haven't
done enough as a party to say, I
see you in places that feel unseen.
We haven't done enough to say.
I have your back.
Whether you're working class or a
person of color, like what, what
have we really delivered for them?
Seth: Mm-hmm.
Tim: And so I don't really blame people.
I hate that Donald Trump was elected
a second time on his third election,
and I'll never understand people
who voted for him for three times.
But I do understand that how we got
here is because we didn't do enough.
A lot of people forget that the same
time that Franklin Deloro Roosevelt
was elected was the same time
Hitler and Mussolini came to power.
Mm-hmm.
And he knew if he didn't do something
that showed that the government
is supposed to work for the
people, and that comes through our
economy and our, and our dignity.
Then we're gonna slip
into fashion fascism.
We're going to become just like
what's going on in Germany and Italy.
That's why it's so important.
We did that.
We had the power to do something
in 2021 and 2022, and we didn't,
we didn't codify Roe v. Wade.
We didn't pass any of the semblance
of like those social justice
stuff we campaigned on in 2020.
We didn't tax, tax the billionaires
and, and bolster our funding for
education and social services
or our roads and our bridges.
We didn't do anything.
That actually people could feel.
We passed an infrastructure package
where it took forever to build
anything, and they called it a climate
bill, but the only people who could
actually benefit from that climate
inflation reduction Act are the
people who already had enough money.
Seth: Yeah.
Tim: 82% of Americans
live paycheck to paycheck.
We haven't done anything on that.
And so of course when we have that,
people aren't going to say, man, I
wonder what's going on in the news today.
Ally: Mm-hmm.
Tim: Because they don't feel seen.
Yeah, they don't feel seen anymore.
So are the, do I blame them for
falling for mailers like this?
Absolutely not.
And it's a failure.
It is.
It is an absolute something.
The, the GOP should and the people
who back them should be ashamed of.
But it's also something that I consider
a failure of our party, the Democrats,
the people I voted for my entire life.
You have to do something.
You have to do something and you have
to make it quick and reasonable and,
and something that people can feel.
And if we don't.
Tactics like this are gonna
work over and over again.
But if we make things better for people
in their everyday lives and show them
without a doubt that we have their back,
then they're not gonna fall for it.
But until we do that, until we give
them something to believe in, again,
not just saying, we're not Donald
Trump, then maybe we'll win in 2028,
but I don't think we'll win in 2032.
We're in this endless cycle
until we break the wheel.
The way we break the wheel is
by believing in people again.
Ally: I agree.
And I think progressives have
the ability to break that cycle.
Honestly, that's why we're doing this
podcast, because you're not compromised.
You know, you're in it
for the right reasons.
You're not, you're not owned by lobbyists
or corporate pacs or foreign interests.
And if you know,
Tim: and if we save it, I'm giving you
two full credit and Lance behind the
Ally: camera.
Tim: It's all you
Ally: guys.
Exactly.
So sweet.
Um, but but truly, I mean, it,
you know, progressive policies.
Will benefit real Americans, those 85%
living paycheck to paycheck, we just
need an opportunity to prove that.
I think once people, once the
policies make their way to everyday
Americans, if that could happen, right?
If we have this progressive wave,
Republicans don't stand a chance
to win anything ever again.
Tim: Yeah,
Ally: that's the truth.
Tim: Yeah.
And if I can be self-serving
for a second, here's the deal.
It is means so much that you platform us
the grassroots candidates, but there are
a lot more people like me running for
office than we have ever seen before in
the history of elections in this United
States, and especially in the era since
corporate PAC money has been allowed.
We are all actively refusing it.
Knowing that that some some ways
ties one hand behind our back.
If you know progressive candidates, if you
know people who refuse corporate money and
the interest of special interest, please.
Donate.
Mm-hmm.
Donate a little bit or, or if
you can't donate, then volunteer.
And if you can't volunteer, then just
share our stuff online and help grow
these things, because people just
want a fair shot in this country.
But if we keep electing the same
type of politician and we don't get
a new generation of leaders and a
new class of politician, then things
are just going to stay the same.
That's why I want to address
the dumb rules of politics.
That's why I call myself
a reformist is because.
If we don't address those underlying
issues, we are just gonna get another
jump, or Trump or another MAGA acolyte,
and we are not going to be the party.
I think we can be.
I want us to live up to our potential
again, and we're just not gonna do it.
If we keep things, keep thinking that
the same political playbook is the one
that's gonna work, it won't and it doesn't
Ally: completely agree.
Before we close out and do kind
of a call to action here, Seth,
any final questions or thoughts?
Seth: Well, I, I, I do wanna talk about
why Virginia is so important, because
Florida is also gearing up to do this
same thing where, you know, it's been
projected that they could add anywhere
from three to five Republican districts,
other politicians in the state, uh,
say it's more about, it's probably
closer to two or three, uh, seats.
So, uh, Virginia is so important, right?
Because the, the
Republicans aren't stopping.
They're not stopping.
And even though, uh, in 2010, Florida
actually passed a law against racial
gerrymandering, most of the uh,
state Supreme Court there in Florida
has been appointed by Ron DeSantis.
Mm-hmm.
And so because of that.
Uh, it seems like that Supreme Court is
willing to just completely bypass that law
in 2010 to make sure that this happens.
Um, and so Virginia is so, so
important because, you know, we,
we, fortunately California was
able to basically, um, equalize.
Or uh, or negate what
Texas NE was able to do.
Right.
Virginia will be tasked with basically
doing the same thing for Florida, so
that hopefully this all just kind of
turns out into a wash and then should
Ally: be.
Seth: Yeah, and then the giant
blue wave does what it does.
Ally: Exactly.
Tim: Yeah.
Seth, since the US are bringing this up.
And on the board level, like the strategy
level of what we need to do to hold Trump
accountable and make sure we can take this
country back to a semblance of dignity.
There's also something I, I think
that's important to, to, to talk about.
'cause the Virginia's maps are
written in a way where it's, it's
kind of incentivized to go to
certain areas and not other areas.
Now our maps are already like that.
Um, this doesn't change much of that, but
maybe puts it more, makes it more obvious.
Here's the deal, and this is why
I was talking about that new class
of politician that we need, is
that we can have it both ways.
We can change these maps and still have
people who are willing to go everywhere,
who are willing to talk to everyone.
And it doesn't matter if the, if
the strategic electoral outcome
is there, they'll still say, I
see you, your voice matters to me.
How can I fight for you?
We can have those people like.
We can look at this very myopically,
like, oh, it's just gonna be a Republican
over here, and Democrats over here.
I want us to be in calling
for more than that.
Something deeper than
just our talking points.
And that is people who say, it doesn't
benefit me at all and I don't give a shit.
I'm still gonna talk to you and see
what you think I should be fighting for.
Those are the kind of people
we need to be looking for.
So yes, let's get these.
Let's, let's change the board.
Let's equalize everything.
But also at the same time, let's
be calling for better leadership.
We deserve better leadership.
Let's try to reimagine.
What we should come to
expect from our politics.
I think that's possible in 2026, but it's
not possible if we allow the Republicans
to cheat and give themselves more power.
Ally: Yep.
Alright, so call to action.
I'm talking to the audience
right now guys, I want you to
like and share this everywhere.
You know, put your hashtags on there.
Virginia redistricting vote Tim.
Tell us when is the vote is,
where is there information where
people can go to learn more?
Like give us everything you got.
Tim: You got it.
So I have some on my website at V
Tim Va, some resources to figure out
where your early voting locations are.
If you're in Virginia, um, you can
also go to the Virginia Public Access
Project or just Virginia elections.gov.
Like there are so many resources.
Also, you've probably already had
a text message or two from it.
Um, so just click on those links.
They're not spammy.
Um.
The final vote, uh, it
will be on April 21st.
That's the last day of the election.
Early voting's going on right now.
I love voting early if you can, but
if you'd like to be like me and go
on election day, no harm, no foul.
But also please tell
your friends to vote yes.
That's what we really need right now.
The Republicans are doing a
great job of ground up messaging.
The Democrats are starting to
get there, but they're still
doing top down messaging.
That's not enough to win.
That is not enough to mobilize.
And the most trusted messenger
to your friends is you.
So tell them to vote yes, not
fall for the bullshit not under,
and call out these mailers.
Call 'em out for the racist,
gaslighting pieces of material
that they are and just vote yes.
It's necessary.
You can call them a
Ally: piece of shit.
It's fine.
They deserve it.
Tim: Okay.
Alright.
Good?
Yes.
Yeah.
So just don't let the pieces of shit win.
Please.
There you go.
The love of God.
And if they, and if they do win,
you're still gonna be people like
me and a whole bunch of other people
across this country that are going
to fight like hell and show that
Republicans were worth voting for too.
And if they disagree with us.
So what, I'm still gonna have
that conversation with you.
So just vote yes in Virginia, April 21st.
Please, please, please, please.
It makes it harder for me and
I'm still asking you to do it.
Please.
Ally: Right, right.
That part.
So please guys, share this everywhere.
Share it.
Reshare it.
All the things.
I don't know all the words,
but just blast it out, right?
We wanna make sure this message gets
to everyone ahead of the final deadline
for voting, which is April 21st.
If you can vote early,
get out there and do it.
Tim, what a pleasure.
Again, so excited to have you back.
Tim: You guys
Ally: are the best.
This
Tim: is the
Ally: best.
This
is
Tim: my favorite.
Ally: And keep coming back.
There's gonna be lots more to
talk about as we go through
this journey to the midterms.
And, um, Seth, final thoughts?
Final thoughts?
Seth: Yeah, I mean, again, folks
like this is, this is vital.
This is vital.
It is so vital that, you know, Virginia
democratically step out and say.
We're going to, you know, negate
what Donald Trump is doing
by force anti democratically.
We gotta step up and, uh, you
know, fortunately we got great
guys like Tim in Virginia to make
sure that, you know, we, that we.
Neutralize what they're doing in
Florida, neutralize what they've
done in North Carolina in Missouri.
And once again, not one of these
states has asked their people
to vote on these measures.
It's, it's, it's shameful, it's pathetic,
and it proves that they are scared.
Of what's coming for them, the
consequences of their awful policy, their
policy that nobody wants, that nobody
likes that is incredibly unpopular.
And so, uh, you know, y'all, if
you're, if you're, if you know people
in Virginia, if you live in Virginia,
this is, this is, this is your duty.
This is your, this is your solemn duty
as a citizen of the United States.
And you know, if we, if they do their
part in Virginia, then I believe the
entire country will respond like we've
never seen before in these midterms.
And we're gonna see that
big, beautiful blue tsunami.
Tim: Absolutely.
You know, Seth, I need you to come
down and campaign for this District
Amendment because you got the juice.
My brother, he
Ally: does
Seth: have the juice.
He does have the juice.
A little juice.
Little juice.
A little juice.
Hey, man, if we, if we do,
if we do, uh, no Kings.
In, uh, in, in DC if it comes
down to it, I, I'm, you know,
Ally's not too far from there.
Mm-hmm.
And, uh, and I'm gonna
be all up in VA, bro.
Ally: Yeah.
Okay.
Tim: You'll be able to
Seth: get
Tim: rid of it.
Let me know.
I'll be, I'll be up there.
Ally: Yeah.
We're all gonna have to hang for sure.
That's gonna
Tim: be nice.
Absolutely.
That nothing would make me happier.
And Ally too.
Of course you can cam campaign
for it too, but you're busy.
You're doing these great
interviews, so like Oh,
Ally: well listen,
Tim: I
Ally: mean, I I, I'll make time for that.
I would make time for sure.
Tim: Thanks.
Ally: So Thank you.
So listen, you know, audience L OERs,
look, we're gonna start calling you that.
You're our LOLL OERs.
If I can get it out, maybe.
Love
Tim: that.
Ally: Um.
Share, share, share, share.
Get this as far and as wide as you can.
Tim, thanks again for coming today.
So great to see you again.
We're gonna see you I'm sure.
I hope many more times
between now and the midterms.
Tim: Yeah.
Thanks for the
Seth: knowledge, Tim.
Ally: Absolutely.
Tim: I appreciate you both.
Appreciate you both, Lance.
Appreciate you two.
Ally: Yeah.
Shout out to Lance.