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So like I my experience is that when people live their design, things just start to flow in their lives. Yeah. You know? It's mostly because they're just like in alignment with their gifts and doing what they're here to do. Right.
Erin Claire Jones:But also that like it will keep changing. Yeah. You know? It's like it will be amazing and then like you're gonna be drawing a different thing and it'll keep evolving. So that's what I love about human design is that like it has led me in in such an amazing direction but I also feel like my life's gonna keep changing and my design just like serves as an anchor to make sure I like keep moving in a way that feels really in alignment for me.
Kate Northrup:Welcome to Plenty. I have an amazing guest for you today. Her name is Erin Clare Jones, and I found her on the Internet when she started tagging me in her post. And I was like, who is this woman? What's happening?
Kate Northrup:And she's an incredible human design expert. So if you have been feeling stuckness in your life, frustration, feeling like things are not in flow, today is your day. We're gonna learn about human design, what this system is, and how it can unlock ease, flow, and abundance for you. Enjoy. Welcome to Plenty.
Kate Northrup:I'm your host, Kate Northrup, and together, we are going on a journey to help you have an incredible relationship with money, time, and energy, and to have abundance on every possible level. Every week, we're gonna dive in with experts and insights to help you unlock a life of plenty. Let's go fill our cups. Please note that the opinions and perspectives of the guests on the Plenty podcast are not necessarily reflective of the opinions and perspectives of Kate Northrup or anyone who works within the Kate Northrup brand. Welcome to the show, Erin.
Kate Northrup:Thank you. So wait. Is it Erin
Erin Claire Jones:Clare or Erin? Erin. Clare is my middle name.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Great. Yeah. Just
Erin Claire Jones:checking. It's confusing for people.
Kate Northrup:It's so nice, though. Erin Clare Jones.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:She's so beautiful. Yeah. So I I fully support it. And I meant to ask you that before we started, but now seems like a good time. Okay.
Kate Northrup:For people who just, like, have no idea, what is human design? Human design. Great question.
Erin Claire Jones:Human design is a system based on your time, date, and place of birth that reveals your energetic blueprint and how you're uniquely wired to thrive, whether it's at work, in relationships, in life, in parenting. It basically gives us each our own kind of roadmap to finding flow in our lives. And it's so hyper personalized. I love that. You know?
Erin Claire Jones:It's just like there are hundreds of thousands and bajillions of configurations.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Yeah. Like sort of not maybe not infinite, but Not infinite. But But more than anyone could memorize.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. And also it's just not that kind of system where you look at two designs, you're like, oh my god, we're the same.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Because it's impossible.
Erin Claire Jones:We share this, but like then there are so many more nuances underneath it.
Kate Northrup:What's the difference between human design and astrology, and what are the some similarities?
Erin Claire Jones:So they're both amazing systems to kind of understand yourself. Astrology plays a role in human design. So human design draws from astrology, quantum physics, Kabbalah, the chakra system, the I Ching, kind of all to give us this blueprint. So they're very interwoven in that way. You know, I think the simplest answer is it it's actually a little bit hard.
Erin Claire Jones:I think what drew me to human design is that it's incredibly practical. Like, it doesn't just give us amazing information, but it tells us how to actually use it to transform our lives. And I imagine astrology does that too, but it totally depends on the practitioner and how they share it. That's
Kate Northrup:You know? Very true.
Erin Claire Jones:And, also, I think that human design, the focus is very much like this is your blueprint and this is how you operate, and you can use this throughout your life, whereas astrology is that plus, like, also, is what's happening on a daily basis. Yeah. Which human design has some of, but not to the degree astrology does.
Kate Northrup:Right. There's not, like, a progressed chart where I can read my human design for this year. Like, my human design is what oh, there is.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. But it's such a wild little world there that I think like the magic of human design is very much like what is your essential blueprint? Okay. Because like that's gonna be the thing you use to navigate anything that comes up. And so when you look at kind of all these other pieces in human design, sometimes you can be like, oh, how can I try to become that thing versus just like staying really grounded in who you are?
Erin Claire Jones:Does that make sense?
Kate Northrup:Really grounded in who you are. Yeah. Yeah. Like using actually how you're meant to be to thrive as opposed to thriving through trying to be someone who you're
Erin Claire Jones:not. Exactly. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So great. And so, okay, so it weaves in astrology, Kabbalah, the I Ching, the chakra system. Any other kind of like lineages that are in there to shout out?
Erin Claire Jones:Those are the biggest ones. And if I'm forgetting, apologies. We'll include them somewhere. Great. But those are kind of the big pieces that really kind of shape the chart.
Erin Claire Jones:Where did it come from? Do you know the origin story? No. Oh, it's crazy.
Kate Northrup:I don't actually know much about human design. I'm just
Erin Claire Jones:gonna ask you a
Kate Northrup:bunch of basic questions.
Erin Claire Jones:Please do. So the origin story is wild. And I also just wanna say if there are skeptics listening, which I really hope that there are, you know, this what matters to me is not whether human design is true, it's whether it's useful. Yeah. And so if you're totally new, I would just listen through that lens of, like, is this actually useful?
Erin Claire Jones:Because the origin story is wild. So the founder is a man named Ra Uhuruhu. He's no longer alive. But basically in 1987, he had a really mystical experience where he was walking home one night and heard a voice. And the voice said it's time to work.
Erin Claire Jones:And for eight days and eight nights, he channeled the system, meaning he just received all this information. And then he spent the next twenty years building it out. And I think what's so fascinating is that Rob was like an advertising executive from Montreal. Like, he was not I think this was not the plan for him. And so he was in some ways a very unexpected recipient of the information.
Erin Claire Jones:But it's been really wild to kinda watch it grow because when I first discovered human design almost ten years ago, no one knew what it was, and it was so on the fringe. And I think I would say probably in the past five years, it's grown in popularity so much because there are just, like, new people talking about it in less dogmatic ways that I think are more accessible to a broader audience. So, this story is wild.
Kate Northrup:You know? It's amazing. And what year was that?
Erin Claire Jones:That was 1987. So it's pretty recent.
Kate Northrup:It's pretty recent. Yeah. So I heard about human design. I was in this sort of like spiritual mastermind y kind of thing around 02/2006. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I heard about it through then, but I I never so yeah. But I never really did anything about And then it really wasn't until, like, the age of Instagram that I you know, to be perfectly honest, I think I basically heard about it the second time because you started using my quotes in your supposed.
Erin Claire Jones:In my Sunday word supposed. And you're like, what is she doing?
Kate Northrup:So then I sort of, like, dug back in. So thank you
Erin Claire Jones:Oh my gosh.
Kate Northrup:For bringing me back. And also thank you for using I'm it's like such an honor to be able to, you know Yeah. Help someone some somehow, some way. Totally. Okay.
Kate Northrup:And so what why was it so why did you ten years ago like, a, did you start your business ten years ago, or b, how did you find human design, and why do you have you now devoted your career to this?
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. It not the plan also. Yeah. So I did start my first business ten years ago. It's not the business that I have now.
Erin Claire Jones:And and I'll share about that, but I I discovered it in a very serendipitous way. I was living in New York City, and I went to a friend's gathering at the lower in the lower side and met a stranger who asked to read my human design chart. And I think I was just like, tell me everything. Like, I wanna learn about myself. And he gave me this mini reading that was so insightful and accurate and also, like, really called me out.
Erin Claire Jones:I felt like nobody had put words to me so clearly, but also he called me out and that I was I was not living any of it. I was like, what? Is there actually, like, another way to do things? Because so much of my design is about not being a doer and not chasing and not forcing.
Kate Northrup:Are you
Erin Claire Jones:a projector? I'm a projector. And I was, like, in the entrepreneurial scene in New York, and I was chasing and hustling and just, like, going so fast. So, anyways, that conversation ended with him saying, Aaron, I think you're meant to do this, and I think we're meant to do it together. Like, would you study with me and build a business with me?
Erin Claire Jones:So and I'm also my design's all about being invited in. So it was not an immediate thing. I wasn't, like, on a Saturday night, yes, I'm in. Know, I'll drop everything. But he started to really show me kind of the the potential of the system, and I was just so blown away.
Erin Claire Jones:Like, I had never seen anything like it. And I had come from a startup background, so I started to see immediately, like, this would be so useful in teams. Like, if people just understood how they could work together. And so eventually I did say yes. And we built a business together for two years that was focused just on human design for business.
Kate Northrup:Oh, okay.
Erin Claire Jones:And it was a little bit early for that. Mhmm. But that was how it all started.
Kate Northrup:Wow. Yeah. What was the business you started before that?
Erin Claire Jones:So that was the first one. So we started That was the first one. And it was wonderful, and it was also hard because we just, like, couldn't find a way to make it work because nobody knew what human design was. And so and It's so
Kate Northrup:rough to be ahead of the curve.
Erin Claire Jones:It's it was so rough, and it was and especially when we're like, let's be ahead of the curve and also focus just on corporate. You know? It's just like Yeah. Wasn't like a winning combination.
Kate Northrup:The other side.
Erin Claire Jones:You know? I hadn't totally realized that yet. Yeah. And so another job offer came up while I was building this, and I was like, I have to take it. Like, I have to support myself.
Erin Claire Jones:And so I walked away, and it was really hard because it felt like I was, like, walking away from my dream. And then, like, three months later, my husband was like, you have to, like, just try again. So I was still at this company. I helped open this beautiful space in New York City, but I started building my own human design business on the side at the end of twenty seventeen. And my the my boss at the time was, like, the biggest fan of human design.
Erin Claire Jones:So it was such a Well, that's cool. It was amazing. And I think what was amazing just for those who are listening who are entrepreneurs, I feel like there's so much pressure out there to just, like, go off and do your thing full time immediately. And for me, it was so stressful to do that because, like, we weren't making it work. And so, like, I was kinda running on fumes those entire like, those two years.
Erin Claire Jones:But to actually, like, have a job and start to build a business, like, I felt like my nervous system was, like, so much more available for it, and it started working.
Kate Northrup:It's
Erin Claire Jones:great. You know? And it just grew. And, like, I left that bit. I left my job when I was making more from human design than the job, and I was like, now's the time.
Erin Claire Jones:Yes. You know? So it was it was really amazing, but also I think a lot of a big difference was that I wasn't focused on business exclusively anymore. Yeah. I was focused on just individuals.
Erin Claire Jones:It really the time was right.
Kate Northrup:That's amazing.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And I thank you for highlighting that piece around you know, people are like, burn all the, you know, burn all the boats. Right? The whole, like, there's no plan b. And I think that there are probably some designs. Totally.
Kate Northrup:That would be super supported by that. I actually am someone who does great under that sort of level of pressure. I sort of thrive on it, which I'm working on rewiring in myself. I but we're not all designed for that, so I'm I'm really grateful that you said that because there can be so much self judgment around, like, I'm wrong if I'm doing a job and growing my business at the same time, but it's so beautiful and much more relaxing. And like Elizabeth Gilbert is a beautiful example of, you know, she kept her waitressing job until, like, think I didn't know that.
Kate Northrup:Until eat I almost said Think and Grow Rich. Super. She did not write that book until eat That's Eat Right Love, like, came out. I mean, like, I think she was a New York Times bestseller or something. I'm getting the I'm getting the details wrong.
Kate Northrup:But she kept her job for a very long time.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Beautiful choice.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So things took off in a way Yes. That it felt great to then leave your, you know, leave your full time job Yes. Go full time with your business. At what point did you and your husband become business partners?
Kate Northrup:He was starting he was helping Of
Erin Claire Jones:I don't even know that
Kate Northrup:that's your setup. That was a full assumption.
Erin Claire Jones:Oh, no. It is our setup. Okay. It's not how we lead. You know?
Erin Claire Jones:It's not like he's not in the in the front of the company. You know? I'm very much like the human design face of the company. My husband does so much of everything behind the scenes, and honestly, he's a brilliant entrepreneur and visionary, thank god for him. He it we started early.
Erin Claire Jones:So he was the one who built me my first website. You know? He was like, this is the time. I think when it was clear the business was really working, then he was like, let's just do this. Let's, like, build it.
Erin Claire Jones:And so I think that was 2019 when probably we were like
Kate Northrup:So, like, relatively recent.
Erin Claire Jones:Relatively recently. Considered. Totally.
Kate Northrup:So cool.
Erin Claire Jones:It was yeah. It's been it's been amazing and also hard and all the things. Yeah. But as can be imagined when, like, you're just doing a lot of life together. Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones:But we just I think knowing our human designs has actually been extraordinarily useful because our designs are opposite of each other in every single way. And so that can be really hard if we try to be the same and really amazing when we, like, realize that we're really different.
Kate Northrup:Okay. So for those who've never read a human design chart or maybe are like me and they know the general types, and I know, like so I know the general types, and I know my, like, numbers with the line between them. What's that called?
Erin Claire Jones:That's the profile.
Kate Northrup:I know my profile. And that's it. That's what I got.
Erin Claire Jones:Those are really important pieces. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So can you say what are can you just, like, explain what the elements of the chart are? Yeah. You know, high level to the point that would be useful for
Erin Claire Jones:folks to
Kate Northrup:get it.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. Can I use your chart as an example? Yes. Please do. I'm just gonna pull it up because I feel like sometimes it can feel like this is a lot of weird language you're giving me.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. So in human design, there are five types. That's the highest level. Think of them like sun signs and astrology. So manifesting generators, generators, projectors, reflectors, and manifestors.
Erin Claire Jones:And our type speaks to how we can use our energy most effectively, but also how to create aligned opportunities in our lives. So you're a manifesting generator, And, basically, what that means high level is that you are meant to be a multi passionate doer. You are somebody that probably is not meant to stick in one lane for your life, and you need to keep things fresh and new and exciting, and you're also very fast. You can often find kind of the fastest way to make something happen and not really here to handle all the steps along the way. And then another piece for you is that you're not really designed to chase after anything.
Erin Claire Jones:The right things are meant to kind of show up in your world and light up your gut, and you're meant to kind of trust your gut to know where to go next. Is that clear?
Kate Northrup:Yes. So there's a little bit of the it's not waiting for an invitation like a projector, but it is a responding Correct. As opposed to initiating.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. Like for me in my design as a projector, I'm waiting for somebody to be like, Erin, you would be amazing at this. Like, will you help me? Whereas you're just, like, waiting to be lit up by anything that shows up in your world, whether it's directed at you or not. Mhmm.
Erin Claire Jones:So it could be like a podcast episode. It could be like a client you see on Instagram. It could be anything. But you're like, yes. That.
Erin Claire Jones:It could be it could be so unexpected, but I think the key thing is that it's meant to be gut driven for you and not mind driven. Yeah. It's not like, what is the next offering I should create? It's like, oh my god. Like, this thing just came up and I must do it.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:K. Then there's a piece called authority in human design, which is one of my favorite pieces because it speaks to how we best make decisions. And so your authority, for example, it's called sacral, also known as trust your gut. It means that you are somebody who's meant to make decisions in the moment based on your gut feeling.
Kate Northrup:And is that true for all manifesting generators?
Erin Claire Jones:No. Oh. So this is when it kind of starts to branch out.
Kate Northrup:Got it.
Erin Claire Jones:There are you know, for me, for projectors, there's five four to five. But for manifesting generators, there are just two.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:So you could either trust your gut in the moment or trust your gut over time and need to sleep on things.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:Projectors Mine
Kate Northrup:is in the moment. Yeah. Yeah. That feels accurate.
Erin Claire Jones:Projectors are five. Manifestors are three. Reflectors are just one possible one, and then generators are two like you.
Kate Northrup:And it's, I know, like, generators and manifesting generators are more common. Correct. And then the other types are less common.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. So generators and manifesting generators make up 70% of the population collectively. Yeah. Projectors, 20%, manifestors, nine, and reflectors, three. Obviously, Mhmm.
Erin Claire Jones:I think Right. Not because
Kate Northrup:Not every human has been typed.
Erin Claire Jones:No. But one thing I would say is that sometimes manifesting generators and generators can feel like when they hear that they're the majority, it's like, am I, like, not special? Am I not rare? And I think one thing to remember with both of these types is, like, these types, like, they, like, bring, like, the life force and the vitality and, like, the doing energy that, like, makes life possible. You know?
Erin Claire Jones:And so, like, of course, we're gonna need more of them. And, again, things will just kind of keep branching out as we go down.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Great. So we've got our type, then we've got our authority. Correct. K.
Erin Claire Jones:We've got our profile. Mhmm. So you're 35. There are 12 possible profiles. Any type can have any profile.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. Our profile honestly speaks of so many parts of our lives, but let me just give you as an example. You're three five. So it basically means that you're somebody who is very naturally entrepreneurial. You're very much meant to learn in a very hands on way by doing.
Erin Claire Jones:You're meant to kinda fail, make mistakes, learn from them, keep growing. So for you, like, the worst thing you could do is, like, let me, like, try to get it all perfect and, like, not put it out there. Like, you're gonna be like, I'm gonna put it out there, make all the mistakes, keep learning, and just, like, keep making it better.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. You know? Thank you. I mean, so this is a perfect example of why human design is helpful because I have always been that way. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:But because I was raised in our culture, which is fairly perfectionistic, and then hyper hyper because I was raised in New England in a highly academic family, there was like this real feeling of like, god, I'm so lazy. Totally. Like, what's wrong with me? I just like do shit and then figure it out afterwards, and I'm like, maybe I'm lazy. And then when I first read my profile description, you know, basically my interpretation was you're meant to, like, fail in public and then teach the lesson.
Kate Northrup:And I was like, oh my god. That's literally my career.
Erin Claire Jones:Totally.
Kate Northrup:So it was so helpful. Yeah. And then I could stop beating myself up. Yeah. And right now, we're in the middle of a launch, and I'm do we're doing some things differently.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:It it will absolutely go off beautifully, and I know it won't be perfect, I'm like not going to wait until a year from now when we do the next time Yeah. To try a few new strategies. I'm just like, alright. Let's give it a go. Totally.
Erin Claire Jones:And it's like the only way to learn. You know? And I also I think what you shared was so key where it's not just about, like, experimenting in your own process, but, like, sharing that with other people. Yeah. It's like sharing the mistakes, the failures, the successes.
Erin Claire Jones:Like, these are the things that make these people so magnetic and so relatable. But it is really hard when they're trying to be perfect because it's the opposite of what they're meant to do. Yeah. Okay. My husband and daughter both have this, and it's just so useful to know.
Erin Claire Jones:Oh, that's interesting. My daughter's young, but I think with my husband, it's like he's been building things his whole life. You know? And he's just like failure is like his friend. And I'm like, I get so nervous, and he's just like, whatever.
Erin Claire Jones:Let's learn. You know? I love it. But, like, everybody comes to him for wisdom because, like, he's just done it. He's tried it.
Erin Claire Jones:He knows it. Like, these people are so amazing to learn from because they just tried it all themselves.
Kate Northrup:And what's your pro I'm just curious.
Erin Claire Jones:I'm six two. So a couple pieces around that. One is that I'm can be very hermetic. Time and space alone to be in my own flow is so important for most of us, but especially for those with twos. And it also is so much around leaning into the things that come very easily and naturally to me.
Erin Claire Jones:Think when I think about all the jobs that I've been hired for, somebody that's just like, I want you to be part of this. And I'm like, but why? And they're like, I don't know. Like, just there's something. And so I feel like so much of my career has kind of gone off that way where it's just like doing the things that just feel easy and realizing that, like, that's often exactly what people want.
Erin Claire Jones:And then the sixth part of my profile is the fact that I meant to live my life in three phases, where the first thirty years is meant to be like trial and error galore, and then thirty to fifty is kind of processing things and embodying things. And I'm actually meant to hit my prime when I turned 50, which is something to really look forward to.
Kate Northrup:That's amazing.
Erin Claire Jones:But it was interesting because I met my previous business partner when I was 25. Mhmm. And he was like, this is actually a really not a great time to partner with you because you're just, like, in the most experimental time. Mhmm. And it was true.
Erin Claire Jones:But, like, it was and he was 50. So he was like, I'm in my very this is my moment. And so it was funny looking back because he was totally right, but it was hard for us to both admit that.
Kate Northrup:That's so interesting. Yeah. And how relaxing to know that about yourself.
Erin Claire Jones:The most.
Kate Northrup:Right? Like, we just be spend I mean, I know I'm making the same point twice, but we just spend so much time beating ourselves up Yeah. For not being Yeah. The way other people are or for some, like, ridiculous cultural standard. And I love that.
Erin Claire Jones:But that's also, I think, the magic of human design Right. Is I think we just so often make ourselves wrong for either being who we are or, like, somebody else for not being, oh, like us. Yeah. And I think human design just reminds us that we're all so different. We're all meant to build businesses differently and parent differently and partner differently.
Erin Claire Jones:And I think the more I have understood the designs of my family and my colleagues and my friends, the closer we feel. You know, it's like there's so much friction. We are trying to be a thing that we're not. Yeah. And so human design returns us to that.
Erin Claire Jones:And also human design, in my experience, doesn't feel unfamiliar to people.
Kate Northrup:No. It's like coming home.
Erin Claire Jones:Totally. You hear it. You're like, obviously.
Kate Northrup:Right. But it was never articulated that way.
Erin Claire Jones:And there was never a language for
Kate Northrup:One of the things I did for my when I ran a high level mastermind is I would run each one of the women's human design charts. And so for my coaching calls with them, it would help I would just, like, review some of the highlights Yeah. And how especially around their, like, we're gonna get there in a minute, sign of living off their design.
Erin Claire Jones:Not self and signature. Yeah. What was it called? Not self and signature.
Kate Northrup:Not self signature. Yeah. So that I could remind them during the calls, and it was cool because
Erin Claire Jones:Wow.
Kate Northrup:The way I was doing it with one woman would have been totally different than another woman. And so often, especially as entrepreneurs or just in any coaching environment, we're taking the advice of the person who's giving the advice based on the way they did it Exactly. As opposed to based on the way our design works. So I'm I'm so glad you're bringing this. Okay.
Kate Northrup:So we did profile.
Erin Claire Jones:We did profile. So and also the list is endless, so you're just gonna tell me when to stop and move on to another thing. Okay. So
Kate Northrup:Well, okay. So let's get so I wanna do these I think these next few that you're gonna do are critical. Yes. And then in terms of all those shapes
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. We'll do that.
Kate Northrup:We can do like, especially I wanna focus on the ones that are around, like, purpose, career, and money, even though literally everything can apply to that. I am aware that there's not, like, a straight up answer.
Erin Claire Jones:Yes. Okay. Okay. Great. Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:So the one you just mentioned is not self in signature, which I love because it's super simple. So it comes from our type. And it basically means that we all have a signpost that reveals when we're on track and also signpost that reveals when a course correct is needed. It's off track, but it also is like, that's inevitable. It happens for to all of us.
Erin Claire Jones:And so for you to be on track is to feel satisfied. You go to bed and you're like, I just feel like so fulfilled with how I expended my energy today. And, like, you drop in a bed just, like, delightfully spent, and to be off track is frustrated. And so frustration will show up inevitably in your life. But if it shows up consistently, it's really a moment to kind of just step back and ask yourself, can I show up to this thing differently?
Erin Claire Jones:Mhmm. A kind of secondary one for you is peace if you are on track and anger if you're off track.
Kate Northrup:That feels accurate. Yeah. Yep.
Erin Claire Jones:For me to be on track is success. I feel, like, very appreciated and recognized in my work, my relationships, and to be off track is bitter. Yeah. Which is like, I have so much to share, yet nobody's inviting me and nobody's asking me. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Is there any way for a projector, like, if they're sitting around and waiting to be invited? Is there anything they can do to, like, up the invites?
Erin Claire Jones:What a great question.
Kate Northrup:A projector. So I
Erin Claire Jones:just How can I help her?
Kate Northrup:Wanna have her back.
Erin Claire Jones:Oh my god. I love that question because I think there are so many misunderstandings around human design in general. I think that I always remind people, like, this is really meant to be a very empowering system and not a disempowering one. So if you hear anything that feels like, oh, like, just let it go. And, also, maybe dig in if you're inspired because you might also just, like, be hearing from somebody who is not, like, the right resource for you.
Erin Claire Jones:Yes.
Kate Northrup:Right. Just like anything. Gonna have
Erin Claire Jones:people who teach
Kate Northrup:the same thing, quote unquote, who teach it through their own filter that's gonna resonate or not resonate.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. And so I will say that no type is meant to kind of engage with our strategy in human design passively, projectors included. Okay. And so projectors are here to be invited into things. That basically means that the right opportunities are the ones where somebody's like, you would be amazing at this.
Erin Claire Jones:I see your gifts. Like, come and share them. And part of why that is is that projectors are not natural doers. And so they need for somebody to see that, like, they carry all these amazing gifts beyond how much they can just, like, hustle and do, and that's why the invitation is required. There's so much that we can do.
Erin Claire Jones:I think that my business really started growing when I made it my job to make myself visible. So pitching people never really worked for me, but I just started sharing. I started sharing on podcasts and in newsletters and on Instagram, and I just, like, let the right people resonate. Right. And even now, like, I'll reach out to people sometimes, but very much it's like, hey.
Erin Claire Jones:I exist.
Kate Northrup:You know?
Erin Claire Jones:I'm, like, giving you a thing to respond to.
Kate Northrup:Being visible, being available Yes. But not yeah. You're not, like, doing, like, a big PR campaign.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. And it's and also part of why that is is that as projectors, like, energy can be a little bit intense. Our gift and I don't know about your sister, but, like, we're really good at, like, seeing people very deeply and clearly. If people are not ready for that, it will feel like too much. Perfect.
Erin Claire Jones:And so, like, I see the invitation more than anything else as a tool to protect my energy and just make sure I'm sharing it with the bright people. Yeah. And, honestly, so much of my life has transformed, like, of course, business wise, but, like, friendships and the way that I engage with my family. Because, like, it's like, I don't need to, like, try to be seen here. Like, it's gonna happen or not.
Erin Claire Jones:And, like, I'm not gonna force it.
Kate Northrup:Yes. Yeah. Okay. So great.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. Should we talk about a few other pieces? Well, one piece that I feel like is particularly fun to talk about with you because I forgot about this about you. There's a piece of our design called channels. And channels at the simplest level just reveal, like, our innate strengths.
Erin Claire Jones:You don't have to do anything about them. They just emerge when you're living in alignment. So to me, three of your channels feel so relevant to the work that you do, which is just a signal that you're in alignment. It's not like go do it more. It's like you're doing it.
Erin Claire Jones:You have the money channel, obviously. What is that like a number? It's called the twenty one forty five. I call it the management channel, but it's also called the money channel.
Kate Northrup:Twenty one forty five money or management.
Erin Claire Jones:Money or management. Got it. It's not like, oh my god. You're here to make all the money. It's more around the fact that, like, you are somebody who thrives when you are autonomous and in control and your own boss, and you're not designed to work for anyone else.
Kate Northrup:Mhmm.
Erin Claire Jones:And, also, like, you have this very empowering energy where you can really help others know what they're worth and ask for what they're worth and, like, help them believe in themselves. You know? So it's this very kind of, like you're like, I, like, know how to take care of myself, but I really know how to help others Yeah. Do the same for them. Cool.
Erin Claire Jones:Makes sense?
Kate Northrup:Makes total sense.
Erin Claire Jones:And then another channel you have is the twenty seven fifty, which is the channel of nurturing. And so you're kind of doing all this, like, intense empowerment while, like, having the most kind of, like, nurturing caretaking energy where people can just, really trust you to hold them. But I think a big lesson for you is that because you're such a natural you're so good at being responsible for things that you can do so to kind of your own detriment and in a way that sacrifices your own well-being. So it's how to just like take really good care of yourself and then of course care for others like from that excess and also not try to be responsible for things you cannot be responsible for.
Kate Northrup:Right. Yeah. That makes sense.
Erin Claire Jones:Yep. And then the last one is you have the channel, 2,551. I call the channel of competitiveness, but it's also initiation. It basically means that you're like, have this kind of like shocking energy some way in some ways where you're here to kinda like shock people out of like an old way of doing things and are like a much new and better way of doing things. So it's this very transformative, exciting energy, but people like projectors have to be really ready for it.
Kate Northrup:And that number is what?
Erin Claire Jones:2551.
Kate Northrup:20 5 50 1. Okay. That's so interesting and feels true. Like, we I mean, I know that you just have it on your phone, but, like, wait. Can you just point on diagram to where that is?
Kate Northrup:Like, what And knowing that people who are on audio won't know what's going on, it's just gonna take a minute.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. So this is your chart.
Kate Northrup:Uh-huh. What I'm looking at is the fully colored lines. The fully colored lines. Okay. Great.
Erin Claire Jones:So we didn't even go through all of them, but, like, those three that I mentioned are the ones that Those
Kate Northrup:are ones that you have.
Erin Claire Jones:Yes. A fully colored
Kate Northrup:line, you just always have. It's, like, locked and loaded. It's your free space. You don't have to try. You don't
Erin Claire Jones:have to try.
Kate Northrup:And then are there parts of the chart that are opportunities for growth? Absolutely. So So what would be a couple of those?
Erin Claire Jones:So those are areas called our open centers, which are the white shapes in your design.
Kate Northrup:White shapes.
Erin Claire Jones:And they're basically the areas where you are the most sensitive and receptive to other people's influence and can get the most taken off track Okay. But have the biggest lessons to learn and honestly the most to teach. Okay. So do wanna hear one of yours?
Kate Northrup:I do.
Erin Claire Jones:You probably won't hear all, but we'll go through one.
Kate Northrup:Great. You can can read
Erin Claire Jones:On the episode.
Kate Northrup:I can read them in my blueprint later.
Erin Claire Jones:So you have an undefined or an open emotional center, which means you're incredibly sensitive to other people's emotions. What a gift. Also, can be very overwhelming. Yeah. Totally.
Erin Claire Jones:Because, like and when I say you're sensitive, like you can take them on and like they can become your own in some ways, and it can feel like you need to fix them or solve them or be responsible for them. And I don't know your daughter's designs, but they could have a design where they're just like pouring out their emotions onto you and you're like, I feel it all, like how to navigate it all. And so I think a big lesson for you is around emotional boundaries and knowing how to like really be a mirror for people and offer them wisdom around what they're feeling because you have so much of it, but to not be responsible for it in a way that isn't healthy. And to give you an example of this, my partner has a design like yours. He's super sensitive to everyone's emotions.
Erin Claire Jones:I, on the other hand, pour my emotions out into the world. And so when I'm feeling like in a low or a high, like he just feels it very deeply. And in an old version of a relationship, he would feel like they need to be in it with me when all I needed to do was just feel the thing. Like, I was gonna move through it and trying to explain it was not helpful. Mhmm.
Erin Claire Jones:And so he's really learned to be like, I love you. Do your thing. Be in your emotional low, and like, I will be awaiting you on the other side. Yeah. So it's been really helpful for us to both navigate that because, like, my low doesn't have to be his.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:What a gift to know about.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. Totally.
Kate Northrup:We haven't had that particular dynamic, but, like Yeah. I can really go on a roller coaster around wanting to transform some area of our life or perhaps an emotional one. And Yeah. And so even though this is, like, possibly not my design, and I know that if you read me and Mike's charts, you'd have whole insight on this. But, where it's like he's needed to learn to just, like, be this steady while I go on the emotional roller coaster, and that might be a masculine feminine dynamic.
Kate Northrup:Sounds like that could also be happening there. For
Erin Claire Jones:sure. Yeah. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Okay. Amazing. And then what if, like, Mike and I are both manifesting generators. Cool.
Kate Northrup:Which I know there's, like, 8,000,000 different parts of the chart. Yeah. But do you have just, a tip for if, you know, for if two people are the same kind of type, especially because we parent together, we run our company together, and we're married?
Erin Claire Jones:So it's really wonderful to share a type because it just creates a level of resonance where you can just, like, really get each other and also hopefully encourage each other to really kind of do what's in alignment. I would say as two manifesting generators, you guys are both, like, really here to be, like, lit up by so many things, but they might be really different things. And so I would just really encourage you both to, like, just make space to kind of do your individual things because the more individually lit up you are, like, the more enthusiasm and excitement you'll bring into your home and your daughters will feel it. I would also say, and I don't know what the dynamic is, but because you guys can both be quite fast according to your design and there can be some nuances, like having people around you to just, like, handle the details and steps so you guys can kind of move fast and be creative and speedy is probably ideal. K.
Erin Claire Jones:I would also say because you guys both are so capable, I would just be really aware of where you are expecting others to move as fast or do as much as both of you because most people are not meant to. Noted.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yes. That is an ongoing frustration in my life.
Erin Claire Jones:It's a big one for manifesting generalities in general. I would say particularly for you.
Kate Northrup:I'm, like, three miles down the road, I'm like Yeah. Hello? Hello? Is anyone coming with me? Totally.
Kate Northrup:So what should I do about that?
Erin Claire Jones:Well, I mean, you've honestly got all the parts of your design that would point to that in in multiple areas. One is a manifesting generator. Like, people cannot move as fast as you that aren't meant to. That, like, speed is your gift. You also have something called the defined ego in human design.
Erin Claire Jones:It means that, like, you've got a tremendous will to, like, do what you want. When your heart's in it, like, nobody can stop you and, like, you will make it happen. Thirty percent of people have that. Most people don't have that, like, consistent powerful sense of willpower. I find that these people are often disappointed in others' performance mostly because they're just not doing it like you.
Erin Claire Jones:And so I would say the dance for you is like, how can you hold really high standards for people, but also not be unrealistic in your expectations and just be generous of, like, they might not do it just like me, but, like, they might do it in way that really works for them and ultimately gets the thing done. Yeah. And then also you have another part of your design with that money channel that it can be really hard to delegate because it could be like, I'm just gonna do it better, so I'll just do it. But that obviously is not sustainable for you. So the answer is not a simple one because it's not that you're gonna like, everyone will meet you at that level, but it's more taking the time to pick, what do they do differently, and how can I, like, create space for that?
Kate Northrup:Totally. Okay. So I wanna ask you about I know there's, like, different schools of thought around the in human design and the conversation around manifesting.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:What's your take on it?
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. So well, now I need to look at your design. One moment. So my take on it is that, like, I'm very I think the more I have studied and gotten into human design, the less dogmatic I've become about it. I don't think it's really helpful to be like, this is the way.
Erin Claire Jones:Basically, what has happened is that there's this idea that some people are very specific manifestors, meaning they are meant to have, like, a very specific vision, very detailed vision around what they wanna create, whereas others like you and like me are meant to be nonspecific. And the idea is that it's connecting to kind of the broader vision and feeling rather than the specifics. I think what's important to know is this concept did not come from the founder of human design. And while I think it's useful, it also is, like, one part of, like, a much bigger thing. So sometimes we kind of overlook a lot of the other parts of the chart when we talk about it.
Erin Claire Jones:But I my experience is that it's really useful for people. Great. I think for me, and I don't know about your experience, is that, like, I really am not good at like getting into the details of what I want. I know exactly how it will feel.
Kate Northrup:No. When people ask me what I want or what my vision is, I get really irritated. Totally. I don't know why I just really don't like that question.
Erin Claire Jones:I know. And like life is never like, I feel like I, like, have the big vision, like, it just unfolds in way more magical ways than I could have imagined.
Kate Northrup:Free time. It's better than what I would have written down. Totally.
Erin Claire Jones:So it's so I think it's really useful. And, honestly, the part of the chart that it speaks to, and just for those that are listening, if you look at your chart, you'll see that there are four arrows above your chart. The bottom right arrow, what you wanna look at, this one is whether it's facing right or left. If it's facing right, you're nonspecific. Bottom right?
Erin Claire Jones:Bottom right arrow.
Kate Northrup:K.
Erin Claire Jones:Facing right, nonspecific, facing left specific.
Kate Northrup:Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:And why that is is that arrow speaks to kind of how we view the world, whereas the people that have it facing left, the more specific people zoom into things in a much more natural way. They, like, love to look at all the details. Whereas when it's facing right, like for you and me, we zoom out, and we just, like, see the big picture. We kinda see all the, like, subtle nuances. So that's where it comes from.
Kate Northrup:Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's great. I love that.
Kate Northrup:So if someone is really wanting to lean into their design around resources, around money, around career, what are some of the just, like, the few areas that they might double down and look at in
Erin Claire Jones:their chart? It's a great question. So I think what I would look at first is probably your type. Yeah. Because, like, how you use your energy on a
Kate Northrup:daily basis is gonna make opportunities. I mean, that's the whole thing. The whole thing. The whole but it's a real good start.
Erin Claire Jones:It's a real good start. Like, say you're a generator, and, like, as a generator, you're really here to be, like, lit up by what you're doing and prioritize your own joy, your own satisfaction. So if you're building a career where you're, like, so frustrated and so not lit up, like, it's gonna be so hard to magnetize any aligned opportunities your way. So maybe having a morning, a weekend, at nights where you can kind of start to do a thing that brings you satisfaction can make a really big difference. So type makes a big difference.
Erin Claire Jones:Strategy, which is part of type, which is how you create opportunities. So like, you know, for you, it's like, okay, you're here to like let things come to you. So just being like, let me go out in the world and see what sparks me. Mhmm. Like, is there somebody and, like, let me just follow that spark when I feel it.
Erin Claire Jones:Or you might be a manifestor and you're here to initiate and chase after things. So it's like, let me just see what arises and go do that. So I think those are two really, really important pieces. I would say another piece is around the profile because it speaks our profile speaks so much to our purpose. You know?
Erin Claire Jones:Like for you, again, you're here to, like, experiment and be entrepreneurial and, like, kind of learn in more hands on way and also really here to impact, a really big audience and, like, share a very practical grounded solutions to problems. So I think when we look at our profile, we can actually get a little bit more clarity on where we wanna go. Like, if I was talking to you in a session and you had no idea where to go, I with a five in your profile, I would say, like, what is the problem that you wanna solve? Like, what is a thing that you have, like, a very innovative new solution for? Like, where do you wanna put your energy?
Erin Claire Jones:If I was talking to me with a two in my profile, I would say, what do you do in your spare time? Like, what comes so easily to you that, like, you don't even notice it? And And if you don't know, like, go talk to friends. Like, what do they see in you? Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones:So I think that can, like, help us connect to those kind of innate gifts. And there are so many pieces that can speak to it in our design, but I think, like, profile and type are so fundamental in that way because often we're just not living in alignment with those pieces.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Would you say that when people are living in alignment with their design, it gets easier to have financial success?
Erin Claire Jones:I think so. I think absolutely. Like, I think that there's it's funny because in human design, there are so many, like, intricate levels where it's like there are, like, money gates and areas that you're meant to profit. And, like, I think those things are useful. And, also, like, if you're not living the basics of your design, it's, like, impossible to make anything happen.
Erin Claire Jones:So my experience is that when people are living in alignment, like creating opportunities in a way that feels really inflow for them, using their energy in a way that feels satisfying, like money starts to come. Yeah. You know? And it's not like maybe it's not like the most money in the world because maybe that would have been unsustainable. Who knows?
Erin Claire Jones:You know? But it's more like I think that things become really sustainable and things become very successful in people's lives, but they feel really good. Mhmm. And like I can't say and I'm sure you've had this experience. I've had so many clients that have been very successful by so many conventional terms, their experience of creating that success was miserable.
Kate Northrup:The worst.
Erin Claire Jones:And so I think human design helps us know, like, how do you actually create success in a way that actually just, like, feels so good. For sure. And there
Kate Northrup:are so many times where choosing the feeling over just the number is going to be for sure
Erin Claire Jones:And I feel like you're best choice. Like I feel like you said you made a big shift in your business.
Kate Northrup:I did. Yeah. We did. Yeah. It was great.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. We and we chose it not from a financial perspective. We we said goodbye to 7 figures of revenue. Yeah. And we were just like, okay.
Erin Claire Jones:I know.
Kate Northrup:See what happens. And then, yeah, we had our biggest year ever. Yeah. But we didn't do it to have our biggest year ever because there was no plan for that.
Erin Claire Jones:You did it because it felt right.
Kate Northrup:We did it because it felt right.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. So, like, I my experience is that when people live their design, like, things just start to flow in their lives. Yeah. You know? It's mostly because they're just, like, in alignment with their gifts and doing what they're here to do.
Erin Claire Jones:Right. But also that, like, it will keep changing. Yeah. You know? It's like, it will be amazing.
Erin Claire Jones:And then like, you're gonna be drawn to a different thing and then it will keep evolving. And so that's what I love about human design is that, like, it has led me in in such an amazing direction, but I also know that, like, my life's gonna keep changing and my design just like serves as an anchor to make sure I keep moving in a way that feels really in alignment for me.
Kate Northrup:Right. Because your design is like a way to operate regardless of the external circumstances, but of course, operating in that way shifts the external circumstances.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. It's like this is your operating system. Right. And, like, the more you flow with it, the better life will be. And the more you resist it, like, things are just gonna probably be harder.
Erin Claire Jones:Doesn't mean you can't accomplish and do things. You can do whatever you want. Right. But it just might be, like, a lot more pushing.
Kate Northrup:With as much detail as you care to share Yeah. In a couple of minutes Yeah. But I'm just curious, like, what are the gates?
Erin Claire Jones:The gates. Yes.
Kate Northrup:Because I just hear about them. I don't know what they are.
Erin Claire Jones:Totally. Just curious. So okay. So we talked about your channels. Remember the strengths?
Erin Claire Jones:Yes. Those are made up of two gates.
Kate Northrup:Oh. They have one on either end?
Erin Claire Jones:Correct. So there are 64 gates in a human design chart. We all have 26 activated in our chart. Some of those make up channels. So some of those make up, like, consistent strengths that we carry in our lives, whereas others are just, like, kinda hang in there.
Erin Claire Jones:And they're a quality that we carry, but we're kind of looking for somebody else to kind of bring that other part. Okay. And so the way that I like to think of Gates is, like, it's a really beautiful place to look at when you look at a partnership. Mhmm. To look at, like, what are you guys creating with each other?
Erin Claire Jones:Like, what is the support you can find in other people? Do you wanna hear about one of yours as an example? It's not consistent energy within people, so that's why I often think it's not always like the first
Kate Northrup:Number one. Place to go. Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones:Like, for example, one of your gates I'll share about two of yours. One of your gates is Gate 58, the Gate Of Zest And Vitality. It basically means, like, you've got such drive to just, like, improve things and, like, make things better and transform things, but you might not always know in the moment exactly where to put that energy. And sometimes being around the right people will just bring it out of you, and you're like, oh, I know exactly where to put it. Okay.
Erin Claire Jones:Does that make sense? Yeah. Totally. And then another gate that you have is like you are just you have the gate of ideas. It basically means that you have way more ideas than you will ever know what to do with.
Erin Claire Jones:If you try to make them all happen, it's gonna be hard. Yes. Idea machine. You know? And then, like
Kate Northrup:It's also gonna be hard on my marriage.
Erin Claire Jones:Correct. And so, like, when you're around the right people my husband has this too. It's often like he has an idea. Everyone's like, you should build it. He's like, somebody totally can.
Kate Northrup:Absolutely. Right. Like, because we're not doing that.
Erin Claire Jones:I cannot build them all. You know? So it's just good for you to know that, like, you have so many ideas, and, like, they'll come out around the right people, but also you can't build them all.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Yeah.
Kate Northrup:Parenting. So I actually haven't really fully run my girls charts. Yeah. Certainly not recently.
Erin Claire Jones:I'm not
Kate Northrup:sure I've done I've done my second daughter's, but, my first is a manifestor. So yeah. And my mom's a manifestor.
Erin Claire Jones:Mine too.
Kate Northrup:Oh, cool. Yeah. So, just any, like, tips for I mean, I know you'd need to know, like, a lot more of her
Erin Claire Jones:chart, but, like,
Kate Northrup:tips for supporting a manifestor as her mother.
Erin Claire Jones:I love that. My mom is a manifestor, so is my sister. So I grew up in a family of 50% manifestors.
Kate Northrup:Our little one is a manifesting generator. But, anyway Okay. I'll I'll go look.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay. So, manifestors, I know we haven't really talked about them much. They are very powerful, impactful, provocative forces. And even from a young age, they often wanna kinda lead the charge Yes. And do their own thing.
Erin Claire Jones:And so, obviously, as a parent, there's gonna be some boundaries there where you can't just, go be free, do your thing. But I would say wherever you can give her freedom, they kind of like set the terms. Great. You know? It could be like, okay.
Erin Claire Jones:We have one day where you call the shots. We'll do whatever you wanna do. Like, we are following your lead. So I think ways that you can kind of support that natural leadership from an early age. I think with manifestors, communication is so important.
Erin Claire Jones:Often they just like wanna go off and do their own thing and might not let anybody know and it can feel hard. So any way to just like create a cycle where you're like, I'm gonna keep you in
Kate Northrup:the loop, you keep me in
Erin Claire Jones:the loop, we're just gonna keep each other informed is really, really good. And also like manifestors, like you can't really tell them what to do, which of course you're gonna have to, to some degree as a parent, but like, you know, they're like, why can't I do this? Like, let them know why, explain to them, like just respect them in that way. Like, I think that they just be like, no. You can't because, like, it's just not gonna work for them and, honestly, probably not for most of us.
Kate Northrup:Well, it's interesting because when when our older girl asks me those questions, which she pretty much always has when I'm given a boundary, it's actually been great because sometimes I I am aware that I don't have a good answer. Yeah. And so it's helped me deconstruct some internal programming Yeah. And realize that actually the answer is yes. And I was just saying no because, like, that's what my parents said.
Kate Northrup:Totally. And it's like, why? Why? And so she's been, you know, helping me too.
Erin Claire Jones:I love that. And, like, manifestors are very provocative. Like, they're here to, like, provoke and change things and inspire, like, people to do things differently. So, like, that's such a great example. I think one other piece I would share is that you and Mike both have, like, all this powerful, creative, consistent energy.
Erin Claire Jones:Manifestors energy really ebbs and flows. They can have, like, weeks or days or hours where they're, like, on fire and so inspired and then, like, weeks or days or hours where they're, like, really wanna be alone and just like away from other people's energy. So I would just also give her a lot of space to be alone and like whenever she needs it, you know, and not bust into her room without asking. Great.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. That sounds good.
Erin Claire Jones:Does that do you see those things in her?
Kate Northrup:I do. I totally do. Yeah. Now I'm excited to dive into both of their charts.
Erin Claire Jones:It's so fun.
Kate Northrup:What art is like a favorite or maybe a few favorite stories from clients that you had where they came I mean, you told your own story, which was really great. But where they came in, learned their design, made a shift, and had a beautiful transformation in an area of their life.
Erin Claire Jones:Could it
Kate Northrup:be their health, their marriage, parenting, career.
Erin Claire Jones:Totally. I think one that comes to mind is a client of mine from a few years ago, and I remember her coming to me. She was a manifesting generator like you, and she was like, Erin, like, I have been, like, wanting this dream job for years. I've, like, been chasing after with my whole heart. And, like, now that I'm here, I hate it.
Erin Claire Jones:And it just became so clear in our conversation that, like, she had just, like, created the thing that she thought she should want Yeah. But it was not at all driven by her gut. And she was so lucky where she could quit the job. She literally quit, I think, the day after our session. Amazing.
Erin Claire Jones:I mean, she was very much like, okay. Let's try something new. And I was like, just, like, see what you respond to. See what sparks you. Like, don't force it.
Erin Claire Jones:And a few year not a few years. A few weeks later, she met a friend and, like, he mentioned this role at a health care startup and, like, her whole body lit up, and it was so not what she thought she wanted to do, but, like, it just felt like the right thing. And so it was so fun. I watched her go build an amazing team there. I worked for that whole team, and then, like, then she became an executive coach.
Erin Claire Jones:And so I think it was just so cool to watch her career unfold in a different way when she stopped forcing it.
Kate Northrup:Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones:I think that I have, like, so many countless stories of families and partners. I just can't even tell you that I'll how often I'll sit down with romantic and business partners, romantic or business partners, where they're having so much friction, not because, like, anything's wrong, but just because they don't get each other. Yeah. Like, I remember sitting down with two where one of them was meant to make decisions very fast in the moment, super spontaneous. The other one was meant to be very slow.
Erin Claire Jones:And she was so frustrated with him. She was like, he's just so slow and, like, he changes his mind all the time. And I'm like, because he's not meant to be quick. And, of course, he's gonna keep flip flopping if, like, you're asking for an answer immediately. Yeah.
Erin Claire Jones:You know? Like, if you just, like, give him space and time, like, that's gonna be the best thing for your collective decisions. So I think, like, those moments have been so powerful because they just like, the minute they understand each other, they just, like, have so much more compassion. Another one that comes what?
Kate Northrup:Keep I've keep going. This is great.
Erin Claire Jones:I'm also writing my book right now, so I'm like, I've got so many stories. Alive. I think another one that comes to mind is and we're sitting with this generator client, and generators are very, like, masterful and committed and dedicated. And he was like, Erin, I'm, like, really frustrated with my daughter. Like, she is playing lacrosse, softball softball, soccer, like, literally all the sports.
Erin Claire Jones:He's like, she is not choosing one. Like, I chose one, and I stuck with it my entire, like, high school career. And I was like, can I take a look at her chart? Yeah. She was obviously a manifesting generator.
Erin Claire Jones:And I was like, she's doing it just right. You know? Like, you're getting so frustrated not because she's doing anything wrong or because she's flaky, but, like, she's meant to try it all. And, like, your job is to just, like, support that even though that's not the way that you operate. And so it's just, like, such a consistent theme in these
Kate Northrup:So good.
Erin Claire Jones:Sessions is just, like, people just are like, oh, like, this is my way and this is their way. And, like, it's okay that it's different.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. I mean, it's really just like the ultimate celebration of diversity Yes. Yes. Which does make all of our relationships stronger. Yes.
Kate Northrup:So but it's like, we I mean, we always are gonna see the world through the lens of ourselves. Absolutely. And that's such a limitation. Right? And so really being able to have this practical tool.
Kate Northrup:I mean, like, tonight, I'm going to go get Mike's I'm going to get the girls. I'm so excited to just be able to utilize that more easily to seems like it's going to ease any any, but many points of frustration and friction that aren't necessary.
Erin Claire Jones:Totally. And, like and I remember even looking at my family that I grew up with and just be like, oh, obviously, is why it was so hard. Right. You know? And so, like, it just again, it just brings so much understanding where it's like, now I, like, know how to support you because people just need really, really different things, and human design reminds us what those things are.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So now that we really get how useful this could be, I'm sure folks are wondering, like, okay.
Kate Northrup:How do I get my chart done? How do I learn about my thing? You know, they've just heard you share about mine. I'm sure they want to know about theirs.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:So I know that you have this incredible blueprint Yes. And we've customized version for our people. Yes. So will you tell folks at first where they can run their or how they can run their chart Yeah. And then, like, a little bit about what the blueprint is, and I'll tell them what I added in.
Erin Claire Jones:Of course. Okay. So you can run your chart at KateNorthrop.com/HD.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Erin Claire Jones:Okay.
Kate Northrup:Correct.
Erin Claire Jones:I was like, did I get it right?
Kate Northrup:We'll put the link in the show notes. And, you know, if you're on Instagram, if you wanna just DM me the word design Yeah. We'll also get it hooked up there. Perfect. So DM me the word design, and
Erin Claire Jones:you'll get that done. And you can look up your chart for free. You can download a free personalized summary on that site. If you're like, okay. I actually wanna, like, learn all the things.
Erin Claire Jones:Tell me everything, whether it's for you or your kids or your partner or your colleagues. The blueprint is basically a 55 plus page hyper personalized guide all about your unique design. Just so you guys know how hyper personalized, there are hundreds of thousands of possible versions of the blueprint. And my favorite part about it, why we created it, is that it's this very, like, practical exploration of, like, how you're meant to operate in every area of your life. We go it goes through everything we talked about today.
Erin Claire Jones:Your channels, your centers, your, like, decision making, how you use your energy, and it talks about, like, how are what are suggestions that you can, like, actually use this in your life? What are ways that you can really reflect on So think of it as, like, your own operating manual to you. Often people will print them out and, like, print out their family's blueprints and put them on the bedside table.
Kate Northrup:I'm a % doing that. I know. Get them bound and eliminated.
Erin Claire Jones:Exactly. It's just like it's just like it's a book all about you, and I think I mean, I love having that. Yeah. And I think especially in those moments like you're saying of, like, resistance or challenge or things aren't flowing to go back and be like, oh, of course, it's not flowing because, like, I'm trying to be a thing that I'm not.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Or I'm trying to get somebody else to be a thing that I am that they're not.
Erin Claire Jones:Which is so often the case.
Kate Northrup:Like, with our children, with our spouses, with people we work with, with our mother. Totally. You know, whatever. Whatever it
Erin Claire Jones:may Totally.
Kate Northrup:Okay. And I just wanna say with the blueprint, what I love about it is the sections are very user friendly, so sometimes people I think can shy away from systems because they're very technical,
Erin Claire Jones:and
Kate Northrup:the way you've done the blueprint is very personalized, but it's not like I have to know how to read a human design chart
Erin Claire Jones:At all.
Kate Northrup:In order to utilize my blueprint, and I think that's really important. Because even as somebody like
Erin Claire Jones:That's true.
Kate Northrup:Just with the analogy of astrology, I'm like, I actually know a lot about astrology, and I can read people's charts. But even when I'm reading stuff and people are jargony, I'd, like, leave my body, and I can no longer follow along. And so I just wanna make sure people know that it's not that.
Erin Claire Jones:It's not, like, here to teach you all the intricacies of the chart. It's here to teach you how to, like, use your unique human design to live your best life in every area. Exactly. And so it's just like, again, people, like, use it for years.
Kate Northrup:Yes.
Erin Claire Jones:So and we have a very special one that we've created together.
Kate Northrup:You do. Yeah. So this one is specifically I put in some of those key pieces around how you can use your design for prosperity.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah.
Kate Northrup:And there's a beautiful intro letter, and it's branded, and so it looks like our stuff, and it's just really beautiful. So you can get that at KateNorthrup.com/hd. You can just run your design for for free, or you can go and actually get your blueprint, which is robust and beautiful. Thank you so much for being here. This has been really fun.
Kate Northrup:I've learned a lot. I'm excited, obviously.
Erin Claire Jones:The man amusing dinner to out their bed.
Kate Northrup:Yeah. Oh my god. I am just like a little match ready to be ready to be lit. Yeah. So where can people follow along and learn more about what you do?
Erin Claire Jones:So on Instagram, I'm at Erin Clare Jones in human design blueprint, and you'll see when you go to that page also, you can everything's there.
Kate Northrup:Great.
Erin Claire Jones:Yeah. The blueprint's the key piece.
Kate Northrup:Erin Clare Jones. Yeah. And we'll put that in the show notes.
Erin Claire Jones:Perfect.
Kate Northrup:Thank you for being here. This was great.
Erin Claire Jones:Thank you for having me.
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