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If you want a wrestling podcast that keeps it 100% real on all the topics you love, you’ve com to the right place. No Gimmicks is dedicated to bringing you commentary from the worlds of pro wrestling, entertainment and when the moment calls for it, social events. Be warned, don’t come with a closed mind. This isn’t a gimmick show.
What is up, ladies and gents? Welcome back to the no gimmicks podcast here on the DFPN. We got a great show laid out for you guys tonight. We have not only my cohost tonight, the the dark lord himself, d vader. What's up, man?
Speaker 1:How you doing?
Speaker 2:Oh, man. I'm just chilling. You telling me?
Speaker 1:Listen. I hope you appreciate this shit.
Speaker 2:Oh, so you dress up you said you dress up as a as a Jedi?
Speaker 1:Yes. I don't
Speaker 2:You see, I was, you you see, I was gonna get suited up, and then I'm like, well, you know, I was gonna do Michael Myers.
Speaker 1:You just oh,
Speaker 2:I'm on fire. Yeah. But I was probably doing all that, so I just said fuck
Speaker 1:it. All good, man. All good. Welcome back. Welcome back.
Speaker 1:We got a couple of we got a couple of guests with us tonight from the USDN podcast, 1st and foremost. The owner and chairman of the Council of Nerds himself, a great writer, a staunch researcher, and somebody who's doing some great shorts on how to pick up some great comic books. He's got his shorts series running now. Mister Jeffy Jeff, what's up with you, man?
Speaker 3:What is going on? You're gonna make me blush. I am rocking the rebels T shirt tonight, and I topped it off or bottomed off. I I don't know how to put it, but I got my PJ pants with the Star Wars on it too.
Speaker 1:I got the full ensemble on. This fuck it's hot, bro. Like
Speaker 3:Dude, Jedi Rose don't breathe. Jay don't breathe, bro.
Speaker 1:This gonna be a quick show.
Speaker 2:I I I don't I I don't wanna hear about how hot you are.
Speaker 1:Oh, I know. I know. I do
Speaker 2:that kid. I I just dress up as Vazie every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yes.
Speaker 2:You did. So This is why I'm dressed up.
Speaker 1:So I'm like I'm like, I owe him 1.
Speaker 2:So Did
Speaker 3:you get the cooling system for the Vader suit?
Speaker 2:No. I haven't gotten it yet. I'm waiting for I got some other, I got another armor and helmet set coming, so that's what I'm gonna do at. Till then, I'm just, winging it.
Speaker 1:Right on. Right on. So let me get let me get to my other guest tonight. First time on no gimmicks. It's been a long time coming, man.
Speaker 1:We we've collaborated on a lot of work. You know him from BCP plus, the Bob Culture podcast. He's put in his foot into the media world. He's he's slowly taken that over with the BCP Plus online, mag that he's got, and he he's just an all around great guy. Please welcome to no gimmicks, Rob.
Speaker 1:What is up, brother?
Speaker 4:Oh, thank you. Appreciate it, Calvin. We we are breaking into the media, sir, as always, man, and I always appreciate you, man. Just you spear spearheading stuff with the UFL. Some of the wrestling stuff we're trying to get bigger opportunities to, man.
Speaker 4:So I I always got nothing but love for you, man. I appreciate you having me on. Was that Monteezy on the theme song?
Speaker 3:It was.
Speaker 4:It's good. Yeah. I love Monteezy. Actually, I almost gotta play with him once. Funny story, I'll save that for off air, but that's that's very, very cool.
Speaker 4:And, also, I didn't get the memo, dude. I do have Chewbacca pajamas like a onesie, so, you know, next time.
Speaker 1:You know what? I, yeah, I kept this because it was it was a it was a show that I told Frank Dee that I was gonna do it. I didn't wanna I didn't wanna make it like a whole thing. I was like, last week, he donned his attire, and I felt bad. So this week, I donned my attire.
Speaker 1:I didn't I didn't put the responsibility on anybody else, but
Speaker 4:I like it.
Speaker 1:Now now she said that I definitely
Speaker 3:I talked to him to doing a whole show as Vater. I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:Yeah, man. Yeah. So before we get into the meat and potatoes of tonight, I do wanna go over something. And it was announced yesterday that WWE launched a WWE ID, which is independent developmental program that they're gonna start working with the independents. And what this means is they're gonna provide, certain talents, not necessarily certain talents, but talents that go to through these schools that they had designated with the w I WWE ID.
Speaker 1:They have a pathway now to get to the WWE, and there were 5 schools named. One of them is here in Texas. So they pretty much have one on every coast. I know they have Knox and Cali. There's Elite Pro, Reality of Wrestling, and then there's one out of Jersey.
Speaker 1:There's another one out of Jersey. But they they are setting up shop in the independence, and it it seems on the surface like a great idea. I wanna go around the room first. I'm gonna start with you, Frank d. What are your thoughts on this WWE ID and what this means for the independents?
Speaker 2:I mean, on surface, it sounds like a good opportunity and a good idea. Right? But then if you do your history, you know that pretty much they're just going to take over the independence and raid them just like Vince did with the territories back in the day. Essentially, what he's doing is locking down and what I mean by he, I'm talking about triple h, t k o. What they're doing is pretty much locking down all the talent.
Speaker 2:So these talents no longer can go to a an AEW or a New Japan or something like that. And you guys have to remember that WWE already have done this previously with NXT UK when they came in there, and they worked with all those independents and didn't do anything with them. You know what I mean? And then pretty much they just devastated the UK market to the point where there's only maybe a handful of wrestling companies out there is actually popping right now. WWE is gonna do what they want and get what they want.
Speaker 2:So, I mean, it sounds like a good idea. Maybe I'm wrong about this. I don't think I am. But remember, Vince raided all the territories. It was, like, go to New York.
Speaker 2:So what did Vince do? Vince Scott Hogan. Vince Scott Ventura. Vince Scott Mean Gene. He got Bobby to bring in all these different cast from all different territories, junkyard dog, cats, all Jim Duggan.
Speaker 2:I mean, he raided everybody, and there's only 2 places to go at the point. You can go to Vince or go to Crockett. That was it. Because AWA was on a good factor. So that's what I think.
Speaker 2:It's just it's just a minor and take over. It's just history repeating the stuff is all it
Speaker 1:Interesting. Interesting thoughts. Rob, what you got?
Speaker 4:I got a lot of thoughts, man. So just just cut me off, if you need to, man. Just get the giant cane, and pull pull me off, man. Very interesting. So I got this email yesterday.
Speaker 4:I got the press release 17 minutes, like, you know, after it was released. So I posted it. Everyone's sharing it. I see a lot of positive reaction from the indie talent. I see some more insight from maybe some of the journalists.
Speaker 4:Some people have done their research. So I'm very good, especially in this world, man, where things are, like, one way or the other, man. I I I could take off whatever hat and just kinda look at it from both sides, man. I think, man, I'm being very careful what I'm saying here. Through the grapevine and and things of that nature, I think I have heard that the, I think I have heard, that, the NIL program, some of them tryouts, as of late may have not been the best.
Speaker 4:I think I think that particular program may have rubbed some of the indie wrestlers the wrong way. Not that the I don't know if that meant a lot to WWE or not. I certainly can't speak for them, but I think, you know, why not have the the actual wrestlers who are training that that know wrestling, that love wrestling, that grew up watching the Hardee's and Lita and Undertaker, and they want this. This is their dream. They watch it with their grandma, whatever it was, and they're training at these schools, and they're traveling week every single weekend.
Speaker 4:And we're seeing people and and no disrespect because it's worked out for a lot of people, but people who don't know wrestling or people who are amazing athletes in other ventures, and and sometimes it works out great. Other times, apparently not. And I didn't see a lot of mention of the NIL after this. And I in the back of my mind, I could just see someone going like, hey. We need to change something.
Speaker 4:We need to do something. How about this? We have our talent or some of our guys associated with WWE here, here, here, and here. Let's get the map. Here's our map.
Speaker 4:Right? What do we got? Iowa. We got, what, LA. We got, reality rest.
Speaker 4:We got Texas. Nightmare in Atlanta, and it's not Jersey. It's actually New Hampshire. Uh-huh.
Speaker 2:Up there. No.
Speaker 4:No worries, man. But think about it. It's just like it's all the corners, man. Like, it's just it's right there. So to what Dee was saying, I I could definitely see a a big strategy in that as well.
Speaker 4:From the indie town that I've spoken to, like, a lot of them are reaching out to these schools already. You know? They're reaching out like, hey. I can be under WID. Like, it's almost like I called it NXT College.
Speaker 4:You know?
Speaker 1:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Do I
Speaker 4:know if that's true? No. I've reached out for more information, anyone I can interview. I don't I don't know if it would be, like, a Gabe Sapolsky. I don't I don't know.
Speaker 4:Or a scout. I don't really know. I think it's very limited in information. There's definitely a business plan here for for no question. You know?
Speaker 4:And it is great for WWE. I think it's a in terms of just the business hat, it's gonna do a lot for WWE. And, hopefully, people who wanna be in WWE. There there are certain wrestlers that may not wanna go to AEW. WWE's been their dream.
Speaker 4:And, you know, people have been going, you know, week in, week out, just grinding on the road, grinding on the indies. I feel like from their perspective, because I'm close a lot of these any people in the northeast, there's a lot of excitement, which is awesome and cool. But with everything, I I need to see it firsthand. You know? I I can't be quick to judge.
Speaker 4:I can look at it from both sides. Hopefully, it's a really positive thing. I think the fact that WWE is on paper embracing the independence is really, really cool. Triple h put out a a tweet about, you know, these are these are we have some great people on the independence. Now we're embracing it.
Speaker 4:Now we have the WWE ID program. So I can look at it from both ways, man. I'm very interested. I am very, very interested. I'll put it that way.
Speaker 1:Good stuff, man. Good stuff. We'll come back to that. Jeff, what you got?
Speaker 3:I'm gonna agree with both of these guys. I mean, until we really see it in black and white in front of our faces, what it actually means, it's really no way to tell. At first thought, it looks looks great. I'm super happy for the indie guys that are gonna get to participate in this program. But is it a hostile takeover without it looking like a hostile takeover, like Frank said?
Speaker 3:So we'll see. It definitely needs to pan out, and they definitely I'm looking forward to reading more about it when it when WWE decides to release more information on it.
Speaker 1:No. Real real talk. Real talk. So I wanna go I wanna go with something that Rob said. And it's something that struck me because before this was announced, there there were people that were on this podcast that I know from working with them on this podcast.
Speaker 1:I've gotten to follow them. And they had just did reality of wrestling did a, showcase, a Texas showcase this past weekend, where a lot of different, they call them dojos, came and showcased their their biggest, brightest talent. After that, it was it was announced that reality of wrestling was a WWE ID school. Right? The excitement that I've seen from these guys is something that you you spoke on, Rob, and it's something that really took me too.
Speaker 1:Like, these guys, it it it really put a charge on them to where they're they're ready to work, and they're really ready to get their, you know, get their comeuppance. You know what I mean? And just being at a place like reality of wrestling kinda it it kinda hit them in a place to where, like, I just did this show, and it could lead me to a WWE opportunity. So on one front, you're seeing a lot of these guys, like, up their game immediately. A lot of these people start putting out more posts.
Speaker 1:They're they're more busy on social media. They're trying to be seen. They're putting out their resume a lot faster now. I'm seeing a lot more of that right off the bat. Just I stuff I hadn't seen from a lot of people, I'm now starting to see.
Speaker 1:So on one front, I'm like, it's doing good because a lot of these guys are getting their names. They they are now taking this way more seriously than they ever have. Right? Because now WWE is is they have their eyes on the independence, and they know this. On the other hand, I go back to what Frank d said.
Speaker 1:We've seen this movie before to where WWE, NXT, UK, they they did this in the UK, and the aftereffects were very, very damaging to the independent scene in the UK. There there aren't a lot of those guys left. RevPro is is is the biggest one that that's still around, but there were a lot of independent companies that that went under as a result of WWE doing this. So there is cause to worry. And I I I am on the on the side of let's wait and see what what this does, but be cautious about it as well.
Speaker 1:Because in initially, I think it is doing it is doing some good. Whether you get those people who wanna go to w WWE and have the WWE ID, whether you get them in that system or not, just the fact that everybody's working towards something, it may cause eyes from elsewhere to get put on them that they may they may not have thought about before this was announced. So
Speaker 2:And I think the
Speaker 1:in a good and a bad to it.
Speaker 2:I mean, I think the the positive thing of it is that, you know, from what I saw in the in the press release talking about how they're gonna get the mentorship, and they're gonna get, you know, financially compensated. And because a lot of guys that go through the Indies, they, you know, they don't get paid anything. They sleep in their car, have to share hotel rooms. It's just it's to grind. It's always been to grind.
Speaker 2:So that part of it, I do like. That part of it is that they're gonna have this monetary support. They don't have to struggle. It's almost as if you're going to, as Rob said, college. It's it's pretty much what it is because you're you're you're doing this college, you know, probably you get this scholarship, right, to work, and then NXT is where you're gonna go.
Speaker 2:That's that's that's the next step is now NXT. It used to be well, you know, if your NXT is the main roster, but now it's the independence, and the next stop is NXT. I like that aspect of it. I like the fact that they're gonna try to take care of the guys and gals out there that want to be in the business. But then on the on the downside, it's a cash 22.
Speaker 2:Right? Okay. So you get in this next or this, this this ID program. You're you're a part of this, so you can no longer, let's say, take independent bookings. You they can pull you because now they control you now.
Speaker 2:See, that's the problem. When you're an independent company that is a part of a $1,000,000,000 company, you're no longer independent. You're now part of the machine. And once the machine designed with you, they're gonna push it to the side. So
Speaker 1:That that's how it works.
Speaker 2:That's the that's the catch point too. Because, like, let's just say, for instance, that this doesn't work for me. Right? Now what if I decide, oh, okay. I wanna go to AEW.
Speaker 2:Well, you can't go to AEW. Well, why not? Because you're a part of this. You know, you sign a contract. So do I is there a no compete clause in this contract?
Speaker 2:Like, how am I supposed to make any kind of money if if this has worked out for me? So these are kind of things that I wanna know about, like, as far as program, like because you know how w b is. Yeah. You know? You know, independent contractors.
Speaker 1:Yeah. That's an interesting question that that really needs an answer to it. So agreed. Agreed. Alright, gentlemen.
Speaker 1:Let's let's dive into the meat and potatoes. We got, WWE crown jewel, the annual event taking place in Saudi this weekend. Stipulations have been added. We're gonna get a champion versus champion match first time ever at Crown Jewel, and the winner gets to lead the Crown Jewel champion. We got championships up on the line.
Speaker 1:We have storylines that that are picking up, heating up. So let's dive into it. We'll go in the 1st match on the card. Looks like we're gonna have a four way, Bianca Belair, Jade Cargill, Chelsea Green, and Piper Niven, versus Metaphor, Last Legend, and Jakar Jackson who made their main roster debut, and damage control kicking us off. I'm gonna throw this one to you, Jeff.
Speaker 1:What you got on your prediction first and foremost? Why do
Speaker 3:you have to start with me for this is this is one of those where I don't really know. I don't but I'm gonna go for the the ultimate upset here. I'm gonna go with the metaphors, last legend, and Jakara Jackson with the upset.
Speaker 1:I could see that. Any particular reason why?
Speaker 3:The push they've been getting, they've been getting a lot of attention on the main roster here lately. They've been on the main roster lately. I don't see them really pushing them up to that level without some type of plan behind it.
Speaker 1:I like it. I I like it. I have an idea on that one. Dee, let's go with you next. What you got?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna go with Piper Niven and Chelsea Green to to to take it. I like that. I think Jade and Bianca, like, they're cool as a tag team, and I know why they have them together. You know, she can learn from Bianca. That's that's why she's they have them together.
Speaker 2:But, man, they they need some new blood with this tag division. So, I'm looking for a title change here, but we all know that this is nothing more than a glorified house show is what it is. Just happens to be in Saudi, and it's called crown jewel. It's pretty much what they're doing here. So, I'm I'm gonna go with them too to, you know because there there's a lot more leverage.
Speaker 2:I mean, I know they got the the other ones in there, and there's, you know, they're coming up whatever, but that'll be instant heat. So I'm gonna go with them.
Speaker 1:Okay. I like that. I I am not mad at that pick. Rob, on you, my friend.
Speaker 4:I I'll be honest, man. This is tough for me. I really have no read on the pulse of this whole thing. With Bianca and Jade, I thought I really, really did ever since being in Tampa at the Royal Rumble. Them having that face off, going move for move, flexing on each other, man.
Speaker 4:I was like, oh, I wanna see this, man. And I've been waiting impatiently to see them just face each other, and they lost the titles already. And then they won them back, and I'm just like, I got nothing. It feels like some sort of hard reset, and I don't know where they're going. I I I, you know, I hope it's not the one turns on the other or whatever.
Speaker 4:A lot of people are kinda hinting at Bianca. You know, she's just been doing, first of all, amazing. Arguably, one of the best women. I think she was number 1 in the PWI 2 or 3 3 years ago, deservedly so unquestionably. But maybe it's time for a change with Bianca just in terms of heal her face, and I hate saying that because she's just so good.
Speaker 4:I could see Piper and Chelsea getting it. Shameless promo if I may check out our interview over with Chelsea on BCP Plus. She was amazing and a lot of fun, and, honestly, one of
Speaker 3:the nicest wrestlers I've ever met. I'll I'll put it that way. She I've never seen her give a bad interview.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. She she wasn't being a Karen. So and I kid I kid when I say that. She was she was being very nice. But that being said, I could see Herb Piper getting it.
Speaker 4:The NXT talent, I I I need a little bit more first before they become champions, but I Jeffree said, they've been pushing them pretty hard, so I could see that happening. I have no read on this. I'm gonna go with the safe pick, which is usually my dating profile, and I'm gonna go, Jade and Bianca.
Speaker 1:Okay. Jade and Bianca. I am gonna Go ahead.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna cut you off. Yeah. Yeah. I'm I'm gonna say this real quick when it goes back to Bianca and Jade right quick. I think one of the reasons why, you know, they they've kinda kinda reset a little bit with those 2.
Speaker 2:Jade is incredibly over as a baby face, so you you kinda don't wanna mess that up.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Bianca is sometimes you you gotta do a refresh. And we've we've seen this I mean, they did it with Becky Lynch where Becky Lynch was that baby face, baby face, and then she started doing the man gimmick, but they really the man gimmick didn't really get over until Nia Jax busted her
Speaker 3:nose.
Speaker 2:That's when she got over really big time where it's okay. She's tough. You know what I mean? So with Bianca, Bianca is no different than, like, what I see with with Naomi. Why is Naomi not a heel?
Speaker 2:Why is Naomi why why was Naomi not a part of the original bloodline? You know, you that could have done the the, like, the glow stick is, like, it's tired, bro. Like It's old. We need to see something. You know, put a fresh coat of paint on on this and, like, change change the story a little bit.
Speaker 2:You know what I'm saying? Like, it's like with the street profits, for instance. I'm I'm going out the road, but I'm I'm going somewhere with this. So it's like when the street profits were with Bobby Lashley. Okay?
Speaker 2:And we thought we're gonna get
Speaker 3:the hurt business part 2. Right? And then they just completely dropped it. And now the street profits, you know, nowhere baby faces. Sign to turn somebody, like, do something different, and and, I mean, they they
Speaker 2:had something there when they're coming out with suits on or whatever. They pretty much were to hurt Sydney pretty much before it hurt Sydney. Yep. So that's what I'm saying with with with Bianca and and and Jade, I'm like, I I think they're they're holding off on this to WrestleMania. I I really do believe that.
Speaker 2:I think that's where you're gonna see the first match between these 2. You're gonna drag it out a little bit more, but, eventually, somebody's gonna turn on somebody. Or you could do a straight up babyface versus babyface, but that don't really work. Jade was a pretty good heel at AW. She was a good heel to the point where she got over, and they were cheering her.
Speaker 2:And when she go out there and say, you know, I'm that bitch. Right? Okay.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:We've seen that act before. It's kinda ran its course a little bit. It's and I think it's more money with Jade, honestly, as a baby face because people love her. She's really good with the case. She's you know?
Speaker 2:Bianca, on the other hand, Bianca can use that to change. Bianca could be that person that turns Montez Ford on Angela. You can see a real power couple here if they do it correctly. You know? But, hey, I digress.
Speaker 1:If they do it correctly is the statement here, and I don't think they will. Because if if if it goes how I think it's gonna go, my pick is that Jakara and Lash are gonna win this match. They're gonna be tag team champions. This will eventually lead to Jaden and Bianca versus those 2 to get their belts back. And in that match, I think Jade's gonna turn on Bianca, and then she'll have her baddies again in WWE.
Speaker 2:The 2 baddies could be the 2 NXT girls. Yep. I can see that.
Speaker 1:I think I I think that I think that it looks like that's where they're going. I'm not Or that is where they're going. I it looks
Speaker 2:like Or or what if they what if they serve you? And it's Bianca with the baddies.
Speaker 3:I'd take that. Mad. I'd take that.
Speaker 2:I'd take that. Bianca is is, like, not what she it's kinda like what I said about Cody Rhodes. It's not what he used portraying stuff to be. Bianca. Not not what she you know, she's she's not that role model like you think she is.
Speaker 2:Like, look what look. Okay. Look at Bayley. You know when she
Speaker 3:was a hugger and all that? You know, she's doing all that.
Speaker 2:And then she finally it it flipped, and she had a a career renaissance, the second birth or whatever. Yep. That's what can happen with her with with Bianca. I I I don't know. I'm just listen.
Speaker 2:I'm I'm the heel here. I just wanna see, you know, I wanna see some I I wanna see him turn heel. That's what we need we all need a good heel turn nowadays. You know what I mean? Yeah.
Speaker 2:And we haven't had with the We haven't had one in a while. Yeah. We haven't had that with the women. Like, the the the one only one we've had recently was, who was it? I mean
Speaker 3:Ross and Perez.
Speaker 2:He Bron Breaker was a was already a heel anyways. But as far as, like, we as far as the I mean yeah. But that's like, you know, no one cares, bro. It's we're talking about the main roster. So we need something on the main roster.
Speaker 3:Had one. And we all been begging for a Bianca Hill turn.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Absolutely. Just like we're begging for a Bailey one. When they and they and then they finally pulled the trigger.
Speaker 3:It was Yeah. The best thing ever.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. You know, and they tease something, like I said before. When they were doing that little thing they were doing and and and, Bailey beat Naomi.
Speaker 2:And they had a little backstage segment. I could swear I thought Naomi was gonna turn on her. Like, that was leading something, and it did leave. Now she's back out there shucking and jiving and going.
Speaker 4:Naomi had that smile when she's walking like that. That, like, annoyed smile. It
Speaker 2:was perfect. And why and why haven't they put Naya and Naomi? They are family. They are the bloodline, technically.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I've been wanting that for a minute. Give me a female version of the bloodline. Yep.
Speaker 2:And wouldn't that be the ultimate betrayal of of Naomi turning on Jimmy? Like, Solo when he really get back at at at Jimmy, so he you know? Yeah. I don't know, man. My my friend of mine is always going.
Speaker 1:That's cold. I like it.
Speaker 2:That's cold and dirty. You imagine the heat that we get? Yes.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I'll do Christmas this year.
Speaker 1:Work our way there. Let's work our way there. We so next match we got is LA Knight versus Andrade versus Carmelo Hayes. This is kind of a throwaway for me, but, Rob, what you got for this one?
Speaker 4:Yeah. It's interesting how we got here, them having those series of matches. I think Styles was in the fold at one point. I'm watching that go down with Styles, and I'm like, oh, like, that looks legit. And sure enough, he's been off TV, so get well.
Speaker 4:I'm assuming it's a legit, injury. So get well, AJ Styles, 1st and foremost. Man, that was what a bummer to see that. But
Speaker 1:That's too bad.
Speaker 4:Man. I don't I don't think LA night is dropping the tie. Man, I hate going on podcast going, oh, it's too soon and blah blah blah. But it's too soon. You know, like, he just won the championship, not too long ago, and I think he just needs to establish himself as a a dominant singles competitor, which he has, but even more so should be a really, really good match.
Speaker 4:Sometimes, multi mans get a little little tricky. They're gonna do some crazy stuff. They're gonna hit their spots. They're gonna lay it on the line. But at the end of the day, I think, we're gonna get LA Knight winning this and going on to the next challenger for the US championship.
Speaker 1:Nice. Frank d, what you got?
Speaker 2:I I have to agree with with Robert. I think it's gonna be a late night retaining. There's there's no point for Elliott to drop it right now, especially because like I said, man, crown jewel is
Speaker 1:it's not
Speaker 2:really that important of an event. I mean, it's a it's a it's a house show. It's it it it's a it's a house show. So if you wanna have a a a title change, it'll probably happen at survivor series. You know?
Speaker 2:This is because I mean, this is just pretty much their their Saudi obligation. That's all it is. The the real show is gonna be survivor series. This it is what it is. And that's you know?
Speaker 2:So I I'm gonna go with LA Knight retaining until he finds a more suitable person to take him off. I I would love personally, they're now on the same roster, but I would have loved to see the LA Knight and carbito for you personally for the US Idol. I think that should work.
Speaker 1:Interesting. You know what, man? I am I'm gonna pick LA Knight on this one, but I am not I have not been his reign so far. I I the I think he's gotten lost under under the shuffle over at SmackDown, especially with what they're doing with the bloodline. The bloodline has been prevalent.
Speaker 1:If you compare his reign to what they did with with, Logan Paul's reign, like, it's it's night and day. And I don't get it what what is going on with LA Knight. It's like he's he's built himself up. He he should be in a higher position, but, okay, you got the bloodline storyline. I get it's not gonna trump that, but it just hasn't clicked for me his title reign on the US side so far.
Speaker 1:It just hasn't. I I I I don't dislike it, but I don't love it. I don't love how he's been used as the US champion. Particularly, if you have Andrade and car and Carmelo Hayes in the best of 7 series to face you for the title, and he's on the back burner this entire time. He hasn't had a match.
Speaker 1:And it's like, okay. If you want me if you want me to be invested in this guy is gonna face LA Knight because that series was it was a solid series. Yes. You you put a lot into Carmelo Hayes. You kinda built him up a little bit, but in the end, I'm getting a triple threat.
Speaker 1:So and I'm getting a triple threat against a guy who hasn't had a match in a while. And, you know, he hasn't really cut any promos or anything. He's just kind of there. And, like, why? Why are we doing why, like, why are we doing this?
Speaker 1:In my head, I'm like, why are we doing this, man?
Speaker 2:You know what? You know what's funny? I think that, honestly, the momentum is gone for LA night. LA night is no longer special anymore is what it is.
Speaker 1:I hate I hate
Speaker 2:thinking that, but that's what it is. Maybe That is exactly what it is. Like, you okay. So I think you guys would agree with this. What we're seeing right now is is once again, we're talking about earlier with the with the ID program.
Speaker 2:This is history repeating itself. The dominant storyline in all of WWE is the bloodline. No different than the dominant storyline in WCW was the NWO. So the NWO trumped everything else that was going on. It didn't matter if you were the US champion, the TV champion, the tag team champions.
Speaker 2:Did not matter. The main story was the NWO, Hogan, Sting, whatever they were doing. Whatever whatever they were doing. And all the lower card guys suffered from that. They weren't getting the reactions that the NWO were getting.
Speaker 2:LA Knight was super over at one point. Now he's not. You know? He had a match with Roman Reigns. That necessarily didn't do him any favors.
Speaker 2:You know? People say all the time back in the day, like, well, where you know, I know I'm going off here, but it didn't make sense in a second. People say all the time, like, well, what happened with what happened to Bray Wyatt? Right? You know what happened to Bray Wyatt?
Speaker 2:John Cena's what happened to Bray Wyatt. When he wrestled John Cena, it killed his momentum. He never recovered from John Cena. That's what happened to him. No different than Wade Barrett never recovered from John Cena.
Speaker 2:You guys remember Summer Slam 2010? The Nexus versus WWE? That was yeah. So that's what we're seeing here. And on top of that, I gotta say, when you're out there cosplaying as The Rock or song, and then The Real Rock shows up, yeah, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Your thunder kinda leaves.
Speaker 2:Yep. So and and remember, that's when LA night's thunder started you know, his momentum started sleeping away. That's when the rock came back because you got exposed, buddy.
Speaker 1:That is that is that is kinda true. But Mhmm. I compare so we were at Royal Rumble last year.
Speaker 2:Mhmm.
Speaker 1:And for the better part of the Royal Rumble, like, this guy's name just kept getting called throughout the Royal Rumble. Like Yeah. From that to where we are now is like is like, what happened? But and you you got a point there. It's like,
Speaker 2:But you know what else do?
Speaker 1:Once The Rock came back, it it did kinda fizzle out, and it didn't really recover.
Speaker 2:But but I also have something else on that too. Right? Like, people think things have have changed so much. LA Knight wasn't supposed to get over. LA Knight got over on his own.
Speaker 2:You never get over on your own against the wishes of the office. So when you do that, oh, they'll let you act like, you know, you're you're this and that. They're gonna pull the rug from you, man. And And that could be what happened there as well. Because let's be honest, the US championship doesn't mean nothing.
Speaker 2:It it means absolutely nothing. It's just it's just the the a placeholder. It it means nothing. And I think I I think that without suitable opponents, I'm I'm sorry, but Carmelo Hayes is not on the level yet. Andrade is not on the level either.
Speaker 2:I mean, Andrade, he you gotta build him back up to be in that level. To have a okay. We're having the best of 7 series to face. No one cares a crap about any of these guys. I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2:I'm not knocking them. It's just the way they're presented. No one cares. So if you if you're facing people that no one cares about, then it's irrelevant. Bronson Reed, they built this guy up.
Speaker 2:The guy is a monster. Did you guys see the segment on Monday night with him and Seth Rollins? Mhmm. The guy is a monster. This guy was doing nothing.
Speaker 2:And look at how they have booked him. The the second coming of Bam Bam Bigelow. The second coming of King Kong Bundy is what Bronson Reed is. That's what I think.
Speaker 1:You're right. Before we get there, Jeff, what you got?
Speaker 3:I'm glad you asked. I'm gonna go backstage politics and say Andrade takes this title.
Speaker 1:Oh, what? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.
Speaker 2:You didn't say backstage politics.
Speaker 1:I I can't see that one.
Speaker 2:Is that no. Wait. He just said
Speaker 3:titties. I said politics.
Speaker 2:Oh, I don't understand. Backstage politics. I thought you're talking about Charlotte Flair. We're good.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, she plays a role in this. I mean, but
Speaker 2:That's why I swear. I thought you said tits, bro. My bad.
Speaker 3:I like where you're going with this d, but I said politics, not tits. But Andrade is basically a flare, and Andrade will get the belt. I
Speaker 1:that's a hard scenario for me. I mean, if it happens, I won't be mad at it either.
Speaker 3:Saying, and why put this guy on TV? Because to be fair, he hasn't been that great since he came back, and he needs a voice, and he doesn't have a voice right now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's the problem. You know?
Speaker 1:Like it's almost like why why go through this best of 7? You know what I mean? And that that's
Speaker 2:probably time. TV time.
Speaker 3:What else? You
Speaker 2:gotta have them doing something. Yeah. And and people have been and and, you know, and the thing about it is, they have been trying for many, many years now to to repeat that best of 5 that Booker t and Chris Benoit had in WCW.
Speaker 3:No. You ain't never gonna get that.
Speaker 2:You're never gonna top that. Even Booker and Chris can do it again in WWE. You know what I mean? True. That that's what's going on.
Speaker 2:But I, you know, I don't know. Like like, you know, Jeff Stockmeyer with Andrade. I think the the the promos is a a major reason why he's not getting the push because he and that's like, come on. This is why we have managers. Get him a manager.
Speaker 2:There has to be somebody on the roster not doing anything you could put with him to be his mouthpiece out there to talk. Or even why not what's that?
Speaker 1:You can't right now because the backlash would be incredible. But the one person that that should be doing it ain't doing it.
Speaker 2:Well, who's the back why would what would be the backlash?
Speaker 1:It's Zelina Vega. But
Speaker 3:It's not gonna be Zelina.
Speaker 1:Yeah. It's not gonna be Zelina. It should be, but it won't be.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm not sure why
Speaker 3:She's wanting to focus on her, in ring. So
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's another one. You remember the house? Damn, man. You just bought something up here.
Speaker 2:I remember when Selena Vega, remember when they went to Puerto Rico and and Puerto Rico here? And they went down there, and she was over like crazy, and they didn't pull the trigger.
Speaker 3:She's over now with
Speaker 2:the junk club.
Speaker 3:And she's over.
Speaker 2:She's over. She but she's just another one.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Lost in the shuffle.
Speaker 3:Just just a just a
Speaker 2:body out there to fill up TV time.
Speaker 1:Yep. But let let's keep it moving, though. We we mentioned you mentioned Bronson Reed. Let's do this one. Rob, I'll kick this one to you first.
Speaker 1:Seth Rollins versus Bronson Reed.
Speaker 4:Yeah. This is a match where, like, I don't even know if we're gonna get through the entrances. I think it's gonna be a very hot start. From the looks of it, it looks like they might go I mean, I know it's not a false count anywhere. I don't think anything like that, but it looks like they might be traveling around outside the ring a little bit.
Speaker 4:They kind of addressed Seth Rollins, and then they've been talking a lot about this on over on busted open shameless promo. But, like, about him kind of unlocking that I don't wanna say evil, but, like, that Seth Rollins of old, the little more fired up Seth Rollins, the less, you know, the less fashionable, the less, giggly sing along song time with Seth kind of thing, the cackle, all that. Now I think we're going back into that. So is this the match to, solidify that? Is this the match to kinda bring Seth back to what he was, or is this kind of a nice, I wanna say, obstacle, a nice milestone for Bronson Reed's career who they've been pushing?
Speaker 4:I believe he he did lose the last monster standing match, right, to Straub, and, technically, he lost. Right? So, shout out to all a lot of our guys, up here in the northeast. All the all the security guards that that we're very familiar with. I wanna shout them out for sure.
Speaker 4:Doing a great job taking those high flying big men a lot. So shout out to everyone, on the independents who were part of that. I just think maybe and maybe I'm way off base on this. It's all for not if Bronson Reed doesn't win here. I don't wanna be like, Seth can take the l, but Seth can take the l.
Speaker 4:And I think, this is just a big payoff for all of that with Bronson, especially because he lost to Braun. Like I said, it doesn't hurt Seth. Hopefully, Seth will finally move on to Centimeters Punk, and we'll see what's next, for Boston Reed IC title shot. We'll see what happens. I wanna go with Bronson Reed.
Speaker 1:Alright. I like it. Jeff?
Speaker 3:There's no point in building Bronson Reed unless he's going over in this match. Seth can take the l like Rob said, And I I really wanna see Seth move to Centimeters Punk and, honestly, move up the card, get himself a singles title, and let that dude just be a fucking monster lady he is.
Speaker 1:Okay. I'm I'm gonna copy and paste here. I I think it's off or not if he loses this match. Yep. Re remembering that he got he got where he is by destroying Seth Rollins.
Speaker 1:That's that's how we're here. So if he can't beat Seth Rollins in the match, but he destroys him elsewhere, it kinda kills it for me. And I think it kinda kills his run-in the process. Right? So I need him to win this match.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna pick him to win this match. I think we do get that Seth that is gonna is gonna go back to the ways of old, but I think he needs to lose to see that he really needs to tap into it. Because, yeah, we're starting to get that part of him again. I think he needs this l to take it seriously. He can take the l and come out on the other end of it stronger.
Speaker 1:If we get a a banger of a match to where he loses and it makes him look at himself, I'm I'm satisfied with that outcome, honestly. And, yes, move on to Centimeters Punk because him coming out of this match, unlocking that Seth Rollins and walking right into a Centimeters Punk, take my money, man. Just go ahead go ahead and take my money. And you can build up Bronson Reed. He's he's got that big win under his belt.
Speaker 1:He marches right in. He doesn't even have to be Goonther on the first try. Just give me enough to where there's a guy that's breathing down Gunther's neck. Right? Someone that he has to take as serious as himself against someone else.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? So give me a threat to Gunther, who's gonna be in this match with Cody. I like what he's done with Cody. I like the promos that he's done with Cody. And if we get something to where him and a Bronson Reed are are up against each other, again, take my money.
Speaker 1:I'm willing I'm willing to see that. I'm willing to pay attention. I'm willing to be invested in it. Even if you don't go Gunther, him versus Drew is another is another option because you got Drew there who just came out of the Centimeters Punk thing. And if Bronson's looking to make his name, make make sure you know how tough he is.
Speaker 1:There's another guy who's been in the battle with another top guy and seeing punk. You could put them together. You can make magic there too. So there's options there's options for Bronson Reed coming out of this with a win more so than there are with him losing. Him losing, it kills his credibility, and I I don't wanna see that.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I
Speaker 2:I yeah. I totally agree with you here. There's just him the the story of him beating Seth Rollins would mean a whole lot more than him taking the l. And I do believe that we might be seeing the first of 2 matches between your 2. I actually if it was me, okay, I would actually book these 2 as survivor series in an ambulance match.
Speaker 2:I would do that, Because Seth has something to prove. Okay? I I think that he should I mean, it it it in a re in a way to to to do this I mean, you could beat Seth Rollins clean. Okay? You know?
Speaker 2:But I'm not sure if they wanna do that. Yeah. If you don't do it that way, the only way to to to do this match would be ref stoppage. That's not a way you could do it. Well, Brian Reed beat him, but didn't really beat him because the referee stopped the match.
Speaker 2:The and, basically, just just shows the the brutality of. Like, the guy just went crazy and destroyed Rollins. And then come back, basically, and say, okay. You know what? This can't continue between you and me.
Speaker 2:It they can either do you you could do an MUNS match. You could do an IQUENT match. You could do whatever. But the the main goal here is to put Ross and Reid over as a top contender. And what it's it was me.
Speaker 2:It was me. What I would do is if Ross and Reed beats Seth at Crown Jewel, immediately afterwards, I would have Ross and Reed go after Cody. That's what I would do. And and and just start something there. Come out there and just destroy Cody Rhodes.
Speaker 2:Because what he does is is you give Cody, even though they don't do 2 different shows, you give Cody a fresh opponent that he can rock with until the Royal Rumble. Seeing this out, the Royal Rumble was now in February. We got some time for him to do some other things. You know what I mean? But my gut tells me that with you know, we'll get there.
Speaker 2:But my gut tells me with Cody, they're gonna go Randy Orton somehow. I think we're that they're gonna start that. We'll get there, though. But Yeah. Bronson Reed to to Bronson Reed to be Seth Rollins.
Speaker 1:Okay. I like I like that. And I like the I like the setup for the segue. Thank you. Because the next
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:The next match on the card is Randy Orton versus Kevin Owens. And you you kinda hinted towards you think it's gonna be pushed in the direction of Cody? I I do think we're gonna go that route. And I think this match is gonna lead there.
Speaker 2:Yeah. And the and the thing about it too is, like, I I just so I saw a video someone posted. I don't know where it was at, though. I think it might have been Facebook. Someone posted a video of, back in the day, the legacy in the ring, and it was some kind of swerve they did with Dusty Rhodes.
Speaker 2:And Randy, you know, was in front of Dusty and, like, you know, hugged him or whatever. And then he r k ed him. And it was that it made me think about just how sadistic a character heel Randy Orton was in 2010 with the bald head.
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Just maniacal. Just that's the Randy Orton that I wanna see. But I don't think at this point in his career, Randy can do that anymore. Because once again, you get to the point where you just don't wanna boost somebody. It's just it's hard for that person to be a heel.
Speaker 2:Randy is just damn over. And that's just and and that's the problem when somebody is that over, it just shows, like, you haven't created any new heels because this guy is he's not over. You can't turn him. You can do a Kevin Owens. But then Kevin Owens, like, the way I'm looking at Kevin Owens, Kevin Owens is he's kinda he's kinda justified.
Speaker 2:Like, I don't trust Cody Rhodes. You know? He's, he's unhinged. So I don't know. Who you got?
Speaker 2:I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna it's gonna be a d huber. I I can't I can't see them. You it
Speaker 3:this match doesn't serve a purpose. You can't,
Speaker 2:no. You can't do this. Because if you if if somebody listen. Somebody's gotta lose. Right?
Speaker 2:But they're both world champions. So that's the problem. Now what's the what's the alternative? K. The alternative is this.
Speaker 2:The alternative is Goldberg. Goldberg interfering in.
Speaker 1:Are you talking about no. I'm talking about who who's winning out of Kevin Owens and and Randy Orr.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Kevin Owens with Cody.
Speaker 3:Oh, it's it's oh, wait. Wait. Kevin Owens versus Randy Orr? That's the match?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. I did not know that. My bad. Went up on.
Speaker 2:I did
Speaker 3:not know that. That's how I that's how
Speaker 2:I don't I don't keep up with the shit. Okay. So Kevin Owens Randy Org. I saw the segment on SmackDown Triple H. That was interesting.
Speaker 2:That was very interesting segment with, in the back, the screen. Mhmm. See if it'll come up with his music and all that. Like, who but but okay. Who told him to cue the music?
Speaker 2:Come on. Music starts okay. When the music starts, come come out their trips. That's hard one, dude. You just pushed you just turned Kevin on his heel, but somebody's gonna lose.
Speaker 1:Yep. Damn.
Speaker 2:What did triple say? He says you you're you basically better watch your back. Okay?
Speaker 1:At all times.
Speaker 2:Destroy. God. I don't want I don't wanna say I'm not a Kevin Owens fan, dude. I'm not. But I gotta say Kevin Owens.
Speaker 2:Kevin Owens has to destroy Randy Orton. He he's he has to. He he cannot lose. Like, if you're trying to push Kevin Owens to Cody, okay, most likely probably survivor series. Right?
Speaker 2:Most likely. He's gotta be Randy Orton.
Speaker 1:He has to.
Speaker 2:He has to.
Speaker 1:He has to.
Speaker 2:Can't he he can't lose as early on this in this new character he's on.
Speaker 1:Okay. I also will say Kevin Owens wins this match. And they planted a very interesting seed on SmackDown. When when Trips came out there and he told he told Randy Orton, he said, I've never seen this side
Speaker 2:of before.
Speaker 1:And he said, because he trusted you and Cody, and he feels like you both let him down. And he said, normally, he do he does this for money, and you can understand his motive. You can understand why he did some of the things he did because at the end of the day, it was all to feed his family. This is the first time that we've seen something personally affect him enough that he is pissed off legitimately, and he wants to hurt somebody because he feels like they let him down. And if you play the whole entirety of why Kevin Owens is mad, they've alluded to this on busted open too.
Speaker 1:Kevin Owens has been one of the biggest fighters against the bloodline. Since since their formation, one of their biggest antagonists has been Kevin Owens. So the fact that he feels like Cody Rhodes has let him down and Randy Orton has let him down. And remember, Kevin Owens is fighting the bloodline. Never stop.
Speaker 1:The one thing that may drive him over the edge is if Sami Zayn rejoins the bloodline. And then you have that old rivalry resparked. But the fact that he doesn't trust Cody and the fact that he turned on Cody, and he hasn't really given us a reason yet, there's something to pay attention to, especially as we get towards survivor series. Because this match that Cody's in is a cover, ladies and gentlemen. But the seed was planted to where a devastating tree is about to grow.
Speaker 1:So it's worth keeping your eyes on. But for this match, I do think Kevin Owens goes berserk, and I do think he he beats the crap out of Randy Orton. So, Jeff, what do you got?
Speaker 3:Y'all both have very interesting points, and I think Kevin Owens is going to beat the living shit out of Randy Orton. And I think coming out of that, we're gonna get a Randy Orton hill because he needs a hill turn. We we need that legend killer Randy that's punting dudes' heads. We need that dude. He's gonna get cheered.
Speaker 3:They're gonna sing a song. Not a big deal, but we need him to be a heel. Now my question is this. What did KOC Cody doing that drove him to jump him in the parking lot? Because he alluded that he had y'all he said y'all don't know Cody.
Speaker 3:Or he said something along those lines in that interview that he did in the, the hotel room that he was in. He had lose that he seen something. So what was it?
Speaker 1:We still don't know what they talked about in that parking lot.
Speaker 3:Exactly. So but, yeah, we're gonna it's gonna be a hell of a match. So those 2 are gonna beat the shit out of each other. But KO ultimately taste the taste the w on this one.
Speaker 2:Maybe he saw maybe he saw Cody talking to a certain wise man.
Speaker 3:Yeah. This I love the plot thickens. The plot thickens with this, and I love it.
Speaker 1:Hold on. Hold on. Who else was there that night?
Speaker 3:Roman was there, of course.
Speaker 2:The Rock. The Rock
Speaker 1:was there that night.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I'm just saying. He could've saw the interaction. Hey, man. Why are you talking to The Rock? Something as simple as that.
Speaker 3:We know there's camera footage out there, and I'm waiting for that camera footage to drop. And I got a feeling they're gonna let somebody like KO drop that footage himself on his social media before it goes viral on WWE social media. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 1:Or he can he can just politely walk out and tell them to roll the footage.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, I don't see him doing politely, but yes.
Speaker 2:Roll the footage that won't get played. Just like how they'll turn his mic off.
Speaker 1:Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2:So it looks like, you know, I'll let Rob get his point in it, but it looks like a conspiracy here.
Speaker 3:It does. It it does.
Speaker 1:Yep. It's no coincidence the the night The Rock was there. Kevin Owens just beats the crap out of Cody for no reason in the parking lot. Yep. Yeah.
Speaker 1:But I digress. Rob, what you got?
Speaker 4:No. Well, these got me thinking that. I like that word conspiracy for this because if you think about it shutting off the mic, censoring him, he's so frustrated, and he's just trying to talk to us. Like, that's actually really interesting point right there. Just I I didn't think of it from that point of view necessarily even though it's right in front of us.
Speaker 4:That's interesting because, like Jeffrey said, like, what is it that and and that's the fun of it, and they're being very delicate with this as they should, especially with Randy. If Randy is gonna fight Cody at some point, that needs to be special. That needs to be between the 2 of them. That needs the time and care. You know, we can't just have Randy turn heel, which is as we all know it's coming, but it's still gonna be devastating because he's having so much fun with the kids.
Speaker 4:He's signing autographs on air. He's cracking jokes. He's singing his song. Cody's music is playing. Cody's rocker ring.
Speaker 4:He's he's mouthing the words. He's rocking out to Cody's song. Like, he's he's living his best life. He's enjoying it. He's been taking a lot of l's though too.
Speaker 4:So this is a very hard one to pick. Again, I I need more, man, and and they're trying things. They are trying things with the with the fan footage and the hotel video and, you you know, I I see even stuff, you know, obviously, we see with the camera angles. I I I saw a few things, at stand and deliver. In Philly, they were trying some things, with the cameras and things like that.
Speaker 4:So it it's really like, hey. Let's see what sticks the wall here. This is very, very interesting, and I think we're gonna get some more outside the box, storytelling. And and I'm into it. I think I'm into it.
Speaker 4:So I need to know more. I need to know the motivation. I think, you guys said it. They're gonna be rooting for Randy the whole time. Randy is gonna break at some point.
Speaker 4:He showed a little bit of frustration as he should. You know, we're not used to seeing peacemaker Randy Orton. We're not used to seeing, like, rational Randy Orton. So this is very, very interesting. But, again, that when he is fighting Cody, that needs to be something special, and they they need to pay, not tribute, but pay attention to the history that they have.
Speaker 4:And I think KO needs to be out of that situation. I'm gonna agree with Kelvin in the fact that he says KO's gonna go berserk already. K KO's maybe a little bit of a loose cannon. He's but he's almost, like, fragile in the fact, like, hey. I can't talk.
Speaker 4:No one's listening to me. Like, listen to me. Listen to me. I have something to say. He could come say something.
Speaker 4:We could be like, you're right. I I heard Kevin Owens has been listening to BCP and no gimmicks, and he's been listening to the Kelvin. And he's hearing all this stuff about Cody, and now KO is getting all paranoid because all the stuff Kelvin's been saying. So who knows what's going on there? But I'll agree that KO's gonna go berserk.
Speaker 4:But for that reason, Randy Orton's wins by DQ because KO will get himself disqualified.
Speaker 1:Or they could totally be listening to me and be changing stuff because of what I'm saying. Probably. I I felt like the last couple of shows. They they've done stuff to spite me just because I was
Speaker 4:It was good stuff. It was good stuff.
Speaker 1:But, next match on the card, man. Jeff, what you went. Right? Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yes, sir.
Speaker 1:Next match on the card. Let's let's skip for a minute because I want this one to be the big one. But, Nia Jax versus Liv Morgan, champion versus champion for the crown jewel. Let's go to you, Jeff. What you got?
Speaker 3:It's tiffy time. Oh. I see a cash in, and I think it's on Nia Jatz After Nya shunned her over the last couple of weeks, Tiffany Tiffy's about to clock in on Nya Jatz after Liv Morgan beats her due to what's her name, Raquel Rodriguez or is that her name? Yeah. Sorry.
Speaker 3:She just came back, and I'm having a hard time remembering her name.
Speaker 1:That's not good.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, I think it's Braun Strowman's fiancee to be fair. Is she really? I think so. But I'm not a 100% positive on that.
Speaker 3:But, yeah, Liv Morgan will get the get the w in the big shiny ladies crown jewel belt. Tiffy time happens and yeah. Maybe Tiffy strikes a deal with Liv and Raquel.
Speaker 1:She has been on her off for a while.
Speaker 3:Yep. And Naya's been pushing that tiffy button, shunning her and putting her down. And
Speaker 1:I okay. Okay. Interesting. Interesting. Frank, what you got?
Speaker 2:I mean, if you if you do a cash in on Nia Jax, then that would make Tiffany Stratton a defacto baby face. So are they going to pull the trigger on her being a baby face and feed it with Nia Jax? That's gonna be the question. So there's just there there I mean, there's really nothing to dispute between Liv Morgan and and Naya. There's, you know, okay.
Speaker 2:We're just gonna put 2 champions together and, you know, heel versus heel. Once again, somebody has to lose. So and this the promise that you have I mean, yeah, you got Tiffany Stratton going with Naya Jackson right now, but Liv Morgan is actually in a a a feud right now with with Rhea Ripley. So
Speaker 1:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:I'm looking like which one's which one's more important. Not to say that Naya and, Tiffany are are not important, but Rhea in the the story with her and and and Liv Morgan is is top priority for the female division right now. So in saying that, I could see Liv Morgan defeating Nya and Jacks for with due to a screw up from Tiffany Stratton. That's what I think. I think somehow she's gonna accidentally cost Nia the championship.
Speaker 2:In that point, I think Nia's gonna snap on her. That's what I think will happen. So then you can turn Tiffany Shredding a baby face, or you can just have her get laid out and Tiffany cashing on her, and then you turn Tiffany a baby face and have her a few with Naya going into survivor service.
Speaker 1:I I like that idea. I'm gonna come back to that one. Rob, what you got?
Speaker 4:I'm gonna double down. Again, I'm stealing everyone's homework, but I'm gonna take everything you guys said because this is kinda hard. You know, there's not a lot there between Liv and Anaya. Like, in terms of interactions, it's been a tiny bit, but we know why they're fighting, what they're fighting for. I do think it's tiffy time.
Speaker 4:I hate to be like, oh, it's the cash in, but that's what I see from this match. How it goes down, I'll double down everything you guys said. I'll say judgment day interference. I'll say Raquel interference. There's gonna be a point where the ref's out or maybe Nia is outside the ring, and and, you know, Raquel just kinda gets in her face and you have that kinda, like, that standoff right there and just, like, you know, like, let's go.
Speaker 4:You know? Nothing happens, but then later in the match, it happens. So we got judgment day interference. We got Raquel interference, and I'm gonna say what what Dee said. Tiffany Stratton inadvertently, you know, interferes and and distracts or, doesn't help Naya.
Speaker 4:Because on paper, you think Naya would dominate. Let no disrespect to Liv Morgan, just in terms of on paper and things like that. And and we talk about it, Kelvin, all the time. Naya has doing just amazing work, amazing work as of late. But this is the story that can be told here.
Speaker 4:For all those reasons, I do see Naya losing. Naya could win too, though. Oh, man. I think Naya's losing. I don't know if she's gonna lose the the the Saudi title too.
Speaker 4:I don't know how that works with the cash in. I think you can only cash in for the one.
Speaker 1:Oh, man.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna go Naya to lose, and then Naya to lose her championship because I just checked the clock in this tiffy time.
Speaker 1:Strong. Guy. Strong. I am going to sorta copy and paste. I I do think it's tiffy time.
Speaker 1:I do think I think Naya wins this match. But in the course of in the course of that, Tiffy is trying to help her and screws up. She still wins, but something happens after the match to where Tiffy does actually cash in. So I could I could see that scenario. And to Dee's point to Frank Dee's point, there there could be there could be her becoming the the facto baby face because they have sorta had Naya kinda breathing down her neck a little bit.
Speaker 1:Like, don't cross me. Don't play with me. And that's been the theme for for a hot second. Like, listen. You wanna make me happy.
Speaker 1:You know you wanna make me happy because you know what I'm like when I'm angry. And Tiffy is just biding her time and waiting for the right time to make her move. Even though she knows the consequences, she's still willing to do that because the championship means that much to her. So I can't see a scenario where she does it, and then Naya is the one breathing down her neck as a result of it.
Speaker 2:And there and there and the I mean, Naya has just been intimidating her
Speaker 3:since,
Speaker 2:you know, jump street. And on top of that, just looking at the roster right now, especially on the SmackDown side, they don't really have a top female babyface at the moment because
Speaker 4:Bayley has been
Speaker 3:just turned Bayley.
Speaker 2:Well, Bayley's been a babyface.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, but it it's just it's been recent. So but she is the top baby face right now on SmackDown.
Speaker 1:Yeah. But You need more.
Speaker 2:You you need more. You just you know?
Speaker 4:So that's
Speaker 2:why I'm that's that's why I'm saying, like, a Tiffany Stratton with she can go that she can go that way. Like, you know, she's a hot chick and and, you know, she's over. So why not pull the trigger? It just it just makes more it I mean, it really I mean, because she can be that, you know, underdog baby face, but, you know, she happens she happens to be gorgeous at the same time. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:So you go that go that route. So I I you know? Yeah.
Speaker 4:Kelvin, may I jump in real quick?
Speaker 1:Go ahead, man.
Speaker 4:Just something I'm thinking, and forgive me if I'm being naive. I'm just thinking back. Has there ever been a women's title change in Saudi? Has there ever been a women's cash in in Saudi? Because I remember, you know, there were no women's matches, and there I think there the first ever with Natalya, and I I wanna say Lacey Evans.
Speaker 4:I'm trying to remember. Now we have, 8 women in the tag match, which is which is, you know, very, very game changing as well.
Speaker 1:Balanced card.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm just wondering if a women's title's ever I don't remember if women's titles ever changed over there, if there's ever been a cash in over there. Just just things I'm thinking about.
Speaker 3:I don't think there has.
Speaker 1:I I was thinking about that, and I was like, in my head, I was thinking, did EO Sky cash in at at Crown Jewel? But I don't think she did. I don't I know she cashed in at a weird event. I don't think it was Crown Jewel.
Speaker 4:I'm on it.
Speaker 1:I was thinking the same thing. I was like, I don't remember a cash in ever happening at Crown Jewel. So that was the same.
Speaker 3:At, SummerSlam.
Speaker 1:SummerSlam? Okay. But then, yeah, there there hasn't been. I don't think there's Yeah. SummerSlam.
Speaker 1:Definitely not been a title change.
Speaker 3:Nope.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, that that could be a historic play. All the more reason why it makes sense happening. So good good stuff, man. Good stuff. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:Let's let's throw this one in here now. Cody Rose versus Gunther. Champion versus champion. And I'll start this one off. I'll start this one off.
Speaker 1:Gunther, to me, is a very, very interesting person as far as far as championships go. We've seen them hold the intercontinental championship. That championship now has merit to it. We're seeing what he's doing with the world heavyweight championship, the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. It has merit.
Speaker 1:It it's meaning something. However, with this crown jewel, I think Gunther has a chance to cement himself as one of the, if not the top guy with a win over Cody Rhodes at this. That being said, Cody Rhodes, since he's returned to WWE, has a 97% win Win percentage. It's at 97%. The man rarely loses.
Speaker 1:It's gonna be incredibly hard to beat him at Crown Jewel. I do think he gets the job done. I wanted this match since Royal Rumble of last year. I do think it's gonna be an excellent match based off what I've seen then. I do think Cody gets it done, but I do absolutely think that Gunther walks out of this match with more under his belt than what he walked into it.
Speaker 1:He he's not gonna lose his championship. He's just gonna not get the crown jewel, which in a grand scheme of things, it's okay. But showcasing what you are and what you are against Cody Rhodes, who is the top guy right now in WWE, I think this is gonna put him on a whole new pedestal. It's gonna put him in a whole new league. And I am, I am I am ready to see this match, honestly.
Speaker 1:So with that, I'll kick it to you, Rob. What you got?
Speaker 4:Yeah. Very, very interesting. This is almost my lock of the night. I'm feeling pretty confident. I'm not gonna say it, though, that it's a lock of the night, but I think it just has to be Gunther for so many reasons to win this this championship.
Speaker 4:I think I mean, no question. It's due to some sort of interference, man. You have 2 of your top champions. You never even though we talk about it, they talk about it on busted open. You never wanna have that 1 a, 1 b.
Speaker 4:Like, you you never want to say it. You know what I mean? Who who's better? And I think Cody
Speaker 1:first of
Speaker 4:all, that that big old championship, like, that's just gonna go great with with what, Gunther's carrying already, that world heavyweight championship, hashtag wrestling fashion. But, also, I think just Cody has a lot on his plate. He has a lot going on. Stuff with KO, we already know about. Orton's kinda like the peacemaker or or quad in between, I should say, even.
Speaker 4:That's a factor. Kelvin, we always talk about Cody's ties to what's going on with the bloodline. There's a lot of moving parts here, whereas Gunther is handling business. Who got in his face? Damien Priest not too long ago got in his face.
Speaker 4:Like, hey. I'm not gonna start any trouble. I just wanna tell you when when it's time, I'm gonna take back what's mine or whatever. And Gunther's just kinda like, alright, and walks away. You know, like, the complete no sell, which I love.
Speaker 4:You know? And he's doing his thing. His promos have just gotten so good. You know, he was told to lose a ton of weight and get shape. Okay.
Speaker 4:Like, dark like, he's just it's just he's incredible, and he puts on great matches. Like, what is his finisher? All of the finishers. Like, he's so good, and I think this is actually gonna be a great match. I almost wish, like, this was for, like, a WWE regular title at some point.
Speaker 4:I I just you have one of the biggest bad guys right now and one of the biggest baby faces facing each other right now. Yes. Cody on paper is a baby face, Kelvin. But I think it's I think it's just gonna be a really good match, and I'm gonna be so disappointed. Like, I'm gonna be like, oh, this could be a match of the year.
Speaker 4:Oh, this is a really good match. Oh, I like what they're doing here. Oh, they're telling the story. And then there's gonna be a smash finish. I'm like, ah, I hate just when the matches are so good and it has a funny ending that always infuriates me, but we're telling a story here.
Speaker 4:I hate to admit it, but it's a perfect place for a smash finish. Gunther's gonna win here due to some sort of interference. We also have Ludwig Kizer. You know? But Gunther could seem to handle business by himself, but I think Guenther wins this one here.
Speaker 4:I'm gonna say I'm 90% on that.
Speaker 1:90%. That's that's high, bro. Jeff, what you got?
Speaker 3:The only way Cody loses this is through outside interference either from the Bloodline, Ludwig, KO, maybe even Randy Orton, but they're not gonna let their money making baby face not win this unless it's shenanigans. That's what I got.
Speaker 1:I agree with that. I agree with that. Frank d, what you got?
Speaker 2:So I'm going to pick the only obvious finish, and that's gonna be outside interference. You can't have Cody lose, and you can't have Gunther lose. Somebody has to lose. So I'm picking interference from both KO, but I'm also picking the unexpected interference from the bloodline. Now the reason why I am picking this is because I believe, as survivor series, the bloodline is gonna team with Kevin Owens to take on The Usos, Roman Reigns, and Sami Zayn.
Speaker 2:That's what I think we're gonna see. So
Speaker 3:That's a bold move.
Speaker 2:I think that's where they're going. But I also think we're gonna see Goldberg. God damn. What the I I I I think I think they're gonna give Goldberg because he wants to have one final match. Right?
Speaker 2:Okay. I think if if, you know, if he's there to just put Gunther over, I think it'll do good for Gunther. He can say I'd be Goldberg at survivor series. Because I think they're gonna try to be a survivor series.
Speaker 3:Be acceptable.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I I think and and and Gunther is a guy who can pull this off. He can he can make this happen with Goldberg. I mean, they already teased that bad blood. I mean, that people thought that Goldberg didn't have any juice left or something.
Speaker 2:You were you were proven incorrect at bad blood because
Speaker 3:there's something there.
Speaker 2:There's something there. So I'm going I'm I'm gonna go with that, man. I I see a bunch of of BS happening for this finish. That's what I see. Because I I just I I just I can't see going through losing.
Speaker 2:I can't see Cody losing. They got too many cast there to interfere. This is all leading towards the series anyways. I don't know why they booked this. It's like, you know, that whole saying back in, who booked this crap?
Speaker 3:Because they got a contract that was with this man to make, god, I think they made a $1,000,000,000 off this
Speaker 2:Oh, I know. I I know. I know. No. I know why they're doing it.
Speaker 2:I just don't understand why they would do it. Like, why would you you could you could you could have this show. No one's disputing that part, but why put both champions in there? Especially when, you know, has a reputation of, like, not getting beaten. You know?
Speaker 2:Cody is is is a strong champion, but not been too impressed honestly with his run, if I have to be honest about it. But it's this is just this is a placeholder event to tell the story. So I see Goldberg. I I I honestly see Goldberg, and I see Kevin Owens getting involved in this. I honestly do.
Speaker 2:And I see the bloodline interfering here because, yeah, you you you you put you put Cody on that team. Cody, Samu Zayn, Roman, versus the bloodline. You know? So but Kevin Owens at it, which is the that'd be a that'd be a different kind of a wrinkle here. What Kev if Kevin Owens aligns with the bloodline.
Speaker 2:That's an interesting story here because it's the exact reverse. And then you can do that Samu Zayn and KO for you, but now it's like opposing sides here. Because they'll because sorry to be why are you with the bloodline Kevin Owens? You've been fighting them the whole time. Why you would whoop.
Speaker 2:You can't beat him, Jordan. And you seem to be the one that trust Cody Rhodes. So yeah.
Speaker 1:10 out of 10, I don't like the idea of Goldberg showing up.
Speaker 2:Oh, I understand.
Speaker 3:Fuck. I hate it. Jesus.
Speaker 2:But it but but I don't I don't like it either, but here's the thing. They promised Goldberg a retirement match, and I think triple h wants to honor that. He he that's why he was at bad blood. I mean, Goldberg had done a bunch of interviews where he was knocking kinda knocking WWE for a little while. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Just last month. You're right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Actually, so now
Speaker 3:it's like this month.
Speaker 2:No. Bring him on here. I I think that I think the only person, honestly, that would be mad other than you and Jeff would probably be, Brett Hart. So
Speaker 3:I mean, he was on. So Brett Hart was on earlier this month, and Goldberg was on just after him. Right.
Speaker 2:So wouldn't that be so crazy if you should have if if Gompert got COVID, it was Brett Hart.
Speaker 1:Jeff, what you got, man?
Speaker 3:I already went, dude.
Speaker 1:Did you? Yeah. Come on.
Speaker 3:We're on the last match, bro.
Speaker 1:Yeah. I think we're good. Everyone. Let's let's do it then. It's the only the only match the only match that that really out of all of this because it it you're right.
Speaker 1:It it's they kinda threw this together, and they kinda made it a little more special with, alright. We'll bring our champions. Our champions will have a match, and, you know, we'll make some sort of stipulation to make this work. I like that they threw an actual story on here, honestly, because it it it does hit. So we got Roman Reigns and the United Usos versus the bloodline.
Speaker 1:And I'm gonna say something.
Speaker 2:Do it. I'll
Speaker 4:Did we lose you, Kelvin?
Speaker 3:Yeah. We lost you.
Speaker 1:Frank d, what you got?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's funny.
Speaker 4:It it it got choppy.
Speaker 1:Yeah. My bad.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I like the story they're telling with the Usos. Big pop, that was epic. Jimmy and Jay reuniting on SmackDown. Epic.
Speaker 2:Romeo watching in the background. Epic storytelling. Do not like the idea of this match. Do not like the idea of this match. I don't like it.
Speaker 2:I think it's I think it's too soon. I I I I don't like it. I I just no. Because you you know the bloodline, they've been taking some. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:And I think if if if you have The Usos in Roman beat them at crown jewel, why do I need to watch this again in the 1st survivor series? What what's the point of having war games? Well, you've already proven you could beat them. So what's the point of oh, okay. No.
Speaker 2:The only saving grace of this situation here this is just a prediction. Not saying it's gonna happen. I think that this would be the perfect time to debut. And you put in there at survivor series for the bloodline. You don't you'd even don't even have to go to KO route.
Speaker 2:You put in there. I think the KO thing goes I think the KO situation is intriguing because now I can't even trust Sami Zayn because you're siding with them. You're no different than Cody and Randy.
Speaker 3:So they could tell that story here. Kevin Owens
Speaker 2:is now a justified heel. You know? He's not real, but he's not really heel, though. He said it. I I didn't wanna do this.
Speaker 2:He he made me do it pretty much. Like you know?
Speaker 3:So it's kinda telling a story here.
Speaker 2:And all the stories going on WWE, it always leads back to the bloodline. That's why I'm putting Kevin Owens in this because I think we're gonna see some crap in this match. I think that I I just I don't know, dude. I like I said, I don't I don't like the idea of this because somebody once again has to lose this match. And if I if I had to pick a team here, I'm I'm picking I'm picking I'm picking OG bloodline to take it.
Speaker 2:They need the win. I mean, they're beginning their ass to send it to them every single week on SmackDown. So they need the win, but at the same time I mean, damn, dude. That's the problem with this. Because you you have to beat one of the teams here, and, I mean, the bloodline Solo's bloodline has been vicious up into the point when Roman came back.
Speaker 2:And then they've just been taking l after l, but, I mean, they beat him down, but I don't know. I'm I'm gonna go with OG bloodline after this, but I do expect to see some kind of interference to get it to get there. That's gonna lead us 2 war games.
Speaker 1:Fair enough. Fair enough. I I like I like the the direction here. Jeff, what you got?
Speaker 3:I think, Roman Reigns and The Usos have taken enough ass weapons from this new bloodline that they're due for a dub, especially with the newly reunited Usos.
Speaker 1:Okay. Okay. Interesting. Rob, what you got?
Speaker 4:I got a lot. So cut cut me off again if you need me to input.
Speaker 1:Go ahead, brother.
Speaker 4:I disclaimer. I and I've said this on the show. I I do not want to see KO, Cody, anyone like that in this war games match. I know I'm jumping ahead here in survivor series. I like this bloodline civil war.
Speaker 4:You know? The only person who's not like blood, blood, blood that deserves to be there, one of one of the MVPs of long term storytelling, one of the MVPs of this whole bloodline storyline, Sami Zayn, has every right every right to be in that match. And it's it's I I I enough said. I I could go on and on about that. MVP, he's amazing.
Speaker 4:He had that conversation with Solo. Just wanna point out, we're gonna tell this story slowly, but we also gotta get to survivor series, at the end of November, I believe it is. So I agree with Dee in the fact that's like, I don't know if I like this match. It's a little it feels a little too soon, but I get it because I think it's a little bit like, oh, we're almost done with October. Like, well, we got 20 something days till survivor series.
Speaker 4:We need to do something here. And I like the idea of someone debuting for the the new bloodline, if you will. Does now answer this. Does Kelvin, does war games have to be 5 on 5? Can it be 4 on 4?
Speaker 4:It has to be 5 on 5.
Speaker 1:Traditionally, it's 5 on 5.
Speaker 4:So, then we'll say it's 5 on 5. So someone debuts here, and then, again, I I want I don't want it to be Cody on the other side. I want it to be like, even if it's The Rock. You know? Like, it has to be someone that's in the bloodline.
Speaker 4:And that to me, again, disclaimer, that includes Sami Zayn. So we'll see how these numbers work out. We'll see who's there, but I don't want Cody involved. Even though it would make sense because there's a tie there, I don't want KO involved. I want this bloodline civil war just as as pure as we possibly can.
Speaker 4:So here, for that reason, I don't think that this team of the 3 newly reunited, Usos and Roman, which has been great. That hug moment was really, really well executed. The little backstages and the tension, it's like where you're, like, friends with someone, but, like, your friend's not friends with them. And it's, like, that really awkward encounter. They they nailed that perfectly, so I thought that was great.
Speaker 4:But they need to build this slowly, but you can't be too slow because war games is coming up. I'm sure they have it all thought out, but I don't see Roman and the new Usos winning this. This is technically a 4 on 3. I know it's a 3 on 3, a 6 man tag match, but this is technically a 4 on 3. The bloodline the new bloodline always has interference.
Speaker 4:Someone could debut. They're gonna lose here, and they're gonna be like, why did we lose? Like, it's us. It's the Usos. Main Event Jay Usos, Jimmy Usos, and the real OTC tribal chief.
Speaker 4:Why are we losing here? Because we're not complete. We're not complete. We're not in our final form. We don't have Sammy, which I've already touched on, and we don't have our wise men.
Speaker 4:And that's what we need. And therefore, I think the new bloodline is I'm calling them under Sola Sikoa win this match.
Speaker 1:Very, very interesting. Very interesting. Alright. To bring us home, I am going to say one of the 2 things are gonna happen or one of 3 things are gonna happen. One, Cody is going to establish himself on the OG bloodline to help them because they do need that member, and we get a returning hiculeo.
Speaker 1:Maybe something does happen in the Cody Gunther match. It it just depends on where this matches place. If it's the main event, then foul play as a foot. Something's gonna happen. Something big is gonna happen.
Speaker 1:If we if we get them in the main event, I do see a jiculeo debuting. I do see something happening in the Cody Goonter match to where Cody has to pick a side. And I do think he's gonna pick the OG bloodline, and that will lead us into survivor series. That'll set us up for survivor series. There's still a lot of unshakiness.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry. There's still a lot of shakiness in the in OG bloodline. Jay is not fully on board yet. So they have to work that kink out. Sami Zayn is not fully on board yet.
Speaker 1:I don't even think the wise man is gonna be on the OG bloodline side. If we're just gonna be real with it Wow. I don't think he's gonna choose them. I think he's gonna choose the new bloodline because that new bloodline, I don't think it's even added by Solo Secoa. We've seen The Rock acknowledge the tribal chief before, and the balance of power is ultimately who is gonna be acknowledging.
Speaker 1:We've seen them show up and not be too happy with Roman because he was with Cody. So I do think this kinda put him at odds with Roman Reigns, And he's been in the background negotiating with the new bloodline, or he's had the wise man negotiating with the new bloodline. There's a reason we haven't seen those two particular people. So I do think I do think the seas have been planted to where we'll get a 515, and it'll be Roman, The Usos, Sammy, and Cody on one side. And on the other side, you probably get the new bloodline in jiculeo.
Speaker 1:And the wise men in Iraq will choose their size at at survivor series.
Speaker 2:See, I don't Kevin Owens has to be in this match. From from a storyline perspective that they're telling, Kevin Owens has to be in the match, and he has to be on solo's bloodline team. That's not how it works. Because there's 2 he has history there with everybody on that other team. He has history with Roman.
Speaker 2:He has history with with with Cody, and he has history with Sami Zayn, if that's the route they go with. Because it's not that's because we just saw, you know, speculation right now. But if you bring a jiculeo in for survivorship, you gotta debut jiculeo at crown jewel. Otherwise, I mean, honestly, they should have debuted jiculeo at bad blood. But jiculeo jiculeo shoulda already been here by now.
Speaker 1:Yeah. You know? Right.
Speaker 2:To to to have, already established him. Really, honestly, you know, Rob Bob earlier about about war games. In the early days of war games, if I remember correctly, war games was, 505 with with with Dusty created the match, you know, the horsemen and and the road warriors. But WCW shortened to 4 man team, so it was 4 on 4. Because I remember remember 96, it was team team NWO.
Speaker 2:It was the NWO team with the fake Singh versus the w w team with Singh. Yep. Do you guys remember that? So you can go that route too, but I just think it makes more sense for it to be 5 on 5. 5.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:You can you can, you know, you
Speaker 2:can continue those stories. But you know, I think I said this last week too about I think the wise man is also gonna side with Solo. For the mere fact that what's the reason why? Okay. Well, you know what?
Speaker 2:Roman Reigns, you did not protect me, number 1. Number 2, you just disappeared at the WrestleMania. I I had to hold the fort down. I begged you to come back. You would not come back.
Speaker 2:And then when you did come back, you came back to help Cody Rhodes. So Yep. I could see them doing all the twists and turns here. I I I think, you know, I've seen some people every day say, though, that they think the bloodline's kinda jumped the shark. They, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I just think I I said this last we're gonna show, and I'm sticking to this. The bloodline is the NWO angle done correctly.
Speaker 1:Agreed.
Speaker 2:Because this is a re this is basically a re a a a rehash of the NWO civil war that happened in WCW between NWO Hollywood and NWO Wolfpack, and we never had definitive endings to that. We just have 2 factions come together to form the NWO elite, and that was done by March 99. So this story line here has been going since what? 2021? Summertime of 2021?
Speaker 2:So they're keeping it going, and there's just I mean, they're never gonna ride a Samoans. So Hell no. That was you know? So, I mean, shit. It's like it's like the it's like the Hart family.
Speaker 2:So Hell,
Speaker 1:yeah. Alright, guys. Let's let's bring this home. Shameless plugs. Rob, go ahead and tell the people where they could they could find you, brother.
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Speaker 1:Thanks for coming on, man. Always always a pleasure working with you, my guy. Jeff. Oh, hey. Jeff, what you got, brother?
Speaker 1:Tell the people where they could find you.
Speaker 3:I got episode 4 of my USDN short series that just dropped a couple of hours ago before the show covering new comic book day for the week of 30 October. On top of that, you can find me almost on every social media platform. I'm on USDN podcast. And so for TikTok, I don't get down with the tickety tock.
Speaker 1:Cool, man. Cool, man. Also, thank you for your time. Thank thank you for coming on. I hope you guys have fun.
Speaker 1:To the fabulous one, bring us home. What you got, brother?
Speaker 2:Well, pretty much nothing, man. Just, hope everybody out there has a very, safe and happy Halloween. If it's summery Halloween, I know there's people out there that don't do it, and then, I think you're fucking weird if you don't. But other than that, man, nothing just, you know, the whole usual stick, you know, help control the pet population. Heavy pest, fader, neutered.
Speaker 2:Small little story. So last week, right, someone posted in the, the the neighborhood ring app. They saw a Texas diamondback rattlesnake in the middle of the street. Sucker was just sitting there just, you know, chilling. So, yeah, help control the pet population.
Speaker 2:Have your pets made or neutered.
Speaker 1:It's a weird way to say protect the animals, bro.
Speaker 2:I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
Speaker 3:That's the Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love it.
Speaker 3:That's the most freaky thing ever, though.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Well, I'm, you know, listen. I'm I'm down with the sith. So
Speaker 1:Good stuff, man.
Speaker 2:So I gotta say, though. I gotta say, though, Rob, I'm I'm digging the red ranger coming in the back.
Speaker 4:Oh, it's my guy, Jason. The o the OG, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah. My guy was my guy was Tommy.
Speaker 4:Tod's. He's my number 2, man. My my buddy always gets mad because the red ranger comes with the shield sometimes, and he's like, no. No. No.
Speaker 4:Like, the green ranger has to have the shield. So
Speaker 2:I got this thing here. Can't really see it all, though.
Speaker 4:But Oh, awesome. The Funko. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Love that. I got the drag I got the dragon back over here too. So
Speaker 3:I'm jealous. Yeah.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. I'm jealous of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm jealous of it as well.
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