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The Chequered Flag Report Transcript
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[0:00] Chuck Hayes: Welcome to the checkered flag report. This is Chuck Hayes with David Gould, and we're here talking Formula One. David, great to be with you. We had a little bit of a break, but now we're on. And get the Google Maps ready. We're going to Belgium for the Belgian Grand Prix.
[0:16] David Gould: Yeah, I always find these breaks a little bit destabilizing for me personally, because I want to keep it, boom, one after the other after the other. But they got to get a break. They. It's probably a logistical thing, so. And, and let's face it, the guys, the drivers could probably use a break. So. Yeah.
[0:35] Chuck Hayes: Yeah. We want to thank our presenting sponsor, Chavez Realty Development, Apartments, business affairs, real estate assessment. That's 626-4401-5545. Chavez Realty Development, real estate assessment. 626-440-1545. Okay, so we're headed around 10, David, we're going to Belgium. No sprint race quality is going to be on Saturday, July 18th. Kind of give me your state of mind after Silverstone and all the pomp and circumstance to come to a place like Spa, which is one of the more fantastic circuits in the history of F1.
[1:11] David Gould: That's true. And so is Silverstone, by that way. The race that was a week ago. How do I put this? The race was phenomenal. Absolutely phenomenal. Except for the last two laps. But. But yeah, yeah, 100%.
[1:28] Chuck Hayes: I'm just wondering, you know, when you go to the beach and you get all that sand in your shoes and in your hair. Well, Max Verstappen on lap 48, was in the beach at a stow gravel trap. And no, he wasn't hitting a, a pitching wedge out of there or sand wedge.
[1:45] David Gould: You know, Chuck, maybe he should try the, the rally races. The. With no trail down there in Mexico or going across the Sahara Desert down to Baja. Yeah, 3,000. Yeah.
[1:58] Chuck Hayes: By the way, that's where Sonny Hayes went after he won his race in Formula one. He went down to Baja. Remember that? We got to tie it all all the way around. But it is won the movie.
[2:09] David Gould: But he doesn't have a serious back injury or neck injury that could leave him paralyzed. Could there. Could there be.
[2:14] Chuck Hayes: I. I don't think they asked for paperwork when he went to Baja. Got that car. Chuck Hayes with David Gould. A reminder. Follow us at lvchecker. Flag at lvchecker Flag on X. And what do you say, David?
[2:26] David Gould: I say follow you. You know what? Give us a lot of likes. Give us a lot of love and retweet. Please retweet. We'd like. We'd love seeing that.
[2:34] Chuck Hayes: We set the tone. And right now it's the youngster Kimmy Antonelli with 179 points. George Russell, his teammate, has 154. Sir Lewis Hamilton, on his way back from Coeur d'. Alene. I I Idaho, not Iowa. Coeur d', Alene, Idaho, with 147 staying out of the simulator as much as
[2:52] David Gould: what's he doing in Coeur d'? Alene?
[2:53] Chuck Hayes: You know, I understand that the river is beautiful up there and, you know, he's exploring America. Maybe he's involved in a real estate deal. And Charles Leclaire, the most recent winner in Formula One with a 108 points. Now let's go through constructors, David, to set the tone. Mercedes with the lead, 333. Ferrari with 255. McLaren, 179. Question mark. What will McLaren's paint scheme look like in Spa this weekend? I hope it goes back to the papaya. I looked at it. Beautiful tribute to Bruce McLaren. It was nice. But, you know, don't change what works for you. When you won world championship, Ferrari is
[3:32] David Gould: not going to change their color ever.
[3:34] Chuck Hayes: Nor move to England, nor. You saw that. Note what I said about the constructors. Everyone's located, right? I go, there's 11 out of 12 who's missing?
[3:42] David Gould: Oh, yeah, Ferrari, right.
[3:45] Chuck Hayes: I guess maybe because the food could have been an issue. You know, why they didn't move the corporate headquarters?
[3:52] David Gould: I don't think they've moved the corporate headquarters or they're going to anytime soon. But let's face it, Enzo wouldn't have it any other way.
[3:59] Chuck Hayes: It's interesting. And that's one of the great parts about Formula one, is that all these little nuances explode. You know, nascar, you know, that's always been something in the south and around the Charlotte area, that's a whole industry, no matter what level. But in Formula one, it is no joke. And you know, when, again, go back to F1, the movie, go back and watch it, they use the actual facilities and also the sims so that people could see what was going on.
[4:27] David Gould: And that was one of the great things about the movie, is you could actually see because people, when you say simulator, they think you're going to. To a, you know, a place where pinball machines and stuff like that. Now these things are highly sophisticated machines. I think it's almost like the driver's on a gimbal of some sort in a enclosed room with nothing but screen and then they have an operator on a computer setting up the standards and the scenarios and the hazards or what have you for the driver to experience in there. So there it's, I'd love to get a, you know, get a shot in one of those simulators.
[5:04] Chuck Hayes: Now David, think about what work from a technical standpoint it is to map circuit despise 4.35 miles a lot easier than it was when it was over 16 miles. So we'll look forward to that. You got Red Bull, Max Verstappen and of course his teammate Isaac Hajjar with 128, Alpine with 60, Racing Bulls up and Adam with 59. And then it drops down seventh to Haas at 21, Williams 11. And David, there's drum beats out there regarding our great friend Carlos Signs. Yeah that maybe he's looking to get out of there and we don't know that. It's a silly season all year long when you're in eighth place with 11 points, Audi with nine, Aston Martin with one. Again, congratulations, Fernando Alonso, he being the only point winner for Aston Martin by getting third in Monaco. I guess if I'm going to finish on the podium, Monaco would be the place that we have. And then unfortunately our, our brethren from Cadillac Z 0.0, even though they had a beautiful car, beautiful red, white and blue livery in Britain, it's just not happening. So let's start with Cadillac because we're coming in a spa. We have Valtteri Botas and Sergio Perez, two veterans who have been bad fast at Spa in their careers and they know what's going on. Tell me what is in their mindset now? Is it just a test weekend? Is that the way they look at it?
[6:38] David Gould: Well, I think the best that they could hope for is finishing mid pack, hopefully in the top 10 to get some sort of scoring going. But you know, it's not, I don't think it's all that surprising that Cadillac isn't, isn't, isn't in contention given that they're a brand new team this year. And I think the lesson here is that it's, it's money can only go so far. They've poured a fortune into this team and you just can't only buy your way into it.
[7:11] Chuck Hayes: I guess from a psychological standpoint, if I'm signs or botas, I look at my personal best from qualifying at Spa over the years and they know, they know what it feels like, of course. And then also in regards to their competition, I guess you would measure that with what the field is like right now and what machinery they have underneath them to be able to compete. And then if I did better than my personal best, kind of like a swimmer or a pole vaulter. Yeah, you go out there and you just go. I'm just going to focus on me. Which I guess is all anyone could do and stay in the now and have that opportunity. When you're competing for 44 laps on a track that's 4.35 miles long and you never know possibility weatherwise, what could happen at spa, there's been horror stories for years about that. At a point in time when Formula one drivers said, no, that's okay. I'm not going to race a Spa this weekend.
[8:13] David Gould: Yeah, that was the famous one with. What was his name?
[8:17] Chuck Hayes: Well, you had Nikki Loud.
[8:19] David Gould: Nikki Loud is what I think that whole group, right?
[8:21] Chuck Hayes: Mario Andretti was part of that back. 77, 78.
[8:24] David Gould: Nikki. Nikki rallied the rest of the drivers and got them really say, no, we're not going to do this. This is. This is outright stupid.
[8:32] Chuck Hayes: And that's coming from guys that love to live on the edge.
[8:35] David Gould: Oh, of all the people who lived on the edge, he's lucky to be alive. Nikki Loud is. But, yeah, I. I don't know what's going through their minds exactly. No one really does. But the best they could hope for, I would think, would be to show that they actually can perform, which would probably put them in mid pack. Finishing in mid pack, hopefully in the top 10.
[8:58] Chuck Hayes: Chuck Hayes with David Gould. We want to thank our presenting sponsor, Chavez Realty Development, and also coach Harvey Hyde, Football Promotions of Nevada, for powering the fastest hour in radio. Well, David, I'm really excited because in segment two, after we. Box, box, box. And get four fresh Pirellis, we're going inside Dave's Brain. Your hit list of the week, where you've got some things that maybe are bothering you a little bit and that you want to bring out for some attention, because, you know, it's not just about cars going fast, it's how they go fast. And you being the technical person that you are, you have a high level of expectation for everything that you do based upon your career, your background, and what you look like, and then transferring to what is the world of F1, I know is very important. So stay with us. Follow us on XVchecker Flag. LVchecker Flag, we're going to box, box, box. We come back, we're going to go inside Dave's Brain to talk about Formula one cars and the issues of the day. Thank you for joining us. Welcome back. Segment two, Checkered Flag report. This is Chuck Hayes with David Gould. We're talking Formula One. Why? Because we're going to get after it this weekend. Of course, they're in Belgium for the Belgian grand prix Circuit de Spa. 44 laps, 191.4 miles on a track that's been running in different formats since 1954.35 miles. And David, I just want to a note here and we want to thank our presenting sponsor, Chavez. Realty Development Apartments Business Affairs Real Estate Assessment 6264-4154-5626-4401 545 that we had talked about Nikki Lauda, what a great driver, what a great competitor.
[10:41] David Gould: And I, I, he was. I certainly want to make note that I should have said Niki Lauda and I did not mean to speak about him in such a disrespectful perhaps manner. I wasn't trying to be disrespectful. However, he is, he is one of the greats that ever, ever lived. And the story is true about him protesting to F1 and getting rallying the other drivers. However, he has, he has moved on pass passed on to the, the racetrack in the sky and all hats are off to him.
[11:16] Chuck Hayes: And one thing about Nikki was that he survived that horrific accident which basically really changed and disfigured him, but he survived and lived on and ran an airline. And remember he was the scion of German banking interests and he went out and did it on his own. And yep, in the movie Rush, there's the great scene, which I love, where he's at a Formula one party at a villa and he doesn't want to be there anymore. And the woman who went to the party, she didn't want to be there either. And he hitched a ride with her down to the train station and he basically, while she was driving, he tore her car apart from top to bottom on how bad it was set up. And then moments later, the car breaks down, she's out hitchhiking, the two Italian guys are in a car, they come screaming by. Then they stop when they see her, but they were actually looking at Nikki and then they let him drive the car.
[12:14] David Gould: That's such a great story.
[12:15] Chuck Hayes: And she's like, I don't believe it. I don't. He doesn't look like an F1 driver, right? Why are you driving so slow? And he has very pragmatic answer on why he's doing that. And they're just rooting him on for the back. And, and. And she said, well, why don't you drive faster? And he's like, why? And she says, because I asked you to. And he just slams it in the gear and gives her the ride of her life. And ultimately, that was the Nikki loudest story. But Dave, let's go inside Dave's brain. Now that, yeah. That Nikki has been memor and treated
[12:46] David Gould: and in respect to. To Nikki, you got to wonder how he would think about these topics that I'm about to bring up. I would suspect he'd be none too pleased. Anyway.
[12:56] Chuck Hayes: Okay, David, take it from the top and where you want to start with, because this is a reflection of the entire season since Australia.
[13:03] David Gould: Right.
[13:04] Chuck Hayes: What we just saw in Silverstone and now what we're going to see in Spa.
[13:08] David Gould: Well, the overarching issue to me is the cars and the fact that this year, F1 changed the cars from, I think it was probably 10 or 15% electric and 85% fuel to 50, 50. And that was a huge jump. And with that huge jump came all kinds of complexities. And of course, the pros are that in the right circumstances, you can kick that electric power into. Into gear and just blow by your opponent. I mean, it is just unreal. The problem, the con, of course, is that you've expended the energy and now you have to worry about harvesting it, which is the part I really do not like. I do not like the idea that these guys have to, you know, watch it around the curves. Break. Not break, check. But just basically manufacturing breaking where they may or may not need it in order to. To harvest power for that, for the batteries. And, you know, there's a lot. And then of course, there's the complexity of the car. The complexity of the car is that, you know, they're in the harvesting, they're in ac and they have to convert that to dc and that goes into the gearbox. Okay, so you're still using. This is my understanding that you're still using a gearbox. Well, when you put that kind of torque on a gearbox, you gotta. Now, the whole gearbox has to be redesigned in order to handle address. That's. That's a big, big problem. What do you think, Chuck?
[14:38] Chuck Hayes: I think so. And your point on energy control kicking in too early or too late?
[14:43] David Gould: Yes.
[14:44] Chuck Hayes: The example is Max Versappen.
[14:46] David Gould: Yep.
[14:46] Chuck Hayes: And when you have the best driver in the world.
[14:49] David Gould: Yep.
[14:49] Chuck Hayes: Saying it's undrivable. Very, very telling. I mean, again, it's one thing to, you know, do it from 30, 000ft above, but when you listen to Max and we, we have not listened unfiltered.
[15:02] David Gould: Right.
[15:03] Chuck Hayes: Which is something that I would imagine on the next Netflix series next year
[15:08] David Gould: they will not hear him unload.
[15:10] Chuck Hayes: Talk about this would be something I think would be very educational. And the question I would ask, and this has always been the way, no matter what the sanctioning body is, is that they normally listen to the manufacturers before they listen to the drivers.
[15:26] David Gould: Yes.
[15:27] Chuck Hayes: And there's been a history in motorsports of that being the issue.
[15:31] David Gould: Right.
[15:31] Chuck Hayes: Whether it was safety, schedule, they just expect the drivers to show up and race. That's kind of their deal.
[15:37] David Gould: Yes.
[15:37] Chuck Hayes: From your standpoint, when you have Verstappen being that vocal and then you have a guy like Fernando Alonso who's seen everything and is involved business wise, representing a lot of these people.
[15:52] David Gould: Yes.
[15:52] Chuck Hayes: But then on the other side of the coin, the leader of the entire operation right now is a 19 year old kid, Kimmy Antonelli. And he's faced those issues, but he doesn't seem to be as troubled.
[16:04] David Gould: Well, he doesn't seem to be as troubled and that's, I must say that this is rather unclear and my opinions can. Are binary. It's yes or no, I don't like it, I like it, that kind of thing. But these things are much more gray and unclear. But I will say something. If you look at Kimmy's driving and you look at Max's driving, these are both aggressive. They are attack mode drivers. That's the way they work. They don't, they're not. Their strategy is go, go, go, attack, attack, attack. And that you'll see, you'll notice that in the last race Kimmy was going out of bounds and he's had a problem with this I think all season long with exceeding the bounds. And that's because perhaps, perhaps because the electricity does not allow him to, to maintain control of the car within bounds and, and, and keep. And keep control of it.
[17:02] Chuck Hayes: It's interesting when you talk about racing that way because you always hear about drivers who are on the edge. Mario Andretti said it, if you're not on the edge, you're not racing.
[17:11] David Gould: Right.
[17:12] Chuck Hayes: And Richard Petty saying, I know a lot of people who can drive fast, but I know a lot of people who can drive fast racing.
[17:19] David Gould: Yeah.
[17:20] Chuck Hayes: Where is that fine line of saying, well, you know what, you can't just go as fast as you want. You can't push it all the way like you normally have in the past because the car doesn't respond that way.
[17:33] David Gould: Yeah.
[17:34] Chuck Hayes: Isn't it Equal for everybody across the grid on all 11 teams that they're all facing the same issues.
[17:40] David Gould: Well, actually, drivability. Actually not. And that goes to my point of the sophistication of the cars. These cars are no longer just gas oriented with mechanical gears. They have software in them. And software is a very difficult thing to manage. And if it's not working or it's glitching or something's wrong, then that translates to the mechanical part of the car. And this is. Again, this is the part I don't particularly care for because it's taking. It's. It's diminishing the excitement of racing. Any. At any time, one of these things could just, you know, the battery could crap out. All kinds of other things could happen. And then. And then, you know, next thing you know, George Russell is pulled over. Kimmy's. Kimmy's exceeding the bounds because he's trying to push the car, and when it's broken and it's. It's. It's flopping all over the road anyway.
[18:35] Chuck Hayes: So from your standpoint, do you believe that taking the entertainment out of the sport with these overbearing rulings has an effect? The last time we checked was 490,000 people.
[18:47] David Gould: Yes.
[18:48] Chuck Hayes: Silverstone. Is there anything to that? Or is this something what maybe we're analyzing because we're looking at it because we care. We've been doing this for four seasons now, right? And we're seeing something. Is this worse than when Max was dominating and everyone else was second?
[19:08] David Gould: I think it is. I do think it is, and I'll tell you why. Because Max was dominating on a different. With a different car. And everyone's gonna say, well, there's no excuses. You can't make excuses for. For him not being competitive. And how come Kimmy can do it and Max can't? Well, those are valid questions. However, I am looking at this as more than just a fan. I'm not just going to a football game and wearing colors, wearing the team colors and cheering my. My favorite driver on. I am there looking at this thing, and I want it to be competitive, and I want to see excitement, and I want to see these guys, you know, I think in the indie. The last indie. Indie race, we saw them three across, which is pretty rare for those cars at those speeds. They're going. You're pushing 250 miles an hour, and they're, you know, at points, and they're three. Three abreast. That's. That's amazing.
[20:01] Chuck Hayes: I think my favorite moment of the Silverstone race was watching Lewis Hamilton race George Russell.
[20:06] David Gould: Yeah.
[20:07] Chuck Hayes: In the pit road.
[20:08] David Gould: Yeah.
[20:08] Chuck Hayes: And just the way it was happening was really entertaining.
[20:12] David Gould: Yeah.
[20:13] Chuck Hayes: It was like, I'm not giving up an inch. I know you're going to the pits. I'm not cutting you any slack. I don't care what your harvesting situation is or your breaking.
[20:24] David Gould: Right.
[20:24] Chuck Hayes: And I thought that was probably a moment other than what we see from the start.
[20:29] David Gould: Right.
[20:29] Chuck Hayes: Which is wild. I mean, a Formula one start is as most much chaos of anything you could possibly see in any kind of competition.
[20:39] David Gould: Right. And how can, how can cars with theoretically the same specs, the same, the same general mechanical abilities, how can one car be sitting there and having this unbelievably slow off thing off the start and these guys zipping past them like crazy to the point where they're almost crashing into each other? How can that happen? Well, when you have software involved. Software. I don't want to hear about software. When I think about car racing, I mean, yes, I know, I'm, I'm not trying to go back to the old days where, you know, but I, I just, I just think, I think that they may have jumped. They have reached too far. And I don't know, was it F1 or was it, was it the, the manufacturers that wanted the 50, 50?
[21:26] Chuck Hayes: Just remember, Dave, when you talk about software, it'll always go back to Britain. And an automated messaging system. Mistaken broadcast at the safety car would return to pit lane on that same lap. And this comes from a sport back in the day that used sandwich boards with chalk, right, that said plus four, pit now, next lap, that kind of thing. Chuck Hayes with David Gould. Follow us at lvchecker Flag. Like us, as David says, we'll come back. Box, box, box. And retweet Pirelli's. We'll come back, we'll talk about spa. Chuck Hayes with David Gold. Welcome back. Checkered flag report. Chuck Hayes with David Gould. And we're talking Formula One. We want to thank our presenting sponsor, Chavez Realty Development Apartments Business affairs, Real Estate Assessment, 626-440-1545. Chavez Realty Development, 626-441-5545. Okay, David, our bags are packed. Everyone's got the car carriers going. We're headed to SPA in Belgium for the Belgian Grand Prix. Now let's look. People say in, you know, kind of cocktail party talk, well, how's your summer? How's your year been?
[22:33] David Gould: Yeah.
[22:33] Chuck Hayes: If your Formula One has started March 8th in Australia and then it was March 13th to 15th in Shanghai, China. Then they went to Japan. They had issues in Bahrain and Saudi Arabia, so they made their reappearance back May 3rd in Miami. Then they went to Montreal, Canada, the Memorial day weekend on May 24, then on their way to Monaco for June 7, then Spain, then Austria, Great Britain, and now here we are at Spa. So.
[23:04] David Gould: And can we pronounce this the circuit despa. Franco, Sean.
[23:09] Chuck Hayes: See, I love that about you. You are fearless in regards to that.
[23:12] David Gould: Yeah. I could be wrong too.
[23:13] Chuck Hayes: I'm gonna stay away from that. I'm just gon circuit de Spa because I can read that part of it.
[23:18] David Gould: Yeah.
[23:19] Chuck Hayes: Year 2026, David, think about it. 44 laps, 191 miles. There's been some discussion and I want to know what your thoughts are.
[23:28] David Gould: Yeah.
[23:28] Chuck Hayes: About refueling. That they may bring it back. What would be your thoughts to watch Formula one retool? Is the fuel better than the electric?
[23:38] David Gould: Well, the fuel definitely is better than the electric, as far as I'm concerned. And. And does the electric give you an advantage? Absolutely. But when you have to worry about harvesting, then you got a big problem. It really. It really. It slows the race down. It. It's a whole nother complexity of strategy.
[23:56] Chuck Hayes: Now, we've been on pit road at Vegas.
[23:58] David Gould: Yeah.
[23:58] Chuck Hayes: And we've seen how they operate to put fueling into that piece of the puzzle. It's. It's really dangerous. When you look at the.
[24:08] David Gould: Well, there was a reason they got rid of it.
[24:09] Chuck Hayes: And also the logistics of.
[24:11] David Gould: Yeah.
[24:11] Chuck Hayes: Having to transport. Now NASCAR does it where they have a gas station on site.
[24:17] David Gould: Right.
[24:18] Chuck Hayes: The crew members take the. The fuel cans.
[24:21] David Gould: Yeah.
[24:22] Chuck Hayes: And they go there and they say, fill it up, Charlie. How much do you want? And they've got their allocation for fuel. And they get a fuel bill along with a tire bill every race.
[24:31] David Gould: Sure. Of course.
[24:32] Chuck Hayes: So when you look at F1 and you see this worldwide travel now I have to look. Go back and look and see when the first time they eliminated refueling. And I know it's probably because of some tragedy, of course.
[24:43] David Gould: And. And refueling also changes the time in
[24:47] Chuck Hayes: the pits and how these guys dress. Two guys and gals.
[24:51] David Gould: Oh, it's. I. I think that they were doing just fine without the refueling. I think the biggest problem is that the. That they're. They're. And I'm willing to bet it's F1 that that really wanted the. The 50. 50 cars. I just think it's. It's. It's too difficult. It's too difficult to. Logistically to Bring that back. And now, now they're going to slow it down. See, that's the point. At first they got rid of it and it made the pit stops. You know, you're talking about two and a half second pit. Now it may still be two and a half second, but you got an extra one or two guys in there trying to get the fuel in there. It's extremely dangerous. I think it's a mistake.
[25:30] Chuck Hayes: This is Chuck Hayes with David Gould. We're talking Formula one. And let's give you a little history lesson. It was Juan Fangio in 1950 and his Alfa Romeo was the winner. Let's look at the history of F1 at spot in regards to excellence. Michael Schumacher has six wins that began in 1992, then 1995-1996-1997-2001, 2002, Ayerton Senna with five. And then we always talk about Lewis Hamilton and his decorator and what they have to do. He has in his SPA collection. David. 5, 20, 24, 20, 20, 2017, 20, 15 and 2010. Max Verstappen with 3. 20, 23, 20, 22, 20, 21. This track, 4.35 miles, it is just a beast. And to get around it and only go 44 laps, when in Silverstone there was. Let me check this Exactly. It was 52, 52, 52 in final laps. So that's eight laps short.
[26:38] David Gould: Right.
[26:38] Chuck Hayes: From an entertainment standpoint now and think about, look at those trees out there. I don't know if they're paying full ticket value. I don't know.
[26:46] David Gould: Well, I don't know. And you got to wonder, you know, these guys, guys are getting lapped regularly on these tracks. Lapped regularly. So I, I wonder how many of them are going to get lapped on this given the length of the track, you know, because if you're, you know, being two laps down on a, on a, on a track that's got 78 laps is, is one thing, but being two laps down on a 44 mile track or kilometer or 44 laps. Excuse me, 44 lap track is. That's a, that's a whole different animal. That's a problem.
[27:24] Chuck Hayes: You know, when we do this, the beauty of YouTube is that you can actually sit in a car visually, you know, watch a lap.
[27:35] David Gould: Yeah.
[27:36] Chuck Hayes: At that track.
[27:37] David Gould: Yeah.
[27:37] Chuck Hayes: And it is spectacular when you go up that hill on that corner.
[27:41] David Gould: Yeah.
[27:42] Chuck Hayes: And again I come back to F1, the movie. And I hope the folks at Brad Pitt's production company sent us a, a nickel for every time we mentioned it. Because one of the great scenes when he was out there running with his crew.
[27:55] David Gould: Yeah.
[27:56] Chuck Hayes: Not only in. At the Italian track Monza, but also in Vegas, but also at Spa, you know, and you see the. You see the excitement of that.
[28:06] David Gould: It's a metaphor too, for him running on the track, which none of these guys do. They're always in the gym or doing some sort of speed exercises. But it's. It's kind of a metaphor in the sense that, you know, sometimes the old ways are the best ways.
[28:20] Chuck Hayes: You think about that because how you enter, I think drivers are. When they look at things, they don't look at it like we look at it. They look at a corner and they know which way they're coming in and getting out of.
[28:32] David Gould: Yeah.
[28:33] Chuck Hayes: And then the next thing is how they set up for the next one and then how they come out of it and set up for the next one. And this is a constant ongoing thing that's hardwired into this. When, you know, you look at. At Lewis Hamilton. 16 years.
[28:49] David Gould: Yep.
[28:49] Chuck Hayes: Driving Spa.
[28:50] David Gould: Yeah.
[28:51] Chuck Hayes: And he must be able to tell every little nuance.
[28:55] David Gould: Sure.
[28:56] Chuck Hayes: In regards to the cr, the car, the track, how it feels.
[29:00] David Gould: But how can he tell it with these cars?
[29:03] Chuck Hayes: See, that's the sim time. Isn't that the way that's true to be right now, that if you do your homework.
[29:10] David Gould: Good point.
[29:11] Chuck Hayes: It's all there for you.
[29:12] David Gould: That's a very good point.
[29:13] Chuck Hayes: Just a matter how hard and. But maybe that doesn't work for him. Not. And I'm not diminishing that. And again, let everyone do what they want to do. You're the best at what you do. But I know that Verstappen is not out gallivanting across the good old US of A. On summer vacation before he goes to spa.
[29:37] David Gould: No. And he doesn't gallivant.
[29:39] Chuck Hayes: The odds are. Are there, that if you're not right with that car, that car's not going to be right with you.
[29:45] David Gould: And think about this. You're coming into a set of curves. Okay. And one thing we've seen, at least in my recollection, my history watching F1, is passing and re. Passing immediately. And to me, that must go with the deployment of the electricity, because when they're coming into a curve and a guy passes you, he more than likely is deploying something to. To get around there. And then very quickly, boom. He gets repassed by the guy he just passed.
[30:17] Chuck Hayes: Well, they have that boost button.
[30:19] David Gould: Right.
[30:19] Chuck Hayes: They talk about, but I don't always see that.
[30:21] David Gould: No.
[30:22] Chuck Hayes: Again, we come Back we. We go to the Netflix thing and we see their steering.
[30:27] David Gould: Right.
[30:28] Chuck Hayes: Their gear ratio and, you know, the shifting and then the buttons. But we. I want some more isolation. I think this sport's getting to that point of where, you know, we pay for a monthly subscription to watch on Apple tv, which is awesome.
[30:41] David Gould: Sure.
[30:41] Chuck Hayes: And you can see. But I'm going to try to dig down a little bit deeper. And I'm sure that there's a lot of great coverage and social media activity out there that kind of defines that, because it's hard to understand when you have, like, I know an IndyCar, they had push to pass.
[30:58] David Gould: Yes.
[30:58] Chuck Hayes: And you had so many minutes on it. And they would show you on the screen what your push to pass remainders were. In fact, one of the things I believe happened in IndyCar last year, that there were some software glitches. Drivers an advantage over other drivers.
[31:14] David Gould: Right.
[31:15] Chuck Hayes: Because it wasn't being monitored. Because, I mean, it's like, how come it doesn't go anymore?
[31:20] David Gould: Yeah. Right.
[31:21] Chuck Hayes: So I keep pressing the button. It's not working.
[31:23] David Gould: Right, right, right. And again, software glitches. So maybe we need to dial this. This reach for the highest edgiest tech back. And the other, the other point I wanted to make is, what's this doing to the psychology of the driver? Now the driver's in there, he knows his capability, but he has to have the tools. Now, when the tools fail you, which they do, you know, it happens in racing all the time. But when the tools fail you because of this, this, this electricity thing, or the high tech thing, or the software glitching or anything that isn't a mechanical component, it's gotta, it's gotta gut you. I mean, that's what I'm seeing in Max's face.
[32:05] Chuck Hayes: And you hear it from the crew chief, you hear it saying, hit your marks. Remember your marks. Stay on your marks.
[32:13] David Gould: Yeah.
[32:13] Chuck Hayes: That's a constant reminder to these guys that when stuff happens, it's going to happen. And you'll hear Charles screaming about his tire wear.
[32:21] David Gould: Right.
[32:21] Chuck Hayes: And they'll like, hey, we'll. We'll deal with that. Just focus on what you know. It's kind of interesting. It's like telling somebody, hey, calm down. Well, the principal goes, you can't tell me to calm down.
[32:31] David Gould: The principal gives him two or three words. Keep driving, Charles, or something like that,
[32:37] Chuck Hayes: you know, well, what can you do?
[32:38] David Gould: Well, there's.
[32:39] Chuck Hayes: Honestly, when you know that something's not right.
[32:42] David Gould: Yeah.
[32:42] Chuck Hayes: You want to guide them through there to get to that point.
[32:45] David Gould: Right.
[32:45] Chuck Hayes: And you want to come back after that and go, but you told me. And he goes, sorry, yeah.
[32:50] David Gould: Anyway, it's, it's just, I, it's a bit frustrating as a fan. It's got to be absolutely hell for a driver.
[32:58] Chuck Hayes: But we're still entertained and we've got great racing ahead. And we're at that point on the. Absolutely on the mark. And we come back from this next box. Box. Box. We're going to talk about schedule because why it's so interesting to be able to look at the world. And we're actually on the bottom of the first page. David. I know we're on the left hand column and then we're going to go to the right hand column when we get to Hungary. But I'm just excited to be able to do this with you.
[33:21] David Gould: And I don't say these things, I don't say these things to be just negative.
[33:27] Chuck Hayes: Cavalier.
[33:28] David Gould: Cavalier, right. Just, just, just to be dismissive of all the positives. There are a lot of positives and. But what I am is a frustrated fan. I am frustrated because I don't see driving based on the driver's skills alone. I'm seeing problems with these cars.
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[33:55] Chuck Hayes: Welcome back. Final segment, Checkered flag report. This is Chuck Hayes with David Gould. We're talking Formula One. We want to thank our presenting sponsor Chavez. Realty Development, Apartments Business affairs, real estate assessment. 6264-4154-5626-4401-5545. David. Okay, we're at that point round number 10.
[34:22] David Gould: Yep.
[34:22] Chuck Hayes: And we're going to Belgium for spa, the Belgian Grand Prix. But get your passport ready. Don't not have it ready to go.
[34:32] David Gould: I need a new book, man.
[34:33] Chuck Hayes: Well, stamps go. Yeah, I would love to see some of these guys have been doing it
[34:38] David Gould: for, for so many pages.
[34:39] Chuck Hayes: David. Budapest in Hungary on July 26th and then Zandvoort in the Netherlands. Okay. That's at August 23rd. So you basically have a full month off between Hungary and the Netherlands. Not asking you to report on anything that you don't think is possible. Could we see any driver changes from that period of time? Because if it was going to happen. And remember what happened when Sergio Perez had issues with Red Bull?
[35:11] David Gould: Yeah.
[35:11] Chuck Hayes: They hung him out.
[35:12] David Gould: Yep.
[35:13] Chuck Hayes: For that entire summer vacation. And he was not happy.
[35:16] David Gould: No. And Max is kind of in that position now himself. However, Isaac Hajar is doing quite well for a Young rookie. He's. He's what, fifth in the standing? Something like that. He's. He's up there, isn't he?
[35:32] Chuck Hayes: Well, he's having a good run and when you look at, at what he's done and the competition that Red Bull has getting out of there.
[35:39] David Gould: Yeah, he's eighth.
[35:40] Chuck Hayes: And then I guess with the Red Bull racing bulls. Yeah, the excitement behind those two young individuals, Lawson and Arvid Lindblad, who, you know, I would say if you were to put a star next to somebody's name who's on the rise, Arvid Lindblad is definitely that guy. So we have that month off and then we come back and we go to Monza in Italy.
[36:03] David Gould: Yeah.
[36:03] Chuck Hayes: So that's something that within 1, 2, 3 races before we get to Italy.
[36:09] David Gould: Yep.
[36:10] Chuck Hayes: Can you foresee Ferrari winning one of these three races in the next, the next three weeks? Belgium, Hungary, Netherlands. Do we see a Ferrari win?
[36:22] David Gould: Absolutely. I think one, if not more. And it would be unbelievable to see Kimmy, when Monza, an Italian in a, in a Mercedes. In a Mercedes and then. Or, or Hamilton in a Ferrari winning Monza. Either one of those would be phenomenal.
[36:43] Chuck Hayes: There you go. Now, so here's the other question.
[36:44] David Gould: Yeah.
[36:46] Chuck Hayes: During this, this time, this last two weeks, has our guy Lando Norris stood in the mirror of his house in Monaco?
[36:55] David Gould: I think the mirror might have been removed.
[36:57] Chuck Hayes: I am the world champion.
[36:59] David Gould: Yeah.
[36:59] Chuck Hayes: I am the world champion.
[37:00] David Gould: Well, he better, he better get his. He's. He. This is slipping away quickly.
[37:04] Chuck Hayes: What do you think in this three, is there some place for him to win?
[37:09] David Gould: It's possible.
[37:10] Chuck Hayes: Not podium. To win.
[37:11] David Gould: It's possible. Oh, to win. No.
[37:15] Chuck Hayes: After what happened last year, the way he dominated, the way McLaren just rode rough over everybody.
[37:21] David Gould: What's the difference between last year and this year?
[37:23] Chuck Hayes: You talked about in segment two and
[37:25] David Gould: segment one and segment, all the segments, the car.
[37:28] Chuck Hayes: And then of course, your guy, George Russell, who has been racing and doing much better.
[37:33] David Gould: Yes.
[37:34] Chuck Hayes: And this opportunity to push his young teammate.
[37:38] David Gould: Yes.
[37:39] Chuck Hayes: The next stretch of races. David, take me inside. We talk about mindset.
[37:44] David Gould: Yes.
[37:44] Chuck Hayes: How's Kimmy feeling? Still at the top.179, but his car broke. He's had some track limit issues. The fatigue of the season. This is season two for him.
[37:58] David Gould: Yes.
[37:58] Chuck Hayes: In Mercedes, the pressure of being the hunted and not the hunt. I just want to say I saw a great documentary on Chris Evert and Martino Navratilova in regards to their struggles. Both women going through some health issues. But you forget the pressure of Those women playing tennis at such a young age and the fact that Chris Everett was Antonelli esque.
[38:22] David Gould: Yes.
[38:23] Chuck Hayes: When she won it that young and handling the pressure of that was something that was very, very challenging.
[38:28] David Gould: Yeah, it's, it's, it's something that only a seasoned driver can relate to because you have to. As I've said before, forgive me, I say everything before but as I've said before, I don't want to see the guy lose, but I want to see him struggle a little bit and then recover from the struggling because that's what makes you a good driver. When, when you get knocked down and you get back up again, two, three, four times and you get back up again and get in there, you really, you get a little seasoned, you get a little calloused, you get you, you and you learn how to pace yourself not only physically but emotionally.
[39:08] Chuck Hayes: We got the battle of Mercedes. Kimmy 179, George 154. And then Lewis with 147 and Charles Leclair with 108. So there is that great Ferrari, that beautiful red and then of course that silver from Mercedes coming on. And David, we got 30 seconds to go before we sign off. I'll ask you always usually to give me a, a podium of choice. You're fantasy podium.
[39:34] David Gould: I'm not, I'm not very good at it.
[39:36] Chuck Hayes: I haven't, no, it's not a matter of that. It's a spa podium. We got 15 seconds, take us there.
[39:41] David Gould: Well, I think Lewis is going to continue on his, on his run. So I see him on the podium, I, I'm going to call a long shot and I think that Hajar could make a podium, could make his second podium and that's it. I'll just go for those two now. We're out of time.
[40:00] Chuck Hayes: We want to thank you Chuck Hayes. David, go follow us at Uly Checker flag. We'll be back next week, same time, same channel.