The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry

What happens when the cheering stops—but the brain injuries don't?

Former NHL All-Star Ales Hemsky spent 16 seasons at the highest level of professional hockey, represented the Czech Republic on the world stage, and competed in a Stanley Cup Final.

Behind that success was a different story.

Repeated concussions. Memory problems. Vertigo. Depression. Addiction. Thoughts of giving up.

In this deeply personal conversation, Ales shares what life looked like after hockey, the struggles few people saw, and the journey that helped him begin finding hope again.

Former NHL star Ales Hemsky joins Paul Frase and Corey Berry for one of the most honest conversations ever featured on the HeadRush Podcast.

After 16 NHL seasons with the Edmonton Oilers, Ottawa Senators, Dallas Stars, and Montreal Canadiens, plus representing the Czech Republic at the Olympics and World Championships, Ales achieved what many athletes only dream about.

But repeated head impacts came with a cost.

In this episode, Ales discusses:

• Growing up in the Czech Republic and reaching the NHL
• Playing in the Stanley Cup Final
• Living through multiple concussions and post-concussion symptoms
• Vertigo, memory loss, depression, addiction, and the difficult transition into retirement
• How brain trauma affected his family and daily life
• His experience searching for answers after traditional treatments fell short
• Why hope matters for athletes, veterans, first responders, and anyone living with brain injury

This conversation reminds us that brain trauma is often invisible—but no one has to face it alone.

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What is The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry?

The HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry takes you inside the reality of Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE) through the lens of football and rodeo. With firsthand experience in two of the most punishing sports, Paul and Corey share their stories, the lasting effects of head trauma, and the fight for awareness and support.

Narrator:

This is the HeadRush Podcast with Paul Frase and Corey Berry.

Corey Berry:

Welcome to the HeadRush Podcast. I'm Corey Berry, and I rode professional rodeo for nine years. And our cohost is Paul Frase. Played eleven years in the NFL and even in a Super Bowl.

Paul Frase:

Yes. Yes. I did. And we lost.

Corey Berry:

So I didn't say that.

Paul Frase:

Well, let's let's go on, please.

Corey Berry:

At the HeadRush Podcast, we talk about everything related to brain trauma and brain health and wellness. We talk about TES, the closest you can be diagnosed is CTE while alive. We focus on traumatic brain injuries sustained through repeated head impacts, repeated blast exposure for our men and women who serve in the armed forces. Thank you, by the way. Without you, we wouldn't be here.

Corey Berry:

We cover how brain injuries can and will cause brain health issues such as depression, addiction, lack of executive function, memory loss, even suicide ideation as well as degenerative neurological issues. Our mantra is how to cope and find hope. We focus our energy on finding therapies and sharing hope through education and awareness. And please like, share, and subscribe if you will. It'll help us reach our goal of helping people suffering with traumatic brain injury, concussions, and TBIs.

Paul Frase:

Paul? So our guest today is no stranger to concussive sports.

Corey Berry:

More con more concussive than yours,

Ales Hemsky:

I think.

Paul Frase:

Probably. I I I would agree. But he was he was a forward, so he probably was very elusive. Soccer player? Forward?

Paul Frase:

No. No. And in in fact, Al Alish Hemsky is our guest today. Alish, were you involved in any Stanley Cup playoffs with the Edmonton? Or

Ales Hemsky:

Yes. I I was in Stanley Cup final 2006. We lost in seven game.

Paul Frase:

In seven games?

Ales Hemsky:

Seven game. Yeah. It was heartbroken, but in the end, it was a great great run. And I I I'm really happy I had that pleasure to go all the way to Stanley Cup final and see how hard it is. And, you know, once you go there, you always think you'll go there every year.

Ales Hemsky:

Right. It doesn't work like that.

Paul Frase:

Yeah. That that's so I I played my first seven years with the New York Jets, and the New York Jets don't win a lot. And and we only went made it to the playoffs once in seven years, so that was tough. And we lost the very first game. But seven games, making it to a Stanley Cup and losing it in the seventh game.

Corey Berry:

Anyway Well, you know, that's I one in this room that hasn't had that experience to where I had you know, I'm not a world champion. I've never made the NFRs, but I could only imagine, you know, that's like going to the NFRs.

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Corey Berry:

That's like having the world in your hands. You're winning the average. You're winning everything going into the tenth round.

Ales Hemsky:

Right.

Corey Berry:

And then you buck off.

Paul Frase:

Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

And you just lost it all. Well, so you And you both have been there.

Paul Frase:

Well, this is interesting. This is so if you get there to the NFRs, you're in a category, you're one of the top 15

Corey Berry:

In the world.

Paul Frase:

In the world. And but you in in your in your history of rodeo, you probably made it into the top 25 or 30 in in the the bareback bronc or Oh, yeah. In the world. Yeah. So our guest has you beat because he was drafted thirteenth.

Corey Berry:

Well, he got you beat.

Paul Frase:

Oh, yeah. I was drafted

Corey Berry:

A hundred and sixty seven? A hundred

Paul Frase:

and forty nine. Yeah. I was just

Ales Hemsky:

not it's not about where you get drafted. It's about how long you play there and if you can stay there. So there's a lot of people that get drafted first round, and then they would play. So

Paul Frase:

That that's a great point because I was drafted in the sixth round, and I was fortunate enough to play eleven eleven

Ales Hemsky:

years. It sounds good. But

Paul Frase:

yeah. But you were drafted thirteenth in not just in the from the American side of things. You were drafted from the Czech Czech Republic.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. It goes worldwide. Worldwide. Worldwide. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

So think about it. You were a 100 and what?

Paul Frase:

Forty ninth or forty sixth.

Corey Berry:

Out of how many colleges?

Paul Frase:

Well, there's a there's, like, a 105. At that time, I think it was a 105 d one or something like that. I don't know. But there was about a 100,000 there was about a 100,000 players in college in America, and only that my first my year

Corey Berry:

How many get drafted?

Paul Frase:

336.

Corey Berry:

So 336 got drafted?

Paul Frase:

Yeah. And I was the one one forty nine.

Corey Berry:

Right. Out of that many colleges. Now think about it. 18 years old. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

And have the whole world.

Paul Frase:

Right. Just go

Corey Berry:

And you get thirteenth out of the whole world. And that's not

Paul Frase:

We are not worthy.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. But I I think it's even more impressive when you go a 141 and you still make it. You know what? Because if you go first round, if you go 13 overall, whatever you go, they give you more chances.

Paul Frase:

So

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Because they invest the

Paul Frase:

Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

They invest the money. They invest the money and then that pick, they can't look bad, so you'll get more chances to make it. So for me, sometimes more impressive, the guys, they're getting high rounds, and now they're playing for fifteen years and they are hall of fame or Right. You know? That that's impressive.

Paul Frase:

Yeah. Well, Tom Brady was a sixth round pick too. Right. Okay. So alright.

Paul Frase:

I our guess.

Corey Berry:

Lost to his ex wife. How much money in time?

Paul Frase:

Ala Hemsky, actually, who was born in on 08/13/1983 in The Czech Republic, and he was you started playing professionally there at 16 or 17 years old. You played a few games, and then you were actually drafted number 13. Yeah. I came yeah. I played there a few games and started practicing with the

Ales Hemsky:

men's, and then we choose I will move to to Canada, play junior hockey league. I I went to Quebec. So they have to draft you to to Quebec Junior Hockey League. It works a little different way. It's just through your through your agents.

Ales Hemsky:

And yeah. So I went play junior hockey league in in Quebec. Played one year, then I got drafted by Edmonton O'Leary.

Paul Frase:

And you were there how many years?

Ales Hemsky:

I was they sent me back the second year. And the next next year, I was turning I was 18. I was turning 19. I stayed with Edmonton and played from there for sixteen years.

Paul Frase:

So you got drafted, and then they basically sent you back for, like, a farm league?

Ales Hemsky:

Or or No. I didn't just send me it back to juniors.

Paul Frase:

To juniors?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Okay. Yeah.

Paul Frase:

And then you then they then you they pulled you back

Ales Hemsky:

to the I went for camp, and I signed a deal with them on the camp. And there's a I think there's a loop. You can play 10 games in NHL, but they can still send you back to junior so they can send you farm team. Right. But then the coach, Craig McTavish, came to me.

Ales Hemsky:

He's like, I'm not sending you anywhere. Yeah. I'm not sending you farm. You will be with us, and you will learn your way.

Paul Frase:

That's pretty cool.

Ales Hemsky:

So Yeah. It was he he helped me out so much. Yeah. That was that was great.

Paul Frase:

Well well, obviously, he saw something in you that he liked, and and you you performed. So so you've you've played a bunch of years from for Edmonton. You're actually you ended up playing in Ottawa for the senators, and then you played for the Dallas Stars. Did you play a couple years here?

Ales Hemsky:

Or Yeah. So I played twelve years in Edmonton, then I then I got traded to Ottawa on the deadline the last day. Funny story. I I nobody do you know it? Like, you're getting traded.

Ales Hemsky:

I I knew I would get traded. It was it was time for me to move on and for them to. And I was just watching TV, and I saw I'm going to Ottawa. Okay. So I packed my bag, and the same day, I

Corey Berry:

drove But you found out by watching TV.

Ales Hemsky:

Now it's even worse because first, you find it on your phone. Right. You know? So then Right.

Paul Frase:

He's been traded, or he has been

Ales Hemsky:

picked up off. And then they call and you know? What they do

Corey Berry:

to you when you got traded?

Paul Frase:

Oh my gosh. So I was with Because

Corey Berry:

now the Jets, you you lost that by the expansion draft. You got drafted.

Ales Hemsky:

But

Paul Frase:

The Jets left me unprotected, and the Jacksonville Jaguars were the new expansion, one of the new expansions, and they they picked me number six that year. So I had to leave the Jets to go and come down to Jacksonville. My third year of training camp in Jacksonville, I told coach Coughlin, Tom Coughlin, said, coach and and it was the three days before the final cuts. Then I said, coach, I've gotta go home because my son was here in Dallas with a muscle disorder, and he was in the hospital. He was fighting for his life.

Paul Frase:

And I said, coach, I gotta go home. And coach Coughlin says, okay. You make sure you're back on Tuesday and, make sure you're back on Tuesday ready to go. And I said, absolutely. And I I fly home that day, and I get off the plane to DFW.

Paul Frase:

I drive to Coppell about fifteen minutes right here, and I walk in the front door. And fifteen minutes later, the phone rang rings. And my and Allison answers the phone, and he said, coach Tom Coughlin. There's no reason for Tom Coughlin to even remotely call me anytime. That was the only kind of call I got from him, and Allison handed me the phone as coach Coughlin.

Paul Frase:

And coach says, he says, Paul, we just traded you to Green Bay, and and they want you up there tomorrow. And I said, you could have told me three, know, two days ago or what whatever it was. But but the silver lining was I got to go to the Super Bowl in my tenth year with the Green Bay Packers and lose. Thank you.

Ales Hemsky:

So my my I got traded. I seen it on TV, so they packed my bags, talked to the GMs, and Ottawa played in Calgary that day. So I straight to the limo or whatever, the the driver, went play the game went play the game, the new team, and three hours later

Paul Frase:

You didn't learn plays or didn't No.

Ales Hemsky:

I just I went play the game, and then drove back to Edmonton, packed my stuff, and meet them on the road the next day. That's amazing. Yeah. So nobody cares. It's just it goes really fast.

Paul Frase:

Your your last team, boo, because I'm a Boston Bruins fan.

Corey Berry:

Hold it. I was gonna say Dallas Stars, boo.

Paul Frase:

No. No. No. We talked about Dallas really quick, but his last team.

Corey Berry:

Well, we're in Dallas. He can go Dallas Stars really quick.

Paul Frase:

My buddy, Daryl Johnston, the moose from the Cowboys, he was he he used to go get right behind the goal tick tickets. And I remember seeing the Stars for a game or two, so that was a lot of fun. But you you played for a little bit for them.

Ales Hemsky:

For Stars? Yeah. Yes. So I played in Ottawa. That was just 20 games.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. And I become a free agent. They offered me a deal, but some some players I like there, they were leaving. They were kinda building a new team. So I went to the free game market, and Dallas called me right away, offered me a deal.

Ales Hemsky:

And, obviously, going from Canada from minus 40

Paul Frase:

To to

Ales Hemsky:

For twelve years. I didn't even know anything better. I coming from Czech Republic playing in, you know, in Quebec. It's cold too.

Paul Frase:

You had your fur fur coat

Ales Hemsky:

and then Yeah. And going to Dallas, that was that was that was nice. Yeah. Yeah. I played in Dallas for three years.

Ales Hemsky:

We had a great team. I had a blast. Obviously, I stayed here. My kids get born here, and we love it here. So I'm I'm really blessed.

Ales Hemsky:

I had opportunity to sign here for three years and play here. And then I then I become a free agent again, and that time I had a lot of injuries. I already had two shoulder surgeries, two hip surgeries in the span of eight years, and it's a major surgery. It's everything is six to eight months. So that was a mental mental grind, just coming back and proving people and many, many concussions.

Ales Hemsky:

I had a vertigo problem I couldn't get rid of. Like, I would get hit, and my head would be on the bench just spinning. I I don't know if you never had a vertigo problem. You don't know how how hard it is.

Corey Berry:

Still today.

Ales Hemsky:

It's Yeah. It's a bad feeling. And every time I got it, I was thinking I got another concussion, and it was kinda both both of them. And then I signed with Montreal my last year. I didn't really wanna do it anymore because I was so beat up.

Ales Hemsky:

And it happened quick. They called me. I was back home in Czech Republic, and the free agency started that July 1. I think it's July 1. And they called me right away, and they said, hey.

Ales Hemsky:

You you have five minutes. You know? Because they go from a to b to c and or they lie to you, whatever they say. You know? Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And he said, you got five, ten minutes. And at that point, I've been in the league for a long time. I'm like, I this is everything more than just deciding on my family to move to Montreal. And my wife was pregnant. We had our first child.

Ales Hemsky:

And I was in my head. I was like, I don't wanna do it. I I was struggling with the concussions already. And in the end, I signed it, and I I wish I did not. But, you know, you can't you can't look back.

Ales Hemsky:

And so I went to Montreal, played there, and seven game, I had another concussion. Yeah. And that was the end for me, and that become the struggles. I had to deal with, and I still kind of deal with. Mhmm.

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Ales Hemsky:

No. I mean, I grew up in Czech Republic. He goes What's it like growing up? Communist, it was different. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

Obviously, I was I'm born '83, but communist went down '89.

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

So there was more the effect after the communist, you know, because nothing was working. Right. But that effect of communist is it's still there, you know, for people. But I don't wanna get into that. But it was different.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. We just we play we had only soccer and and hockey pretty much and tennis. You know? We know we don't have baseball. We don't have football.

Ales Hemsky:

And my dad played hockey, so that's how I started to play hockey, but nobody told us about it. And in that time, nobody even care or knew. You know? Everybody are you our chicken or, you know, are you soft or you will just deal with it? Shake it off.

Ales Hemsky:

Shake it off. Yeah. It's okay.

Paul Frase:

Did they ever have smelling salts or the ammonia packets that

Ales Hemsky:

No? We never not in Czech Republic.

Corey Berry:

I I remember In Czech, they're just it is. You know, and I don't know nothing about the Czech Republic, and that's why I'm really wanting to hear about your life growing up there and how you dedicated yourself to hockey. But I guess there's only two sports there, so you either play soccer or you play hockey.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. I mean, it's a small city. I'm from city of Pardubice. It's 15 from Prague. Obviously, everybody knows probably Prague.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. You know, it's the main city, most beautiful city in the world, I think. But I was yeah. Small city, 100,000 people. Back in the day, smaller.

Ales Hemsky:

Probably, I would say 60,000. And one hockey rink, you know, in the middle of the town, and I could walk through it. I was living in a apartment, a small apartment, in that communist you not nobody had anything. You know? We all had kinda same.

Ales Hemsky:

So it's different. But we didn't know anything better. You know? If they don't show you anything, you just don't know what's up there. So we were pretty we were not happy, but we were okay.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. You were kids. I was a kid and just playing hockey and having fun. My dad played, so that's that's probably how I started. I see it on my kids.

Ales Hemsky:

I put them on hockey too. And I loved it. It was a peaceful, peaceful town, and that that main team, Pardom Bice, has a huge tradition. It's over a hundred years tradition. They playing playing hockey there.

Ales Hemsky:

So the it's a really big hockey city. They're getting big crowds. Now it's they have a owner. He's he's got a lot of he's got deep pockets, and they pretty much paying most money in the in the Europe. Right.

Paul Frase:

Yeah. I see. We're definitely gonna get into the the concussions and the repeated head impacts because that's what we talk about. We talk about how these repeated head impacts can cause this the the brain health issues. But I I've always been fascinated that so you played for sixteen years in the NHL.

Paul Frase:

You played two Winter Olympics for The Czech Republic. So how do you do some guys that for were from The Czech Republic play for America or play for or or or do they always go back and represent their country?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. So how it works, it's yeah. Everybody if you're from Canada or from United States, you just play for your country. Right. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

And there's a break in NHL. It started '98. Yeah. That was the first Olympics with the NHL players. Actually, Czech Republic won it.

Paul Frase:

Oh, really? Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. That was the golden era of Czech Republic. Yeah. And, yeah, you just it was you know, when you need to grow up in Czech Republic, for us, I didn't know anything about NHL. We didn't have the games back in days.

Ales Hemsky:

No.

Paul Frase:

I So it wasn't a dream of yours as a

Ales Hemsky:

kid to go to the NBA. And my dream was to make it to juniors. Yeah. That competition was really hard there and just make it to the main team in my city. That was my goal or national teams.

Ales Hemsky:

Right. National teams is huge for us because that's how we grow up. It wasn't the NHL. Like, later on when the when, obviously, communist went down and everything went down, then you start having the NHL games. And a lot of guys was defecting from from communist in the NHL, so you you know some names.

Ales Hemsky:

And then once the gate was open, a lot of guys was going, so that's when it started being big. But then I was, what, I was probably I was becoming, like, 12, 14 Right. 16. You know? But when I was younger, it was just a dream to play for my city Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And for other countries. So and I accomplished that. And and I'm lucky enough. I I won the world championship with Czech Czech national teams, and I have a medal from Olympics. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

So and What medal? I have a bronze. And that time, I didn't really think about it. Once you retired and you're watching Olympics, it's it's pretty cool. But the celebration, you know, when you win for your country, that's something you will never forget.

Ales Hemsky:

Right. Because, obviously, sports any problems people has, you know, you can see him on the World Cup right now in soccer, people forgets about their problems, and they all come together and Right. And cheer and having fun. And so when we went in, like, you go back to Czech, and, you know, the whole country just stops. It's, you know, 100,000, 200,000 people on the squares, and it's a huge celebration.

Ales Hemsky:

So

Paul Frase:

As it should be.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. So it's not about the medals. It's it's more about the memories you get with the guys.

Paul Frase:

Nationalism memories. The people and

Ales Hemsky:

the stories and stuff like that. You know, the medal, you can put it on the wall and show you.

Corey Berry:

Well, now it's gonna be my next question is playing for the Stanley Cup or playing for your country. I would think playing for my country is more important than the Stanley Cup. As far as memories and deep down go, you know, being able to represent America versus representing a team. In rodeo, we don't have teams. We don't have drafts.

Corey Berry:

You buy your permit. You You just go. But, you know, Clint Corey got a ride barebacks in the Olympics. Oh. During the rodeo, and he got a ride for America.

Ales Hemsky:

Oh. And You know that.

Corey Berry:

I would think that riding for your country Has gotta be a lot bigger than just doing it for your life.

Ales Hemsky:

It's a two different it's completely two different tournaments. Right. You know? Like

Corey Berry:

But I mean, it's in the heart of hearts.

Ales Hemsky:

It's a hard one because Is it? Yeah. Obviously, you're playing for a country that's that's means something. You don't get paid. You're just doing it for your country.

Ales Hemsky:

And it's the best on the best. But NHL is the best on the best too. Right. And, yeah, we go for Olympics. You know, we we don't really enjoy the Olympics.

Ales Hemsky:

We we fly there with with the Jets, and and we get there. We play the tournament. And once you lose or whatever, we're gone. So we don't really for us, it's like a tournament. Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And it's only, what, it's only two weeks tournament or, you know, compared to the season, the problems you have to go through and ups and downs and how long it is, they all have a different value, but in the end, it's kinda they're both up there. You know? Like, win winning Stanley Cup, it's hard. It's hard. A lot of things has to come together, and, you know, the guys has to come together.

Ales Hemsky:

And yeah. So it's it's hard to judge it. You know? Is it? Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

It is. Obviously, when you win for your country, it's a proud moment. Right. Plus And Because you're representing You're representing. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

But I don't When you're playing, you're representing the team.

Ales Hemsky:

Yes. You are. But

Corey Berry:

You know? But at the same point, your heart is into that team and playing for your brothers and everything.

Ales Hemsky:

It's kind of same thing.

Corey Berry:

You know? But kind of same thing. But you don't have America on your shoulders. You got

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Dallas. Yeah. You got Dallas. Just the just the city.

Ales Hemsky:

Not not that many people. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. No.

Ales Hemsky:

It's hard one. They they're both cool and, you know, both different. But

Paul Frase:

Is Dallas the third largest city in in America behind LA and New York?

Ales Hemsky:

No. No?

Corey Berry:

I think Houston's bigger than Dallas now,

Ales Hemsky:

isn't it? Guys, you gotta I don't I don't know. But

Paul Frase:

well, let's get this party started.

Corey Berry:

Okay.

Paul Frase:

Alright. Well, so so, obviously, the the the story of professional hockey and playing for The Czech Republic, it's it's kinda magical. Right? But let's get back to the repeated head impacts. Did you can you share how repeat repeated head impacts affected you after your playing career?

Paul Frase:

First, during your playing career, you said you you suffered some a lot of concussions during the playing career and then afterwards.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. The problem is I don't even know how many concussions I had. Mhmm. And just to start, I can see it in my kids. You know, how many because I played with older kids all my life, two years older kids.

Ales Hemsky:

Obviously, they are heavier. And I can see on my kids now, they playing a bit older, and I'm trying to be a little bit cautious now because you can there's no hitting, but there will be some hits. And now I can see how maybe it was affecting me in my younger life. But when you're young, you don't feel it that much. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

You just get up and you go. You recover a little faster, and but it will catch up to you Mhmm. One one day. And everybody's different. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

But, yeah, I it started it starts slow. You have one, maybe takes two days. And then all of sudden, we have one, it takes two weeks. And all of sudden, you have one, it takes three months to six months. And then you just it's just use it's just a spin spinning.

Ales Hemsky:

It usually wasn't the big hits. You know, I play in the era where it was really big guys. When I started, there was a different NHL. And then I play in the era. It was kinda changing a little bit.

Ales Hemsky:

It's now faster. But they're all different. It wasn't really the big hits. It was kinda the small ones you get in the right spots.

Paul Frase:

So you you know, we always talk about, you know, seeing the Kroller purple, seeing stars for a split second, so, you know, having just you know? So you had a lot of hits in hockey that were comparable to that.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. And, obviously, there's probably four or five. In hockey, you're just trying to get up and get on the bench and pretend pretend like nothing nothing happened. And in your mind, you're just like, oh my god. Then the trainer comes behind you and, you know?

Ales Hemsky:

Like, it was like in every sports. You know? You just don't wanna say anything. You know? I I I'm I'm sure now.

Ales Hemsky:

I know it's different now. They have a different protocols, but back in days, the trainer would come and he said, he would be like, you okay? Yes. Of course, I'm okay. And then you just go play.

Ales Hemsky:

Whatever happens happens. Yeah. So I had a probably I would say four or five, I know, was pretty big. I will be out for from span to a month to three months, four months.

Paul Frase:

So so you had to sit out from Yes. A couple of

Ales Hemsky:

the Capital hits.

Paul Frase:

Your hits. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

And then my last one was I got hit, and I felt it. I I knew I'm not good. And I get on the bench, and then it's a chaos. I I'm not really there. And so I'm kinda one guy is asking me, are you okay?

Ales Hemsky:

The coach screamed at me. You gotta go back. And so I jumped on the ice again, and I got because I wasn't there. You know? I I was just kinda floating, and then I got hit again.

Ales Hemsky:

And I'm like, I was just Yeah. I was I was never, like, out out. I was always able to get up. I always knew I gotta get on the bench somehow. Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

And then, yeah, I knew I'm not not okay. And from that time, that was my seventh game of the season, and I didn't play since.

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

And I was trying to come back, and I was doing all the testing in Montreal. Montreal did unbelievable job. They sent me to a bunch of different doctors, and they had really good organization for doctors and and stuff like that. So I'm I'm I'm grateful what they've done for me. And then in the end, I went to, you know, MRIs, watching games, playing games to try to figure it out, how my brain works.

Ales Hemsky:

And in the end and there's a testing you have to do if you want to come back. I was trying to come back a few times. Mhmm. So there's a protocol. I probably know that it's the same questions Right.

Ales Hemsky:

Over and over. So if I wanna make it Right. Or if I don't wanna make it, you know what I mean? It's the same questions. And I wasn't able to even accomplish 20% of it.

Ales Hemsky:

Wow. And I was trying my hardest in Indiana. I talked to doctors. He's like they did brain scans and stuff. He's like, I'm not recommending you playing.

Ales Hemsky:

Wow. But in the end, I was still hoping I had a bunch of different injury. I had a hip problem too. And I was just hoping I was getting a little better, and I was training. I was I will maybe not play NHL.

Ales Hemsky:

I'll go back, play to Europe, just kinda enjoying the enjoying the hockey in Europe and hoping for another year. I was just practicing and trying to get ready for a sea for another next season, and I took a wrong turn. Mhmm. Yeah. I was really depressed.

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Corey Berry:

So talk to us about your retirement and then what drove you to Ambeo in doing that. And I'm sure you you're like, I'm your family and everything and what brought you to Ambeo.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. So I retired, what was it, thousand eighteen, I think. Yeah. My kids my kids got born, and I was thinking you know, I was trying to come back, and I was I I wasn't right. I I was pretty bad.

Ales Hemsky:

I was starting being depressed. I had a lot of pain with my old injuries. It was combination of everything. And and I was just spinning around. I would sit on the couch.

Ales Hemsky:

I want to remember things, what I did five minutes ago. And, obviously, we are great people to hide stuff from your family. So only way it become like I start drinking. Like, I was always having fun, you know, And I didn't know how to kill the pain. I I didn't know how to deal with my pain anymore.

Ales Hemsky:

And it's crazy. I wanna get emotional, but, yeah, it took really effect on my family. And then my wife asked me if I'm okay. I said, I'm not okay.

Paul Frase:

So you were able to say I'm not okay?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Because I was just sitting around, and, honestly, I was thinking about just at one point, and I was just like, I don't want to live like that. You know? I don't think I would do it. I don't know.

Ales Hemsky:

But I was, yeah, I was thinking about, like, I don't I I I don't wanna live like that. This is not normal.

Paul Frase:

Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And yeah. So she she I called a PA or whatever. They give me a therapist in Dallas here. Great lady. Seen her.

Ales Hemsky:

You know how to I don't know if you guys do therapies, but Oh, yeah. It's it's kinda like you go there and then you stop, and it's it's kinda up and down. And and I did that for, what, three years. I was getting I was getting better, but I was gone in my mind. If time I was going this way, I I was taking the wrong turns.

Ales Hemsky:

And and then I started drinking more and, you know, started doing drugs. You know, you know, it's just like I I every time I felt good was just to numb myself, you know, to spit something. And it got in the point I was overdoing it. You know? Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And I couldn't control it. But I I was gone in that point is you just it's not you anymore. It's not your fault. Mhmm. Whatever you do, you know, I'm not ashamed to say about it, but it's not you.

Ales Hemsky:

It's just that concussions or whatever, that demon, it just takes over. And you can't do anything about it, and only way you can somebody has to save you. Somebody has to tell you straight up, this is not the way. You know? And for me, it was my family, you know, obviously, kids.

Ales Hemsky:

And and that time, I was in pretty bad. That's, like, a year ago, a year and a half. Yeah. A year ago, even a little bit more. And I met one NFL player.

Ales Hemsky:

My kids go in the same same school. And we were talking. He's in the same boat. I I can see in his eyes. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

Are we talking, like, sharing the same stories? You know? And and he was telling me he tried the Alaska and, you know, bunch of different psychedelics. Never did psychedelics. And he said also, said, did you ever heard about AbiGain?

Ales Hemsky:

And I said, no. I don't even know what it is. And he's like, I wanna I wanna do it, but I'm scared of it. In next two weeks, I am just on the party mode. Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And, yeah, and then I got a problem at home, and and and my wife was kinda mad and, you know, suddenly affect my my wife. And so I call him back, and I said, hey. What did you said about can you repeat that, you know, Abi gang? Can you send me some stuff? So he sent me some podcast.

Ales Hemsky:

He sent me the podcast with governor Rick Perry

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

And Joe Rogan and bunch of different stuff. Then I YouTube it, watched some testimonies from Navy SEALs, and be honest, I was mind blowing. I was like, it's like they talking about me. You know? It's like it's I think if you wanna change, you need to relate to somebody to their stories.

Ales Hemsky:

It really has a huge effect. And I think the sports athletes with the Navy SEALs, we have a lot of comments. You know, obviously, it's like I'm going with the guys in the war the whole season different way than them, but it's a commitment. And once you retire, you don't have it anymore, and and they have the same it's kinda different way, but it's the same story. And, yeah, so I watched it, and then I realized I know governor Rick Perry through some people.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. So next day, I just reach up to I reach up to Doug Wall, one of my great friends. He's a great friend with governor Perry, And he put us in a group chat, and Doug asked him if he can help me to go to I was I was like, I need to do this. Mhmm. I I can't do therapies.

Ales Hemsky:

It doesn't help me. It doesn't do anything for me. I I I need to fix my brain. I I need to do something like this. This this looks those guys, how they talk about it, how they feel, I need to I need to try this.

Ales Hemsky:

I didn't know anything about psychedelic. I know it's scary. Everybody but I didn't care. Like, would I die somewhere here? You know what I mean?

Ales Hemsky:

I didn't care about that. That thing was unimportant for me. And so I reach up, and Governor Perry just said, Alish, I will help you out. And two weeks later, I'm in Ambeo Clinic in Mexico. Right.

Ales Hemsky:

Starting my journey. Mhmm.

Corey Berry:

So tell us about that.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. It was was was crazy. I even had to I don't even have a time to prepare for anything. So it's coming really fast. It's just that they call me up, and they they they do some it's it's not like you go into Amazon doing some psychedelics.

Ales Hemsky:

This is structured thing. This is a real clinic.

Paul Frase:

There's a doctor involved.

Ales Hemsky:

There's doctors involved and everything. They they call you. You need to do EKG. You need to a bunch of tests just to make sure your body's okay. So I did all that.

Ales Hemsky:

Then they then you called their therapist, calls you, talks to you about the AbiGain, what will happen, where to go, you know, when to come to Mexico when when to come to San Diego because you have to fly to San Diego. And then they pick you up at the hotel. I have to fly day before because they pick you up 10AM usually, and it's forty five minutes ride to Tijuana. And, yeah, I'm just scared. I don't know what will happen.

Ales Hemsky:

And it's six of us. I'm going with special forces guys

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

Or some guys, You know, a bunch of different some guys was a one guy was a cop, I think, from Dallas. Then other guys was kinda military. So I went to the house where they treat military, and they put in sports when I talked to Trevor Mhmm. The, you know, MBO owner provider, the main guy, the guru, I call him. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

The athletes really work together with with military. So, yeah, we get there, and everybody's just wondering what will happen. And it's really peaceful place. Mhmm. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

People shouldn't be scared. They go into Tijuana. You know, you just drive to the house, and you will spend the five days. You will be there. Depends what kind of problems you have.

Ales Hemsky:

They have obviously, if you have a drug problem or if you're really in heavy drugs or you need detox, they have a detox problem. I wasn't on I didn't need that. And then you stay there longer, but that's a different story. So it's a five days program, and you get there. They welcome you.

Ales Hemsky:

There's the nurses, doctors. There's a private chef. It's it's high end. It's beautiful, peaceful. Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

I wish I could stay there for three months. Right. Right. You know? And, yeah, and then you have a you you just get there.

Ales Hemsky:

You have a, like, a group session, the circle session. You just kinda nobody forcing you to do anything.

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

They they ask you bunch of question. You can answer, or everybody's different. It's not like therapy. You know? It's just it's just to let it go and open up a little bit.

Ales Hemsky:

So we all said why we're here and how we heard about Ambeo Clinic. And and it was a kind of wake up call for me because they all had different issues. You know? If it was, you know, if it was drugs or somebody died or sexually abused, but then you realize it's all same. It's a brain trauma, and it doesn't matter what kind of issues you have.

Ales Hemsky:

You know? They're all same, and everybody's judging those problems a different way. You know? Somebody's on drugs. They're judging them when they're on drugs.

Ales Hemsky:

But somebody deals with those problems a different way. And, yeah, so it's really, really nice to see, like, man, there is more issues than than just mine. Mhmm. And so you do the circles, and so I went there on Monday. I will just say it on on Monday.

Ales Hemsky:

And then you go to this then you kinda do some testing. They go they do the EKG again for them, and they go you go to the sweat lounge. I don't know if you guys ever do the sweat lounge.

Paul Frase:

No. Not personally. No. I've I've

Corey Berry:

seen It's like a it will be do it in August.

Ales Hemsky:

You will yeah. It will be hot there. You actually they drive you to different different part of the town to somebody's house. He's got this kinda concrete sweat lounge, and it's it surprised me. It's pitch black there.

Ales Hemsky:

And you have to do some praise before you go there because they're taking it seriously. It's a Mexican Mhmm. You know, religion thing.

Paul Frase:

Re re ritual. Sorry. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

Ritual ritual thing. And so I kinda say the things. So I went inside and highly recommended. Don't sit by the fire. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

Okay? That's for you two guys. Every everybody who I send there now, I told that once you get in, just sit by the door because it gets hot. It'll get hot everywhere, but I think if you sit by that fire, it gets a little hotter. And yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

So it's pitch black. There's the one guy who is kinda running the another lady is doing the fire, and there's kinda they call it four doors. So you're there. You kinda go through four times. They told you you can always get out if you want it, but you have to say the pray you have to say the thing and get out.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. They don't force you to stay there, but there's a one athlete and five military guys. Nobody's getting out. Right. You know, I'm like, I I don't wanna be the first guy who's getting out.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, they're competitive. You know? I don't wanna be the first guy, the soft guy.

Corey Berry:

I think that's there for a reason.

Ales Hemsky:

And I wouldn't. Yeah. So it it gets hot. First couple is are good. And then the third one is the fire one, and that that one again I did give you a little thing for ears.

Ales Hemsky:

And I think those span twenty minutes twenty minutes. I don't know. But it's pitch black, and you have this rattle, like, and they give an instrument to everybody, a different one, and you just kind of playing and singing, and then he asks you a bunch of questions. And first, I was like, what the what is this? You know?

Ales Hemsky:

Like but slowly, once you get into it, I'm like, wow. Okay. This is real. Wow. This is starting to kinda make sense why I'm here and why I'm on this journey.

Ales Hemsky:

And yeah. So we did it all, and we nobody came out.

Paul Frase:

Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

And and I think it's, like, hour hour twenty minutes, I I think. I don't know exactly. But we all felt great. You know? I I think they just wanna sweat some stuff from you and getting ready for, you know, for the for the journey on Tuesday.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. And you come back you come back to the to the house. You just relax. They give you first they give you IVs. They measure your

Paul Frase:

no. Electrolytes and

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Everything. They measure every three hours.

Paul Frase:

Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. And As you're preparing?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. During the day. And and they give you some IVs. They start giving you some IVs. I don't know exactly what it is that you guys have to ask Trevor.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. And it's it's getting a little serious. And then we had another I think we just watched TVs and yeah. We have some bread work upstairs where where we actually did the Abbey game. They teach you how to breathe and starting to prepare you once you go in it.

Ales Hemsky:

And and then they kinda just watched you, hang out. We had a beautiful dinner, private chef. I mean, that food was amazing. Mhmm. And and then you kinda try go sleep, you know, if you can.

Ales Hemsky:

And in the more and then then it goes Tuesday, the second day. That's the day when you will do at night, you will do the arb again. Mhmm. And, again, you get some yoga in the morning to have a beautiful breakfast, just chatting with the guys.

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Ales Hemsky:

The doctor came for the breakfast, the main doctor. He told us his story and how he kinda get to Ambu because he was I he had a problem with alcohol. AbiGain saved his life also, and and a great guy, a funny guy, and we're just chatting at the breakfast. And I think we had a yoga after that, and then you have another circle, and you can after twelve, you stop eating and not drinking too much because they don't want you to get food inside. And then we had a circle again, just talking.

Ales Hemsky:

They're kinda preparing, telling us what to do, and then he had a one on one one on one meeting with with the guy who was running running the group. I have a guy who who was a pilot, like Top Gun, you know, and it has saved his life. He was one of the first guy first guy to doing it. And you had a one on one meeting with him, and he kinda explains you what to expect. And he tells you somebody comes prepare to write something, some piece of paper.

Ales Hemsky:

It's up to you if you wanna do it. It kinda makes you put it I think it's good to put it in your brain before, and then you just put whatever stuff you want to put. You can ask. You can just say, I want to get rid of this. I want to get better in this.

Ales Hemsky:

I wouldn't overdo it. Don't write an essay. You don't want to spend there too much. And just simple really simple things. Just, you know, don't don't write essay, but you can.

Ales Hemsky:

I that's everybody's different. And, yeah, we're kinda sitting around. Everybody's getting nervous. You know?

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

And he said a good thing. Like, he said, you gotta take it this way. It's like a roller coaster. You know? Once you sit on a roller coaster, you don't wanna get off.

Ales Hemsky:

You can't get off. Mhmm. You gotta ride it all the way. And once you start fighting it and you will fight it. Everybody will fight it.

Ales Hemsky:

It will kinda challenge you a little bit. Mhmm. But how I approach it, it was I didn't care. I'm just I was ready. I'm like, whatever this will show me or whatever this will do, I will just let it go and just do it.

Ales Hemsky:

And, yeah, we just sit around and just kinda everybody was quiet. And it it gets time to 08:00 at night, and we kinda get him prepared. We get another IVs, some some pills some pills. And then you go outside. They had a fire.

Ales Hemsky:

We get a fire outside. There's a

Paul Frase:

beautiful patio by the ocean.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. And they give you four pills. It's a capsules. Mhmm. It's in the capsules.

Ales Hemsky:

I I'm sure they measure it by weight and whatever you need. So they give you you again, you need to say do some ritual thing. Every nurse and every doctor is there, and they they they they send some virtual thing. You can say something, or you don't have to. I didn't really said anything.

Ales Hemsky:

I just said, I don't wanna swear here. Mhmm. Let's do it. I you burn the paper, and and you let it go and say, let's go. So they give you first pill.

Ales Hemsky:

I think forty five minutes later, they give you second one. Fifteen minutes later, they give you third one. And fifteen minutes later, they give you fourth one with the honey on top of the spoon. I forgot why, to be honest. And everybody's different.

Ales Hemsky:

Everybody gets hit hit a different way. I remember we we took the first one, and we we just we all of us just standing outside, you know, the stars, and we're just watching. And, again, I don't wanna be the first guy. Right. I feel like in my mind, it's like, I don't wanna be freaking out at first.

Ales Hemsky:

You know? Because I never did psychedelic. Right. I didn't know what to expect. So it was yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

You just stand there and kinda make you heard the noise, and we just, like, making fun of, oh, it's coming. Did you heard that? No. And I'd I remember we after first one, nothing, and we just went inside just sitting around. We took the the second one, and I could see two guys already start.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. They, like, kinda, like, looking a bit quiet, and they they can they started feeling it. So they went upstairs. You go upstairs. There's six mattresses.

Ales Hemsky:

You pick one, and you you all doing it together. Right. I mean, they have a bunch of different houses. Now they have a bigger house with 11 people, so I did it with six people. And I took four, and I didn't feel anything.

Ales Hemsky:

And I think I was with three guys there. I didn't feel anything. And after four one, we went upstairs. Anyway, I took my blanket. You take your pillow.

Ales Hemsky:

You just take comfortable comfortable clothes, whatever you need. And you can say you can take pictures of your family or and you come there. You pick your spot. And and there's a mirror in front of you, and then you can put your stuff there. And you're supposed to stare at the mirror and and kinda see the reflection.

Ales Hemsky:

You can you can have the rattle you had that's yours and see the reflection. To be honest, I didn't wanna see any. Right. I was, like, hoping I don't see anything. And it was becoming real, but I was already kinda in it.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, I didn't I wasn't focusing for for anybody. I was just on my on my own, you know, my own own space, but I didn't felt it yet. But probably I did, but I didn't felt like I'm in that stage. So I was staring in the mirror. I was kinda, like, you know, just relaxing and didn't pay attention to anybody, just focusing for myself.

Ales Hemsky:

And then I laid down. I'm like, okay. That's enough. And I just lay down, and, obviously, there's that music playing. They have this this tribe, like, this playlist.

Ales Hemsky:

Funny story. I I was thinking they they were playing only one song, the whole Yeah. Twenty four hours I was and they they not they never repeat one song.

Paul Frase:

Wow.

Ales Hemsky:

That's what I found out later. So I lay down. They give you the blinds. And it's pretty amazing because once you get into it, they can always knock into your shoulder or say, Alish, how are you feeling? And you just take a blind, and you get out of it.

Ales Hemsky:

And you just kinda get back, and you you get back to wherever you are. So I'm laying there, and beside me, guys already in it, like, heart. Like, he's they call it purging. Mhmm. And you're not really purging.

Ales Hemsky:

In your mind, you feel like you are Mhmm.

Paul Frase:

Purging

Ales Hemsky:

your everything outside. And he was just, like, spitting. You have a bucket, and I was actually praying I will not do that. You can ask the Abi game, whatever you need to do. Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

So and I was just like, please. I I don't wanna be that guy. But there's nothing wrong. It's yeah. I just that was one thing I didn't wanna do.

Ales Hemsky:

But and I just lay down and put my mask and not no one really much. They can give you boosters. Mhmm. If you don't really feel anything, they give you one more, and they walk you around a little bit. And, yeah, so they can manage it different way.

Ales Hemsky:

And then I remember the doctor just went one by one was asking guys, how are you feeling? And he came to me, and he said, Alesh, how are you doing? How are you feeling? I said, I'm feeling great, but I don't feel anything yet. He's like, don't worry.

Ales Hemsky:

It's coming. And how he said that, I probably just kinda let it go. I kinda relaxed Mhmm. And it came. It it came like

Corey Berry:

So you were fighting it without knowing you were fighting

Ales Hemsky:

it? Was like I was like, I don't wanna have it yet. And, like, I just didn't know what to expect. And because you hear all these stories. It's probably better if you don't know anything about it.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. Yeah. Just go and you know, you create your own story. Right. Anyway, you all the guys will create whoever does it will create his own story.

Ales Hemsky:

They're all different. That's that's the beauty of it. Mhmm. And it came it always came through my toes, and it came really hard. And it was like an energy going and I could feel it going through my body and my stomach, and it go it went straight for my brain.

Ales Hemsky:

Boom. And I'm laying there, and I'm in different planet just kinda your head is still. Like, you you can't move. It's kinda mind blowing. And and I'm just and it starts stretching my brain.

Ales Hemsky:

And it was my face was disappearing this way and this way. It was so uncomfortable. And only thing I remember, I'm like, they told me I would do this overnight. And I'm like, I can't do this overnight. This is not and I'm like, man, this is this is getting a little too much.

Ales Hemsky:

And the only thing I know, they they're telling me, like, you don't fight it. Let it go. Breathe. And I'm like, man, I I I don't know. This this goes for one minute.

Ales Hemsky:

Maybe they go for one hour. I don't know. Because you don't know what how long you you in it in that time. It feels like it's two two minutes. It could be two hours.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. And it's just stretching my brain. This way this way, my face disappearing, like, kinda like and and all day, I'm like, I'm done. Like and all of sudden, it start it start talking to me. And it was like, no.

Ales Hemsky:

You're not done. This is just a start. And I'm like, no. No. I don't wanna do this.

Ales Hemsky:

And he's like, no. You're doing this. Let's go. And once you said that, I'm like, okay. Okay.

Ales Hemsky:

Let's do it. You're not talking. You're just kinda talking to your mind, I guess. And I'm like, okay. Let's go.

Ales Hemsky:

Let's let's do it. And it's changed. And all of a sudden, this mini, mini workers, like a mini robot. So mini workers, it's like a train going again again from outside to my toes, to my legs, to my stomach, all the way to my head. And I'm just laying there.

Ales Hemsky:

I'm like it's like a surgery. And they just working. They opening my skull, and they actually, on that ear where I have a vertigo, they spend so much time. And it's in the spots where I felt, like, the pain. And I'm like I'm mind blown.

Ales Hemsky:

I'm like, this is great. You know? And I'm just laying there, and they're just working. They're just going they go they go out through my body. They go back, and the couples are here on my shoulders that I had surgeries.

Ales Hemsky:

All those surgeries I had, they stopped and worked. And I don't know how long this goes, but I'm like, wow. This is why I came here. This is this is great. And and all of sudden, they this is kinda disappearing, kinda going outside my body, and they're kinda done.

Ales Hemsky:

And then it's changed quick to be a personal personal stuff. And all of a sudden, I'm hearing my kids crying and my wife yelling, and I'm confused. I didn't really understand it. I was trying to hear it again, and and and there's pictures going my family and and pictures. And I I I was thinking it's it's so negative.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, they're kinda judging me and and telling me something, and I I couldn't understand it. And then it becomes more peaceful, and it kinda was telling me that everybody loves me and, you know, this is what is important in your life. And, yeah, it was kinda kinda taking it was it never showed me anything, like, really negative. It was showing me, you don't need this negative stuff. It was showing me, like, this is what you need to put in your hat.

Ales Hemsky:

This is important. Your family is important. You you don't wanna hurt anybody. You're not the guy. And in one point, I had, like, flashing, you know, like a street sign triangle.

Ales Hemsky:

And it was a it was a skull with two bones. Like, he, like, if you don't, you you die. And it was, like, it was, like, flashing on me, like, for a long time. And I still remember in this day, and it was just flashing. It's like, that's what will happen.

Ales Hemsky:

You will you will die. And these people, you they will be sad. You know? So that's what it was kinda telling me. And and then then it becomes, like, really peaceful.

Ales Hemsky:

Really, I saw pictures, and I I could see pictures of and I was like there was, like, opera in the tables, like, all the surgeons. I could see, like, how I laying on the on the tables, and they they operate on me. And it was just all these people coming at me, like, telling me we love you. And, yeah, it was really, like it was really peaceful, emotional. And then it kinda changed again.

Ales Hemsky:

And, I said, how I retired, it this is a great story. I I when I retired, I my always dream was to play to play in Europe, you know, to finish my career in Europe in front of my family and, you know, in that stadium where I grew up, and I didn't have the chance. And I I didn't realize how much that was bothering me, And I really retired really quietly. A lot of guys have those games and people clap for them. Not everybody has that.

Ales Hemsky:

But I didn't realize it was really bothering me how I retired and how was how was I forced to retire that way. So, also, I have a I have a vision. I am in that stadium in in my city, Pardubica, in that stadium where I go up, and and it's full of people. And and they're all cheering and and this commentator saying, Alec Hemsky's going on the net, and he's scoring. This is his last goal.

Ales Hemsky:

This is it. And give me that peace of mind in my brain. It's over. That's what it that's what it did for me. And when I went back home, I didn't have to watch hockey.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, I was in peace. It was crazy. It gave me the vision of what I need to see, what was bothering me in my in my, obviously, my consciousness or whatever it is, and it gave me that peace that what I was looking for, I guess. And then I remember and I don't know how long I'm in it now. Like, you know, I was kinda open the blinds.

Ales Hemsky:

I was kinda white. I was thinking it's already morning, but probably wasn't. And I was going back to it. And then, you know, I I totally bought a piece of paper. I wrote wrote some stuff on it, and all of a sudden, I'm in, like, a Minecraft movie.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, no. Minecraft game. Mhmm. Like, my kids playing it. But it's all about my life.

Ales Hemsky:

And I have to go through levels. And end of the level, I have to answer one of those things I put on that piece of paper. And I was kinda cruising first couple. Okay. This is great.

Ales Hemsky:

And then it start challenging me. And I was getting really, really, like, tired, and and it didn't let me. It kinda make me in the loop, kinda make me to dig deep. What did I wrote there? And it was telling me this is, like, this is really important.

Ales Hemsky:

And I couldn't answer it, and I was just getting really mad, and I was kinda fighting with that. I'm like, I'm done. Like, leave me alone. And and it was not all of sudden, you show, like, I think two people. It was, like, my mom or somebody, and they were talking.

Ales Hemsky:

It was like, listen. And they said that thing, and I'm like, I was repeating it. He's like, you got it. Then I went to next level and next level. And and then it was kinda it was kinda peaceful after that.

Ales Hemsky:

I was in the forest and the fire just sitting there, and everybody was smiling on me and kinda was telling me, you've done it. You you you've done it. It was really peaceful. And, yeah, and it was kinda that's kinda what I remember.

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Paul Frase:

Let me ask you a question. Yeah. Let's go back three weeks before your journey. Mhmm. You met the football player, the NFL player.

Paul Frase:

You guys talked about I. B. Gain. You mentioned before that meeting that you were miserable. You your kids were not your wife wasn't happy.

Paul Frase:

You weren't happy. You were done with life as you knew it, and you didn't wanna go on living life that way. Yeah. So it was when you say emotional, you got emotional when you shared with that with us. I'm going through something right now with my beautiful 25 year old, and I'm getting emotional.

Paul Frase:

Right? But what happened from those emotions where you didn't want to go on I'm assuming are you saying you didn't want to go on living if you were going to live that way and exist that way? What happened between then and three weeks later when you took your journey and then you you came back to your home and you you experienced your family.

Ales Hemsky:

I'll tell you that. So I was in it for I was there longest. I had a mentality like, I have a mentality when I do something, I wanna finish it. And I think a lot of athletes or a lot of you know, I I don't wanna say athletes. There are a lot of people who has that.

Ales Hemsky:

And I didn't know when it's over. So I was there for I remember I was there for twenty four hours in the interim. Everybody was gone. And the guy had to come there, and I remember the nurse was just staying there with me. And the guy came to me, and and he's like, Alex, just come down, man.

Ales Hemsky:

And I'm like, no. I'm not done. Like, I need to finish this. And I just did an all hands over. Wow.

Ales Hemsky:

And I was laying there for twenty four hours. I I took it on Tuesday '9. And, you know, you're doing Reiki on Wednesday. You're doing Reiki around Wednesday, 6PM. I was still in that room.

Ales Hemsky:

I didn't remember how I was in that table. I remember they put me in that table, and she was doing Reiki or somebody was doing Reiki. And now I'm back to that bed. And then all of sudden, he came to me, and he's like, hey. Your wife wants to because they take your phone

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

Because you will be then it'll become a gray day. They call it gray day after you've done the abbey game. You kinda go back to your room. And he came to me, your your wife wants to know if you if you're okay. And and that kind of kind of woke me up a little bit, and I said, okay.

Ales Hemsky:

He took a picture. He sent it to her. I was thinking I'm looking like Right. Like, am, like, on bender. You know?

Ales Hemsky:

Like, I've been on, like, two week bender and just looking, and then I saw the picture later. I was completely normal. Wow. I look normal. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

But in my mind, I was like, oh my god. You have to see me like this. You're like, no. But dad woke me up, and in probably, like, half an hour, I was like, okay. I need to get down.

Ales Hemsky:

So I I went down and, yeah, and then become the grade. And my grade was really bad. It was another another story. Yeah. I was I had the biggest headache, and I felt like vertigo.

Ales Hemsky:

And some one guy was already okay on the table. He said, you you guys will have some food and not a lot of people will eat. And and, yeah, I remember I I I went down through through the stairs down, and I couldn't even walk. And I'm just sitting there, and and I'm like, I I can't be here. So I went back to my bedroom.

Ales Hemsky:

I was sharing bedroom with another guy, and I asked him, like, how he feels. Like, I'm horrible too. We we all had it pretty pretty bad. That's not not bad. It's

Paul Frase:

just It's

Ales Hemsky:

not uncommon. It's not uncommon, but some guys are some people are just on, and they really punish me. It really show me I need to I need to change. You know? Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

I guess I gotta stop blaming other people. You know? And sometimes you have to take a responsibility, you know, for yourself. So, yeah, it really punished me. And, yeah, that's Wednesday.

Ales Hemsky:

I went back to the bed. I couldn't sit anywhere. I couldn't it's like I I was like I went back to bed and playing there. I'm still having visions. It's so it's like crazy, and I couldn't sleep the whole night just judging myself.

Ales Hemsky:

I was actually thinking that Navy SEAL or he will kill me. I was in my mind. It's like, if I move and it was probably the same way. He was like, this guy will kill you with hockey stick. But in my mind, I was like, still going.

Ales Hemsky:

And, yeah, it's Thursday. And then we're supposed to do a five mAO DMT. I didn't even know what's five mAO DMT. Mhmm. And I just remember I woke up, and seven, like, o'clock, somebody told me something told me I need to get up, but still feeling really bad.

Ales Hemsky:

Really bad. Like, I want I was like, this is it, man. I I want to I feel like I want to hell Mhmm. And back. In that great day, I was in hell.

Ales Hemsky:

And and, yeah, I was feeling bad, and then they they told me we have a yoga. I'm like, I can't even do yoga. I can't even stand. Mhmm. And it's Thursday and Friday.

Ales Hemsky:

I'm I'm going home. I'm like you know, I hear a story people get smacked, and they're like, oh, you guys give me this, and I feel like, you know, I feel like you're worst, and people leave. You know? People, like and they will call them back one day later. They'll be like, oh, now I understand.

Paul Frase:

Now I understand. You just

Ales Hemsky:

be patient. Yeah. Just be patient. You might go through some up and downs, but it's just a process you need to go through it. Right.

Ales Hemsky:

And everybody's different. The Abbegin will do whatever you need to see Mhmm. Whatever you need to hear. If it's good, if it's bad, it will do it for you.

Corey Berry:

No. I'm scared.

Ales Hemsky:

No. No. No. That that's my story. I I hear a lot of peaceful story.

Ales Hemsky:

I hear more peaceful stories than than it's just I need that kick on my

Paul Frase:

It was like a roller roller coaster. So so and and you didn't get off. And and

Ales Hemsky:

you you I didn't get off. I stayed off, and I was I was I was bad. But I I will skip that I will skip, but you you wanna ask me about that question. What? So I was flying back I was flying back home.

Ales Hemsky:

It was Friday. Finally, I'm kinda I'm I'm great. Once I did the five MEO, it was the best thing I ever done. It was it was crazy ride too for me, but it's it was I inhale it, and he told us somebody will fell down. Somebody will falling down.

Ales Hemsky:

Somebody will cry. Somebody will you know? And I'm, like, scared of heights. I'm like, I don't want to fell him down. And I was like, I don't want to do it.

Ales Hemsky:

Like, I don't want see more alright. But then I did it and and and I went I was going through was kinda going some black hole, and it was squeezing me. It was like I am I I heard, like I had panic attacks

Paul Frase:

Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

Couple times through the through concussion. When I did some testing, they really they spin me around, and and I felt like that. Like, I'm dying. I'm I was going down and squeezing me. I see this you know?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. It was squeezing me, and all of a sudden, it explode. And I'm I'm not a religious person. Now I'm I believe something after I began, like, this like, something, like, the energy and different stuff. But I was flying on on the in the sky white.

Ales Hemsky:

It was completely white, the whitest I ever seen. And it was like all the pain I had through my body, it explode. It it was gone, and was just floating there.

Corey Berry:

Just I wouldn't know what to do with myself.

Ales Hemsky:

No. I it was so peaceful, and it was just give me like, it was gone. My pain was gone. Everything was anxiety. Like, you know, the anxiety.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. It it felt like it's gone, and I'm floating there. And just and then I I woke up from it, and it's a really short trip. Right. The first one, it's I think it was five minutes, maybe.

Paul Frase:

Oh, really?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. The first one the first one, it will be short, but I can give you he can give you another one. I woke up. Slider, the guy we had, the pilot, he asked me, how are you feeling? And I just start crying my eyes off.

Ales Hemsky:

Mhmm. Yeah. I I always think I remember I said this was this was hard, but what I meant was hard. Not that part, but the part before the the stuff before I get to Abi Gaine. And I just cry cried.

Ales Hemsky:

And he asked me, you wanna do it again? I'm like, no. Yeah. I'm doubting I'm done for one. I did it one more time, the five MEO with Trevor.

Ales Hemsky:

I went there a second time just visiting, and it was a different story. That took me deeper. Right. But that's that's a rare one. But but I remember after Abhiking, when I was going for the yoga, I was I had a headache.

Ales Hemsky:

But, also, I'm on that yoga, and they're playing this music, and I'm starting feeling better. And I look at in the skies, I saw a blue color, like a blue color. I don't remember I see I I could see colors the same way, and then my eyes was clear. It was like car washes. It was sorry.

Ales Hemsky:

It was it was crazy. And back to your back to your question. Sorry. I took you for a ride a little bit. But, yeah, I came home.

Ales Hemsky:

So I didn't have any feelings before. You know? Before before I went to Ambio, I I had zero feelings. Like, if somebody would die beside me, I don't

Paul Frase:

think I would care. You were apathetic. No.

Corey Berry:

That's me right now.

Ales Hemsky:

I had zero feeling. And so I came home. It's Friday at night, like 10PM, and my kids were in our master bedroom sleeping with my wife. And I went there to sleep. I didn't woke them up.

Ales Hemsky:

But in the morning, they my kid, my younger one, my six year old woke up, and he give me this biggest heart and biggest smile, and I was crying. And I'm like but then when I talked to Trevor or whatever, he said, you know, that was there before, but he just couldn't. That's how damaged you were. You had no feelings. You couldn't see it.

Ales Hemsky:

You couldn't feel it. And from the time, yeah, I could felt it. I could see that smile. I could feel it. I I could see it in his eyes.

Ales Hemsky:

Then my oldest son, same thing. And I was like, I was mind blowing. Was crying. I felt like I'm back, man.

Paul Frase:

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Corey Berry:

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Ales Hemsky:

So like restoration. Yeah. It was like, for a start, it was like, I'm reborn. It's kinda like that. It's How how about your wife?

Ales Hemsky:

Same thing. Like, she said she could see it on my eyes. Yeah. She was like, wow. Like, my eyes were clear, and she could see there is a different person.

Ales Hemsky:

I knew maybe before. You know? Like and it was crazy. I was I was just I was tired and and everything, but I didn't wanna watch TV. I want to be outside.

Ales Hemsky:

I think you have appreciation more for what's around you, not that stuff we have just watching the phone and all this. We get cut to it, you know, all this what's around us. And I just I I remember I just wanted to be outside. I was full of energy. And, you know, and then your journey starts.

Ales Hemsky:

It's it's not a magic pill. You still have to work on it. But I wasn't craving anything, and I didn't drink from that time. I didn't have alcohol this day. I don't I don't crave in it.

Ales Hemsky:

I go out with people. I know it's different from rehabs or whatever because in rehabs, I think they tell you, you gotta stop drinking. Yeah. No. No.

Ales Hemsky:

No. But but it's not that easy. And and they tell you, oh, but if you have a drink, you will fall apart and you will die. You know you know what I mean? That's how that's how it make make you feel.

Ales Hemsky:

That this becomes like your option. This is your decision, and and I know I can have a beer. I can enjoy it. I I know I can have it, and it wouldn't be a disaster. Mhmm.

Ales Hemsky:

Because I know my limits now or whatever. I I'm just it just feels different. Right.

Corey Berry:

So a year later. Yeah.

Ales Hemsky:

It's a year and three months, four months.

Corey Berry:

Year and three months later. How are you feeling today compared to when you came out?

Ales Hemsky:

I feel unbelievable. Like, I lost probably, like, 30 pounds. I get a routine. I'm working out. I'm full of energy with my kids.

Ales Hemsky:

It's it's completely different. It's really changed my life to to I I never think I'm a bad guy. Like, you know, like, you get cut people tell you, some people are because you're doing that you're bad guy. No. You're not.

Ales Hemsky:

You just you just cut in this loop, and it's not your fault. And I feel amazing. I'm really enjoying my life. It's it's unbelievable.

Paul Frase:

That that's what we wanna hear. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

Yeah. And I'm excited because August 3, we fly in Sunday, August 2. August 3, Trevor picks us up. And your story is just everything. I mean, I I have a feeling because of the way I was raised, my background, all my head injuries, my shoulder injuries, my back injuries, all of my surgeries, that I'm gonna have a hard time going through this.

Corey Berry:

There's gonna be a battle. I just have a feeling. But you know what? If I go through it, I gotta go through it.

Ales Hemsky:

It's always it's never what you think it is.

Corey Berry:

I know. But I just you know, there's a lot of stuff. Like right now, I have zero apathy, zero empathy, zero Yeah. Know. And so I gotta work through all of that.

Corey Berry:

My therapist, Crystal, who works with a lot of people with RHI, our therapist, She's really excited because That's good. When I go to talk to her about she starts EMDR and she goes, well, let's talk about your childhood. And I'm it doesn't freaking matter. Yeah. She goes, I can't wait for you to do Ibogaine.

Corey Berry:

You're gonna have to deal with your childhood.

Ales Hemsky:

You'll probably see something. I mean, but that's a blessing. You know what I And and I went to my therapist. A week later, I came from Ibogaine. And and I told her about it.

Ales Hemsky:

I'm going there. She's like, great. But she never she didn't think any she didn't know anything about it. We start talking. She's like, you are this is amazing.

Ales Hemsky:

She's like, you don't need like, after one session, was done. She's like, we don't need to do this. You wanna do you wanna you wanna come back? Or she's like, you don't you don't need me.

Paul Frase:

You're you're fixed. No. But that's

Ales Hemsky:

what that's envy. Like, I said, Okay. I'll I'll call you if I but she's like, It's amazing. You you don't need me anymore.

Paul Frase:

Al said, I I think we need to have you back again soon. Oh, definitely. Thank you for sharing this.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Get a

Corey Berry:

part two out of this.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. I don't wanna scare like, this is my this is my story. I'm telling you my story. That's how I've seen it. It's that's what I need to see.

Ales Hemsky:

And I you know, the I'll begin. That's how it works. It's really will show you what you need to see. And it doesn't matter if it's good or bad. You gotta take it like a blessing.

Ales Hemsky:

You know? So don't think about it. You it will be bad. It it's just what it is. You will move on and you will understand it on the way.

Ales Hemsky:

It takes a while to understand what you saw there. And I'm still learning what really because you will come up with stuff. You will understand why that happened there on the way.

Paul Frase:

So, Alex, we always leave our audience with a word of hope. Your your your whole message is about about hope.

Corey Berry:

This whole episode has been about hope. I'm I'm excited to go to Ambeo. I wish he would go with us back to Ambeo to go on this trip.

Ales Hemsky:

Open. I'm now I'm getting open go back just to learn more. It's nothing I really needed, but after a year, you kinda, like, you start being more open about it. So I'm I'm more open about it, but I'm still scared like you guys. You know what I mean?

Ales Hemsky:

I'm like one day, I'm like, I wanna go, and another day, I'm not. And yeah, I'm open to go back for sure. That's awesome. Powerful.

Paul Frase:

Thank you.

Corey Berry:

Hopefully, I get medically cleared to go do all of this.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah.

Corey Berry:

I mean, the one thing that they were worried about was my well, just found out I got an aortic aneurysm, so that's one thing. But I also have central nerve system damage. It's not POTS, but I got heat regulation issues. I got all of the regulatory issues, and they were worried about that. So the doctors called me.

Ales Hemsky:

Make sure everything is good because it it has to it's meant it will meant to be.

Corey Berry:

Well, know what mean. Said, it's a this ain't just going to Costa Rica or going. This is a medical clinic that has the great cardiologists, great doctors. It's a clinic.

Ales Hemsky:

I will judge you like that. I will send my kids there.

Paul Frase:

Right. Wow. You know what I mean? That's that's a testimony right

Ales Hemsky:

will send I will send my kids there. Right. Right. You know, I know you can send kids. But a lot of kids have a problem when they are 16 by bullying, whatever problems they have.

Ales Hemsky:

I would personally send my kids to this clinic. That's how I'm strong about them and how professional they are. And it is just amazing clinic, and I hope more people will go there

Paul Frase:

That's and get a great testimony for Ambio and how they handle professionally. So that's exciting.

Corey Berry:

Well, on the side of his chaps when he goes to ride bulls, it'll say Ambeo

Ales Hemsky:

on it. I get my I get my tattoos. This is my journey of on my Ambeo. This is finding me out. So I

Corey Berry:

Oh, the tattoos on your leg?

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. Yeah.

Corey Berry:

I got Oh, wow.

Ales Hemsky:

That's great.

Corey Berry:

Hey. Maybe you'll get tattoos on your leg of your journey.

Paul Frase:

Yeah. I don't know about that.

Ales Hemsky:

You see?

Paul Frase:

My my daughter would be

Corey Berry:

So word of hope.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. I I mean, there is a hope. Yeah. The the this this stuff really worked for me, and I was yeah. I didn't know where to go.

Ales Hemsky:

And, I mean, I'm just so blessed. I met that guy, you know, and we talked about it, and I got to MBO. And it just really it's it's it's hard people for them to believe, but I think more they see testimonies, maybe mine or somebody else, they can relate to it. And you have to always relate to somebody. And, yeah, I'm I'm I would anybody should do it.

Ales Hemsky:

Right? You know? And I I hope people do it not when they get down you're on the verge to die or whatever it is, but just do it before. You know? It's not that hard.

Ales Hemsky:

It's a five days thing. I see different way now. It's it's not hard. It's it's it will challenge you, but it's just five days thing. It's you will be fine.

Ales Hemsky:

You will go through some you know, you will see some visions, or maybe you will not see any visions, but it's not a big deal. You will be you probably seem worse in your life than than that.

Paul Frase:

Sounds like the great reset for you.

Ales Hemsky:

It it was complete I feel like I feel like I'm 18 years old again, and that's how I felt today. I'm 18, and I I can choose a path. I can go back this way, or I can stay on that journey. And it seriously feels like I can make my choices again.

Paul Frase:

That's great.

Ales Hemsky:

That's how it feels.

Paul Frase:

You're back you're back in the driver's seat.

Ales Hemsky:

Exactly. Yes. I'm in the I'm pilot's dictating my life now.

Paul Frase:

Good. Not

Ales Hemsky:

something else.

Paul Frase:

And the injuries to the brain are

Ales Hemsky:

not dictating. Have no headaches.

Corey Berry:

Wow. I have nothing. I need this.

Ales Hemsky:

I seriously get it.

Corey Berry:

I'm on Emgality shots. I take headache pills. I do everything to keep the headaches.

Ales Hemsky:

I guarantee you you will be mind blown what this will do for you and how many pills you will stop taking whatever you and I'm so excited for you. I'm so excited to talk to you the day after or whatever. You know? Yeah. You'll you'll it'll be unbelievable.

Paul Frase:

We'll track you down wherever you are in the world.

Corey Berry:

Well, thank you. And I'm just I gotta thank Trevor for introducing me to you and getting the conversation going. You know, Trevor came on. He's the cofounder of Ambeo. You can go back and watch that episode.

Corey Berry:

They have become a part time sponsor for the HeadRush Podcast. And, man, let me tell you. Hearing your story, it seems like we've had a lot of surgeries together that are the same shoulders and everything, and we've gone through a lot. And you just give me more hope that this iBegin is gonna give give me the rest I need It will. And maybe get my life back on track along with all the other therapies that I'm doing, the hormones and all of that and the red light therapy or the internasal PBM therapy through V Lite.

Corey Berry:

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Paul Frase:

Paul, any final words? I'm excited to hear your story. I'm excited to hear the results. And so we we always end this podcast with Stay Alert and Stay Alive, and you have you have really given us a story that has been been very encouraging and enlightening. So thank you.

Ales Hemsky:

Yeah. I hope you will go there, and you have amazing journey. And your story will help somebody else. It's it's all about and, you know, we we just have to share those things. There's no shame.

Ales Hemsky:

You know? It's it's it is what it is.

Corey Berry:

Alright? I'm nervous about what I'll have to share.

Ales Hemsky:

You know? You know?

Corey Berry:

In September 11, we're gonna be back in studio for the first time after doing Ibogaine. Yeah. And we got a softball game, celebrity softball game

Paul Frase:

Right here in Dallas. Go.

Ales Hemsky:

When is that? When are you guys

Paul Frase:

it's in September 12?

Ales Hemsky:

That's I should be here. Yeah. I have Annie Wurser in September 12. Do you know you wanna do it? K, Len?

Ales Hemsky:

No. I don't.

Corey Berry:

He does the celebrity softball in

Ales Hemsky:

I'm not really good softball. No. So I can't maybe tell

Corey Berry:

you shoulder surgery, brain injuries. I'm not a good softball player either, but I'm gonna go out there to represent. Guess what my number is? Did you send your number in? No.

Corey Berry:

Oh, man.

Ales Hemsky:

You may

Corey Berry:

not even get it.

Paul Frase:

91. I I I sent him a 91.

Corey Berry:

Did you send him 91? I picked 99 because I got 99 problems.

Paul Frase:

Okay. Alex, thank you. You're welcome, guys. Appreciate it.

Corey Berry:

No problem. It. Thank you so much.

Paul Frase:

We'll we'll have you again soon.

Corey Berry:

Yeah. I will. Thank you. I will. Stay alert.

Ales Hemsky:

And stay alive. Have a good one.

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