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So what's been harder for Scotty Cardle? Was it fighting in front of thousands of people or trying to navigate kind of fatherhood when life doesn't always go to plan?
Speaker 2:They've both they've both been very difficult. You know mean? Obviously, like, people just see oh, with the boxing, people just see that one night. But that one night is ten, maybe twelve weeks worth of hard graft. And it's the same with being a being a dad.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Like, everyone sees me out playing with Darcy, like, maybe in the park having having a having a great time, having a laugh. But it's a it's a it's a hard work at home. You know what I mean? It's like, tell her not to brush her teeth or tell her tell her not to get to bed.
Speaker 2:There's there's more to it. So they were both I I don't like to say difficult because, like, like, honestly, there's a difficulty in everything, but, as far, it's it's a it's a beautiful process. You know what I mean? Like, even even when the boss and the bosses, I seeing the progression, seeing your transformation in the body, your transformation, like, for for the for box of the opponent that you're up against, seeing that, that that's that's a beautiful thing. Obviously, seeing the growth of your little girl, seeing, like, her start to interact better and starting to even tell her joke.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? I love all that. You know what mean? So those those those hardships are those beautiful parts as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I would say they're very chevron in a way, but very different and down all the way, if that makes sense.
Nathan:When you're in when you're in a fight or in camp and you and you're having to dig in kind of really, really deep at times, so it gets hard. Right? Physically, mentally, presumably hard. I've never done Yeah. So I have no idea.
Nathan:Yeah. But do you get the same type of emotions when you're going through kind of fatherhood with Darcy and and everything, or is it just totally, totally No.
Speaker 2:No. I'm saying I've never thought of it that way, but, like, there's certain frustrations in in a training camp that I'll get with Darcy. Right? And that's that's not annoyance. It's just, like, certain things that just doesn't go your way.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? Because trade training the ultimate process of training in a training camp is eventually it will go your way. And it's the same with having a little girl, having a little boy, whatever, having a kid, is nothing goes your way until it goes away. You know what I mean? And that's that's what I think, like, obviously, talking about before being being difficult, have beautiful at the same time is is dealing with the frustrations.
Speaker 2:Like, you have to encamp, like, you have to with a kid. Because, obviously you're gonna get frustrated with a kid. They're always gonna listen to you. They're not always gonna do what you say. They're not always gonna do this or do you know what mean?
Speaker 2:And you could easily lose your head or you could control it like you have a bullet in training camp and just, like, take on the chin, move on to the next one. You know what I mean?
Nathan:I guess the difference as well, though, right, is you you when you're boxing and training, it's you, isn't it? So you're largely in control of the outputs. Exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly.
Nathan:It's when you've got a kid, it's like Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's like
Nathan:You're so far out of control.
Speaker 2:It's in the That's the difference. That's the difference because, obviously, it's it's a one man's four boxes. And and, yeah, this is not about one man's four other one. No. Not other one.
Speaker 2:But
Nathan:Take me back to growing up. You were you were born in Blackpool.
Speaker 2:Right? Yeah. Born in Blackpool. Know it don't sound like it. But, yeah, I was born and bred in Blackpool, and I wasn't a naughty kid.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Like, everyone thinks that you're bosses. They all come from being a naughty childhood. I I would never was don't get me wrong. I was a little bit cheeky here and there and that, but I played football as a kid, and I was very so whenever I was in trouble, nobody ever could have could catch me.
Speaker 2:I was very, like, you know I mean? My fans were great as a kid. You know what mean? I used to dodge them and used to dodge everyone. And my dad always thought, bloody hell, I think he'd be a good little ball for him, the way he moves and that.
Speaker 2:And from then on, obviously, he took me to the ball stage of it. I think I was a seven year old. And I wasn't amazing to start with as everyone is, know what I mean? But I I picked up a love. And, obviously, I I decided after a better time now, decided to go fully into the ball season.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, I packed in the football pretty much, and I went full full steam ahead with the ball season and loved it. Obviously, lost my lost my first fight in Cleavelies. It was like an egg service for this club at Cleavelies. And
Nathan:Which one? Do remember?
Speaker 2:I'll remember when I see it.
Nathan:On the high street?
Speaker 2:Yeah. It was on the high street. Yeah. Yeah. Like, car parks.
Nathan:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, I lost it there against no. No. I'll tell you why. I lost it in the Brunswick in Blancockburn. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I lost it in because at the table, was a Celtic supporters club. So I've walked out with Celtic shorts on. Oh, yeah. Like, I think I was a bull I think I was a bit in the business. And, yeah, I came up against the Norfolk champion at the time because nobody else could find you because of weight.
Speaker 2:My dad was like, he's got a fight. Put him in with anyone. So I was everything off his traffic. Got beat. Be fair as well.
Speaker 2:And my second fight with my first win was in Cleveland. That was the first win. So, yeah, so I could have easily called it a day after the first one. You know what mean? Because it was disheartening.
Speaker 2:I was I was deflated after that. I just thought, am I even that good at this? Know what I mean? But then
Nathan:you call it a day?
Speaker 2:Just because of the love I had for it. It wasn't so much am I good enough, it was more I liked doing that, I liked going to the gym, I liked punching the bag, I liked sparring, even at a little age, I loved the feeling of being in the Ballston gym. I I I soon got over the first loss and and carried on. You're quite addicted. Yeah.
Speaker 2:100%. Without a doubt.
Nathan:Yeah. What was the so you mentioned your dad took you to the gym. Was your dad was your was your dad the the main driving force in his relationship with doing it, or did your dad box as well?
Speaker 2:Or is that something I about? My dad I think he did a bit of judo when he was a kid, but nothing at a competition level. But, yeah, my mom and dad have always been the driving force. Always. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Like, as a as a as a very young kid, I they had me involved in everything. All the summer camps, like, after, like, with school holidays, everything like golf tennis, and it all came down to what I enjoyed doing. You know what I mean? So I I started playing football. I played football for Burnley at the School of Excellence.
Speaker 2:So Bart, do it right. It's just because everyone else was doing it. You know what I mean? Like, that's why that's why I enjoyed it because all my pals were doing it. There wasn't a lot of there.
Speaker 2:But I went to Bolson. Don't bother me, I went to my brother, and my brother was better than me. I'd say he like, bloody hell. He's just more like talented, this kid. But I picked up a love.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Bolson was a love way in. And that's and to be fair, my mom and dad just, like, supported me through it. You know what I mean? I was there was ups and downs in my career as everyone knows.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? But I had the right people around me at the time. Yeah.
Nathan:You retired in what? 2018?
Speaker 2:My last fate was 2018. Yeah.
Nathan:You were young, like, to retire. You were at 30?
Speaker 2:I was, yeah, 29. Yeah. 20.
Nathan:That feels young for a boxer. I mean, I can say that because I'm not I've I've not taken, you know, 300 punches to the head
Speaker 2:in No. It's like something. Involvesion's a very it's a very short career, Bolshev. My last favorite record was at at twenty ninth. And, yeah, it's quite young, but it's a short career.
Speaker 2:It's a very short career of boxing. I started when I was seven. So it's just goes to show. Like, obviously, it's I've always said that, like, when the covers have time in boxing, and a lot of boxers ignore it. And I really ignored it.
Speaker 2:Like, for me and if you watch the Wookiee Balls fight, I can't even my my walkout tree was one more time. People don't really call according to that, but I had a feeling, like, you know what I mean? So I've came out to that that for one more time. I just thought Why did you do that? Because I thought it could be my last this could be my last dance.
Speaker 2:Like, this could be me. And it wasn't a negative thought because because I'd like I'd I was I knew what I'd tune in. We're gonna celebrate one more time, and that's what I thought. Like, you know what mean? I was quite happy tying the gloves up, but I knew my time was up.
Speaker 2:I knew my time was up. You know what mean? I'd I'd I'd I'd had to over a 100 fights. I've I've I've been fighting all my life, basically. The miles are definitely on the clock, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:That's why I came out to that shoot. I trained majestically for that fight but that fight was meant to be Joe Cardino for the Commonwealth title. It was one week's notice I came up against Ricky Burns. So tactically I wasn't ready, but there was no excuse. He caught me with a beautiful shot and that was that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2:Just like my mom my mom always said to me, like, from from an early really early, it was when I first started ball, said, first the first time you lose, please retire. That's what she said to me. Obviously, I've lost many fights, so the first time I touch the canvas, I'll call it a day. That's what happened. First time I've ever pulled my cut my ass.
Speaker 2:I called her Yeah. Called her there.
Nathan:Can could you imagine having a I mean, I know you've got a you've got a daughter, right, Darcy? I presume that you won't want Darcy to go into into boxing. Maybe you do. I don't know. But could you imagine having a son and watching them from the side of the ring?
Nathan:Imagine, like, what your mom and dad felt when you're in the ring.
Speaker 2:Oh, well, that's I to be fair, I I I'm quite lucky to be able to watch some of my face back. Lot were on Sky Sports at the time, and and I see it all the time. I see my mom. My dad my dad gets fired up. He's He's in there with me, basically.
Speaker 2:You know I mean? But there was always my mom sat next to my dad and my wife. She was my wife, I would say, my girlfriend. And they were just still. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:My mother never made made, like, moved her wrench. She was just, like, frozen. You know what I mean? And my girlfriend, I'd say, she she was the same pretty much. So, yeah, it must be hard.
Nathan:What about your dad? What's he saying in the build up? He's saying he's fired up. Oh. Glad's weeding in his legs.
Speaker 2:He's he's full on, mate. Yeah.
Nathan:Is he?
Speaker 2:Yeah. He's he's he's full on when it comes to he's just a he's a he's a passionate man. He's feisty. He loves he'll he just loves that kind of that aggravation. He loves to get stuck in.
Speaker 2:So
Nathan:So he had a different
Speaker 2:mentality going into it. He was really to feel comfortable. He could jump in the ring and do it for me, he would
Nathan:What what's the This this must be hard. Right? And I've read about this with, I think, Gary Neville said it when he finished playing football. Going from that professional environment, being coached, and knowing what you're doing every day from seven to then retiring
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Nathan:And going, like, what do I do next? Because I know I know when you finish, you said you wanted to get your own gym and inspire kids in the future.
Speaker 2:So you're the same path,
Nathan:and that that's the way you're doing it. Right? So if you look back seven, eight years, you're doing it now.
Speaker 2:Of course. Of course.
Nathan:What what how difficult was it, that transition from kinda being Scotty Cardle, this, you know, real elite level boxer to Scotty Cardle who's training in the gym there? That's what it is.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Of of of course. So it's it's it's as simple as that. And, obviously, I would say it lasted probably two years after retiring. I was in a deep hole.
Speaker 2:I was in a dark hole. I trained, obviously, to, like, I trained people, I tried to keep busy but I always went back to my house and just locked myself away, you know what mean? Always go back to, I think it was an evening, I was it was just me and my my girlfriend on the tape. And I just remember I was whispering. I was but I I didn't think I was whispering.
Speaker 2:I was I thought I was just chatting away to her, and I thought she was listening. But I could I could hardly hear hear myself. Like, I was like, I was a shit like, I was in a shell. You know what mean? I was just, like, I was chatting away, and she couldn't even hear me.
Speaker 2:Like, I was I couldn't even get my words out. You know what mean? I was so I was so headed. Like, I I wanted to just, like, walk myself away forever. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:And that lasted maybe eighteen months to two years. I didn't I didn't wanna see my pals. I didn't wanna see my family. My my girlfriend was the only person I was I was comfortable being with or anything. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:And and she she she went through hell with it too. You know what mean? Because she had to support me through it as well. Was it was bloody hard. So it's
Nathan:Were you depressed at that point? You were feeling depressed.
Speaker 2:Badly. Badly. And then the turning point for me was so I can't remember if it was if it was Carly, my my wife, or my father. They said, like, you're slower than your words. And when when I did talk, I was slurring my words a little bit.
Speaker 2:And I was quite I didn't know what it It was quite clear that I was. So I have to go to a neurological doctor and get all the tests, all the all the brain scans and all that, and they they put it down to the depression line. And that for me was the kick up the ass. I needed, like, what are you up to?
Nathan:Like So this wasn't No.
Speaker 2:No. No. No. Well, that that's what I mean. Like, I've only I've only been flattered once Yeah.
Speaker 2:In my whole career. Don't get me wrong. I've taken a few shots, I've I I could take a shot. I was lucky to be able to take a shot, but I would never have thought that I'd take a shot of any. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2:I was always very good. I was always very agile. My defense was always good. As for my my reactions from my defense, I got a bit of abuse for that defense. Was rubbish at that, but I was always good with my reactions.
Speaker 2:And, yeah, so the daughter, as I said, listened. Yeah. I was stressed. Stressed or depressed. And I would say it twigged straight away.
Speaker 2:I was I was clearly depressed. And that for me, that was a kick up the ass. I stopped, like, gaze out. I gaze out back on track. And I did.
Speaker 2:Soon after, I was told that day I started living my life differently, started being more sociable, even though it was uncomfortable, I'd I went into uncomfortable situations just to get over it, and I should go over it. Like, you know?
Nathan:So Darcy, at this point, isn't born. So you're, what, a couple of years out of boxing. Yeah. You've been to the doctor. They basically told you you're you're depressed.
Nathan:Right?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. Well, that was that. And I obviously it just made me think, like, obviously, it's tend to tend to get out of that depression. I know it's not easy.
Speaker 2:It's it's a very hard thing to get out of, and I was lucky to have the right people around me to help me, to support me through it. I'll be honest, having boxed having boxed was a massive thing for me too, like, obviously. Because whenever I did feel down, I was hit a bag, and that wasn't to get frustration out. That was just to clear my head. It helped so much.
Speaker 2:You know mean? It did so much for me. And so I got into a bit of a routine then. The routine was obviously meeting friends for coffees, going to the gym, just being more active and more sociable. And yeah, I shouldn't I shouldn't start to have that.
Speaker 2:But don't give it all, like, depressors are it's an illness. It is an illness. I have experienced that. I know it's not easy to get out of, but listen, it's a mentality. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:Having the right mentality each day will help it. And that's what I did is I should go over it because of that.
Nathan:When was there there you go. Yeah. Yeah. Go, girl. Yeah?
Nathan:When was Darcy going, Skyke?
Speaker 2:Darcy was born in 2020 in the peak lockdown in May May 2020, May 2. Yeah. And a tough time again, a very tough time. Obviously, we had no help with dancing at our first well, our first and only. But we had no help, which were it was all very new to us, know what I mean?
Speaker 2:But we didn't have any midwives coming out and then checking on us. We didn't have like, everything was on face then. So it it was, yeah, it was hard, man. It was very hard. And, obviously, my wife, at the time, she she struggled with postnatal depression.
Speaker 2:So all of a sudden, I had to deal with that.
Nathan:So you just come out of depression?
Speaker 2:I just come out of depression.
Nathan:You just had a general lockdown?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's how she was in a bad way. She was I I remember, like, early on, like, maybe the first month, first couple months of having having Darcy, like, she would be leaving when they hold her.
Speaker 2:Like, she she was so it was a protective thing, which is always a good thing to have, but it was also the depression setting. Was so it was hard to explain it, she was, like, so protective. She was going mad with it. Like, she was going quite she was going mad with it, to be fair. And
Nathan:Wholesale depression's a horrible thing, isn't it?
Speaker 2:We were talking about
Nathan:this with men. You know? And twenty five percent of men are diagnosed with it as well.
Speaker 2:Right. Well, I don't know. It makes sense, though. It does make sense. I think it's got a lot to do with, like, brushing off.
Speaker 2:Yeah. You know I mean? Like, because and if at the end of day, like, especially what what we went through was in lockdown, it was you and whoever you're with. You know what mean? So nothing else.
Speaker 2:That that's that's your life, though. That's your your life for the foreseeable. So it it was tough. And, obviously, when the time was right and when Carly needed the time off, I just buggered off. I went for walks and walked miles and miles with dancing, know what I mean?
Speaker 2:And that's in a way for me, that that grew the bond between me and Darcy. You what mean? He and Darcy are a different class, and I I feel like it all comes down to the early days where where I I shared those times there. You know what I mean?
Nathan:When we first started speaking, you were you were traveling Yeah. With family. Yeah. And I was I was looking at your your stuff on on Instagram. Was like, this guy's this guy's got it right.
Nathan:He's finished his crow boxing career. He's 30 what, three or 34 or something. 34. Wouldn't think. Young family traveling around Asia.
Nathan:Yeah. Boxing pro lap pro training.
Speaker 2:You're doing awesome. Yeah. Of course. Well, that's what I'm saying. Like, obviously, it was we had just sold our house, so so I I didn't I personally didn't want to sell the house.
Speaker 2:We were in a beautiful, beautiful street in the middle of eleven, and Carly's idea was to sell the house to go traveling, I listened. I thought, let's do it. You know what mean? He loved ones.
Nathan:So why didn't you?
Speaker 2:What was your apprehension? As well so I bought a house when I was when I was British champion. It was a house that I was very proud of buying because my mom cleaned the house next door when I was a kid. I used to go all the time when I was a kid. She was one of the cleaners for for this family.
Speaker 2:And I used to go all the time. I used to always think to myself when I was a kid, I wanna buy a house over the street. When I we're talking about I may have been five or six, maybe even younger.
Nathan:Captured your attention.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. So buying a house on the last few was a massive deal for me. Massive deal. So to to leave that behind and all the same, it was it was our family hall.
Speaker 2:We had Darcy in that hall, and it was so many, like, special memories held in that in that house. It was a it was there was it was a it was a hard one for me to accept, but I accept it a lot. And listen, you you regret a lot. And I've I've made a few regrets over the past few years. As as what I was obviously I've I've also, from from them regrets, I've I've paid Thompson great memories, so he can't regret it fully.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? I've had some great times off the back of that, so I'm happy as well. I've got
Nathan:You've had a completely different shift of career, though. Right? Are you still in Thompson? You're still training, but totally different animal, wasn't it, than you looked?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. Like, obviously, like, leaving boxing, I had to and dealing with the depression, dealing with leaving vaulting was hard, half or two years, maybe even more than two years dealing with that. But obviously, having the opportunities to do stuff that we did.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Even though aye, it did go against us, being off the property ladder and little things like that. But listen, aye, I've always been the type that, like, tomorrow's never promised. Tomorrow's never promised for anyone, and it could all end in the second. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So live your life for now. And that's that's what I I like to live like that now, to be fair.
Nathan:Did traveling cause more friction for you, do you think, as a family? Because it was because the dynamic is very different when you're homeschooling.
Speaker 2:I I think well, we won't homeschool in Asia. We were actually world school, and it was like a program. Boundless life is called, and it was amazing, obviously. I wouldn't say it was the most academic type of teaching, but it was experiences. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:There's so many experiences. Like, the classroom was basically on the beach. They're, like, going to see the turtles, and they were just doing they all went into the jungle to see the orangutans in Borneo. It was a different classroom. I mean, there was My little girl's got that now.
Speaker 2:She's got the experiences, which I don't regret. Coming back for me is something I never wanted to do. I wanted to stay there, to be fair. I wanted that to be my home. Alright.
Speaker 2:But Carly got a bit homesick. We came back, and that's I I would say that's when the friction started because we did decide to hold school. And I'm not a teacher. She's definitely not a teacher. And yeah, we we weren't cut out for that.
Speaker 2:And we also had to walk as well, so it was jog with wild jog with. Anyway, it was it was again, I wasn't proud to go. And that's yeah. I'll say, no. I've got no.
Speaker 2:I'm separated from my wife.
Nathan:Very personal stuff. Right? So when you think about the friction and feel free
Speaker 2:to answer.
Nathan:But when you talk
Speaker 2:well, like I said before, nothing's off the table. I always say it's now I've actually separated from my wife, and I feel like like, these are all little things that have led up to the point, you know what mean? Obviously, we we didn't get a time together anymore. Like, we we were we were fully parents of we won we won a partnership. We were just we were co parents for my father.
Speaker 2:Would you have
Nathan:done anything different when you look back now?
Speaker 2:I would have done everything different. I'd personally, I would have. And to be fair, I'm quite happy that we I'm I'm happy that we did it the way we did. But to Kim and my family, I would have done a little different. Even though I'd we wouldn't have had the experience of being in Asia for seven months.
Speaker 2:We we wouldn't have done certain things. We wouldn't have experienced so much in those seven months, but I feel like we would have still had the family that I have now.
Nathan:And you know what? For me, like, doing this stuff as well, it's a lot of the times, there'll be dads all over the country Yeah. Who are in this position now.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah.
Nathan:Of course. Who are like Well, that's
Speaker 2:what I'm saying.
Nathan:What would you know, your your view is you would have done it differently, you would have done more to keep the family together.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So I I would have put a stop to a lot of things. I would have put a stop to a lot of things, but I I was I was a yes man for so many years. And it wasn't a bad thing, but I was a yes man. I agreed to so much that I didn't agree in, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2:I I just I said yes to a lot of things I didn't think would be a good outcome. And even though the short short outcomes were good, I knew in time it would fall apart of the debt.
Nathan:Do you think that's because you were you've been trained all you like, or you don't really need to make and you do need to make decisions clearly, but you're being told what to do. Do you think that's the case of just looking for a guidance as well in personal long story? Is that not is that not how
Speaker 2:you're I don't think so. No. I think I obviously I I've I've never been the same to I've always been a one man. I've always been, like, I've never had a girlfriend. My my my first girlfriend was my wife.
Speaker 2:I mean, so I've always been my old man, and and I've just thought of of it like I've just I've always I've always tried to keep people happy all my life. I've always tried to keep people happy. And and I loved I loved college so much. You know what mean? So I just thought, yeah.
Speaker 2:I'll do it. Whatever makes you happy, I'll do it. You know what I mean? And that's that's basically what I did. And, yeah, listen.
Speaker 2:It's we we've got the memories now. Even though even though we're not together, we've still got the memories that will live with us forever. You know what mean? So and the the good thing is my my old girls got those memories too. You know what mean?
Nathan:What do you think which season do you think? You've been through the boxing season. You've been through the retirement season. You've been through the whole you know, the family challenges of breaking up, having a door, the co parenting. Yeah.
Nathan:Which bit has been the most challenging for you?
Speaker 2:That one, the co parenting. Why? Because it was it's a time that I've never so all my life was from a very early age, and it's weird to say this, but I've never been scared of anything. The only fear that I've ever had, which is very weird even when I didn't have a girlfriend, was divorce all my life, which is weird. It's very it's a strange fear.
Speaker 2:That's been my only fear as a kid. From a kid onwards was divorce, and I'm not divorced yet. We we haven't got into that chat yet. We've been broken. We've we've been separated for eight, nearly well, coming up to ten months, I would say.
Speaker 2:And it's we've all had that chat. Yeah. But that has always been my fear. So, like, it's listen. I'm I'm not a hard man.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? Like, when I say I'm not scared of anything, I'm not, but I'm not a hard man. I see things in strange. You know what mean? I I just I just deal with with things when they when they they come.
Speaker 2:But, yeah, like, I know divorces, I know separation is not divorced, yeah, but, yeah, this has been the most challenging time of my life, 100%. And it's not so much because it's co parenting, because the times I have with my daughter now are better than they've ever been before because of just me and her. You know I mean? So I I get my I get our time together, which is incredible. You know what mean?
Speaker 2:And I make sure everything I have with her is special to her. You know what mean? Like, a couple of months ago, like, I told her, like, we'll go to I have to go to the dentist. So we jumped on the train. Like, why are we getting this train for the dentist?
Speaker 2:I have to go to Manchester for this test. I've got bad teeth, and we ended up at the airport. I said, we did in this airport? And she's looking around, I've got these mini mini mouse ears on. I said, what what's going on there?
Speaker 2:She's looking up at something. What have we got there all for? I was like, we're going to Disneyland. Uh-huh. And just little things like that.
Speaker 2:I thought, wow. And I'll be like, the the fact that I could do that with just us turning around is special. I don't even know who it would be. For me, it would be more special to have it with her with my wife. But listen.
Speaker 2:Like, one thing she said when when we called her days, people change, and I believe that now. You know what mean? Like, I I don't feel like I have, but people change sometimes for the best, sometimes there's a lot, and sometimes you just grow out of there. You know what I mean? So yeah.
Speaker 2:It's it's tough to deal with, and that's been the most challenging for a lot of time.
Nathan:The there's gonna be dads listening to this who are going through this process of figuring out co parenting because that must be brutal. Right? And when when you when the first realization hits, so you're going, right. We're gonna split up, and you go, what's gonna happen with the kids? It's just
Speaker 2:Well, well, well, it is because a lot of dads don't get privileges, like, having time with the the the daughters of maybe maybe some type of partner with, like, assistance or whatever else they're happening with. I think, is is hell.
Nathan:But you two have got together and dealt with this Yeah. Well really mature.
Speaker 2:We felt we didn't we didn't out fast. I just wanted to fuck all. I wanted to leave. So I ended up picking up a job from an old friend in Yorkshire, building military vehicles, something I've never done before, which I love. I actually love doing, but I've missed my old girl so much.
Speaker 2:I was missing I was in the ocean Monday to Friday, picked her up from school on Friday, and I had a Friday, Saturday, and back with a mom on. So then it wasn't enough. But recently, me and my wife have decided to go fifty fifty. We're both self employed. It makes sense.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? Obviously, we're gonna help each other with with work as well as with parenting. So, yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm over the moon that I I get. I get three nights one week, four nights the other. I can't ask for her anymore.
Nathan:Scotty, when your daughter looks back at kind of this chapter of life, and she's still very young. Right? So but I'm I mean, I say very young. Do you remember the the house when you were five or six going
Speaker 2:to see it?
Nathan:You you got there. Like, you manifested that to Yeah. Yeah. That to reality, I guess. But when your daughter looks back at this chapter of life today, what do you hope she understands about you and the challenges that that you face as a as a dad coming out at other side of boxing and into kind of fatherhood?
Speaker 2:I just I'll be honest. I when when I chat with Darcy on a level, like, she she'll sometimes ask questions about me and me and her mom, and I'm such an open book. As you as as you've experienced now, I'm such an open book, and I'll tell her I'll never tell her, like, the hard times that we've just shared, but, like, because me and Carly have had the best lives. I mean, we've had, like, we got married in Vegas. Like, spontaneously, like, we didn't plan it.
Speaker 2:We just we just said, I'm gorillas today. You know what I mean? So I've, like, little things like that. Like, I always tell a lot of story little stories about me and my mom that is dead. She she always know how much I've loved her mother, how much I love her.
Speaker 2:I mean, feel like that's something that she'll never forget. Feel like I wouldn't say I've pushed her. I'm pushing the fact that I love her. I think she knows how deep how deeply I love I love her and I love her family. Even though it made me and her mom and I are together anymore, she knows that.
Speaker 2:And she'll always ask, do you still love mom? And I say, yeah. I do still love mom. Because at the end of the day, she she made her. Why wouldn't I love someone that made her?
Speaker 2:You know what I mean? So yeah. So she knows that, and I'm I'm glad she knows that. Cause I'm not I'm not that kind of guy. Like, I've I was brought up the right way.
Speaker 2:You know what mean? Like, once you love someone for me, you'll always love them. So that's what I've always felt.