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What if the key to changing your life isn't becoming someone new, but finally understanding who you've been all along?
In this episode of The Work of Warriors, Kim Rapach sits down with coach, spiritual mentor, and podcast host Danielle McCleerey to explore why self-awareness is the foundation for healing, leadership, creativity, and sustainable success.
Together, they dive into Human Design, astrology, the Enneagram, nervous system healing, somatic practices, neurolinguistic programming, and the role each plays in helping us break free from old conditioning. Danielle shares how understanding your unique design can help you navigate life's challenges with greater confidence, clarity, and authenticity.
In this conversation, you'll discover why so many high achievers stay stuck despite external success, how unresolved programming shapes the way we lead and create, why healing is essential for anyone guiding others, and how knowing yourself changes everything.
Whether you're an artist, entrepreneur, leader, or someone committed to personal growth, this episode offers practical wisdom for building a life that's aligned with who you truly are.
The Work of Warriors is the podcast where artists, creatives, entrepreneurs, and high performers learn how to succeed without sacrificing their mental wellness.
Because success shouldn't cost you your peace.
Creators and Guests
Guest
Danielle McCleerey
Danielle works with high-performing individuals who are ready to move beyond self-awareness and create lasting transformation. Her approach blends Astrology, Human Design, shadow work, and nervous system regulation to help clients make aligned decisions, break long-standing patterns, and build the capacity to navigate greater success, visibility, and fulfillment. Through this integrative framework, she helps people uncover what may be holding them back, develop practical tools for sustainable growth, and step more fully into the life and leadership they desire.
What is The Work of Warriors?
Success shouldn't cost you your peace.
Welcome to The Work of Warriors, the mental health podcast for artists, entertainers, creatives, entrepreneurs, and high performers who want to build extraordinary lives without sacrificing themselves in the process.
Hosted by former therapist and nervous system strategist Kim Rapach, this podcast explores the intersection of mental health, nervous system regulation, creativity, leadership, and sustainable success. Through honest conversations with actors, musicians, comedians, producers, executives, entrepreneurs, and other industry leaders, you'll discover what it really takes to thrive both personally and professionally.
Together, we're changing the conversation around mental wellness in the entertainment industry by:
• Normalizing honest conversations about mental health
• Teaching practical tools for nervous system regulation and emotional resilience
• Redefining success to include well-being, healthy boundaries, and authentic leadership
Whether you're navigating burnout, anxiety, creative pressure, trauma, or simply searching for a healthier way to succeed, you'll find practical insights, inspiring stories, and meaningful conversations designed to help you build a life you don't have to recover from.
Because when artists are well, everybody wins.
Thank you for being part of this movement. Together, we're creating a healthier entertainment industry, one brave conversation at a time.
Kim Rapach (00:46.498)
Hey, Warriors, welcome back. Welcome back to the work of Warriors. Hey, Warriors, welcome back. You know, a good coach has a good coach and I've had several coaches. A couple of the coaches I've had, I've actually felt burned by and it built this skepticism within me about other coaches. And so when I found Danielle McCleary, I was skeptical at first. I started listening to her podcast and
following her on social media and everything she talked about was full of gold, right? It was so good. was, but a lot of coaches do that. They have a lot of good content, but what really, but what really stood out about Danielle is that she talked about being successful and also being like, and also struggling with her mental health. And so
I was immediately drawn to her once that once I learned that part of her story, right? Like success alone is not the answer. It has to come from within. And so I am so excited that today I got to sit with my coach, Daniel McCleary, host of the daily host of the Daniel on the daily podcast. And she is a CEO. She is a coach.
She is a speaker and I think more than anything, she is a healer. We dive into human design, astrology, the enneagram, the entertainment industry, and what it means and what it looks like for some of us, what it looks like to have a dark night of the soul to the necessity of duality and the importance of community.
It was so fun. It was such a good conversation and I'm so glad you're here for it. So let's dive in.
Kim Rapach (03:01.464)
So here's the conversation with Danielle McCleary. know you're gonna love it. Make sure you follow her if you don't already. And if you don't already, make sure you follow her. You're gonna wanna learn from her.
Danielle Mccleerey (00:00.268)
not live yet. I don't know if you can hear me.
Kim Rapach (00:01.412)
Oh, okay. You can hear me. I can't hear you. Hold on. Forgetting my mic.
Danielle Mccleerey (00:05.358)
okay. You can hear me. I can't hear you. Hold on. We're getting my mic set up.
Danielle Mccleerey (00:29.998)
No, that's not going to read.
Danielle Mccleerey (00:56.984)
You're getting professional today, Kim.
Kim Rapach (00:57.724)
You're getting professional today, Can you hear me yet? They're just finding me a longer cord for my ears so I can hear you. Okay. me a couple minutes. No problem.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:03.31)
They're just finding me a longer cord for my ears so I can hear you. Give me a couple minutes.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:17.02)
no, you're good. Thank you.
Kim Rapach (01:17.173)
Thank you.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:20.622)
Okay.
Kim Rapach (01:20.937)
Okay.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:31.246)
I think that's a good height. There's enough space at the top.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:53.999)
All right, folks. Hello. Hi. I can hear you. Hi. You know, I was I always this is where I record. And so it makes it so easy because they're getting footage of me while I talk so we can make clips later. And it just like makes I don't know, it makes your production. It's like I already am here anyway, most of the for my own show, so I might as well record other people's here, too, you know.
Kim Rapach (01:54.261)
All right, Hello. Hi. Hello. I can hear you. Hi. Hi. You're so fancy.
You know, this is where I record, and so it makes it so easy because they're getting footage of me while I talk so we can make clips later. That just makes your production, I already am here anyway for my own show, so I might as well record other people's here too. Can get a bit of an echo back on you? I don't know if you've got speakers that you're able to dial in. Is that any better?
Danielle Mccleerey (02:21.644)
Kim, we're getting a bit of an echo back on you. I don't know if you've got speakers that you're able to dial in.
Kim Rapach (02:33.717)
Wait, I can't hear you now. I can hear you still. How's that? Is that any better? We test one, two, test two. Yeah, it's kind of coming in. Let me. Yeah, when I talk, I hear myself echoing. You sound great to me. I don't know if you've got maybe headphones that you could use.
Danielle Mccleerey (02:36.812)
I can hear you still.
Danielle Mccleerey (02:41.675)
If we test one, two, test two. Yeah, it's kind of coming in. I'm hearing, yeah, when I talk, I hear myself echoing.
Danielle Mccleerey (02:54.06)
Yeah, Kim. I don't know if you've got maybe headphones that you could use.
Danielle Mccleerey (03:07.35)
Or even Kim, if you just turn down your computer volume a lot, just so you can just hear me.
Kim Rapach (03:17.589)
How's that? Is that any better? Is that better? Why, oh that's you. Mine is on.
Danielle Mccleerey (03:19.668)
One, two, three, four, five. It's a little better. A little better. Kim, in Riverside, may see, if you click on people at the bottom right, you might have an echo cancellation button there that you could try turning on. yeah, right there. Well, that's ours. that's ours. See she's got one, too.
Danielle Mccleerey (03:44.814)
Testing one two hello. It is a lot better now. Yeah, it's better
Kim Rapach (03:50.876)
Okay, if I sit here are we still okay? Still sounds right. Me? mine?
Danielle Mccleerey (03:59.619)
You look great. I'm still hearing like my voice echoing a little bit in the background of your audio, but you know, luckily I don't, feel like Riverside might like, might do a good job of editing that out. Or will it not? You're like Danielle, you're wrong. Well, I think if we're hearing the echo now with the echo cancellation turned on, then that might be. How loud are your computer speakers, Kim?
Kim Rapach (04:33.209)
So I Mean I'm at like I think a quarter. Let's see if I can hear you now
Danielle Mccleerey (04:39.246)
Hello, hello, hello.
Kim Rapach (04:40.565)
I can still hear you just fine. Are we still having it? Let me keep going. How's that? Is that any better? Okay. So I can, I can, can you speak up? It's funny. All right. I turned it down a little more. Is that any better?
Danielle Mccleerey (04:43.182)
It's a little better.
Danielle Mccleerey (04:47.982)
Hello, hello. I barely hear myself now. I mean, like, it's so faint now.
as as you can hear me.
Danielle Mccleerey (05:00.524)
I can't, can you just yell? Would that be okay?
Danielle Mccleerey (05:06.446)
Please use all of this. I mean, yeah, I don't hear myself anymore.
Kim Rapach (05:12.061)
Okay, that works. I have this button. says this setting adjusts how loudly others hear you. So I'm gonna leave that alone because you've got your thing going on the other side. Okay, cool. Are ready to go? Hi. Welcome.
Danielle Mccleerey (05:14.222)
Volume good for you, Danielle? Yeah, everything sounds good.
Danielle Mccleerey (05:25.868)
Yeah, can hear you fine.
Danielle Mccleerey (05:32.406)
Yeah, I'm ready. Hi, I hope you use that part. Like of us being like, can you hear me? Can I see you? You sound great. I look great. I hope you use that in a clip.
Kim Rapach (05:39.637)
Okay, I just look amazing this is fantastic my gosh, thank you for being here welcome to the work of warriors It really is I'm gonna move where I can see you, okay, there we go
Danielle Mccleerey (05:51.438)
Bye.
Danielle Mccleerey (05:57.327)
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you. I feel like this is so full circle.
Danielle Mccleerey (06:07.116)
you got all your new branding and everything. I feel like I've had this like backstage pass to this show for the last few months and so it's nice to be in front of the camera.
Kim Rapach (06:09.237)
Well, I mean I have so much to thank you for you haven't even seen you've only seen a few pieces So and this podcast studio being one of them
Danielle Mccleerey (06:25.806)
I know, I'm so excited to see all of it.
Danielle Mccleerey (06:30.967)
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Kim Rapach (06:32.883)
I remember looking and going, don't know, I think I went too far with the purple. And then your next podcast, there was purple and I'm like, yes, thank God. yeah, and we changed those lives. Like they can here, they can change their lives. I normally record in the other studio, but when we first started recording the show, I was recording in this studio. So it's like, it feels like coming home again. But yeah, I mean, I love the background, I love the wood.
Danielle Mccleerey (06:36.736)
No you didn't.
Danielle Mccleerey (06:41.788)
yeah, yeah, and we changed those lights. Like they can, here they can change the lights. I normally record in the other studio, but when we first started recording the show, I was recording in this studio. So it's like, it feels like coming home again. But yeah, I mean, I love the background. I love the wood. Yeah, this is exciting.
Kim Rapach (06:59.989)
Thanks. Yeah, my son did that. Oh, my son and my husband. It was funny when Mike popped on because my husband's name is Mike and he's like, oh, I'm just popping onto, and I was like, bro, we never talked about this. What are you like my husband? I was like, what are doing? I was like, oh, it's a different Mike. Okay. He's a safe Mike. It's fine. He's supposed to be here. Yeah. Well, mine's a good Mike too, but he's never popped on a podcast before.
Danielle Mccleerey (07:03.31)
Looks great.
Danielle Mccleerey (07:15.79)
You're like, okay, Mike.
This is a good mic.
Danielle Mccleerey (07:27.882)
Right, right. If that would be funny if he just like popped in, just trying to say, Hey.
Kim Rapach (07:30.069)
Yeah, just want to play producer today. How are you guys? So again, thank you for being here. I know that you are a master of honoring your time and your energy. So the fact that you said yes just it means the world to me. So thank you.
Danielle Mccleerey (07:33.824)
Yeah. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (07:50.627)
I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else. I actually said no to a lot of podcasts this year so far, I'm very happy to be here with you.
Kim Rapach (07:54.741)
Well, thank you. Thank you. You know, Danielle, I've worked with a lot of coaches and I follow a lot of coaches. I've worked with a couple of coaches that I got burned by and I know you know that.
Danielle Mccleerey (08:08.974)
Mm.
Same.
Kim Rapach (08:11.771)
that lane, you know, you've seen it. And so, you know, it takes a minute for me to trust people. And, you know, I think back like, how did I, how did I find Danielle? What happened? And it was really when you were talking about nervous system, healing, somatic healing, doing your work, because there are so many coaches who are teaching mindset coaching and teaching, you know, business and all these things without even touching on the fact
that we all have, you know, we'll get into, you know, whether it's human design, any of grant, but a nervous system and a story and a backstory and tapes that are running that they're not addressing, and at least not on a somatic level. And so it really drew me to you, drew my energy to your energy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a, this is like a pretty common conversation. I think that, I think entrepreneurship is a.
Danielle Mccleerey (08:48.728)
Yeah. Yeah.
Well, I'm so glad. Yeah, this is like a pretty common conversation. I think entrepreneurship, it attracts a lot of people who are either like firstborn daughters, overachievers, people that kind of don't want to take no for an answer, don't want to be told what to do. And in a lot of ways, it works for us like firstborn daughters.
Kim Rapach (09:06.813)
It attracts a lot of people who are either like first born daughters, overachievers, people that kind of don't want to take no for an answer, don't want to be told what to do. And in a lot of ways, works for us like first born daughters. It works for us like overachievers. It works for those of us with abandonment wounds and weariness wounds because we don't need to rely on anyone else. We can just do it ourselves. And you bring yourself with you everywhere you go. And so I think a trend I've noticed a lot
Danielle Mccleerey (09:20.746)
It works for us, like overachievers. works for those of us with abandonment wounds and worthiness wounds because we can, we don't need to rely on anyone else. We can just do it ourselves. and you bring yourself with you everywhere you go. And so I think a trend I've noticed a lot, especially in the coaching industry to your point is that a lot of people come with their stuff and they haven't released a lot of their wounds. And if you don't heal it, then.
Kim Rapach (09:37.079)
especially in the coaching industry to your point is that a lot of people come with their stuff and they haven't released a lot of their wounds and if you don't heal it then you just project that onto the clients and onto your business and it's something that I probably did in the beginning too and now that I'm like aware of it and now that I teach nervous system regulation I'm like my gosh yeah that's
Danielle Mccleerey (09:49.549)
you just project that onto clients and onto your business. And it's something that I probably did in the beginning too. And now that I'm like aware of it and now that I teach nervous system regulation, I'm like, my gosh, yeah, that's, this is what I think it's, like all these, know, there's a lot of chatter on the internet about like what should be required of the coaching industry. I'm like the number one thing that should be required of coaches is
Kim Rapach (10:06.837)
This is what I think it's like, I'll lose, you know, there's a lot of chatter on the internet about like what should be required of the coaching industry. And like the number one thing that should be required of coaches is their own healing and nervous system regulation. You shouldn't even be allowed to touch coaching until you understand your design of astrology and haven't regulated your own nervous system. So I hear you.
Danielle Mccleerey (10:16.13)
their own healing and nervous system regulation. Like you shouldn't even be allowed to touch coaching until you understand human design and astrology and haven't regulated your own nervous system. So I hear you and I don't think you're alone in that you've been burned in the past. I'm also very happy to hear that that was not your experience with me.
Kim Rapach (10:30.653)
I don't think you're alone in that you've been burned in the past. I'm also very happy to hear that. That was not your experience with me. my gosh, no, I have grown more, I think in the last six months than I ever have. I had one other coach who did like integrative healing work, which was all when I was introduced to the nervous system. Surprise, surprise. I mean, that's where I had a ton of growth and then this last six months. yeah, well, this is a big, and it's a big,
Danielle Mccleerey (10:50.745)
yeah, cool.
Danielle Mccleerey (10:56.088)
Yeah, well, this is a big, and it's a big time for you too, because I know we're both Scorpio rising. So we're kind of entering into this Pisces energy from the same house and just the work you do and the industry you're in. I feel like you're about to blow up in so many ways.
Kim Rapach (11:14.208)
Well, I'm excited, you know.
So many, mean, if not all of my clients, right, who have had any number or any level of success. And then we dive into the nervous system and most of them are like, what is that? Right. And so we have people who are wildly successful.
who are just burning and grinding and burning and grinding. And then they're in a system that says, burn harder, grind harder, sleep less. Yeah. then you've got coaches who we just talked about who aren't regulated, who have all the answers, and they just see the cycle happening. And I see your work, and mine, but what's like stake in the ground. Like, nope, we stop here.
Danielle Mccleerey (11:43.308)
You're rewarded for it. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (11:58.873)
Yep. No, we're not playing that game anymore. Yeah, I mean, think it's it's coaches, it's directors, it's writers, it's producers, it's everyone who has not, anybody in a leadership role who has not regulated their own nervous system is for sure gonna project that wounding, because you come with your wounding. So you're gonna come with that wounding into any work you do. And on and on the cycle goes until you have people who come along who are like, mm.
Kim Rapach (12:01.523)
Yeah.
cycle goes until you have people who come along who are like, I think we're Yeah. Yeah. you had a post about a week or so ago where you're like, I can handle all sorts of things. But the one thing I don't know is what to call myself.
Danielle Mccleerey (12:28.11)
I think we're done.
Yeah, yeah, I feel you.
Kim Rapach (12:45.501)
I'm sure the people in my world too, they hear your name a lot. They're like, what does she do now? like.
Danielle Mccleerey (12:50.828)
It's the bane of my existence trying to like tell people what I do. Like, you know, I mean, you're a Scorpio rising, like transformation is just like my middle name. Like if you knew me six months ago, we probably didn't. Like I'm always going to evolve. And so this idea of Instagram and TikTok and like the internet being like, what do we call you? I'm like, I don't know. I'm Danielle. That's who I am. I think right now I, I think I've landed on, I'm a spiritual, I'm a professional in spiritual.
Kim Rapach (13:15.265)
I think right now I'm a professional and spiritual mentor for icons who are ready to be seen. That's what I'm into. Because of course that includes business, but it also includes other things.
Danielle Mccleerey (13:20.48)
mentor for icons who are ready to be seen. That's what I'm landing on because of course that includes business, but it also includes other things. I'm kind of bored with business coaching, just the industry in general. I'm bored with it because it's just kind of a lot of the same thing right now. That's usually when I go, okay, it's time to go.
Kim Rapach (13:33.493)
kind of bored with business. You can just be industry in general and bored with it because it's just kind of a lot of the same thing right now and that's usually when I go, okay. Time to go. Yeah, I hated your wisdom. was like, yeah, boring, boring, get out of here. Because it's always like the four step process, right? To a new life and- My four step, different framework for the people that just like, the only thing they can
Danielle Mccleerey (13:52.695)
I know, I...
The, my four step proven framework or the people that just like, the only thing they talk about is how much money they make. And it's like, I get why that works. And we're entering a new paradigm and I'm just, I've never been one to be behind a trend. I'm usually the one in front of it. And so I felt, I've started feeling this. Well, actually it's interesting. It's like when I attracted you into my business,
Kim Rapach (14:05.213)
I get why that works and we're entering a new paradigm and I've I've never been one to be behind.
Kim Rapach (14:15.509)
And so I felt I've started feeling this. Well, actually, it's interesting. It's like when I attracted you into my business, that was kind of one of the first moments I was like, hmm, art is coming back to the forefront.
Danielle Mccleerey (14:24.366)
That was kind of one of the first moments I was like, hmm, art is coming back to the forefront. Art is going to be what we keep talking about. And I think like my artistic and my creative and my playful side and how well versed I am in entertainment. Like I was an actress, I'm a professional dancer, I've been a choreographer, I have a master's in acting. that was very much my world for a very long time. I...
Kim Rapach (14:30.997)
is going to be what we keep talking about. And I think like my artistic and my creative and my playful side and how well versed I am in entertainment. I was an actress, I'm a professional dancer, I'm photographer, I have a masters in acting. Like I, that was very much my world for a very long time and I...
Danielle Mccleerey (14:54.658)
Like I've kind of was like, I'm gonna take a break from that for a little while. And now I'm like, no, but these are the people. There's so many, I mean, you know this, we speak the same language on this. We've had this conversation. There are so many talented people out there. And the reason they're not seen, the reason they're not famous isn't because they're not talented. It's because they have visibility wounds. It's because they have a fear of being seen. It's because they are coming with their programming and they lack nervous system regulation. So I just think with like,
Kim Rapach (14:55.021)
I kind of was like, I'm gonna keep a break from that for a while. And now I'm like, no, but these are the people, there's so many, you know this, we speak the same language on this, we've had this conversation, there's so many talented people out there. The reason they're not seen, the reason they're not famous, isn't because they're not talented, it's because they have visibility, it's because they have a fear of being seen, it's because they are coming with their programming and they lack nervous system regulation. So I just think with like,
Danielle Mccleerey (15:24.27)
this Pisces North Node energy that we're gonna be in for the next year and a half. It's time for the artists and the creatives and the musicians and the actors and the directors and the poets, but also the designers and also the spiritual people like us who can help that. I think it's time for all of us to come to the front.
Kim Rapach (15:24.855)
this Pisces North Node energy that we're gonna be in for the next year and a half, it's time for the artists and the creatives and the musicians and the actors and the directors and the poets, but also the designers and also the spiritual people like us who can help that. I think it's time for all of us to come to the front. And I'm already seeing the shift, are you? Oh, Yeah. Yeah, I see a ton of artists who are like, oh, I have a different voice.
Danielle Mccleerey (15:48.601)
same, same, same. Yeah, anybody who is like a, yeah, yeah, people are realizing their voice. Like people are like, I have something to say. I did a reading with a client last week who was a pretty famous musician, like in like 2016 to 2020, she was featured on a lot of really popular songs. And then she kind of went into her like dark night of the soul and then like decided to go off on her own and then like changed her name and.
Kim Rapach (15:54.805)
I have things to say.
pretty famous musician like in like 2016 to 2020. She was featured on a lot of really popular songs. And then she kind of went into her like dark night of the soul and then like decided to go off on her own and then like changed her name and all these things. And one of the things I said to her, was like, it's time for you. had a blood crisis in her chart, lot of sclerosis. And I was like, it's time for you to come back out. It's time for you to come back to the front. It's time for you to realize that like your uniqueness is not something to shut.
Danielle Mccleerey (16:17.134)
all these things and one of the things I said to her as I was like, it's time for you. had a lot of Pisces in her chart, a lot of Scorpio and I was like, it's time for you to come back out. It's time for you to come back to the front. It's time for you to realize that like your uniqueness is not something to shudder from. It's actually what makes you great and that's gonna be celebrated so much in the next few years. And I think for the next 20 years, I think even Aquarius, like the Pluto and Aquarius age that we're in,
Kim Rapach (16:34.807)
from is actually what makes you great and that's going to be celebrated so much in the next few years. And I think for the next 20 years, I think even Aquarius, like the Pluto and Aquarius age that we're in, like that also is going to usher in, because think about it, the last time Pluto was in Aquarius, like it was all the big revolutions. Back then it was like the industrial, the French, the American Revolution.
Danielle Mccleerey (16:46.318)
that also is going to usher in, because think about it, the last time Pluto was an Aquarius, it was all of the revolutions. Back then, it was the industrial, the French, the American Revolution. So more revolution is upon us. But what is at the forefront now? It's an artistic revolution. It's a tech revolution for sure. We're going to see new social media. We're going to see AI take off. We're going to see AI be integrated in such different ways.
Kim Rapach (16:58.463)
So more revolution is upon us. But like, what is at the forefront now? It's an artistic revolution. It's a tech revolution for sure. We're gonna see new social media. gonna see AI take off. We're gonna see AI be integrated in such different ways. And I just think anybody who is hiding their artistic and creative self right now needs to step to the front of the line because it's your turn. It's your turn.
Danielle Mccleerey (17:15.32)
And I just think anybody who is hiding their artistic and creative self right now needs to step to the front of the line because it's your turn. It's your turn.
Kim Rapach (17:28.728)
So talk about how you use human design because not everyone understands it's human design astrology neuro linguistics What's the wealth
Danielle Mccleerey (17:36.067)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do a lot. I use a lot of it. Well, okay, so the way I look at it is like, so I teach this in Break the Matrix. it's like my signature program. I used to have a bunch of signature programs. Now I pretty much have like one. And Break the Matrix is split into four pillars. And the whole point is the deconditioning process. So it's how you take everything that you're programmed with and...
Kim Rapach (17:41.257)
No.
Danielle Mccleerey (18:00.385)
unlearning all of it to actually be who you're meant to become. And so the way all these things work together in my world is you have the past, which is all of your programming, all of your conditioning, everything your mom told you, everything your dad told you, the relationship you had with that teacher, that one friend that, you know, said that thing to you in school that now makes you think that like you're not worthy of friends, all the bad relationships you've had, all of the job, you know, changes, everything that's programmed you into thinking that you are this person. That's the past.
Kim Rapach (18:11.191)
The relationship you have with that teacher, that one friend that said that thing to you in school that now makes you think that you're not worthy of friends. All the bad relationships you've had, all the job changes, everything that's programmed you into thinking that you are this person, that's the past. Then we move in, then the maps are things like astrology and human design.
Danielle Mccleerey (18:30.434)
then we move in, then the maps are things like astrology and human design.
numerology. know a little bit of numerology. would not say I'm an expert, but it is included. Meyer-Briggs, just like any of these things that you can use to really understand yourself better. just like bringing a map on a road trip, know, like neurolinguistics programming is in the past. It's how we take everything we're programming to like unlearn it and rewire it so that we can get back to being exactly who we came here to be, which we can discover through our map, which is
Kim Rapach (18:40.289)
I know a little bit of numerology. I would not say I'm an expert, but it is included. Just like any of these things that you can use to really understand yourself better. And just like bringing a map on a road trip, know, like neuro-linguistics programming is in the past. It's how we take everything with programming to like unlearn it and rewire it so that we can get back to being exactly who we came here to be, which we can discover through our map, which is human design and astrology.
Danielle Mccleerey (19:08.034)
human design and astrology. So the way I look at it is like if you and I were gonna go on a road trip together from like Austin, Texas to the coast, maybe North Carolina, we're gonna go to the beach. Along the way, there are obstacles, right? There's bridges, there's toll roads, there might be some weather, there may be some mountains we have to drive through, there may be like long stretches with no bathroom. Those things are gonna be there regardless if we look at a map or not. So it's like, do we wanna just wing it?
Kim Rapach (19:10.143)
way I look at it is like if you and I were going to go on a road trip together from here, from like Austin, Texas to the coast, like maybe the East, like North Carolina, we're going to go to the beach. Along the way, there are obstacles, right? There's bridges, there's toll roads, there might be some weather, may be some mountains we have to drive through, there may be like long stretches within the bathroom. Those things are going to be there regardless if we look at it or not. So it's like, do we want to just wing it and like hope for the best?
Danielle Mccleerey (19:37.123)
and like hope for the best, which a lot of people do. Or do we want to look at the map and be like, okay, so we need to make sure that we go pee here because for the next 30 minutes there's not going to be and then, there's a mountain, we have to go through the mountains and like, it's cold. So we're probably going to need to bring chains and like, as we get closer to the beach, there's actually a rainstorm predicted. So like, let's just be prepared for that. And like, that road's actually closed. So like, we're going to detour and we're going to go around.
Kim Rapach (19:39.975)
A lot of people do or we want to look at the map and be like, okay, so we need to make sure that we go pee here because for the next 30 minutes there's not going to be and then oh, there's a mountain range. We have to look at mountains and like it's cold. So we're probably going to need to bring chains and like, oh, as we get closer to the beach, there's actually a rainstorm predicted. So like, let's just be prepared for that. And like, oh, that road's actually closed. So like we're going to detour and we're going to go around. That is the same kind of information that you get by looking at your human sign in astrology. So it's literally like, oh,
Danielle Mccleerey (20:04.236)
That is the same kind of information that you get by looking at your human design and your astrology. So it's literally like, these are the things you came here to move through. These are your obstacles. It's like, can look at your astrology and I can go, okay, you have a Chiron here, you have a Lilith here, you have Saturn here, you have these aspects, right? Like your moon is opposite, your moon is opposite Venus. Okay, okay. So these are your obstacles. These are the things.
Kim Rapach (20:09.879)
These are the things you came here to move through these are your obstacles. It's like I can look at your astrology and I can go okay You have a chiron here. You have a lilac here. You have Saturn here You have these aspects right like your moon is opposite Your moon is opposite Venus. You're okay. Okay, so these are your obstacles These are the things that you need to be aware of also though like you have this placement and like you have a you have a Scorpio rising so like you're gonna be able to fit it really really easily you're gonna go through
Danielle Mccleerey (20:30.638)
that you need to be aware of. Also though, like you have this placement and like you have a Scorpio rising. So like you're gonna be able to pivot really, really easily. You're gonna go through a lot, but you're gonna be able to pivot really easily and it's actually gonna become pretty second nature to you. Same thing with like, I can look at your human design and I can go, okay, you have all these undefined centers. So you have a lot of pro, you have an undefined solar plexus. So like you have a lot of programming in terms of like taking on other people's energy, you kind of absorb it. And so you came here to learn
Kim Rapach (20:39.799)
a lot, but you're going be able to pivot really easily. It's actually going to become pretty second nature to you. Same thing with like, I can look at your human design and go, okay, you have all these undefined centers, have lot of programs, undefined solar plexes. So like you have a lot of programming in terms of like taking on other people's energy, kind of absorb it. And so you came here to learn to detach from other people's energy. Doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. It's like, it's like if you and I were going go on a road trip and we go, oh, there's a mountain we have to drive through.
Danielle Mccleerey (20:59.288)
to detach from other people's energy. It doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. And it's like, you and I were gonna go on a road trip and we go, there's a mountain we have to drive through, guess we can't go. Like, no, we would never do that. So it's the same thing. And we look at your human design, like, you have an undefined solar plexus. It doesn't mean that you are gonna absorb everyone else's energy forever. It just means that is what you came here, whenever your soul decided to come into this version of the video game.
Kim Rapach (21:09.719)
can't go. Like no, we would never do that. So same thing, we look at your design like oh you have an undefined blood, it doesn't mean that you are going to absorb everyone else's energy forever, it just means that is what you came here, whenever your soul decided to come into this version of the video game, your soul said I'm going to come in and I'm going learn all of these things. So then you have, so that's your map, it shows you how to get back to exactly who you came here to be, which you now know because you unlearned it through your linguistics programming.
Danielle Mccleerey (21:26.466)
Your soul said, I'm gonna come in and I'm gonna learn all of these things. So then you have, so that's your map. It shows you how to get back to exactly who you came here to be, which you now know because you've unlearned it through neurolinguistics programming. Then you need a vehicle to get there. So we have our map, we have the road, but we need a vehicle to get there. We have to actually move. And the way that we do that is through somatic work. So that's where your breath work, your meditation, your journaling, your shaking, your EFT,
Kim Rapach (21:39.691)
Then you need a vehicle to get there. So we have our map, we have the road, but we need a vehicle to get there. We have to actually move. And the way that we do that is through somatic work. So that's where your breath work, your meditation, your journaling, your shaking, your EFT, you know, whatever, dance, walking, like all of these things come into play that actually help you to, you know, you know where your programming lies. You see it, you're ready to release it. And then the
Danielle Mccleerey (21:56.557)
you know, whatever, dance, walking, like all of these things come into play that actually help you to, you know, you know where your programming lies. You see it, you're ready to release it. And then the somatic work actually transmutes that into positive energy and something that you can move forward with. And then the fourth pillar would be the future. So now that we've unlearned everything, we have the vehicles, we've transmuted it through our body, we're a blank canvas. So now,
Kim Rapach (22:09.495)
work actually transmutes that into positive energy and something that you can move forward with. And then the fourth pillar would be the future. So now that we've unlearned everything, we have the vehicles, we've transmuted it through our body, we're a blank canvas. So now what do we want? That's where manifestation really gets to come into play. That's where, you know, visualization really gets to come into play. That's where you really get to build something, whether it be a career, a business, a relationship,
Danielle Mccleerey (22:25.294)
What do we want? That's where manifestation really gets to come into play. That's where visualization really gets to come into play. That's where you really get to build something, whether it be a career, a business, a relationship, a family. That's where you really get to truly build it from a place of life context instead of, well, someone said I should do this, or I know this is what I have to do. it really, it really.
brings you to a place of desire versus shoulds and needs. So that was a very long answer to your question, but that's how I see all of these things working together.
Kim Rapach (23:01.195)
Well, I like we went on a road trip together. That was really fun.
Danielle Mccleerey (23:06.19)
Thanks. And now we're at the beach.
Kim Rapach (23:07.637)
And now we're at the beach where we want to be. That's amazing. How in the world? Well, before I ask that, I'll just say like, I do similar work with the Enneagrams, like the three centers of intelligence, the head, heart and the gut, and which is the dominant emotion. And how do we use, you know, you know, somatic healing to untether? Yeah, yeah. So
Danielle Mccleerey (23:26.286)
I didn't even include that in the maps. Enneagram is part of the maps. Yeah, it's another map. Yep.
Kim Rapach (23:34.537)
But like seriously, when I listen to you, like when you, like I don't know what to call myself, I'm like, what if you were to merge, I don't know, maybe like a queen and a unicorn? That's what comes up. Like you talk and I'm just like.
And you know, when you were saying like, well, you have undefined some, you know, solar plexus and you take on a raised energy. I'm like, wait, you're, you're talking to me now, right? Right. Does that mean? Yes. So I'm like, like, I think that's really, really for me now. Okay. Got it. But it's fun though, because this is the year, like I had something last night and I was going and I could feel like, I don't want to this. And I was like, what are you doing?
Danielle Mccleerey (23:52.494)
Well, it's the, it's, this is.
Danielle Mccleerey (23:59.501)
Well, we're talking to both of us.
Danielle Mccleerey (24:04.862)
I have an undefined solar plexus as well. It's awesome.
Danielle Mccleerey (24:11.011)
Yes.
Kim Rapach (24:17.045)
Here's five reasons you don't want to go and zero reasons you do and so you're like, I'm not gonna make it and so I'm like this is the year so is that tracking with where we're at?
Danielle Mccleerey (24:28.91)
Yeah, I mean, because you and I both have, so this isn't the case for everybody. Like depending on like where a lot of these placements lie in your chart. The only reason I can like, if you're listening to this, reason I can like level with Kim so well is because we have the same house placements in our charts. What's your human design, Kim? You're a...
Kim Rapach (24:30.873)
So this is a good case for everybody. It's like, depending on like, where a lot of placements lie in your chart, the only reason I can like, if you're listening, there's a reason I can like, level with Kim so well, because we have the same house placements in our charts. What's your human design, Kim? You're a... So I'm a Virgo with a Scorpio rising and Leo in Midheaven. Okay. And then what's your moon? Do you know your moon sign? I can't remember. Libra? Libra?
Danielle Mccleerey (24:51.054)
Okay, and then what's your moon? Do you know your moon sign? I can't remember. I know we did this. Maybe a Libra. Oh yeah, you have a Sag moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you both have a Sag moon and a Scorpio rising Leo mid-heaven. And then you're a Virgo sun. And then for human design, you're a generator, right? And what are your profile numbers? Six, two? No. Yeah, I don't remember. I'm like, I could look at your chart right now, but I can't remember. Okay, so.
Kim Rapach (24:58.997)
Oh, no, my moon is Sagittarius. Okay, you have a Sag Moon. Yeah, yeah. You have a Sag Moon and a Scorpio rising when they have it. And then you're a Virgo Sun. And then for human design, you're a generator, right? Yes. And what are your profile numbers? Six, two? No. I don't know. I haven't learned that much. I don't remember. I'm like, I could look at your chart right now, but I can't remember. Okay, so the reason why I can say, oh, or define solar plexus is because I asked you in Ken's chart.
Danielle Mccleerey (25:19.714)
The reason why I can like say, our undefined solar plexus is because like, I've seen Kim's chart. B, we have the same house structure. your houses depend on where your rising sign is. So wherever your rising sign is, that's your first house in astrology. So because Kim and I are both Scorpio rising, our house structure is the same. So we have the same signs in the same houses. So when you say this is the year, yes, for a lot of signs, this is a big pivotal year. For the collective, this is a big pivotal year.
Kim Rapach (25:25.749)
We have the same house structure. your houses depend on where your rising sign is. So wherever your rising sign is, that's your first house in astrology. So because Kim and I are both Scorpio rising, our house structure is the same. So we have the same sign in same houses. So you say, this is the year. Yes, for a lot of signs, this is a big pivotal year. For the collective, this is a big pivotal year. Specifically for you as a Scorpio rising, Isis is in your fifth house. So this is where you birth something. This is creativity. This is your childlike
Danielle Mccleerey (25:47.767)
specifically for you as a Scorpio rising, Pisces is in your fifth house. So this is where you birth something. This is creativity. This is your childlike sense of not even like birth children, like birth something. Like it's the house of creation. And so Pisces there, and then we have a lot of stuff happening in our like ninth house of long distance travel in higher education. Then it moves into our 10th house of career and public image, then our 11th house of community. So for the last few years for Scorpio risings,
Kim Rapach (25:55.655)
And so not even like birth children, like birth something. Like it's the house of creation. And so Pisces there. And then we have a lot of stuff happening in our like ninth house of long distance travel in higher education. Then it moves into our 10th house of career and public image, then our 11th house of community. So for the last few years for Scorpio rising and Sagittarius risings, all the transits, the astrological transits have been moving through our lower houses, which have a lot to do with like our inner world
Danielle Mccleerey (26:17.12)
and Sagittarius risings, all the transits, the astrological transits have been moving through our lower houses, which have a lot to do with our inner world and our shadows and our healing. And now for the next few years, everything's moving into our upper houses, which is our external life. So it's like we've done a lot of work and now it's time to cash in. so, yeah, so that's how a lot of Scorpio risings are feeling. But I also think it's really important to note that
Kim Rapach (26:25.599)
like shadows and our healing. And now for the next few years, everything's moving into our upper houses, which is our external life. So it's like we've done a lot of work and now it's time to like cash in. I got goosebumps. I feel all of that. Like how a lot of Scorpio risings are feeling. But I also think it's really important to note that
Danielle Mccleerey (26:46.732)
You know, there's a there's we're on the verge of another spiritual awakening. And this usually happens every five to ten years. But it for sure happens when Pluto moves. So Pluto was in Capricorn for 18 years, which was Pluto is the planet of death and rebirth and transformation. And Capricorn is the sign of like roots and legacy and success. And so.
Kim Rapach (26:46.933)
You know, there's a, we're on the verge of another spiritual awakening and this usually happens every five to 10 years, but it's for sure happens when Pluto moves. So Pluto was in Capricorn for 18 years, was, Pluto is the planet of death and rebirth and transformation. And Capricorn is the sign of like roots and legacy and success. And so you think about when those two things
Danielle Mccleerey (27:14.638)
If you think about when those two things match up, over the last 18 years, we've had a lot of structure built. We've had a lot of systems put in place. There's been a lot of personal wealth growth. So we've seen a huge wealth divide, right? Like not a lot of space for art, but a lot of space for like work and systems and structure. It's why so many people.
Kim Rapach (27:16.887)
Over the last 18 years, we've had a lot of structure built. We've had a lot of systems put in place. There's been a lot of personal wealth growth. So we've seen a huge wealth divide, right? Like not a lot of space for art, but a lot of space for like work and systems and structure. It's why so many people in the last 10 years have been able to start businesses online and like become very successful. So like that energy was super needed, but just like every child
Danielle Mccleerey (27:38.787)
in the last 10 years have been able to start businesses online and become very successful. So that energy was super needed, but just like every chapter, it has to end and it comes to the point where we go too far. So we've had this huge wealth divide, we've had this huge class divide because legacy has been at the forefront of everyone's minds. So now that Pluto has shifted into Aquarius, what is now going to be
Kim Rapach (27:46.779)
chapter, it has to end and it comes to the point where we go too far. So we've had this like huge wealth divide. We've had this huge like class divide because legacy has been at the forefront of everyone's minds. So now that Pluto has shifted into Aquarius, what is now going to be death, now is going to experience death and rebirth and transformation is the energy of forward thinking, humanitarianism, collective thinking,
Danielle Mccleerey (28:05.154)
death now is going to experience death and rebirth and transformation is the energy of forward thinking, humanitarianism, collective thinking, evolved consciousness. Aquarius is the sign of growth, of thinking ahead. I always say anyone who has Aquarius placements, they're aliens because they're always thinking 10 steps ahead. Elon Musk, love him or hate him. He's got a lot of Aquarius in his chart. And if you think about the way he always talks, like he's always
Kim Rapach (28:17.723)
consciousness. Aquarius is the sign of growth, of thinking ahead. always say anyone who has Aquarius placement, they're aliens, because they're always thinking 10 steps ahead. Elon Musk, love him or hate him, he's done a lot of Aquarius in his chart. If you think about the way he always talks, he's always talking like he's already on Mars. And you're like, that's great, I would love to see us go to Mars, that would be awesome for me to see as a human, I would love to be a part of that.
Danielle Mccleerey (28:34.862)
talking like he's already on Mars and you're like, that's great. I would love to see us go to Mars. That would be awesome for me to see as a human. I would love to be a part of that. And I'm struggling to find out how that relates to this moment. And they're always like, my son's an Aquarius. So he's always like, no, I'm out here. And I'm like, okay. So it's like, that's Aquarius, but they're always thinking about the collective. Aquarius are not in it for themselves.
Kim Rapach (28:46.197)
I'm struggling to find out how that relates to this moment. And they're always like, my son's an Aquarius. So he's always like, no, I'm not here. I'm like, okay. So it's like, that's Aquarius, but they're always thinking about the collective. Aquariuses are not in it for themselves. Even though a lot of people think they are, Aquarius energy is very humanitarian. So a lot of people are like, Elon Musk cares about his own self. I, as an astrologer, can look at his chart and I can be like, it may seem that way, but I actually think that,
Danielle Mccleerey (29:01.868)
even though a lot of people think they are, Aquarius energy is very humanitarian. So a lot of people are like, Elon Musk cares about us himself. I, as an astrologer, can look at his chart and I can be like, mm, it may seem that way, but I actually think that there is a piece of him that is so focused on the collective that he's just doing whatever he can. So that's what we're gonna see a lot of in the next eight, it's a 22-year transit. So the next two decades are gonna be built upon
Kim Rapach (29:16.431)
There is a there is a piece of him that is so focused on like the collective that he's just doing whatever he can So that's what we're gonna see a lot of in the next week. It's a 22-year transit So the next two decades are going to be built upon how can we come together more unity more humanitarianism more innovation more creative pursuit so we're gonna see a revolution in tech we're gonna see a revolution in art we're gonna see a revolution in probably
Danielle Mccleerey (29:31.119)
How can we come together? More unity, more humanitarianism, more innovation, more creative pursuit. So we're gonna see a revolution in tech. We're gonna see a revolution in art. We're gonna see a revolution in probably, you know, I actually think that by the end of this transit, like faith, spirituality, religion, they're all gonna be merged and it's all gonna be the same thing, which it is all the same thing.
Kim Rapach (29:46.023)
You know, I actually think that by the end of this transit like faith spirituality Religion, they're all gonna be merged and it's all gonna be the same thing which it is Sure, but the system the system that built religion is gonna fade away like organized religion like systemic religion is gonna kind of start to
Danielle Mccleerey (29:58.403)
But the system that built religion is gonna fade away. Like organized religion, like systemic religion is gonna kinda start to trickle. And it doesn't mean that God's not, God's gonna get stronger, but it's gonna be from a place of like inclusion and like true collective consciousness instead of like, did you pay your tidings? Are you committed to your church? No, we're committed to higher consciousness.
Kim Rapach (30:16.017)
true collective consciousness instead of like, did you pay your tidings? Did you are you making the church? you committed to your church? No, we're committed to higher consciousness. Yeah, and I've seen so much of that already too.
Danielle Mccleerey (30:30.414)
for sure. And it'll, you'll see it kind of go back and forth. Like I think what will probably happen first, because again, death and rebirth, right? So it's not just good. Pluto transforms, which you and I are ruled by Pluto with Scorpio rising. So like our chart ruler is Pluto and Mars. So the planet of death and rebirth and the planet of war rule us. So we're no stranger to Pluto energy. We know what death and rebirth looks like. And we know that like from our
Kim Rapach (30:32.393)
for sure. it'll you'll see it kind of go back and forth. Like I think what will probably happen first because again, death and rebirth, right? So it's not just good. Pluto transforms, which you and I are ruled by Pluto, with Scorpio rising. So like our chart ruler is Pluto and Mars. So the planet of death and rebirth and the planet of war rule us. So we're no stranger to Pluto and feels true.
Danielle Mccleerey (30:58.488)
deepest grief comes our biggest moments, but that's what the collective is going to experience in this way. So I actually think there'll be a lot of people who have to go through the, maybe they were into astrology and then they go hardcore into the religious pipeline and then they come back to the middle. Like there's gonna be a little bit of this like pendulum swinging a little bit happening on both sides, but eventually we're all gonna land back in the middle. I do believe that. Chaos has to happen first.
Kim Rapach (31:02.397)
collective is going to experience in this way. I actually think there'll be a lot of people who have to go through the maybe they were into astrology and then they go hard core into the religious pipeline and then they come back to the middle. Like there's going to be a little bit of this like pendulum swinging a little bit happening on both sides but eventually we're all going to land back in the middle. I do believe that. has to happen first. Sure. And probably a good thing.
Danielle Mccleerey (31:30.536)
And it's probably a good thing because there's a lot of systems that aren't working.
Kim Rapach (31:32.199)
Yeah, and I think the like the conscious level would say the simplistic version of what you just said I think is when we say cliche things like success comes from failure or you know and then the next level is healing comes from pain and then this is a deeper level of that. Say that louder.
Danielle Mccleerey (31:46.722)
Yes. Yes.
Yeah, Chaos is the only path to evolution. yeah, failure is the only path to success. Like you cannot be successful unless you fail. So a lot of the systems that we see right now that if you're not, if you don't have a regulated nervous system, you you could look at the political climate of America right now and you could go, you know, if you're not tapped into yourself, if you're not regulated in yourself,
Kim Rapach (32:01.705)
be successful unless you bail. So a lot of the systems that we see right now, that if you're not, if you don't have a regulated nervous system, you could look at the political climate of America.
right now and you could go you know if you're not captive yourself if you're not regulated in yourself you could look outside of yourself very easily be like everything is going wrong this is so scary the world is falling apart and like i don't disagree with that i think things are going to fall apart i also think that they have to in order for the spiritual awakening to shake people awake because i know that growth comes through chaos rebirth comes through death so we can't keep going the way we've been going things
Danielle Mccleerey (32:20.054)
you could look outside of yourself very easily and be like, everything is going wrong. This is so scary. The world is falling apart. And like, I don't disagree with that. I think things are going to fall apart. I also think that they have to in order for the spiritual awakening to shake people awake because I know that growth comes through chaos. Rebirth comes through death. So we can't keep going the way we've been going. Things actually do have to crumble. And yeah, it's going to appear bad.
Kim Rapach (32:44.443)
Actually do have to crumble and yeah, it's going to appear bad
Danielle Mccleerey (32:49.344)
on the surface and you can apply this to anything. You can apply this to political climate. You could apply this to people who want to pivot in business, who want to, you you could look at the way that Hollywood, like you work with artists, like you could look at the way that Hollywood is going right now. There are parts of Hollywood that have to die, like they cannot keep going the way it's going. When the Me Too movement happened, like things had to die and that was how things were reborn. And it's like, I was listening to this interview the other day with Cameron Diaz and she was talking about how she just shot that movie, the first movie back on Netflix.
I just watched it and I can't even remember what it's called.
Kim Rapach (33:18.502)
It was so good. I don't remember the name of it. Yeah, it was a very famous co-
Danielle Mccleerey (33:22.476)
She was like a spy. Yeah. So she was like doing this interview. I'm gonna, it's gonna come to me and we're gonna be on to completely different topic, but it'll come to me. But it's on Netflix. And she was doing this interview about how like the climate of shooting movies. And she goes, you know, I haven't made a movie in so long. So I raised my kids and it was so different because before like you'd have people making comments about your body or like there'd be like weird comments about women. And she's like, there was none of that. There was so much respect. There was so much things. And I'm like, yeah, but look at what had to happen.
Kim Rapach (33:30.901)
Yeah, true. Right.
Danielle Mccleerey (33:51.801)
to get there. So that has to apply to everything. And I think people forget that because we want to hold on so tight to what's safe. Even if safe is killing us, we need to learn to choose unfamiliar peace over our familiar chaos in order to truly grow.
Kim Rapach (34:00.855)
You know, as a Virgo and an Enneagram six, where fear is so dominant, I spent so many years afraid of what might happen. And then once I learned how to heal my nervous system, learned who I am, learned more about myself, and of course, I'm still
Danielle Mccleerey (34:25.038)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (34:30.775)
learning. But now when something happens, I'm like, Oh, yeah, of course. Here we go. Yeah, it doesn't it doesn't. Like, your essence is Virgo of like, needs to have structure like needs to make sense has to be rooted in reality. Then you have your sad mood that like doesn't know.
Danielle Mccleerey (34:36.792)
Of Yeah. Well, you have this like, you also have this juxtaposition between your Virgo sun and your Sag moon. Like your essence is Virgo of like needs to have structure, like needs to make sense, has to be rooted in reality. And then you have your Sag moon that's like, does it though? Like, I always feel like people with like Virgo and Sag in their big three, those two signs need each other so much, but there's also a lot of this. And it's like,
Kim Rapach (34:54.953)
Like so I always feel like people with like Virgo and Sag in their their big three those two signs meet each other so much but there's also a lot of this and it's like I like anybody with Sag and Virgo in their top three it's like you are literally towing the line between getting a real job and like selling everything and riding on a horse off into the sunset. Every day. Like every day you could go either way just as easy. Every day.
Danielle Mccleerey (35:04.078)
I like anybody with Sagin Virgo in their top three, it's like you are literally towing the line between getting a real job and like selling everything and riding on a horse off into the sunset at all times. Like every day you could go either way just as easy.
I can't relate to that because I'm a double-sadge sun and moon. So I'm always like, fire levitating across the field all the time. Structure, what's that? That's why I have a team of Virgos who work for me. Because they're like, OK, but let's hold on a minute.
Kim Rapach (35:22.933)
I can't relate to that because it's double-stretched sun and moon. I'm always like, fire levitating across the field all the time. Structure, what's that? That's why I have a team of Virgos who work for me. They're like, okay, like, let's hold on a minute. The other folks can't keep up, Danielle. Yeah, I have a question for you because I used so, okay, so Enneagram. I'm talking about Enneagram. Okay.
Danielle Mccleerey (35:43.607)
Yeah, I have a question for you because I used so, okay, so Enneagram, I want to talk about Enneagram because I think we've actually had this conversation briefly. I think my issue with the Enneagram, wow, I can talk. My issue with the Enneagram for always has always been the fact that when you answer that, like systems, and this is probably just my own bias, it for sure is my own bias, I like systems that are determined by your birth chart because that's your snapshot.
Kim Rapach (35:50.869)
I think we actually have this conversation briefly. I think my issue with the integrant and the cloud, I can talk. My issue is the integrant.
has always been the fact that when you answer that, like systems, and this is probably just my own bias, it for sure is my own bias, I like systems that are determined by your birth chart because that's your snapshot. That's like, we are. We're like Enneagram, when you come to the Enneagram, you're answering it from where you sit in this moment. So I, before I had regulated my nervous system, I was an eight week seven.
Danielle Mccleerey (36:12.77)
you're who you are. We're like Enneagram, when you come to the Enneagram, you're answering it from where you sit in this moment. I, before I had regulated my nervous system, I was an eight wing seven through and through. Once I healed my nervous system and I came, I went back to the Enneagram, I was no longer an eight wing seven. I was no longer an eight. Like I did not relate to an eight at all anymore. And I was like,
Kim Rapach (36:27.477)
Through and through. Once I healed my nervous system, came, I went back to the enneagram. I was no longer an eight week, seven. I was no longer an eight. Like I did not relate to an eight at all anymore. And I was like, I mean, I did like, you know, doing my own thing, like, but it wasn't so bullheaded. It was like, it was more from a live and let live energy, right? Like I would almost say that I fall more into like the seven energy now than I do the eight energy. And I think that this is always been my thing.
Danielle Mccleerey (36:40.002)
I mean, did, like, you know, doing my own thing, like, but it wasn't so bullheaded. It was like, it was more from a live and let live energy, right? So like, I would almost say that I fall more into like the seven energy now than I do the eight energy. And I think that this is always been my thing with the enneagrams. I'm like, do the enneagram obviously before you regulate your nervous system and then come back to it and see if it's different.
Kim Rapach (36:57.431)
with the enneagrams and like do the enneagram obviously before you regulate the nervous system and then come back to it and see if it's different. Yeah. Is yours different? Have you seen yours change at all? So how I use it honestly is, you know, you start with where you're at or kind of what feels true to where you've always been kind of what's been your vibe like mostly. unlike things like, know, because I have like a therapy and social work background.
Danielle Mccleerey (37:07.424)
Is yours different? Have you seen yours change at all?
Danielle Mccleerey (37:21.09)
Yeah. Yeah.
Kim Rapach (37:27.351)
like things like Myers-Briggs and that sort of stuff, like where you just kind of get put in a box and you get handed a box and you're like, great, I don't know what the hell to do with it. The Enneagram for me is like, I feel like I, that's where I learned I could borrow energy. And so I don't like, I'm a six with a seven wing, definitely a lot of seven. But I don't, I don't like at my core, I think there's that, that fear underline, but I've regulated my nervous system so much.
Danielle Mccleerey (37:32.172)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (37:41.54)
cool.
Danielle Mccleerey (37:54.273)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (37:57.223)
that that could still be my core, but also like I'm moving into the nine, which is the peacemaker. And I love the two who's the helper. And I like the Enneagram because you can evolve and use the energies of all the patterns. So there's no box. You know, they say like the Enneagram doesn't give you, it doesn't put you in a box. It actually helps you out of the box that you've been in.
Danielle Mccleerey (38:10.723)
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (38:20.302)
So that's interesting that you say that because I think that that is a huge misunderstanding of the Enneagram because that's also the misunderstanding of human design. Like there's people that'll be like, I'm a manifestor, so I'm just never going to be able to do this. And I'm like, no, if you're using these systems to validate your wounds, then you're using it wrong. These systems are meant to be your roadmap for getting out of your wounding pattern.
Kim Rapach (38:20.489)
So that's interesting that you say that because I think that that is a huge misunderstanding of the endiogram. Because that's also the misunderstanding of human design. There's people that will be like, I'm a manifestor, so I'm just never going to be able to do this. And I'm like, no. If you're using these systems to validate your wounds, then you're using it wrong. These systems are meant to be your roadmap for getting out of your wounding. Exactly.
Danielle Mccleerey (38:50.168)
So it's the same with Enneagram then. I do relate to the nine a lot more now in the Enneagram than I ever did. That was what it was. I still relate to the seven because I love a good party, but Peacemaker for sure.
Kim Rapach (39:00.322)
Yeah, And how I use that. It's fine. no problem. So what I what I also love about it though is so I focus on the head centers.
Danielle Mccleerey (39:05.198)
And like, you want to tell me that the sky is red? Okay. Two plus two is 27? Sure. It is.
Kim Rapach (39:20.433)
of intelligence, like I said, and so with, you know, the dominant emotion, you can go back to the familiarity in your body and the original story, and that's where you untether. So very similar to like the, you know, the neural linguistics, like we untether from... Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (39:28.715)
yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (39:34.925)
Yeah, and the deconditioning process of the human design centers. yeah, yeah, because any of your undefined centers in human design show you where your conditioning is. So like, I have an undefined head and I have an undefined ajna, which is like logic and ideas. So I always overthink and I'm always like, is that a good idea? I don't know if that's a good idea. And like, I have, I want to be creative and I want to expand, but like, ooh, but like, it has to make sense.
Kim Rapach (39:48.533)
I
Danielle Mccleerey (40:03.468)
I have an undefined solar plexus. So there's this like, you know, I take on everyone's energy and I've really had to learn not my circus, not my monkeys. Like I'll feel for you, but I refuse to feel for you. You have to feel your own shit. I have to feel my own shit. And then I also have an undefined throat. that actually surprises people a lot. But I'm like, but this is what I mean when I say it is your map. I wasn't always a good speaker.
Kim Rapach (40:19.127)
And then I also have an undefined throat. So with that actually surprises people a lot. But I'm like, this is what I mean when I say it is your mouth. I wasn't always a good speaker. I used to over communicate and...
Danielle Mccleerey (40:31.688)
used to over communicate and try to prove myself more until I deconditioned the belief that I had to do that to be loved or worthy of success. And now, obviously, I am a speaker. it's like, don't, these things don't confine you. They're just like a cheat sheet for how to get out of your patterns. Yeah, so it's the same. See, they're all the same. Everybody listening?
Kim Rapach (40:35.925)
try to prove myself more until I deconditioned the belief that I had to do that to be loved or to be a success. And now obviously I am a speaker. it's like, don't, these things don't confine you. They're just like a cheat sheet for how to get out of your patterns. Yeah. it's the same. So everybody, that was a really long way for us to tell you that this is all, it's all the same.
Danielle Mccleerey (41:01.27)
That was a really long way for us to tell you that this is all, it's all the same. We're doing the same work. We're doing the same work and we're just doing it with a different, yeah, different, yeah, different color. Yeah, yeah, that's all it is. mean, also, how old are you, Kim?
Kim Rapach (41:05.879)
Just just little different maybe different lanes. Yeah, just a few different lanes go in the same place. Yeah 53 I'll be 54 this year
Danielle Mccleerey (41:19.234)
So you're the Pluto in Libra.
Kim Rapach (41:26.131)
I believe you.
Danielle Mccleerey (41:26.86)
Yes, you're at the beginning of Pluto and Libra. So you unlearning and healing a lot of your patterns is not typical for your generation. Like me, the Pluto and Scorpio generation, we came here to heal. Like we are the Pluto, the planet of death and rebirth. We are the Scorpio generation of like the millennials. It essentially goes by, because are you Gen X?
Kim Rapach (41:36.085)
typical for your generation. Like me, the Poodle and Scorpio generation, we came here to heal. Like we are the Poodle, planet of death and rebirth. We are the Scorpio generation of like the millennials. It essentially goes by, because are you Gen X? 1971. Yeah, Gen X. Yeah. You're like right at the beginning of Gen X. So you're not, you're not, you're not the boomer generation. No, just missed it maybe. You're Gen X. Yeah. So you're Gen X.
Danielle Mccleerey (41:54.831)
Yeah, Gen X. You're like right at the beginning of Gen X. So you're not the boomer generation. No, I was like, no, you're Gen X. So you're Gen X. so the millennials, like we came here to end our lineage, our generational patterns. Like we came here to heal. That is why we're here. The Pluto and Libra generation, you came here to make peace. You came here to...
Kim Rapach (42:06.311)
And so the millennials, like we came here to end our lineage, our generational patterns. Like we came here to heal. That is why we're here. The Poodle and Libra generation, you came here to make peace. You came here to be just. You came here to make sure that fairness was honored. That tracks for me and my husband. Yeah, that's beautiful.
Danielle Mccleerey (42:22.966)
you came here to be just, you came here to make sure that fairness was honored. That's beautiful. Yeah, that's beautiful. And there's a duality to everything, right? So similar to there's a duality to like the generation that came here to heal generational patterns is like, sometimes millennials were a little too serious. And like, we have to remind ourselves that like, it's not that serious. And like, actually, even though we are like healing all the time,
Kim Rapach (42:36.023)
And there's a duality to everything, right? So similar to there's a duality to like the generation that came here to heal generational patterns is like, sometimes millennials were a little too serious. And like, we have to remind ourselves that like, it's not that serious. And like, actually, even though we are like healing all the time, we can also like have fun and like not, we don't need, our whole life doesn't need to be about that. The duality to like creating beauty and harmony and a fair and just world to live in, the shadow of that is that you,
Danielle Mccleerey (42:51.49)
we can also have fun. Our whole life doesn't need to be about that. The duality to creating beauty and harmony and a fair and just world to live in, the shadow of that is that you did a lot of outsourcing your power to other people. You probably, when you were younger, I know this, because we've had this conversation, that's why you always put other people ahead of yourself.
Kim Rapach (43:05.943)
You did a lot of outsourcing your power to other people. You probably, when you were younger, I know this because we've had this conversation, like that's why you always put other people ahead of yourself and now are learning that and learning nervous system regulation. Like Libra energy, as much as you think that it's rooted in nervous system regulation, it's not because it's rooted in, they put peace and fairness above
Danielle Mccleerey (43:19.094)
and now are learning that and learning nervous system regulation. Like Libra energy, as much as you think that it's rooted in nervous system regulation, it's not because it's rooted in, they put peace and fairness above regulation because somebody, having your, like me having a regulated nervous system, you having a regulated nervous system is not always going to feel fair for people around us because
Kim Rapach (43:36.055)
Regulation because somebody you having your like me having an irregular nervous system You have an irregular nervous system is not always going to feel fair for people around us Because if somebody wants more of our attention we're not willing to give it because of our regulated nervous system That kind of takes fairness and peace out of the window So the the gen Xers that are actually doing the work that the Millennials do It's not normal. It's not not
Danielle Mccleerey (43:48.705)
if somebody wants more of our attention, we're unwilling to give it because of our regulated nervous system, that kind of takes fairness and peace out of the window. So the gen Xers that are actually doing the work that the millennials do, it's not normal. It's not, not everybody in your generation is doing that, or at least they weren't, they're not yet. They will, but they're not yet. So you're like way ahead of your generation in that way, but it's because you're a Scorpio rising. So like,
Kim Rapach (44:05.739)
everybody in your generation is doing that, at least they weren't. They're not yet. They will. But they're not yet. So you're like way ahead of your generation in that way. But it's because you're a Scorpio rising. like, death and rebirth and transformation has just always been a part of your life. And you've experienced a lot of grief. You've come out on the other side of it a lot. So it's easier for you to do that. That's amazing. junior college, at like the lunch, in the lunch room, wherever, you know, the community lunch
Danielle Mccleerey (44:18.722)
Death and rebirth and transformation has just always been a part of your life and you've experienced a lot of grief and you've come out on the other side of it a lot. So it's easier for you to do that.
Danielle Mccleerey (44:35.427)
Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (44:35.649)
room where everybody would hang out, I was called the group counselor before I ever had any ideas of being a therapist or a coach or anything. And people, even in high school, if kids ran away from home, they came to my house, which my house was not the place you needed to go. was trying to get out. I've always had that, there's something wrong here. There's something different. And so that totally tracks.
Danielle Mccleerey (44:50.626)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (45:01.624)
Well, and you also have, you have an 11th house, because Virgo is our 11th house and that's where your son is. So you have an 11th house sun sign, which the 11th house is community and it's networks and it's social circles. So somebody with a son there, you're in your genius when you're building community and you're making people feel a part of something. That's where you're, yeah. I mean, and you know that about yourself. That's like.
Kim Rapach (45:06.669)
I've always gotten that feedback.
Danielle Mccleerey (45:27.586)
That's where you feel the most, yeah, that's where you feel the most at home. And then we both have second house, sun and moon. So it's like when the more that we, the more that you honor your sun sign, the more that your emotional world, your moon sign feels safe. So because the second house is all about wealth and finance and self-worth, you've always made more money and felt better about yourself when you are feeling like you're making people feel seen, heard and appreciated. That's how like sun and moon are connected now.
Kim Rapach (45:36.545)
or that your emotional world, your moonsign feels safe. because the second house is all about wealth and finance and self-worth, you've always made more money and felt better about yourself when you are feeling like you're making people feel seen, heard, It's how like sun and moon are connected. You're crazy like me and they're in the same house.
Danielle Mccleerey (45:56.572)
If you're crazy like me and they're in the same house, that's fun.
Kim Rapach (46:02.672)
How do you remember I was gonna say like how in the world do you remember all this I know when I learned the Enneagram when it came across my desk I just ate it up like it was candy and I was like I couldn't get enough and my husband be like, do you remember this? I'm like, I don't freaking know it's just meant for me because it I couldn't remember what I had for breakfast But I could tell you what a five what they're worried about right? how do you Okay
Danielle Mccleerey (46:23.106)
Yeah, yeah. You are a 6'2". I remember this. You and I have the same human design profile. It's the two line. there are things, like, anybody with a two line, there are certain things that we were just born understanding. Like, for me, understanding the connection between the brain, the subconscious, astrology, human design, and somatic work, and manifestation, is just like, it's a language that I just understand.
Kim Rapach (46:30.487)
Like there are things like even with the two line there are certain things that you were just born like understanding like for me understanding the connection between the brain the subconscious astrology human design and somatic work and manifestation is just like it's it's a language that I just like understand and I didn't have to look very hard to like when I learned I don't know if you feel like this would be any room in like the work that you do with like the know conscious centers and stuff but when I learned about
Danielle Mccleerey (46:51.34)
I didn't have to work very hard. Like when I learned, I don't know if you feel like this with the Enneagram and like the work that you do with like the conscious centers and stuff, but when I learned about all of this stuff and I saw it all like combined and I was like, my gosh, it wasn't like I was learning it. It's like I was remembering it.
Kim Rapach (47:00.407)
all of this stuff and I saw it all like combined and I was like, my gosh, it wasn't like I was learning it. It's like I was remembering it. That's how I felt about the un-air-crim. That's it. Like I remembered it. Because I came into this world already knowing it. Yeah. had to remember it. that's the thing with the two-line is like we're projected on a lot. Like, Scorpios are projected on a lot.
Danielle Mccleerey (47:11.192)
That's it. Like I remembered it because I came into this world already knowing it and I had to remember it. And that's the thing with the two line is like we're projected on a lot. Like Scorpios are projected on a lot. Two lines are projected on a lot. It's like this, people project their fears and their scarcity and their desires onto people who naturally figure things out very well. Same with a Scorpio rising. Like I always say,
Kim Rapach (47:26.335)
Two lines are projected on a lot. It's like people project their fears and their scarcity and their desires onto people who naturally figure things out very well.
same as a scorpio rising, but I always say that if you're a scorpio rising, you know what it feels like to be hated because you breathe. On TikTok, was like, I'm really trying to listen to you, but you talk to me with your hands, so I have to go. You're like, bye. See you later.
Danielle Mccleerey (47:40.398)
If you're a Scorpio rising, you know what it feels like to be hated because you breathe. it's just, the other day on TikTok, someone was like, I'm really trying to listen to you, but you talk too much with your hands. So I have to go. And I'm like, okay.
Bye! See you later!
Yeah, like that's it. And it's like the same with the two, like things, like two lines were born with the how hard could it be, Jean. And so, like I always say, two lines could have raised themselves. We did in a lot of ways. And so.
Kim Rapach (48:02.069)
Yeah, like that's it. And it's like the thing with the two, things, like two lines were born into how hard could it be, And so, like I would say two lines could have raised themselves. We did in a lot of ways. I heard you say that on your podcast yesterday. And I was like, I think I've always had that like, how hard everything like if I want to craft something, and if I see something like I could make that how hard can it be? Like I could. Yeah, like I'm, I'm delusional enough. Like I used to Grey's Anatomy. And I used to watch them do brain surgery and be like, yeah, I could do that. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (48:23.222)
Yeah, how could, yeah, like I'm delusional enough. Like I used to watch Grey's Anatomy and I used to watch them do brain surgery and be like, yeah, I could do that. Same with House. Yeah, I used to watch House and like, I'd be like, just give him interferon. It's fine. It'll be great. Like I, just give me a YouTube tutorial. I'll figure it out. But that is not the case for other people. And so when somebody comes into something and it's like so easy, it's easy for somebody to be like,
Kim Rapach (48:32.023)
celebrity suicide. How hard could it be? I can do that. do it.
Danielle Mccleerey (48:51.63)
Well, how do you know that? must, like, you you feel like you have to justify. So like a lot of us, two lines, we spent a lot of our, like our 20s and probably part of our 30s really trying to like justify and prove why we are so good at the things we're good at. And once we learn to let that go, you want to talk about nervous system regulation, let go of the need to prove yourself.
Kim Rapach (49:13.549)
Oh yeah, one of my biggest questions I would have to check because I didn't trust myself. I mean like, you don't want to write a book?
Danielle Mccleerey (49:18.53)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Mccleerey (49:22.573)
Hmm.
Kim Rapach (49:22.763)
And you don't want to be on a stage? You don't want to be on TV? No. I'm like, okay, so this really is something I'm supposed to be doing because not everybody wants that.
Danielle Mccleerey (49:25.986)
Yeah. No. You're like, really?
Yeah, no, not everybody wants that. Not everybody is supposed to want that. Yeah, I just remember being like, always being very okay with the idea of like being well known and being seen. And, you know, obviously there was programming involved in that, but yeah, I mean, like I also have kind of a photographic memory. So that's probably why I was so.
Kim Rapach (49:37.151)
Yeah.
scene and you know obviously there was programming involved in that but yeah I mean like I also kind of photographic memory so probably why I was so good at acting and memorizing scripts like I would read us in college like I would read a script and I would memorize it in like a day and it would just be same with choreography like somebody could teach me a dance I would know it immediately and it's like everyone would be like well how do you know that so well like you know people would use to accuse me
Danielle Mccleerey (50:00.015)
go to acting and memorizing scripts. I would read a script college and I would memorize it in a day. Same with choreography, somebody could teach me a dance and I would know it immediately. Everyone would be like, well, how do you know that so well? People used to accuse me of getting special help from directors. And I'm like, no, just...
Kim Rapach (50:19.159)
of like getting special help from like directors and like no just it's just me it just have a same with like song lyrics like i can hear a song once and i know the words my son has it too so it's fun to watch it from this perspective watching him have the same experience as i do um but you know when you're good at things you're that's gonna come with other people's projections sure yeah i remember my son's one of his first big auditions and it was all about science and so there were all these big words
Danielle Mccleerey (50:24.898)
I just have, same with like song lyrics. Like I can hear a song once and I know the words. My son has it too. So it's fun to watch it from this perspective, watching him have the same experience as I do. But you know, when you're good at things, that's gonna come with other people's projections. So.
Kim Rapach (50:49.079)
and I was like, it's okay, you can look at the script. And he had just gotten it he's like, no, I think I have it. And he just like went through it and like, know, thermocouple and it was like, I don't know, maybe eight or 10. And I was just like, what? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (50:54.37)
I think I got it.
Danielle Mccleerey (51:03.182)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's cool. I think, but I mean, that goes back to your deconditioning process and it goes back to your nervous system regulation, because it's like, it's so easy, I think, for people who are naturally good at things to then feel, oh, well, I don't wanna share it. I don't wanna be loud about what I'm good at because, you know, I don't wanna make anybody feel less than.
Kim Rapach (51:05.493)
Yeah, it's cool. think, but I mean, that goes back to your deconditioning process and it goes back to your nervous system regulation because it's like, it's so easy, I think, for people who are naturally good at things to then feel, I don't want to share it. I don't want to be loud about what I'm good at because I don't want to make anybody feel less than. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (51:28.76)
Thank God I let that go. Because I actually find now, like the more that I am myself, actually I know this is true because of what you said at the beginning of this interview to me, like the more I am confident in what I'm good at, the more I shine in my zone of genius, the more permission I give other people to do so. And that's the point. That's called collective consciousness evolution, right? Like that's how we evolve the collective consciousness.
Kim Rapach (51:28.959)
Yeah
I just got goosebumps again. Because when you are teaching, you know, I'm in one of your containers, when you're teaching, I literally feel it. You know, I do feel people's energies and I feel and I've done a lot of work to learn to trust myself and to trust what I feel. And it's like, you just know.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:01.602)
You're kinda witchy.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:08.014)
Mm-hmm.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:12.002)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Kim Rapach (52:16.861)
you know, that you're doing the work and that you've done the work and that you know what you're talking about. And you have this level of compassion as well. You're not like just this coach who's like, you know, again, you don't have this four step process. I don't want a four step process. I want you to see me and know me. And I don't want to be like, Suzy, like, don't we all want to just shine on our own, you know, in a sense. So I feel that literally.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:19.022)
Mm.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:32.098)
Yep. Yep.
Danielle Mccleerey (52:38.966)
Yeah, I think a lot of people will come into my containers and it's like, I know immediately if they're gonna stick around or not, just based on the energy in which they hired me from. And I think it's really easy for people to put like Scorpio energy on a pedestal. And like, you know, when somebody is a sage and you can kind of like see things and you can like, you can speak to vision in the way that I think I can.
Kim Rapach (52:42.293)
like I know immediately if they're going to stick around or not. Just based on.
the energy in which they hired me from. And I think it's really easy for people to put like Scorpio energy on a pedestal. And like, you know, when somebody is a sage and you can kind of like see things and you can like, you can speak to vision in the way that I think I can. It's easy for people to put that on a pedestal and hire from this place of like, I need to be saved. And I used to be a person who like, because I felt I needed to be accessible.
Danielle Mccleerey (53:07.158)
It's easy for people to put that on a pedestal and hire from this place of like, need to be saved. And I used to be a person who like, because I felt I needed to be accessible and available 24 seven, I used to attract only people who needed everything from me. It was like, I was an energetic match for like energy vampires because I was a savior, right? It's like, that's an energetic match. I'm no longer an energetic match for that, but those.
Kim Rapach (53:31.002)
I'm no longer an energetic match for that, but those people will still see that in me. And like, I know immediately when somebody comes into a container, if they're going to stick around because I'm like, Oh, it based on how they ask questions based on how they
Danielle Mccleerey (53:35.247)
people will still see that in me. like, I know immediately when somebody comes into a container, if they're gonna stick around, because I'm like, based on how they ask questions, based on how they project their own fears onto me. I'm not going to fish for my clients. I don't believe in fishing. I think there are half and half, right? Like half the population, they came here to be fishermen. What I teach those people is not to not fish for people.
Kim Rapach (53:47.495)
Sure
Danielle Mccleerey (54:04.47)
I teach them that they need to eat first. Because if you're here to be a fisherman and there's a lot cancer placements, Pisces placements, like Virgo, like heavy Virgo, there is a little bit of a fisherman energy to that. You have some fisherman energy.
Kim Rapach (54:17.399)
energy to that. You have some fishermen energy. Well, I was a therapist and I was far too available and far too in my savior complex and burning. have a little bit of both. You got that sad moon that saves you from like truly giving yourself completely over to others, but there is a little bit of savior energy there and that's fine. You can be a fisherman. Every village needs a fisherman.
Danielle Mccleerey (54:22.764)
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, you have a little bit of both. You got that Sag Moon that saves you from like truly giving yourself completely over to others, but there is a little bit of savior energy there and that's fine. You can be a fisherman. Every village needs a fisherman. But if the fisherman stops eating first, then the fisherman starves. And if the fisherman starves, then everyone dies. And so...
Kim Rapach (54:42.261)
But if the fisherman stops eating first, then the fisherman starves. And if the fisherman starves, then everyone dies. Amen. And so that's what I really try to teach people. And that's typical with people with gate 40 in human design. If you have gate 40, I can pretty much deduce that, like, yes, you are a fisherman, but I'm going to guess that, like, you're not eating. And now you're, just being a martyr and a savior to everybody. And I'm not a fisherman. I came here to teach people to fish.
Danielle Mccleerey (54:50.38)
That's what I really try to teach people. And that's typical with people with gate 40 in human design. Like if you have gate 40, I can pretty much deduce that like, yes, you are a fisherman, but I'm gonna guess that like, you're not eating. And now you're like just being a martyr and a savior to everybody. And I'm not a fisherman. I came here to teach people to fish, which is just as important. They're both equally, nothing is inferior or superior. It's just different. And I think,
Kim Rapach (55:12.435)
Which is just as important they're both equally nothing is in barriers of period it's just different and I think when people come into my spaces looking for a fisherman and they realize real quick because I've gotten really good at my energy when they realize really fast like that ain't me babe like I They'll always be the ones to go and that's okay like I I'm also not trying to get anybody to stay that doesn't want to be in spaces but it's always really
Danielle Mccleerey (55:19.574)
when people come into my spaces looking for a fisherman and they realize real quick because I've gotten really good at my energy, when they realize really fast that like that ain't me, babe, like they'll always be the ones to go first. And that's okay. Like I'm also not trying to get anybody to stay that doesn't want to be in my spaces, but it's always really magical when people like you come into my spaces who don't need a savior, you just need somebody to see you and
Kim Rapach (55:42.087)
magical when people like you come into my spaces who don't need a savior. You just need somebody to see you and reflect back to you what you already know. And I think that's what's been so fun about working with you. And call me on my shit. Well, do. And it's never from a place of like, you know, when you first submitted, I remember like there was a preview you working on when you first submitted it. And I was like, okay, but like, this doesn't say anything. yeah. Like, this is your, your, your What did I say? I was like, your
Danielle Mccleerey (55:48.759)
reflect back to you what you already know. And I think that's what's been so fun about working with you is like, when you, well, I do. And it's not, it's never from a place of like malice, but it's like, you know, when you first submitted, I remember like there was a freebie you were working on and you first submitted it. And I was like, okay, but like, this doesn't say anything. Like I need more. Like this is your, your, your, did I say? I was like, you're, you're taking the easy way out on this. Like I need you to like actually put the effort into this because you have it in you.
Kim Rapach (56:11.991)
You're taking the easy way out on this. I need you to actually put the effort into this because you have it in you. Then you went back and I think we went through like four five different iterations and then it got to the point where I was like, you happy with this? And you were like, I love it. I don't get the same. Like 10 out of 10, no notes. it's like, that's, can you imagine if you would have come in and been like, well, here's how I do it. Like, no, I'll show you mine. I'll be like, here's how I did mine. Sure. Like there were certain things, like yes, I recommend a page of like how people can work with
Danielle Mccleerey (56:18.35)
And then you went back and I think we went through like four or five different iterations. And then it got to the point where I was like, are you happy with this? And you were like, I love it. And I was like, same, like 10 out of 10, no notes, but it's like, but that's. Can you imagine if you would have come in and been like, well, here's how I do it. Like, no, I'll show you mine. I'll be like, here's how I did mine. I like, there are certain things like, yes, I recommend a page of like how people can work with you. I recommend testimonials. Those are just things from a strategic perspective that are going to elevate your product.
Kim Rapach (56:42.111)
I recommend testimonials. Those are just things from a strategic perspective that are going to elevate your product. But that doesn't need to look the same for everybody. That can look a lot of different ways. And so it's been really fun to work with you in that way because I'm like, And I always think about what we've done in the last six months. And then I always start thinking about, OK, we've come this far in six months. Where can I take this person in the next six months?
Danielle Mccleerey (56:47.746)
that doesn't need to look the same for everybody. That can look a lot of different ways. And so it's been really fun to work with you in that way because I'm like, And I always think about what we've done in the last six months. Then I always start thinking about, OK, we've come this far in six months. Where could I take this person in the next six months? And it's just like, that's the game I like to play. And it's just a really fun, it's a really fun.
Kim Rapach (57:11.831)
And it's just like, that's the game I like to play. It's just like a really fun, really fun thing. But I'm also very, like you said, you feel the energy. I'm very aware of when something comes in and I'm like, you're not gonna. Yeah, it's been fun for me. I mean, I've overcome a lot of tech blocks and I've had fun with tech stuff that used to overwhelm me and now I'm like, oh my God, this is creative. It's fun. Having a blast. It is now.
Danielle Mccleerey (57:18.478)
But I'm also very obvious, like you said, like you feel the energy. I'm very aware of when somebody comes in and I'm like, you're not gonna, you're not gonna last.
Danielle Mccleerey (57:39.212)
Isn't tech fun? Yeah. It's like tech is something to learn. And then once you learn, it's a tool. It's just like anything else. It's a tool.
Kim Rapach (57:41.703)
Thank you. Yeah, yeah, and the blocks are, you know, the woundings and...
All that good stuff. No kidding.
Danielle Mccleerey (57:52.525)
It's the Libra, it's that Libra energy of like everything has to, like I have to make sure that I always appear charming. It's the good girl energy. Libra, Pluto Libra generation came with good girl energy. I have to not rock the boat. I have to remain peaceful. I have to remain charming. Actually, like I love when a Libra gets a little bit like, you know, like Kendrick Lamar is a Libra rising and like you wanna talk about the long game.
Libra Energy plays the long game and when they're ready to get their justice, they get it. So it's so fun to see you like stepping out of all these boxes. like, I remember you, one of the very first things you said to me was like, I don't know, like, I just feel like maybe I'm not, was something about your age or it was something about like, yeah, I'm like too late to get on the like tech train. And I was like, what?
Kim Rapach (58:22.333)
to get their justice, they get it. it's so fun to see you like stepping out of all these boxes. like, I remember you, one of very first things you said to me was like, I don't know, like, just feel like maybe I'm not, was something about your age or something. Yeah, I was like, I'm too late. I'm something like that. was like,
Yeah, there have been a couple of conversations that we've had there. just like, yeah. Like, yeah, I could go down a rabbit hole. I respect when my coaches are real with me too. Like, don't want somebody to just be like, this is great. Like,
Danielle Mccleerey (58:54.04)
But that's why we get along so well, because you and I are both Scorpio rising. So it's like, I respect when my coaches are real with me too. Like I don't want somebody to just be like, this is great. Like, can you imagine if somebody was just, if I was just like, yep, looks good. No, you know it doesn't. I know it doesn't. Let's like, let's fix it. Let's make it the best it possibly can be. Because isn't that the point that we are like living our fullest expression? That's the point.
Kim Rapach (59:07.933)
No, you know it doesn't. I know it doesn't. Let's fix it. Let's make it the best it possibly can be. Because isn't that the point? That we are living a holist expression? That's the point. Yeah. I have so many clients who are just wrestling, wrestling, wrestling. And then they're like, OK, I get it now. You're right.
Danielle Mccleerey (59:27.566)
Well, and a lot of you work with a lot of artists. like they're conditioned anyway to like be wrong and for it not to be good enough. mean, gosh, coming from the dance world, like I was so conditioned that like I had to be perfect. Otherwise it wasn't, it wasn't good enough. And so you're probably coming, you probably have a lot of clients who come with the wounding, regardless of what part of the industry they work in of like, I don't want to put myself out there unless I can guarantee it's going to be perfect. And it's like, well, then you're going to be in the
Kim Rapach (59:29.341)
So they're conditioned anyway to like be wrong and for it not to be good enough. mean, gosh, coming from the dance world, like I was so conditioned that like I had to be perfect. Yeah. Otherwise it wasn't it wasn't good enough. And so you're probably coming. You probably have a lot of clients who come with the wounding, regardless of what part of the industry they work in. Like, I don't want to myself out there unless I can guarantee it's going to be perfect. it's like. Well, and so many have already put themselves out there.
Danielle Mccleerey (59:56.302)
You're gonna be in the shadows for a long time.
Kim Rapach (59:59.507)
and they're not being true to themselves or what they really want or don't want. And then they have the fear of the big system that says, you can't, you can't. Yeah, you can't. We'll find somebody else.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:00:04.549)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Being canceled, the fear of being canceled is real. Yeah, the fear of, I've been afraid of that before. I mean, I have a pretty dark sense of humor and the people who get it get it. But a stranger on the internet who the first thing you're seeing is a real where I posted like, you know, the reason I'm so resilient is because I watched people jump live from a building when I was in eighth grade. The amount of comments of like, this is just tone deaf. It's like.
Kim Rapach (01:00:22.549)
But a stranger on the internet who the first thing you're seeing is a reel where I posted like, you know, the reason I'm so resilient is because I watched people jump live from a building when I was in eighth grade. The amount of comments like this is just coming down. It's like.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:00:36.32)
I used to let that kind of stuff like stop me. And now I'm like, that's my sense of humor. And the more you stick around, that's my truth. Like, no, it's not my whole personality, but like, if you think about like everything that the millennial and the Gen X generation saw, live on TV, like they just rolled in the cart in eighth grade and we're like, here, we're gonna watch this. This is history unfolding. like, I like it's like, and like, I remember my history teacher in eighth grade was like, this is history unfolding before our eyes. And I'm like,
Kim Rapach (01:00:41.644)
And my truth like it did impact me
Danielle Mccleerey (01:01:04.96)
Yeah, it's the before our eyes thing though that I think is the problem. Like, I don't know if I need to watch people jumping from a building and hearing the sound of them hitting the ground. I just don't know if I need that as like a 13 year old.
Kim Rapach (01:01:06.359)
I it's a problem. I need to watch people jumping from a building and hearing the sound of them hitting the ground. just don't know if I need that as a 13 year old. Yeah. My son was in kindergarten when he came home and told us about it. And I was in the school like, I'm sorry, what? You watched that live? Like, didn't you turn it off? Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:01:18.498)
Yeah. Yeah.
We watched that, you watched that live? Like they didn't turn it off. Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it's like, but it's like, you just can't ever, you're never, one thing I know you know this, cause you probably tell your clients this and I tell you this all the time is like, you cannot have a lot of people love you unless you are willing to have a lot of people hate you. And that's just the universal law of polarity. It's a universal law as real as gravity. We just don't talk about it a lot. And it's literally, it's Newton's third law of physics.
Kim Rapach (01:01:27.861)
Crazy. Yeah, it's like, but it's like you you just can't ever you're never one thing I I I know you know this because you probably tell your and I tell you this all the time. It's like you cannot have a lot of people love you unless you are willing to have a lot of people hate you. And that's just the universal law of polarity. It's a universal law of gravity. We just talked about it a lot. And it's literally it's Newton's third law of physics for every action is an equal and opposite reaction. So like if what you're doing in this world is not strong enough,
Danielle Mccleerey (01:01:52.303)
For every action, there's an equal and opposite reaction. So like, if what you're doing in this world is not strong enough to repel the wrong people, it's not strong enough to attract the right people. So like, Switzerland should never be the goal when it comes to content and when it comes to putting your art into the world. And that's been a huge thing I've had to learn personally is like, I just am here to share my truth. And I do have a lot of unpopular opinions. I don't share a lot of the same beliefs as
Kim Rapach (01:01:57.767)
to repel the wrong people, it's not strong enough to attract the right people. like Switzerland should never be the goal when it comes to content and when it comes to putting your art into the world. that's been a huge thing I've had to learn personally is like, I just in here to share my truth and they do have a lot of unpopular opinions. I don't share a lot of the same beliefs as other people in my communities, know, like the LGBT community, like being a woman.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:02:21.664)
other people in my communities, you know, like the LGBT community, like being a woman, like I don't feel oppressed. I don't feel like the world is out to get me. My sexuality is the least interesting thing about me, but for a long time I hid those facts because of fear of people misunderstanding my energy behind it. now I...
Kim Rapach (01:02:27.671)
I don't feel like the world is out to get me. My sexuality is the least interesting thing about me. For a long time I those facts because of fear of people misunderstanding my energy learning. Yeah. Well, and they still do misunderstand. You just don't have the fear to go along with it. I don't fear being turned into a mistaken person. Yeah. So. They never burn witches. They burn women.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:02:48.046)
I don't fear being burned at the stake anymore.
Yeah, I mean, they never burned witches. They burned women who had a voice.
Kim Rapach (01:02:55.709)
Tell me, have you, I'm gonna jump into more of the mental health piece. Have you had your own? So like the whole point of this is to give people hope. Right? Like for those of us who've had the dark night of the soul or a few.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:03:07.02)
Yeah.
Kim Rapach (01:03:12.575)
who are now thriving in our nervous systems, most importantly, but also in business, also in relationship, also just in our life, in our friendships and whatever. What would you say, what would you share that you've experienced? Because I think it's easy to look at you and go like, wow, you're amazing, you've got it all figured out. And if I could just be like Danielle.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:03:32.248)
Yeah, I mean...
Danielle Mccleerey (01:03:38.639)
I mean, you want me to be really honest is I'm in kind of a dark night of the soul right now. Like I, with this Pisces energy, like there's a lot of things in my business that I don't know if I want to continue on with. Like I have really unplugged from a lot of things over the last six months and that's caused income dips. That's caused some like self-worth questioning, like my worth. That's caused a lot of like, you know, me to take a step back and actually be like, who am I?
Kim Rapach (01:03:38.845)
I you know, maybe really honest is I'm in kind of the dark night of the soul right now. With this Pisces energy, like there's a lot of things in my business that I don't know if I want to continue on it. Like I have really unplugged from a lot of things over the last six months and that's caused income debts. That's caused some like self worth questioning, like that's caused a lot of like, you know, need to take a step back and actually be like, who am I?
Danielle Mccleerey (01:04:08.526)
So I'm kind of in one right now. My dad dying, you know, I've had abandonment wounds since I was 13, because my mom kicked me out. But I was able to like hide those or ignore those because I had my dad and my dad was the exact opposite. So where I had a mom like telling strangers not to compliment me because it would go to my head, which like, again, she's doing the best she can with the resources she had, you know, like I don't, I'm not mad at her. I love my mom and damn wish she had more resources, you know, like, but.
Kim Rapach (01:04:08.759)
I'm kind of in one right now my dad dying, you know, I I've had a bit of a boom since I was 13 But I was able to like hide those or ignore those because I had my dad and my dad was the exact opposite so where I had a mom like telling strangers not to compliment me because it would go to my head I don't I'm not mad at her. I love my mom and damn where she had more resources, you know, but
Danielle Mccleerey (01:04:35.618)
on the exact opposite end of that spectrum was my dad who like, I always say, like my joke is like, I could have farted and my dad would be like, that was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. Like that's how my dad was. And so when he died, was like, you want to talk about a dark night of the soul. Like everything fell apart. Like everything I was fell apart. Everything I thought I was fell apart. And I realized for the first time in my life, the difference between
Kim Rapach (01:04:38.679)
like I always say if I joke is like I could have farted and my dad would be like that was the greatest thing I've ever seen in my life. That's what my dad was. And so when he died it was like I to talk about a dark night of the soul. Like everything fell apart. Like everything I was fell apart. Everything I thought I was fell apart. And I realized for the first time in my life the difference between cerebrally understanding things and actually
Danielle Mccleerey (01:05:04.736)
cerebrally understanding things and actually embodying the change you want to see. And I always joke, I'm like, you know, who would have thought I would have taken a dead dad to heal my visibility wounds, but here we are. so, yeah, I mean, it gets dark. And I think, I think you have to, when you unplug from the matrix, right, when you unplug from the way that you're expected to be, which is the matrix.
Kim Rapach (01:05:11.579)
I'm like, you know, who would have thought I would have taken a dead dad to heal my visibility rooms. But here we are. so yeah, I mean, it gets dark. And I think, I think you have to, when you unplug from the matrix, right? When you unplug from the way that you're expected to be, which is the matrix, it'd be so, I wish that I could come on here and like tell your audience, like, don't worry, you can unplug.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:05:32.685)
It'd be so, I wish that I could come on here and like tell your audience like, don't worry, you can unplug and like your money's gonna keep flowing and everything's gonna keep being great. It's just not the case. Like because the matrix rewards you staying plugged in and it rewards you by giving your brain that cortisol, adrenaline, dopamine rush that keeps you in fight or flight and keeps your parasympathetic nervous system on vacation. that's what happens. And so when you actually make the choice to unplug,
Kim Rapach (01:05:38.471)
money is going to keep flowing and everything's going keep being great. It's just not the case. Because the matrix rewards you staying plugged in and it rewards you by giving your brain that cortisol, adrenaline, dopamine rush that keeps you in fight or flight and keeps your parasympathetic nervous system on vacation. that's what happens. And so when you actually make the choice to unplug, it's going to feel like you're dying. Like it's going to feel so uncomfortable. It's going to feel like everything is falling apart.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:06:02.007)
it's going to feel like you're dying. Like it's gonna feel so uncomfortable. It's gonna feel like everything is falling apart because again, back to what we were talking about earlier, it is. And it has to. And the greatest moments will come from your ability to choose unfamiliar peace over and over and over again, no matter how much it feels like you're dying.
Kim Rapach (01:06:08.375)
Because again, back to what we were talking about earlier, it is. is. And it has to. It has to. And the greatest moments will come from your ability to choose unfamiliar peace over and over and over again. No matter how much it feels like you're dying. Because if you will, you'll feel like you're dying. You'll feel like you'll feel like it is wrong because your income dips, things, you know,
Danielle Mccleerey (01:06:30.69)
Cause it, will, you'll feel like you're dying. You'll feel like, you'll feel like it is wrong because your income dips things, you know, the things that we've been taught are the priority. When they go away, you really get to know who you are. So the best hope that I can give you is like, no, it's not going to be sunshine and rainbows. And that will be the greatest thing that ever happens to you. Think about like a bow and arrow. Okay. If you just.
Kim Rapach (01:06:38.295)
The things that we've been taught are the priority. When they go away, you really get to know who you are. the best hope that I can give you is like, no, it's not going to be sunshine and rainbows. And that will be the greatest thing that ever happens to you. Think about like a bow and arrow. Okay. If you just pull back a bow and arrow a little bit, that arrow is not going to shoot very far. And I think a lot of people, want to like pull back a bow and arrow a little bit, but they want to like keep their
Danielle Mccleerey (01:07:00.398)
pull back the bone arrow a little bit, that arrow's not gonna shoot very far. And I think a lot of people, they wanna like pull back the bone arrow a little bit, but they wanna like keep their thing over here and they wanna, it's like when I quit SoulCycle, I was teaching SoulCycle for 10 years, my central nervous system was fucked, like high cortisol, high adrenaline, like I had the cortisol levels of a cave woman running from a jungle cat all the time. And when I decided to unplug from that matrix, I got fat.
Kim Rapach (01:07:27.475)
I was so depressed about it.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:07:28.652)
Like my body changed significantly and I was so depressed about it, but I had to realize like, no, my body's been holding on so tight for so long, know, like gritting my teeth all the time that when I made that choice, like everything softened. It had to. So like I had to gain weight, which was uncomfortable for me because I'd always been a fitness person and a dancer and judged on my body.
Kim Rapach (01:07:38.087)
I
Danielle Mccleerey (01:07:54.351)
So I had to feel what the other side of that felt like. I had to know what it felt like to not drink energy drinks and protein bars all day. I had to know what it was like to nourish my body intuitively. I was hardcore vegan for almost 20 years. And in the last two years, my dad, four years since my dad died, I've incorporated some eggs back into my diet. I eat dairy sometimes. And it's not because I, and that was so uncomfortable for me, but I was like, if I'm gonna do this, I have to do it.
Kim Rapach (01:08:07.991)
And in the last two years since my dad four years since my dad died I incorporated some eggs back into my diet. I eat dairy sometimes and it's not because I And that was so uncomfortable for me, but I was like if I'm gonna do this I have to do it and I can't just pick and choose if I'm gonna regulate my nervous system I have to understand that like everything has to change I want pull that bone back so far that when I shoot it, it's like it's going so far you can't even see it
Danielle Mccleerey (01:08:23.192)
and I can't just pick and choose. If I'm gonna regulate my nervous system, I have to understand that like everything has to change because I wanna pull that bow and arrow back so far that when I shoot it, it's like it's going so far you can't even see it. Like the growth is gonna be, the trajectory is gonna be unimaginable. And I think a lot of people wanna just pull it back enough and that's what we do. We pull back a little bit and then we get a little bit farther and we're like, okay, see, it's good. But then it's like, but like that act of,
Kim Rapach (01:08:37.911)
like the growth is going to be the trajectory is going to be unimaginable. think a lot of people want to just pull back enough. And that's what we do. We pull back a little bit and then we get a little bit further and we're like, okay, see, it's good. But then it's like, but like, act of constantly having to pull back a little bit, like I'd rather just go for it and pull it all the way back and then shoot that sucker so far that we don't have to have this conversation again for a few years. Yeah, you just described me going from a therapist to a coach, like these weekly one hour, you
Danielle Mccleerey (01:08:52.174)
Constantly having to pull back a little bit like I'd rather just go for it and pull it all the way back And then shoot that sucker so far that we don't have to have this conversation again for a few years
Danielle Mccleerey (01:09:05.634)
That's it, right? Everything changed.
Kim Rapach (01:09:07.831)
53 minute conversations that don't really help to diving into what is your body telling you and this is gonna hurt and it's gonna suck and on the other side you are gonna have emotional freedom.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:09:15.278)
I mean, yeah, it's gonna suck.
And I honestly think like, love therapy. went through therapy after my divorce. Yeah, mean, therapy is so good for the awareness. It is an awareness piece. And if you've been in therapy for 10 years for the same issue and you've had no resolve, you're being ripped off. Like point-blank period, you're being ripped off and you've, they haven't done their job. They've been keeping you sucked in. They've been keeping you plugged into the matrix just enough, but they've been giving you a little bit of pullback and a little bit of shooting the arrow, like pulling the arrow back a little bit and shooting it forward.
Kim Rapach (01:09:23.165)
I have an IFS therapist. Yeah, I love it. Your therapist hasn't done their work. Such an interesting perspective.
And a little bit of shooting the barrel, like pulling the air back a little bit and shooting it forward. It's like, think that's the difference between the work I do now and therapy is like, I'm not a therapist. I don't have, I don't have a clinical degree, but what I do have is the life experience and the certifications and like the life application of like, sometimes you gotta just burn it all. You gotta let it die in order to be rebuilt.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:09:50.137)
And it's like, I think that's the difference between the work I do now and therapy is like, I'm not a therapist. I don't have a clinical degree. But what I do have is the life experience and the certifications and like the life application of like, sometimes you gotta just burn it all. You gotta let it die in order to be rebuilt. Like you just have to.
Kim Rapach (01:10:16.585)
Like you just have to. Yep. And it'll be the best thing you ever do, even if in the moment it feels, but that's why you get support. That's why you have a support system of people that have done it. Yep. You know, because if you're just surrounding yourself with people that are only pulling that arrow back a little bit, yeah, you're not supported now. And it's going to be really hard to follow through with that. So I would tell your audience, make sure you have support. Make sure you have somebody like him in your corner, you know, like, follow me on Instagram. Like you have people in your corner that have
Danielle Mccleerey (01:10:18.988)
And it'll be the best thing you ever do, even if in the moment it feels, but that's why you get support. That's why you have a support system of people that have done it. You know, because if you're just surrounding yourself with people that are only pulling that arrow back a little bit, yeah, you're not supported now and it's going to be really hard to follow through with that. So I would tell your audience, like, make sure you have support. Make sure you have somebody like Kim in your corner, you know, like come follow me on Instagram. Like you have people in your corner that have literally burned it all.
Kim Rapach (01:10:46.475)
literally burned it all to the ground and I'll do it again. Yeah. Because I can't you do it once you can do it again. Yeah. Well, I just I've rent an office from the business that I built. And so I sold my practice to one of my clinicians and I now I just rent space for for my local people. And it's just like, I say I can do it again. Yeah, so full circle and it's thriving and she's thriving. And it's right where she's meant to be. And exactly what the practice needed.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:10:48.664)
to the ground and I'll do it again. Cause like once you do it once you, can do it again. So.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:11:03.533)
amazing.
It's amazing. That's full circle.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Kim Rapach (01:11:16.375)
and it wasn't for me anymore and it was hard to walk away and I mean it was hard to work out some details but it was just like I knew what I knew.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:11:17.036)
Yeah. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:11:25.974)
Yeah, that's awesome.
Kim Rapach (01:11:27.669)
You I recently just had probably one of the most powerful, you know, you have those moments and you're like, okay, this would not have happened a year ago or 10 years ago where I was just in this really dark space. I had just gone through something really, really, really unexpected and painful. And I was just, I was a little catatonic, not gonna lie, but it was over the course of like four to six days. And I just kept saying, I'm just in the middle.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:11:43.0)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm little functional freeze mm-hmm
Kim Rapach (01:11:54.813)
I know this is for me. This hurts like hell. There is a time it would have taken me out and I'd be wanting to wrap my car around a tree, but I'm not. I'm here. I'm safe. And I know it's happening for me and I know it's, I'm going to be better on the other side. Just let me get through. can't, I'm no longer interested in jumping around things like, okay, here it is. We're going through it. And like, got goosebumps again, but it's just, and then like you feel like I feel the growth on the other side of those experiences.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:11:55.0)
Yep. Yep. Yep.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:12:02.572)
Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:12:16.973)
Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:12:22.926)
Yeah, I mean, the only way out of it is through it. And I think if you're trying to get through a one way town in any other way than just going down the one way, it's going to take you a lot longer. yeah, I mean, I'm in that right now. Like, I feel like I've been in the in-between. And you know, my psychic, I meet with a psychic at the beginning of every year and she does like my year at a glance and she goes, listen, May, June, July, August, that's your time. Like that's when all of these things that you're in the middle of right now are going to like take shape and they're going to fly and it's going to be
Kim Rapach (01:12:24.533)
Yeah, mean the only way out of it is through it. Yeah. think if you're trying to get through a one way town, in any other way than just going down the one way, it's going to take you a lot longer.
And yeah, I I'm in that right now. I feel like I've been in the in-between. you know, my sidekick, I meet with a sidekick at the beginning of every year and she does like my neurotic glance and she goes. It's amazing. May, June, July, August, that's your time. Like that's when all of these things that you're in the middle of right now are going to like take shape and they're going to fly and it's going to be a really incredible summer.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:12:51.574)
a really incredible summer. The growth though is going to be bumpy. And so she's like, you got it. You're going to have to sit through some uncomfortable moments this like January, February, March. And I'm like, can't wait. But it's true. And I think in the past, I would have like, tried to apply a different solution or been like, no, I'm going to do this instead. Like, it's fine. I'll just do this. Pull the arrow back a little bit. But I've really been forcing myself to sit in these uncomfortable moments of like, I don't know the how. I don't know what it's going to look like.
Kim Rapach (01:12:54.965)
The growth though is going to be bumpy. And so she's like, you got it. You're going to have to sit through some uncomfortable moments. This like January, February, March. like, Oh, can't wait. But it's true. And I think in the past, I would have like, tried to apply a different solution or been like, no, just going to do this instead. Like, it's fine. I'll just do this. Pull the arrow back a little bit. I've really been forcing myself to sit in these uncomfortable moments of like, I don't know the how. I don't know what it's going to look like. I'm just going to take one intuitive, playful step at a time.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:13:21.644)
I'm just gonna take one intuitive, playful step at a time and trust Pisces season. If there's anything about, we're recording this on the first day of Pisces season, so this is great. Pisces season is about trust. It's about unplugging and not needing to know the how. It's the opposite of your Virgo sun. So we're on the opposite axis of your Virgo sun right now. So that line between what is real and what is delusion and can you trust
Kim Rapach (01:13:24.919)
and trust. I see season if there's anything about we're recording this on the first day of I see season. So this is this is great. Amazing season is about trust. It's about unplugging and not needing to know the opposite. It's the opposite of your Virgo Sun. So we're in the opposite axis of your Virgo Sun right now. So that line between what is real and what is delusion and can you trust the how will take shape? Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:13:51.212)
the how will take shape.
Not well, but I'm trying.
Kim Rapach (01:13:55.033)
Not well, but I'm trying. Yeah. Well, thank you for being honest about that.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:14:01.613)
Yeah. But see, that's just proof, right? It's like, I'm still here. I'm still moving. I'm still grooving. Like life is still happening. It's just the and, and there's an in-between.
Kim Rapach (01:14:02.429)
I think it's easy and yeah, well, and again, I mean, back to where we first started, you know, just me finding you and you were talking about how you were successful and you're also miserable. You were crushing it in business and you were miserable. And that's what I people to talk about.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:14:24.674)
Yep. And in the past, yeah, I mean, and in the past that took me out, right? Like I let that go for way too long. Like I stayed miserable for way too long in the name of a paycheck, in the name of making sure I didn't let people down. Now, which is what I'm in now, I'm not willing to do that anymore. So I don't wait as long. So the second my gut, my intuition, my sacral authority goes, something's off. I go, okay, well then let's figure it out. Let's do it. Let's figure it out.
Kim Rapach (01:14:31.257)
Same. Same.
now, which is what I'm in now, I'm not willing to do that anymore. So I don't wait as long. So the second my gut, my intuition, my sacral authority goes, something's off. go, okay, well then let's figure it out. Let's do it. Let's figure it out. So the better, the more you do it, the more you're willing to unplug, the easier the unplugging becomes. Yeah. And normalizing dreams change, goals change, relationships change, life changes. I sit here and teach people transformation all day long.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:14:53.678)
So the better, the more you do it, the more you're willing to unplug, the easier the unplugging becomes.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:15:04.498)
I sit here and teach people transformation all day long. Who would I be if I wasn't transforming at the same rate? And I used to demonize myself over how fast I grew and how fast I transformed. I used to demonize myself over that. And I think a lot of that was like, my mom used to be like, you change your mind, like you change your underwear. so this belief was that that was wrong. But now it's my genius, it's my superpower. I, God bless my wife, because I'm always like, you.
Kim Rapach (01:15:09.405)
That's right.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:15:34.21)
To be my friend, to be my client, to be my wife, to be in my life, you really gotta hold on for the ride because if you knew me six months ago, you didn't. But think of how much hope that gives people when you can honor that part of yourself.
Kim Rapach (01:15:45.67)
Yeah, honor yourself and honor the you know, whether you're talking about the human experience human design what what story whatever Like things are gonna change. It's not personal
Danielle Mccleerey (01:16:02.882)
No, it is personal. It is personal and that's the point. It's not personal. It's an and it's not personal to that person, but it's personal to me. And my growth is personal to me. And if you take that personally, well, guess what? That trigger is the best gift you've ever been given. I am not the person. I think jealousy and triggers are the greatest gift we're given. It is divine guidance. I'm triggered by something, something needs to heal.
Kim Rapach (01:16:18.281)
Well, guess what? That trigger is the best gift you've ever been given. Right. I am not the person. think jealousy and triggers are the greatest gift we're given. Yep. It's a fine guidance. Triggers are invitations. Something needs to heal. Thank God I have that fine post. If I'm jealous of someone, my intuition is literally saying, I want that. Yeah. Yeah. I want that. We need to normalize that.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:16:32.194)
God, I have that signpost. If I'm jealous of someone, my intuition is literally saying, I want that.
I want that.
We need to normalize it. We need to normalize selfishness as not demonize it or try to change the definition of it. It's not selfish to take care of yourself. Yeah, it is. That's the literal definition of it, actually. It's the literal definition of selfishness. So it's not the definition we need to change. It's how we feel about it. It's not the definition of jealousy we need to change. It's how we feel about it. It's not the definition of being triggered. Everything, God, the internet. I'm so sick of the internet being like trigger warning. Like stop trying to not trigger people.
Kim Rapach (01:16:43.541)
That's
Danielle Mccleerey (01:17:10.754)
Like there's a difference, now listen, there's a difference. If you're coming to things to trigger people, then that's your own wounding pattern of needing to shock people in order to feel loved or feel like worthy, right? Like you need that adrenaline spike in your own body. That's not what I'm talking about. But like if you're sharing a very vulnerable story and you feel the need to be like trigger warning, no, you don't get to control other people's emotions. You don't get to control other people's reactions.
If someone else is triggered by your vulnerability and your authenticity, that is their work, not yours.
Kim Rapach (01:17:40.335)
That is so
brilliant and I have a lot of talk about a lot of conversations about how so much pressure is put on nurses, doctors, therapists especially that therapists are responsible for their clients emotions and whether or not they choose to stay on this earth and it's like what no you're not responsible for any of that
Danielle Mccleerey (01:17:59.19)
No, you're not responsible for any of that. I'm not responsible for my client's experience. I'm not responsible. I'm responsible for creating the space and honoring the commitment that I say I'm going to make. That is what I am responsible for and that is it.
Kim Rapach (01:18:13.017)
I love that so much. again more conditioning
Danielle Mccleerey (01:18:17.038)
If you try to be responsible for everyone's experience, everyone's results, everyone's everything, then that just goes back to like, you're looking outside of yourself. You're trying, you're addicted to praise and outside validation. Like I like myself, everyone else's like is extra. And if, as long as I stay committed to doing the things I say I'm gonna do, then if you come into my space and you pay for my container, your experience is your responsibility. If you come into my container and you never show up to a call,
Kim Rapach (01:18:20.913)
experience, everyone's results, everyone's everything, then that just goes back to like you're looking outside of yourself. You're trying, you're addicted to praise and outside validation. I like myself, everyone else's life is extra. As long as I stay committed to doing the things I say I'm going to do, then if you come into my space and you pay for my container, your experience is your responsibility. If you come into my container and you never show up to a call, that's not on me.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:18:46.882)
That's not on me. You know, if you email me and say, I never got that information emailed to me, that's not on me. I'm sending out the information. If you unsubscribed from my emails, you can't ask me why you didn't get an email. That's not on me.
Kim Rapach (01:18:50.807)
email me and say, I never got that information emailed to me. That's not on me. I'm sending out the information. If you unsubscribe from my emails, you can't ask me why you didn't get an email. That's not on me. You if you missed the email about the retreat that I'm having, that's not on me. Yep. Yeah.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:19:02.976)
You know, if you miss the email about the retreat that I'm having, that's not on me.
Kim Rapach (01:19:09.877)
Yeah, we project so much. And I, you know, I love, I just love the work that you're doing. I think it's brilliant. I'm so grateful to have found you and met you and get to work with you and now get to share you on the podcast. And yeah, this is fun. I love this conversation. Thank you for having me. Absolutely. Thank you for being here. All right. I'll see you in the, in your container somewhere on Instagram or
Danielle Mccleerey (01:19:17.198)
Thank you. Ditto.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:19:24.374)
Yeah, this is fun. I loved this conversation. Thank you for having me.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:19:34.636)
I know, I'll see you on our call in a week.
Kim Rapach (01:19:39.029)
What's that? I said I'll see you when I call in a week. Exactly. All right. Thanks Danielle.
Danielle Mccleerey (01:19:40.268)
I said, I'll see you on a call in a week.