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Nathalie Dowgray: Hello, welcome to the
January episode of Chattering with ISFM.
I'm Nathalie Dowgray, Head of ISFM
and host of this month's podcast.
First up this month, I'm speaking with Dr.
Charalampos Attipa, who's been involved
in the research work investigating the
feline coronavirus infection that's
led to the outbreak of FIP in Cyprus.
We're also featuring our monthly
JFMS clinical spotlight interview.
This month, the focus is on the diagnosis
of invasive fungal infections.I'm speaking
with Professor Vanessa Barrs on the
first of her two articles on the subject.
We'll be back again in a few months
talking with Vanessa about the treatment
of these infections, but this month we're
going to be focusing on the diagnosis.
How did you first hear about the FIP
outbreak that was occurring in Cyprus?
Charalampos Attipa: Yeah.
I was actually writing my thesis back
then in January, and I was actually
in Cyprus at the time, and we set
up a small laboratory in Cyprus.
The small laboratory was working the past
two years, and this was this January, we
started receiving a lot of fluids, a lot
of CSF,we have a lot of cats with ascites.
So yeah, actually it was there
when everything unfolded in front
of our eyes and we picked it up
via a clinical pathology route.
Nathalie Dowgray: So for those of the
audience, like me, who aren't virologists,
what can you say is different about
this strain of feline coronavirus?
Charalampos Attipa: Obviously, of
course, as we know, when it comes
to feline coronavirus, we have two
biotypes, the enteric version as well
as the feline infection peritonitis.
Now, what happened with feline infection
peritonitis, this random event inside
the cat that is causing a single base
mutation, typically in the spike of
the of the enteric version and the
feline infection peritonitis version
of the virus appears that is getting
functionality and increase virulence.
However, it loses this
ability to transmit.
So nature managed to balance,
to become more pathogenic, but
it's not transmissible anymore.
What happened in this case of
FCOV23 is that not only do we have
a gain of functionality, increased
virulence, however, we also had
an increased transmissibility.
It was not the case with
the previous FIPV viruses.
So that's why this outbreak
started, because this mutation
also became transmissible.
Nathalie Dowgray: These sort of changes
really then are indicating it's the
increased transmissibility that's really
leading to the increased FIP cases.
Is that right?
Charalampos Attipa: Absolutely.
Yes.
And here what we have, we
don't have that, just a single
nucleotide single based mutation.
In this case, we have the entire
insertion of the spike protein from
a dog pantropic canine coronaviruses.
So the kind of spike protein
from a canine coronavirus.
In that case, a very nasty canine
coronavirus came and was inserted in the
feline coronavirus that led to this new
FCOV23 virus and somehow we didn't have
just a simple combination of just one pair
base, but the entire spike protein of the
dog got inserted to the feline coronavirus
and that gave them that transmissibility.
And again, this dog pantropic
coronavirus has been circulating
in Greece and presumably Balkan and
all Middle East for a few decades
and caused a very nasty disease.
And pantropic means that it was
in many cells and is causing
much more severe disease in dogs.
So most likely that gave a lot of
properties and transmissibility to
the new virus that emerged in Cyprus.
Nathalie Dowgray: Gosh.
And so potentially this is something that
could happen again in these countries
where the pantropic canine virus is?
Charalampos Attipa: Potentially, yes.
Maybe potentially this is what
happened to that historic outbreak
that was reported in Greece a few
decades ago, was never published.
So potentially there was something to
do with this kind of pantropic virus.
In this case, however,
it's something beyond that.
The virus is very stable.
Pretty much all the cases of FIP has
the same virus from January to today.
Of course, we do see some cases of FIP
with the classic virus, but the vast
majority of them is this new FCOV23.
Nathalie Dowgray: What we've seen is not
necessarily a benefit of the coronavirus
outbreak that we've experienced in the
human side of things, um, it's had a
benefit for our FIP cases in the sense
that we've now got a lot more availability
and use of antivirals for our cats.
Um, but also on the people side of
things, it's led to a massive rise
in the development of vaccines.
Um, do you think we're going to see
the same for, for our feline cases?
Charalampos Attipa: Yeah.
Another positive thing with this
devastating outbreak is that at
the moment there's a huge media
attention to FIP in the cat population
and also the sparked interest.
And obviously because it's
also coronavirus, it's spiking
the interest even more.
So at the moment, there is a lot
of discussion from some of the big
pharmaceutical companies to potentially
manufacture a new vaccine for FIP.
As there's already one that's already
available, but it's not very effective.
And I think also your society does
not suggest to use that vaccine.
So we need a new, much more
effective vaccine for our cats.
So potentially, this is something
that can happen in the future.
This echoes so well what has happened
with the human COVID 19 pandemic.
Initially, there was no vaccine.
Suddenly, there is plethora of vaccines.
And now that accelerate the mRNA vaccines,
we actually have brought a revolution in
all vaccinology, not only for SARS COV 19.
Nathalie Dowgray: In terms of this
sort of event and this change that's
increasing the risk of transmissibility,
is there any indication that we maybe
should be doing something different
to try and prevent cats from becoming
exposed to this strain compared to
our normal preventative measures?
Is it still an oral faecal transmission?
Charalampos Attipa: Usually we are
suspecting, and obviously coronavirus
is that it would transmit naturally,
and this is what we suspect
is happening also with COV 23.
Again, we need to do more experiments,
we need to culture the virus, and
obviously do some more epidemiological
work to answer that question.
But the fact that the same virus is
present throughout the island, every
month, indicates that this is the most
likely cause, way of transmission.
Currently there is a
suspected case in Netherlands.
And the very interesting thing is
that the cat was imported to the
Netherlands in March from Cyprus.
It has only developed clinical signs now.
So this is something very
strange, having such a long
incubation period of six months.
So again, this is
something very interesting.
It's something very new.
We haven't published yet, 1st time
to hear it here in this podcast is
that at the moment, we've seen cycles
of an increased of, it's called dry
forms of FIP we see way more now.
So mostly, the haemological
changes, the new response changes.
Also the, the way that the
case presents is changing.
Nathalie Dowgray: So tthat's really
concerning in the sense that we might
have quite a long tail, especially with
cats that may have been transported out
of Cyprus and to other countries, where
maybe there isn't that awareness yet.
So hopefully we'll raise a
bit more awareness through
doing this podcast as well.
Thank you so much for your time.
Charalampos Attipa: Oh, thank you so much.
Nathalie Dowgray: And now I'm speaking
with Professor Vanessa Barrs on
invasive fungal infections and oomycosis
in cats, the diagnostic approach.
I was wondering what you would advise
we do as a general sort of baseline
workup in cases where we're potentially
suspecting an invasive fungal infection?
Vanessa Barrs: Yeah, look, I think
that's a good case for doing basic
CBC biochem and retrovirus testing,
which I always do for sick cats to
just know if they've got FIV or FELV.
It doesn't mean that you can't treat
them, but it's always good to be
informed because you might need to
treat them for a little bit longer.
And, even with the CBC, even though
there's not specific changes,
sometimes there's little flags.
And hyperglobulinemia is not just all
about FIP, I know that's probably what
most people commonly think of when
they see a hyperglobulinemia in a cat
but it can be quite common in these
invasive fungal infections as well.
In fact, I think about 60 percent of
cats with sporotrichosis will have
hyperglobulinemia, in some of the
invasive aspergillosis, like sino-orbital
aspergillosis, it's quite common as well.
So that can be a little flag.
And of course, eosinophilia, don't
just think allergy or parasites.
It's not that common, but when it occurs,
I always think about fungi as well.
You know, you think about fungal
inflammation, you get fungal
granulomas and they're full of
monocytes, and you can get activation
of the vitamin D pathway there.
So that can cause hypercalcemia and that's
been seen in things like dermatophytic
pseudomycetoma, histoplasmosis,
blastomycosis, things like that.
I would start there and then I would
move on to the fungal antigen or antibody
tests.
Nathalie Dowgray: Cool.
And how would you recommend we approach
those discussions maybe with our local
laboratory to find out what testing is
available and what the advantages and
disadvantages of the tests that they have?
Vanessa Barrs: I think the first thing is
to think about what's likely to occur in
your area and you're going to be thinking
not only about where you're practising
, but also what kind of clinical signs
your animal is presenting with.
So, anywhere in the world, if you've
got a cat with nasal signs, you
might want to think about ruling out
cryptococcosis and the great thing about
cryptococcosis is that you can make a
definitive diagnosis on a blood test, a
non invasive blood test, which is great.
And then if you're practicing in the
Midwestern, South Central, or Southeast
US and you've got a cat that's got
respiratory distress or or tachypnoea
or dyspnoea, you might be thinking about
doing a histoplasma antigen test on urine.
But then if you're working in Arizona
and you've got a cat with the same
signs, you might think about doing
serology testing for coccidioidomycosis.
So that's the first things to think about.
And then the next thing would be to get on
the phone and ask your lab to provide you
with some data on the prevalence because
they're the ones that are providing the
tests and they should be able to let you
know what they're seeing most commonly,
but it's also good to ask them about,
what is the test that they're using and do
they have any data on the efficacy of it?
A lot of these tests have been
published in terms of sensitivity
and specificity has been
investigated by feline researchers.
So, ask the lab to provide you with
those references and that can really
help you as a vet work out whether
you've been using that test or not.
Nathalie Dowgray: And actually,
that's I guess another source of
kind of monitoring data, isn't it?
Looking at the lab, what's being
submitted, what's coming back positive,
again, is another source for us looking
at changes and spread over time.
In terms of the workup, obviously
advanced imaging then came up again,
depending on presenting signs.
And how, how do you decide
what modality to use?
Vanessa Barrs: IIt depends on which
part of the cat you're going to image.
So what is the clinical
presentation, and also, what
modality you've got available to you.
When it comes to choice between
between CT and radiography.
If it's a cat with nasal signs, if I've
got the option of doing a CT first off,
that would be wonderful because obviously
you can get really good information about
the soft tissues as well as the bony
structures without any problems oof super
imposition of soft tissues and bone that
might obscure the underlying pathology.
So, that's great.
But, you might not have
the option of that.
And in that situation, then, plain
radiography is a good place to start.
Also you want to think about, what
is the best return diagnostically for
you and financially for your owner?
And if it's a case that you know is going
to be referred, then you might think about
whether it can just be done all at once.
If it's a cat that's got neurological
signs and you're thinking about
fungal infections, it might have
upper respiratory signs as well.
Obviously in that situation, the modality
that I really want to use this is an MRI.
But if in doubt, there's quite a lot
of fungal infections that do have
some abnormalities on chest x rays.
So, it would never be a bad
thing to take a chest x ray.
Nathalie Dowgray: So, is there
anything additional we need to
mention to the lab when we're
sending the fluid in for cytology?
Vanessa Barrs: It's always good if you're
suspecting a fungal infection just to
let them know that it's one possibility
because, often for things like BAL, when
they're doing cytology, they're going
to be using dif quick or other modified
Romanowsky type stains, and sometimes the
fungal elements are negatively staining.
So, if it's something you've flagged,
your pathologist might just spend a little
bit more time looking at the sample.
Nathalie Dowgray: Now that makes sense.
Brilliant.
Oh, thank you for that.
I think that's been really helpful to
start to think about these kinds of
infections, how they might be increasing
in prevalence and what we need to be
thinking about to, to diagnose them.
So, part two of our podcast with
you is then going to be very
much focusing on the treatment.
So that will be coming for, for people
in the, in the next few months, but thank
you very much for, for talking about
the diagnosis with us today, Vanessa.
Vanessa Barrs: Oh, that's
my absolute pleasure.
Thank you Nathalie
Nathalie Dowgray: Thank you for listening.
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