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Candid conversations about business, parenting and life with good friends Kyle Wood (bootcampideas.com) and Dale Sidebottom (energetic.education).
Kyle Wood: Hello everyone.
And welcome back to a very special
episode of the Dale and Kyle show.
Dale Sidebottom: doing a, where
Kyle Wood: Today we're
doing a, where are they now?
Because, um, it's been
ages since we recorded an
episode and it's been ages since
I've caught up with, with, Dale.
So I was like, let's catch up and
then also share what we've been up to.
I think that'd be interesting.
Dale Sidebottom: be interesting.
Love that.
Thanks, Kyle.
That's great.
How long ago was the last episode?
I know.
Do you know off the top of your head?
Cause I know we were
talking about that before.
It's funny how we did
this for so many, did this for so many
years together and then I need to stop
and it's, I bet it's been a long time.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, could you stop and
then start again and then, you know,
like, you were just talking about
having kids and being tired and we've
both had kids in that time as well.
Uh, so episodes, the last
one was November 1st, 2021.
So it's been like two and a half years.
Dale Sidebottom: Jeez.
It's a long time, mate.
It didn't
feel like that because we're
doing them weekly or as a fortnightly.
Kyle Wood: were doing them weekly
sort of through Uh, From like the
start of COVID and then I guess
November 2021 was sort of when things
were starting to go back to normal.
So we then were like both off
doing other business things.
Dale Sidebottom: Trying to, trying
to resurrect our businesses.
Don't you mean?
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
That's been, maybe we'll
talk about it today.
That's been, that's been a slow, it's been
like the slowest thing I've ever done.
Dale Sidebottom: Coming back from COVID to
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, yeah.
And at some point I'm like, At what
point can I keep blaming COVID for this?
But I think, you know, it,
it did really disrupt things.
So, um, yeah, I felt it.
And then I think having like, people
have been feeling it financially so that,
that there's been like this double, it
wasn't just one thing, it was two things.
So yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: understandable, mate.
Yeah,
Kyle Wood: But where, where
should we start with this?
You were just telling me
about
Actually, yeah, because I think during
COVID was when you were, and with
the last recording, you were really
changing gears and trying to
do
more of this.
You've like released your book,
the, um,
uh, all work, no play.
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
good, good memory.
Yeah.
Kyle Wood: And Yeah.
it's on the shelf here.
Um, and then you were trying to get,
like spread that message.
You did like a TEDx
talk.
Um, and Yeah, and then, and then yeah,
so how, it's like, how's that been going?
Dale Sidebottom: how's that been going?
Like you running a business where
people need to be face to face and they
subscribe to what you do because you
give them ideas and that was shut down.
And obviously that's
hard.
Whereas my predominantly business
is I get people in a room and
I give them an experience.
You know, I create a fun environment that.
You know, has underlying messages
and backed by science to improve
their mental, physical well being.
Obviously, I couldn't do that.
Um, and at the time when
we're going through all that, it
was really challenging, but if I'm
going to be a little bit, uh, blunt
here, COVID's actually probably been
a blessing for me with what I do.
Um, like with what you just said,
Kyle, you know, people, Are still
struggling with the effects of
what that might have had on them.
And everybody was affected differently.
But, um, a lot of people
now, uh, you know, don't like
going into social situations.
They find it uncomfortable.
They don't know how to have fun.
They don't know how to connect
all these things that I think pre
COVID, we sort of took for granted.
Um, so it's strange.
A lot of my work now I'm getting
corporate spring up and say, Oh, we
can't get people back in the office.
Can you just come and do a session
to, Help them have fun and connect.
I'm like, yeah, I,
yeah, I can do that.
Not a problem.
And, or like, um, I'm getting schools
ringing up and say, our kids don't
know how to socialize, they don't know
how to mingle, can you once again,
just get them to come and have fun.
And I'm like, wow, before COVID
I'd have all these underlying.
Messages and themes and
objectives to tick off.
Whereas now people are just
saying, come in and do what you do.
So if anything, COVID has probably
amplified the importance of play and,
you know, relationships and connection.
And, um, through that play, when you
can make people feel safe, that's when.
All these things that people are
struggling with at the moment,
they sort of dwindle away.
Um, if people don't feel safe, it
doesn't matter what environment
they're in, Kyle, they're not going
to, they're not going to be able to
blossom or find that joy in any area.
So I think I've been very fortunate
that COVID allowed me to go away from
the stigma of just being a fitness
guy or a PE guy, you know, where
I ran, you know, predominantly
movement based sessions using play.
Um, and I found a way now to.
Yeah, use that to improve mental and
physical wellbeing through play, but
activities that you can do sitting down.
And, um, yeah, it's been
amazing to be honest.
Um, for a long time, I had so many
people go, Oh, Dale, like what's
the evidence to back up what you do?
And I'll go, Oh, just get in the room.
You've got to feel it.
And they're like, well,
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: last year I did a full
year study with La Trobe University and I
had, um, I had three of their professors
follow me around and, uh, get data
from a number of my one hour fun shops.
I call them.
Um, and the
results are incredible, um,
around like people's improved
mental wellbeing, reduced
Kyle Wood: Oh, wow.
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
So I've got that now, which
Kyle Wood: That's so cool.
Dale Sidebottom: like, nobody's
really doing what I'm doing.
So they were really
fascinated and the results are amazing.
So this year they've given me.
More, they've given me two more students
and we've got two different studies going
on, um, around I'm running programs in
primary school and secondary schools.
Now, where I go in and teach the
student leaders how to run this 20
week course that we've created and
give them, you know, the student agency
is called and voice and leadership.
So then they champion
that across their school.
Um,
Kyle Wood: So the actual students
are doing this, not, Yeah, wow.
Dale Sidebottom: So once again,
like there's nothing like this done.
And so
I'm pretty excited about it.
We start the study, um, at the
start of term three, it's taken a
long haul to get off and off the
ground, but we've got schools on
board and we've got it all sorted.
And, um, yeah, I'm, I'm really excited
for it because once, once I can show
the impact it can have by training
students to do what I do, the reach that.
The programs I've created will have
so much more impact instead of me
have to be in the room, you know, you
can have 40 student leaders running
those programs for other students in
their school, um, for the staff, for
families, some are going to other schools
and running them for aged care centers,
uh, Yeah, so it's really cool, mate.
So yeah, that's probably
where it's all coming.
Um, I did have a number of brands and
I've created a whole umbrella company now
called the school of play and everything
goes really nicely under that.
And
it's sort of like all these loose
ends I had for so many years,
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: so many
things now it all makes sense.
Um, and yeah, man, I think it's,
for me, that's really exciting.
Yeah.
I was always trying new things and
trying to figure out what, what I
was going to do or what would work.
And now after doing this eight or nine
years, I know exactly what I do, where I'm
going and the direction I want to have.
Um, yeah, so obviously I would like
to have that a little bit earlier,
but I think you only find that
out by trying new things and you.
Uh, the master of the assuming how
many things have you tried over the
years to figure out what works for you.
You don't know and we're both in
the field of creating something
that hasn't been done before.
So, um, yeah, I think that's
sort of where I'm at, mate.
What about yourself?
Kyle Wood: Wow.
Wait, I have
Dale Sidebottom: Oh, no,
Kyle Wood: do wanna share, I'll share,
but I ha I have a question, which is
like, so especially around the working
with this, like how did you come up with
the idea of, of empowering the, the kids,
like the students to run the programs?
How did that come
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah,
that's a great question.
So one of the schools I've, I've done a
lot of work for in Cranbourne, actually,
which is, uh, for people listening in,
in Victoria, um, about 40 minutes out
of Melbourne, uh, I've done a lot of
work there and they're like, well, Dale,
we've got all these student leaders,
they do, you know, they might speak
at staff meetings or they might do the
assembly or things like this, but there's
sort of token things I was saying.
They want to made to
create a program that.
I would work with those leaders, then
they would champion around their school.
And I never really even thought
about it because I've been
probably out of school for so long.
I didn't realize
how important that, you
know, voice and agency was.
Um, yeah.
And so once I started doing a little
bit of research on it, that there's
not really anything out there.
There's a lot of leadership courses.
Um, but what I've normally found
these leadership course, they
just tell the students what to do.
Whereas mine is I go in and
I'll teach them how to do it.
They feel it.
And then they've got it all.
They've got a backend membership.
Platform that they can
go and use and I teach
them how to create it and, and
mix it for their certain clients.
And, um, yeah, so it's sort of come
from just a conversation and then
obviously I was extremely curious
about it because I didn't really
even know that this was a thing.
Um, yeah.
And then it all makes sense, you know,
the whole emphasis on reducing teacher
load, because that's just another
thing that we add on their plate.
And we look
at schools everywhere, Kyle, like
teachers are burning out and they don't
want to be there at an outrageous rate.
So take something off their plate.
More importantly, champion
the students to be the leaders
and teach them how to do it.
That's very important.
And then give them the voice in their
whole community where they're Um,
they include not only the staff and
the students, but also the families.
And that's been one of the big aspects.
I made these things called community
connectors, where each week there's
a video and an activity that is
to be done at home, a play based
activity.
Um, and the students are to watch
the video of me explaining it, create
their own, and then they share it
out to their school and community.
So that's what I do.
Not only are we getting the impacts in
the school, but also at home, because
you're a parent, you know, you're always
looking for ways to help your kids
grow and excel and things like that.
And a lot of time, you just
don't know where to go.
Um, and the key with it, if it's
not fun, nobody's going to do it.
So,
um, yeah, I've been very fortunate
over the years to create a number
of activities, some, not very good,
a lot, very good, um, that are fun.
And when, when you're having
fun, you can, you can make.
Significant in ways into
whatever area you want.
So yeah, that it all came
just from a conversation.
Um, and, uh, we've had so many
conversations over the years where
we challenge each other and we
throw different ideas at each other.
And, um, for me, this one was, yeah,
like all these, Curiosity, like bells
were going off in my head and I'm like,
wow, I think there's something in this.
So yeah, I just went away and
put my thought, uh, thought
cap on and, and created it.
Kyle Wood: That's cool.
Thanks for sharing that.
Dale Sidebottom: Great question.
Thank you.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, it was, it's like, yeah.
Anyway, we, like, if we talk about
human design stuff, , I'm like, you're
very much like we're in alignment
with your human design there, Dale.
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah,
that's, well, that's good.
Kyle Wood: But like the, the energy,
Dale Sidebottom: How does that
fit into the human design element?
Like, sort of like the program that
I've just created there, because I know
that's a big field that you have been
focusing on and, um, really enjoying.
How does that sort of fit
into what you've been doing?
It's sort of around, you know, the, the
coaching, the empowering, um, you know,
giving the skillset to other people.
It's a bit easy to
Kyle Wood: well, like for you,
because you are like a generator,
um, and from memory, you're.
What's called like a cycle generator.
So you make decisions with your gut.
So like, it's very normal and as a
generator, just strategies to respond.
So it's not to like go out and
initiate stuff, but usually it is
like something will cross your path.
And then you'll get that
gut surge, like that energy.
So like you describing them that
you got this like real surge about
it, and then you, you pursued it,
even though it was just like a
conversation is like a perfect example.
Of like following that.
Whereas it's could also be easy to,
to like get in your head about it
and try and like, instead of just
trusting that excitement you had,
just being like, uh, you know, uh,
it's not, it's not a good time.
Well, I don't really want
to work with schools cause.
I know you'd worked with schools for a
long time and then maybe you're like,
there's maybe not enough money in it,
or, you know, like, there could have
been all these reasons you could have,
like, talked yourself out of it, but, um,
because you just, like, trusted that, that
curiosity that, and probably because of,
like, a lot of the play based work you
do that you have the awareness to be able
to, like, trust that when it came past.
Um, so that, that's how that
would, would apply in there.
Okay.
Um.
Dale Sidebottom: it, mate.
Kyle Wood: Yeah, so what,
what have I been up to?
Oh,
uh,
Dale Sidebottom: it's funny you're
Kyle Wood: well, it's funny you're
talking about the experiment team
because that's one of the things,
um, you know, over the years I've
like meditated on and off and I
had the realization towards the
end of last year that like often.
When I had like the biggest breakthroughs,
like personally or professionally,
I'd had a meditation practice.
Uh, and so That that really gave
me like the inspiration to start
again and now it's been um, like
Over half a year every day, which
is the longest I've like stuck to
Dale Sidebottom: Well done!
Kyle Wood: Like meditating
at least once a day Yeah um
And one of the insights has come
out of that was that like, I
kind of stopped experimenting.
Um, I feel like for a period there,
especially post COVID maybe because of
the uncertainty and the industry,
I gave away a lot of my, my
agency around business stuff.
Like I, I was started looking to
other people to tell me what to
do instead of what I used to do,
which was kind of this weird.
Like, I'm going to try stuff, share it,
collaborate with people, and we're just
like kind of going to learn from that.
I, I got it in my head that
I was like, ah, everything
that's gotten me to this point.
But if I want to go to the
next step, I really need to.
Like start doing that.
Um, so yeah, so it's, it was actually
like a really tough time and it was a
period of trying things, but trying things
that other people were telling me to do.
We just still learn from that,
but not probably trusting myself.
Dale Sidebottom: I know.
I don't think you did doubt
yourself an awful lot.
I know we had a couple
of telephone calls, man.
I still remember this and you're
getting different coaching
and you're trying new things.
I think that's good though, because you
realize to come back and trust yourself.
Like what
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: said to
me about trusting my gut.
Well, you weren't trusting your gut.
You
Kyle Wood: hundred percent.
It's so funny cause I was studying,
Dale Sidebottom: couldn't tell
you that.
on the phone.
You need to figure that out.
Kyle Wood: I don't, my, my wife
couldn't tell me that either,
even though she was trying to, uh, all
my, my like other podcasts I work with.
Uh, yeah, I, I was, it's funny cause
I was studying all this like human
design stuff and I was getting into it
and I was like helping other people,
especially like other business owners.
Um, and, and I wasn't perhaps like
practicing it like enough in my own life.
So anyway, there's the Yeah, so anyway,
it led all the way through to being
like I need to trust myself again and
I need to like get back to I Need to
get Less involved about like what's
the next strategy and more like?
Back into how do I describe this?
I?
Guess it's like more like back into the
moment because I think sometimes with like
strategy we get really focused on like the
end result And then you lose that place
for magic and like serendipity and stuff
like that, because you, you're so fixated.
And so I think that's where I was at.
And so getting back into like, being
like this, you know, like smiling Dale's
sitting here smiling at me right now.
Cause he's like, duh, this is
like my whole career right now.
Dale Sidebottom: mate, what you're doing
by looking to the future, you don't get
into flow because you're not present.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: be present and be.
Like if you're thinking about the
future, like that may not even
occur, do you know what I mean?
All you can control is the moment.
And this is
what I think everybody in the world
has so many issues with in the moment
that we're so fixated on the past
or the future that We forget that
the gift itself is being present.
And when you are present, that's
when you do get these great ideas.
And that's essentially what meditation
has done for you, because it allows you
that time where previously when you're
not doing that and you're so caught
up on all these, what other people can
give you and so forth like that, you
never actually allow
yourself to be in that zone.
Kyle Wood: Yep.
Yeah, it's very accurate.
Dale Sidebottom: It's
funny because like we,
we both talk about.
Being, like, meditation
for you is the way I do it.
I use play to do it with other people.
Doesn't matter how you do it.
Mindfulness is being in the
moment, wherever you are.
And you don't need to be all the time.
You don't need to be a Zen
master or a monk, like, that
meditates for 10 hours a day.
But you do need that.
Stages throughout the day where you
do not have any distractions going
on and whatever else is going on.
It doesn't matter because what you
were doing, you were so involved
and present with yourself or the
person you're enjoying that with.
And that's, you
know, meditation or walking without
a device or whatever it might be.
very important to have
something like that.
But
Kyle Wood: then as well.
She was born, started 2022.
And so then the time went even more so.
Um, and so I would kind of go through
these like bursts in my business of
like, kind of forcing myself to do stuff.
Um, and then like collapse in
a heap and then force myself
and like nothing was working.
Um, and like the, really the thing that
kept me going was like, I just get these
emails out of the blue from like trainers
using bootcraft or whatever, just being
like, Oh, this is like so helpful for me.
And so even though like I was, the
numbers were declining, um, you know, I
was still like, well, it's still like.
A few hundred people on here who are
really appreciating this or I get Someone
who'd like everything would happen.
They'd be like, okay I've just decided
to retire but then they would take the
time to send me a really nice email
about How how like the website had been
really helpful to them over the years
But yeah, yeah, it was tough and I think
I was getting stuck a lot in Like what
trainers were going through, because it's
interesting what you said about people
hesitating to come back to the office.
Cause I think a lot of trainers
are finding that with their
clients, like they're hesitating
to come back to, to classes and,
you know, pre COVID we,
we both ran bootcamps.
It was like, people knew the
benefits of going into a group exercise.
And it's almost like we need to go back
to square one, like for training we need
to go back to square one and kind of
explain that to people again, because
people have like forgotten that that is
something that they get a lot out of.
Uh, yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: I think it's,
it's hard though, because it's
not, it's not just exercise.
It's, and like you said before,
like I'm doing a lot in schools.
Why?
Because teachers and students
have to go to school.
Like there's
no choice.
They can't work online.
They can't do a zoom
fitness session, do I mean?
Or a zoom class session.
They actually physically
have to go in now.
Whereas, you know, a lot of other
industries, there's still hybrid versions.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: I'll do some
corporate sessions and, They'll
be filming me with people joining
online while people in the room.
And I'm like, the whole point of
this is to get people in the room.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: for you to do
it however you like, like that's,
you're getting me in here.
It's on you, whatever you want.
But the people online are missing out.
They probably like it.
I don't know.
I guess it is a really hard thing.
And, um, I think the key with whatever
you're doing and particularly for
anyone still running a bootcamp
that may listen to this, you
just got to go back to basics.
And.
It's not about the fitness.
It's about fun, making the session
fun, because when they're having fun,
they'll be connecting with other people,
but they'll remember that experience.
They won't realize they're coming
for the fitness because when you're
enjoying it, it just happens.
And again, that's that flow element.
Um, if you give them something, they're
not getting in anywhere else in their
life that, you know, that joy and
that fun and whatever that 45 minutes
is, then they'll keep coming back.
Um, I think it's so crucial
and that's the same.
If you're coaching, if you're in a
workplace, if you're trying to work
with your kids, it doesn't matter what
you're doing, like, you've just got
to go back to basics and make it fun.
The learning
takes place if it is fun.
If it's not fun, it doesn't matter what
you're trying to do, nobody will want
to be there or take it on board anyway.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
It's, it's funny you mentioned that
cause that's where it like from this
year of like trying things out again,
that's like where I got to, I was like,
ah, so next month I'm actually running
a challenge, um, with the bootcamp
ideas community, which is all about like
just really focusing on your warmups.
Like how can we make your
warmups as engaging as fun?
Cause I feel like that's been.
Like forgotten, I think, especially with
a lot of like online coaching things, it
becomes very much about like the exercise,
the cool exercise that stands out the
most on Instagram and stuff like that.
Forgotten those like basic skills
of, of like how to run a really fun
warmup and why that's so important.
And how, even if you just do that and your
rest of your workouts, fairly average,
like people like, yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: it the bookends.
If you start well and finish well, no one
gives a shit what you've
done in the middle.
Because, like, that's just part of it.
They started with a buzz, they
use that energy and they leave.
On the same, on the same foot, you
know, so it is the bookends essential.
Whatever you do in the middle will be
good if you get your bookends, right?
That's
doesn't matter where you are.
Like that's so important.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Um,
so where am I at now?
I'm doing the same, uh, stuff, but
yeah, I guess there's like a new energy
that I feel about, about doing it.
It's like, I'm very fortunate with
this business that it's like, I've had
two kids, you know, with it and it's
like, I've been able to spend a lot
of time with them, uh, and still do.
But now, this year with my oldest
starting school, I've really been like,
okay, I've got some more time for this.
Like you guys, my other
children need my attention
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
Kyle Wood: and just trying
to like get back into that.
Cause it's just, I don't know.
It's just so much like.
I don't know about you, but if you like, I
don't really go on social media and stuff
anymore because there's just so much,
there's is, there is some good stuff,
but you got to filter through all of the
Dale Sidebottom: They're not
Kyle Wood: crap to get there.
And, uh, and I'll just like, I miss like
Dale Sidebottom: like
Kyle Wood: days.
So I'm trying to make bootcamp ideas like
that place again, like a place where it's
like, There's just like good stuff here.
come here, you're just going to
get really good help, really good
like advice, um, and bring back
that sense of like community.
And like, it's not just about
me, but it's about like the
people who are there as well.
And so that's part of the reason I
started up the, um, the podcast that I
started a few years ago, my solo podcast.
Cause I was like, I want.
Especially making a conscious decision.
I'm not really going to invest
any effort in social media.
I was like, well, I want some way
other than email still to keep in
touch with people and to like build
those, um, relationships as well.
So that's been a big thing
I've done and I've called it
the group fitness experience.
And I'm considering even,
Dale Sidebottom: the name
Kyle Wood: rebranding
everything eventually to be out.
So it'll still be bootcampideas.
com, but the website might be
called the group fitness experience.
Cause that's what I want
to start focusing on
is like getting people like thinking
about that experience that they're giving
their clients again, not just the workout.
Dale Sidebottom: Well, I love that mate.
That's essentially what I did with
energetic education, sugar life.
It's now, it's all under a collective
umbrella called the school of play.
Like they're still there and
they still have a purpose, but
my vision and missions changed.
Um, and I'm a lot clearer on that now.
And that's why I love the name,
the group fitness experience.
I think it's amazing.
But everything you've done to this
date is part of that experience.
But now you can add different layers
to it with what you've already done.
Um, like you said, building
that community again.
Um, yeah, I think that's brilliant, mate.
Kyle Wood: yeah.
I think, um, one of the things
I'm seeing shift online is that
Because there's so much information.
And now like with AI, like anyone can
just write an article very quickly.
So the amount of content
being created is only going to
dramatically increase with AI.
So that's why it's like, I want the
focus to be on the community and like
accountability and stuff like that.
Cause I think that's where the value is.
You can find, and we even talked about
this years ago before AI was really around
that, like, you can find anything about.
I find out anything about
anything online for free.
So the value is really in the experience.
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah, it is.
Kyle Wood: Um, and what you get out of
that, um, I mean, what you're doing is not
necessarily just out there for everyone
because you're like, you know, you're
doing these studies and stuff like that.
So that's, um, so that's really cool.
But yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: It is though,
but people, people could go and get any,
there's a lot, there's so many games out
there that people could just go and get.
But then
that's the problem, you know,
so often people go, Dale, you do
team building and icebreakers.
I go, I don't do any of those.
Why?
Because you've probably had a
really bad experience from someone
doing a horrible job with that.
That actually makes, I call them ice
makers because they actually have a
detrimental effect because they're so
awkward and they make the limelight on one
person and they make people uncomfortable.
Whereas I take people on a journey
and this is, this is something that
AI will never be able to understand.
Replace, you know, the, the
community that you're creating and
have created over years, but now
you're putting it in one space,
people can't get that anywhere else.
And that's
why, you know, that's why it's important.
And it's exactly the same that people
could say, Oh yeah, I can run games
or whatever, no, not a problem.
It's not the games.
It's the journey, the story, and the
way I layer it, like peeling an onion.
That you take layer by layer,
so no one cries, but they're
still getting uncomfortable.
But the whole time while they're
uncomfortable, they're feeling safe.
And by the end of it, and this only has
to be an hour, they've done something
that they just would never experienced
or thought they would do before.
Not because they wanted to,
because they felt safe and they
didn't realize what was happening.
And then the
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: place afterwards.
And I think,
That's something that's taken me a long
time to realise what I was able to do and,
you know, the structure and layout and the
highs and the lows and the stories and,
um, yeah, and now I've got it really good.
And that's why, you know, when you can
do a study with La Trobe University
and they're like, wow, that's
incredible what you're able to do.
Do you want to do more?
And I'm like, yeah, I'd love to
do more because I want to know the
impact it's having back by day.
Backed by science.
So I see what happens in the room.
You see what happens when you get those
emails and you know, people in your
community and how they reach out to you.
You know, that.
Um, and I just wanted the same,
and, and unfortunately people
don't want just a feeling now.
They want to go, all right,
so where's the evidence?
What's it backed up by?
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: So,
and that was a missing piece
for a long time that, uh.
I didn't have and I didn't
know how to find it.
I didn't know where to go for it.
Uh, so yeah, now
Kyle Wood: Well it
wasn't, it wasn't there.
Dale Sidebottom: yeah, I'm
extremely fortunate now that
yeah, you know, I do have that.
And, uh, it's funny, people don't
even really bat an eyelid at now.
They go, Oh, thank you.
Yep.
That's good.
Yep.
We'll book you in.
Like, it's just like, that's the
last piece of the puzzle.
Like they know already what they're
signing up for, what they want, but
they sort of needed that to justify it
or tick the box or, or whatever it is.
Um, something I worked so hard
for so many years to get, and
now it's like, okay, yep, cool.
That will get you in.
It's so funny how people
Kyle Wood: Wow.
Just having that like, science
battle that you've done that La
Trobe University study.
Dale Sidebottom: And I just made it
like, we just put into a, sorry, into
a two page, you know, PDF infograph.
Um,
and obviously I don't send the
whole 80 page document of the study.
And I send that to them, they're
like, oh wow, yep, that backs up what
we've heard about you and what you do.
And, um, yep.
And so that was all I
needed for all those years.
I just needed this two page document
that I literally couldn't buy.
Like I would have,
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: Oh, I was pulling
hair out, like applying for all these
grants and things, cause there's so many
grants out there these days, but you
need to have that data to back it up.
And, uh,
Yeah.
I never had that.
So now I do it's, uh, Yeah.
it's like a weight off my shoulders,
but I thought it'd be, people
would be more impressed by it.
Um, Because I took so
long to get it's funny.
It's funny what we put
value on like it's crazy.
Kyle Wood: Well, yeah.
And often like what we value as the
business owner is not necessarily
what the client values because we
have a different experience of it.
Dale Sidebottom: So true.
So true How how's the new podcast going?
You are you enjoying it?
Kyle Wood: Yeah, good.
I was a bit worried because
I hadn't done like a solo.
Sort of podcasts before.
So, cause I've got, so I've
got two podcasts right now and
I've got a human design one.
And so it's like human design
for wellness professionals.
So it's more broad and that's
just like ticking along.
Um, and that we, we do nerd out more
on human design and, but we like the
people we have on a like therapists
and yoga instructors and so kind of
like on that side of, of wellbeing
as opposed to like, just like.
the fitness professionals, like the
sort of group fitness type stuff.
Um, yeah.
And so, so that's going along
well, but I've got a co host for
that, Brandy, um, who's got a
yoga back and retail background.
And then, um, Um, yeah,
rebranding the podcast and like,
Oh, I'm doing it by myself.
I'm like, you know, do I get a co host?
What do I do?
Will I like burn out?
But yeah, I was surprised.
Like I was able to get in the mic and talk
for half an hour and I was like, Oh, okay.
Like maybe, and it's a, it's a nice
way to, cause I still like writing
and I still want to make sure like I
keep that up because it's a fun and
helpful way to like organize my thoughts
because my brain's always going.
Um, but the.
Podcast is nice because you can
just be more free form with it.
Just have some notes basically,
um, and go from there.
So yeah, I think I will have have guests
on, um, but I want to get, I'm going
to be a bit like picky with the guests.
I don't want to have like
guests on for guests sake.
Um, so if someone has something
that I really feel like will, We'll
mesh into what we do, um, and then
yeah, I'm thinking about doing
like shorter, like alternate, cause
it's a lot to do a podcast episode
every week, but I'm already doing
another podcast and everything else.
Um, so just doing like alternating, like
a shorter episode and a longer episode.
Dale Sidebottom: Not putting I
think that's good not putting the
pressure on yourself Um, I know
cause for the last year and a half,
I've done two podcasts and I've
literally just stopped the one
I've been going for eight years.
I think there's nearly 340 episodes
Kyle Wood: See you.
Wrapped up energetic
education, or energetic radio.
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
I've just, I've just put a pause on
it because it was just getting, I was
just getting people for the sake of it.
And I'm like, why am I doing this?
I, it's actually, I'm not enjoying it.
So I've just, I've paused it,
um, and going to rebrand that to
the school play and make it all
about, Using play or different
ways to improve well being,
uh, in a fun way for anybody.
Um, you know, and
obviously talk with people.
I'll share ideas similar to, you
know, your group fitness experience.
Um, because then also, you know,
I've got another podcast where I
get to do it with somebody else
and, um, that's sort of taken over.
What energetic radio was for me.
So doing, um, the overly excited
podcast with my mate Jack Watts.
Uh, yeah, we, we, we do every second week
we interview somebody and then the week
in between we just talk and we just rock
up into where I am right now in my studio.
And
we don't really have a topic and
we just talk about what's going on.
And it's
amazing what happens when you
just allow that to happen.
So,
um, yeah, I'm sort of getting what the.
My old podcast was doing for me
for a long time, you know, where I
was reaching out to people on
to learn from, whereas now I'm
doing that with somebody else.
And it's really nice.
So I was like, let's free up some time
and stress and work, uh, by putting so
much pressure on yourself to release
two podcasts every single week.
Um,
You know, like no one was keeping me
accountable that to accept myself.
And I'm like, why am I, why am
I putting so much pressure on
this when it doesn't even matter?
Like, I think we're just, I don't
know, you, you worry about keeping
up and doing all these things.
And I'm like, you know what, it's
actually having a worse effect
on me by having that pressure on.
So just get rid of it.
Like, and it'll come
back when it needs to, like, and I think,
I think that's allowing ourself that
permission is liberating, but it's also,
yeah, it takes a while to get there.
You know, like exactly.
What you were talking about at the
start, you know, about backing yourself
and not looking elsewhere, coming back
to what you know best.
Like, you've got to actually go
through something and figure it
out yourself to understand that
that's the right path forward.
Um, yeah, so that's, yeah,
that's where there's me.
Um, yeah.
Yeah, but I think from doing,
starting the podcast with you, it's,
I've really enjoyed that aspect
of doing it with somebody else.
Um, I, yeah, I think I enjoy doing
that more than the solo ones.
So
it's taken me a long
time to figure that out.
But, um,
yeah, I just think about the
times that I've really enjoyed
it and had a good experience.
And most of the time
that's with somebody else.
I go, so.
Yeah.
That's sort of where I'm at
on the podcast scene, mate.
The, the Kyle and Dale show,
even though it was a while ago,
it was something that, yeah, and
particularly over COVID that was.
Yeah, it was like a catch up
and chat and a bit of a vent, I suppose,
Kyle Wood: really good.
And I think not just for us, it was good.
It was good for people listening as well.
So I think, yeah,
definitely served a purpose.
Dale Sidebottom: That's
good, it's good, mate
Kyle Wood: Uh, did you, so with the
overly excited podcast, what, what
is your like thoughts behind that?
Was it just a podcast for the love of it?
Or is there like a bit more of a purpose
behind it or what are you thinking?
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah, so obviously, uh,
so my co host, uh, Jack Watts, he used
to play for Melbourne and Port Adelaide.
He was a big number one draft
pick back in the day Um, and I
just got to know him really well.
We we started well, he started
going to the gym I go to at 5 00 a.
m class And And he's got
a lot of energy like me.
And I'm like, whoa, these
blokes and we're up and about.
And I remember, um, we've
got a couple of little projects on
the go and we're caught up for coffee.
And before we started talking about those,
he goes, Dale, I want to do more talking
like you were like, where can I start?
And I'm like, well, you, you
need to, you need a voice.
You need to do something.
I've found podcasting really good.
He's like, Oh, beauty.
Or he goes, all right, well, let's do one.
I'm like.
I'm already doing like, I'm like right.
I I'm all about.
Yep.
I'll give that a go.
So let's give it a shot.
And, um, yeah, I think we're 30
something odd episodes in now.
We've had famous sports stars.
We've had famous actors.
We've had CEOs.
We've had life coaches.
Um, Yeah.
So it's pretty, it's pretty cool.
Some of the people's houses I've
been in and, uh, got to chat
with, we've got a Logie two time
Logie winner coming out this week.
Um,
so yeah, it's, it's, uh, for me, it's been
just that sort of doing it with someone
else and not letting go of that sort of
control as well, because when we used to
sort of do it together, you would lead
it and I was, I was happy with that.
Whereas
with my other one, I would lead it.
Whereas now.
This podcast with Jack, he's
just very good on the spots.
He'll rock up and have
no preparation and I've
sort of started doing
the same thing as well.
Although I just don't prepare anything
and yeah, you just make it work.
And
Yeah.
it's been, it was sort of nerve
wracking at the start, but it's
pretty cool when you just let
things go and see how it turns out.
And it's been amazing actually.
Um, yeah, I, I tried not to
go on social media too much.
Obviously I still post things for
work because that's, you know, it's a
great avenue for me to showcase the things
I'm doing, but the messages and reach
that this podcast has had and from randoms
messaging us about the impact it's having
in particular around when Jack and myself
just talk and around two males in the mid
30s being open and vulnerable and just
talking about things that I think a lot
of people don't, um, you know, it's been
really refreshing for males and females.
So that's been really nice.
And that's where I was like, wow,
this is, I think we're doing something
really good and having an impact.
Yes, it's helping myself and I know
Jack, he loves it as well when we
come in here and chat and then we
get a cool guest on but just the
impact it's having on other people.
That's when you get a random message
from someone you don't know about
a theme or a topic or yeah and then
they say do you want to can you talk
more on this or like like yeah we
can talk about whatever you want like
Kyle Wood: Yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: I don't think people
understand how powerful, like, a
little message like that could be or
an email, you know, like you said
before, um, it doesn't, it's very easy
to do, it's also very easy not to do,
um, that's my favourite quote and
I talk about this all the time in
my talks, it's, The impact that can
have on somebody else is profound.
And like you were saying, that's
sort of what kept you going, gave
you the spark again, and, um, and
it's been very similar, I suppose.
Um, because I, with the other podcasts
I've done before, I've never really
just talked about myself personally or
things going on or being vulnerable or
different things like that, you know, I'm
sort of, I've played it pretty straight.
Whereas on this one, we've been very
open and we talk about things and people
have really resonated with that because.
You know, a lot of people are scripted
and they say the right thing and,
um, you know, we may not say the
right thing, but at least we're
being authentic to the people we are.
So, um, and that's been really nice.
It's been, it's been scary and
daunting, I must admit, doing,
saying things out there, because
once you say it, oh, as you know,
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: come back,
mate.
Um, but
also, Yeah.
then getting people saying how
much they appreciate that and,
um, want us to keep going.
It's been Yeah, for me
that's been awesome.
Fuck.
Yeah, I've really enjoyed that
and want to keep having impact
on people that we don't know.
Kyle Wood: Oh, that's so good.
I'm going to say that's like
such a good sign that you're
getting like messages from people.
Uh, cause it is hard doing online
stuff cause you speaking into a void.
A lot of the
time and you're hearing nothing back.
So it's not like, yeah, when you're
running your workshops, you can
see on the faces and the engagement
if people are vibing with it.
But yeah, for us, uh, yeah.
So yeah, it's, it's hard.
And I think, like, I see a lot of
trainers at the moment that they
message me and they're like, yeah,
you know, I want to, you know, Dale,
how like we started bootcamps because
it was a great way to like leverage
our time because we didn't have to.
So now I get messages from trainers
who are like, I want to do online stuff
to like leverage my time even further.
And I'm just always like, don't
know if you know what you're getting
into, like on the surface, you, you
know, you see like, uh, an influencer
with, you know, that hundreds of
thousands of followers, and they're
just making money promoting some brand
of coffee maker or something like
that.
But like, Uh, yeah, but behind the
scenes of what's going on in that
person's life, talking about like
being present to the moment, I'd say
there's not a lot of being present
to the moment because you always be
thinking about the next piece of content
Dale Sidebottom: Well, you're not, you're
just living, you're
Kyle Wood: dozens of times per day.
Dale Sidebottom: and you're living
like on in this fantasy world.
That's what
social media is.
Yeah, it's not,
it's not real.
Kyle Wood: and then they've
got big following, so they are
actually getting responses.
But for average trainer, who's trying
to break into the online world, um,
A lot of what you, you're going to go
through a lot of long period of, of yet
speaking to the void and hearing nothing
back.
So I'm always like, if you can find like
the thing that I'm seeing working at
the moment for trainers actually is, is.
Going back to, which was really popular
in the early 2010s was, um, small
group, like semi private training.
So I'm seeing that make a resurgence.
And maybe it's the thing you were talking
about before, where people are a bit
cautious about coming back to be groups
and like training with
four people feels safer.
But that I think is a better
place for trainers at the moment.
If they're like, I, I want a new offering,
I'd say, forget about online You need
a large following to really like make
some money, um, or you need to get into
like the high ticket game, which, um, is
really just for a certain type of person.
Uh, I would like get semi private
training where you can charge, you know,
you can be making 200, 300 a session.
Um, Depending on the people
you're charging and yeah, I think
that's better and you still get
to work with people face to face
and it's often going to be the same
clients and that's a way better
way to to leverage your time and
make more money at the moment.
Dale Sidebottom: A hundred percent.
And to be honest, you've probably
got the trainers listening.
You've probably got people that you
might've done one on one PT with, or
you've trained for a number of years.
They probably, if you say to them,
do you have two or three friends that
you'd like to create a group with?
And you know, we can design
it around what you want.
Kyle Wood: Yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: how many
people are going and doing that?
Like
they're not, you know, and then they
get to train with their friends.
They get a good catch up.
It's also a way
for
Kyle Wood: costing them less
Dale Sidebottom: cause it's also
increasing your client reach as well.
Kyle Wood: yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: yeah, because
doing a one on one like.
It's all your time, but if you do four
one on ones, there's probably what you
could do for one session with those
four people.
Kyle Wood: yep,
Dale Sidebottom: might have
three friends, each one of them.
And straight away there, you've got
four, instead of four one on ones,
now you've got four small groups.
You go from, you know, making a
hundred dollars a session to three
or four hundred dollars a session,
your time and impact and reach.
That's a great idea.
I really liked
that.
One of, um, I know he came to one of
the, the workshop we did in Melbourne.
Uh, Matt, a student that
I used to teach Colin.
I know if you remember Matt, anyway,
he came along and he just started PTing.
Now he's, he's,
got it.
Yeah.
Now he's got a studio.
He opened up in Melbourne
Kyle Wood: Oh, really?
Dale Sidebottom: and he only like he does,
he offers PTs, but it's all small group.
So
there's, you know, there's only
four per group, different sessions
throughout the day, number of trainers.
And I'm like, that's a really,
really smart way, you know, to,
so people start feeling safe with
the people they're training with.
Like, for example, I go to one of
those BFTs and I love them because
you can go to anyone around the world.
And I was in Singapore.
Uh, the start of the year doing work
and they're all over there, you
know, so I can still train anywhere
in the world, which is great.
But there's 36 people in every class.
So for a lot of
people.
That's daunting.
You know, whereas I
love that because I feed off
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: and at five in
the morning, I'm like, Whereas
other people couldn't think
anything worse and they don't
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah, that's me.
Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: then
they're going to work out.
They want to come back.
That's my, that's everything
I base everything on now,
Kyle, is do people feel safe?
Because there's so many instances in any
aspect of their life where they don't.
So if that means training with
people they love and trust and know,
create that environment for them.
That you've got more clients and
not that they're, they're going to
want to keep coming and they'll talk
positively about it instead of, you
know, doing it online where they don't
get that human interaction or they're
doing their friends online like that.
You're missing out on so much.
They need that connection,
but they need to feel safe.
So allow them to create the group.
Ooh, that's a winner, mate.
That's a real winner.
I'd, I'd say to anyone that is a
PT or bootcamp instructor, and if
you're doing one on one PT sessions,
throw it out to the people like
That you're doing those with.
Do you have two or three friends
that we could do this with
them to make a small group?
Kyle Wood: Yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: There you go,
double your client base and your money.
Save you time.
That's a great idea.
There you go.
There's, uh, uh, the group
fitness experience, mate.
There's a, there's a podcast
for you right there, buddy.
Kyle Wood: yep, yeah, no, it's definitely,
it's on the cards to do, sort of break it
down, um, yeah, how to, how to actually
approach that and do that, cause um,
it's something I launched back when I was
training and now, um, Zoe's doing it with
her business and having good results,
so um, Yeah, Yeah, there's definitely
some like, ways to make the most of it.
And just to like, give people, it was
funny you talked about like, safety,
and that's such a good way to look
at it, because I feel like there is
like, a lack of um, kind of hope.
Um, and not everyone, mind you, like,
there's, there's some people in the
industry who are doing great, but I
think that's, maybe we're, or maybe
we're looking in the wrong places for
instead of looking to, yeah, to ourselves.
Um, to like try and work things out.
We're looking to other
institutions and organizations.
Um, but yeah, really like you used to
say this all the time, like backing
yourself.
Dale Sidebottom: A hundred percent, mate.
Kyle Wood: We need a bit more of that.
Dale Sidebottom: Don't, and don't,
don't question yourself or what it
might be like if you already got
clients and they don't question
you, they love you, they trust you.
Um, Leverage them in a positive way
because you're giving them an experience
that they may not even thought was
possible, you know, by that you, they may
only thought that you do, you know, the
one on one PT or like the large groups
or whatever it might be like, let them
create a group that suits their time.
And, you know, like when I was PT
in bootcamp, like I was working
some ridiculous hours, Colin.
I
know you were as well.
If someone said you have a
small group, I'd like, yep.
Name a time and place.
If I was free, I'd be there.
You know,
like, I think that's a great way
to leverage all aspects of what
you do, but also you don't need
to reach out and get new clients.
It doesn't matter about attracting
new people because the trusted,
loyal, super fan that is your
current client will do that for you.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Totally.
Dale Sidebottom: That's, that's
Kyle Wood: There we go.
Ha ha ha ha
Dale Sidebottom: I
had, thought of that when I was finishing
up PT, like, cause I was just doing
Kyle Wood: Yeah, cause you're
still doing like full days of
30 minute one on one.
Dale Sidebottom: was
doing like 12 or 14 one
on one clients a day.
I'd only do two days a week.
Um, because these were
clients I'd had for years and.
Like I would tell them a time
and they would just be there.
Like it wasn't any negotiated.
And I say, if you want to
train with me, this is a time.
Um, and what I ended up finding was
I found it hard to stop, but it was
actually having a detrimental effect
to my business because doing 12 to 14
PT sessions on two days of the week,
like it takes a lot of your energy
and that's time I didn't have to
build the backend or expand the other
business side of things.
Kyle Wood: yeah, yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: thought I was doing
a good thing and helping people, but
I was actually not helping myself or
the future business that I've created
now where I help a lot more people.
Um, yeah.
So it's funny when you caught up in
it, you don't realize that you need
to step away to figure that out.
But, um, yeah, sometimes giving
something up as well is, it's very tough.
Um, but yeah, it's, that's been amazing
to free up time and allow me the space to,
you know, experiment and try new things.
Yeah,
Kyle Wood: windows, one, which
you like train the backend.
So I'm like teaching it.
I was trying to say, I was like, can
I teach you how to plan like a decent
Workout and, and, uh, and I'm like,
it's having a lot of trouble with it.
So I just asked her, I said, how
can I help you like learn this?
It's like, do you have some articles?
I was like, I've got tons of articles.
So I'm like putting all
these articles into it.
Um, and it did way better.
It was like, Oh, it started
using, it was crazy.
I'd using the stuff I teach to, to like
actually structure the workouts and stuff,
the, and it's still, it's still clunky.
Cause it's still.
Is still drawing on all of
the information that it has.
Um, so, and sometimes it'll do something
and you're like, no, that's wrong.
I didn't want you to do it that way.
And it's like, okay, I
won't do it that way again.
And then you, you do it again and
it does it the same way again.
You're like, no, you're still doing it.
So I think it's still,
it's not quite there.
Um, but, but yeah, like I
wouldn't, I just hadn't had time
to really play around with that.
And, you know, I felt really, especially
as somebody who writes, felt really
threatened initially by AI, but
now starting to see how some people
are using it just as like a tool,
um, and like a jumping off point.
Um, so for instance, one of the things
you could do with it, like, especially
with this one, I'm training is you
could say, like, come up with 12
ideas for the next month and it'll
just come up with like, like some
bullet point Ideas for your sessions.
You still got to go out and flesh them
out cause it's not really smart enough to
do that yet properly without just doing
the same workout over and over again.
Um, but you know, it gives you like,
it's like that first bit of like staring
at the blank page is now kind of gone.
Um, yeah.
So having a, a bit of a play
around with that and then with
like the human design and stuff.
I'm training another one to,
that knows my human design.
So I could go in there and be
like, Oh, I'm having this problem.
And it'll then, cause I've
told her what questions to ask.
It'll then be like, you know, for
me, I'd be like, are you feeling
recognized from this person?
And I'll start like reflecting
some of that stuff back.
So you can use it as kind of like a,
uh, a journaling device, basically.
Um, where, where it's, instead
of like having your sets, a lot
of like you, you've come up with
the general stuff for your life.
So if you had like one for your guy
life, that, that you, that would
like, you'd come in and it usually
prompts you with a few questions.
So you would have like your initial
questions there and then they
would, they would type it back
and then it might prompt them
with another question.
Dale Sidebottom: that's really cool.
Cause I've had, I've had a AI,
bot on my site for, uh, I can
hear it a bit now and basically
that's someone goes on there and says,
Hey, I want a fun way to practice
gratitude with this what's and
it'll find out of my thousand plus games.
It'll find the best
one for them or a course
or whatever that might be.
But well, I love the idea of the, I
never even thought about this, but to
prompt good questions around journaling.
Wow.
Kyle Wood: yeah, that's, uh, I hadn't
seen someone do it that way either.
And then, yeah, apparently like I saw
it on another website, but apparently
like Tim Ferriss and, you know, a bunch
of these other, like, sort of, sort of,
they've all set up like their own one,
um, which, you know, you can like train
over time and then, yeah, they can go
in there or like, if you got business
ideas, it can just sort of help you like
go through it a little bit
and, and pull it apart.
So you can kind of
say, um, yeah.
so it's, it's, yeah, so seeing it as that
kind of tool, it's like, well, that's
especially for a solo business owner.
It's like, that's very, um,
that's very helpful.
Dale Sidebottom: I think the, biggest
thing I've found with journaling and
obviously having the big sugar life app I
made last year is, you don't, I don't want
to store anybody's journals or I don't
want to, once you do that, you open up a
whole like privacy and things like that.
Kyle Wood: course.
Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: You know, you
could have something like this on
your website, but where does it
get stored and what, what happens?
And there comes all this privacy.
Kyle Wood: That's a
Dale Sidebottom: I've sort of found,
you know, now particularly with our app
that it's just stored on people's apps.
If they delete their app, the, the sugar
life app, then it's gone.
Like we, I didn't want any responsibility
of that or have a database.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: Which is, it's so
unfortunate because you're trying
to create something good, but then
I don't know, so many things can go
wrong or yeah, it, I love that idea.
But my whole, while you were
talking about that, cause I had
so many issues with what we're
Kyle Wood: Mm.
Dale Sidebottom: I was just
thinking, how does it work?
Where does it get stored?
Like instead of the possibilities,
you're trying to think, I don't know.
Kyle Wood: I know, I have, I
have been thinking about that
and Zoe says that to me too.
She's like, are you just like
giving them all this information?
So that definitely would be
something worth, worth like, um,
because it, because it remembers.
So if you were using it for journaling,
like six months later, you would, you
should theoretically be able to say,
Hey, can you spit out my journal from,
this date or do a summary, a
paragraph summary of what I was
thinking on this date and it'll
then spit it back out to you.
But that's obviously not being
stored like locally on your
computer.
Dale Sidebottom: but then it's, but then
if you've got, my thing is if I had, uh,
This on people's membership platform and
each one of them had that where would it
be like, oh,
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
No.
Yeah.
So
Dale Sidebottom: scares the
absolute shit out of me mate.
Kyle Wood: yeah.
I'm going to do some research on
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
if it can remind me what I
did six months ago and remind
everybody what did six months ago
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: Oh, I don't know.
That's like creating a
really bad situation, I feel.
Kyle Wood: is, it's smart.
Dale Sidebottom: like, that's,
that's making me tingle with my
hands with anxiety because I'm
like, where is that actually going?
Oh,
Kyle Wood: Alright, we'll just
use it for now to come up with
Dale Sidebottom: Ideas.
H1.
Kyle Wood: app that I use for this has
it built in so it'll, it'll read the
transcript and I can even ask it like,
you When I'm trying to do links and stuff,
I'll say what books and resources and
things did we mention during this episode
and it'll spit out little, sections.
So that's, um, I don't know
if you find, so that stuff's
just like so much easier and
editing or even like,
where did I repeat myself?
So like, you know, where did I
start saying something and then stop
and then start saying it again and
it'll, it'll pick up those as well.
Dale Sidebottom: Well, so the one
I use it's, uh, once I finished
the recording, you simply just put
the audio in it and a minute later,
it gives you 10 podcast titles.
It gives you the show notes,
gives you the transcript.
It gives you blog posts,
gives you social media posts,
gives you quotes, whatever you
want.
And if you don't like
them, just hit it again.
And it does it again.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: it's,
Kyle Wood: That's called pot.
What's that one
Dale Sidebottom: uh, it's called?
Cast Magic, this one,
Kyle Wood: Cast magic.
Yeah, that's the one I saw
someone recommending the other
Dale Sidebottom: it's
like insane, like it's
crazy, and then I put the video into this
platform called Opus, and it creates 20
short reels of content of the best part.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: like You literally
don't, you don't have to do anything now.
And that's that, I love it for that
aspect because I didn't, one of the
things I didn't like about podcasting
or was writing the show notes, doing
like coming up with ideas.
I hated doing that.
You, you're always very good at it,
but it also took a lot of your time.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
And so that's what I found.
I'm like, I was getting behind
with our other podcasts.
We took a break.
Yeah.
And then we got back into it and I've
been struggling and I was like, all
right, I just need to start using some
of these tools that are out there.
Um,
Dale Sidebottom: They're
amazing, mate.
Kyle Wood: like spending half a day
editing one podcast when you're doing
that every week and I've only got
three and a half days that I work each
week because of family commitments.
So it's like suddenly
I'm down to three days
Dale Sidebottom: Yeah.
And that's, that's,
just for one podcast.
It's like, it's not You know, whereas
now you can, now I can, I can record an
episode, put the sound in, in, within
10 minutes, it's fully done, like
Kyle Wood: just add the intro
Dale Sidebottom: I just add the
intro and cause I was saying before,
like, just really upgraded my sound.
It's really good now.
I don't edit any of that.
I just chop and start the end.
Kyle Wood: Yeah.
Dale Sidebottom: with the outro, the
intro, bang, I upload that while I'm
doing that, the show notes, the title's
done, and then all the reels and promo
stuff's done for it as well, bang.
10 minutes,
like, oh, yeah, which is great
because at the end of the day, you
do a podcast because You want to
talk to me, we'll share the message.
It's
Kyle Wood: Yeah, yeah,
Dale Sidebottom: that.
They're talking was the
easy part is all the other
things.
There is now
getting a good guest.
That's once you got a good guest, the rest
is all done sort of for you, which is,
uh, that's the best part for me.
I love that.
Kyle Wood: that's good, yes, likewise.
Alright, we're just hitting up on
an hour, we could keep talking.
Dale Sidebottom: Great chat, great chat.
Well, the Dale and Kyle
show, the Kyle and Dale show.
What a, what a blast it's been, mate.
I think it's a nice
way to, uh, finish it up.
It's, uh, I really enjoyed
Kyle Wood: I'll, uh, I'll have
links to everything, where to see
Dale's new podcast, and Offerings
and things, um, in the show notes
and I'll have links to My stuff too.
Um, and then yeah, I think I'll
have to get you on the group fitness
expert experience um for like
a proper a proper grilling
Dale Sidebottom: Get some good questions,
mate, and really hang me out to dry.
I'm ready to rock.
Kyle Wood: Alright, yeah, I'll, when I
was getting ready for this, I was doing
a bit of, I was looking through your
websites and, like, cause I, I get your
email, like your emails and stuff like
that, so I do keep track of sort of where,
what you're doing, um, but I was like,
oh, I need to have like a proper look
into this, but yeah, um, that'll be fun.
Dale Sidebottom: I look
forward to it, man.
I look forward to it.
Well, listeners, thank you.
And Kyle, it's been a
blast as always, man.
I look forward to the
grilling on your new podcast.
Ooh,
Kyle Wood: Bye everyone.
Dale Sidebottom: see ya.