The Rigged System Blocking Energy Medicine | Sean Murphy | Everything's Energy Ep-42

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Sean Murphy joins Michael Scalar to discuss his journey from palliative end-of-life care and veteran advocacy into energy wellness. Shaped by his experience as a father navigating his son's serious brain disease, Sean shares why quality-of-life care, sound and light therapies, and the search for options outside a drug-first model became deeply personal.

The conversation explores medical gatekeeping, caregiver advocacy, Congress and energy wellness, and why energetic modalities can become meaningful when conventional options feel limited or blocked. Sean also reflects on what it means to think like a palliative parent: focusing on comfort, symptom reduction, and better days rather than promising a cure.

Join us for a grounded conversation about energy medicine, personal advocacy, and the difficult questions families face inside modern healthcare.

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Tags: Sean Murphy, Octavius, energy wellness, energy medicine, palliative care, palliative parent, end of life care, veteran advocacy, sound therapy, light therapy, EE System, EESystem, Energy Enhancement System, medical gatekeeping, caregiver advocacy, frequency wellness, consciousness, Michael Scalar, Everything's Energy

Chapters

• (00:00) - - Father's journey: palliative care, wellness
• (00:03) - - Son's illness sparks energy medicine quest
• (00:05) - - Blocked options, focus on quality of life
• (08:24) - - Exploring senses, right to try
• (11:06) - - FDA, energetic medicine, EE Cube
• (14:00) - - Unexpected pediatrician encounter
• (16:28) - - "Kiss of death" and coincidence
• (18:57) - - Pediatrician's reaction to crisis
• (22:04) - - Alexander disease: rare genetic mutation
• (28:07) - - Shifting focus to quality of life

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Michael Scalar

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Octavius Real

I’m a palliative parent searching for answers and options in energetic medicine, light and frequency therapies, wellness technology, and quantum (computing, healing, systems). My name is Sean Murphy. Octavius is my pseudonym and online alias... publishing book soon) This channel is dedicated to honest, hands-on reviews and independent investigations energetic wellness devices, treatments, and therapies. I test hardware, run EMF/RF measurements, examine the research claims, and ask the tough questions that families and caregivers deserve answers. From personal stories and miracle moments to detailed comparisons and content to help palliative parents, this channel is where I bring it. And remember... stay curious. Do your own research. And advocate for the people you love.

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Octavius Real: 00:00

As a palliative parent, it's an easy step to be like, okay, I can change the environment. I can change the frequency. I can do that. I don't need a prescription. I don't need to go through the medical system.

Octavius Real: 00:08

I don't need to go through piles and piles of research. It's noninvasive. You know, we're not putting anything to the body. It can only help see that as the ultimate cheat sheet, but then there's other things, and it's a mix between psychological and self care.

Michael Scalar: 00:22

You're tuned in to Everything's Energy Show or EE Show. I'm Michael Scalar, your host. Today, I have Sean Murphy. He is an entrepreneur, an investor, and an advocate for both energy wellness and palliative end of life care. So thank you for joining us.

Octavius Real: 00:36

It's great to be here, Michael.

Michael Scalar: 00:37

I I wanna dive into the the congressional part where you actually spoke before congress on energy wellness, but I kinda wanna open the door for how did you get into the energy wellness field? I I mean, you you stepped through the door at some point and found it. What got you excited about it? What made you come to the light side? Because there's obviously the dark side of, you know, more of the pharmaceutical, which has its place in places.

Michael Scalar: 00:59

I won't completely poo poo it. But how did you get to the energy side?

Octavius Real: 01:03

It's a long journey. But to keep it short, Michael, I started many years ago in palliative end of life care in the VA as a hospice volunteer. I would go in with my mentor, we would visit veterans in hospices, and I started to understand what that model looked like, what health care looked like in the VA. As things went along, I was an advocate for that, for Veterans, and my journey led to becoming a dad, where I have a son with a very serious brain disease. And a lot of those things that I learned advocating for veterans and palliative end of life care came to bear on that with my son.

Octavius Real: 01:48

As things went along, every drug was thrown at him along the way. And I just I saw how the health care system is built around pharmaceuticals Yeah. And drugs. And every time he would get sick or there was some issue going on, the it was what drug can we give him to fix this problem.

Michael Scalar: 02:10

And no no drug is you can't drug someone back to life, typically. You Typically a patch. You can't. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 02:16

You can't. And you can you can drug them and and and manage them in that way. And and as and as he, you know, as he's gotten sicker and declined, I was I've been left with the situation where there really isn't another option. There there isn't another there isn't a drug. There's a hopeful miracle drug, but I know too much about it and where he's advanced in his disease for it to help.

Octavius Real: 02:42

So it it was really kind of through that necessity that I started looking at sound and light therapies. I ran a business years ago that was in the cannabis, hemp, and cannabinoid industry. So I had also had that experience looking at complementary alternative models with cannabinoids, but it wasn't until things were at that point with my son where everything had been blocked. Know, CBD, blocked. Chiropractic care, blocked.

Octavius Real: 03:13

All of these modalities that I brought forward, both the doctors at Children's Hospital and his mom, they shut them down. So it was really by necessity that I came to look at energy medicine, and it's really become like a calling in that way that this is this is what's at the end of the road when people realize, what are we really? We're electrical beings. Mhmm. You know, we're not chemical beings to be filled with drugs and pharmaceuticals, but we're electrical beings.

Octavius Real: 03:40

And that was something that I looked at with my son to say, what what is out there and what are the modalities, the sound and light treatments, therapies, technologies, and things that I had known about, and learned about that could help him. And that's that's what led me into this, and that's what led me to learning about what was going on with EE system. I'd I had known for some time about EE system. I met Sandra, doctor Sandra Michael Rose, your mom Mhmm. Years ago.

Octavius Real: 04:10

I think it was 2011, and that was my first exposure to EE system. You know, that's not yesterday. That's, like, a while ago. A while ago. You got you got you know, you guys have been around.

Octavius Real: 04:20

You and I had lost touch over the years with what was going on with with you and EE system.

Michael Scalar: 04:26

But You had your hands full with a lot

Octavius Real: 04:27

of fans. I had a lot going on. But Yeah. But when Atlas Atlas is my son. When How old is Atlas?

Octavius Real: 04:33

Atlas is seven and a half now. Seven and a half now. And as it got to the point in the last six months where, you know, he's just gotten worse and worse and sicker and he has really bad reflux and, you know, starts to have these choking episodes where, you know, choking on his own body.

Michael Scalar: 04:50

That's gotta be really painful to watch

Octavius Real: 04:52

as a parent. It's it's definitely anyone, even Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's just it's totally devastating.

Octavius Real: 04:58

And, that's where I started looking at what what are the sound and light, you know, options out there. And, you know, I've I've looked at different, you know, there's different music modalities, different hertz. There's, you know, frequency beds. And that was what brought me back around to EE system to be like, hey. This is something that I wanna I wanna I wanna try.

Michael Scalar: 05:21

So you you were probably adamantly attacked by the doctors for trying to pull him out of things that weren't working. Correct?

Octavius Real: 05:28

Not in that way.

Michael Scalar: 05:30

No?

Octavius Real: 05:30

What I've done is I I think of myself and the term that I use because I don't know what other term there is is a palliative parent or palliative father where there's there's there's not really a a quote, a cure that I'm advocating for, but it's like, are those options that are gonna help improve his quality of life? Absolutely. Yeah. What are those things that are gonna help him have a better day or reduce some of the symptoms? And so thinking as like a palliative father, I thought, okay.

Octavius Real: 05:58

All of these things I'm bringing forward, you know, whether it was CBD, chiropractic, there was some stuff with, like, vagal nerve stimulation.

Michael Scalar: 06:06

Okay.

Octavius Real: 06:06

I mean

Michael Scalar: 06:07

So you did you did you throw the kitchen sink at him?

Octavius Real: 06:09

I I have, like, this list of 13 things.

Michael Scalar: 06:12

What what worked? What didn't work?

Octavius Real: 06:14

Nothing has worked.

Michael Scalar: 06:15

Nothing has worked.

Octavius Real: 06:15

They've they've shut it all down. Yeah. If the the Children's Hospital pediatrician doesn't back it and his mom, who's the the sole medical decision maker Mhmm. Because I pushed back on on vaccines years ago. Said, hey.

Octavius Real: 06:30

We should wait. We should take a look at this. And they seized on that. And they're like, you're an anti vaxxer. You're a conspiracy theorist.

Octavius Real: 06:38

And that was the leverage they used to ultimately take control medically. Wow. So she's the decision maker. So really, I'm I'm an advocate as a parent. I'm like, here are some here's something we should look at.

Octavius Real: 06:48

Why don't we try this? Here's the safety profile. And they won't let you. And they've blocked everything. So everything.

Octavius Real: 06:53

Everything. Wow. Everything. And like I had a background in in the CBD industry. I I I wrote the first reports on the CBD industry, like, looking at what companies were coming out with hemp derived products, and it was it's been devastating to be like, wait.

Octavius Real: 07:09

I have this whole expertise for years. Sold this company, built it up, you know, did the did all the reporting on research to where I was like, wait. I just wanna help my child with this stuff. Right. And it's been blocked.

Octavius Real: 07:20

But what makes energetic medicine unique is you don't need a prescription. No. You don't don't need a

Michael Scalar: 07:27

you don't need doctor. Permission.

Octavius Real: 07:29

I don't I don't need I don't need I don't need that

Michael Scalar: 07:33

Oh, good.

Octavius Real: 07:33

For him to be on a on a on a sound frequency bed. I don't need I don't need that for him to be in an EE system field. Mhmm. You know, I don't need that to play different tonal frequencies. It it it's it's been this thing where when everything else was taken away or blocked or denied, I was like, this is this is what remains.

Octavius Real: 07:54

And it's not something that's gonna, quote, cure his brain disease. Mhmm. And I'm not I'm not here saying that this is, like, the cure for the brain disease. But You're just trying

Michael Scalar: 08:03

to create a quality of life to some extent.

Octavius Real: 08:05

Yeah. Right. Quality of life. And sometimes that's symptom reduction or sometimes that's just not having one of these events

Michael Scalar: 08:12

Yeah.

Octavius Real: 08:12

That'll end up in the ER. And then, you know, it just it's, wrecks days, you know, of of life when he ends up in the yard. And it's all these tests get run, and nobody ever really figures anything out.

Michael Scalar: 08:24

So how how did you come back to finding EE system after over a decade?

Octavius Real: 08:28

Well, I I just started thinking. Like, what Who do I know? Who do I know? What can I look into? And I really ended up in that the the box that I thought about was sound and light therapies.

Octavius Real: 08:41

Mhmm. What's out there? What what I kinda looked at what have I been using. I I did a lot of, like, essential oils, you know, much more like smell, you know, like, kind of his he he can't Atlas can't walk. He's fully in a wheelchair, losing all his mobility.

Octavius Real: 08:59

So, like, I would get, like, lavender scented oil and just kinda, like, rub his legs. Mhmm. So I kinda started saying, alright. We have sound, light, smell, like, all of these things. And then I was like, okay.

Octavius Real: 09:10

You know? E system. I thought back years ago. I was like, might as well. Might as well might as well look into it.

Octavius Real: 09:19

It's safe. The safety profile is there. And as a palliative parent, a lot of times, that's the calculation is safety and efficacy.

Michael Scalar: 09:29

Right. You don't wanna try something that just came out and they're making bold claims and being like, well, we can do all these things. Right. Right. Bullet.

Michael Scalar: 09:35

It's yeah. That's the nice thing is we do have a couple decades of safety protocol.

Octavius Real: 09:39

Right. Yeah. Right. It always starts with safety, right, especially with kids. Mhmm.

Octavius Real: 09:44

And having a terminal disease, the other the other term, and this was something I talked to the doctors about, was right to try. Right? Like, if you have a terminal disease as a patient, you have a right to try things.

Michael Scalar: 09:59

Is it did you bring this up after getting poo pooed for a while?

Octavius Real: 10:03

I brought up in an appointment eight months ago, six to eight months ago

Michael Scalar: 10:09

Wow.

Octavius Real: 10:09

That, hey, Atlas has a right to try these things. Yeah. If they're safe and this was my list of 10 to 12 complementary alternatives, CBD, chiropractic, vagal nerve stimulation. I said, he has a right to try this. And the response from the the pediatrician was, are you threatening me?

Octavius Real: 10:29

Oh my god. And I

Michael Scalar: 10:30

was like, That is so laughable. That's disgusting.

Octavius Real: 10:34

I know. It's laughable until you're like, we're really talking about his life. Yeah.

Michael Scalar: 10:37

And his quality that he would say that. It's disgusting.

Octavius Real: 10:40

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She said it. And then and then at that point, when I I pressed, I was like, well, what about CBD?

Octavius Real: 10:46

Like because I I knew I know the science. It's neuroprotective. It's Pain control. Yeah. And it's been passed.

Octavius Real: 10:53

Epidiolex is a CBD drug. It's not scheduled. And I was like, it's for seizures. It's for pediatric seizures. It's for kids.

Octavius Real: 11:04

It's it's safe. The FDA has shown that isolate CBD is safe for neuro children. So I was like, okay. This is safe. So I and when I pressed her on it, and I was like, but this is safe.

Octavius Real: 11:15

CBD. CBD. It got to the point that she walked out. Wow. Like, walked out of the appointment.

Michael Scalar: 11:21

Probably too cheap a thing. They wanna go to the more expensive side of things.

Octavius Real: 11:24

Yeah. So after the appointment walkout, that's when I doubled down on, okay. These things are not going anywhere. What are what are the energetic frequency sound and light options? And it it always starts with safety.

Octavius Real: 11:39

Right? Because if something's safe and proven to be safe, then if it's truly a palliative situation, you you don't have a lot to lose. Right? If it's safe, why wouldn't we try it? And that's been my position as a palliative father is if we know something is safe, if it's proven safe or or reasonably so, why wouldn't why wouldn't we try it to help him if it's not gonna be a burden or create other issues in any way?

Octavius Real: 12:05

And and energetic medicine, like, fits that to the tee. Like, sit in this field.

Michael Scalar: 12:10

Yeah. So you ended up picking up an EE cube at some point.

Octavius Real: 12:13

I'm a cube owner. I I it was actually there's a story here. Should we talk about the story?

Michael Scalar: 12:19

Yeah. Let's go for the story.

Octavius Real: 12:20

Okay. Here we are. A little bit of the story time. It's it's it's a miracle story, but not a traditional healing miracle story. It's a little bit different.

Octavius Real: 12:28

But

Michael Scalar: 12:29

I actually don't know the story. So for those watching, this is fresh for me too.

Octavius Real: 12:32

Yeah. And I've and I've never told it publicly. So here we go. Let's do it. I so I got the cube.

Octavius Real: 12:40

This was last. It was in December. It was right before, Christmas, and my dad was gonna be there, and I had Atlas coming. And I was like, hey. I'm gonna have him here for a couple of days.

Octavius Real: 12:54

Get the cube to me. And so I got in touch with with your team, the Esystem team. I was like, guys, I I I need the cube. I need it here by this time. Send it.

Octavius Real: 13:03

Right? And you guys package it up really quickly. You know, it arrived in a couple of days, and I got it put together the day that he arrived for our Christmas time together, the holiday time, and put it together. My dad was there, so we have, like, the three generations. You know?

Octavius Real: 13:19

Grandparent, dad, son, and

Michael Scalar: 13:21

Teamwork.

Octavius Real: 13:21

Teamwork. You know, we're all there. And we have this this this frequency bed. It's it's called a Clinique, and this is something that Mhmm. That Daniel Brinkley developed, you know, decades ago.

Michael Scalar: 13:34

Okay.

Octavius Real: 13:34

And I have one of the one of the prototype ones. And I ended up getting it from one of the guys that made one of the versions. So I I have it there with the EE system and the cube all put together. And it was this thing where, hey. You know, the three of us, we're getting on the clin e.

Octavius Real: 13:51

We're we're there with the EE system. We're in the field. You know, we're we're looking for that electrical coherence Mhmm. In our state. And we all all three go through it, and it wasn't like we woke up the next day and some, quote, miracle happened, but we end up going to this big holiday.

Octavius Real: 14:10

You know, it was kinda like a kinda like a market. This was in Denver. It's like a big market kinda downtown where everybody's showing up at all these booths. You know? You know, get your hot chocolate or Mhmm.

Octavius Real: 14:20

You know, look at the lights on the tree or whatever. And and Atlas wanted to go see the drones. There was a drone show overhead. So I was like, we're gonna go see the drones, the three boys. You know?

Octavius Real: 14:28

We're gonna go check out the drone shows. And it was cool. So, like, we're we're moving through the crowd. The drone show is starting. You know, can't see because he's in the wheelchair, so we're kinda, like, trying to get to a spot that he can see.

Octavius Real: 14:39

And out of nowhere, I see this woman. She's wearing this hat, and I'm like and she sees me. She looks at Atlas. It's the pediatrician. The one that I just told you about.

Octavius Real: 14:50

The one that has, like, blocked everything. Yeah. Yeah. The one that walked out of the appointment, like, weeks before that.

Michael Scalar: 14:57

Wow.

Octavius Real: 14:57

And she and, like, she sees us and it you know, it's like this look on her face of, like, woah. What's going on? And I don't know if she expected me to, like, lay in on her or, you know, like, be anything other than just chill. But we were just like, hey. You know, it's it's good to see you.

Octavius Real: 15:14

She's like, Atlas, is that you? And there was this very palpable feeling of the, like it was like she just saw us, like, just being three, you know, father, son, grandson, just three guys out in the world just doing what everyone else does. Mhmm. There was no no animosity. No, like, trying very human effect in

Michael Scalar: 15:33

in actual human effect versus, like, the clinical

Octavius Real: 15:36

Very yeah. The clinical where she's all and and and it had been heated. Like, you know, she she had gotten out of the appointment. She had said, you know, are you threatening me when I brought up right to try? So, like, we had had we have a history.

Michael Scalar: 15:47

Right.

Octavius Real: 15:48

Her and I. Like, she's she's like the ultimate pediatrician in the system, and I'm like the the dad that's like, what can we work with outside?

Michael Scalar: 15:57

Woo woo dad. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 15:58

And nobody would say I'm crazy or woo woo, but they would

Michael Scalar: 16:01

say mind to kinda

Octavius Real: 16:02

Well, they would say that he's not gonna follow our drug playbook.

Michael Scalar: 16:06

Right.

Octavius Real: 16:06

He's not gonna just You're the rule breaker. Well, I'm the guy that's like, what else is there? Yeah. You know, why don't we look at this? Well, we can't recommend that.

Octavius Real: 16:14

Well, I know why they can't recommend CBD. That's because marijuana is still a schedule one drug, and they can't recommend schedule one drugs. So then it becomes a matter of, well, you have to see someone outside of children's hospital, but his mom won't allow that. Oh, wow. So he keeps it locked in.

Michael Scalar: 16:28

But you don't even get high off CBD. It's not really a drug. It's more of a compound.

Octavius Real: 16:33

I mean, all drugs are compounds in that way.

Michael Scalar: 16:35

Right? Okay. It's no longer compound.

Octavius Real: 16:37

It's no. It's not psychedelic. So it would just seem so obvious. Like, why wouldn't you try it? It's safe.

Octavius Real: 16:43

Why wouldn't you try it? But it's become a situation where just anything that I advocate for, it seems to just be the kiss of death.

Michael Scalar: 16:50

Right.

Octavius Real: 16:50

Thus, we don't do it according to Children's Hospital and his mom just because it's something I'm bringing forward.

Michael Scalar: 16:56

Alright. So let's get back to the topic what you were going into

Octavius Real: 16:58

We're still in story. Haven't forgotten the You know, that's the backstory to the story. So we see her. It's kind of a brief exchange, you know, and then Atlas and I kind of look at each other, and I look at him, and he kinda gives me that look like, you know, you know, come on down already or, like Where's

Michael Scalar: 17:14

the drones?

Octavius Real: 17:15

Like, move on. Move on. Like, yeah. Where are the drones? Like, this you know, forget her kinda thing.

Octavius Real: 17:19

Like, we're here to see the drone. So, you know, we we say goodbye. It's fine. It's cordial. But there's, like, this I can only explain it, and I think people that deal with energetic medicine can kinda get this.

Octavius Real: 17:30

But there's this this feeling or this emotional affect to the moment of, like, something just happened here. Like, something just went down even though it didn't wouldn't have appeared to anybody watching it that it was

Michael Scalar: 17:40

The Matrix reorganized.

Octavius Real: 17:41

The Matrix something happened. Right? And and I and I really I thought about that then the next day because it was like, okay, what were the chances of that? I mean, I had never seen any of his doctors in public over seven and a half years. He's got like 17 doctors at Children's Hospital.

Octavius Real: 17:59

I've never seen any of them in public in Denver. Never. And here we see her the day, really the afternoon, evening, after I installed and put the cube into action.

Michael Scalar: 18:12

Right.

Octavius Real: 18:13

And I just thought, you know, what are the person controlling his his medical care we see here and have that moment? And so it just kinda sits with me, absorb it, and the three of us are good. You know, we're we're hanging out. We're we're in the field. We're we're going for that electrical coherence Mhmm.

Octavius Real: 18:31

That we talk about when, you know, you're in an EE system field. And and my dad said it really well. He's like, you know, Atlas was as good as he could have been over that time, and we were as good for him and to him as we could have been. And it was it was just a wonderful Christmas holiday. He he didn't really throw up at all, and it was tremendous quality of life, like, the the thing we're going for.

Octavius Real: 18:53

And I'm thinking about it. You know, what are the chances of the pediatrician? What's gonna happen? And then there's this appointment about, you know, two weeks later, a little bit after Christmas, after the New Year, with the pediatrician because now they've given Atlas a flu vaccine. He's having this eczema outbreak.

Octavius Real: 19:12

And I'm like, come on. You're giving him a Negative. Why? You're giving him an inflammatory vaccine, and he's having an inflammatory reaction. And but I can't get into that too much because then they're always like, you're just against vaccines.

Octavius Real: 19:23

I'm like, no. Here's what I'm observing. You gave him a vaccine for the flu, and now he has eczema, and he's ending up in the ER in the hospital. I'm like, this is what's going on. So we end up having this appointment, and the the pediatrician, she's she's typically, you know, upbeat.

Octavius Real: 19:40

You know, she's on the job. She's very engaged. She's moving, the care forward. And she just she looked wrecked. You know?

Octavius Real: 19:49

She just came onto the screen. It was telehealth. And she looked like just beaten down. You know? It was like, you know, her own the way that she looked at herself or the way she was looking at me had totally changed.

Octavius Real: 20:00

I wasn't this dad that showed up to just be a problem. It was like we were just normal, normal father, son, grandson out and about. It was and it was like they they saw who they're doing to.

Michael Scalar: 20:13

Interesting.

Octavius Real: 20:14

And and it and it just changed the whole dynamic. It's not like everything about it became instantly positive, but it was like the one person that's been controlling the whole thing. She was a she kind of was a shadow of herself. And I don't know where that's going to lead, but it it certainly changed the dynamic that all it's been is resistance and and problems. And I had another neurologist that he literally yelled at me in an appointment when I brought up CBD again.

Octavius Real: 20:45

We're not going to talk about that anymore. I don't want to. And it's like, eventually these doctors know that what I'm asking for is they they just won't do it for whatever their reasons are. And I think she just saw the the truth that, hey, this this guy, this dad, he's he's just just a normal dad trying to help his child, and we're we're stopping that. We're not helping him help his child.

Octavius Real: 21:11

Yeah. Quite the opposite. And I think it I had an internal impact on her. And just the way she presented and showed up, it was like she looked rocked. And I thought, hell, yeah.

Octavius Real: 21:23

I thought, hell, yeah. You guys deserve this. You guys deserve to see the truth and what it's like when you're on the front lines fighting for a child's life Mhmm. And what it's been like with all the stuff they blocked. And and I attribute it to the system.

Octavius Real: 21:38

Like, that was that was if I looked objectively, like, what did I do differently? What was set up? You know, what happened? That was put in motion the night before. And then the next day, we go to the thing and see her.

Octavius Real: 21:52

I mean, it was a crowd of thousands of people. Like

Michael Scalar: 21:55

What are the chances? Yeah.

Octavius Real: 21:56

The chances that even if I knew she was there and we were cruising around looking and hoping to bump into her still would have been very small. But the fact that at that time and that moment, all of those little synchronicities that go into that happening, I thought, wow. Well, EE system is doing something to the field. That there's some something happening that I could not explain other than this is a form of synchronicity happening by being in that field and the three of us. So it was a miracle to me.

Octavius Real: 22:31

They talk about a course in miracles. They talk about the definition of a miracle is a change or shift in perception. That's what they define a miracle as. Most of us think it's like, oh, you know, get up and walk. You can't walk.

Octavius Real: 22:44

Or, oh, you can't see, and now you can see. Right? Like, something in Yeah. Those are big ones in the Bible. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 22:49

They get a lot of the the juice. Right? But but a miracle is anything, a change or shift in perception. And she had that. This doctor had a change and shift in her perception of of the situation, of who I was as a parent and a dad advocating for Atlas, and it was a miracle.

Octavius Real: 23:07

I mean, it was a miracle in in in what's a very difficult situation. I mean, he's very sick. You know, he's just if he gets pneumonia or something like that at this point, I mean, that's how kids with his disease pass away. Their their lungs can just their whole system from kinda here down is not working right. The brain controls the whole GI system.

Octavius Real: 23:29

So it was it was huge. It was huge in in in a way that I would never have explained something to be a miracle or thought a miracle would happen, but that's what happened.

Michael Scalar: 23:41

Count the small miracles and the big ones.

Octavius Real: 23:42

There is. I know that was a long story. Yeah. And if somebody's listening to this So Bless you for listening for all.

Michael Scalar: 23:47

I I mean, everyone, let's say some prayers for Atlas and Sean here and what they're going through. How how did how did how did this start? Was he born with it?

Octavius Real: 23:56

Yeah. He has very, a very rare genetic disease called Alexander disease. It was a spontaneous mutation, meaning neither his mom or I are carriers of this gene. It just happens spontaneously. I don't know what medically happens spontaneously, but something did to where one of his chromosomes, chromosome 17, there's a a mutation.

Octavius Real: 24:21

That mutation affects a protein called GFAP that makes brain cells, astrocytes. So he doesn't make astrocytes like you and I do. They're they're defective, and they give off, toxicity to the brain. So over time, the proteins are misfolding, the brain cells are not right, and it leads to all of these degenerative effects.

Michael Scalar: 24:45

Seems like we get more and more of these freak diseases as time goes by.

Octavius Real: 24:49

Yeah.

Michael Scalar: 24:49

Is is do they know what causes this? Is there a theory to what causes this? Is it just complete random bad bad luck draw?

Octavius Real: 24:59

There's some very loose theories on what causes the spontaneous mutation, but they really, they don't know. They don't know why this chromosome mutation happens.

Michael Scalar: 25:11

Do you have any theories?

Octavius Real: 25:13

There are only theories. It could be, like, a trace mineral imbalance. It could be and this was something I thought about that I that I have I have not researched too in-depth on that could is just a theory, Michael. It could be using birth control. You know, Atlas was conceived right after we right after his mom was on birth control.

Octavius Real: 25:35

She stopped Mhmm. Next period cycle, pregnant, and we have Atlas. And his mom had been on birth control for ten years. It's it's a truly a theory. We don't know.

Michael Scalar: 25:45

Yeah. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 25:45

We don't we we don't know, but it it was still devastating. Like, a genetic brain disease, like, it's the one in a million kind of thing. And then when when we got the diagnosis, like Is

Michael Scalar: 25:57

that actually close to how how freakishly absurd it is? It's, one in

Octavius Real: 26:01

a million? It's a little bit it's I mean, it's fewer than one in a million, but, you know, we're not gonna be like You're, 1.6. One in one point six million. Right? It's it's very few.

Octavius Real: 26:12

And there's a different severity and different types of Alexander disease, depending on where the mutation is on the chromosome. Some kids are much more severe. Some are in the middle and some are not as bad. Atlas is probably more middle to more severe just because of his the loss of function at at his age. And that was like the game changer with quality of life.

Octavius Real: 26:35

And and parents that have sick kids know that. Like, when you lose mobility, everything changed. Like, as a as a parent and a child, all the stuff we could do when he couldn't walk anymore, it changed. Even going to, like, Chuck E. Cheese's.

Octavius Real: 26:49

Right? Like Yeah. Like, now we're rolling up. We're, like, out this last couple weeks, like, I he loves this racing car game. Right?

Octavius Real: 26:57

Like, you know, those ones you, like, get in and guys seen it. He loves it, but, I mean, I'm I'm getting him out of the the stroller. I'm unplugging his feeding tube. You know, I'm hoisting him in. Like, it's an epic moment just to hit that one video game at Chuck E.

Octavius Real: 27:12

Cheese. Like, what used to be, like, just run-in, have be a kid is now, like, we're going to do this one thing. And it's you know? And parents know this, like, it's a toll on the body. The caregivers that are out there, like, it's it's quite a thing.

Octavius Real: 27:27

So turning it up with energetic medicine, like, I got the cube going. I'm benefiting from it.

Michael Scalar: 27:34

It's I mean, it seems like you need the just as much healing

Octavius Real: 27:38

The caregivers do. Yeah. The caregivers do. And it's a toll. And his mom is the primary caregiver, so she's really on the front lines all the time.

Octavius Real: 27:46

I have Atlas most weekends, but just between the lifting and all of the issues that arise, like, need these supportive health care options, chiropractic. Right? Trace minerals. All of these things that support ourselves as electrical beans, not just chemical beans.

Michael Scalar: 28:07

Absolutely. And speaking of that, you're you're pulling from the the Danian, Brinkley playbook there.

Octavius Real: 28:11

I'm pulling from that, and, that's because I I see it as accurate. You know? Like Yeah. Like, affect molecules. And, yes, we're made of molecules, but we also every thought is an electrical impulse.

Octavius Real: 28:24

Every heartbeat, that's an electrical impulse. Right? Every cell has electrical input and output. Right? So for somebody to be like, everything is chemical, it just doesn't make sense if you actually look at, like, how is the body working?

Octavius Real: 28:38

So it's what are these things that help create coherence, create better or more stable homeostatic response with that electrical field, And it's just something I've come to. And, you know, like like I was saying, I've I've just seen it more as a calling and a progression as I've looked at complementary alternative care that this is where it's ended up. So in your

Michael Scalar: 29:01

existence here with Atlas, is there anything that you would tell other parents that are just getting into this? I feel like you've gone through a lot, you know a lot. Is there something you could convey to the public that are might be stumbling across this and being like, this is the these are this is my cheat sheet. From psychological to Yeah. Care to just like That's a great question.

Octavius Real: 29:24

Yeah. Michael. Yeah. The one one cheat sheet thing that has really helped me was this term palliative parent

Michael Scalar: 29:33

Mhmm.

Octavius Real: 29:33

Where I I went to seeing that as an empowering concept psychologically, where you go through all of this and you have a child like Atlas, and it's very easy to become a victim. Right? Like, one in a million, and he's going through all this. And it's like we're searching for hope. Right?

Octavius Real: 29:53

And there's, you know, there's a miracle drug and hope and hope, and people are selling hope and wishing hope. But the reality of it is there there it's not it's grim. Right? The reality is you you start to see yourself as a victim. It leads to despair.

Octavius Real: 30:08

Did you have moments like that? Oh, some some very serious ones. Yeah. And those preceded this concept of seeing myself and other parents as a palliative parent where the focus shifts to quality of life. It's it's empowering where it's like, okay.

Octavius Real: 30:24

There are all these challenges. It's devastating. It's brutal. It's affecting grandparents, siblings. It's it's affecting everybody.

Octavius Real: 30:32

But the shift to that term was like, hey. We're we're gonna fight for quality of life. Mhmm. Like, it became a mission and a focus there, which was so different than when you're like, hey. I'm how are we gonna deal with this?

Octavius Real: 30:46

You don't have an identity that's empowered. So that was the first cheat sheet was like, okay. There I am a something as a parent. I am a

Michael Scalar: 30:54

Not a victim.

Octavius Real: 30:55

I'm not a I'm not a victim, or I'm not a parent that is beholden to what a doctor is saying. And there are there are many parents that have sick kids where they give up their power to a doctor or to the medical system, and they stop thinking about quality of life or looking for other things that can help. They're like, tell us what to do, what drug can help, what can you do to help us, what can you to us? And and I get that. But at the same time, when you're a palliative parent, you're looking for things that are safe that can help.

Octavius Real: 31:27

It just changed the whole mentality. So there, at Children's Hospital, they're not spending any time thinking about Alice right now. I guarantee you, none of his doctors are thinking about Alice right now. But when you're a palliative parent, you're always thinking about your child Yeah. Absolutely.

Octavius Real: 31:40

And what you can do to help them. And that that cheat sheet in and of itself is what led to thinking about EE system and and getting a cube and going for it because that was really all that I was left with that I could help him. You know, I can't force a prescription. I can't get his mom to do something, but these these very You can change you can change

Michael Scalar: 32:02

the environment and the atmosphere. Change that. Frequency and vibration.

Octavius Real: 32:06

Exactly. Everything is energy podcast. Right? Like, that's what we're talking about. And that's what as a palliative parent, an easy step, right, to be like, okay, I can change the environment.

Octavius Real: 32:17

I can change the frequency. I can do that. I don't need a prescription. I don't need to go through the medical system. You know, I don't need to I don't need to go through piles and piles of research.

Octavius Real: 32:26

It's noninvasive. Yeah. We're not putting anything to the body. Can only help. Can only help.

Octavius Real: 32:30

Yeah. So I've, you know, I've I I see that as the ultimate cheat sheet, but then there's other things, and it's a mix between psychological and self care. Mhmm. And those can be divert and and seeing yourself as an advocate. That that's one that a lot of people are like, tell us what to do, you know, and they're they're feeding on hope.

Octavius Real: 32:52

Right. And if you feed on hope long enough, you realize that's like the the last thing in Pandora's box was hope. People forget that. Like, what was the last thing in Pandora's box? It's hope because it it it baits you.

Octavius Real: 33:06

And that's what I've watched everybody in the medical community. Everybody's pushing hope. You know, give money for research for this or that. And Good old hopium. It's a lot.

Octavius Real: 33:15

It's hopium, and and people need it when you have such a terrible situation. Yeah. Like with a sick child with a terminal brain disease or cancer, some of these things. And they're they're just devastating, but it was the shift to an empowering mindset for me. And and I'm not always there.

Octavius Real: 33:31

And other parents don't you know, I I don't wanna make it sound like, hey. Every day you wake up and you're like this palliative parent and you're like, you got this gusto. There's still incredibly hard days. But the more I think of myself as this is the kind of parent I am. This is the focus, and this is searching for anything that can help that's safe.

Octavius Real: 33:51

It's been it's been kind of the high level cheat code.

Michael Scalar: 33:55

Do you do you still count your blessing for having this experience even though it might be a short experience with Atlas?

Octavius Real: 34:01

You have to. Yeah. Right. And there's some days where you don't wanna do the counting. And then there's other days where you feel better, and I and and you're like, I'm gonna count the blessings and the time.

Octavius Real: 34:11

And it's really a time a time blessing that, you know, the time that he's here and the quality of life that he's here, that's where the focus and the gratitude has been. But it it again, it gets back to quality of life. Right? Like, if you're appreciating and being grateful for the time, it's much easier if it's not like a suffer fest.

Michael Scalar: 34:30

Right.

Octavius Real: 34:30

Right? If it's like, hey. We're calm. We're having a good day. Even if we're just chilling

Michael Scalar: 34:35

Counting the blessings of the good days.

Octavius Real: 34:37

Yeah. We're yeah. If we're counting the blessing of, like, hey. We were playing Atlas loves Super Mario. Right?

Octavius Real: 34:43

Like, he loves it. So we're, like, playing Bowser's Fury, you know, and we're just chilling on the couch.

Michael Scalar: 34:47

Well, some of my fondest memories as a kid too was playing Super Mario Brothers, to be honest, it's strange.

Octavius Real: 34:51

Right. It's good. And it's like a part of it. It's like a part of him knows that, hey. All of this is a giant simulation or whatever.

Octavius Real: 34:57

And, you know, you when you're playing a video game, you're like, hey. This is a simulation too. Yeah. It's a game. And I think he's kinda found you know, I think these kids are like little masters.

Octavius Real: 35:06

Right? You know, these autistic children. Mhmm. They, like, they come here, and they're they're they're like, masters in their own way, very, very limited in what they can do. And some of that shift that I've looked at with Atlas is just appreciating that there's so much more to him than than I think what people see him as or what his disease would see him as.

Octavius Real: 35:27

So gratitude's important. And then the other shift for me, and this was this was it was years in the making. And and I I just wrote a book about all this, and I talk about it there. But let's just say

Michael Scalar: 35:39

Is it out?

Octavius Real: 35:40

No. It's about to it's about to

Michael Scalar: 35:41

go it's about to get published. What's it what's it called?

Octavius Real: 35:43

Adventures with the great wazoo.

Michael Scalar: 35:45

There there's your plug, everyone. There's a plug.

Octavius Real: 35:47

There now they know there's gonna be some prelaunch options for people to get it before it hits the market. But the one thing that and we'll just I'll just save everyone the time right here. The one thing that I came to see was, like, with Atlas that he that he chose to come and was chosen to come. Right? It's very defeating to think that this was random and that he came and that he lived this short life, and then, you know, it's tragic and suffering, and he passes.

Octavius Real: 36:15

It it was totally different to look at it from the palliative parent perspective or a spiritual perspective that, you know, his soul or the greater part of him chose to come Mhmm. And live this and the experiences and the struggle and knowing what love is like with his his parents, his family, his friends, and that he was chosen. Call it by the divine. Call it by what what it fits into people's belief systems, beings of light, angels that that there is something here. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 36:46

That it was meant to be, that there was that there was some destiny to all of this. And that shift from seeing it as a random, horrible, spontaneous mutation that led to a short life of suffering and pain was very different than, hey. There is synchronicity in this. There was you know, there's some destiny in it, and we're going to live for quality of life and learn what love is, you know, through all of it.

Michael Scalar: 37:10

So, obviously, she removed herself from birth control. So you guys were trying to have a kid.

Octavius Real: 37:13

Yeah. We were trying to have kid. We knew.

Michael Scalar: 37:14

Do do you think you'll try again, or was are you what are your thoughts on on trying again with another child? Or do you need to find

Octavius Real: 37:23

a new significant other first now? That's probably a different podcast.

Michael Scalar: 37:28

If it's too deep, then, you know, we will edit that out. But No. No. It I know these are personal questions. I was it just comes to mind, and I I feel like viewers might find it entertained to Well, I you know, like, where's what's next?

Octavius Real: 37:38

I could tell viewers all sorts of stuff about this topic, but just having having a child like Atlas, a a sick child, a lot of marriages are destroyed.

Michael Scalar: 37:50

I'm sure it's been really rough on

Octavius Real: 37:52

your relationship. Right. You go from

Michael Scalar: 37:53

You already alluded to that with the, you know, she's got full control. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 37:57

It was it was a they his mom, and it was really her mom. They it's called the nuclear option or the silver bullet where they had this very elaborate plan when Atlas you know, he had a brain bleed. He had hydrocephalus. He was very sick. In, like, three months, it things were were high stress, and they wanted to do the two month vaccines.

Octavius Real: 38:20

And it became like this big thing where he needs these vaccines and the pediatricians at Children's Hospital like or he could die if he gets one of these diseases. And it was this huge scare tactic.

Michael Scalar: 38:31

Right.

Octavius Real: 38:31

He could die. He needs these. And and because he's sick, he especially needs these. And I heard all this, and I was like, okay. The more fear you're laying on us.

Octavius Real: 38:40

And he and he almost actually died in in the hydrocephalus in the brain surgery when they put a shunt in, and they ran a shunt line down and punctured in, and the doctor thought they hit an internal organ. So Wow. Atlas, like, actually almost died. So then to hear that he could die from the vaccines, I I paused, you know, took some deep breaths. Why are we doing all this fear tactic?

Octavius Real: 39:01

And I then I got very interested in vaccines. And this was pre COVID when when nobody was questioning them. Like, you had to be a you were a total conspiracy theorist, anti crazy person to even be like, hey. What's going on with vaccines?

Michael Scalar: 39:16

On the circles.

Octavius Real: 39:16

But yeah. Right. But I'm saying as a as a parent going into children's hospital.

Michael Scalar: 39:20

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Octavius Real: 39:21

Right? And and when I rolled that out that I wanted to wait, like, let's get through this and see if we can figure out why he had an intraventricular brain hemorrhage and why he had hydrocephalus. Let's wait that out a little bit. That's when they rolled out this nuclear option or a silver bullet with a divorce that, you know, had this big plan. They they set it up to where they they called the police on me.

Octavius Real: 39:47

And the and the oh, and it it was it was an it was an epic move that they did, but that was what initiated all of the divorce issues and four years of litigation over custody and medical decision making. It was it was it was brutal. So when people are like, hey. Am I gonna have another another kid someday, Or what do I think about that? It it comes down to who's who's the partner.

Michael Scalar: 40:12

That's that's my problem in life right now too is I kinda wanna have a kid, but it's really hard to find a quality partner in society today. It you know, there's definitely some good people out there, but I I've a lot of people I see have relationships and they end terribly in a very short period of time. There's a lack a lot a lot of factors, but that that is the hardest part is finding someone that is on your level and is gonna be understanding and resonates. And unfortunately, it it's just a I mean, birth rates are dropping worldwide, and a lot I think that's the biggest prob problem.

Octavius Real: 40:45

There's a lot of lot of shifts going on culturally with all of that, Michael. But one thing I've that I might invite you to think about is, first, the belief with that. And this was something that I thought about. Like, when you're in divorce, you look at the world differently. Like, it's it's brutal and just Mhmm.

Octavius Real: 41:02

You start to become aware of your thoughts or, like, what am I believing about myself? And and divorce is a can be a soul crushing experience for people. Right? Because you're like, wait. I'm not this person that they're saying that I am.

Octavius Real: 41:13

You know? They had they they rolled everything out on me. I was every name under the sun. Anything bad you could say about someone, they said it about me. And, eventually, I was kinda, like, interested.

Octavius Real: 41:23

Like, what's the next

Michael Scalar: 41:24

thing? What's the next lie

Octavius Real: 41:25

you're make up? Or yeah. Or the or the next we called it in you call it in divorce court misrepresentation. Right. Right.

Octavius Real: 41:32

Or mischaracterization. Right. And they had a lot of those. But it it helped me kind of think about what am I believing. And one with relationships is always, is it is the glass half full?

Octavius Real: 41:45

You know? Is is she out there? Or or or or is there a group of women that could be, you know, in coherence or that I could be attracting, or is it an empty empty waters? And for me, I've just always found it to stay try to stay above that line

Michael Scalar: 42:00

Yeah.

Octavius Real: 42:00

And be like, hey. It's still it's a it's a place of plenty. There are many fish in the sea. And It's just a matter

Michael Scalar: 42:07

of time. Yeah. We'll find those fish in the sea in time.

Octavius Real: 42:12

See, the way I think of it is like the same synchronicity that leads to this very small chance of a spontaneous mutation brain disease or seeing the pediatrician. Right? Like, super kind of godwinks, as they're called. Yeah. I know.

Octavius Real: 42:28

He's like, I think if those godwinks can happen in that way, they can also happen in meeting someone. You know? Meeting your your twin flame or your soulmate or Or

Michael Scalar: 42:38

just someone to have a beautiful baby with.

Octavius Real: 42:40

Or someone to have a beautiful baby with or somebody to be in love with or someone, you know, just to have some hot, wild, passionate sex with. Like, this is

Michael Scalar: 42:47

God, we love those.

Octavius Real: 42:48

Right? So, like, it's intention driven. Right? And I've just found having a belief, a positive, supportive belief that matches that intention is a great place to start. And and that's only because, like, I've met with the atlas and the divorce and the the diagnosis, like, I went to some very dark psychological levels.

Michael Scalar: 43:08

Yeah. I mean, you you you have to I I like to say, you have to hit rock bottom in a lot of ways so that you can rebuild yourself correctly. And some of these devastating moments in life are just god's little school of life. Like, well, you you gotta go to college, bro. You you're gonna experience some shit, and it's gonna hurt, and you're gonna be in it.

Michael Scalar: 43:27

But guess what? You're gonna come back stronger. And I think you actually kinda we'll shift the conversation to actually, you you've done some of that, and you've achieved a lot, and you actually went to congress. And what did you present at congress? How and how did you get there?