How Can We Wake Up Our Fellow Americans Before It’s TOO LATE?? — Will Witt Interview

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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.

Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.

After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.

He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.

Seth Holehouse: 01:28

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So today, I think we have a very important topic and it's a broad topic but it's also very specific and it revolves around how do we wake up our fellow Americans, and and what does that even mean? And so I'll be have a little bit longer of an intro today because I'm gonna talk about a few different things I've been really thinking about lately, and then I'll be getting into an interview with Will Witt, who is maybe you've seen him, but he's a very popular influencer who's part of PragerU at one point, amassed close to a billion video views. And what he would do is he would primarily go into college campuses and talk to these college students and understand how to change their minds about their views, whether it was about communism or abortion or any of these different topics.

Seth Holehouse: 02:17

And so he amassed a massive amount of knowledge of how to talk to people. And so he's written two books. One is called How to Win Friends and Influence Enemies, which is really about specifically how to speak to people and how to get people to change their mind and see what, you know, really is the truth, right? Communism is evil. Abortion is killing an innocent life, you know, etc.

Seth Holehouse: 02:42

I'm sure you know all of these different, you know, arguments that you try to make with people, but he understands how to do it in a way that I think is very effective, which is important because if you're like me, you believe that we are in an information war right now. And you believe that it is our duty to try to wake up our fellow Americans or if you're somewhere else in world, our fellow countrymen and help them see what's really happening before it's too late. Then the other book that Will recently came out with is called Do Not Comply, which is literally about just how to not comply and how to have courage and to take away the power from the elite. So these are both really important topics. And it's interesting because there's, two books that I'm in the process of working through right now that I want to talk about.

Seth Holehouse: 03:26

These aren't books that he wrote. These are much older books. So the first book is called The Crowd. So it's called The Crowd, a study of the popular mind. So this was written in 1895 by a guy named Gustave Laban.

Seth Holehouse: 03:39

And so, from what I understand about this book is that it was a book that was really commissioned almost in a sense the study of this, Gustav, of what controls the crowds. This is after the French Revolution. And the elites were very concerned because they had seen that if a larger group of people, gain enough momentum, they can actually overturn, you know, governments, etc. And, you know, one of the the points that Gustaf Aban makes in this is that's exactly what does it, right, is is it's the power of that crowd. And so the elites wanted to understand how crowds work, how crowd psychology works, so they could actually better control the crowds and maintain their control.

Seth Holehouse: 04:22

And one of the points that, Lebon makes in the book is that if you look back in history at the significant changes that have happened, oftentimes we look in history and we think, it was that one leader that did that. It was that one, leader that changed the whole country. But what he was saying is that actually what leads to significant change is when the crowd collectively gets to that point. Right? That's what leads to the change.

Seth Holehouse: 04:48

Like you have to you can't just have a leader steps in and just changes everything. The leader if whether they're good or evil, they have to change the thinking of the populace to then move them into that big change. And so the control of the crowd becomes extremely, extremely important. And so he lays that out in this book, the understanding of really the power of the crowd. And the second book, which I'm sure you've heard me talk about as well, plenty of times, is written by Edward Bernays called Propaganda.

Seth Holehouse: 05:21

Now this is a book that actually, both these books I highly recommend, but this is a it's a relatively short book. You can get the paperback for $8. But so this is written by Edward Bernays. And this one, I believe, was out in the twenties. Let's see if it tells me here when this actually book had originally come out.

Seth Holehouse: 05:41

Anyway, I can't find it here. So I believe it's out in the twenties. I might be incorrect on that, but maybe 1928. Anyways, Edward Bernays is the nephew or was the nephew of Sigmund Freud. And he became an expert in propaganda and advertising and marketing, which really rooted back into propaganda.

Seth Holehouse: 06:01

And this book is really, really, really significant because basically what he outlines in this book is how to control people. Now, you know, he was doing it, you know, kind of studying what was done, you know, through the different wars and looking at, you know, how people's minds, how the crowd has been controlled. He gets a lot more into advertising, right, and talking about, okay, how do you have Coke and Pepsi? And he gets into the the political class a lot and how the really, I mean, he talks a lot about the ruling elites and how the average person in our country, needs to have someone else making the decisions for them. He makes this point that, if each individual person had to go and research every single little topic, there'd be so much confusion.

Seth Holehouse: 06:46

And so he describes as that there needs to be this this elite class, these rulers at the very top that pull the invisible strings that help to filter the decisions, and that the best possible outcome is that these elites filter everything down into two choices, A and B, right? So it's Coke or Pepsi. I mean, imagine, you know, these days, of course, there's lots of other soft drinks, but imagine if there were a thousand different soft drinks and you didn't know which one to drink, it'd be confusing. Or imagine if there were a hundred different presidential candidates or a hundred different parties represented. So the at the foundation of, Bernays's work is this discussion about how you have to create two options.

Seth Holehouse: 07:27

And that's really what we the society we live in right now, is they've created these these two options. Look at the presidential, it's either Trump or Biden, know, there's either or. And of course, we have RFK running independent. But the point being is that the crafting of A versus B and how to control. And so the the point though that I I've drawn from reading these two books together and and looking at where we're at in society is this.

Seth Holehouse: 07:53

So the the authors, they they talk about how basically you had before. You had the the kings, you had the rulers, and those rulers had, in a lot of ways, absolute power over the people. They they they put forth the edicts and laws and but then once we had the the industrial revolution, you had a lot more of the capitalism coming in, you had people looking at America as an example, that they were able to, on their own, develop success and develop power. And so before where you just had, you know, the ruling ruling elite and everyone else down here. But if you look around right now, look at Elon Musk as an example.

Seth Holehouse: 08:30

Right? This guy who's this billionaire and, you know, regardless of how he got to that place, he's absolutely wealthy and he buys Twitter. And Twitter has now become a free speech platform. Now whether you trust him or not, that's irrelevant because it is a free speech platform. That probably is stepping on the toes of a lot of the elites that don't want us to have these kinds of free speech platforms.

Seth Holehouse: 08:51

So that's a perfect example of what's happened now that the the people can gain power through business and through, the various means that they can. And so what they figured out though was that so basically, as these people people gained more power, you had the the printing press and everything, the elites started losing their power. Like, the kings and and and the rulers started losing their power as more of it was transferred and really earned and gained by the individuals. And so what Bernays focuses on in his book is a lot of, know, because in 1920s or so, this is where we had the the radio, this is where we had these mass controls of communication. And so it's amazing to go back almost one hundred years and read in this book, the methods they're talking about.

Seth Holehouse: 09:38

It sounds like modern day social media and the the just complexities of how they can control the message. And so it was really so you had this cycle, right, the rulers gaining power and then slowly then slowly losing the power to the crowd, right, as the crowd gains more influence. But then what they realized is that, and this is what you you see coming out in Guzana Le Bon's book and then also specifically Edward Bernays' book is that if the rulers can then control the crowd, right, you have these people become powerful and everything, but if you can still control the crowd, then the rulers can actually still maintain their control over the world. But you see that it really fundamentally, you have to be able to control the crowd to control the world. There's not a scenario where they they the picture they paint where just by virtue of being the wealthy elite, you automatically have control.

Seth Holehouse: 10:26

You have to be able to control the people. And so if you look at the progression of the mass media and the mass communication in The United States as an example, right, when we had the television that came out, we had, you know, radio, newspaper, newspaper, even before the internet, right? So so rewind say thirty or forty years ago, most people in America got their worldview and their and their information from a few basic sources that were very easy to control. They read the New York Times, they watched Walter Cronkite or Diane Sawyer, they they turned on their radio, they listened to the radio. So in that time, you know, the, you know, mid century, right, fifties, sixties, seventies, I believe that the the elites were having a heyday in figuring out all these new ways of controlling us.

Seth Holehouse: 11:16

And you go back to project operation mockingbird, you can see the CIA was in, you know, very intimately involved in the mainstream media and be able to control the narrative. They knew the power of this. And so I think that there's there's also you had peak control. You had peak control of people heading into, you know, the early two thousands. But but as they developed and then as the with the introduction of the Internet and the introduction of social media, it became an even more potent tool for them to control the crowd.

Seth Holehouse: 11:47

Right? As we talked about who controls the crowd controls the world. And so with the early social media, early, you know, search engines, etc, they were able to put in these even more sinister methods of crowd control and not just controlling the narrative because now we're getting into deep psychological control, using dopamine and algorithms to keep people hooked to these devices. So it's even more sinister. But something very interesting has happened though, I would say in the past decade or so, which is really significant.

Seth Holehouse: 12:22

Because when I interview people like Cliff High or Martin Armstrong, which is interesting because they both have a very similar perspective of where we're at in history, they both talk about the fact that more and more people are seeing through the lies. And so I want to quantify that a little bit because if you look at what's happened with the Internet, right, so at first, Internet, Google search engines, Facebook, Twitter, it became this great tool to further suppress us. And then you combine that with lockdowns where we could no longer, you know, go to the town square, we can no longer go to the local library and participate in a town meeting. And now most people are being forced just on the social media being forced into the areas where the elites have absolute control over what was being said, especially at that time. But if you look at where we're at right now, the tool that they built to control us even further and to push us further into this technocracy, this digital totalitarian world, which they've outlined in Agenda 2,030, and all the different documents I'm sure that you've looked into and you've learned about, what's happened is that there's a shift.

Seth Holehouse: 13:30

And the shift that happened is me sitting right here talking to you. I couldn't do this fifty years ago. It'd be so difficult. But now, I'm just some guy. I'm just some guy, some man in America, sitting in my studio, and I'm talking to you and I can give you information, I can expose the the plans of the elites, I can show you different ways to heal yourself that big pharma doesn't agree with, I can introduce all kinds of concepts and ideas.

Seth Holehouse: 14:03

Some of these, you know, some of the videos I've done, the video I recently did interview with Doctor. David Martin, got over a million views. I mean, over a million views on one interview. That's, that's more than a lot of CNN interviews will get. So now me, some average person, I've become a powerful tool of propaganda, right?

Seth Holehouse: 14:22

Now propaganda is, as they describe it, as Bernays describes it, he thinks of it as a good thing, right? It's really just influence. It's the ability to influence. Now, it can be used in a sinister way, but it can also be used in a positive way. And my goal is to try to give you positive propaganda.

Seth Holehouse: 14:36

It's positive influence. Hey, think for yourself, research, don't trust the government. Make sure you buy some storable food, make sure you stock up, learn how to use a gun, you know, positive things that I think will help give you more freedom and more independence from this totalitarian system. But it's not just me. I mean, there are so many influencers.

Seth Holehouse: 14:56

You have people like Mike Adams or even Alex Jones and the size that he's amassed, with his audience, even to just small people that maybe someone puts a post up on Facebook and it gets a thousand views. That collectively is breaking their system, right? Because going back to it, you have the the elites know they have to be able to control the crowd to control the world. And so what's happening right now, and it's this amazing moment in history, is that the technology they built to further control us is now being used against them. Look at Rumble, look at these look at even Twitter.

Seth Holehouse: 15:31

I mean, how you know, Twitter, you can go in there and talk about the election, you can talk about the jab, you can have these discussions, you can say, hey, this a different story to what we're being fed from the mainstream media as it relates to the Israel Hamas narrative or whatever it is, people can now go out and do this. And so this is actually one of the biggest reasons why I feel and why I agree with my guests like Martin Armstrong or Cliff Hines say that the cabal is in its end days or David Martin, interviewer talked about who said the deep state's already dead. We're experiencing the the dying breaths of this beast and its last flailing arms as it dies. I really believe that one of the fundamental reasons as to why that is, is because we have seized control of the ability to communicate. Look at the plummeting ratings for CNN or even Fox News, people don't watch them anymore.

Seth Holehouse: 16:26

People are tuning into shows like this, people are turning into blogs or Substack articles or following so so new on Twitter. They're losing control of the crowd. And that's why I believe that within the next couple of years that we will absolutely witness the collapse of the deep state, the collapse of the cabal. Because even though they've got trillions and trillions of dollars and all this, we have a soul that God gave us. And that soul, we have free will.

Seth Holehouse: 16:57

We can decide what information to pursue. We can decide to not comply. And they cannot control that. And it drives them crazy. So that's why they hate people like me.

Seth Holehouse: 17:07

They hate people like you. And so this fits perfectly into this conversation with Witt because he's someone they hate, you know, exceptionally, they have a huge amount of hate for him because he's someone who's going to college campuses and talking to these kids on the ground and exposing the lies of the elites. And so in today's show, we're gonna be talking about the just how to not comply, but also how to wake up more of our fellow Americans because that's really where the war is. We have to get more people, we have to take that crowd, right, and say that that crowd is still 50% controlled by the cabal, they still control half the country, right? We have to chip away at that, we have to say let's take an extra percent, an extra percent, an extra percent.

Seth Holehouse: 17:50

So say by the twenty twenty four election, maybe they only control 30% of the people here in America. Honestly, that to me is getting close to the absolute end. Because he who controls the crowd controls the world and they're losing control of the crowd. It's no thanks to people like you, people like Will Witt, the other guests I have on, we're doing it. So folks, please enjoy this interview.

Seth Holehouse: 18:16

Will, thank you so much for being on the show, man. It's it's very good to have you here today.

Will Witt: 18:21

Hey, thanks, man. Appreciate it. I'm glad to be here.

Seth Holehouse: 18:23

Absolutely. So for those of the audience that hasn't seen you or seen your interviews on PragerU or your interaction with the campus, kids and surviving all that, Give us just the real quick rundown on on your background.

Will Witt: 18:39

Yeah. I mean, I was a liberal atheist my entire life until I went to college in CU Boulder, which we call the People's Republic Of Boulder, actually. And I went there and I was a English major, which was a worthless degree. And then I went to a sociology class, which was a worthless class. And there's this black girl sitting next to me, and my teacher in the class looks at me, points at me, and says, you are oppressing this girl next to you because of the color of your skin.

Will Witt: 19:02

And this seemed just very odd to me, like, didn't really know what was going on even though I was kinda liberal or even more apathetic towards politics. I was like, I don't feel like I'm oppressing anyone, and this girl next to me didn't feel like I was oppressing her either, which was, you know, just as just as strange. And so after that, I started getting very involved and started looking things up and researching, and I found out about so much, reading and watching videos. And I eventually found out about PragerU, decided on my campus to make a video interviewing women what they thought about the wage gap and tell myself how to shoot and edit the video, send it to PragerU. They ended up offering me a job.

Will Witt: 19:34

And so after two years, I dropped out of college, moved to Los Angeles from Colorado to go and work for PragerU, and then I worked for PragerU for the last five years. I directed and hosted three short mini documentaries. Did about a billion views on my videos with the man on the street content and all the other social media content. I've spoken around the world now, written, two national bestselling books. It's been quite the whirlwind, I can say.

Will Witt: 20:00

But now I live in Florida. I left PragerU last year, live in Tampa, Florida, where I'm the editor in chief of a newspaper outlet I started called the Florida Standard, which we're very proud of.

Seth Holehouse: 20:11

Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.

Seth Holehouse: 20:25

Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 02/2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.

Seth Holehouse: 20:42

So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.

Seth Holehouse: 20:57

Now, let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.

Seth Holehouse: 21:23

What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200, one ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals.

Seth Holehouse: 21:45

It's not about getting rich. It's about putting your money into an asset that protects you against inflation and against the destruction of the currency, which is what happens to all fiat currencies, especially now we're in the end days of the dollar. And so that's why it's important, maybe not all of your money, but a portion of your money, a portion of what you have, I highly recommend putting it into precious metals of gold and silver because what it's doing is it's protecting you. This is an asset that has stood the test of time, not just stood the test of time since the 1930s, we're talking about the rise and fall of civilizations. Gold was used to buy houses back in ancient Rome.

Seth Holehouse: 22:24

It's still around. It's an asset that will forever have its value. So folks, if you want to do this and you need someone you can trust, there's no person I can recommend more than Doctor. Kirk Elliott. He's a very good friend of mine.

Seth Holehouse: 22:37

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Seth Holehouse: 23:17

Man, so good. It's funny because I went to a liberal art school and somehow developed midway through my, know, bachelor degree there developed this mission to fight communism. Which like they're teaching us communism, I got to fight this. I can't go along with this. It seems like we're we walked some similar paths.

Seth Holehouse: 23:34

And so one of your recent books, which I'm gonna pull up here, so you've got Do Not Comply, which I want to talk about, but I want to first talk about this book, which is How to Win Friends and Influence Enemies. And so you also, when you were with PragerU, you spent a lot of your time doing this kind of man on the street in the campus, interviewing people and discussing. And I think that for a lot of the folks that are watching this show, because I interact with a lot of them and I also do speaking and you get a chance to interact with the people and see what's really like on the forefront of their minds. And I'd say one of the most important things that they feel is part of their mission is waking up their fellow Americans. You're helping them see that, you know, these these good things that you think that you're are doing good for society, whether it's supporting LGBTQ plus rights or, you know, you know, thinking that the the immigration and open borders are good things that gives everyone an equal opportunity in America or pushing what you know, the theories are teaching in college.

Seth Holehouse: 24:31

You you and I know and the audience knows that, you know, many of these things are really just communism rebranded in this these kind of woke social campaigns, but what ultimately what it does is it just progresses this communist agenda. And so we see that and we see that our country is very quickly heading towards a future that probably isn't that different than what we see in communist China right now with social credit scores, labor camps, etc. And we understand that yet, there's a lot of our fellow Americans that aren't just not fighting back against it, but they're going along with it. They've become useful idiots and getting them to stop that, getting them to wake up is so important. And so I look at you as as we mentioned before that we start recording as kind of like a professional waker upper, like someone that was on the streets discussing and developing tactics on how to get people to see the right side of history.

Seth Holehouse: 25:24

And so I want to focus on that and to see how what are your what's your experience with this and what is the practical advice you can give people when they're trying to help their friends, family, colleagues, etcetera, see what's really happening in our country?

Will Witt: 25:40

Yeah. There's a lot that goes into this. I think when you're talking about before that people see it as their their mission to go and help people or at least wake them up. There's this great story about this corn farmer who who would win this is hundred years ago, would win all these corn farming contests. He had the best seeds and always won this contest, but he would go around to his neighbors and their farms and give them his corn seeds.

Will Witt: 26:00

And the judge would come up to him and say, why would you give your corn seeds, your winning corn seeds to these other people right around you? And he says, well, if the other people around me have the good corn too, then they're all pollinating each other and the wind's blowing all the good nutrients from theirs to mine, and I can't win and have the corn if everyone else doesn't have the same great corn as I do. So I think that's kind of a a story on what we all should be looking to do when we're going in and having these discussions and what we wanna do. I find what's what's imperative to tell people is that most people nowadays, like, especially if you go on social media and these types of things or you're talking to someone, they're going into a conversation not trying to prove that the idea that they have is right. They're going to try to prove that they are right, and this is a fault.

Will Witt: 26:42

This is pride. This is vanity. It is me going into a discussion, wanting this person because I need some sort of validation or I have social anxiety, whatever it is. I need some sort of validation to prove that this person thinks that I am correct. I don't care if someone thinks I am correct.

Will Witt: 26:58

I care if they think that the ideas are true and right and then follow those ideas to their conclusion. That is the most important thing to me. So that's the first thing. And then what goes on more than this and how to actually break free from having it be about yourself and pride is actually by asking questions. Instead of going and telling somebody what you think, you are then asking them what they think.

Will Witt: 27:18

You are weaving the facts that are true about the situation into the questions instead of just out front telling them exactly what they need to be thinking already. Because in a lot of ways, we understand that the left doesn't care about hypocrisy. Right? We see this all the time. If the left has has the power in this country, then hypocrisy calling them out on it is meaningless because they're still the ones holding the gun.

Will Witt: 27:40

It doesn't matter to them if it's logical or not. So when we're going and having these conversations and trying to show that, you know, you're a hypocrite for believing this, it's not the best argument. What we need to be doing is asking them what they think and putting them on the defensive, So now they have to tell us exactly the outlines of their their ideas, their agenda, whatever it might be. If you can do that and you actually listen with some compassion and and some some understanding and knowing that this person might be able to help you with your ideas and actually teach you something. You're not just person going in knowing everything, trying to show them that you are correct.

Will Witt: 28:13

You can do so much good. It's about the questions. It's about compassion. You are you are compassionate when talking to normal people and and in conversations, but you are unflinching and unwavering on the ideas.

Seth Holehouse: 28:24

Which is interesting, the blend of just concepts you presented there because, you know, I've studied some personal coaching and psychology and some Tony Robbins and, you know, the various things to understand how the human mind works and, and you know, I've read How to Win Friends Influence People and, you know, one thing that you see throughout that is that people like when you give them attention, whether it's your enemy or not, they like when you ask about their personal life because actually, most people don't really ask about people. You might have someone that goes through their day to day life for a year and no one actually asked them, how are you doing today in a sincere way. And so that's a really good thing. Think I agree that it gets them to lower that that barrier. But you also in saying that you like removing yourself from it, and that's a really good point, because I think that for a lot of folks, they, you know, we feel like we've been red pilled, we've been been enlightened to the truth of what's really happening.

Seth Holehouse: 29:18

And I think it's easy to develop a sense of arrogance because of that, because we we feel like we're the right ones. But actually, think that that can be a very dangerous, a very dangerous thing that actually gets us in the way gets in the way of what we were trying to accomplish in the first place.

Will Witt: 29:33

Yeah, definitely. And I think we're seeing that right now and a lot with with the political candidates running for office on the Republican side. I think what we've done is look at candidate over principles in a lot of ways for that's not just Trump, you know, maybe DeSantis, maybe any of these people. And we're looking at them as instead these are these infallible candidates who can do nothing wrong, and the other side are just idiots, they need to wake up to this because I believe this, and that is, of course, a % right, and just follow the candidate, and the candidate's gonna fix all the problems for us. But you can't fix all the problems in the country without ideas.

Will Witt: 30:05

I mean, the ideas are the most important part. And what it seems to me is that we are losing that sense of of being able to separate people from ideas. And that's really sad because you can't really have any sort of good dialogue with someone if the only thing that you're looking at is is the person. It's like it's like someone like me who was in 2020 going to the stop the steal rallies and and supporting Donald Trump and everything, you know, and then people coming at me and saying, well, know, you are this type of person. You must believe this because you support Donald Trump, and it's like, that's wrong.

Will Witt: 30:36

That that is not the case of how it should be. It's like, I know Democrats who I have met, who I like better than a lot of Republicans themselves, you know, maybe they're more anti vaxx or they care about the environment more than some corporate khaki pants wearing Republican who I hate, you know, something like that. It's like we're so worried about these these people and and and instead of worrying about the ideas, and I think a big fault of us right now.

Seth Holehouse: 31:01

Hey folks, I have a quick message for you. Thank you so much for watching listening to this interview. I have one small request. If you're enjoying what you're listening to, could you please share this interview with one person, just one person. Because of censorship and shadow banning, it's so hard to get this content out to more people, and the only way we can really do it is when you help by sharing it.

Seth Holehouse: 31:22

So if you like what you're listening to, hit pause, share it with one person. It helps so much. Thank you so much. It's funny you mentioned that because in the neighborhood we lived in before this, there's a different kind of selection of different people we're living next to. And it was funny because the woman that we identified almost the most with was this extreme liberal teacher at a local college because she was into gardening, she was into natural environments, she ate all organic, she wasn't using any kind of pesticides.

Seth Holehouse: 31:49

And then the person right next to her, who is a strong Republican is a guy that's out spraying Roundup all over his yard. And it's like, there's so, you know, it's not this black and white thing, like, they've mixed it all together. Or say, we'll go to some Republican event, they've got rock and roll music playing. And it's like, okay, that's fine, the rock and roll. But then you go to some, you know, to say the ballet, which, you know, in say New York might be much more of the liberals, and there's people that are appreciating this beautiful ballet and the beautiful classical music.

Seth Holehouse: 32:19

And, you know, you think actually that, wow, like, there's something off here because they're like, in a lot of ways, it's the liberals that have, they've infiltrated, but they've also maintained a lot of that culture and that appreciation of the arts. Whereas, again, a lot of the Republicans I know, not to say all of them, but they're fantastic people and they're protecting our country, but they might be, you know, smoking cigarettes and drinking, you know, not maybe not Budweiser anymore, but, you know, drinking a 12 pack of beer and shooting their guns off in the backyard. It just it's it's not this black and white thing anymore.

Will Witt: 32:51

Right. And there's a time and place for everything that you're saying, you know, you can love like, you should be able to love rock and roll and beer and smoking a cigarette, you know, with your fan and also, like, you know, wanna go and see Wagner or, you know, or, you know, Beethoven and and Tchaikovsky, something like that at the same time. You know? Like, you should be able to to bridge the gap between those things and be able to do both and be more of a well rounded type of person. But our our political landscape now, I blame a lot with social media, the entertainment industry, politicians as well, who have pitted us so much in this Republican versus Democrat, but it's not that.

Will Witt: 33:25

I mean, you come to realize, like, exactly what you're saying, what I'm saying, it is not this Republican versus Democrat thing. It is it is good versus evil. It is the elites versus the rest of us, the people who wanna turn us into slaves. And I think what's very important what you're talking about with going to see that ballet or something like that is that our world no longer has the appreciation for beauty that we once had, whereas beautiful architecture and music and sculpture and and writing and oration and all these things, these were seen as as I mean, some of the greatest things that you could do in in in humanity, right, creating these beautiful things. Geniuses would would devote their lives to these kinds of things.

Will Witt: 34:01

And now we have you go and see the buildings that we have. They're hideous and ugly. Great speeches and and things like that have been replaced with podcasts, you know, like very easy listening type of stuff. Everything is just the the lowest common denominator for what you can make. There's not really any sense of real, like, creation of something new.

Will Witt: 34:21

It's just kinda like a copy of a copy of a copy, and it destroys any sort of innovation. And if you lose beauty, then you demoralize your people. And I think the elites want us to be demoralized. That's why they don't want anything to be beautiful anymore.

Seth Holehouse: 34:34

I couldn't agree more. It's funny you, as you talk about that, I thought of Shen Yun. I'm sure if you've the Shen Yun show before, but it's to me, like the pinnacle example because these are people that escaped communism in China, and they wanted to revive this five thousand year history of China, which was this like beautiful, magnificent culture before the CCP got ahold of it. And it's the exact thing, you go to modern China and it's just, it's, it's disgusting that the moral principles of what they're promoting, you know, coming through the Chinese Communist Party with atheism and really the communist architecture, everything is there. But you also have, like, what they're doing with Shen Yun is is the exact opposite.

Seth Holehouse: 35:11

This is revival. So it does give me hope. But something I wanted I wanted to ask you in terms of more specifics is that when you come across people that have had very different views than yours, and you've used these particular I don't even want to call them techniques. It's just they're just ways of interacting with humans, I think, in a very genuine and sincere way, which is really one of the main points I got from the original book How to Win Friends and Influence People is that you have to be sincere about this. Have to sincerely care about the person you're asking about, right?

Seth Holehouse: 35:42

Have you, do you have any stories or examples of when you've been able to successfully take somebody that had very different and maybe even more communist views of the world and help them see through that?

Will Witt: 35:56

Oh, yeah. Lots of times, man. It's been great going out on campus and or on the streets of LA, wherever it is that I went and being able to do that. One thing that I'll just say before I even mention that is that not everyone's mind is willing to be changed. That's just something that we also realize.

Will Witt: 36:10

If everyone's mind was able to be changed to the perfect, you know, sinless mind, we wouldn't have any of the problems that we have in America today or around the world. So, it's a it's a utopia that will never exist. So that's just something to keep in mind when you are talking to people. For any of the listeners out there, don't take it personally when someone's mind doesn't change based off of the things you say. It doesn't have to be your fault that that their mind didn't change.

Will Witt: 36:33

Again, that's putting pride into it. That's putting vanity into it. Don't do that when you're going and talking. But yeah. I mean, I've had of the most successful ones that I was able to do was about abortion with talking to pro choice people and going and talking to them, because what I would do is start asking them about, well, do you know what it looks like in the womb when it is nine months old?

Will Witt: 36:52

Right? And you start there and then see if they can describe it. Or what do you think about six month olds? See if they can describe it. You know, three months old, see if they can describe it.

Will Witt: 37:00

And you go all the way down to the start of life. You know? I do know at 21, or 21 is already a heartbeat on on a child. Like, when they're here, they're like, oh my goodness. I had no idea that was the case.

Will Witt: 37:12

And you can actually go all the way down, all the way up until conception and say, well, if it's like this this entire time, what makes it any different here when it is also this here? I think that if you can break things down in very simple terms like that and give people the chance to answer and not know the answer, and then when someone says, oh, I don't know, or they get the answer wrong, you don't say, idiot. You obviously don't know anything. You come and say, well, what do you know about six months? You know, you just continue the conversation with them and keep going and just keep asking questions, and eventually, their mind will wake up because at the end of the day, it's it's not you changing that person's mind, it's them changing their own mind because they couldn't answer the question that you gave them.

Will Witt: 37:53

And that's what's so important to remember. But, yeah, I've had a lot of examples. It's been it's been a lot of fun. That has always been my thing when I've gone out on the street and interviewed people, the the thousands of people that I've interviewed. You know, there's all these all these people who go out trying to just make liberals look so stupid and and those gotcha moment videos and things like that.

Will Witt: 38:11

And granted, I've had people in my videos look very dumb. There's no doubt about it. That's just the the prevalence of of what happens when you do these kind of things. But my my paramount principle has always been to change minds. And even if I don't change the mind of the person who I'm talking to that day, maybe someone who's watching who's never heard these questions or ideas might have their mind changed on it as well.

Seth Holehouse: 38:30

And when you're interacting with these people, do you have this perception of them and you're thinking this person is just some either dumb liberal or they're actually malicious and there's some communist or are you thinking to yourself, this person's actually confused? This person maybe thinks they're doing the right thing, but they've actually been deceived? Like, what mindset do you take going into it?

Will Witt: 38:50

Well, I think it definitely depends on the person. Like, if I'm going I've been to all these different rallies, the women's march and the pro immigration rallies and the communism marches, like all these things in LA that they have basically every weekend these days. But I I would go to all of these things and, you know, you're talking to some college student there and you see them and you ask them about what they believe, and their their opinions go this deep. It's incredibly shallow. And so when I hear someone like that, I'm like, man, I feel bad for this person.

Will Witt: 39:18

I feel bad that they are that they have these ideas that are evil. I mean, communism is the most evil, insidious ideology in human history. There's no doubt about it. Killed a hundred million people. It's it's completely evil.

Will Witt: 39:30

So for someone to think that rationally, obviously, it must be pretty shallow. But then you go and talk to the leaders of these movements, and I've done that too, where I go and, like, I talk to these people at a, what was it? It was like a native native, like, reclaiming the land communism march. I mean, I haven't I haven't even these things happen. It's hard to understand.

Will Witt: 39:50

But, I go and talk to one of these leaders there, and you can tell that they they understand what they are trying to do. And so there's a different mindset going into a conversation like that. You are actually trying to these people are trying to instill an agenda on you that they know is is not good, but will give them some sort of selfish purpose. And and that's the same, like, if you talk to one of these Republicans. Right?

Will Witt: 40:12

You talk to a Republican candidate, and you can tell with a lot of them that they aren't doing it because they care about America or care about the people or their district or whatever it is. They're doing it because they know that these types of ideas that they are now professing can get them some sort of notoriety or money or clouds or a book deal or or power over others, whatever it might be. So I think it's very important that when we're going to all these conversations, we're looking at the people who we're actually talking to.

Seth Holehouse: 40:38

It's such a good point. And what about courage? Because that's the other thing with this is there's one is just understanding how to navigate the conversation and how to get them to lower their guard by asking questions. And I think ultimately similar to what a good psychologist does is getting the person themselves to actually have the moment. In fact, they figured it out instead of you telling them what it is, right, which is great, you know, questioning and everything.

Seth Holehouse: 41:03

But I think that, you know, even for myself, say I'm at a family dinner, or I'm with some, say some friends from high school, and I know that they've got very different views of me. And it's just it's very easy to say, well, I'm not gonna bring it up right now, because it's gonna make the conversation tense, or it's gonna be uncomfortable. And I think a lot of people actually just never even venture into that space where they're trying to talk to people. But obviously, for you to walk into a women's march rally and start having these conversations or or say go talk to Antifa or whatever it is, Courage comes into that. And so have you always just been a courageous person?

Seth Holehouse: 41:38

Or did you have to go through some process to figure out how to actually do that? Alright, folks, I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?

Seth Holehouse: 42:04

This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.

Seth Holehouse: 42:37

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Seth Holehouse: 43:02

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Will Witt: 44:29

Oh, no. I grew up incredibly shy and bashful and never wanted to talk to anyone. I played a lot of Pokemon when I was a kid on my Game Boy and read a lot of books. And that was that felt like courage to me. I mean, you know, that was that was the extent of me going and talking to people.

Will Witt: 44:45

My brother was like, he was the very outgoing one and all that, my older brother, and so I followed him around doing things and and would just just be in the shadows. I mean, I did when I started out doing this and was making these first videos, they were not very good going back and watching these things, not nearly as good as I I was able to get at it. And seeing my first speeches, they were terrible. I mean, I'm I'm a nervous wreck going up. I'm I'm saying the wrong things.

Will Witt: 45:09

I can't keep my ideas in in a in a straight cohesive line. I mean, it's terrible, these things. But but when I finished a bad speech and I got these kids laughing at me for how bad I did, I I didn't say, well, now I can't speak anymore. Now I can't do this anymore. I said, well, I'm gonna be even better.

Will Witt: 45:24

I'm going to to to build myself and not let my my insecurities of how it just did destroy me. Right? I'm gonna get I'm gonna go and do it again and get even better and practice and practice. The only way to get better at something is by by practicing. And I think that courage is the most important virtue because all the other virtues rest on courage.

Will Witt: 45:42

You know? You have to be brave to do all of the other ones as well. So I think without courage, America's lost. And and it's easy to think that courage is like you only think of it in the sense of, like, slaying a dragon or or, you know, saving some kid from a burning building or something like that. But there's real courage in all sorts of of different ways in our lives that we don't even realize.

Will Witt: 46:03

And I can say pretty confidently that you that that you are unable to live a life worth living without courage. If you do not have courage in your life, then you are not living a life that is worth living because God wants you to be courageous as well.

Seth Holehouse: 46:16

I also think that I couldn't agree more that if we don't have courage at this time in history, we won't have America anymore. I mean, I think it's it's that it's that serious. And so, you know, kind of bridging the courage conversation into the how to resist this agenda, right? So the other this your other book, which you recently have released, called Do Not Comply, right? And these are all you can get these any place you can purchase books.

Seth Holehouse: 46:41

So do not comply, it says, taking power back from America's corrupt elite. This is also really important because we've we've we've talked about this battle of of, you know, the We the People versus small group of elites, which are probably satanic, and who knows if they're even human for all we know. I mean, they're monsters if you look what they're doing to this world. Exactly. And so we've established that, yes, okay, a big part is waking up our fellow Americans, waking up people, you know, getting more people to see through the propaganda and the lies and the deceit, having the courage to do that.

Seth Holehouse: 47:10

But we're also, you know, they've talked about these lockdowns two point o, you know, are we gonna wear a mask? Are we gonna get our jabs again? Are we gonna go through that whole process? Or are we gonna not comply? And so I think that the conversation for a lot of people is how do we take power back from the elites?

Seth Holehouse: 47:26

How do we conquer these people that have unlimited money, unlimited resources, unlimited power over the media and all these things? Like how can we possibly how can we possibly win against them?

Will Witt: 47:39

Well, I think it really is the title of the book. It is do not comply. I mean, I I think people look at America and what the future is and they think of 1984 and they think of Big Brother watching over them and men with guns coming and telling them what to say and all of this. I don't see that. I mean, I've I've seen a little bit of that, but but in reality, I don't see us as an authoritarian state in in the dictatorship sense of the word of of oppression by minority in in terms of the government control.

Will Witt: 48:05

I see it much more as a brave new world type of mentality, where in brave new world, it is positive reinforcement. If you can make people want to be slaves, if you can make people want to love their servitude, then you can control them forever. And that's what complying is. Complying is telling the elites that you are okay with them controlling your life, with with giving you everything you want, because that's what we have in America. You have a bloated government that gives you everything that you want.

Will Witt: 48:33

You have a entertainment system with an an an entertainment and media that is endless dopamine hits and and basically SOMA as in the the book Brave New World and and endless amount of vices you can partake in at an unforeseen rate here in America today, in the West today in general. And so, basically, you have every single thing that you want. You're comfortable, you're safe, and if someone can provide you to keep that comfortability and safety, people are going to go along with it. But, again, the only way to live a life worth living is to have courage and embrace suffering. Suffering comes in your life.

Will Witt: 49:05

If you're not willing to embrace that suffering, then you're not willing to you're not ready to be a truth teller. You cannot be a truth teller and someone who is doing what is correct and what is right if you are not ready for suffering. Because the elites, the the radical left, all these horrible people in charge of our country, they hate you. They do not it's not about disagreeing with you or just wanting power over you. They hate your ideals.

Will Witt: 49:27

They hate the way you live. They hate that you want to be autonomous over yourself, and so they will try to destroy you. They will try and ruin you. And that's something that people have to realize and that it will take suffering. It will take hard work.

Will Witt: 49:39

It will take destruction almost in a way for us to to to fix these things. You can't comply with the people who just wanna have you live some safe and comfortable life. You have to seek danger out. Build your houses on the slopes of Vesuvius and and go out there and and and change America.

Seth Holehouse: 49:56

And what happens if enough Americans don't comply?

Will Witt: 50:03

Well, then I think they can't do it. I think I think that they're not allowed to do it. I mean, like, in Los Angeles, we did this rally. It was called the defeat the mandates rally. This was, what, a year and a half ago, something like that.

Will Witt: 50:16

And that was 25,000 people in Los Angeles who got to City Hall and set up this rally to stop the COVID nonsense and mandates in LA County. And we did it. I mean, we did a fantastic job and influenced things there. It was by people not complying. It was by me going to the grocery store with no mask and getting flipped off and cursed at by people, but them having to to still serve me because I wouldn't I wouldn't say no.

Will Witt: 50:41

I'm coming in to get my my food. Right? I'm not gonna leave and and not do that. So it takes people like that so they can't enforce it. But if it's like the stigma, like, I'll talk to college kids.

Will Witt: 50:51

Like, I just got back from a month long book tour, and I'll talk to college kids, and they'll be so afraid to speak up for what they believe in, so so worried about people are gonna think about them or their grade or work, whatever it might be. And I always say, I'm like, if all of the college kids in this room or in in America said, I'm going to be brave and stand up for what I believe in, then there is no more stigma. There is no more stigma of fear, and then they can't give you a bad grade for what you believe in anymore because everyone's doing it. But if you just have these small individuals coming up and and doing it one at a time, they're gonna continue to to pummel these types of individuals who are the brave ones. So I think that it really takes all of us if we wanna fix America.

Will Witt: 51:28

I think you can fix yourself and be that brave person yourself and and live a good life with courage and all this, but that doesn't that's not enough to fix America. If we wanna fix America, then it has to be all of us saying no more to this stigma.

Seth Holehouse: 51:41

Alright. So final question for you. You've spent a lot of time on college campuses, which I think for a lot of us, we we look at that and with this perception that our our youth is done, right? Like, they've they've just like Lennon, what is, you know, Lennon's dream, they've seized the hearts and minds of our youth and now say 50% of them were not Marxists, etc. And it's very worrying.

Seth Holehouse: 52:00

But from what you're seeing, is there hope? Is there hope on the current college campus? Are there enough kids that are seeing through this agenda? Or is it just some giant Marxist orgy porgy?

Will Witt: 52:13

Yeah. Well, I do think it is the Marxist orgy porgy. Not gonna lie there. That's definitely the truth of the situation. I mean, colleges are no longer really places for real learning or challenge at least.

Will Witt: 52:24

It's just a place where like, have a whole problem with the school system in America because the school system in America, public schools, colleges now, basically, they're just they teach people how to memorize. It's and you get out of school, and it is who is the best memorizer. You're not learning anything. You're not learning how to create something or be articulate or or anything like this. It is who memorized the best.

Will Witt: 52:42

And whoever memorized the best now gets the highest grades and the highest accolades in this in this post knowledge and post learning society that we've created. And so I don't think that the colleges or the public schools in that matter are doing a good job whatsoever. And I think that like, we have kids who are going to a university and they're conservative and they're trying to become a conservative doctor or something like this and then speak out against these powers of being. I I herald them for that. That's an amazing beautiful thing, and I I applaud you.

Will Witt: 53:11

But it's tough when you have to give $50,000 a year to this university that hates your values just so that you can be a part of their cabal and part of their group to try and fight it from the inside. It's it's upsetting that we can't fight these things from the outside, like the medical establishment and and, excuse me, the big pharma establishment or the media establishment because they make it so that you now have to have these ludicrous degrees to do anything in America. So I go both ways on it. I see hope in the fact that there are people who have good values who are trying to get into these positions of power to change things. I don't have hope because we're making these colleges and things exorbitantly wealthy and continuing to fund them and be a part of them and herald them as institutions that mean something where we should more so be looking at them as failures and that they no longer represent what they were were told that they were supposed to.

Will Witt: 54:02

It's like our politicians. It's like we wonder why the politicians don't get anything done. It's because we, the people, don't demand anything from them. We continue to vote for them, and and there's an r next to your name. I'm gonna vote for you.

Will Witt: 54:13

And if we don't demand anything from them, then they're going to continue to be sleazeballs and pieces of garbage, you know, on both sides of the aisle. It's the same with the colleges. We demand nothing from them, but pay them all this money and attend their classes and treat them as these higher institutions when they're not anymore. So we have to demand more from them, and and and I think if we do that, then we can really start to do some change. But I do, of course, see glimmers of hope in a lot of the students I talk to, and I'm very proud to know a lot of them.

Seth Holehouse: 54:38

That's great. So really, I mean, it comes back to us, like each and every single person that's following or watching or interacting with this, know, even whether someone shares this video or not. I mean, that's that's an act of saying, hey, let's get this information out there. It really comes back to us. Well, Will, I know you're a busy guy and I thank you for the time that you've given me today.

Seth Holehouse: 54:56

I'll put the links that we've showed up on here during the interview in description. So for Florida Standard, your books, your Prager page, etc. So again, thank you for just being a strong voice. And also thank you for showing the audience that there are still young people like, you know, yourself and myself, I'd still consider myself young, that care about the future of our country. That right there gives me hope.

Will Witt: 55:20

Thank you, man. Appreciate it a lot. And you're doing the same thing. So God bless you too, man. It means a lot.

Seth Holehouse: 55:25

Thank you very much.