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The Smoke Trail, hosted by Smoke Wallin, is a journey into awakening consciousness, weaving authentic stories and deep discussions with inspiring guests to unlock high performance and perfect health. Each episode delves into spirituality, leadership, and transformation, offering tools to transcend trauma and find your bliss along the way. It’s a reflective space for achieving peak potential and inner peace in a distraction-filled world.
Our next episode, the science of transformation with Leanne Bucaro on Leadership Signal, The Nervous System, and our Software Update. Leanne is the CEO and co founder of Strata Originals. She's purpose driven and cares deeply about connecting and making deposits in the world that have a positive social impact. Across twenty five plus years of interviewing, producing, and helping global CEOs build public platforms, a pattern emerged in how leadership was being experienced under pressure. At Strata, that pattern became a method, leadership signal calibration for CEOs.
Smoke:I'm super excited to welcome Leanne. I hope you'll enjoy this great conversation. Leanne, welcome to The Smoke Trail.
Leanne:Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here on The Smoke Trail.
Smoke:Super excited to have you. So I was looking at some of your material and kind of this came to me as just like an opening thought. Insight does not change the pattern. A CEO can see exactly where they distort and still distort because the autopilot that fires under that threat runs below thought. When credibility, authority, or identity is challenged, the nervous system answers before words do, and the room feels it first.
Smoke:Change the mechanism underneath, and the signal lands clean.
Leanne:Exactly.
Smoke:It needs to be like, you know, kinda core to to how you guys are thinking about things and how you're helping leaders own the room and therefore own the conversation or what they're trying to do.
Leanne:Exactly. Exactly. And here's the thing. So leaders have a really strong signal. And if we know that leadership is experienced, then when you are in a room or even not in a room, but let's just for the sake of argument say in a room, and a threat comes into your identity, credibility, or authority.
Leanne:Someone I'll use real examples. A CEO who used to lose it if someone somebody walked in late. They looked at it as disrespectful. That translated as a threat to their authority. We run auto script when we perceive a threat.
Leanne:And it's all old programming that at some point worked when your brain told your nervous system, Here, use this, because this worked before. But over the years, it doesn't work anymore. But nobody's updated that auto script. So when there's pressure in the room, when there's a threat to one of those three areas, then the auto script runs and people feel it at the nervous system level. Before words.
Leanne:It's before words. It's invisible. And even knowing about what that autopilot is, it doesn't help. Like, Mike Matte uses the phrase, you can't see the label from inside the jar. And that is exactly the same he uses it for marketing, but it's exactly the same principle here.
Leanne:Yeah. You can't see the distortion because it's inside you. Mhmm. That's why I was curious about your journey with monks because it's all about inner work. So if if this is happening, even CEOs who claim they have done work on somatic system and they do yoga and things like that, it's still too late because the auto programming runs with that threat.
Leanne:It's that fight, flight, or stay reaction. And the minute that kicks in, then the autopilot runs. And it's just like old programming. And they when they're inside it, they can't see it. At the point that they realize, oh, I'm not having a good reaction, And they say, okay, I'm going to really control my somatic system.
Leanne:I'm going to calm. I'm going to it's too late. Because they've already sent the signal out. Because it's nervous system to nervous system. And women know this more inherently than men, that when we were in a room, we're always scanning for safety.
Leanne:Women are. But when you are in the room with a leader, people are always asking themselves, is this leader safe to follow? Do I trust them? Should I stay? Should I go?
Leanne:Should I stay quiet? Should I look away? They're uncomfortable because they felt that at a nervous system level. It's biology. So when the auto programming runs, it's already too late.
Leanne:So Yeah. That's why at the very basic level, knowing about the distortion or the auto programming or the misfire, whatever we call it, doesn't help you get rid of it.
Smoke:Yeah. So let me put it in my words and and tell me if if I'm talking about the same thing. Sure. When you talk about distortions in the audit programming, what we're talking about is the moments in time, usually in childhood, where we establish separation and the identity as an independent in individual separated from god, separated from source, whatever you wanna call it. And that so when we experience a traumatic thing, and that could be as simple as you got stuck in your crib crying to much more direct trauma.
Smoke:We and you can't process it at that moment because you're not you don't have the circuits and you don't know how to do it. Your body automatically protects you and puts it you know, stores that energy into your fascia or some part of your body and for it to be resolved later. But then we have more trauma and then we have more examples and more things and it layers on. It layers on and it becomes like dense matter that's stuck inside our bodies, which are the automatic responses and it's where we created separation. So it doesn't you can't just decide that they're gonna go away.
Smoke:It's actually a in-depth process of purification to clear that stuff out so that it's not there when you're in the room, when you're in that moment. And, you know, and there's probably a continuum of clearing, right? So we clear, we grow a bit, and then we're able to re examine, recontextualize those events and clear it deeper and clear it deeper, right? So like the ones that are your core wounds, they don't happen all, like instantly. So is that what you're referring to?
Smoke:I talking about it the right way?
Leanne:So what you're talking about is kind of origin state. Those, when we're developing as a child, things do go back that far. But what we concentrate on is the older distortion, the older state when, you know, people are coming up if we're talking about CEOs specifically because they are the ones that are in the highly pressurized rooms. And so they on their way up to get to where they are, they've encountered a lot of situations that have threatened their credibility, authority, identity, those three categories. And when there's pressure in the room, when they perceive a threat to that now the identity one is interesting because the when identity gets threatened, they those threats tend to go.
Leanne:Because when I calibrate, I follow the pattern back to wherever it originated. Yep. The longest one that I've had so far was seven. Seven years old, to break that auto programming. But if we look at even some of the auto scripts that run that get developed as you make your way into a CEO position, or if you're in capital markets and you're always in capital market rooms looking for money, there's a lot of auto script that runs because people tell themselves, you know, there's a lot of questions that happen.
Leanne:The room gets pressurized on purpose because people are trying to see how much conviction you have, and and they're questioning everything. So if you distort or misfire and auto script runs, which is that threat to identity, credibility, or authority, the room feels it. And as you know, especially in capital market rooms, it's all about trust. So when you're distorting, no trust is being formed at all. And if 50% of the equation is about, can I trust the CEO or this person that is asking for money?
Leanne:Yeah. People shut down because what happens what happens when you distort is depends on what the distortion is. So when identity is threatened, a really common leadership signal distortion for identity is command mode. So they get very angry. They get harsh.
Leanne:They get sharp, and they look like they're in that fight mode. So, you know, tell you tell me. I'm sure you've been on the both sides of the table. Like For sure. Is that is the worst place to be.
Leanne:And I've even had a CEO who yelled from a stage and swore at somebody from a stage when they went into that command mode. And it's just autopilot running. Now that goes far back. That goes far back, that yelling one. But I've also had CEOs who are visionary CEOs, and they've had to deal with things, by coming down off their altitude and getting into the muck of step aside.
Leanne:I'll do it myself. And that's the worst place for a visionary CEO to be. So it's it's very it's difficult for them to operate there. So a common command mode for a visionary is because I classify I see color when when in about the first minute or so when we're in discovery. And what that is is just what my nervous system says, somatic systems, their, language pattern, their posture, what their eyes are doing, and my brain shows me a color.
Leanne:It's just their signal. And Yeah. Over time, I figured out what that means to me. So when I say purple, it's visionary, and you're yellow, by the way. And you're very you're an illuminator.
Smoke:Okay.
Leanne:Would that be true? Would would you yeah.
Smoke:I think so. I mean, it's funny. I got my I was at Greg Braden's retreat a couple weeks ago, four day thing. It was actually way exceeding my expectations. It was great.
Smoke:And they had all these vendors in the in the lobby, and and I I got my chakra, you know, red and the the the you know, they took a picture of it, whatever they showed. And it was a very bright yellow.
Leanne:Oh, there you go.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:Yeah. But it's also your leadership signal color. So, I mean, yes, it may be related to chakras. I haven't actually gone there because I've been focusing on leadership signals. So how how a leader is experienced, and so I feel you're experienced as an illuminator.
Leanne:So you illuminate things for other CEOs, people, staff, people around you. And so that's interesting that you say that you were a yellow when you had your chakras read.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:And and so what does that mean to you? Well, like, when they said yellow, what does that mean?
Smoke:Well, they they so they they said that is heart centered color. And so I had that. There was a couple other colors. There was some purple and some a little bit of green, but the main thing was was yeah. You see that too?
Leanne:Yeah. Stabilizer. That's a stabilizer. Yeah. Because you're very grounded.
Leanne:So yeah. I said, sorry. I get excited when you say things like that.
Smoke:Yeah. No. It's cool. It's really cool. And that and that's that's what's exciting about this conversation because, you know, it's a it's a great bridge from, you know, that spiritual world, which is a certain lane and not not all leaders are, you know, jumping with both feet into that yet, to the practical application of this energy work and understanding the distortions and understanding how to resolve them that you guys are that you're doing that I think is a direct bridge.
Smoke:Right? And you you don't maybe not use all the same language and you probably don't even tell your clients necessarily what color they are. But you're I
Leanne:do actually. I do.
Smoke:Yeah. But you're reading you're reading it and you're and now you have a map that you understand what those mean because you've done it enough. Have you always seen colors? Is it like Yeah. From when you were a little girl, you could see people's colors?
Leanne:Yeah. Now the interesting thing is not for everybody. So I I tend to see and that's why I associated it with leadership. Because we've had I've done this with over I guess it's getting close to 700 CEOs now. And this is and I consistently see colors.
Leanne:And when I first started recognizing what it was and what it meant to me because the key was, okay. That's great that I'm seeing colors. I didn't know if it was aura, chakra. Like, what is why am I seeing this color? And so and then I started just it started hitting me what those colors meant to me.
Leanne:Like, I don't I didn't look anything up. Like, this is just because it doesn't matter to me what any book says about leadership colors or anything like that. I was just trying to figure out internally what was happening.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:And so that's why, to me, purple is visionary, red is command, yellow is illuminator, blue is integrator, green is stabilizer, orange is builder. Like, it's just white is mirror, which is I've only had one white CEO that was very exhausting, and they didn't end up being a client, which I was kind of relieved about because mirrors are very hard to co regulate and get them to a steady state. Mhmm. And so I started when we would do signal diagnostic discovery, which is that 90 session where we take you through all of your rooms and just put a little bit of pressure in the room through conversation. And within the first thirty seconds to a minute, I see a color.
Smoke:Mhmm.
Leanne:And I started texting it to Alan, to Crystal, whoever was on the call. And then at the very end, after we had been through all of their different rooms, where the pressure is, where they distort, that kind of thing, at the very end, I ask quickly without thinking, what color would you associate with your leadership? And right from the get. And 100% of the time it has matched the color that I have from the beginning. But I think that happens because they've been through an interstate.
Leanne:Like it's an interstate discovery when we go through that ninety minute session. Yeah. If I asked them at the beginning, I wouldn't trust it. But because I've taken them through a process, that's why I think they have experienced that interstate, and and it just comes out like they don't know why. Most of them say, I don't know why I just said that.
Leanne:So I even had one CEO, the purple visionary, say purple. But I don't know, on a scale to red. And I didn't say anything at the time, but they had a very clear red mask that showed up right before they distorted. So that was the command mask. So I said, oh, really?
Leanne:So purple to red. And it was dead on. It's just they didn't know that the red was their mask. So
Smoke:Yeah. No. It's really cool. And so these are what I would call subtle energies. Right?
Smoke:So as we evolve, we, you know, we start out as these little animal humans that have all these emotions and thoughts and feelings and all this stuff. And we're trying to figure out how to live with that. And those drown out the subtle energies. And it's only when we actually are able to kind of rise above those things, those emotions, those thoughts, and everything else, which is where the meditation and other practices, I think, are extremely useful, that we cannot even perceive these subtler energies. Right?
Smoke:And then at some point, if you can be completely in stillness, the awareness of all the flow of what's happening happens. And it just like, oh, okay. I see that. So you've you were seeing it from the early on from your as a child, not knowing what you were seeing, but just reading it. And, you know, I think it's really interesting that, you know, has kind of a it's a continuum of completely unaware of anything to you see all you read all the energies and see everything.
Smoke:Right? So and and and that can evolve over someone's life, but some people are born with it.
Leanne:Yeah. I think I went. Well, because I'm neurodivergent, I move through the world in pattern. Like, everything has a pattern. Rooms have a pattern.
Leanne:People have a pattern. And that's actually how I calibrate through pattern. The challenge for me was finding the the process business language that someone else could also follow that to get to the same place I was. That was the challenging part. So the the whole calibration part of it was super easy to me, and that was the part interestingly that people kept saying to me, you're magic.
Leanne:You're a psychic, you're intuitive, that kind of thing. And I didn't exactly agree with that. I knew that I was doing something. I just couldn't name what it was. So that's why that my whole self discovery journey was so important because I had to actually understand myself before I could get to what I was actually doing.
Leanne:Now Yeah. That's why I was so curious again about spending time with the monks and being in total stillness. I'm not sure I could do that. I mean, it would be a challenge for me, and I think I'd be up for that challenge one day. But it's very hard, difficult for me to be still.
Leanne:Because even when I'm trying to be still, when I meditate, my mind still moves through patterns of things that I saw during the day because my processor is different, and it's slower because I take in so much. So I move through pattern when I'm trying to meditate. I I don't know that I ever get to the point of total stillness, which I know is the goal. But
Smoke:Yeah. Well, I think it's, you know, meditation and and, know, the the true yoga practices and breathing exercises. And there's a lot of modalities that are helping us get closer to that. But it's not really the act of meditation and the stillness. It's the time we spend with, in the presence of divinity.
Smoke:So the more still we are, the more we are, we can re, the the subtle energies are become noticeable, and we are in the presence of spirit of divinity of God, whatever you wanna call it. Yeah. And that changes us. So you can't be in the presence of divinity and not become changed. Like, it changes So us it's not so much like fighting for stillness, you know, in your meditation.
Smoke:It's more spending time doing it, letting the patterns well, just noticing the patterns going like, don't think about the pattern. Just like, oh, that's another pattern. And let it just but don't energize it. Don't like, well, what did that one mean? Right?
Leanne:Yeah. No. I don't do that.
Smoke:Yeah. If you can keep it as like, yeah, there's patterns, but I'm not I'm not energizing that. I'm just letting it flow through. That gets you closer to that stillness thing. Right?
Smoke:But it's it's interesting. Like, all these practices are literally about just getting you in the presence so that you'll change, and that's what happens.
Leanne:Yeah. Well and I I do think that I have been there a few times because it's almost it it felt to me it's a it's a very emotional experience when it happens. For me, it was. And I'm I'm not exactly sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I can only say that at that moment that I felt that presence that you talked about, it was very emotional, and it was almost it was a clarity that that happened that was very it would I was really affected, but it's almost like a before and after state of that moment. Like, after, it's like, life will never be the same.
Leanne:Like, it's a it's a moment of understanding, I think.
Smoke:Yes.
Leanne:Okay. So maybe we are talking about the same thing. I think
Smoke:we are. Totally. And and it's, you know, it unfolds when it when it's the right time to unfold and when you're, you know, in the right all we can do is kind of create the conditions through which it can unfold easier. You you increase the probability of it. But at the end of the day, it's driven by a higher self, not us.
Smoke:So but we our job is to calm the mind, get balanced, get as close to stillness as possible, and let it happen.
Leanne:Yeah. I have read something that and a neurodivergent people are at a pattern that is a higher like, closer to that divine energy because of the way because linear people run linear, and pattern people run higher in the pad like, when there's a pattern. Mhmm. And I don't I didn't understand the entire article, but what I took away from it was because we don't follow straight lines that the pattern allows us to if we naturally follow pattern, it allows us to elevate in a different way than what a neurotypical person would. And that's why I think there is likely some truth to you having some sort of neurodivergence, not that maybe it's not ADHD, but that you are you do tend to be more patterned.
Leanne:Because you totally get everything exactly the same way as I understand the world. That's what I find really interesting. And I think that would be really difficult for someone who's linear. So how how did you start on that, like, business world and spirituality and and what was that point for you?
Smoke:So, I mean, as a child, I had a way of, like, already knowing the answer to things before, yeah, I could know it. And so that was something I experienced a lot and had a lot of trauma that my, basically, my system blocked out to protect me. And so I I went and I was pretty driven entrepreneur and did a lot of new companies and took a lot of risks along the way that a lot of normal people wouldn't take. And I didn't really have an understanding of why why was I like that. And, you know, had big successes, had some big blow ups along the way, but always was able to kinda like, oh, okay.
Smoke:That one didn't work. Now, I'll do this one. And I was able to do that a lot of times. It wasn't until I was in Nepal on a business trip and went to Buddha's birthplace, and my friend David Spencer, I don't know if you know David, but David passed away a couple years ago, but he was he was on the trip with me. And he knelt he wasn't religious or anything, and but he knelt down, and we're at Buddha's birthplace in the Japanese temple, and he just was meditating or praying.
Smoke:And I was like, well, I'm here. I best I better do that too. And I knelt down, and I just had a simple but, obviously, very clear prayer, which was peace and love. And in that moment, I had electric shock go through my spine. Wow.
Smoke:And I was like, what was that? Like, I had no idea what it was, but I I was in a powerful place, and I and I I guess it was a very pure intention that I asked for. So I didn't really know what to make of it, but I was like, that was something. I didn't know I didn't have any words for it because I didn't study spiritual stuff. And, you know, it was just like, well, that was weird.
Smoke:But it wasn't it was fairly shortly after that that I was invited to sit with plant medicine in Canada and was able to crack open a bunch of these memories that were locked away. And it started small, and then it it built. And then over the course of the next year, I was basically uncovering all the trauma, clearing it, not understanding didn't know words like alchemy and alchemizing the you know, and all the different things that what I was experiencing. I experienced an entity removal from myself. I experienced a
Leanne:Wow.
Smoke:What what you would call, you know, a lot of us have soul fragmentation, and that's that's part of the separation, you know, part of the trauma is like your your whole self is fragmented. And so what you would call soul retrieval happened for me. But again, I didn't have any of these words. So first year was just uncovering, remembering, processing the emotions, and then getting to a point of forgiveness. And I somehow, that came to me as if I if I can under if I can know what happened, I I will forgive was just came to me.
Smoke:And it it wasn't like, oh, I just forgive, but I was like Right. It had a, you know, process. And then and then I spent the the next couple years just reading and learning everything I could learn about, like, what is it I'm dealing with? And so I went deep on, you know, the Buddha and the, you know, the Bhagavad Gita and the Panshads and the Christian mystics and the Kabbalah and, you know, I I went fairly deep on all that stuff. And then I've you know, you build a vocabulary, an understanding of what we're talking about.
Smoke:And if you spend enough time with that material, you see that, you know, strip away the cultural and the time it was recorded and the inevitable human errors that went into the translations and strip away all that, the core teachings are the same, and they're they're they're saying the same thing. And that we are divine beings on a in a project called Earth Human Yeah. Who have amnesia, and our job is to remember. And so that's the mission that we're actually on is remembering who we are, and that's discovering divinity within. And you can't get there without processing all the distortions and everything else.
Smoke:So I I think it's really interesting that you guys are doing this in a business setting in a practical way that is, like, a CEO can say, oh, well, that is actually gonna help me. You know? Oh. And you know, and and that's a good way to start. Like, oh, well, this helps me.
Smoke:Let me do this. Yeah. That probably leads to a lot of further work.
Leanne:Yes. Now I have we have both sides of CEOs. CEOs who have worked with me before, CEOs that have done some amount of self discovery inner work, some that have done none. And I can tell you when we get to the point of origin for this particular autopilot, because the goal is to get to this particular container that holds this exact autopilot, especially where it comes in a threat to credibility and authority because COs deal with that one a lot. It's really common.
Leanne:And it may be a few years ago. It may be ten years ago. It may be fifteen years ago. But when we get to that point where and it's through a pat it's pattern led back to that point. When it for me, it feels like a snap when we get there.
Leanne:For the CEO or the leader, they have a visceral reaction. Some cry. Some jump up, and it's like this weight has come off of them. And it's it's so visceral that it's just, like, out of their chair. And some, it's just, like, immediate tears.
Leanne:And Yeah. Every CEO has said well, and it has been all male CEOs, have said, wow. Like, I've never cried before. Or the ones that jump up say, oh, that was so heavy. Like, I'm so much lighter.
Leanne:Like, it it and I always laugh because it's very pressurized to get to that point. And it is like, I feel the snap. And they really feel the snap. Alan has also experienced it. He said his felt like a slap, and I said, well, that's appropriate because it's me to you, and we're kinda like a brother sister energy.
Smoke:Well, the the, in in my understanding, these emotional energy hairballs that are stuck inside from these different layers of trauma or separation, the distortions are you know, energy never goes away. Right? So it's always is always there. So if you didn't process it, it's stuck inside of you somewhere and it's interrupting the flow of divine energy. When you get to one of those points where the snap happens, where you clear one of these things, that energy doesn't go away.
Smoke:It transmutes and it goes back into your system. And so it makes sense that people would feel uplifted, weight lifted off, energized, like emotional because that energy that's been trapped now is back in circulation.
Leanne:Exactly. Exactly. And and that's also why so we've no matter what frame we use to talk about it, So if we use the spiritual frame, it's absolutely energy. If we use the business frame, it's distortion in autopilot, but it's the same effect. It's the stuck energy that is causing a reaction on your nervous system because it's stuck.
Leanne:If we use the business language, it's auto programming that your brain is telling your nervous system, oh, we've dealt with this before. You're in a fight, flight, or stay, so use this script. But the release is the same thing. It's a release of Yeah. If I call it autopilot script, they understand.
Leanne:Those that haven't done any self discovery or have any inner knowledge would wouldn't understand probably the energy side of it, but it is exactly that energy that is stuck and causes because when I see when I take them through the signal diagnostic, I see not just color, but shadow. And the shadow can be a it looks like so if you picture this Zoom call, it would be like my room my whole screen having, like, a black veil over it sometimes. Sometimes it's across their chest, on their face, behind them. It's in the room. Sometimes it's pattern.
Leanne:Sometimes it's thick. And so it's absolutely energy that I can I can actually see distort or a shadow where the energy is stuck?
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:So no matter what frame we use to talk about it, it's the same thing.
Smoke:Yeah. I I heard that what you described described as, like, the person's, you know, got this illuminated view of things and could see the energy and you could see and it was like people were covered in tar in different levels of like black tar that was covering up And their some people were, you know, lightly colored, just a little bit of it smeared on them. Some of them were like really dark and deep, you know, things, but kinda getting to the same thing, I think. Yeah. Those those distortions that that we carry.
Smoke:So you you do signal discovery, then you do calibration. What does that what does that entail?
Leanne:So that's so we go through if you think of signal discovery, it's like a a diagnostic scan. So if you were to go get an MRI, it's except it's of your leadership signal. Yep. And so we present that to the CEO, and that's where I had said, it doesn't matter if you're aware of where you're misfiring or where the distortions are. You can't clear them yourself from just cognitively knowing about them doesn't help clear them.
Smoke:Mhmm.
Leanne:And as you know, you can't clear your own energy unless you actually know what you're doing. So
Smoke:Yeah. You you I'd say yeah. I would say you can, but it's not, like, obvious how to do it. It's like
Leanne:No. Exactly.
Smoke:And it takes a lot of time and and it takes a lot of, like, patience to understand it. But, like, there it's like muscles that we don't know exist that we discover that you have to use them to practice them to be able to use them. So
Leanne:Exact exactly. So you I mean, you know that because you've been through this whole process. But people who've not even who've maybe only just started a self discovery journey or have never been on that would have no way of knowing how to do any of that. And many of these COs are are COs who've never even done yoga, been still, or meditated.
Smoke:Yep.
Leanne:So so we take them through that scan, and I can comfortably say, don't cognitively try to think your way through this because you'll just get exhausted. Yep. Because what happens is if if they cognitively try to think their way through it, when we get to calibration, they're going to be a little bit, maybe defensive, and then I it just takes longer to co regulate them. And because I'm patterned, I get them to a base state, and then I I just very lightly start to apply pressure on their next room that they've identified is their next high stakes room where they distort. But the thing is that distortion, as you know, because it is stuck energy, travels from room to room.
Leanne:So I usually start with the biggest one, and it has been I have had so they're ninety minute sessions. And with this one particular client, it took three full two hour sessions before I got to Origin. I had to go through 12 doors of distortions along the way to get to the origin of that particular shadow container or or distortion. And it's that's and then the the visceral reaction happens. And because it is partly auto programming that happens for what your brain says to your nervous system, I reframe it, I anchor it, and then I make them follow-up with me on it.
Leanne:Because I don't want to get them stuck in that same mode where another one appears. Like, I I wanna keep the energy flowing freely.
Smoke:Right. It's like a it's like a a groove well worn groove, like, a record or something that it's easy to pop back into that groove. So you've gotta you gotta change it, and you gotta fill it with something else.
Leanne:Yeah. You know? Exactly.
Smoke:Yep.
Leanne:Exactly. So so that's what happens during calibration. And but sometimes one distortion to clear that that major energy block takes, you know, up to well, that was six hours. And the thing is, like, I always when we start down that path, usually, it's not at all difficult to for for the CEO to make time in their schedule to do it as close together as they can. Because once they feel how they feel after the first session, when we start clearing some of these distortions that have been bothering them for years in sales rooms or partner rooms or board rooms or executive team rooms, and they start feeling the difference.
Leanne:It's not the same as when you actually click it when you get to the origin of wherever this started, but it is relief. And they want to go this CEO did it over two weeks. So he did the three two hour sessions over two weeks, and there were still some a few leftover sort of hanging around distortions related to that that we cleared afterwards that were a lot easier to clear. It's it's it's like, I don't know how you would you would explain it, but it's it's like two other small areas where things were getting stuck that I just saw. And for me, it's pattern based.
Leanne:Like, I can see it through a pattern. And it was interesting to me what you were saying about trauma when you went through that process because trauma has a very particular pattern to it that very different from what I deal with in leadership signal rooms. And I think because trauma has a different meaning for a lot of people, it's when I when I talk about a trauma pattern, I did a documentary on PTSD and first responders. And that was a very strong particular pattern. And so that's what I associate with trauma.
Leanne:And then everything else because I don't I'm not licensed to be a trauma therapist, but I would say when people say, Do you clear trauma? Well, define trauma. So if trauma is part of your distortion that I am clearing along the way, and I don't see it as a trauma pattern like a PTSD because that's some very deep work, then, of course, I'm gonna clear it.
Smoke:Right.
Leanne:So what
Smoke:Well, and and the my understanding is, you know, these are, like, stacks, energy stacks. Right? They're, like and what happens is it's almost like, I mean, that last snowflake that drops on the mountain that causes the avalanche. Yeah. So these things will clear a little a little a little, not at all, not at all, little little little.
Smoke:And then all of a sudden, the stack whole stack will clear. Yeah. And that's, like, when the whole thing shifts. Yeah. And I I I and I guess I don't know the degree to which actual trauma is, you know, prevalent across leadership.
Smoke:But because it was my, it's my frame, I think there's quite, probably quite a few that had experienced some form of trauma along the way as children. And it helped, it helped. So the thing, so the, the gap, the, the separation that is the trauma, we have to fill it with something. And so that's how we develop skills. That's, you know, as a child, the adults wouldn't listen to me.
Smoke:We had a massive abuse happening and all kinds of things, and they wouldn't listen. And I became a public speaker. I became I have a podcast. I have, like, all this stuff, like, in retrospect, makes perfect sense that the nine year old me would be doing this. And I wouldn't have developed those skills had it that not happened.
Smoke:So I don't know how much of his actual trauma trauma or and look and you said people define it differently. There it can be, you know, well, one person would perceive as minor separation. Another might perceive as trauma. Right? So like it's a wide continuum.
Smoke:But you're gonna run into that because at the core of these things that you're dealing with Oh. Are are those things. And I'm not a big I mean, I don't I'm not against certified people, and I'm not for them. I just think you you know what you're dealing with when you're dealing with it, and you're helping these people. And whether you recognize it as trauma or you just recognize it as you're clearing these distortions, that's fine.
Smoke:But I'm I'm sure you're running into it all the time.
Leanne:I am. I am. And, again, so what I see as trauma is something that's very deep that has been like I said, my only reference frame for that is PTSD. Yeah. And one friend who has some very deep trauma.
Leanne:It has a certain pattern to it. Mhmm. For those for those that are experiencing that, I would say there's there's a reason why we stick to CEOs and high high stakes rooms because it's a particular kind of pressure, and it's a pattern that, yes, may lead back to a trauma that I can still clear, but for people that it's a deep rooted physical trauma that has rooted over years, I would that would be I mean, how many of those are CEOs? I haven't run into one yet. But when I do see that pattern, I I would refer someone to a trauma therapist only because I can clear your distortions, but I am not and I know what you're saying about trauma therapists and things, but they there's a reason they're certified.
Leanne:And I I wouldn't wanna clear something and then them not have the support that they need after
Smoke:Yeah. I mean, there's a there's a a lot a large body of integration work that has to be done post clearing that is you know, there there are skills and techniques and methods that have been well developed that
Leanne:Yeah.
Smoke:People who do that for a living know how to do that. Yeah. My one of my friends, mutual friend of Allen's is, had gone to that trauma specialist, Gabor Mate, who I think is in Vancouver. And they were sat with him to talk about, you know, a couple of their kids and dealing with some things. And, you know, he listened to him.
Smoke:He said, well, you for to clear their trauma, you have to clear your trauma. And I want you to call this person. And and that was Ivan Reydos, who I worked with. But so that's a trauma specialist who says, okay, before I can even help you, you gotta go deal with this shaman and clear some energies, and then you can come back and talk to me.
Leanne:That's interesting. Yeah. I mean, I think we all have our own particular areas that we know we're really comfortable and really good at
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:And can follow-up, reframe, reanchor, and have the modality to be able to support that particular area that we're clearing. And mine just happens to be very sort of business room focused. Mhmm. And but it doesn't you know, their perspective might be some other area. It doesn't mean they're not the same areas.
Leanne:It's just our lens is different in how we
Smoke:Yeah. No. I I totally appreciate it because my lens is more your lens. I my understanding, you know, of consciousness now is such that I I know that every increase is exponential. Right?
Smoke:So it's logarithmic scale. So it power wise, it's, you know, the energy that emanates from someone who raises their consciousness up, is is magnitudes bigger than just one below. And so if you think about that, and then you say, well, if someone is already calibrating it in this Hawkins scale, but calibrating in the three or four hundreds, you know, a lot of YPO CEOs are in that 300, three seventy five, you know, range of Hawkins scale, which is quite positive, quite productive, quite important in society. Those people, if they shift their thinking a little bit, shift their gaze, shift their attention where their attention is, can jump up a lot.
Leanne:A lot.
Smoke:And, yeah, and so, for me, like, I'm like, well, I'm not I'm not here to go. I do help the homeless and do help a lot of people that are down and out, but it's like, I don't know how to take someone who's on the street and get them to up here. But I can, I know how to talk to my peers who are leaders, who are here, and with a little shift can be up here? And the magnitude of that change has implications around across the world. So I'm focused on the same, know, sector, not as a consultant, but just as who I can help.
Leanne:Yeah. And well, but see that that all falls into our bigger purpose, which is really it's always been helping CEOs. We speak CEO. So we understand the pressure in the rooms. We understand where trust is made and built.
Leanne:And so with a little bit of work, instead of them misfiring and and not knowing why that we're trying I mean, we're creating a new category. And for many CEOs, it's very it's difficult for them to understand. That's why we call it the invisible variable. So we chose to put it in business language because that's the best way to get through to CEOs or people in capital markets. But even clearing one major distortion makes a huge difference in if you think about the people that you are that walk into a room that you're attracted not attracted to and like, attracted to go and speak to because they come in and it's everybody likes them.
Leanne:They're like light almost. It's like a light just walked into a room. Those are people that don't have a lot of distortions. And Right. You must experience this when you walk into a room because you seem like you have no distortions.
Leanne:And you know about clearing your energy. And so even clearing one or two distortions will not only help you at work, but imagine what that's gonna do what that's gonna amplify in the room.
Smoke:Yeah. No. No. You you're exactly right. And if I had no distortions, I would be the Buddha or or No.
Leanne:But I'm Right.
Smoke:You know, there's there's a continuum. Right? And so it's like, you know, compared to a lot of people in our in our circle, I've cleared a lot of mine. But there's always there's always layers of, you know, that you can peel back and clear more. Right?
Smoke:So it's, like, every time you think you've been missing.
Leanne:Always. I mean and there's no pressure in this room right now. But I'm just saying that I so because I take in all of that somatic system and all of that those other things, like I get a total pattern impression. And you're just elevated above what most are as far as the energy that you bring forward. So when you if you were to distort, it would be so clear to me, I would probably have to pull you inside and say we have to have a quick conversation please because it would be so obvious.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:And it's it's a blessing and a challenge for me when I move through life like that because it's people who are my friends who even people who don't even know me sometimes, I have to hold back from saying, can we have a quick conversation? Because it's not that fast, but you have done a lot of the deep work. So I feel like your pattern would be very obvious for a if a distortion showed up.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:I I don't know. I might be wrong, but that's just
Smoke:No. No. I think you're right. I think What
Leanne:I'm feeling. Yeah.
Smoke:That that feels right to me. Yeah. I mean and the cool thing is, and I'll put it in more spiritual terms, What we're talking about is distorting from perfection. Perfection is divinity. And what you when you what you're basically saying is everyone at the at the core is has is divinity.
Smoke:We are all of the same stuff.
Leanne:We are.
Smoke:And but because of our karmic mission, the things we've done in prior lives, the things we've done in this life and childhood, and the distortions cloud that and but you can see through it, which is how you see the distortions, the the contrast. Right?
Leanne:Mhmm.
Smoke:And and that that's our sole mission. Our sole mission is to remember who we are and to clear distortions. And we're all gonna do it when we die. The real mission is can we do it while we're here?
Leanne:Oh, which is the goal. Right.
Smoke:Because if
Leanne:you Right? Wait till
Smoke:the end wait till the end, you might have to, round two. Go go try again.
Leanne:I mean, why wait till the end? Like, the whole idea is we wanna get as much energy flowing as we possibly can because don't we wanna make this life better? And and then the impact we can have on the world around us in how we are being experienced and what we choose as our purpose to make a difference in the world lands more impactfully. Like Yeah. I'm all about social impact and and what leaders are capable of leaving behind as a legacy, how they can recognize potential, how how they can help things in the world and humanity.
Leanne:And I know that's a really big thing. It's a big blue sky thing, but it's so possible at the level of CEOs that we work with, some bigger, some smaller, some very large. And and they can have real impact because they have audience, and they have the influence. Well,
Smoke:totally. And and that's why leaders awakening it it help it helps everyone and anyone who wakes up. But it leaders have a unique position because they have employees. They have companies. They have resources.
Smoke:And resource the resources are energy. Yeah. And to the degree that energy flows toward positive things that helps others, that's gonna have a big impact. So I I totally agree where where the pressure point is and where the real leverage is. It's, you know, if we take because we don't need.
Smoke:I've heard different people talk about it, but it's not like we need the entire world to wake up. Of the Exactly. The nonlinear nature of it, the the, logarithmic scale, I something like 8% of the population waking up would just transform the whole of humanity because it's so so much power there. Yeah. So that's that's an attainable goal.
Smoke:It's not it's not crazy, But we're we got a lot of long way to go, I think. But we're
Leanne:Yeah. We do.
Smoke:But it's
Leanne:I know. I know.
Smoke:It's still, like, it's it's not like you have to get 90%. Like, 8%. That's not that bad.
Leanne:Yeah. No. It's true. But when you think about trying and and maybe you have more opportunity, and maybe we do now too through referral. But when you're creating a new category in business and trying to merge the two like, so it's a spiritual lens.
Leanne:It's also we've tried to put a business lens on it to make it understandable because the reality is everybody runs autopilot, everybody in the world. And we found that COs won't do the room scan that we have free there, because they don't want anyone to know that they have any kind of distortion or something's happening in the room that they can't explain. Because to them, it's weakness. But no. Because if you're human, you run autopilot and this auto programming, which is your energy gets blocked.
Leanne:It's like the exact same language. Right? Yeah. But they feel like it's a failure. And and it's unfortunate because if they looked at it the other way that they could level up on what people experience in the room, that's what it's all about.
Leanne:So
Smoke:yeah. No. Beautiful. I love it. I'll I'll post in the show notes where to find you guys, but what's the best, like you guys have a website, Strata?
Smoke:Yep. Yep. And we'll we'll put that in the in there. And I know you guys put out podcasts and various other I I was on I was on your podcast with Alan.
Leanne:I was gonna say. Yeah. Yeah. But do you have anything new since then?
Smoke:Do I have anything new?
Leanne:Yeah. You have any new books or anything?
Smoke:Well, I I I have finished my manuscript, and I'm just in the editing process to get my book out. Yeah. And so, hopefully, that'll be sometime this fall. And and, yeah, just I mean, I'm I've got yeah. I'm a different person than a year ago when I did that podcast with him because we're changing all the time.
Smoke:And if you continue on the work, you're like, you don't remember what it was like to be who you were before.
Leanne:100%.
Smoke:Right? So I my frame is who I am today, and I know that I have a totally different understanding than I did, you know, a few months ago.
Leanne:Yeah. I'd love to have you back on our podcast with me because it'll be a very different conversation.
Smoke:Yeah.
Leanne:So we should book that.
Smoke:Alright. Let's do that. And this has been fun. I I think this is really good and that that's a little bit of the, you know, the intention of the Smoke Trail podcast is to bridge the spiritual and the business leadership side of things. So we talked more about energy and other things here, but it's really giving people language to understand what they're experiencing and how they can change that experience.
Smoke:Right? And so I think it's like, this is spot on. I'm love the conversation, and I wanna learn more about your whole thing.
Leanne:Yeah. It was it was funny because the longest part of so it took me hundreds and hundreds of hours to figure out how to translate well, to figure out exactly what was happening and then how to translate that into language and then to translate into very precise business language. Like, it was a long journey for me. But here's what I was thinking about yesterday. So for whatever reason, I just I I felt like you were I just got this sense of because I have met you twice on yeah.
Leanne:And I saw yellow and I saw green. And so I was thinking about, actually, so that's your signal, and I said, Oh, I guess that would be a smoke signal.
Smoke:Exactly.
Leanne:And I thought, Oh, that's such a bad pun. But it's not a pun. It's it's a smoke signal. So I don't know. I think that would be maybe if you ever did a mini podcast, that wouldn't be a good name.
Smoke:Yeah. Well, I mean, that's the book. It's the smoke a smoke trail to the fire within. Right? So, you know
Leanne:Which is awesome.
Smoke:Yeah. Which is, you know, I I'm just sharing
Leanne:that, actually.
Smoke:I'm Yeah. Loving Just sharing the things I've learned. You know, and it's kinda written for me before I went on this journey because there was no real guide, and I did I went deep on source material, and I was like, well, most of my friends aren't gonna read 400 books and do all the work I did, but I could give them directional pointers and the things that resonate with them. It would give them, you know, here's what here's what to look at. And and here's what it meant to me in a way that would make sense to me before.
Smoke:So that's that's the that's what I'm trying to do. We'll we'll see. We'll see how it, you know, how it lands. But
Leanne:Yeah. So I think that's amazing because I think once you show the difference to people that it can make, to CEOs specifically, and you have a resource there that will cut the time that it took for you to go through that because you now have all the resources and you can summarize, okay this is important, this I found this important, this maybe not so much, but you need to get here kind of thing. I think that's so valuable for CEOs that don't understand what the process might be. And I mean, I've I've had a few CEOs say to me that they took a year off on sabbatical to do a self discovery and find themselves. And I said, how'd that work for you?
Leanne:Yeah. Not so much. Yeah. So it's like they didn't know where to start. They maybe had one realization, but what did you do with that?
Leanne:Well, not a lot.
Smoke:Well, you know, I think the the challenge we had if we grew up in a little village hundreds of years ago would be and you had some kind of innate ability or understanding of spirit, then if they happen to live where there is a tradition in an ashram or some kind of monastery in the vicinity, they would feed you into that, and you'd have a system that could evolve to awakening. But if you if you were in a village without that, you would just figure it out on your own or, you know, not you wouldn't have any of the training and the skills. And, you know, these are all techni these are all technologies. Meditation is a technology that humans have developed over thousands of years. So it's a, it's a technology that is, to get us to a certain point that works if you do it properly.
Smoke:So today, the challenge is a little different. It's, we have access to everything. We have access to all the ancient wisdom. We have access to really, you know, deeply, you can go into each of the different traditions and you can learn their technologies. But there's also a tremendous amount of falsehood out there and a tremendous amount of noise.
Smoke:So the challenge is more discernment and figuring out which things are integris, which ones are not, which ones does resonate with me and that would something I wanna dig into.
Leanne:Yeah.
Smoke:And and, you know, for me, it's like I've I was like, I've picked and chosen among all of them, which things I think are helpful, I use pieces from every tradition. And that's just my own path. It's like, I've just figured that out. Like, I'll use this. I'll use this.
Smoke:I'll use this. And I keep finding new things, and the right thing comes when it when it needs to come. So that that's really the idea is, like, you know, in a noisy environment, how do we help focus the lens a little bit on, like, here's some things that we know work.
Leanne:Exactly. Yeah. And I think that is so valuable, again, because if you take someone who is neurodivergent and because there's so much information, if I were if I'd said, okay, I have to if it was back in 2020, And I said, okay. I have to figure out what's going on. I really didn't know where to start.
Leanne:Right? You just start searching around, and then I get, oh, there's a shiny ball. There's a bird, and I get distracted. If I if I'd actually had someone that had been through that process, a business person that said, you might wanna try this, this, this, this. I didn't see a book like that.
Leanne:I looked. I mean, I looked. We were all searching for things to do other than rebuilding our business, but during that time period. But if I had had if I'd found something that said, you know what? This is just what worked for me, but here's some information on everything.
Leanne:I think that's so valuable because you come with credibility because you've been in the business world at high levels, and and so you have a credibility that just comes with who you are. And the fact that you've been through it, I think it's awesome. Thank you. I wished I'd I'd wished I'd had it in 2020.
Smoke:Yeah. Me too. But, you know, it all happens at the time that that we're ready for it.
Leanne:Exactly. Exactly.
Smoke:Awesome. Well, Leanne, thank you so much. It was wonderful talking to you.
Leanne:It was great talking to you too.
Smoke:And I look forward to continued conversations.
Leanne:Me too. Me too. Now