Hello, and welcome to the Studio Demands It, an exercise in creative thinking where we will challenge ourselves to pitch, conceptualize, and craft a film or series based on the demands of one of you listeners acting as a hypothetical Hollywood overload. Overlord. Yes. As professional screenwriters ourselves and massive cinephiles
Jim:Cinephiles. We
T.C.:talk movies all the time. And we'd like to believe that we could meet any demand thrown at us. We will be your screenwriters for this episode. I am T. C.
T.C.:DeWitt, and joining me as always is Jim recast Brazilic. Oh. I wouldn't recast you. I wouldn't recast you. Also, I just wanna say Then
Jim:why is that my middle name?
T.C.:Your parents named you, not me. I just wanna toot my own horn. I did that without looking at the script. I just did that intro without looking. Recast Brazil.
T.C.:You had said something recently. We were joking about, was it Nick Cage's Iron Man? Like, we it's, like, recast the, you started recasting the the MCU by, like, switching out one actor, and it just had a ripple effect of it. This was, like, two or three days ago.
Jim:Yeah. I don't remember the the context for it. Oh, I'm Iron Man. I'm Iron Man. That's how dad did it.
Jim:That's how America that's how we do it. That's how America does it.
T.C.:But it got me thinking just as a as a quick little thought experiment. If you take any, like, big movie and replace one actor with another actor
Jim:actor Mhmm.
T.C.:How much that changes everything. I have I have the ultimate example.
Jim:Oh, the
T.C.:ultimate know what the dang.
Jim:You you said it.
T.C.:I said you were.
Jim:I said
T.C.:the bar too high. But I I this this changes everything. Everything. Okay?
Jim:Bryan Cranston is Yeah. Dom Toretto.
T.C.:I live my god. I live my car out of town. I should've done that.
Jim:It's funny because that franchise began way before breaking bad as well. So you'd just be the the dad from Malcolm in the Middle.
T.C.:Like,
Jim:That's right. I run a gang that steals DVD
T.C.:players. Okay. Check this out. Because you had said that, and it and it got in my head that it's not reshaping the entirety of the universe by replacing everyone like we did with our, Marvel Universe 88.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Right? Where Tim Burton directed Iron Man. Right?
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:It's just replace one like, you know, a bad example would be, like, remove Alan Rickman from Die Hard and put in, Christopher Walken. Like, it it's not it doesn't change the movie and make it necessarily bad or or it's just like that does change everything because so much of what makes Die Hard work
Jim:is Alan Rickman. Alan Rickman. In his portrayal?
T.C.:John McClain. His on screen debut. Yep. That's crazy. But imagine Christopher Walken out there, like, you know, doing his thing, it still kinda works.
T.C.:It just tweaks it in such a way. Can you think, as I'm rambling here, anything where you could just replace one actor with another actor, and I'll give you my ultimate example in a moment, that changes a film in a interesting way.
Jim:Tom Cruise in Gone in Sixty Seconds.
T.C.:Take out Nick Cage and put Tom Cruise?
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:That that I'd watch that. I'd watch that. You know, honestly, this is like the
Jim:That might not be fair. It might be because Tom Cruise is a a big Hollywood Movie Star, and you're watching him in a lot of thing. Yeah. You'd watch him in a lot of things.
T.C.:I think he would he he would do well in that movie. Sure. Like, imagining him playing that character and and stealing the cars, organizing the team. That's right in his wheelhouse. No no pun intended.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Yeah. No. I I like that pun.
T.C.:Well, here's the one that I thought of. Okay. Harry Potter, you're leaving everybody as is. Maggie Smith, all that. Okay.
T.C.:Daniel Radcliffe. The everything stays the same. Now Richard Harris playing Dumbledore was aesthetically correct, and he had the right spirit of an elderly Dumbledore. But where Dumbledore needs to go, where that level of power that exudes from Dumbledore when he proves just why he is the one the one person that Voldemort ever feared, I don't know if Richard Harris could have pulled that off.
Jim:Oh, here's I disagree. Okay. I think even in the little bit we saw him there Mhmm. He pulled off the okay. If you're just looking just at a glance Yeah.
Jim:Oh, I'm this frail old man who doesn't really notice the details of what's happening. Sickly. But it suggests at the end when he comes in to see Harry and and so that no. He's very aware of what's happening. It is an affectation.
T.C.:Mhmm. Yeah.
Jim:And it is it it is a a a smokescreen for exactly how powerful he is.
T.C.:Yeah. That's correct. That's what it should be.
Jim:And and and then, like and now imagining him, it like like, I I think as as the movies went on, we would have like, he would have become it he would have been less frail, ephemeral old man in the background and as Dumbledore is in the books and and, I think we would have seen the wizard working behind the scenes. We would have started to see more and more of that. Mhmm.
T.C.:You think Richard Harris could have pulled that off?
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:Yeah. I I I wanna agree with you. I'd but, unfortunately, with Richard Harris' passing, we got Michael Gambone. I disdain how Michael Gambone played
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Dumbledore from Goblet of Fire on. I think, Caron. Alfonso Caron managed to direct him appropriately for three, and then we lost that. And he plays him like a maniac, and he's so
Jim:Interesting. Just now, I I think I I have a way of describing what Gambone did that lessened Dumbledore. Mhmm. He played him like another member of the faculty.
T.C.:But he played him like
Jim:He wasn't Yeah. He wasn't a player playing chess with Voldemort.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:He was just another piece on he might have been the king Mhmm. But he wasn't playing chess. He was a part on the board. Yeah. Does that does that make sense?
T.C.:Yeah. I'm serious. Yeah.
Jim:So, in in one way, he humanized him more, which I guess can be applauded, but he didn't feel like a whole other level of wizard.
T.C.:He should be it also Does does that
Jim:make sense?
T.C.:No. I'm following. I'm following. And it's also like there was no facade of the feeble old man. Gambon was like, did you put your name in the Goblet of Fire?
T.C.:Like, that's the one everyone points at to go gasp. But even in order of the Phoenix after he saves Trelawny, he storms away. He's like, should you all be in class? Like, he's such a dick. Like, he is not playing Dumbledore correctly.
T.C.:And Gambone has said, I didn't read the books. Anything I needed to know was in the script. That's all I needed. Like, screw you, man.
Jim:Okay. Okay. What what, who played, Frodo?
T.C.:Elijah Wood?
Jim:No. No. Sorry. Not Frodo. Bilbo.
Jim:Sorry.
T.C.:Sorry. Martin Martin Freeman.
Jim:Yeah. Okay. Martin Freeman. So because he because he said the
T.C.:same thing. See, that's so obnoxious. Like, so obnoxious. Like, it shows some damn respect. So here's my thing.
T.C.:If Richard Harris can't do it completely, so I'm gonna recast it from the beginning K. And change history. Now granted, I'm picking someone who also passed away, but that's beside the point. Imagine if you will, Robin Williams playing Dumbledore. From the beginning, Robin Williams can balance
Jim:the whimsy of the time. Robin Williams was a powerful enough actor he could do that.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:The thing is I feel like his whimsy would be too whimsical.
T.C.:Not the think of the restraint he has in even something like Hook, which is a very fantastical film, but he grounded it in a very serious place until he discovers he is Peter, but then he regrounds it into an adult Peter Pan. Robin Williams was a very strong dramatic he went to Juilliard for Christ's sake.
Jim:Sure. But you don't see him stealing the scenes No. From the children? No.
T.C.:I think I I think I I wanna believe in this being the ultimate choice as I say that Robin Williams crafting Dumbledore from the beginning, being the playful old man who truly has power, who who has the heart and sensitivity as well as the sadness necessary, the complexity of Dumbledore as a character, I think you're right. Richard Harris could have pulled that off because that was a man trained over decades of of real acting, pre pre method acting
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:That he could have balanced all of that nuance. I think Robin Williams was someone who proved in his dramatic roles.
Jim:Like like, imagine Richard Harris imagine the scene in in what was that? Six where he and Harry go to empty the the fountain.
T.C.:Mhmm. Yes.
Jim:Yes. Where where Harry find
T.C.:kill me.
Jim:Yeah. Not not only that, but, not even that part. The part where, he can't hide he's unable to hide his withered hand.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Harry sees for the first like, oh, like, I see Richard Harris pulling that off magically Oh, yeah. Yeah. I to you to to intend
T.C.:the pun. I completely agree. I I think Rhett Williams as Dumbledore changes everything that I dislike that Michael Gambone dud did. Dud. And he was a dud.
T.C.:And, and yeah, I don't know. That's my that's my, like
Jim:Okay. No. Yeah. Sure. Yeah.
T.C.:But I think I I
Jim:can see what you're saying. Yeah.
T.C.:But I think Tom Cruise for Gone Six Seconds as well, to go back to your example. That's that's exactly what I'm saying. Like Yeah. If you if you switch it out, it doesn't change the movie to be something completely different, but it changes just the right element to create a whole new concept. It's it's Tom Selleck's Indiana Jones.
T.C.:Right?
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Like, it would still be good, but, you know, that's a that's a key element to swap out.
Jim:No. No. Now I'm trying to think of more.
T.C.:Well, we can come back to it because
Jim:We cannot.
T.C.:I'm happy to use this to segue into a conversation for today, the actual episode proper
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Which has a lot to do with if you remove one character and put another, how does that change a universe? Oh. Right? So today's demand comes from where is it? I lost it.
T.C.:Oh my gosh. I can't do that one off the top of my head. This comes from Gil at Carbonite Studios. Hi, guys. Hi.
T.C.:Hi, Gil. Hi.
Jim:Hi, Gil.
T.C.:Yeah. Thanks for taking my demand. You're welcome.
Jim:You're welcome.
T.C.:Variance, the multiverse. The MCU is opened up infinite has okay. The MCU is opened up infinite possibilities. Best realized in No Way Home, Multiverse of Madness, and what I'm sure the upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine is going to do. Gil, you are correct.
T.C.:You're correct. And also in the fabulous what if animated series. And since
Jim:As well as Loki, if I understand where he's going.
T.C.:I think so too. Yeah. And since we are in the multiverse saga, it's time for you guys to add to the filmography. Technically, we already have because we did, but he doesn't know this. This is this is past Gil talking.
T.C.:Oh, gotcha. Gotcha. It's time to add to the filmography. Based on what if season one and two, it would appear appear they've managed to create an ongoing story for captain Peggy Carter. Yep.
T.C.:We can assume season three will do more for her. Depending on when you take this demand, you'll probably know better than me. Well, we do, and they did.
Jim:It's great.
T.C.:Yeah. We'll we'll talk about if in a second. I say more captain Carter, the better. In fact, that is exactly what my studio demands. We've only seen super soldier Peggy Carter in doctor Strange.
T.C.:And while that scene is epic, it doesn't exactly go
Jim:in her
T.C.:favor. So using multiversal shenanigans, my studio demands a Captain Carter live action movie set anywhere and any when. My demands, Hayley Atwell must be Peggy. You must have some sort of Chris Evan cameo. Attempt to tie it into the current events of the MCU.
T.C.:Again, you will know better than me, if possible. Thanks again, guys. Thank you, Gil, from Carbonite Studios, and you are correct on a lot of your assumptions. Wolverine and Deadpool and Wolverine did do some wonderful multiversal shenanigans. Jamie Wright to evoke Loki.
T.C.:What if I'll take let's talk about what if for a second. People, watch what if. It's so good.
Jim:It it truly is It's the the Peggy Carter trilogy.
T.C.:It's the Peggy Carter trilogy, but even more than that, just the idea of revisiting these characters through some tweak and change in in the multiverse. It's so fun. Mhmm. And, you know, I know some people are like, cartoon. Like, you're you're dumb.
T.C.:Cartoons are amazing. Cowboy Bebop. Now, after all the last airbender, what if is one of my favorite things post Endgame. In the entirety of the MCU
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:It's in the top three for sure. I just love it so much.
Jim:That's really yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:It it's so, so much fun. And and and, Gil here is correct. It it is in the long run, a Peggy Carter trilogy.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Captain Carter, Peggy Carter trilogy, super soldier. And, where lies a little bit of concern that we're gonna have to come up with something, but with multiversal shenanigans, we can.
Jim:Yes. Jim,
T.C.:I hand the mic to you. Go.
Jim:I agree.
T.C.:Okay. Good. Yeah. I I don't know exactly how to explain it, but Captain Carter is one of my favorite MCU characters. I don't know what it was that just clicked into place, but there's something with what if, seeing her appear in Doctor Strange.
T.C.:I was like, I freaking love this character.
Jim:Well, okay. Let's when did that start, though? Did that start with the first avenger?
T.C.:I mean, I've I've always enjoyed Peggy, and I I like her as this ongoing character. I thought it was sweet that they retroactively, as Marvel does, strengthen the love that Steve Rogers has for Peggy over the course of all the movies that in the end, the last thing we get is him dancing with her.
Jim:Sure. But is go ahead. When when did you when did you attach to this character?
T.C.:What if?
Jim:Oh, you didn't care about the character before then?
T.C.:Now you see, he made it sound so black and white. It's not that I disliked Peggy. I really liked her in the first avenger, in the first Captain America movie.
Jim:So so you were like, okay. She's a fine character, but it was it was this show that made you go, oh, wow. Captain captain Carter, Peggy Carter, this is a phenomenal character.
T.C.:She's great. Yeah.
Jim:Really? Yeah. Okay.
T.C.:Would you hate her?
Jim:No. Yeah. No. I'm not hearing you say I just I thought because I was there when we watched the, what if, and I thought you were, onboard for Peggy Carter before before that.
T.C.:I
Jim:like like and and so when that first episode where what if Peggy fell into the the the the the machine instead, I thought I thought that it it was already a oh, I'm already a fan of this and getting to see it happen is amazing.
T.C.:Yeah. I don't I don't know what it was that just you know, that might have been a little bit of reactionary of someone hating her. Yeah. We me going, you know what? I love her.
Jim:We we, we had someone, in our vicinity Mhmm. Who hates Hayley Atwell
T.C.:Yeah. And their and their
Jim:hated Peggy Carter and everything involving her. And that person was also a very big fan of Chris Evans' Captain America. So them she wanted to see him with anyone else. Mhmm. She anti shipped, Steve and Peggy.
Jim:Yeah. So
T.C.:And you know what? That's perfectly fine if people thought, oh, I would have preferred Captain America to end up with Black Widow. I I'm on board with that shipping as well.
Jim:But Yeah. That no. That's some that's some Superman, Wonder Woman garbage. Like, just no. Like like, I I would rather agent thirteen.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. But then that then Sharon went weird Yeah. In, Falcon Winter Soldier.
T.C.:Yeah. But but to to say that if someone doesn't like Peggy and Steve together, that's fine to to then but then to cross the line and be like, I hate it, and then burn it down. It ruined the MCU. I'm like, okay. That is too far, and you're only making me like her more now because you're upset.
T.C.:But knowing that captain Carter as a character is less than 20 years old in the comics even is crazy. What? Her first appearance is in exiles in 2018. Twenty '18, Jim. Like, that's crazy.
Jim:Yeah. That means she existed in the movies before she did
T.C.:In the comics. In the comics. Like, she has since had a five issue miniseries of Captain Carter, which they used the the, basically, the first what if where she was she just had Steve's origin story. That comic is kinda interesting, champ, because
Jim:You know what? I'm sorry to interrupt you.
T.C.:That's okay. We'll come back.
Jim:Actually do think at least, I won't speak for you. My appreciation and admiration and the like for this character does go back to verse Avenger Mhmm. Because I remember walking away from that movie with the same thoughts about her, like, she was so strong I would watch a movie with just her. The same way you brought her up earlier, a Paloma from, from James Bond.
T.C.:From No Time to Die.
Jim:From yeah. No Time to Die. Just, and and that character was even faster. She's on the screen for so much shorter. I'd watch a whole movie about her.
Jim:Carter, watching Carter work in in First Avenger is like Mhmm. This character is awesome, and it it helped build the tragedy of Steve getting lost in suspended animation. Yeah. And and not being able to go to that dance with her and thus made it that much sweeter that she got a TV show Yeah. And was very excited about that TV show, and it was very also very good.
T.C.:Her her enthusiasm for the character goes a long way too. Mhmm. It's it it's for some reason or another, when when an actor, you can see just how much they love doing what they're doing. Like Chris Hemsworth saying, like, I'll play Thor till they tell me to stop. Yeah.
T.C.:I'm sure they pay him well, but that enthusiasm goes a long way. And Hayley Atwell has been on board for everything and anything they wanna do with Peggy from from day one. Mhmm. She voices the character. Actually, I love everyone who came back to voice their characters.
Jim:Yeah. I think
T.C.:that's a lot of fun. Her comic. Okay. So that five issue miniseries is is good, but not at the same time because the big villain in it, if I may spoil a five issue miniseries of Captain Carter, she is, goes back to work for Strike, which is the British division spin off of Shield. The prime minister is trying to utilize Captain Carter's return for basically propaganda to be like, we're gonna put the great back in Great Britain
Jim:Oh, cool.
T.C.:Which is his whole spiel.
Jim:Yep.
T.C.:And then in the end, he's he's revealed. Here we go. Spoiler. He's the villain, and he's a vampire trying to rule the world. And I thought, what a waste of captain Carter as a character to pit her against vampires and not I
Jim:see what you're saying. Yeah. A thing to remember, maybe this is what they're going for. Based off of the language that you had that character using Mhmm. That was supposed to be an allusion to certain things happening outside comic book world, and in in in literature and fiction, things can sometimes represent what they, can sometimes literally be what they represent.
T.C.:So, like, in blade heart of darkness, for example, a group of, you know, affluent bloodsuckers who've
Jim:Yes. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. I think it could stand for
Jim:that could be a stand up or something. I think the idea was they were trying to very quickly, because you said there's only five issues. Mhmm. They were trying to do a similar arc that Steve Rogers had in the nineties. The whole I'm not gonna work for a corrupt institution even if it is America.
Jim:I don't represent I don't represent the America that is. I represent the ideal that is America. And he walked away from it. I think, again, this is based off just what you said. Captain Carter was fighting, the representation of a corrupt admin a corrupt institution
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:Literally embodied in the comic book by a vampire. They were they were sucking the soul out of Britain.
T.C.:Yeah. That's that's a perfect yes. You correctly have analyzed with the little information I've given you. Good job.
Jim:But sometimes sometimes that literal manifestation on the page can be kinda hokey. Yes. So so
T.C.:Like, her whole thing was she's thought out and gets right back to work, and Hydra comes out of the comes back. Mhmm. She's like, god. Me and Hydra, the two things that survived for eighty years. And she thinks she's fighting Hydra only to discover that Hydra is not Hydra.
T.C.:It's they're falsely looked like Hydra to get her out there punching things
Jim:to
T.C.:go look how great Britain is.
Jim:False flag.
T.C.:False flag. Gotcha. So Captain Carter as a film, if we're gonna get one shot to insert her into the multiverse saga here, what who she's fighting and when and where she's doing it, that's gonna be a key factor here, and I don't think it should be vampires. Been there, done that, Jim. If you wanna hear us do handle vampires.
Jim:Well, actually, it would have been nice to know. We could have incorporated that into heart of
T.C.:dark Good. Yeah. We coulda had some suddenly captain Carter shows up in our blade movie. But yes. So, we don't have to jump straight to who the villain is per se, but we do have an opportunity here to to put her anywhere.
T.C.:She can't be we'll call it six one six movie six one six or what do you call it? Six one six a c? What'd you you dubbed it.
Jim:Did I?
T.C.:You gave it like a kind like a sub it's not the movie universe proper. It's not the primary
Jim:Was it six one six c?
T.C.:I think so. For cinematic.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Yes. So it's not that Peggy Carter because she passed away in in in, winter soldier, Captain America winter soldier. And we see her again at the end of Endgame. Well, is that the same one?
T.C.:I don't know. We can discuss multiverse nonsense later.
Jim:See her at the oh, right. Because the, when when he went back. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. But we've also so, yeah, she had her Peggy Carter show, her agent Carter show, which is quite good. Highly recommend. Canonized by Endgame. Thank you.
T.C.:Was it? Yeah. Because Jarvis is in there. Jarvis is in Endgame.
Jim:My guess is it's still a variant. It's, the the same way agents of shield is is not the the main proper universe. It's
T.C.:Yeah. Some
Jim:my my guess is the Six one seven. Just because Jarvis is also her butler in the MCU doesn't mean that all of the things that happened in that show happened in Damn it. In the MCU.
T.C.:I need I need some sort of encyclopedia of Marvel. Anyway
Jim:Wait five months. They'll they'll be selling one on Amazon or Barnes and Noble or something.
T.C.:We also got a variance of Peggy in Multiverse of Madness who gets skewered, unfortunately. But we we did get Cyr kicked some ass for a while. Mhmm. And then we have our what if Peggy Carter, which has a completed arc.
Jim:It does.
T.C.:Now that's not to say if we wanna do a Captain Carter movie, we couldn't use the what if one and make that all canonized.
Jim:I would rather not.
T.C.:Okay. That's fine.
Jim:I'd so I feel like the Disney shows are canon
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Even if they're animated. Yeah. Agreed. But at the same time, either way, that's all multiversal. That's not MCU Peggy.
Jim:I actually don't want to do anything that is we can do a movie that will touch into it, but, like, this isn't the Peggy Carter that Steve Rogers fought alongside, in the first avenger.
T.C.:Great. Yep. Yep. This is this is we're we're choosing an all our own branch of the end of the multiverse somewhere out there, and we are we're going from there. So, yes, agreed.
T.C.:We are not choosing a Peggy Carter that we've seen before. Yes. Got it. Okay. It's just Haley Atwell planner.
T.C.:Mhmm. Great. So that begs the question, where do you want where do you think the the proper way to do this is? Do we do we do some sort of prologue that blows through the origin to replicate what the what if series did? Do we just jump into a point in time where she exists and audience just trust us, you know, how she became this way?
T.C.:Which is essentially what the comic does.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:The comic does an opening scene where they thaw her her out and send her back to Britain in, like, three pages, and then they jump ahead two months, and then they proceed from there. And it's it's relatively similar to Steve being thawed out at the end of the Avengers sorry, at the end of the first Avenger that leads into the movie the Avengers Mhmm. Where he's, you know, oh, I've been frozen for they found me in the ice, and now I'm here eighty years later.
Jim:Well, it worked in multiverse of madness because she wasn't the main character. She was she was just a a cameo. She was a cameo like the other characters that were a part of that Illuminati. Mhmm.
T.C.:And people just accepted, oh, that's Peggy Carter, but she's a super soldier. We don't need an explanation.
Jim:Right. She's the captain America or whatever. She's the the the, yeah, she's the captain America of this universe.
T.C.:Right. Right.
Jim:I think we need to do a little more than that. Not I I I think the origin is important to show in at least montage.
T.C.:I agree. I think
Jim:we don't have to go through the whole rigmarole, but, we gotta do more than Spider Man got.
T.C.:Yeah. Having having us in, it we could go as simply as what the Incredible Hulk did, which literally shows that the opening credits montage.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Or doing a prologue where we just see her. We create the live action version of her going into the the chamber and getting the serum and coming out looking awesome and getting her in the suit, punching Nazis, getting through the World War two, freezing her, and then movie starts with her. It's current day or wherever we wanna set this. She has been unthought at some point, and now the plot can begin.
Jim:Could we change what the serum is? Like, in instead of it being a whole chamber
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:That changes, them. What if, in that origin well, because they they had to put the serum into the giant chamber. Right?
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:What do you think about the idea of changing it to, in this universe, this might be going to I'm I'm gonna finish, we can revise it. In this universe, they don't discover, in in their interviews and stuff, they never find, a Steve Rogers. Mhmm. They never find a candidate that is truly, going to be appropriate. They do land on someone, and that day comes, but the assassin, either is successful enough that it destroys the machine and, I I'm imagining, like, this this whole scene that that either starts that that begins looking like that or it's not even a full machine.
Jim:It is really just a a shot, a serum that is injected into a soldier Mhmm. But they get killed, and the what was the the scientist's name? I don't know. Say Susskind, but that's not right.
T.C.:Susskind. It is? Isn't it?
Jim:Yeah. That was right?
T.C.:I think so. That that feels wrong. I mean, keep keep talking. Keep talking.
Jim:Keep talking. Anyway Tucci. Yeah. Stan Tucci. Stingo, Stanley Tucci and Hayley Atwell, escape from the thing as
T.C.:Erskine. It's Erskine. That's Suskind. Close.
Jim:We we get this this they they they escape from from this this ambush assassination sabotage Mhmm. Thing. And, they're coming like like, they're hiding. They're hiding in a nearby, hangar or something like that. Mhmm.
Jim:And the the the Hydra agents are coming to get them to finish the job, and they don't have anywhere to put the serum and stuff like that. And, it would probably be best if if Erskine suggests it rather than she's her suggesting it. He's like, they cannot get a hold of this. Like, we're gonna do what we can. Yeah.
Jim:And, like, as she's turned away, he gives her the shot or something like that. Or or even, like, no. I'm gonna get it if if we want.
T.C.:Put put it in me.
Jim:Put it in me. Want her to have the consent.
T.C.:Yeah. Uh-uh. Get her agency where she's, like, put it inject me. Inject me.
Jim:I still want Erskine to make the suggestion. Like, I'm I wanna put it in you. And she's like, I don't know. Are you sure is that, like, it's it's our only option. Just she she, consents.
Jim:So, okay, and does it. And so then we get this scene where, like, they come in and she's, like, not may maybe unconscious, but, like like, it's it's she's in the grip of of it changing her. Yeah. So that way, then they they they come around the corner like, We got you. And then, like, we we we get the there you go.
Jim:Yeah. We we get the we get the whole scene of her, her heroic moment of of of rising as as captain Carter Mhmm. And saving the day from from these, an enemy agents. Yeah. That in in that's what I'm thinking.
Jim:Yeah. Okay. Now what this does is it takes away that relationship between her and Steve Rogers. Mhmm. Right, even what if still had him in there as, in the the the robot suit.
T.C.:Yeah. He's the The
Jim:proto Iron Man.
T.C.:The Hydra Buster.
Jim:Yeah. Hydra Buster. Yeah. I'm suggesting getting rid of that. She doesn't have a lot of interest, and that might not be as much fun.
Jim:I feel like there's something there where we can make him, her tie to the multiverse. Mhmm. Even if it's a reversal, like, it's it's something she's never going to be able to to do. Yeah. Or, like so maybe somewhere else in the movie, I realized we normally do this linear linearly.
Jim:But, like, somewhere she comes across Steve Rogers, there's a cross where he's going to put everything back or something like that. Somehow, the universe is cross.
T.C.:The the America that's traveling at the end of endgame?
Jim:Yes. Okay. That that's only so we can have the scene where almost star crossed lovers kind of thing Yeah. Where he's like, Peggy? And she's like, Steve?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And, right, we we think it's almost gonna happen. And she she realizes through their their conversing, like, no. You're so much my Steve, but
T.C.:You're not
Jim:my someone else. You're you're another Peggy's.
T.C.:And I'm yeah.
Jim:You you belong you belong to another Peggy.
T.C.:And I'm not your Peggy.
Jim:That yeah. Or there you go. That that's and and and so that's why they they, they don't. Mhmm.
T.C.:Yeah. Having that give that would check off our Chris Evans cameo. I like the idea of them somehow crossing paths. But in order for that to happen, two things. Either Steve the the Steve we know is crossing paths with her at some point on the timeline as he's working his way back, or she is working her way through a timeline, like, through the timeline.
Jim:Maybe.
T.C.:I
Jim:My my my idea for what the plot of it should be about Mhmm. Is actually separate from the the subplot of of
T.C.:Them meeting up.
Jim:The Steve and Peggy ship. Okay.
T.C.:Well, hold hold that. If the if Steve being her anchor, her the the long lost love that she can never have, if we wanna have that, that's fine. I'm I'm okay with that. If we do we lose anything by removing that? If she liked Steve, but they weren't destined to be together, I have a suggestion for a couple other ideas for love interests.
Jim:Sure. Well, because because I I think we lose we lose a love interest story arc entirely.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:I'm You're saying lose it.
T.C.:You're saying lose it?
Jim:If if we lose it Yeah. If we don't have it.
T.C.:It. Yeah. If it's not Steve, would you accept another love interest?
Jim:I will hear what you got, but I kinda feel like I'm not gonna be interested.
T.C.:Want one? Okay. I'll come back to my pitch for that then, because something struck me as you were talking, and I'm like, oh, that'd be it. We'll come back to that. Also, I just wanna say Erskine should be injured, and so she could be injecting it in herself.
T.C.:He's like, I'm not making it out of here. It has to be you. It's you or me, and I'm gonna and I'm dying.
Jim:Okay. Sure.
T.C.:Yeah. Just to give that
Jim:a call. Can't live.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:He can't make we we need to make sure no more serums can be made.
T.C.:Now I I'm I'm, having her fight her movie all of World War two. There's there's some fun to be had there. Placing her somewhere else in history. There's also plenty of fun to be had that, whether it's contemporary or somewhere between World War two and now Mhmm. Or having her jump through time.
T.C.:There's a there's a lot of options for us to choose from. I'm I don't know which one is more compelling because it's it's her movie to have. It's her movie to to it's her movie. So, like, as long as we do her right, everything else falls into place. We probably should commit on putting her in one specific time and not having her jump across time and space.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:Not very multiversal of you. Yeah.
T.C.:But, you you had something. What is your
Jim:well, because of because of, in the MCU when this movie would be falling, well, I guess if if we were to do that, it touches on things that that, Deadpool and Wolverine kinda basically, it brings up Loki again. Mhmm. It doesn't I I mean, the show. Essentially, the TVA. It touches into Kang, is is where I'm going with it.
Jim:Yeah. As of this recording, we don't know what Disney's plan ultimately for Kang
T.C.:is going to be. How are they gonna get rid of him?
Jim:I still like Kang, as as the villain, as the multiversal, through arc, no matter what, the people I talk to on the Internet say.
T.C.:Listen. They had a perfect opportunity to fix Kang. Okay? They could have just made the variant of Kang, oh my god. What was her name?
T.C.:The, the agents that
Jim:Oh, the the, yeah. His his his his girlfriend.
T.C.:Ravonna. Yeah. It could they could've just been, like, the reveal could've been you are one of my variants, and she could've gone, cool. Bang. I'm Kang now, bitches.
T.C.:And then we could've kept all of it, but whatever.
Jim:Yeah. That would have been that that was that was that was a good, fix
T.C.:Yeah. That you
Jim:that you would come up with.
T.C.:I I'm I'd googoo Raw is the actress's name, and, like, I would I just think that would've been amazing if they're, like and I thought that's where it was going in season two. Like, are they teeing teeing this up? You know? They can do the handoff?
Jim:You know the other reason it would have been so good? Why it would have been so good? Because it not it didn't quite mirror
T.C.:But parallels.
Jim:It it, to what low what was happening with Loki. Yeah. There's Loki and his variant were were in this weird love scene
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:That that ended up being them working together. Yeah. Whereas Naoyuk Kang and his female variant, oh, we're working together. Nope. No.
T.C.:We're not. Yeah. Anyway, I sort of derail it here. You talking about Kang and and,
Jim:my thought is a villain. Maybe it's Kang. Maybe it's it's someone else, comes to and messes up our Captain Carter's world Mhmm. To the point that the TV is like, oh, this has to be pruned. Mhmm.
Jim:Or maybe whatever the the actions of who of this this, invader is is destroying this timeline. And, so she has to do something about that Okay. To to try to save her timeline.
T.C.:It very Deadpool Wolverine, which you did lead with. It's that leads much more into sci fi fighting multiversal alien technological forces.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Which I'm not against watching Peggy Carter flipping through the air, punching things in the face, punching robots and Mhmm. Avoiding
Jim:Well, Well and and maybe it also touches a little too close to what if. Right? Because that is what happens in in what if.
T.C.:Yeah. Here's here's a thought. Okay. The, the failure of the superhero serum going into Steve Rogers, like, actually, him dying in the process of the attack. Like, the assassination works.
T.C.:Steve Rogers is killed. He was the subject. Erskine is like, Peggy, this has to go into you. I'm dying. This has to go into you.
T.C.:I'm dying. And then she That's
Jim:a really good Stanley Tucci.
T.C.:This Tucci Palooza over here. Okay. She accepting it, having her hero moment, and setting this in World War two, it puts her against the red skull again.
Jim:Sure. And I, so I had an idea for that. So this whole thing that we're describing, how she gets the serum stuff Mhmm. It's a we're we're doing that
T.C.:as a montage. Yeah. That's a very or
Jim:very quick
T.C.:Maybe five minutes ago.
Jim:Quick Mae's on scene.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. We can even, montage through her fighting the red skull. And when she goes down with the plane at the end, instead of it crashing and her being lost in an iceberg Mhmm. For decades, she is recovered by SAS. Mhmm.
Jim:And she's in in a coma or just just under. She's not necessarily suspended animation for that long. But over the years, blood samples are taken from her.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And super soldier serums are created based on her blood. And so when she wakes up in a contemporary time, there are other people that she has to contend with that that are causing problems around her planet. One of the people that she gets to team up with is a part of the, basically, like, a sidekick supporting character in the movie for her is captain Britton.
T.C.:Played by Henry Cavill?
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:I can do one better for you.
Jim:I mean, he's not blonde enough, but he's
T.C.:He could be blonde. Lizzie Braddock. The first captain Britton is Psylocke.
Jim:Well, okay. You're talking about, different
T.C.:That's that is six one six. Her dad is captain Britton from the classic comics, then the the inheritor of captain Britton was was, Lizzie Braddock, who then became Psylocke after she was captain Britton.
Jim:Then when did her brother become captain Britton?
T.C.:Oh, yeah. Right. Ben. That I think Ben Braddock was after her.
Jim:Then then that was also, retroactive.
T.C.:Anyway, I
Jim:you because I I know I know they're siblings.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I, continue. Sorry.
T.C.:Yeah. I I jumped on the excitement of knowing that Psylocke was captain Britton. So Yeah.
Jim:No. But but that that's where I was going. It was, cap captain Britton. I was thinking, it's it's Ben. Mhmm.
Jim:It's Ben Braddock. I thought it was Brad. I don't know. Brad Braddock.
T.C.:Well, there's there's, let me test my knowledge here. It's Brian Braddock is the original captain Britton from seventies.
Jim:Oh, okay.
T.C.:But I think that's Betsy's dad. Mhmm. She's she's Psylocke. She's the second captain in Britain.
Jim:I I never knew that Psylocke was captain of Britain. I knew that Psylocke was Psylocke, and then she was put like like, the weird brain switch that happened with the hand assassin which for years they had said was, like, a cosmetic surgery.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:But then it turned out it was like a brain switch.
T.C.:Yeah. Like, it is.
Jim:Turned out it actually wasn't either of those, and Betsy Braddock was a whole other person and that the hand assassin was made to believe that she was Betsy Braddock. Mhmm. Mhmm. And so I believe the current incarnation of Psylocke, the the Asian woman that is a part of X Men. X Men only ever believed she was Betsy Braddock.
Jim:She was not ever Betsy Braddock because the actual Betsy Braddock had way stronger psychic power. She never had psychic dagger. She had a full on psychic sword.
T.C.:The x men is such a drama. Here okay. I just just to cut to the chase instead of trying to tap into my my weak memory here. Captain Britton, was introduced. Brian's, twin sister, Betsy Braddock, who was relieved to have was revealed to have psychic powers, following issue debut.
T.C.:Jamie Braddock, the playboy race car driving older brother. However, Chris Claremont left the title after tenth issue replacing, the right ghost ride. Okay. Okay. So twin brother, Betsy and Brian.
T.C.:Twin twin siblings, Betsy and Brian. Betsy, captain Britton, would eventually become Psylocke. And then the current captain Britain is not even related to the Braddock's at all. What? Yeah.
T.C.:It's What? Yeah. It's a completely new captain Britain.
Jim:How dare comics change since I last read them?
T.C.:Yeah. But that was 02/2004. Okay.
Jim:Yeah. And and all of my knowledge comes from the nineties.
T.C.:All that said, having captain Britton in this is fun. And whether it's if it's the male counterpart, then it's someone for, Peggy to either foil with or work with or have some sort of contentious relationship. Like, there's there's fun to be had there because she's ultimately a British agent, but was a represent I I like that you'd suggested that Britain would not accept a female Captain America, which is why America adopted her. That shield would have adopted her.
Jim:Was it I made that suggestion.
T.C.:That suggestion because the patriarch patriarchy is so much stronger in Britain. But
Jim:I think it all it what by having this character, I think not only is there fun story stuff to do there, but it also answers why isn't she captain Britain?
T.C.:Right. Right.
Jim:Because because there already is one.
T.C.:Because there is
Jim:a captain. Decided on one. Because you were in a coma That we induced.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, do you wanna thaw out during the cold war and make this, like, a, like, nearing the end of the cold war era hydra, Russian agents.
Jim:No. I think I think it'd be more fun to make it way more contemporary.
T.C.:Okay. Okay. Like,
Jim:unless we have a a, like, a really good story to put in in that era.
T.C.:I'm I'm I'm always forever a fan of pre cell phone technology movies, and that's just why I would would immediately my first pitch would be, let's set this before contemporary. However, if we want to set it contemporary okay. Here's an issue. With multiversal stuff, if we said it contemporary, any other character we want to pull from the MCU to put into this Mhmm. We have to deal with the actors themselves.
T.C.:So any for example, Tony Stark could be the love interest of of, Peggy Carter.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:Howard Stark could be it would be easier for Howard Stark to be a love interest because Dominic Cooper is So that's age to be two.
Jim:Said two different Starks. Is that your idea?
T.C.:No. No. No. I'm I'm just suggesting if we want to bring anyone else in, we have to deal with the actors that exist in those roles or recast. Sure.
T.C.:Because Tony Stark, the love interest of Peggy Carter, does not work because Robert Downey Jr. Is is aged out of Hayley Atwell and him having a romance on screen.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Dominic Cooper has not. So then if we set it in the past or at some point in time where Dominic Cooper can play Howard Stark and be the love interest of Peggy Carter, that works. All that being said, it's just a matter of where we place this will also determine who we can put in it or or recasting it. And I don't wanna recasting it. That's too much work to say, like, this Tony Stark played by, I don't know, John Krasinski.
T.C.:He's he's available.
Jim:Okay. Yeah.
T.C.:So I'm I'm saying we can do it contemporary, but then anyone we add into it, we either just need to accept that we can't have certain actors or not.
Jim:You
T.C.:know, you you get what I'm saying.
Jim:I do get what you're saying. I'm I'm wondering why we could be if we're acknowledging from our opening montage, this is a different timeline Sure. We could recast any of those people and give it only a moment's acknowledgment.
T.C.:Mhmm. I don't want I don't I I I'm less interested in that.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Because we're we're branching off from the super serum moment.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Haley Atwell, even getting Tucci back to players can, having our Chris Evans cameo happen there, and then getting a second one later where it's travel and cap could be fun. But beyond that, I'd want to have Peggy give Peggy her own supporting cast that isn't cameos.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:But then I don't know what to do with that because you're I'm I'm kind of on board for your contemporary setting. So then it just in order to build that out is, well, what's our bill? That'll that'll
Jim:help us.
T.C.:Because captain Britain's easy. We can cast anyone we want. Henry Cavill, you're in. Yeah. He he is British.
Jim:He is. Yeah. You are correct. I'm I'm not sure. I don't have any particular villain in mind.
Jim:Mhmm. It was just, what if we have a nefarious, world jumper?
T.C.:How about, long time ago, we did a a test episode that never settled like day because it was four hours long. And it was what if all the villains in the MCU won?
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:How would that alter the entire reality of the MCU leading up to Thanos? So having Red Skull win or or, Iron Monger win, like, is there a way to
Jim:I see what you're saying.
T.C.:Like, rebuild the entire universe based on if Captain America didn't exist, how does that affect everything going forward? Well, Hydra wins, Red Skull wins moving forward in the timeline.
Jim:Well, because Peggy Carter got the sale instead of Steve Steve Rogers?
T.C.:I'm not suggesting that she couldn't do what he could do. I'm just I'm just creating a domino effect and wondering if we could build off that. If you're saying a multiversal jumper, a Kang variant, do you want it to be a Kang variant?
Jim:It could be a Kang variant.
T.C.:And just have a goo goo come in here and play play the variant that I'd wanted her to be in the first place?
Jim:Sure. That that's one that's one route. I don't know enough other
T.C.:My only favorite net said it's it's too much like Deadpool Wolverine. She needs to stop
Jim:the variant
T.C.:to stop the pruning.
Jim:But that's not what that's not what's happening in if anything, it's it's almost sort of the reverse. And also, Deadpool is more about, an institution doing it. It's it's the TV. It's it's, sure. It's a pseudo rogue element of the TVA that's decided to prune Mhmm.
Jim:His universe. And then, actually, it's not even pruning the universe. He has to dive into the void. Mhmm. Spoilers for Deadpool and Wolverine.
T.C.:Which you have seen by you should have seen by now. It's a
Jim:great move. Uh-uh. Right in the Void isn't ever pruned. Mhmm. And and dead Deadpool and Wolverine is about playing around with the dregs of Marvel IP.
T.C.:Mhmm. Okay. How about Whereas
Jim:and I I realized this is me quibbling to justify playing around with, similar themes and and
T.C.:tropes. Yeah.
Jim:And
T.C.:I'm okay with it. I'm I'm not I'm not saying we can't do it. I just wanna make sure we create a variation of it that isn't derivative. And Mhmm. Something to something here is I think there's something to be had about Peggy fighting Hydra.
T.C.:If someone crosses the multiverse to find a world that Hydra could conquer, then our villain can be Hydra related. If it's we could have Zola make an appearance again as as the computer program that he eventually was.
Jim:I love that. Okay. I love Zola. I'm in. I'm in for you.
T.C.:Zola's in. Yes. Because we have, a villain from Captain America that never got much to do other than being introduced and quickly killed off was Von Strucker. The the most exploration we saw of Von Strucker was his kid in in his shield.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:So Von Strucker is one of the lieutenants of Red Skull.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Baron Zemo also is, but they did something very different with Zemo. Mhmm. Unless we want a multiversal variant of, Zemo to be crossing over to try to take over the world with with a successful hydra. Right? Because then we would
Jim:I guess it depends on what we wanna do with Strucker. I don't know much about him other than that he's a Nazi. Yes. I mean, Zola at least has he's also a scientist. Yeah.
Jim:And, as far as I know, he becomes a computer.
T.C.:Right. He's a computer by, Winter Soldier. Mhmm. We see him.
Jim:Well, he and he had been such for several decades.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. And also was helping Hydra succeed for decades and decades. Yeah. Von Strucker as a character like, he he was used so little in the cinematic universe.
T.C.:I'm sure, what actor played him? Do you know? I can I can picture him?
Jim:I can picture him. I can't I don't know his name.
T.C.:Having having the actor come and get to play the role again would be very exciting, I'm sure. Like, hey. Would you like to be the villain in a Captain America movie? Yes. I would.
T.C.:Let me be evil. Werner Von Straker, Baron Straker, supervillain from the comic books, having
Jim:That's how he introduces himself.
T.C.:Hello. I'm I'm a supervillain from the comic books. I'm played by, Thomas Kretschman played him in age of Ultron recasting. We're recasting.
Jim:We're recasting.
T.C.:Any anyone can believe Aaron Von Strucker. If he's the successor of Hydra, if he's the one who, like, used Zola, crack the multiverse open, he's gonna jump universes and lead a massive takeover of Hydra?
Jim:So so the the the cracking the multiverse, the thing is I I actually think with what we're create he doesn't have to. Right? Looking at, the the parallels we can create between the m's the the the MCU and this world. Right? Captain America wasn't there, but Peggy Carter was.
Jim:Peggy Carter defeats Red Skull.
T.C.:Yes. Yes.
Jim:She is then in her own version of Odin sleep. Mhmm. Whatever we decide that is. Mhmm. So she is out of the game for decades.
Jim:In the MCU, Steve Rogers was also out for decades, and Hydra was able to
T.C.:Rise up.
Jim:Rise and and and and, drill, Burrow into shield and whatnot. Mhmm. The same thing could happen here. We're just going to focus a little more on that happening. And I like, I like the idea of maybe playing up this super soldier war thing, which the MCU does a little bit Mhmm.
Jim:But they they they don't even Falcon and Winter Soldier didn't didn't talk too much about the international war of super soldier stuff. Right? Like,
T.C.:This this is from the Ultimate Comics.
Jim:The Ultimate Comics. The Ultimate Comics create lots.
T.C.:Basically, every first world country had their captain. Mhmm. Yeah.
Jim:And that that's sort of what I'm pot I'm I'm suggesting. I'm I'm, leaning toward.
T.C.:Mhmm. Having some sort of superhero soldier war to end this movie.
Jim:Sort of. Yeah. But it doesn't touch that alone doesn't touch on the multiverse and thus I guess It's not that it necessarily, I I maybe you can convince me that it doesn't have to, but I feel like all of the Marvel movies, Sony aside, have to touch into the MCU in some way. What is happening in this movie that is of any importance
T.C.:To the to tapestry of
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:The sacred timeline.
Jim:Yes. Even if it's a thing where, like like, maybe, to to do, reverse what you said. It's Strucker and Zola, through this super soldier war, actually find a way to tap into the multiverse. So they're like, now we're gonna conquer the multiverse, and Peggy has to stop them. Mhmm.
Jim:Right? So the the relevance to the MCU is, she's the unsung hero. They don't know what she has saved them from.
T.C.:Yeah. I like that.
Jim:Yeah. One way to go. Rather than having something from the multiverse come here
T.C.:Mhmm. And
Jim:threaten this branch, how did this branch threaten the greater tree?
T.C.:I'm gonna see if I can make both things happen. Here's here's a suggestion for you. Okay. Peggy wakes up in a world that's there are an an maybe a couple dozen other captains around the world. She's the first Mhmm.
T.C.:She's the first Avenger, Avenger, and they create an Avengers program where they're captain Britain and captain Germany and captain Italy, what have you, whoever could enter into the program successfully. And they've been sort of Was
Jim:was captain Kanuk Marvel, or was that independent comic?
T.C.:That sounds independent.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Captain Canada. Now, here here okay. Let's see.
Jim:I have I have an issue of that comic. Okay.
T.C.:Over the decades, Hydra has remained at bay. Hydra was defeated. They they were erased off the map. It's a it is a foreshame to even to acknowledge anything. You know, they they were they were defeated.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:They weren't defeated. Anyone who still believed in the ideals of Hydra just kept their mouth shut, and they have been simmering for decades
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Just waiting for an opportunity to rise up again. Cut to Zemo not Zemo. Strucker Von Strucker and, Zola failing to to maintain Hydra for the decades they had. They like, basically, in an alternate universe on the timeline, Hydra has finally defeated it in this giant battle, and their escape plan is to cross over to another universe. And they show up here where Hydra has been all but extinguished, they've just been waiting for someone to show up and give them permission to come out of the woodwork again and say, you know what?
T.C.:History has had enough of you guys hiding. Why don't you all come back out again and rise up? And we'll be the voice to lead you. And nothing's gonna stop because look how many of us there are. This is a voice of the people that needs to sorry.
T.C.:This is a voice of the people that needs to come out again. Right. And they they come out of nowhere and are now leading the rise of hydra. And now it's up to captain Carter to once again face the threat of hydra and stop them. That's a big broad stroke pitch to you Yeah.
T.C.:Because it deals with two two separate universes from the mainline sacred timeline, which is these schmucks have been jumping universe to universe trying to conquer the world with hydra, and they keep finding susceptible universes that are waiting for a leader to rise up and get all the evil out. And and Peggy is our hero to stop them and punch them in the faces and make sure they can't escape to the next universe to do it all over again. There's my there's my
Jim:So they've been successful in these previous
T.C.:They keep getting so close, and something causes them to have to jump to the next timeline to try again.
Jim:I get what you're saying. I don't Okay. And I don't wanna glamorize, such a villain by saying they've been successful until then, but also turning them into, a dastardly Dan and Muttley, I don't I don't think is the the right call either.
T.C.:Okay.
Jim:And
T.C.:then I have a
Jim:Although that alone is kinda funny.
T.C.:Muttley. Okay. That that was just a that was a pitch to throw it out there trying to create Hydra as a villain, trying to parallel it to some things in the real world, folks.
Jim:Yeah. Oh, so you're saying you're saying that a certain person in power is from another universe?
T.C.:No. No. I'm suggesting that there's a whole bunch of assholes who have
Jim:have been waiting for waiting for the right the right app key asshole.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know I like time travel.
Jim:I know you do.
T.C.:How about a villain who keeps resetting the timeline to try again? This is a little too much like dial a destiny Indiana Jones. Yeah. I'll go back into it correctly. If you okay.
T.C.:Pitch to me again a multiversal threat. Someone that
Jim:The thing is it was also pretty broad strokes. Yeah. Like like, I'm thinking just, you know, and and and almost generic run of the mill multiverse jumping villain.
T.C.:It's gang. Right? Right. But here's the issue I take with with some of the pitches. And I'm not saying you and I have done a bad or a good job because we're trying to, like, hone in here.
T.C.:It's if there are dozens of Captain Americas or Captain's, countries, then why is Peggy special? Why is she the one
Jim:to say today? She's special because, all of the super soldiers that exist are from other experiments. The because there's still the notion that Erskine Erskine Yeah. Erskine's serum was the successful one. Mhmm.
Jim:And everyone else's is a cheap knockoff.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And so that and and the only reason Britain's Super Soldiers are better than the others is because they are derived from Peggy's blood.
T.C.:Mhmm. My only fear in this though is that then she's what what makes her the special hero of this universe when there's all these I know you're saying
Jim:that Because she has she has the the largest amount of the super soldier serum.
T.C.:I guess, like, the what we need to answer here then, and we can take a break here to kinda just give ourselves a couple minutes to rally here, is we need a threat that Peggy Carter is meant to defeat. Not Peggy Carter and a whole bunch of other people if we can distill it down to she's the only one who can do this. We need a threat for her to be the chosen hero, the the one and only hero who can do this.
Jim:I I so I understand your your question, but I feel like it comes down to it would be the same thing. It's actually the question that what it was it? Superman three asks? In a world of Superman, who cares about Superman?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. So well, then then we have to have an answer to that.
Jim:It's because it's Superman. I really that that I I know that's glib and and I'm I'm, not interested. It's it's because Clark Kent
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:Who is Superman, Kal El. Mhmm. He it's it's everything that isn't just his muscles Okay. And genetics. It's who he is as a person that makes him the hero.
T.C.:Yes. Yes. Yes.
Jim:And what makes the thing is this has been an escalating war of of super soldiers. What makes Peggy Carter better than, than all that's honestly, that's what Winter Soldier and Falcon Winter Soldier was about. It's like, Steve Rogers was the best of the best. Sure. Why?
Jim:Why was he the best of the best? What's wrong with US agent or the the well, what's wrong with flag smashers? I don't wanna smash all the flags. But but right. Like, it's it's escalating it's this escalating war of super soldiers.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And in that one, it's we don't have the the best of the best is gone. Right. Who who is going to be the best? Well well, it's you, Sam. No.
Jim:No. It can't be me. I'm I'm not as good as Steve. Mhmm. Okay.
Jim:While that is true, that is also why you are the best. Yeah. Because because you don't think you are.
T.C.:You have the humility that Yes. Steve's so good in the first place.
Jim:Yes.
T.C.:You are good. You do deserve this. Okay. How about this?
Jim:And and I I realized we didn't, because we fast forwarded through the the origin and stuff, basically, the story we would need to tell, we would need to show and prove why Peggy Carter is that. What If was able to do that. They did an episode that did all of that and then it flung her into the rest of that series Right. Where she was able to do other things and didn't have to prove why she was that. I don't know
T.C.:if that makes sense. No. That makes sense. Having her her arc be accepting that she she is the captain. She is the best.
T.C.:She is she wasn't just arbitrarily chosen. She rose up and made made a sacrifice to to be injected to to become captain America to become captain Carter. That that accepting under the duress that she was in, being the one to say, no. Do it. I will protect the CRM.
T.C.:I will protect the I will protect your legacy. She has it in her heart. She is the right person to do this. What is your revelation?
Jim:That's what our movie's about. Okay. Yes. I I don't know who our villain is, but it's the whole thing is she's she whether whether she, somehow, however she comes about, comes comes back into to, agency Mhmm. Here in the the the modern day in which there are many super soldiers, about.
Jim:Mhmm. She is tasked by the the British government. You must find like, you were originally assigned to Erskine to find the person to be the super soldier. You must that is still your assignment. Welcome welcome back.
Jim:Same, same assignment. And so she that that's one of the reasons that, you're gonna take this guy with you. Mhmm. This guy who is also a super soldier. We, we know he's real good.
T.C.:Brian Bredick.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. But we, we want you to in fact, check him first. Right? And there's even a thing where he's like, no.
Jim:It's it's not me. I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm good, but, the the real the real super soldier is out there. And so that's a part of what they're doing. And in the end, maybe that's a bad way to start it. That probably is a bad way to start.
Jim:Because what I'm imagining is in the end, it comes down, what whatever it is, however it is, it comes down to, to save the day. She's like, we can't we can't find the right person. The right super soldiers out here. There's something wrong with all of them. They all think too much of themselves or they they they they become despots or they they they do all all of these different things.
Jim:There there's there's no one out there, Brian. There's no one. And that's when Brian's like, yes. There is. It's you.
Jim:It's always been you. It was you the moment Erskine put it in you.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:You didn't want it. And that's precisely why you were the one who was the correct one.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. I'll that getting to that point is excellent.
Jim:Take it from me, the chosen son. Yeah. You are the one.
T.C.:Yeah. I like that. That coming to that conclusion in the just before the finale, before the third act launches, %. I like I like this. This is great.
T.C.:I wanna suggest this for for a villain to to get to. If the program that she's been asleep on, that they've been they've been creating these super soldiers around the world, that there's, like, an arms race happening.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:That's like, every nation has one of these super soldiers now. There's, what's the police states that what's their, their jurisdiction? Like so, like, Peggy works for Strike in in the comics, which is the special tactical reserve for international key emergencies. Strike. And it's a shield existed in The UK, and then at some point in this time in Peggy's timeline, Britain said, we're done.
T.C.:We don't wanna be involved with American stuff anymore. We are fracturing. We'll create our own division. That's where strike came out of it. So it's their shield.
T.C.:Sure. Having this, hydra has become a thing again, even taking straight from the comic that as soon as Peggy's thawed out, hydra comes out of nowhere and she's she's dealing with that. Having the propaganda of the prime minister trying to make her the great that is Great Britain and then realizing she's being sent on assignments against Hydra that isn't Hydra because he's false flagging things to but all that said, and that's just minor nitpicky thing. Little get let's just get okay. Lead up to a a, a convention, some sort of gathering of the powers that be and their super soldiers.
T.C.:And the big revelation of the villain is in the midst of this program that has been developing all these super soldiers, they've been winter soldiering every single one of them. So that Zola or whoever the hidden villain is at all time only has to activate them all at once. And now it's not every country has a super soldier. It's all of them work for one villain, and now Peggy has to punch every one of these guys in the face.
Jim:Oh. Okay. I
T.C.:mean It's almost what the promise of civil war's ending was supposed to be, that there was a room full of super soldiers that Cap was gonna have to fight Yeah. And they were all dead. Mhmm. Let's just fulfill that promise.
Jim:There is no Cap and thus there is no, Zemo to be upset with the because none of that okay. Okay. Okay. I'm I'm liking where this is going. Yeah.
Jim:I'm I'm now on the nature of just, varying universes. I'm wondering how, the whole Thanos thing was dealt with in, this world. But, before we even get there okay. I'm liking this idea. I'm wanting, to flesh out the supporting cast a bit more.
Jim:Okay. Not all of them are, hydrated. Sure. So there is no Captain America. The US super soldier is US Agent.
T.C.:It's John Walker?
Jim:It can be John Walker. Yeah. Yeah. So so he's there. And like an American, he's way too in love with guns and a little too quick quick on the trigger.
Jim:In addition, there is no there is no captain Canada. It is Weapon x.
T.C.:Oh, we are we getting
Jim:We don't have to I don't I actually think we should not put Wolverine out there.
T.C.:Flight. Should we get Well,
Jim:we could do Alpha Flight. No. I was actually thinking the other members of of Weapon x. Like, we have, like, this trio of just badass, disavow disavowable, black ops agents.
T.C.:Lots of Weapon x to to draw from. AJ x is in there.
Jim:The the the one I mainly remember, was Maverick.
T.C.:Oh my god.
Jim:But he didn't really have any powers or nothing.
T.C.:The, like, the test subjects. Yeah. We got we have a lot to draw from if we wanna go straight to the comics for which
Jim:we should. And if we really wanna like, I know I know they have the the red, guardian in the MCU. Mhmm. We wanna get real crazy. We could do omega red is is in this universe.
T.C.:That's the Russian super soldier? Yeah.
Jim:Oh. So but what that means so that means we take our named comic book people and they're not they haven't been hydra fied.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:So Russia's Agent is free thinking. US Agent is free thinking. The Weapon X people are their own people. So in the end, it's Carter, Captain Britain, US agent, two or three Weapon X dudes, and Omega Red Mhmm. Fighting against an army of Hydra super soldiers.
T.C.:Yes. Hell, yeah. I mean, come on. That's a cool I know it's
Jim:Led by Strucker as as the villain and then, like, supported by a by, like, some some Ultron esque seventies, Zola
T.C.:Zola bot. Zola bot. Okay. Yeah. Here.
T.C.:I I I'm with with this enthusiasm, I have to throw it to a commercial real quick.
Jim:K.
T.C.:And we'll come back and and keep keep playing this because now I think we found something damn solid here.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Okay. Cool. Throwing it to a commercial. Here's some messages from Six Five Media. We'll be right back.
T.C.:Alright. So because John Walker is the American super soldier and they didn't use the, because, Britain and America, like, separated before any of the, super serum could be shared, they developed their own courtesy of mister Bruce Banner, and that's the super serum that's in John Walker. So in the finale, he can get so pissed off, he hulks out.
Jim:He becomes the blue hulk? Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. He's the no. We make a good red hulk is what the red, white, and blue hulk. Oh god. You like that little, like, a little
Jim:A little bit.
T.C.:If he's got
Jim:Actually, you know who can be included, so that there there would even be a bad guy one? Mhmm. Nuke.
T.C.:Mhmm. Nuke.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Is that another Claremont creation? I feel like all the best I
Jim:thought it was a Frank Miller creation.
T.C.:Oh, Nuke Marvel character. Actually, you know what? That does sound like a Frank and Brad Miller character.
Jim:I thought he was created for Daredevil.
T.C.:Oh, yeah.
Jim:Daredevil fought him.
T.C.:For for born again.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. You're right. Yeah. That is totally a Frank Miller creation. Well done.
T.C.:So Nuke.
Jim:Nuke was technically used in, the Daredevil Netflix show. I believe he did also die there in season two.
T.C.:That's alright. We'll just, get another good note. Oh, that's right. That's right.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:Because he was, was he dating someone?
Jim:Yeah. He was dating the the newscaster person.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. Jessica Jones' friend.
T.C.:So he's he was in Jessica Jones season one and two.
Jim:Oh, oh, yeah. Yeah. Jessica Jones, not Daredevil.
T.C.:That's fun. Yeah. Hey. You know what? He'd be happy to get that phone call.
T.C.:Guess what? You're back. You're back, baby. Okay. So having okay.
T.C.:So we we sort of got to a cool climax of no. So no sort about it. We found a cool climax of all the agents being winter soldier activated at some events, and then Peggy and her team of soldiers are, her Howland Commandos are going up against this worldwide coalition of super serum injected soldiers that are under the control of Strucker and Zola. So now have they been sleeper villains this whole time and reveal themselves in the third act? And this is the mystery that is building up much like Winter Soldier, the movie, the Camp American Winter Soldier.
Jim:So but why do they all get together? Why is there a meeting of the super soldier owners?
T.C.:It it could be some sort of, like, Geneva convention of where, like, these accords need to be signed. We need to come to an agreement of that we are all getting along. This is a peace summit. We're bringing together, like, we're all coming together to go
Jim:And we're we're we're gonna bring all of our nukes here Yes. With us Yeah. As a show of good faith.
T.C.:Yes. Yeah. Yeah. We're all shaking hands. We're all gonna get it's gonna be one big picture opportunity.
T.C.:Yeah. Justin Hammer, who's this big publicist because, you know, why not have more Sam Rockwell in the world? Sure. He's like, it's a great opportunity. We get them in here.
T.C.:We get them all together. We take pictures. It's kinda like, you probably didn't see Incredibles two, did you?
Jim:No. I did not.
T.C.:So Bob Odenkirk plays a guy who's like loves superheroes, and he's trying to create a better image of superheroes in the world. And part of that is, like, getting them together for photo ops, and and Elastigirl is the is the poster woman of this organization. Anyway, I'm using that as an example to say there can be a reason why there's some sort of peace summit. Or reverse of it, it could be a battle's about to break out that there's some sort of it's like we are at a breaking points between all these nations, and and they are sending all their soldiers to a singular spot. Like, a world war is about to break out, and all the soldiers are showing up.
T.C.:So we can go we can go either way.
Jim:Thanos wasn't with the Chitauri, were was he?
T.C.:No. He controlled them. He, like, he took over the Chitauri and used them as his his
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:Forerunners.
Jim:But so it was just Loki and the Chitauri on Earth in Avengers?
T.C.:Yeah. Thanos assigned Loki. You go take over Earth. I'm giving you the Chitauri army to do so.
Jim:What if while Peggy slept, Avengers happened and rather than the Avengers stopping the invasion of the Chitauri and, Loki, it was, a a a coalition, a a a Of super soldiers. Of super soldiers. Yeah. Basically, the world came to like, the Chitauri did. It it was an invasion of New York, and it was successful.
Jim:And the world came together to push them back.
T.C.:I gave you a look because it's very nine eleven of you that the world will unite over an attack in New York. Sure. Go on. I'm listening. I'm a sip my lemonade.
Jim:And, since then, there has been talk of so so if they were defeated, that means the gate was never closed. So there's a talk about who and how they're going to go through this gate. I'm not liking this idea because it's becoming way too big and complicated.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:It makes for a really cool setting, like like a like, a, like, a gaming setting.
T.C.:Let's try this.
Jim:But but for us, a movie, this is too much.
T.C.:Yeah. I I let's let's postpone Thanos. Let's imagine this movie's existing is a singular thing. But if this were to continue like, some of the what ifs gave us scenarios that, like, there could be more stories set in this universe. Shigeta and Kingo could go on to fight celestials.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:We'll probably never see that, but we could. This movie could end with the suggestion that we may never see, and there can be some Reddit or sorry. Some screen rant article that says, 15 Marvel subplots that were dropped like a dead habit. And it's the oh, remember in the Captain Carter movie, they hinted at Thanos at the end? We'll never see that.
T.C.:Anyway, I'm I'm suggesting we contain this to Earth, and any suggestion of any Well, okay.
Jim:Well, I mean, we do also have the other problem of the multiverse. Mhmm. Or we could just forego the entire thing. We're just doing our own real big what if.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:To I don't like that as much. But
T.C.:To tie it into the multiverse. Okay. So two two things to to address here. Let's come back to the multiverse issue. Let's set that aside for now.
Jim:Okay. And let's look specifically at getting our characters
T.C.:Peggy is revived in a contemporary setting. We're super Peggy is revived in a contemporary setting where super soldiers are everywhere. Yep. And she's like, wow. This is what I'm waking up to.
T.C.:What do I I'm just gonna live my life then. Everything I knew is gone. I don't need to be an agent. And then the first attack of Hydra, I'm drawn again fright from the comics. That's what gets her she's un she's unthawed.
T.C.:She goes to work, and she's like, I'm just I'm I'm not captain Carter. I'm not gonna put on the costume. I'm not gonna throw the shield around. I just wanna get back to living my life. I've had money in in stocks for eighty years.
T.C.:I'm fine. And then Hydra comes out, attacks her, and she gets right back to work.
Jim:And then Why does Hydra attack her?
T.C.:It's a false flag to get her out of action to make great great again.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:But, to get her active again and then lead us to cracking the case, solving the mystery, following the rabbit trail super soldiers activated Winter Soldier style. Let's fight. That's this is the whole middle of the movie that we're that, connecting a to b that we need to just we need to poke that
Jim:a little bit. Yeah.
T.C.:Because the setup's great. I like what you what we got here, her taking the serum. She wakes up in contemporary world where there's super soldiers everywhere. Now, and and, oh, your suggestion that of, like, she's she's, like, I don't want to fight. Just assign me to finding who should be captain Britain.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, but he's been assigned.
T.C.:Or or, evaluating all the other super soldiers around the world. Like, we're developing a coalition. You need to,
Jim:But why would they send her?
T.C.:They could be using her in as in in an ambassadorial capacity, that she is, just doing a whirlwind tour. They they they aren't using her as a soldier. They are using her as a spokesperson much like the original Captain America.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:You're just a spokesperson. You're not not meant to fight, and you don't want to. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want to.
T.C.:And then there has to be a triggering event that has her going fine. I'm doing this again.
Jim:So my thought is, there are rising tensions around the globe Mhmm. Much because of the the super soldier, escalation. Right? So it is her and captain Britton going around trying to take photo ops and making peace. Essentially, like, I I I'm imagining, like, a World War one type situation.
Jim:Tensions are high, but there are there are certain, alliances. And there there it's it's this it's this spiderweb of alliances that keeps things from exploding out of hand.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And maybe there are two or three scenarios that they just avert things going wrong. Right? They the, each each not every place they go, but there's a couple places they go, and maybe that gives them some clues that something larger is happening here because that's a couple times now that someone has tried kicking off, an assassination or something. They they they tried doing their own Ferdinand. Yeah.
Jim:Franz Ferdinand, situation.
T.C.:Okay. The
Jim:And so then it's maybe like like so they're either ordered to, set this set this summit up.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And it turns out, would that make sense? The person that was sending them to do this rather than I I don't know about that. I'm not I'm not fully on board with the the Hydra false flag thing Yeah. But that might not actually, that might not be too bad. We could maybe whatever.
Jim:But, yeah, it so it turns out that the the British leader that that has been sending her and stuff. Mhmm. Oh, maybe his whole thing is he was looking, maybe he's looking to actually get her and captain Britain Mhmm. Assassinated. Mhmm.
Jim:That's why he's a part of orchestrating this and why it's so important that the assassination, the the the the the sabotage ambushes that that are taking place happen where they're at. Mhmm. Because he wants to set up a new program. Either either something that creates many more super soldiers?
T.C.:You're on okay. I got something I got something to leech out there to jump off that. Okay.
Jim:But he's a part of the Hydra situation.
T.C.:Yes. Yes. I I so having a select few nations have their captains. So it's 12. Like, say there's, like, 12 nations that all have their captains or super soldiers.
T.C.:But there's a a growing demand, a growing aggression towards, no. We all deserve one. Why don't we have one? Why don't we have one? And there's, growing tensions, certain attacks on facilities.
T.C.:There's just there's a, the the the simmering pot is starting to boil, and the British prime minister is sending Carter and, Braddock Mhmm. Around to evaluate and also to lower tensions. Like, listen. You gotta go visit this location. They keep having attacks on their facility.
Jim:Go glad hand in Yeah. In this country.
T.C.:Like, there's a reason we can't let everybody have a nuke. And so we just need we need a peace tour that just says, hey. It's for your own good that just that just Germany has one. And and that's why Liechtenstein can't have one. Like, trying to to pave it all out, pave it all over.
T.C.:Like, just like, man, peace. Peace. But at these locations, that rising tension is deliberate or it's it's it's all man, this is some Palpatine level of orchestration. But it's it is trying to position everyone on the board to, if if the the British leader who's ultimately the head of hydro that's connected to Strucker is like, we need to create a situation where everyone gives us permission to be the leaders. Supreme chancellor situation here.
T.C.:Like, we need to
Jim:Oh, I should no. I'd I'd I would rather rather than them visiting places that don't have super soldiers and trying to placate them Yeah. They should be visiting other places that have super soldiers because the reason they have super soldiers is because they're like, no. You're not gonna mess with us. We have our own defender.
Jim:Okay. Cool. Our defenders are showing up, and they're gonna be make friends with your defenders. Mhmm. But if if a explosion happens there, that's badness and that's gonna ignite problems.
Jim:And people are gonna have to come to each other's defenses all of World War one. Yes. So that's why he's like, oh, go go take a picture with captain Germany.
T.C.:And then
Jim:Go take a picture with with captain Egypt Yeah. And and and so forth. And, so he's trying to he's trying to get them killed Mhmm. To to ignite this thing, but it's also because then he can activate his secret British Hydra super
T.C.:soldiers? Or activate them all at once to be like, okay. It's very clear there that Hydra has returned. And the only way we're gonna defeat these not I mean, these Hydra agents is if we all band together to fight them. And like Palpatine creating the clones to fight the robots and controlling both sides, he's basically doing it to create a world war that he is the the leader of, and then he can activate all his soldiers at once and they're they are, loyal to him and him only.
T.C.:Maybe I mean, this is this is tough. This is tough.
Jim:This is where I was so I was thinking okay. So behind the scenes, our, Prime minister. Give him a name.
T.C.:It is, Williams in in the actual Captain Carter comic.
Jim:Sure. Williams. I was I was thinking the the, weasel trader guy from James Bond. Boris? Was was that his name?
T.C.:I'm invincible. Alan Cumming?
Jim:No. No. No. From, he tried taking over in the the,
T.C.:Oh, Andrew Scott from Yeah. From Spectre. Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:That that's all.
T.C.:I was
Jim:I was just thinking, whatever letter he was gonna be is what I was gonna say. But Williams. Okay. So
T.C.:c. It was c because c. Because m is like, now I know what c stands for.
Jim:So c Williams, is is what he what he wants to do is the super soldiers here in Britain are an institution, and there's it's it's a very small amount of them. They get one one per generation, basically. Right? And, a, that is not keeping up with some of the other countries even though, like like, they they all have their their kinda one.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:There is this this escalating thing. And you know what's better than one? More than one.
T.C.:More than one.
Jim:So maybe that's why he wants to get Peggy Carter woken up. But the other problem is he needs to get they're not under his control.
T.C.:Mhmm.
Jim:And there's this group that he clandestinely, he knows about that is selling super soldiers.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:So if he can clear the way for, if he can clear, these legacy super soldiers off the board Mhmm. And get the, the prime minister or the or or the British government to okay these super soldiers he has in the background. Mhmm. They can have their own group. Yeah.
Jim:What he is not what he is blinded to is that this group who is selling him super soldiers is Strucker Yes. Who has been selling super soldiers and super soldier serums Yeah. To everyone except The US, Canada, Britain, and Russia.
T.C.:Yes. Yeah. So then they then he Strucker can activate him. So then prime minister
Jim:That's and that's why at at yes. He oh, he's totally a dupe. He thinks he's gonna, like, oh, I'm
T.C.:gonna rule the world.
Jim:Yeah. Right? Like, America has the one and Canada has they say they have zero, but they have, like, three.
T.C.:A whole weapon x pro
Jim:area.
T.C.:10. That's what the x stands for.
Jim:Oh, there you go. Okay. Weapon 10.
T.C.:But surprise. Once once the the
Jim:and then once once they're like and then so Carter keeps avoiding these the these these ambushes Mhmm. That that are being set up to take him down. And, ultimately, be because the cover is, oh, you're gonna go make friends with all of these people Mhmm. And we're gonna have a big old friend party at the end. It would be great.
Jim:Yeah. And she keeps not dying before then, so they have to have the big friend party.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And that's why that happens where they all get activated there. Mhmm. That's my thought. I don't know if that's contrived and stupid or not.
T.C.:Well, I mean, it it is contrived. It's not stupid. It's it is all getting us to a point. I think if we look at this from the lens of the Mission Impossible movies, which have a lot of, like, we're we're just trying to get to the action set pieces. Let's move the characters from a to b to c.
T.C.:The better we do that, the, like, four or five, six. Like, creating the we were attacked once. That was bad. We were attacked a second time. Now it's suspicious.
T.C.:Now they're actively investigating. They're they're following the trail. They want to be attacked. They wanna capture their assassins. Hail Hydra.
T.C.:Oh, why that's the only thing they ever say. You know, get get some get a get a new trick, buddy. You know? And then, leading like, following that trail while still trying to do their job. Stop going rogue.
T.C.:Do your job. Alright. We're gonna investigate on the sly so that it all culminates at the same place at the same time. Gesundheit. The, Gesundheit.
T.C.:Yeah. That's that the revelation of, oh, shit happens right when Von Strucker activates the wolves pulled out from everyone, the revel like, everything culminates at once so that there's nothing that can be done. Oh. They're all activated.
Jim:What do you think about the way that happens is Williams is in is in his his home or whatever Mhmm. And he thinks, oh, it's it's hap it's all it's all going as planned.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And that's when, like, like, maybe he took a super soldier as his bodyguard. I guess it's it's a little too order 66 on that. But, basically Yeah. Like
T.C.:like
Jim:a thing happens where he realizes he's been a dupe and he's been sold out by Strucker. And Strucker is now about to assassinate him Mhmm. As they're about to activate that, so he quickly calls Carter to warn her. Yeah. What?
Jim:No. It was me. It was me.
T.C.:I did it also. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
Jim:Yeah. Uh-uh. Uh-uh. And you're you're about to, like this is all about to go down, and then he gets, like, he gets
T.C.:So so
Jim:gacked there.
T.C.:Zola appears on his on his team. Yeah.
Jim:There you go.
T.C.:Prime ministers, there's a little thing we'd like to tell you. Okay. Sit back. Enjoy your whole team. Okay.
T.C.:Check it out. We as the bad guys, we've been duping you the whole time. Nothing you can do about it. And he's trying to make a call. Like, don't try to make the call.
T.C.:It's not gonna happen. We're gonna blow you up. In fact, blowing him up even helps activate things even further that, like Something like that. Yeah. Awful the threat is out there.
T.C.:Our prime minister was assassinated.
Jim:Basically, I guess I'm trying to build a boy that that struck her that the, the leaders of the nations are not the villains. They are the dupes.
T.C.:Yes. I like that.
Jim:By cozying up to all of them has he's he's the the fox in the hen house, and he now has access to all of that stuff. And without being duly elected, he and his cronies are gonna go in and take everything.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Well, that's really good. Where'd you come on with that? That's really good.
T.C.:Oh, man. I mean, it's pretty unbelievable. That's pretty good.
Jim:That's ultimately what I was what I was trying to to to build that
T.C.:for. Yeah. You know who might be able to get a cameo in here is Sharon Carter. Because she's the deal she's the broker in Falcon and a Soldiers. She's, like, wheeling and dealing some nefarious things.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:So we could get a cameo of Emily Vanderkamper. Is that her name? But, to have Sharon make an appearance this.
Jim:But It's so it's weird what they've done with her in her role in the MC or in in Marvel and and also the way they set her up. She is Peggy Carter's niece.
T.C.:Right.
Jim:Right?
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:And she's a bad guy?
T.C.:She she has made a choice. She feels righteous in what she's done. It is Emily VanCamp. Yeah. She doesn't see herself as a villain.
T.C.:She sees herself she's an opportunist.
Jim:I don't care how she sees herself.
T.C.:Yeah. She's a bad guy. She's helping she's as much of a bad guy as Shang Chi's sister is.
Jim:So would we is is
T.C.:Team those two up. What are you doing, MCU? That's perfect. O o Shang
Jim:Chi, sister and sister and and, Sharon Carter? Yeah. Sharon Carter? Yeah. She's in 13.
Jim:So are, would, Peggy Carter shame her niece? Would, like, would would that be the thing that happens there?
T.C.:If we choose to put Sharon in here and have her be like, you don't understand. You've been frozen. You don't understand. I'm not I'm surviving.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:I'm not doing anything. Like, it's sort of yeah. She's she's like
Jim:Oh, what?
T.C.:She has
Jim:a rash shield. Borders are an illusion. Yeah. You're you you are loyal to a thing that isn't loyal to you Yeah. And frankly doesn't even exist anymore.
Jim:Mhmm. The villains you're fighting are beyond borders now.
T.C.:Having them both
Jim:Make her like a dark sage, basically?
T.C.:Kinda. Yeah. Yeah. To to Peggy to scold her and give her whole thing.
Jim:I I wonder if that's gonna be a part of Brave New World.
T.C.:To have Sharon pop up?
Jim:No. Just that that notion of Borders aren't
T.C.:real. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. That that the villains aren't playing by those rules anymore.
T.C.:Well, villains aren't playing by any of the rules we thought they were playing by. And that that's could be Sharon sorry. That could be Peggy's naivety to say, like, good people are good. Heroes are heroes. Villains are villains.
T.C.:Like, she sees things in much simpler terms because that's the era she came in where you could point at the bad flag and go bad, punch bad, hero's good. But even even the results of what got us to World War two, World War one, the the history that was written afterwards, the displacement of people, the history is nothing but blood and and uprisings and rebellions. And and and we we all have a disillusionment about the good guys and the bad guys. Sometimes it is black and white. It's easy to say, holocaust is bad.
T.C.:But sometimes that's not easy for some idiots to do. So having Peggy have a a more simplistic, naive view of things and Sharon being the one going, you need to wake up. It is you are in the future now and all that stuff that that heroic heroism for the past is not as what you think it is.
Jim:Sure. I actually I think Peggy's response would be, no. It's it's always been that way.
T.C.:Yes.
Jim:And what we need to do is we need to rise above it. Yes.
T.C.:And we need to be the
Jim:best we can.
T.C.:Absolutely. Because it it is super cynical and defeatist to have we're gonna say it's Sharon's perspective, but that perspective of it's all it's all gray and and and and you can't point at the evil because even the heroes are like, that notion sucks. Mhmm. But there's there's there is there's still good in this world. And and the people who are willing to truly rise up and fight against what's wrong, and and learn from history to to do what the right thing is.
T.C.:Those are the real heroes, and I think Peggy ultimately will embody that. Because that's what Captain America should embody is the the ideals of those stars and stripes and the ideals of freedom and all that, not not the manipulated version that we see time and time again.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:The best Captain America stories are that. Yeah. Even the Nomad era was a wonderful post Vietnam era Captain America to go. I'm this the system is broken, and I can't represent that anymore.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:We get a little bit of that in Infinity War when Cap shows up. He's pulled the star off his chest. Oh. He's he's he's he's not an American soldier anymore.
Jim:He's because that that was from the fallout of civil war. Exactly.
T.C.:He's a freedom fighter. Yeah. And, and yeah. So yeah.
Jim:Fighting for freedom. Wherever there's trouble, Captain America's there.
T.C.:Captain Carter is there. Okay. So having having this sort of all these machinations leading up to Captain Carter and her Howling Commandos punching the crap out of
Jim:It's some sort of world Winter Soldier. Summit Yeah. Type thing that, go goes superman sharing in candidate. All all of the super soldiers that are there with their representatives are all activated.
T.C.:Oh, oh, and and John sorry. Not that. Brad Bradick saying, like, no. It is you. It's always been you.
T.C.:Her giving that, like, small speech to Sharon earlier, I don't wanna get all wonder woman 85 here. But if she finally accepts that she is the first avenger, that she is the the hero that she's always been meant to be, that she can stand up there and and speak to the world and say, you know, like, good is good, bad is bad, and I'm gonna fight for what's right. She finally accepts that she is
Jim:She truly is Captain Planet.
T.C.:Okay. The broader question, multiverse. Yeah. Now it could be as simple as, a portal opening up and freaking Clea walks out again and is like, hey. I recruited doc Strange from one universe.
T.C.:You need to come with me now. We have a secret war we're about to fight. We need all the best soldiers across the multiverse. You're one of them. I'm gonna Nick Fury you.
T.C.:It could be as simple as that as our stinger. And so and then our our captain, Carter, gets to show up in Secret War, the the the seventh Avenger movie that's coming next year, 2027.
Jim:So just just okay. So just connect it through through a stinger? Through
T.C.:a stinger. Yeah. I'm that's the easiest way to do it, that she has just proven herself the hero of an entire planet. She is Captain Planet and and that in recruiting across the multiverse, the best of the best, sir,
Jim:she's the best of the best. I know
T.C.:it's not as as exciting to connect at all. Okay. I love that.
Jim:Yeah. Un unfortunately, like, in the discussion of ideas, I realized we're we we're on the air and we kinda need to keep going. This is the kind of thing that I ponder for for a while.
T.C.:This will be what keeps you up tonight. Yeah. They're like, woah. That's how we should have done it.
Jim:I I want it to be more like like, I I would I would love to put it right at the beginning somehow so that way audiences immediately are like, oh, that's how Mhmm. Rather than this whole, well, when's it gonna where where is it? Oh, okay. It's different. Where is it?
Jim:All night We
T.C.:we after her origin story, we pan to the title screen, we pan up, and we see Oato's eyes in the sky just looking down. There. It's connected. It's all connected. He's watching.
Jim:Well, but the thing is then the other thing is it can't just be a what if. Mhmm. Because then it's just a what if. Like like and not only is it just a what if, it's just a extra It's a super special episode
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Of what if. Right? Because it's not even their it's not even their, multiverse traveling, Carter. This is this is technically I don't wanna say any less important. Mhmm.
Jim:But this this is sort of a a a more corner niche Captain Carter story.
T.C.:Where did Steve get all the the gems from? Is there a spot? Tony. Right. I'm trying to think if there's a way to connect traveling Captain America to activating activating Peggy.
T.C.:That, like, is there some way we can place her, for example, when he's stopping off to drop off the the one gem and seeing the fracture point and going like, oh, this was a fracture point of the multiverse because of the gem. I'm gonna, like, hey. Peggy's over here. Yeah. And then you
Jim:just Right. Because we also have to have a, Chris Evans, at least a cameo.
T.C.:Well, we have if we do the opening sequence where he's killed in the assassination attempt, like, he was the chosen one to be Cap America and is killed. We can even use file footage from and Chris Evans doesn't have to do anything. But, you know, you're suggesting that it's something I
Jim:don't know if I don't know if we wanna have Chris Evans cameo be and you die.
T.C.:He He would love it.
Jim:Because they already did that in Wolverine. Did that.
T.C.:This time, he says all those things again too.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah.
T.C.:He's about to he's about to climb in there.
Jim:Exact same thing. Yeah.
T.C.:I'm the right guy because of this. Yeah. This is what I want you to tell Hitler. I want him to gobble my balls. Okay.
T.C.:So having some multiversal connection from the get, sure. There there's there's there is
Jim:What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to make the Zola here the Zola from the MCU because the way Zola goes out Mhmm. I mean, he's just a a a a Nazi computer putz. Yeah. Yeah. But he goes out so simple.
Jim:He's just gonna, like, time to die.
T.C.:Blah blah blah blah. Okay.
Jim:And I was I was I was, like, in in the past, I've thought about, like, what if he could have somehow interfaced with Ultron? Actually, didn't he do that in one of the the what ifs?
T.C.:Was it the zombie one?
Jim:I was thinking oh, maybe that yeah. I think maybe that's that's the one.
T.C.:Well, whatever the case. Having having him interface with with Ultron.
Jim:But for Ultron to happen, all of the other, MCU stuff has to happen. Mhmm.
T.C.:I don't wanna add Ultron to this unless Zola interface with Ultron and zips over to another universe.
Jim:That's what I was that's what I was trying to do. How how, how could he zip through the multiverse? Could we somehow show Zola grabbing onto some sort of PIM tech getting shrunken down into the Now
T.C.:we're done.
Jim:The quantum realm Yeah. And then finding his way out from there?
T.C.:Mhmm. We we could even potentially Okay. Fuzzy ideas here.
Jim:So Right. Because because who is we we don't have much actual footage of from the seventies through the nineties things happening, but we do know stuff happened. Mhmm. We know both Pym and, Goliath. I don't remember the the I I know it's Laurence Fishburne.
Jim:Yeah. We're doing experiments. They were doing stuff. Mhmm. I I know that there's the insinuation that Goliath was even doing stuff with Shield.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:Yeah. Even even in what if we see him as, an agent of Shield. But, so it's it's well but okay. So, I mean, would you want it's Bill Foster's character. Do you would you want Goliath involved in this somehow?
Jim:No. Not necessarily. I'm I'm just trying to, find the through line to show that that that we could take Zola Mhmm. Activated in the sixties or seventies as a computer in the MCU, and we see him send a packet, through a phone line to a computer in in Shield somewhere Mhmm. Where he nests himself in some program, that go that Goliath and and Pym or that that Foster and Pym Mhmm.
Jim:Are working on. He we he he weasels his way over into another program that shrinks down with was her name Sharon? The the not the wasp, Janet. That shrinks down with with Janet, so he's there when, she initially shrinks down. And we get a view of that Mhmm.
Jim:In Quantumania. So from there, she would, she we see her meet Kang.
T.C.:Okay. She doesn't he doesn't have the
Jim:latch on the Kang.
T.C.:I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. I think I yes. We're gonna do this.
Jim:Probably going too far. No.
T.C.:No. We're gonna do this. Okay. This is Zola. The Zola that's the villain in this movie that basically activates von Strucker to lead to this whole coup Mhmm.
T.C.:That that, that our heroes have to defeat in the end. It is Zola from six one six dash c as you dubbed it. And the revelation of this will come at a midpoint in the movie, and we get to do a montage that explains all this. When Zola does his explains himself how is this all possible, Well, let me tell you a story.
Jim:I've come a long way.
T.C.:I've come longer than you can imagine. From further of ways than you can imagine. So then we don't disrupt anything that happens for Peggy for the opening, to get her to modern day, to to to to have this mystery start unfold. It could even be go so far as as kinda recreating the or sorry, the Captain America Winter Soldier scene when Zola tells Steve what he did. Sure.
T.C.:We could kinda recreate that. I like the idea that he's in a pin bot or a an Ultron bot, that Zola is not just stuck in a TV, that he's actually been he's got an autonomous form, but that he goes, let me now that I have your attention, let me explain to you how far I've come.
Jim:Sure.
T.C.:I've been across the universes. I've seen worlds where this has happened, where this has happened. You got skewered by the Scarlet Witch and won. Like, I've I've been and this was the world that was right for the plucking. And all the science, all the all the chemistry was perfect for me to do exactly what needed to be done.
T.C.:That's a villain monologue. It's a little hokey. We could find a better way to do it, but that gives you Zola from 06/16 proper.
Jim:Do you like that data?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah. Why not? I mean, we've seen the dangers of technology between, infinite, Infinity Ultron Mhmm. In What If?
T.C.:And, Thanos, like, like, these villains, they should be as bad as bad can be. And having having this Zola computer, well, Toby Jones is somehow, like he's, like, the top it's him, then Strucker, then William Yeah. The prime minister Williams is, like, the dope of all this. It's it's a lot to weave together, but it's not it doesn't sound impossible.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:And and do you like the midpoint revelation of this to have a monologue moment of, like
Jim:Especially if it it means, once he gets to this world, he even replaces himself. He finds the computer that he's stuck in.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:And, I'm just gonna Delete. Replace you because I got some some upgrades to put into place here.
T.C.:But we did. Okay. I think we've laid enough out here. Do you wanna is there anything else you wanna touch on before I start wrapping up here? Because this is a this is solid stuff.
T.C.:This is fun. There's a lot more we can explore, but I think I think this is a a a point where we could say we have beat this out to the point of
Jim:The only other thing I think I'd maybe want to try suggesting anywhere in there is Zola does have either he he's already he already has, an escape plan set
T.C.:Oh, to zip to another universe.
Jim:If if necessary. Or to, I like the idea that he's not jumping through the multiverse through the t well, he's he's oh, I guess it is quantum technically through the TVA. Yeah. He's going down to the quantum realm Mhmm. And coming back up.
Jim:That's why he's not necessarily registering as a variant
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:In a way that the TVA would normally catch Yeah. If I'm understanding the TVA correctly.
T.C.:Sure. Well, we we can make bend the rules here, particularly because he's not a living being. He is a program. Yeah. So it's it's a it's a strange tech, and he's a genius computer.
T.C.:He's he is practically Ultron level intelligent.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:So he could work his way into the ones and zeros to not be detected.
Jim:Mhmm.
T.C.:I've been detected before, but I've escaped before. And even saying something like that and suggesting he already has an escape plan allows us as an epilogue of this for for Peggy to be looking at his escape plan and and having Kang's, ship kind of thing. Like, have seen a device to go, she could travel the multiverse of ass.
Jim:Sure. Some something like that. Yeah.
T.C.:Yeah. Do you think, like, Peggy Carter super soldier could be the name of this movie? Cap or captain captain Carter super soldier? Not to I took completely tangent into another
Jim:For sure.
T.C.:Yeah. Super soldier of the multiverse. We don't have to title this. It's just it was just a a thought that struck me right now. Okay.
T.C.:This is what I wanna do. I'm gonna wrap it up.
Jim:Okay.
T.C.:You can start scratching your beard over there.
Jim:Gil. Captain Carter, Zola's big plan.
T.C.:Zola Wait a minute. That total the title total is everything. Rise of the machines.
Jim:Also undermines captain Carter being the title character.
T.C.:Gil, how did we do? Did we did we achieve your demand? We got a Chris Evans cameo. Hayley Atwell is still in here. We played in the multiverse.
T.C.:I'm I would like to know how we did. So that also goes to you listeners out there. You can let us know if did do you agree with what we came up with here? Did you do you disagree? Did we miss something?
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T.C.:There's some really silly episodes, and there's some really exciting ones and actually some really, touching ones with, like, some of the characters really dealing with the actions. And you get to hear the voices of all your nearly all your favorite actors coming back to play their characters. So agree, disagree. How do you do? What do you think?
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Jim:You've given me no time.
T.C.:I've given you at least two two minutes. I have actually left three minutes.
Jim:Oh, dang. That is all the time in the world. I'm I don't know how our studio feels about it. If they're happy with it, great. I'm dissatisfied with our Chris Evans cameo.
T.C.:Okay. Well, I'll tell you what.
Jim:And and and I've been I've been mulling, over these last long three minutes.
T.C.:Chris Evans cameo.
Jim:Okay. Yes. Steve Rogers is chosen at the beginning. And not that he not that they don't find him. They do find him.
Jim:Mhmm. And, I I don't remember exactly how it happens in what if, but here, he does he gets killed. He gets killed as skinny skinny little Steve Rogers. He's a hero rescuing Erskine and Carter long enough for them to run away from this the situation Great. For the rest of the the the situation to happen, but he dies.
Jim:Yeah. I mean, they're like, no, Steve. Yeah. You were such a good kid. And he does show up at the end.
Jim:A portal opens, and a Captain America steps through a different Captain America than we've ever seen. Mhmm. Because this Captain America is from he is he's jumped several universes now. He is chasing Zola. He's chasing Zola copies.
Jim:He is from a world where Zola pulled some of this mess as well. Mhmm. But he's he's he's Captain Multiverse, essentially.
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:And so he shows up and Carter's already, like, she's like, oh, who who like, Steve?
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:So they they get a bit of a reunion, like Yeah. Hey, Peggy. Yeah. Like, so he could even address her, like like, he's met Peggy's before, and this is another one. And it's always sweet, and it's always bittersweet.
Jim:Yeah. And he said, I'm here I'm here for Zola. Have something like that. And she really, we've already taken
T.C.:care of that.
Jim:We took
T.C.:care of that.
Jim:Yeah. We got him here on this little micro chipper. I don't know. Hand him over.
T.C.:And he
Jim:hands him over, or it's just that we've already taken care of him. And he's like, that's great to hear. And maybe he explains a bit of his situation. We don't have to have a lot. Just like, he pulled some he pulled some shenanigans over in my world as well.
Jim:Mhmm. And he and he says, I I have to go. There's other Zolas to to stop. Yeah. But I I would wanna change him enough that he is recognizable as Captain America, but he's very clearly a different new quote, unquote, new Captain America that we've never seen.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:So, yeah. So he is forever chasing Zola.
T.C.:I like that. That's fun. Yeah. And it gets it.
Jim:And it also suggests Zola's escape plan Mhmm. Really was just sort to sort of meet up with any other Zolas. Zola has already basically, I would, at this point, I wanna do with Zola what I think Ultron would should have done, which is make backup copies.
T.C.:Yeah. You dumb dumb. He has spread his Zola ness all across the multiverse. Yeah. You could, like, literally spread
Jim:his effective or not there, he is he's done so.
T.C.:Yeah.
Jim:Does that make him too does that undermine Carter stopping him here too much?
T.C.:She saved her world.
Jim:Yeah.
T.C.:She's she's not there could even be part of that scene where she says he's like, do you wanna come with she's like, I'm I'm it took me eighty years to get back to
Jim:problems here.
T.C.:It took me eighty years to get back to my world. I'm not ready to leave it yet, but thank you.
Jim:I understand that.
T.C.:It's really good to see you. Yeah. I I feel that. Yeah. Word, skibbity, skibbity toilet.
Jim:He he came it it's not, yeah, like, he came from a world that Zola actually did destroy.
T.C.:Mhmm. Is that,
Jim:does does Zara Tee like yeah. It it gives it gives Chris Evans more like, he showed up in the beginning. We get to see him at the end as captain and Mhmm. As a type of Captain America?
T.C.:Yeah. Yeah.
Jim:Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. Okay. Cool.
Jim:Resolved. Resolved.
T.C.:Okay. So if you wanna continue to hear Jim scratch his beard, you can do that. Other than that, we're gonna end it here. We will be back again to take on another one of your demands to challenge ourselves to improve the world of cinema. I'm TC.
Jim:And I am Jim.
T.C.:One of my favorite variants. And this is this is
Jim:this is
T.C.:how we do it. That's the end. That's the end right there, folks. Excelsior.
Jim:Excel there there you go. Enough said.