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Welcome to Energy 101 with Julie McLelland and Jacob Stiller. Join us on our mission to help raise the world's energy IQ.
0:00 Welcome back to Energy 101. We have Terrell here who has, he's in a very interesting just industry I've never really heard of or knew existed. You know, there's there seems to be some kind of
0:14 roots in the industry that's been going on for a little bit, but it's also kind of something that's more modern and up and coming. And I'm super excited to hear it because I've just learned about it.
0:26 So why don't you just go ahead and explain everything,
0:31 the overall theme, and you know, because Energy 101, dumb it down. You know, grandma's watching. She wants to learn about this. You know, let's let her know what it's like. Excellent.
0:40 Excellent. So I specialize in atmospheric water generation. And atmospheric water generation is not a new technology. It's been around since World War II. The Germans use it on their U-boats to
0:53 stay out in the water longer atmosphere, atmospheric water generation is basically making water from air. And so atmospheric water generation is probably in the industry where solar was in the year
1:08 2000. It's just taking off. People are getting the idea. There might be a few projects here and there, and full of those. And atmospheric water generation is probably a climate adaptive
1:20 resilience type solution for water.
1:25 Basically, there are about a dozen different companies that specialize in this from different sizes, from a backpack size to a large industrial scale size. So you can have something like a
1:37 refrigerator size unit. There's a couple of people here in Texas that run companies. One's called Hydrospark. I'm not sure how big their system is. There's another one called WIP International
1:48 from my friend, Tracy. It's like the size of a big stainless steel refrigerator. And you have Moses West down in San Antonio has a system called a. a company called AWG Contracting, and he sells
2:03 his systems that are on a truck that he sells to the military, and then you have industrial-scale size like us that build large-scale ISO container-based systems that are like plug-and-play systems
2:16 that put out about 2, 800 gallons of water a day, and we use those as a plug-and-play system where we can just add more machines like a Lego system.
2:25 Atmospheric water generation is very good for forward-operating bases or disaster recovery, emergency management. We just had a Texas flood. What happens with floods and the municipal water is that
2:39 it overburdens the municipal water because it's flushing all the stuff it picked up and overburdens the Swiss cheese of encrypted infrastructure that exists in the pipes. And so now you get sometimes
2:52 sewage, sometimes toxins from the debris field of the flood. And so What happens then they have. to have boil water notices. And that might be a good place to start where they can have emergency
3:04 backup drinking water for the people in distress.
3:09 There's a lot of applications. It could be a backup water solution for emergency management, and it can also be something that you use for a campus, specific hospitals. In America, we have a
3:25 policy where hospitals have redundant power, but they don't have redundant water. So when the power goes out during a disaster, they have to pump water with electricity to the hospital. And what
3:38 happens is they have these machines in the hospitals like dialysis and CPAPs and all these different machines that need high quality water that they don't have access to 'cause there's no electricity
3:46 to pump the water there. Same with the grocery stores. Grocery stores have a policy where if there's no electricity, they can't use water, they have to throw the produce out because you have to
3:56 spray produce in Texas every day. Otherwise, we get bugs, right? So I thought I've heard that that's a misconception and they just do it, they make it look wet and fresh. No, that's a law to
4:09 keep them fresh. Wow. Those
4:13 are a lot of things and they will grow if you just let things stay at room temperature in hot Texas. So there's a lot of things that grow. I mean, you've had biology in high school, right? When
4:24 you give it a glass of water, put a piece of grass and a piece of dirt in there And the next day, it's growing all these bugs in there. Same principle. So yeah, we need clean water. I'll trust
4:34 the water guy. Yeah, I am the water guy. So water is very misunderstood. The value of water is still too low. And we still don't really understand how it works.
4:49 We have a situation where we are basically trading good after bad. So we only know how to put chlorine in the municipal water to clean the bugs out, but we don't. I haven't figured out how to get
5:00 rid of the forever chemicals, PFAS. And so we have this relentless problem, then all of a sudden, okay, we're looking at acre feet of water for a municipal, we're making a lot of water, but
5:13 downstream, this manufacturing plant just dumped something in the water, it's not designed to get it out. And so we have 51 total contaminants in our water in Houston And half the country has
5:27 forever chemicals in their municipal water system. This is not hyperbole. This was just found out by the EPA that did a report two years ago, 45 municipal cities have forever chemicals like PFAS.
5:43 You've heard of the movie Dark Water or Aaron Brockovich, I think it was Chromium-6 in California. We have that in Houston. Great It's not moving meat out of it, but we have 51 total contaminants
5:57 in the water in Houston. Also, isn't it like 99 plus percent everyone has like forever chemicals in their body? We have forever chemicals in our body. We also have a credit card size of plastic in
6:11 our body from that. Pretty much everyone around the world. Yeah. 'Cause we drink from plastic bottles. There's a high confidence in bottled water and a very low confidence in tap water. And for a
6:20 very good reason. And that's because the system, in some cases the pipes are 100 years old and they're Swiss cheese. So you have a dust up or a storm, all that pollution commingles. So you run
6:36 into situations, but atmospheric water generation is not a panacea, but it's a very low cost solution for intermediate style help. And what I mean by that is we traditionally wanna use desalination
6:48 or ASR, which is basically a big hole in the ground where we make up our own aquifer. very expensive. Most small rural towns can't afford that. We get phone calls sometimes from small towns that
7:04 can't afford the treatment of the water system coming from the Colorado River to their system, because the Colorado River feeds their aquifer. So now we got in a situation where there's so many
7:18 toxins in the water that the treatment of the water is not sustainable for small towns. So what happens with atmospheric water generation? What comes off the machine is basically distilled raw water.
7:29 There's nothing in it, and we have to mineralize it for drinking to meet the drinking water standards, but it's pretty clean. You don't have to do the things like desalination that pollutes the
7:40 ocean. I don't know if you understand what desalination is, but basically they're taking the salt out of the sea. Sea water, right? But they have to do something with the brine, and what they
7:50 end up doing is dumping that salt back into the ocean, which kills the biodiversity of the ocean. Now, there's two things that create oxygen for humans. And that's trees and the ocean. And if you
8:04 start killing both of those things, you kill off some bees, we're not gonna be here that long. So we need trees and we need to clean ocean with a good biodiversity. That plankton creates oxygen
8:15 for us. If you kill the biodiversity of the ocean, you won't get oxygen. And they also trap carbon in the water. Definitely It's not only is it like deep in the water, but the plankton and the
8:29 algae on top traps, right? Just like when you want to do no-till farming to keep the carbon in the ground, I get really nervous when I drive from here down to Corpus and I see that miles and miles
8:43 of windmills with tilled up dirt. That's CO2 coming up because there's no grass. If you put grass down there and put some roots in the ground, it's going to stay in the ground So I think we do
8:55 something to ourselves.
8:57 how self-inflicted nonsense, you know, the acronym for sin. We do this to ourselves and we don't look at the long-term cost. There's a total cost of ownership when it comes to the things that we
9:09 do. And if we don't pay attention, we'll ruin the water. So I guess the easy way to put it is humans have used nature to create society away from nature, not realize that we need nature to survive.
9:22 So when you pollute the air, you pollute the earth And when you pollute the earth, you pollute the water table. The water table, the earth filters and structures of the water that we drink. You
9:35 ever notice an animal in the woods? They never drink from a pond that's not moving. They do in the movies?
9:43 Yeah. But
9:47 we're drinking dead water that's unstructured from plastic water bottles. So why is that important? I don't know, I think it told you earlier, we don't understand the water that much. but in our
9:59 bodies is what 80 water? Most people think that the heart pumps the blood all throughout the body, blood doesn't. There's an electron in the water in your blood that helps the heart move that blood
10:13 around. And when you drink unstructured water, you're losing something. So we get hypernatremia, we lose different minerals because we're not drinking proper water And their scientists are finding
10:28 out so many things about water has memory. So when Bill Gates tells you, oh, we're going to turn this poop into water, I'd run.
10:37 Water has memory. So when we have all these forever chemicals, we have cancer clusters. And you can look around America where there's cancer cluster, it's always the water. So I know I can go on
10:50 and on and be bano about it. But water's very important I think we have what, 1 of the.
10:57 Total groundwater is just drinkable for humans. And we have to do a better job of protecting it. So we won't poison ourselves. Wow. Let's talk about more about the actual industry first, which is,
11:11 you know, like maybe like walk me through what you literally do. What does like a site look like or a product look like? Sure. So in the case of, let's say the hydropanel from source, they have
11:20 a nice system that uses a hydropanel, solar panel, and it creates the energy and the condensate comes out as good for your home. I think it's an excellent technology. Our systems are different.
11:21 We have a 40 foot container based system that has these big giant variable fans that suck the air in. And when we suck that air in, it goes through a
11:47 HIPAA filtration bank, like a clean room And that air is ultra clean, and we freeze that to the optimal dew point.
11:58 which is just above freezing and the water falls off and to a tray on the bottom with a UV light and basically comes out the other end like distilled water or raw water.
12:10 And from there, we decide if it's going to industry where they need DI water for manufacturing or they need drinking water for mineralization. So there's non-mineralized water and mineralized water
12:20 for drinking. So it's a very simple process It's not very complex. It does actually sound simple. Like I pictured that in my head. There are some IP in there. We hold as corporate secrets to make
12:36 it more efficient, but at the end of the day, it's a large condensation, air conditioning type, air handling system. We're just making water instead of cooling the air. And instead of filtering
12:49 on the way out, like an air conditioner does, we're filtering on the way in. 'Cause we wanna take the condensate off and we want to optimize it. so we can get the most amount of water, like 80 of
12:59 the water molecule off of the air, and then we can use that water efficiently. It's very similar to rain harvesting, but you gotta wait for it to rain. Right. We can do this in Houston 247 every
13:13 day, 'cause I think Houston is 81 humidity year round. That's why our ground zero is Houston. That's why I'm wearing a shirt. Yeah, if you, I know if I don't know how to wear short sleeve shirt,
13:25 but we can get pretty good swampy air from Monterey, Mexico, all the way around to Miami if we fall within 100, 200 miles within inside the Gulf of Mexico. The southeast of the United States is
13:38 the most humid areas. So just like solar takes from the sun, we take from nature what nature provides and where we go where humidity is to get the most performance And so apps for your water
13:52 generation logic, you would think, oh, yeah, go to the desert. go to the mountains, but there's no humidity there. So we go where there's humidity. You know, who's great is islands. Islands
14:04 have, are surrounded by water. They have a nice hydrologic cycle.
14:11 My bad, my boss is in Maui right now, trying to drum up business. And islands are very exciting because they historically have to ship their water in if they don't have an aquifer. And we think
14:24 that's a great solution for islands, but in America, we have all these ports with cruise ships and tanker ships, and they require water. And they depend on desalination most of the time, and
14:35 that's sometimes not feasible. So we can actually create micro water stations or distributed water stations at the ports. A lot of people don't know that ports use water that much. Another one that
14:47 uses water that I didn't know about till AI told me is hotels and resorts. When I did a search for South Texas,
14:56 came up with the biggest water users. God. All the, think about it. Everybody's sheets get washed that night. Tows. Tows. Tows. Showers, saunas, pools. I
15:07 mean, they use a lot of water. I didn't, that was the last thing I was thinking. Oh yeah. As I was thinking about farmers, I think about, you know, manufacturing. But yeah, there's a lot of
15:17 applications for that. But atmospheric water generation is a great tool where we've been missing it 'Cause we've been trying to do the same technology for a hundred years, a municipal water system.
15:30 And I think because of all the pollution in the developed cities, we have to come up with some other technologies to diversify the water supply, if you will. So I think a good prudent city would be
15:45 smart to do rain, water harvesting, you know, all that water that washed out the sea in California, They had that big flood, but they didn't keep any of the water.
15:55 That doesn't end it because they have a law against rainwater harvesting. I think it's crazy because traditionally cities want to make money off of the water supply. It's a lobbying. Yeah, Oregon
16:07 has it, Washington has it. I mean, I don't know what California and Oregon for sure have it. It's a law can't use rain, can't harvest your own rot rain. But I think they're changing now because
16:20 we have drought situations. In fact, we have drought flood cycles now. So at least to what's going on here in Texas right now, I mentioned earlier that what happens when the flood happens, the
16:34 debris field pushes stuff into the municipal water. So we can help address the water supply issues when they have the boil water notices that are about to happen. And so there's going to be
16:48 situations where there's a drought and then there's a flood. And that's because of climate change. What happens with climate change, there's more water in the atmosphere. Eventually what goes up
16:59 has to come down. And whether it's cloud seeding or whether it's just a regular torrential rain, it's coming down. But what happens during the drought side, the ground is hard. And what happens
17:12 with the flash flood is the ground can't absorb the water that's coming down. So it just rolls over everything. And that's what you have with the flash flood So we can address the water challenges
17:25 on the aftermath of a disaster like that, but we can also have preventative maintenance in terms of that. But atmospheric water generation, all intensive purposes, the people that pollute the
17:37 water should be the ones that pay for it, right? So in my opinion, I think that the corporations that are coming to a new city should supply their own water. They should invest in atmospheric
17:49 water generation and not put so much pressure on the grid. and let the community have the clean drinking water, instead of a big industry that's making maybe some widget downstream pollute it. And
18:02 so even recycle as well, they should recycle water too, because they're the ones that use a lot of water for oil and gas, for manufacturing, semiconductor chips, ammonia factories, even the new
18:18 thing going on is hydrogen in Texas So they need to supply their own water instead of working on the municipal water that the citizens are using for clean drinking water. So that's
18:35 pretty much what I think the applications are. The way they work, and that happens for water, or where the traditional systems work, as we've had one horse shell, right? We have this old water
18:49 treatment facility, that we pipe it out to everybody's house and then. you might have old plumbing.
18:57 And technically you can use atmospheric water generations to recharge those old tanks that are sitting empty. Or the aquifers that they've made or the ASR, technically you can do that. You can
19:08 refill those and recharge those. If you look at Mexico City, that city's on top of an aquifer that's the city's sinking 'cause there's no more water in it. I don't know if you know the history of
19:18 Mexico City Mexico City was built on top of a lake. Smart. And it was a big aquifer underneath. But they've had all this time to fix it and they have it. So they can have a way to, 'cause it sits
19:33 around a mountain and you can't get the water over the mountain and get down underneath. So they haven't figured out a way to do that. But I think you can do that with atmospheric water generation
19:42 if it's part of your system. It's about application. And nobody wants to be first. They wanna be first to be second when it's a new technology, right?
19:54 I mean, you're solving an issue that everyone's been trying to solve forever. So I think like the salutation, how do you pronounce that word? De-salination. Salination. De-salination.
20:01 De-salination, yes. Everyone, I think the common layman's way to understand that is turning ocean water into drinkable water, right? Yes. And I think even most people understand the reason that
20:13 why, you know, why aren't we doing that is 'cause it's just like crazy expensive. Well, there's two reasons I think. First of all, I'm not against de-salination. I think in certain instances
20:21 we're gonna need it We're gonna need to bring all the tools of de-salination, rainwater harvesting and atmospheric water generation together 'cause our water problem is so extreme. A big three. I
20:32 think they need to all, they're all addressable and they should synergistically work together. And so I think there's a big issue with water supply. And I think atmospheric water generation fits in
20:45 there. The problem with de-salination is it's a very expensive thing. They know that it hurts the ocean, So there's always a feasibility study at Mike. take years. It's, it's a very expensive
20:56 project, but it puts out a lot of water, right? And so there's a, you got to have to check off what's more important to you. If you're in this drought situation like Texas, in certain places,
21:08 you're going to probably need desalination. And you might want to
21:12 diversify that with some atmospheric water generation and some rain water capture, because we do have rain and Houston, right? So I think bringing all that together, we'll keep everybody high and
21:24 tight in water. I think they should work together. There are some environmental issues that happen with desalination, but they're getting better and better at the technology. But I think
21:38 introducing a clean solution like atmospheric water generation helps it along the way. Yeah. So another thing is like, we're focusing on drinking water, but there's two ways to look at this.
21:49 There's, what about other water that's used for, you know, other purposes? So we have a big waste in Texas, especially. We have a big waste water in recycling and reuse program. When it comes
22:02 to fracking, comes to oil drilling, we reuse a lot of water. There's a lot of ticker trucks crisscrossing in the state. Right. And so I think reuse is very important for certain applications. I
22:16 think recycling especially, like we think we can use atmospheric water generation as a single source for the data centers that are being built for AI. Right now there's an abundance of AI money
22:28 going around for these new data centers, especially for AI as well as quantum computing. They require a lot of water. The nice thing about data centers is that they create a lot of heat that could
22:40 be converted to electricity that could power the atmospheric water generation machines. They also need the water to cool the system down. Right. Every time you do an AI prompt, that's a bottle of
22:51 water. So - Don't tell anyone that. No, that's facts. I didn't come up with that number. Some other smarter guy than me, but we're building a lot of data centers and we're not taking into, they
23:04 think it's gonna be, the energy's gonna be the bottleneck. It's gonna be the water. And they're putting these places in deserts where there's no water. So I think there's gonna be a come
23:16 to Jesus moment where they're gonna say, okay, we can't build all these data centers 'cause we don't have enough water In the state of Texas, they turn down about 80 of the companies wanting to
23:26 come here 'cause they'll need anywhere from a 3000 gallons to 300, 000 gallons of water. Yeah, so there was just a big one that was declined in like Memphis. They were trying to like go into like
23:36 the Appalachian area and they're starting to like, yeah, smell the bullshit or see the problem. They can go back in history and look at the data centers that Google built and see what happened to
23:45 the city. Right. And their water supply I'll tell you in west of San Antonio, I won't say where. they have a city with 8, 000 people, but they have a Texas prison there. They use 500, 000
24:01 gallons a day. I said, Why am I talking to you the city? You should get this Texas state prison to talk to me because there you should pay for it. It's a state-run organization, which you're
24:13 trying to, you know, cities try to sell their water. And so it's a revenue generator. So that's another thing, politics. Water is very political. You got these little municipalities diverting
24:24 this water supply from one stream to the next, and you got people selling water and tanker trucks across crisscross. It's, when you dig into it, cities are ruthless because it's their revenue
24:36 generator, just like electricity is. And so whoever's in charge of that water supply, you know, it really depends on what's happening. And sometimes it's not in your best interest, it's
24:47 somebody's interest, but it's not in your best interest as
24:50 a citizen. And so, um, I think we'll be able to outlast those issues. They do persist though. West Texas is a prime example. They've had major problems with toxicity in their water for years.
25:06 You won't hear about it on the national news, but people that live there know. So it's, we've had the lawyers of cities tell us, oh, you can't say that. In City Hall, we have legal water And
25:23 that's a real thing, so. Oh boy. Yeah, so it's a,
25:28 I'm energized by this situation, because I see that we need water really bad. And what keeps me going is not all the bad things. What keeps me going is that I know I can solve problems with
25:40 atmospheric water. I'm providing clean water with little discharge and a little bit of electricity. And I can work synergistically with people that are building new projects. and building anything
25:53 you want to build as
25:56 far as new businesses, new construction, it always requires water. Well, they can have their own micro water station, right there, supplying your own water and not worry about burdening the
26:06 local municipal. And so that's where I see the benefit. I think there's a lot of application that's overlooked and people really know they need it 'cause they only know one way how they get their
26:18 water. They go to the faucet, you don't even think about it. So much behind that faucet That they need to think about. I mean, something I was trying to articulate earlier is that
26:29 we want, you're trying to make drinking water. I would think on paper, it's easier to just kind of get the water and then the water is undrinkable at first. And then it gets more expensive to
26:40 clean it up. But like, is there a use for that first stage water? Yeah, so dirty, frackish water can be used in industries, especially when you're drilling holes in the ground you know,
26:52 fracking for oil or doing certain things like that. There's a lot of reuse that you can use. You can use it to cool things down. You can use it for agriculture as long as it's not toxic. There's a
27:06 lot of uses for water reuse and recycle
27:13 water. And they have a lot of businesses doing that. It's not cheap though, it's expensive. It's more expensive than getting drinking water Well, you got to treat that water a certain way. They
27:24 all need to be treated in some kind of way. Yeah, so I'll give an example. If I'm manufacturing cement conductor chips, I need ultra clean water or DI water. That's very expensive. Like if you
27:34 do biotech firms, they need super clean water. They'll pay eight to12 a gallon for it. So it's expensive.
27:45 Processing water is a large industrial endeavor,
27:51 There's so many things attacking the water, and we have to be able to use it for what we needed to get done. You missed a very good thing. We have a lot of reuse issues that we can address, and I
28:04 think they're doing a very good job at doing that. I think the disconnect is where we drop the ball on drinking water, because the concept of drinking water is we don't want any organisms in the
28:16 water, so we just throw chlorine at it We completely forget about the forever chemicals that chlorine is not going to remove. In fact, it's just going to be another toxic chemical on top of the
28:28 chlorine, and so that has been the overripe. Now, I mean, there's a couple of companies saying, Oh, we can get rid of the PFAS and the water, but you pretty much destroy the water to get it out.
28:40 Is it drinkable? Probably not. There's going to be some more structuring and more conditioning and more treatment We
28:48 have to figure out a way to be more. I guess,
28:53 more productive and more efficient at how we treat the water. Right. I mean, let's get back into the black pill content that I'm here for.
29:05 'Cause, I mean, you're out here doing the work, but the system is still completely screwed. Oh, wow. And the main system, I mean, you barely talked about it a bit. Isn't agriculture the
29:17 biggest use of water?
29:20 Yes. And I mean, what if it's above ground? So in some places, it evaporates. So they're trying to do subsurface irrigation, but sometimes the subsurface is underneath the root system and water
29:33 goes down, it misses the roots. So there's so many things about how this process works. But we've been doing something one thing, but we're getting smarter about farming. Farming is becoming
29:45 smarter. So there's some, I mean, Dr. Dinger at Texas AM
29:50 new subsurface irrigation project. And it's supposed to be very good for farming. And so I'm very excited to try to work with him and put an atmospheric water generator with a subsurface irrigation
30:01 project.
30:03 But it's very complex. And so as long as we start to get more, there's a drip system as well. That drip system is very good. And so we're getting smarter about it
30:17 But the Minnesota border hasn't changed. There are some chlorine on it. That hasn't changed much. Now they're not to say that they're not trying to change in places that have a lot of money to
30:28 change it. There's not a lot of budget for it. If the budget has not broke, they don't fix it, right? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, look at the problem with Flint, Michigan. That
30:39 was a maintenance issue. And Jackson, that was a maintenance issue too. They just didn't want to pay
30:47 the maintenance They keep up with the maintenance,
30:51 That being said, they don't have money for upgrading that system. They just have money for maintenance and repairs. And they don't even have that money. They wanna keep it as low cost 'cause who's
31:02 paying for it? City Council, the mayor, city council, they're voting on what they're gonna pay for. And they're not water engineers. They're just trying to keep everybody happy. And hopefully
31:13 that it rains and feels of their aquifer, right? That there's not a considered effort. If you look at America, there's not a federal water agency. The EPA was supposed to protect the water. In
31:27 their name, it says environmental protection agency, but in the '70s, they knew exactly who was dumping in the water. And they said, oh, the water treatment facility downriver will take care of
31:36 it. This never happened. And we never, we always reward bad behavior. We never make the people that polluted the water pay for the best that they made Except 3M, California made 3M pay. DuPont
31:51 pay in the state of California, but nationwide, nothing. So we have a disconnect with water. We don't have an agency for water, which is crazy. If you really think about it, the one thing that
32:04 keeps us alive other than the air is water. And there's not a federal agency and oversight of drinking water. So we have to do a better job and understand what we don't price it right. It's cheap.
32:19 It's too cheap Yeah, it's a high cost to having cheap water. You got to treat it. You got to supply it. And it's not enough. So even the finance markets have no idea how to evaluate money to make
32:33 a water fund because they don't know how to price it. But someone's going to have to do that hard work soon. Because we know now we have very limited water we can stay alive with, right? Clocks
32:45 taken. Yeah. So who do you think is the biggest offender? maybe on. not the large scale, maybe like in the last years or decades and maybe like what's coming coming. Who is like the biggest
32:58 offender of water wastage? Water wastage? Or contaminating. Who's gonna make your job busier and
33:05 harder? Who's gonna make my job harder?
33:09 First of all, I don't think my job's gonna be harder 'cause I'm creating clean water and everybody needs it. So that's not a problem for us. The problem is in the mind They've never seen it before.
33:21 It hasn't been done before. The technology's been built, but nobody's putting it in a large scale project. It doesn't exist. There's a couple of projects here and there, maybe handful. And
33:31 there's some case studies you can go and look at 'em, but it's not, you just learned about atmosphere of water generation today. It's still unknown. So until it becomes a household name,
33:42 people like me will be talking about it in the other companies. And so it's, we're at the beginning stages dynamic because we're creating water that people need from a new source, unless they
33:54 decide to tax the air. So there, there's no downside on that aspect. But who's the biggest polluters? There's a Vimmeriad, you can say it's the car pollution, you can say it's oil and gas, you
34:06 can say it's all the, you know, fossil fuels, you can say, you know, all the smokestacks that create the particles in the air, it could be the manufacturing. They're all together pretty bad,
34:17 because they all end up in the same place. All air pollution ends up on the ground, and all ground pollution ends up in the water table. I don't want to cosplay them on all industries, but I think
34:28 that if you broke it, you should fix it, right?
34:33 I think they should, I think we stop giving them subsidies and make them pay for the mess that it made, right? That's the way it should be. We'd solve the water problem right then, because then
34:42 everybody would be like, okay, we need to make this more efficient. We're not there yet. And it's until then. Faucet turns off. Nobody's really worried about it. Right. Unless you tell them
34:52 what's in that water. And then they go, Oh, no, no, no. I'm getting the filter when I get home. Exactly. So that's where we're at. I think the industry's ready for that to be, we have to
35:06 really value water properly. And we have to value the ocean. We dump everything in it. Every ship that goes out dumps their sewage in the ocean Every ship, military ships, cargo ships, and all
35:20 these cruise ships. And the cruise, I mean, look at all the power and energy used on a cruise ship to go out the water and just go in a circle for a couple of days and come back.
35:30 Exactly. And then they dump all that sewage in the ocean. Don't like that part. Yeah, so, yeah, water is important for us. 80 of our bodies water. We used to have to respect it, price it
35:42 right, take care of it right. Cool So as we wrap it up, I mean. Why now? Why is this industry taking off? I just talked about this in another episode with our good friend, John. We got chat at
35:56 GBT and LLM's growing. That's all taken off around a 2017 point because of the processing power of computing. That is literally 10xed, so this industry now exists. So why does your industry now
36:11 exist as only as the last few years? Well, see, we started in 2016 and people wanted to talk to us spot check here and there two years ago, something unique happened. Part of that was Flint,
36:23 Michigan. Part of that was Camp Lejeune with all the toxic water in Camp Lejeune, the military base. So you had Flint happen, that became national news. You had Camp Lejeune with the people
36:34 getting cancer from the toxic water that was on that base. Where was this? Camp Lejeune is a Marine Corps base, and I don't know what Camp Lejeune is, North Carolina. Okay Flint, Michigan.
36:45 Everyone knows. at the same time around November, two years ago, 2023, 2022, we had a worldwide drought in every river system, the Yangt's River, the Mississippi River, the Rhine River, all
36:60 of those rivers were in drought condition, and one of the river in France was so dangerous that it was supposed to cool the nuclear power plant, and no one paid attention. This is how crazy climate
37:11 change is. We had this major drought, and then two months later, we had a flood.
37:17 There was that drought flood cycle. It was right there in real time, and so all of a sudden, we became very popular. Nobody wanted to talk to me about water in 2021, and investors would say, oh,
37:31 the GDP of water is like 0004, right? There's something crazy, but every industry needs it. Nobody wanted to talk about it. Now, you have billionaires buying up all the aquifers, and you get
37:43 people interested with it. Still haven't figured out how to price it yet. But now they're interested in it. So a couple of pivotal things happened. And I think that got more attention. Bill Gates
37:55 put150 million into zero mass water, him and Duke Energy and Breakaway Technologies. And that was exciting. And then it kind of died down. But then we had this drought, we had Flint. And we had
38:09 Jackson and we had Selma. They all had water problems and they had Camp Lejeune So now it's important, that's kind of what happened. And now we think it's gonna hockey stick like bottled water is.
38:24 You don't notice about bottled water like 10 years ago. You said like one section in the bottled water, you got a whole aisle. You got pallets stacked up at the front door when you're going to
38:34 supermarket now. Different hockey. Different hockey. It's different hockey. Yes. There's like, there's influencers on TikTok and Instagram That's a scam, by the way. It's like water, they're
38:45 just like, ooh, this is fancy, like this is, don't drink this, this is cheap, it's like, there's all that. You know, alkaline water is not good to drink when you're eating. Oh, why's that?
38:54 You need the acid in your stomach to break the food down. So now you're not digesting food properly 'cause you have alkaline in your system. Right, it's like - You have to drink that in between
39:02 meals. A lot of people don't know this, but the hype cycle on that is so huge. I mean, I was doing it. I was like, yeah, I got the alkaline, man, that's the best. Yeah, you want the
39:11 minerals, even with cooking But now we've got calcium and all that. But now we're finding out that some of that is a scam. The best water that you think is the best waters are the terrible water.
39:21 Get you some smart water, it's economically viable. If you get Fiji or Vos or what's that, Avion?
39:30 They score very low. Oh, yeah? They just got nice bottles. Good marketing. You want to get the best waters out of Hawaii with a, okay, it starts with a W.
39:42 The most economical to me is smart water. That's what you saw in my bottle here. Bring in the house if I don't have clean water. All right, gotta get that vitamin water sponsor.
39:52 When they're vitamin water at money. Yeah.
39:56 All right, I mean, that pretty much wraps it up. Why don't we end it with something kind of fun. I want to talk about this water stuff, water bottles. Yes. I'm a water bottle hater. Yes. I
40:06 just moved into a new place here in Houston and the tap water tastes great And I, you can ignore that. This is zip code.
40:16 And they're, you know, I travel or lived in different places and the tap water always tastes like weird, good, undrinkable, like egg, you know. Yes. And then there's like water bottles and the
40:31 water filters even don't work. I mean, I'm kind of, it's like something I actually kind of pay attention to, I guess. What is like, what is your like consumer tips? like you just kind of gave
40:40 about that. For me, I live in an apartment downtown Houston. I don't trust the tap water. In fact, I have filters on my showers. Charcoal. I don't think it's doing anything, but it makes you
40:51 feel better that I have them because I know what's in the water in Houston. 51 total contaminants, 14 of them are above the health guidelines. So I'm a little water Nazi when it comes to what I do
41:03 in water. So this sounds crazy, but I buy cases of these and I also buy those distilled water from HEP. and for the babies, the case of three for like 368 for yourself. It's the cheapest. And
41:17 what I do is I put it in my water drop filter on my kitchen cabinet, go through a charcoal filter comes out, and I throw Himalayan sea salt in there. Love that. And I drink that, and I wash my
41:29 hands with that. And I wash my face with that. And everything else has to get polluted with the tap water Right. So the shower head, that's like a, it's like a charcoal filter, right? Yeah,
41:41 you can get a charcoal type filter for your shower head. You gotta change about every year or whatever the temperature is. Yeah, I like those 'cause like you use charcoal soap or body whatever,
41:52 like you could feel it on your skin. Like it feels better. Have you ever seen that trick with a chlorine in your finger, in the cup? The same principle when you test the chlorine water for your
42:02 pull. When you put your finger in the water of chlorine water and you test it before and you see the chlorine and you put your hand in it and take it out, chlorine's gone, it absorbed it in your
42:13 body. Whatever it touches, it gets inside your body. Your whole organ is your skin and it's just gonna go right in. So those 51 toxins when you shower in Houston, they go in your body. All right.
42:26 So get a shower filter and knock some of that down. Okay, staying on this topic, but one more question. What are like some little gadgets in tech you know, like the charcoal filter, things like
42:43 that. 'Cause I literally want to know some right now. So if you go on Amazon, the most expensive one is a Berkey. I have a knock-off Berkey from Water Drip. It's half the price. It's like200.
42:54 The
42:56 Berkey's400 is exactly the same. The stainless steel canister sits up in its gravity. You pour two and a half, a one and a half gallons on top. It filters down a little spigot. That's what I give
43:07 my water for drinking I'm gonna get one of those. I'm gonna tell my mom, stop drinking that tap. I'm gonna catch her when she does it. Yeah, me too. So, yeah, that's what I do at home.
43:18 I'm more concerned about EMF in my apartment. 'Cause I have a smart meter that came with my apartment. And then I have the Wi-Fi. So I have a Faraday cage around my router. Yeah, there's more
43:32 pollution in EMF in your apartment than there is, so you got the dirty water than you got the EMF. All these electronic devices.
43:41 Next time. What exactly is that? Electromagnetic radiation EMF? Oh, that is bad for you. Gives you,
43:52 it gets you,
43:54 I don't have to say it. I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I didn't put my red lens glasses on the cover of the blue light, but I also get inflammation by being next to free range electricity.
44:06 Even when that lamp is off, it's gonna read 200 within two feet of it Okay. So you're getting all this electromagnetic radiation. You stay in here for a couple of hours, this machine's on. You're
44:18 gonna feel drained by the end of the day. So you're gonna have to take your feet off or take your shoes off and put them on the ground and ground yourself because you've had all this charge going in
44:27 your body. Especially you get in the EV, especially you get on off a plane. You just, you've been rounding that engine's been wrapped, this electricity, it's gonna cause inflammation. So we're
44:38 bombarded with this everywhere we go. any kind of gadget with a life, or I'm sort of plugged into the wall. And I have a reader, I didn't really understand that until I got a meter, a little
44:51 handheld meter, put a hundred bucks, just put it next to it and read it. It turns red, you're like, Oh, my God. So I have my lamps on my couch. I make sure I'm like two feet away in the middle
45:02 of my couch, away from them. Even when the lamp is off, it's still re-adient. Right. You know, most people know that. Now, yeah, you're the man who knows too much. Yeah, it's scary. I know
45:14 you're that's it. I've been saying this a lot better recognition. Sometimes I get a little carried away. But I think I think it's valid. I think the numbers don't lie. Yeah. If you know what
45:24 they are, you can do something about it. Right. All right. Well, do me a favor and stop stop researching, stop looking into things. I don't have the research. It's all around us. I pretty
45:34 much everything in this world is screwed up. So just you got to I want to keep people alive with the water. That's the first thing. Good. You know, next thing is the bees, next thing is the
45:43 trees. I mean, I gotta pick your battle and try to focus on it. Yeah. Well, cool. I think you have a really smart, realistic, holistic, like, you know, knowledge that you apply yourself and
45:57 do for work. I think it's really cool. I think it's a nice mix. I'm excited about what I do. I think, I think this, if you had a mission, I think helping people get water where they can't get
46:06 it is important to try to do it All right, well Terrell, thanks for coming on. Pleasure being here, thanks for having me.