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A pop culture, beauty, Film and TV podcast for people who are passionate about all the things you and your besties are discussing in the group chat!
Welcome back to the pretty passionate podcast. I'm your host, doctor Ruth. Joining me today is my bestie, Jennifer. Say hi to you. Hello.
Dr. Ruth:Hello, people. This is the person I was telling you about that I literally spend my whole forty minute commute just about on in the car talking about love is blind and, like, debating all these couples. So I was like, you know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna bring that to the mic and have this debate on one of the best episodes I've seen in a long time, episode 12. Today, we are discussing the weddings.
Dr. Ruth:There were only three, so we don't have to worry about this taking too long. In the past, I think it's been, like, six, seven, something like that.
Jenny:Like Yes. There's been a lot.
Dr. Ruth:Bunch. And they've had to split it between, you know, episodes.
Jenny:Episodes. Right.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. So I I like that it's down to three. I like that the the crappy couples kinda fell to the wayside before that. You know?
Jenny:I've never seen so many leave in my life. Like It's like I'm just I'm like, they didn't vet these out very well. I don't know.
Dr. Ruth:I'm these people were like, what I'm not here for is going through the tux with my family and then going to the wedding ceremony and disappointing everyone. It's a horrible thing to do even if everybody in your life is primed for it and knows, like, okay. There's a chance that someone might not say yes. It's still a little traumatic.
Jenny:Like I feel like this is more realistic, though. Like, this is what would really happen.
Dr. Ruth:I think so as well. I think so. That's why I like it so much better. Because in the past, they've had people break up at the altar, which I was like, oh, stop this. That's so
Speaker 3:If I was a family member, oh my god.
Jenny:I'm flipping tables. I am flipping every table. I'm throwing flowers. There is no way that you have me dressed up.
Speaker 3:Right.
Dr. Ruth:And coming out here and I'm like and some of these family members come from out of town. Right? Like, they're not old.
Jenny:They they fly. For you to say older? Like, no.
Dr. Ruth:And a lot of the people know they were gonna say no before they get to the altar. That's where I'm like, oh.
Jenny:Talk about it. Yeah. Talk about it.
Dr. Ruth:So they spared us that, but I want do they get to eat the food? Like, there's
Jenny:I don't ever even see the food. Like, yeah. Dude, I better I better be able to eat some food if I come all the way out there. They're just gonna starve. You're just gonna starve and just run across grass like miles and then not eat?
Jenny:Where does all the food go?
Dr. Ruth:I mean, have you ever seen like, you know when they show the wedding montage? Have we ever seen food at the weddings? Is it like a is it a full service menu, or are they just passing hors d'oeuvres and getting a couple of shots of the couple dancing?
Jenny:That's a really good question. You know what? I don't think I've ever actually seen food.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Like, see them sitting at the table cutting into, like, a chicken sala. I've never seen it.
Jenny:No. Have we even ever seen drinks?
Dr. Ruth:Besides what's in those stupid gold cups? No.
Jenny:What's in those cups? What is in those cups?
Dr. Ruth:Last week, I was like, somebody please tell me. I know I could I'm sure I could find it on Reddit. Right? I'm sure there's a Redditor who's given a thesis on this, but I'm just like, what is why the cups? Why do they follow them everywhere with the cups?
Jenny:I don't know, but I kinda want those cups. I don't know why.
Dr. Ruth:I do, but then I was like, then you would be a weirdo who has the love is blind cups. And I'm not okay with that. You know? Because I feel like anybody who's seen the show would be like, girl.
Jenny:You know?
Dr. Ruth:With these stupid cups. But, you know, if I see them at your house, I won't. I
Jenny:You won't see them at my house.
Dr. Ruth:You won't. Anything. I won't say anything. They're cute, but I do wonder why they have to have them like, even when they go to restaurants this season.
Jenny:That must be their number one sponsor. Whoever makes those cups is the number one sponsor. That's what it is. It has to be.
Dr. Ruth:Yes. But they never said who it is, so they can't let us, like, go support the sponsor. Like, it's weird.
Jenny:No. Because they'll say what it is because what we'll do is we'll go Google it, and then it'll tell us what where those cups are from. And then everybody's just gonna be like, oh my god. I found out the cups. Yeah.
Jenny:And they're gonna buy the cups. They're gonna buy these stupid cups.
Dr. Ruth:I feel like they're from Wayfair, just like all the furniture inside
Jenny:of Wayfair. They're They're all they're definitely on Amazon. So Somewhere. There's that. I bet you they're Target cups.
Dr. Ruth:I'm gonna do my reunion episode with some gold cups. Alright.
Jenny:We should. Right?
Dr. Ruth:Let's get into it. Target. All over the place. We'll start. Okay.
Dr. Ruth:I always like to go couple by couple because that's the only logical way to do this.
Jenny:Who are we starting first?
Dr. Ruth:We're gonna start with the first couple to go to the altar, which was Allie and Anton. Okay. Tell me what your thoughts were on them going into the wedding.
Jenny:I knew she was not going to say yes because I did because think about it, once they hit the apartment and they were living together, she was just watching his every move and she was counting how many shots he had, how many beers he drank, how many bottles of alcohol. When his friend came over, she was not happy with like anything. And I don't think also that he had the lifestyle that she really thought she wanted.
Dr. Ruth:For sure. I think that was huge for her.
Jenny:Yeah. Right. Especially, okay, so he works overnight and then when he walks in, he has a beer or two. But see for him, that's his, that's his nighttime. That's his little nightcap.
Jenny:He's had a long day. He's just trying to relax. And she painted him as this alcoholic. Yeah. Had this, right.
Jenny:That had this uncontrollable issue
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:Which I don't think that was fair.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. I don't think it was fair only because, you know, you you you mentioned this too before, like, we've never seen him sloshed. Right. You know, we've seen plenty of people like that guy, Joe.
Jenny:Oh, Joey. Oh, Joey. Oh my gosh.
Dr. Ruth:Three sheets to the wind. We've never seen that from Anton. So I think that's true, and I think it's an unfair characterization of his drinking for us. I mean, maybe it's true. Maybe he's maybe it's even worse than what we saw on camera, and maybe we'll find out more.
Dr. Ruth:But, yeah, the only thing that raised a tiny itty bitty, like, pink flag for me was when she was asking him where that tequila went. They had half a bottle or whatever it was of tequila, and he was just like, tequila what? What tequila? I didn't know. I don't know.
Dr. Ruth:I didn't
Jenny:You drank the tequila. He was like, you drank it.
Dr. Ruth:And she was like, sir, I couldn't tell if he was being passive aggressive or, like, he got he drinks so much, so much he can't even tell you how often he how much he drinks.
Jenny:I think he was annoyed. Think that he was just shutting her off and shutting her down. He was at that point like, what reason have I given you to think that I'm this alcoholic who needs a high drinking? He's like, I like to have a couple of drinks. And truly we've seen other people completely trashed.
Jenny:But we have not seen him slur his words, we have not seen him trip, we have not seen him make obnoxious jokes, raise his voice, treat her any differently. So I feel like she was attacking him. And then also changing up a little bit. Remember when he was like, Well, do you actually come home and like clean up after yourself? And she's like, Yes.
Dr. Ruth:And I
Jenny:was like, oh.
Dr. Ruth:And she was on her Cardi B. She was like, I don't cook. I don't clean. Like, I
Jenny:Let me tell you about this dream.
Dr. Ruth:Okay.
Jenny:And her dream was shattered because that was ridiculous. I think she wanted a man that was going to just put her on this pedestal. She was just gonna be this princess. She was gonna have just money flying from the sky, and she wasn't gonna have to do anything.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. She better be careful what she wishes for though because people like that, they learn the hard way. You know, I hate to say it because she's a nurse, so there's gotta be some compassion in there. But I'm like, maybe she her judgment is just being clouded by her life experiences and the fact that she is stunning. There is no denying.
Dr. Ruth:The girl is beautiful. And, yeah, I think she's confusing herself on what she really needs moving forward. Because he even said that he had a real estate company that he was getting off the ground, and he sounded kind of, you know, future minded. You know? He didn't sound like a guy who was just like, well, that's what I do.
Dr. Ruth:I drive trucks, I don't care. And and there is nothing wrong with being a guy who says, I drive trucks, and I enjoy it, and I'm gonna do it till I retire. So, yeah, I feel like they she knew that about him. The truck driving thing was not a surprise. She knew that about him in the pods before she accepted, and it was very lame of her.
Dr. Ruth:Remember that the bachelor party, her friend was, like, ragging on what he does?
Jenny:Yes. And that is another portion of the the show where I thought, you know what? She has an expectation, and it is not he's not meeting that expectation. That's why I think that she wants money flying from the sky. She wanted a money bag to grab.
Jenny:I don't think she wanted to be a nurse full time because when they talked about kids, she said that she had certain roles. True. So those were the little red flags that popped up for me, whereas he was saying all of the right things. I truly believe that he was really caring and talking about how if she wants to go to nursing school, how he would be the one to be the provider. He never sighed away from that.
Jenny:But again, yes, she's stunning. But you heard what her mother said or that she was older and that something may have been wrong that she should have been married a long time ago because
Dr. Ruth:According to their culture, right? According
Jenny:to her culture, was way past the time that she would have been, I would say sought after in her culture.
Dr. Ruth:So that explains a lot actually.
Jenny:A 100%.
Dr. Ruth:In her thirties, maybe she's like past her prime in Brazil. So now she's branching out, but she's also being really picky. So I think this is definitely a case of her being she reveals something, like I said, unseen footage of him just being a belligerent drunk and scaring her with his drinking, like and she said something about his eating too that he eats unhealthy. And they kept I was like, can the producers leave him alone? Because they kept showing him snacking.
Dr. Ruth:Did
Speaker 3:you see when he was it was at the lunch. I think
Jenny:it was lunch. Well, one, why did it take her so long to open that Miracle Whip? She was just pulling a sandwich out of like a women's box. And you would have thought that she had prepared the sandwich. And she gave him this sandwich and it looked like it was on a croissant.
Jenny:So why did it sound so crunchy? I don't think they had so many crumbs. Hovering over his food? Yeah. He was hovering to eat the sandwich.
Jenny:He was like keeled over. Yeah. I just thought that was really funny. Either that sandwich was really, really good or he was starving to death.
Dr. Ruth:He was hungry. She was not feeding him enough. She was like, you eat
Jenny:the and she said, there's more over there, hon.
Dr. Ruth:There's more. I do remember that. I do remember that. And I was like, he doesn't eat right? I guess I didn't see well, they didn't show us, like, this guy at 2AM just
Jenny:eating a
Dr. Ruth:whole bag of flaming hot Cheetos or something. You know what I mean? So Right. Yeah. I just think she was looking for things, but, ultimately, it was probably the money because she she talked about the ring not being expensive enough.
Dr. Ruth:You know? She talked about him be definitely wanting to be a stay at home wife, getting her Botox and fillers done regularly.
Jenny:Yes. He said we have to think about that. We'll have to budget.
Dr. Ruth:And I was like, what do you have to budget? She's been paying for this, like, this whole time. What do you have to budget now? Like, you know what I mean? I was like Right.
Dr. Ruth:I was on her side. I was like, she came into this with this stuff happening already, So she doesn't have to budget anything. This is already part of her life. Part of what makes her so attractive to you is the stuff she's been doing.
Jenny:You know what? I think that that could be part of the issue, right? They have these beautiful women and you put them up on a pedestal, but then when you start peeling back the layers and you realize like you peeled back one layer and that's it. Then it becomes the problem, right? Because she's beautiful.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:But she's she's admitted. She's a slob. Not gonna clean up after herself.
Dr. Ruth:Insane. Because I was like, ew, you're gonna be in a house with this broad and, like, she's just gonna get undressed and drop her hospital scrubs on the floor and, like
Jenny:That part. That part right there.
Dr. Ruth:Like, what are we talking about? Why are you not cleaning up? She's like, yeah. I don't clean and literally did not indicate that she plans to change her ways. She was like, no.
Dr. Ruth:I don't clean up after myself.
Jenny:So who's supposed to pick that up? Him?
Dr. Ruth:Well, she doesn't have a maid. I didn't hear her talk about, you know, she has live in hell who's cleaning up
Jenny:after Exactly.
Dr. Ruth:So you're right that I think there is an element of her beauty is, like, almost her own worst enemy where she's got these expectations of what she's supposed to be treated like, and maybe she'll get there. You know? Maybe she'll just find the right guy of a certain age, a certain tax bracket who is just looking for a piece of arm candy. Right. Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:And she'll get everything that comes along with that too.
Jenny:Exactly. Because truly, what does she bring to the table?
Dr. Ruth:She's a nurse.
Jenny:She's going to school for a nurse, isn't she?
Dr. Ruth:No. She's working as a nurse right now.
Jenny:Oh, she is a nurse. Okay.
Dr. Ruth:She is a nurse. So I'll give her that. She's gainfully employed and she's able to work anywhere. She's on a travel assignment, I think she said, in Denver.
Jenny:That's right. She's a traveling nurse.
Dr. Ruth:Mhmm. Mhmm. So she got that, and she wants to go back to school, I guess, to get her, like, doctorate, her NP or something like that. And she wants to have kids. So there is
Jenny:But then she wants to be a stay at home mom. So then she's gonna give all of that away. So what are we doing here?
Dr. Ruth:It didn't I guess that's like, you know, both things are gonna happen. Like, she's gonna have the kids stay at home for a little while and then eventually go back to school. And either way, it seems like the point is the earning is gonna be on the man. Right. Because we
Jenny:both And she's going to just take care of the children, but she doesn't cook. So she's not gonna take care of the house all the way. So she's not truly gonna play those roles.
Dr. Ruth:Also that, because if you're gonna tell me you don't cook or clean, now we have to what, pay somebody to cook and clean? And so you don't work. So what you doing during the day?
Jenny:That's what I mean. What are you gonna bring to the table? There's supposed that one peel.
Dr. Ruth:She's gonna be after the kids. That's literally gonna be her thing. She's whatever whoever whatever man she marries, get ready to come home to a sink full of dishes, a basket full of laundry, just clothes everywhere, just ugh. Ew. Yeah.
Jenny:Ew. Is it? What did they say? That gives me the ick?
Dr. Ruth:It gives me the
Jenny:Yeah. It totally should have given him the
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. I I wonder. I wanna hear his thoughts on this because I think he's gonna have more to say at the reunion about how she treated him a little bit.
Jenny:He's so calm and nice. I feel like gentleman. Yeah. He he was. And we'll see what happens at this reunion because I feel like there's a lot that is not being said.
Dr. Ruth:Oh, yes. And that couple too. They got engaged quick. So I think like they're just they they we didn't get enough time to uncover some of the the crazy or something. You know?
Dr. Ruth:I loved his mom. I feel so bad for her that things didn't work out for her baby boy.
Jenny:Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:You know? Felt That
Jenny:was sad.
Dr. Ruth:I felt bad for her. Yeah. Because she seemed to really be open to Allie, and she just threw the whole thing away.
Jenny:But Ally's friends were just us.
Dr. Ruth:Ew. Right? I was like, are and you guys they said they're both getting divorced.
Jenny:Right. And I can see why.
Dr. Ruth:And I was like, and I can see exactly why.
Jenny:Exactly. So those might not be the ones that you want to take any advice from.
Dr. Ruth:Girls, preach it from the mountaintops. You cannot be taking marriage advice from single people or divorcing people. Like Or unhappy people. Unhappily unhappily married. That's why I said divorcing people.
Dr. Ruth:Because someone, you know, years after their divorce, after they've healed, they may have insights that are very valuable for you. Right? And say, like, yeah, this is what we screwed up in our marriage that I don't want you to do. So that's not I'm not throwing those people's opinion away. But these people are still in it, Miserable.
Dr. Ruth:You know? Fighting over assets. So yeah. She should definitely not nothing
Jenny:they have to offer her.
Dr. Ruth:No. No. No. I was like, what in the yeah. Mhmm.
Dr. Ruth:Well, alright. So that's them. I feel like there's gonna be a lot to come from them at the reunion. I can't wait. I hope I
Jenny:hope so.
Dr. Ruth:Eviscerates her. I was on her side. I was cheering her on.
Jenny:But Mhmm.
Dr. Ruth:She really disappointed me. I said that last week. I said, if they don't get married, I'm like, it'll be her, and I'll be disappointed. Because she didn't give any indication that anything fair to let him know. I don't think he saw that coming.
Jenny:I knew it. I knew it. Once she started listening to the couple that had been together for three days Mhmm. Three weeks, but three days in my world.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. They were there for three months listening to this hater girlfriend. Right. I was And I
Jenny:bet you that girlfriend's not even around now.
Dr. Ruth:I guarantee you she's out of the picture because she's already was showing you that she's miserable in the relationship. 100%. The first time you meet somebody, what you have to say is, you know they ain't, you know. Like Mhmm. Okay then call.
Dr. Ruth:Why did you let him move in with you a month?
Jenny:Right. Because you're talking about both men, and you're like, no. They did this and they
Dr. Ruth:did that. And they went to the strip club. Okay. But my
Jenny:I bet you she was there
Dr. Ruth:with them.
Jenny:I bet you she was there.
Dr. Ruth:Little rug. She's like a little rug, a little pushover. Then, like, get your man in order and, like Right. Okay. But if if they did that, mine yours moved in with you.
Dr. Ruth:I don't see no ring on your finger. Mine turned around and joined an experiment to go find his wife.
Jenny:So Exactly.
Dr. Ruth:Whatever they did in hanging out as single men, Anton is obviously on some different stuff than his buddy.
Jenny:Yes. And she's very conservative. I just have to add that she's very conservative from what she kind of puts off. I did not expect that her family doesn't drink at
Dr. Ruth:all. Yeah.
Jenny:And that's very interesting because I would I'd like to understand that piece a little bit more too.
Dr. Ruth:I wonder if it's not religious, you know, like very religious or, you know, some kind of like Pentecostal or some type of belief where they just real or Mormon even because Yeah. You know, those those faiths are very heavy missionary work in South America.
Jenny:But she drinks.
Dr. Ruth:She does. Mhmm. Mhmm. But a lot of Mormons drink, but their family members don't. And they don't like alcohol is not a thing they're gonna do together.
Dr. Ruth:Like, they're not gonna do it in front of their mom even if she does drink with her friends. You know? So maybe that was also part of the factor. I'll give her that that, like, okay. This guy drinks all the time, and my family is, like, religiously anti alcohol.
Dr. Ruth:How will I mesh those two?
Jenny:And that's fine. However, I think that that should have been a conversation in the pots.
Dr. Ruth:For sure.
Jenny:If that is something that is make or break in a relationship, you definitely should have said that you have a no tolerance Mhmm.
Dr. Ruth:You're right. For alcohol. Yeah. You should have said my religious beliefs are really important. This is an issue.
Dr. Ruth:I hope that's okay with you. Because even in the pods, they're drinking.
Jenny:Right. Out of those cups.
Dr. Ruth:Those gold cups.
Jenny:Those gold cups. Maybe they weren't drinking. Maybe there's air in there. Water.
Dr. Ruth:Yes. Maybe that's why they keep them because they're opaque, and we can't then we won't be able to see that it's just water, and they're not drinking.
Jenny:Yeah. They're drinking nothing. They're not even thirsty. Okay?
Dr. Ruth:That's hilarious. I'm I'm gonna solve the mystery of these dag on gold cups.
Jenny:What's in the cups?
Dr. Ruth:What's in the cups, guys? So okay. Onto your favorite. No.
Jenny:My favorite
Dr. Ruth:my favorite source of frustration, Edmond and KB. Calabria.
Jenny:Calabria. I love you, Calabria. Girl, I love you. He's The
Dr. Ruth:Oh, God.
Jenny:I'm sorry. But the moment that he would have showed up to my wedding with that pic in his hair, you there would have been a no from me immediately. I would have said don't walk down this aisle. No. That pic alone would have sent me.
Jenny:It would have sent me. Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:You're right. It's a disqualifying factor. I I would have been like, can you take anything seriously? Like, I don't care about your little personal style and your little skater community. Like, this is a wedding.
Jenny:Wait. Wait. When he came out trying on the tuxedo and had no shirt on, that was diabolical.
Dr. Ruth:You know what I said? I I really at first, I chuckled, and then I was like, oh, no. When has he ever worn a tux in his life? Like, maybe this is just you know what I mean? He's never been to a formal when has he been to a formal event, you know, to that require the tux?
Dr. Ruth:So then I felt bad for laughing. But yeah.
Jenny:Why? Why? He put a vest on with his little bird chest in a formal tuxedo in front of people. No. No.
Dr. Ruth:Bless his heart.
Jenny:If you can't figure that out, maybe you should not be married.
Dr. Ruth:I I definitely think listen. That gets to the crux of the point I'm gonna say about Edmund is that at his core, I do not think he's a bad person. I do not think that he didn't intend to be married, and I feel like he took this whole thing very seriously. But I don't think he's ready to be someone's husband.
Jenny:Like, is right there. Man child. A giant man child.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. He's a bay he's a bit of a baby, and, you know, it's part of, I guess, what people in his circle may find endearing about his personality, but it's also the kind of thing that will drive a wife insane.
Jenny:Well, I can just tell you that for me, do you remember the conversation a couple episodes back where they were talking and she was saying she was given the scenario of how he can protect her. Right. And she said, well, what if this man is like grabbing my arm and he's doomed?
Dr. Ruth:He was like, no.
Jenny:He was like, no, no. I will run the other direction.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. He said, I can't help you there. He was he said he specifically said he would call security.
Jenny:He did. And he summoned security. Security. Oh my gosh. At that point
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:I knew. I felt you
Dr. Ruth:know when I quit him as far as being an appropriate match for her and a man for her?
Jenny:I can tell you when. When? Do you want me to tell you when?
Dr. Ruth:When.
Jenny:Okay. Let me see how well I know you maybe.
Dr. Ruth:Okay. Okay.
Jenny:And if I and if it's wrong, don't tell anybody that I don't know you that well. Okay. But when he started crying over the you know what? Yes. When he wasn't not getting anything?
Dr. Ruth:When he wasn't getting any, I would have been like, okay, security. I'm not sleeping in the bed with this man.
Jenny:At moment, he at first, I thought he was joking. Me too. Bubbled over in full on toddler tears.
Dr. Ruth:Like, hair
Jenny:for me.
Dr. Ruth:No. No. No. I said no, girlfriend. The way that she just, know, pulled the covers, took off her glasses, she pulled the covers and just like rolled over.
Dr. Ruth:I I would not be able to sleep next to this man. I would have so uncomfortable.
Jenny:Over my head and hope that I could disappear.
Dr. Ruth:Girl, no. I would have been like, producers, I need a separate room from this psycho. I'm finished. This is nuts. I won't be in a like, because how do you know I'm sleeping next to you?
Dr. Ruth:He might you might wake up and find him
Jenny:doing
Dr. Ruth:for me Oh my gosh. You have to show me you're crazy just the one time, maybe a fraction of one time. And I'm like, oh, okay. Goodbye. Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:So I Yeah. I couldn't I
Jenny:can't get over that either. I could not do tried
Dr. Ruth:so hard to rock with it. And I was like, okay. She's made peace with it, I guess.
Jenny:I kinda got lost too at the beginning when they met for the first time and he did that high knee run. I was through then. I was too through then. At that point, I was like, if you talk about somebody giving you the ick and a turnoff, those three things together, I would have never made it to the altar. Never.
Dr. Ruth:Never. And what we know and this is what I kept saying. I was like, okay. Calabria is, like, giving him chance after chance so much rope. And we know that, like, that social worker part of her, I know, was yep.
Dr. Ruth:Trying She was trying to trying to trying to be there for him and not abandon him. And it's that carer personality that causes women to you know, I think women like nurses or women like social workers put up with too much in relationships way more than they should. I just think it's, like, a no brainer.
Jenny:Yeah. I think that she wanted a project. That was a project. I mean Even if she didn't want
Dr. Ruth:it, like, her personality is built around, you know, having that.
Jenny:And she probably psychoanalyzed everything. She probably tried to go through the childhood. She probably tried tried to go through and I don't wanna say make excuses for his behavior.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. But I
Jenny:think she did try to justify his behavior because he is sweet, nice person.
Dr. Ruth:Yes, he's very Yes,
Jenny:I truly believe that his heart is so big and so sweet and he's so caring and that what he went through has shaped who he is. And did I want him to get abandoned? Absolutely not. No. But did I think she was fooling herself?
Jenny:A 100%, like a 110%.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah, about how much progress he was gonna be able to make in this situation.
Jenny:Right, I think he just had too much growing to do and their maturity level wasn't there, there was a disconnect. And I really think that there was this one turning point, when she came out of her mouth said, Called him the bee. Oh, said there's no way he's gonna be able to handle her Yep. In real life.
Dr. Ruth:In real life. Way. She's gonna run over him, and he will be miserable, and he will be probably resentful, like, day two of their marriage.
Jenny:I thought he was gonna jump off the cliff.
Dr. Ruth:I thought he was going to, like I was worried he was gonna attack her because he got real upset. And I was like
Speaker 3:Rewind that part. I've rewinded three times because I said, did she say that?
Jenny:Did she do it? Did she do it? And she did it.
Dr. Ruth:Mhmm. Mhmm. She sure did. And she and I I I appreciate her apologizing and and owning that it wasn't right for her to say that to him. That she was you know, that she was you are so stupid.
Dr. Ruth:You're like, but wasn't it though?
Jenny:I mean, let's be real. Is she gonna make it through marriage just being so peaceful? I doubt it.
Dr. Ruth:No. I mean, her true this was her true authentic self. I mean, I know she felt she said the thing of, like, you made me come out of my character, but I don't think anyone can, like, make you reach deep down and pull the b word towards your partner out of you if it's just not there. I
Jenny:don't know. It rolled off of her tongue really quickly.
Dr. Ruth:Mhmm. Mhmm. And she like, he walked away. So I I do commend him for not escalating the conflict. Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:So clearly, he's not incapable of managing conflict, but I just I felt like she kept stuffing it down and stuffing it down and trying to but I can fix him. Even though she literally acknowledges at one point, she's like, I do have a tendency to be with people's potential and not, who they are right then and there.
Jenny:Right. She said potential has gotten her heart broken before,
Dr. Ruth:Yes. A 100 So it's a sad And then I always keep saying it's sad because of his background, his life. I mean,
Jenny:Right.
Dr. Ruth:We saw his mom.
Jenny:I was confused. She That's all I'm gonna say.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. She yeah. Yeah.
Jenny:I leave that one alone. I don't know.
Dr. Ruth:I was confused as well. And I I felt like I felt like there's no way that, you know, he's not still grappling with what he went through. And I don't know that his work is finished there. That's all.
Jenny:Right. And I think I don't. It may know.
Dr. Ruth:You know what I mean? Like, he I don't know what the endpoint is for that level of trauma. I don't know what the endpoint is, but I feel like there's a point beyond this that he gets to where he's more prepared for a marriage. He wants marriage. He probably needs to find somebody to
Jenny:Right.
Dr. Ruth:Have a family. The poor guy has never had a real family.
Jenny:Yeah. So that is the part that I wanted to happen. Right? But it will happen. I do believe it will happen.
Jenny:I just think that that was a little bit of a mismatch. But what I can say is that I do not like how she got all the way to the altar and said all of these nice things Right. And then flipped the script like that. Like, come I
Dr. Ruth:almost I just I don't like it. I don't like don't tell me you needed to get to the altar to figure it out. That's a crazy thing for me to have to believe. And you two, having done it, like, don't understand what you're talking No,
Jenny:because even right before, you know, even when he said yes and she started saying again, or this may have been right before it, but she was talking about how great he is and how much she loves him and all of these things and calling him baby and all these endearing just to snatch the rug from under him. Think that was I thought it was so heartless. Yeah. That was heartless.
Dr. Ruth:Little cruel. I thought it
Jenny:was cruel. Especially when you know how sensitive he is.
Dr. Ruth:He is sensitive and you know that this is like, obviously, it's not the only reason he wants to get married, but him getting married is him trying to heal his his inner child in some way.
Jenny:Yeah. I feel like she kinda broke him.
Dr. Ruth:You know? I'm worried that he's not gonna get over this because he's No. Remember oh, and by the way, I don't wanna forget to talk about his teacher because shout out to all the teachers who are like miss Jesse in his life.
Jenny:Miss Jesse was sweet.
Dr. Ruth:My lord.
Jenny:Miss Jesse showed up.
Dr. Ruth:She showed up and showed out for the teachers of America child. She was like, I was, oh, I was blown away by her compassion, her kindness, her love for him. Like Mhmm.
Jenny:The fact she'll always be there.
Dr. Ruth:Like Yes. And clearly, because she she's probably still on the East Coast. She said she you know, I think she indicated that she traveled to come to his wedding. And just the way that he
Jenny:couldn't marry miss Jessie. Too bad miss Jessie's not.
Dr. Ruth:I know. She's probably happily married and has kids. I think her husband was next to her or some her man was there.
Jenny:I know. We need a miss Jessie two point o for him.
Dr. Ruth:We need miss Jessie to help him find somebody.
Jenny:Right. Yeah. I don't know. That was a lot because even when he like inter you could tell he was internalizing everything because he started to growl. He growled.
Jenny:He growled at the altar.
Dr. Ruth:Didn't he do the thing, like, when you know what I mean? He did some of that, and I just said, oh gosh. He's he's really taking this really hard. This is not your average breakup. Like
Jenny:I did think he was gonna have the toddler, like, jump in the air, like, stomping. I did. I thought it was gonna happen. When he turned, I thought he was gonna do it.
Dr. Ruth:I was I and I didn't like her kind of handling him after. I wanted her to walk away.
Jenny:I didn't like her grabbing
Dr. Ruth:his face and trying to Right. Cuddle him. Leave him alone. Yeah. I felt like, walk away.
Jenny:Now you're confusing him.
Dr. Ruth:Now you're confusing him, and you're continuing to tell him
Jenny:he because you're confusing me. Because I was confused.
Dr. Ruth:Because all this stuff
Jenny:he was
Dr. Ruth:saying, and all this stuff existed before you got here.
Jenny:All of it and then some.
Dr. Ruth:Nothing was revealed in the last five minutes. So
Jenny:No. And I feel like the worst of it.
Dr. Ruth:I'm not gonna lie. I hated it. It was painful to watch because I think we all have feel a way about Edmund. I feel I feel like we all feel a way about him as far as he's a nice guy, and we wanna see him happy. We we just know he is not right with KB.
Dr. Ruth:That's not a good relationship.
Jenny:No. No. I don't think so.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. I I I definitely when it comes to Edmund, I'm not interested in watching him get hurt on TV. Think that was
Jenny:No. That was cruel. That was cruel and unusual punishment. Like, I felt like was cruel. That was really cruel.
Jenny:And I just think too, as a social worker, she should have thought this through a little bit more. Like, I would have hoped that she would have had this conversation before he was truly embarrassed in front of everyone that came.
Dr. Ruth:Yes. And the fact that he was so excited for his friends and miss Jesse, you know, his his found family to be there. Yeah. I really
Jenny:There's think there's something else because remember, she kept saying so I think this will come out at the reunion too. She kept saying, as soon as the cameras turn on, you're somebody else. She did say that. So it might be something we don't know.
Dr. Ruth:I let me tell you something right now, Jennifer. I hope that's the case because I have liked her so much this season. I, you know, I I've really liked her evenness. She seems so sweet, so kind, so loving. Just that Yep.
Dr. Ruth:Sweet brown sugar type of sister. Like, I really like her and enjoyed her. And I appreciated her giving him a real chance. Right? So it hurt me this past episode because I was just like, well, I thought she was nice.
Dr. Ruth:Like, I thought I know. I thought she was kind. And you I
Jenny:was gonna kind with thought that she loved him to the core. Like, I did. She had me fooled. I thought she loved She him said it.
Dr. Ruth:That. She
Jenny:said that.
Dr. Ruth:She said the reason I'm still here is because I love you. I am in love with you.
Jenny:But you know what? I felt that because all of the things that he did
Dr. Ruth:Mhmm.
Jenny:That made me not
Dr. Ruth:Emotionally love him run for the hills.
Jenny:Yes. Are all of the things that she accepted and said, you know, there's more to him than these things. So here I am thinking I'm so shallow because I'm like, oh no, absolutely not. No, we will not. We're out of here.
Jenny:That flowered shirt has to go. All those things where I'm just like, No, no. She was truly I felt like she was truly digging into his soul. And I thought that that is what she was gonna go for. But I don't think she was attracted to him either.
Jenny:I'm sorry. I don't.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. There is that question because they never probably did get it on.
Jenny:Did they even kiss? Like, did they actually kiss? Like, what kind of kiss? Like, church kiss or, like because I didn't see a kiss kiss.
Dr. Ruth:Didn't they kiss at the reveal and then in Mexico a couple times?
Jenny:Everybody awkwardly kissed at the reveal.
Dr. Ruth:Okay. But I'm saying yeah. I mean, she would give him, like, the little hello and goodbye kisses, I think. But
Jenny:Oh, yeah. The ones I give to my nine year old son.
Dr. Ruth:You're so stupid.
Jenny:Listen. My nine year old son's kisses have more passion than the kisses that I saw. I'm just gonna put that out there.
Dr. Ruth:I will say, unlike all the other couples, even the ones who were ultimately doomed, we never saw them, like, making out passionately.
Jenny:Well We never saw KB.
Dr. Ruth:I'm saying we never saw KB and Edmund making out. No. All the other the other couples, we saw them heavy Oh, yeah.
Jenny:Hot and heavy kissing. Yeah. I didn't even see them cuddle in bed. Like there was no like side cuddle. There was none of that.
Dr. Ruth:Guess we never saw that either. Yeah.
Jenny:No, like there wasn't anything intimate because you don't have to have, you know what, in order to show that intimacy and that connection. I didn't see any of it.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. I didn't either. I didn't feel any fire. No. I felt his attraction for her, but I did not feel her attraction for him.
Jenny:No. And I think she was lying about she wanted to wait till marriage. I think it was because she knew she wasn't fully invested and attracted to him.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. And I I mean, in hindsight, I think that was the right thing to do because these people get into these, they get to Mexico, they get to the apartments, and they're they're sleeping with each other left and right and confusing things. Because that's, I think, what happened with Joe and Madison, side note, that Madison is sitting there confused, and he's just, like, running out of the tuckshop because he was never attracted to her. He said he didn't like thick girls or whatever. He said he didn't like her body type, yet you are you can't keep your hands off of her.
Dr. Ruth:She's telling her friends it's the best sex she's ever had in her life, you know, that he he won't keep his hands off of her. And then he's turning around and being like, yeah, can't do this. And then even when she's asking him what is wrong, he's like, it's just not right. It's just not right. Like
Speaker 3:Maybe he just got turned off that first time that she tripped.
Dr. Ruth:Oh my god.
Jenny:You're the worst. Tripped and then she fell into the pool? Oh, gosh.
Dr. Ruth:Did she fall into the pool?
Jenny:No. She it was a it was a really deep step that she kinda missed as she was trying to
Dr. Ruth:be cute. She said her her vision gets worse at night, and I was like, girl.
Jenny:Oh, that was her vision. I forgot about that. Okay.
Dr. Ruth:I'm sorry.
Jenny:I was just thinking about her being just clumsy. Yeah. You forget
Dr. Ruth:because she I mean, honestly, to her credit, I forgot a couple times too because to her credit, she doesn't wear it on her sleeve. You know? She's not constantly talking about it, reminding us in storyline what's at stake. You know? So I yeah.
Dr. Ruth:I forgot about it. I was reminded when her mother brought it up at their meeting. And I was like, oh, he's definitely leaving her, but this sucks even more because I forgot about that.
Jenny:I mean, that's a that's a lot. It's a it's a heavy cross to bear for the person and then for someone else when you're just meeting someone this quickly as well. Yeah. It is. It's heavy.
Dr. Ruth:Talking about a future like that, it's heavy, but he also was given ample notice and opportunity to, know, for what it's worth. Yeah, in summary, I don't think if you don't think it's a 100% for you on the attraction front, I think you should lay off the physical and just give it a go. Get to know each other.
Jenny:Let's just talk about Joe real quick because I I'm so sorry. But
Dr. Ruth:That's okay.
Jenny:I would have left her the night that he just got a little bit too intoxicated and she came back in the room and was just Balling. On his top. Yeah. You're scaring me. He's literally sleeping.
Jenny:He's trying to sleep off a hangover.
Dr. Ruth:I'm Got blackout drunk at that party because he's not happy. I think this is all a symptom of the same disease. He's not happy. He's at this party with her. He's seeing these other people that maybe he finds more attractive.
Dr. Ruth:Like, he might have been more into sparkle Megan. You know? She might have been
Jenny:sparkle Megan.
Dr. Ruth:Sparkle Megan might have been more his physical, you know, body type that he's into. And he just drank himself into oblivion and had to go lay down. And she's like Right. And he's incoherent because he's still drunk. And she's she's acting like and I thought I was like, maybe he even took something else.
Dr. Ruth:I don't know. I mean, I don't know what they have on them, but
Jenny:She literally woke up startled, cross eyed and all.
Dr. Ruth:He was
Jenny:like, uh-huh. She is just like, what's wrong with you? What's wrong with you? You're not acting right. He's like, oh my gosh.
Jenny:Let me see. He should have thrown up on her right then and there. He just should have thrown up on her.
Dr. Ruth:You know what? As far as his, like, admitting that he's not into her and then drinking because he's so bummed about it, I I feel like, you know what? If there was a time where he could have broken up with her and probably a lot of us would not have blamed him, that would have been it.
Jenny:It should have been then.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Yeah. Because a lot of people would have been like, yeah. That was annoying. Okay.
Dr. Ruth:I
Jenny:don't But believe she was so she was so annoyed. She annoyed me.
Dr. Ruth:The going outside and crying was was a bridge too far for me. You know how I am. I don't like
Jenny:She she acted like he again, she acted like he just tripped and banged his head or turned into a bro and was like, come at me. Like that's what she acted like happened. She really acted like he had attacked her.
Dr. Ruth:Right. Or she walked in and found him on the floor in like a pool of his own, you know, blood and stuff. Oh my god. Yeah.
Jenny:Right. I was like, have you never seen anybody drink a little bit too much and just need to sleep it off? And then when you wake up someone who is in a drunken stupor like that- Right,
Dr. Ruth:they take a minute.
Jenny:I could imagine the spinning that his head was going in, then hearing her voice and then- And
Dr. Ruth:being like, where am I?
Jenny:Right, and then having the same thing being heard, he probably thought he had taken something else too at that He's probably like, what did I take? What happened? Why am I?
Dr. Ruth:Who's room has been? Right.
Jenny:I would've ran away. If I were him, I would've ran. I would've ran away. I'm telling you.
Dr. Ruth:I I think that would've been a much better time than getting all the way back and continuing to sleep with her and through the all the the Tuck's point was really just really whack, and it didn't give her enough explanation.
Jenny:She didn't He almost combusted. He literally almost imploded.
Dr. Ruth:He was like, I gotta get off of this couch. He
Jenny:he was gonna attack the cameraman. For real. He's like, stop the tape right now. I gotta go.
Dr. Ruth:Can't do this. We're gonna Wait.
Jenny:But he left his friend. How are you gonna leave your friend? How are
Dr. Ruth:gonna leave my thing. That's why I knew he was freaked out because he bounced on his friends. It was two of them there. His boy was even out
Speaker 3:the window. Like, is he in his truck?
Jenny:He's in his truck.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. He's in his truck. Like, he just left. This dude just left. Like, what?
Jenny:Could you imagine? If you left me, I would kill you.
Dr. Ruth:I'd be texting you furiously. Like, girl.
Jenny:I would chase I would run after the truck.
Dr. Ruth:I'm gonna get you. Like, I know where you're going, and it's gonna be a problem.
Jenny:My gosh. But yeah. So that was tragic.
Dr. Ruth:It was. It was.
Jenny:This is a tragic season.
Dr. Ruth:Honestly, it's a season with very little joy. No joy. No joy. None joy.
Jenny:There's there's a lot
Dr. Ruth:We've not had a season where not one couple makes it to the end.
Jenny:Talk about it. This, I feel like there should have been a an emotional and mental evaluation Yeah. Before any of these couples came on because they just blew this whole season.
Dr. Ruth:It's
Jenny:crazy. Nobody got any cake. There's no cake.
Dr. Ruth:It was insane. I didn't see that coming. I really thought we had at least one and possibly two. Speaking of, sparkle Megan.
Jenny:No. Sparkle Megan. Sparkle Megan. You know? That's that.
Dr. Ruth:Sparkle Megan. On her. I came around on her. Initially, she made me roll my eyes a lot, but eventually, I I came to at least understand her a little bit.
Jenny:Listen. Sparkle Megan has made a way for herself. Sparkle Megan has it going all the way on. I think Sparkle Megan was trying to dig really, really deep and really find just love, right? I think
Dr. Ruth:Real love.
Jenny:I do think she found the real love, but she found the unavailable real love because that love was taken by someone who loved their son so much, which is fantastic, But it didn't go along with what she needed now. Because I don't wanna marry anybody either that I'm still gonna have to do all of the things by myself.
Dr. Ruth:Right. He's like, I'm not gonna hold you back. And it's like, well, I didn't get married so I can travel the world by myself. I got married so you can join me doing all these amazing things. And but he also, on his side, has a great reason to not, you know, be able to do that.
Dr. Ruth:Would you wanna be with a man who's like, yeah. I don't need that kid. Let's go to freaking wherever. Let's go to Italy. Let's go to that wedding.
Dr. Ruth:Like, I mean, he doesn't have him full time. That was the only thing that I wanted to scream at the television at one point was, like, he does share custody with the child's mother, so there will be weekends that that Jordan is available to travel. But I think for her, it's more so the spontaneity that she's looking for. Like Yeah. She wants to be a dual income, no kids type of household first, and then I think ideal yeah.
Dr. Ruth:I think that would be the ideal thing for her. We're flush with cash, no kids, no responsibilities. We wanna go to, you know, Europe. We wanna hit the Amalfi Coast for the just on the spur of a moment. Let's do it and have the money and the schedule open to do so.
Jenny:I get it. Yeah. I get it. Who wants to work that hard and then you can't enjoy it?
Dr. Ruth:Exactly. It sounds like you made some great decisions in her career and I don't think she And could be punished for
Jenny:I think she was really trying. I think she was, but I think she underestimated what the actual I would say what the actual relationship would look like with all of the responsibilities. Right?
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:And I think she jumped into it way too quick. She kept saying, I want to do all this for, I forgot.
Dr. Ruth:Luca. Luca.
Jenny:Yes. I want to be a stepmom to Luca. I would have been like, hold on. It's only been two weeks. He has a mother.
Jenny:She's not dead.
Dr. Ruth:I said that at one point. I was like, she's talking like someone who's replacing a dead mother.
Jenny:Right. I feel like she was trying to jump into this character that she was not and that she didn't even have to do.
Dr. Ruth:No. Because the boy's mother is alive and well.
Jenny:Right. And I just am very sensitive that when kids are involved, you really have to evaluate this before you go and you meet kids and you do all this. And I didn't like the fact that they were like, oh, well, Luca was cuddling with her. Don't cuddle with my child.
Dr. Ruth:Like, what?
Jenny:Don't cuddle with my child after you met them for twenty four hours. Do not.
Dr. Ruth:I agree. I agree wholeheartedly. And I'm gonna go even further and say I honestly don't think they should allow people with children on this show.
Jenny:Oh, wow.
Dr. Ruth:Well, only because I feel very strongly I agree with everything you said a thousand percent.
Jenny:And you said, oh, never thought about that.
Dr. Ruth:You know what I mean? If I'm single if you're single and and you're dating, no man is meeting my children before, like, three to six solid months. It's it's gotta be six solid months. I don't want you to meet them.
Jenny:Say I agree. Yeah. We have to be on a solid
Dr. Ruth:track because guess what happened? Soon as they broke up, what was the first thing he said? I wish I never introduced her to Luca. And I was like, because you shouldn't have.
Jenny:Never should have.
Dr. Ruth:No. It was so soon. Like Right. And I know she was giving assurances, but I do think she was wholeheartedly trying to be different, trying to step into that stepmom role with all the gusto, and she felt like she was getting all those signs from her dad from beyond about the diabetes.
Jenny:I know.
Dr. Ruth:And I I really felt for her, and I was like, she definitely comes from one of those, you know, families that really, you know, looks for that kind of thing. You know? And so I I could see why she felt that way. But I I thought he they jumped the gun on meeting the the boy. And I think, like, he's five.
Dr. Ruth:Like, this is not a teenager. You know what I mean? He's five. Mhmm. Daddy actually gets married, we can meet his wife after.
Dr. Ruth:I'm sorry.
Jenny:Like A 100%. It's not gonna make a difference.
Dr. Ruth:But back to my original point, it is a little shocking for a kid to come home and daddy's married. So that's or mommy's married. Mhmm. So for that reason, I don't think it's a healthy thing, the experiment, for a child to be exposed to.
Jenny:I agree. Yeah. I agree. It's barely healthy for them to be exposed to.
Dr. Ruth:Right. And they have to, like imagine, like, now this person who's perfectly eligible and a lovely person, right, has to go into this gauntlet with this, you know, this thing they have to admit early on, right in the middle right in the beginning of the conversation, chemistry is being established. Oh, I'm a dad. Oh, I'm a mom. See how that person responds to it, deal with the possible rejection.
Dr. Ruth:And I know that's on a micro scale what they deal with in real life, but I think people in the real world get to know a little bit more about them first before they have to tell them, I'm a mom or I'm a dad. And I don't know. I just the two people who have come on that have had kids Mhmm. That admitted because there were some people who had kids that did not admit it. But the two
Jenny:people gonna say you don't always have to say it.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. There's people who were definitely scrubbed their Instagram of their children and then came on the show. But Oh, that's tragic. The girl she was beautiful. What was her name?
Dr. Ruth:Jessica or something?
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah. Jessica. Yes.
Dr. Ruth:She had a daughter. And it was, like, it was heartfelt, and I could tell, like, you know, she was a lovely person.
Jenny:And Yeah.
Dr. Ruth:You know, I wished it would've worked out, but there was a part of me that thought the stakes are too high when there's a child.
Jenny:Yeah. I
Dr. Ruth:I thought it a little bit then, but with Luca now seeing it with a man with a child, it's like, it doesn't make any it's just it's not good. It's not good.
Jenny:And you have the child and he has diabetes. Like, there's a lot of other things that go into this. Right? So now she's getting triggered by the pumps and
Dr. Ruth:Yes.
Jenny:Thinking that this is a sign because her dad had this. But I also, a piece of me wonders like, okay, do you want to go through this again with someone that is not, I mean, I'm going be 100% honest, it's not your child. It's not your child. So now you're going to go through this again and you're trying to jump into this spot where it's not your place. You're trying to be a mother, you're trying to be a stepmother and none of these things have to happen for you.
Jenny:Think she kind of overshot.
Dr. Ruth:Sure, for sure.
Jenny:She overshot what was really happening. And I think in the end when she broke down and was like, I don't even know even if I even should be a mother after this. Mhmm. That's did feel so bad
Dr. Ruth:I that know. And I felt so bad for her when she said that. Because I was like, no, Megan, that's not what this means. This means that you are not ready to be a stepmom right now, which is a totally different thing in my opinion.
Jenny:And I think that I think I do still think that she had a good heart. Yeah. I do. I do. Do.
Jenny:Yeah. And she did not care about the money. She just wanted someone to her person and she wanted all of the love and she decided to be with someone where she saw he gave all of his love to his son, which is admirable, right? He won a man like that.
Dr. Ruth:It makes him like clearly a good man. This is a good guy.
Jenny:And he showed a 100% that that's who he was when he said, I'm not that person. I am a father first. So good for him because he could have chased sparkles and shimmers and shines and knowing that he could have had the sugar mama. He could have had this sugar mama.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:And probably didn't even have to work the way she was talking about $2,000,000 houses for three people. I mean, he was like, there's so many rooms in here. What are we doing?
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Why? What are we doing? But, you know,
Jenny:she's she's
Dr. Ruth:got it like that. And I guess the other part of it, inevitably, the economics probably would have caught up to them because, you know, in my experience, men don't over time do well when the woman is the primary breadwinner. They just they struggle with it.
Jenny:Man is still gonna be a man. Right.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. And he showed signs of that that last conversation they had where he was just like, I don't wanna talk about work. I don't wanna wanna talk talk about about anything. I just want my quiet time. And he was I was like, what did he get on his phone?
Dr. Ruth:Because he was looking at his phone, and then he started to get annoyed with her trying to talk to him. And I was just like Mhmm. This is gonna be a theme that repeats itself. Still thought we might get married, but
Jenny:We missed something. Right? There was something that was going on there because We did. It all of a sudden cut, then it was like this weird silence between the two of them. And then it was like, why don't you talk to me?
Jenny:You just shut down.
Dr. Ruth:Right.
Jenny:And then that's when he clipped to that. And what was he looking at on his phone? What was he looking at?
Dr. Ruth:You know what? Surmised. I thought, okay. Maybe it was like a medical bill or something that came or something he I I feel like it was like an unexpected expense maybe popped up on his email, and he was just sitting there trying to think about, like, how am I gonna pay for this? And then she's busy flat prattling on about going to to Italy, to Lake Como.
Dr. Ruth:You know what I mean? And he's just like, this, you know, like, she doesn't get it. Like, we are on two different planets. Because right after that, he was like, this isn't the pods. He told her, we're in two different boats.
Dr. Ruth:Your boat is bigger than mine. Like, I feel like that that did play a huge role, I think, in her ultimately making the decision that they were not right for each other.
Jenny:Yeah. I think he I think he got to his breaking point there.
Dr. Ruth:I
Jenny:think just understanding, like, also for him, now you're going to have this wife that's going to be gallivanting across the world with her friends and leaving you and just what, showing up when she's back and when she's available. Then I just don't think that dynamic was gonna work. I don't. Yeah. At I the beginning, I felt like, oh, this is so cute.
Jenny:This is so sweet, you know? Yeah. And Luca could have whatever he wanted, right? But it wasn't love is blind for the children, right? It was not about the children.
Jenny:It was about them connecting.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:But remember, who was it? Was it Mike? Was that his name?
Dr. Ruth:That was the guy from the pods. Mike called it.
Jenny:Mike said, you will see.
Dr. Ruth:He's like, this will the like, when the shine and the luster wears off Yeah. Ultimately, to me, she's clearly more compatible with someone like Mike.
Jenny:I definitely thought it from the first time that they met, but I loved how she stood firm. She stood firm in that and
Dr. Ruth:said Honestly not. That is when sparkle Megan converted me. I was on the fence about her the whole time. And when she sat there and said, no. I'm happy and looked him dead in his eye and was like, I
Jenny:am my man. My man. My man.
Dr. Ruth:My man. My man. That's when I was like, slow clap, mama. Slow clap. You did great.
Jenny:I know. Yeah. I did think that of everyone that they were gonna make it. I did. I really did.
Dr. Ruth:I did think they had a very good shot. And I also thought she's gonna take so seriously the meeting of Luca. She's not going to play around. I feel like if she gets to the point where they actually sit down and meet, she knows that she's going she's moving forward with it. Right.
Dr. Ruth:But we have to assume that she really Yeah. She wrestled with this. She wrestled.
Jenny:Yes. And I'm just glad that that did not make it to the altar because that, you know Oh, girl. Luca would have been there, first of all.
Dr. Ruth:Maybe.
Jenny:And I feel like Luca would have been there for this because as much as he loves his son, I feel like if that was the decision that they were going to make and all of these signs aligned, he would have been there and it would have been tragic. And I'm so glad that the producers made sure that that did not happen. I don't know how, but I think that that was a very smart move.
Dr. Ruth:I don't think it was the producers. I think Megan woke up and was like, I'm not doing this. I'm not going to the wedding venue. Right. That's why they were both on the couch just crying, like because this was and I I I think they knew it, though.
Jenny:I think they knew it.
Dr. Ruth:And I appreciate, yeah, them being allowed to play this out in a real way and not have it be this excessively produced thing where she goes through and sitting with her friends and family. And I don't I I love him, and he's the one I think in, you know, all this crap and stuffing down all these real emotions and then saying no. Like, I just
Jenny:You know?
Dr. Ruth:This works out so much better for me. Even though it's depressing that we didn't get any, like, couples out of it, I still think this was probably one of the realest seasons they've had.
Jenny:You know what I am so happy that she did not say? Because this would have just thrown me. If she would have said, I will always be in Luca's life no matter what.
Dr. Ruth:If we're
Jenny:not together, girl, I would have threw my TV. I would have shut it down. I would have never watched Love Is Blend again. Am so happy she didn't do it.
Dr. Ruth:That's why I appreciated her. In the end, she was like, I don't maybe I'm not even fit to be a mom. Like, I need I got some stuff to figure out. So y'all have a good life now. You
Jenny:hear? I know. Yeah. I mean, that was tough.
Dr. Ruth:On that note, okay. So we had these these three busts for weddings. Right? And then Yeah. They are.
Dr. Ruth:Womp womp.
Jenny:This was shenanigans.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah.
Jenny:Pure shenanigans. Just I was very entertaining. Right? Good job, Love Is Blind. Good job.
Dr. Ruth:I was like, you know what? After nine seasons, you can't accuse them of being stale. You know what I mean? Because there was a point maybe season five, six, or whatever that it was getting a little stale, a little dry. Oh, yeah.
Dr. Ruth:And, you know, some of the some of the castmates drama was keeping it afloat, but the concept was getting a little dry. And I love that this season kinda turned it on its head that, like, no. Mm-mm. You can watch all these people go through this, and nobody gets married.
Jenny:Right. I like I like the ghosting aspect. Like, people just disappeared. That was hilarious.
Dr. Ruth:I know. And I like, they didn't have to do them like that. They did not have to go have them go in the pod and be like, hello? Hello, hello. You could've just told them outside.
Jenny:Like more than once, I was dead. I was so dead. I was thrilled. I was not I'm telling you, I was kind of thrilled about it. I was like, oh my gosh.
Jenny:Because I'm sitting here like, where No. Are
Dr. Ruth:Are they allowed to do that?
Jenny:Right. I was like, well, you can't do that. Are they going to walk like the halls with the camera? What are we doing? Are we going Watch find
Dr. Ruth:them escape the building, you know? Like Right.
Jenny:Oh my gosh. But then also, yes, because it started to become predictable because you knew that, okay, if the first wedding was a no, you knew the second one was a yes. And then the third one was going to be a no. And then the last one, you don't know what's going happen. But it happened to always have, like, two.
Jenny:Yep. And it happened to always have four couples. Yeah. So this one did switch it up a little bit. So that was that was pretty cool.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. It felt really much more real in that. And especially the people, I really appreciated the people who got as far as the apartments, but then didn't make it to the altar. Like, those people added a layer to me that I think will pro propel this series forward. Yes.
Dr. Ruth:That you don't know what to expect. Even if they seem like the perfect couple, they might not even make it to the altar.
Jenny:Well, we knew Nick and whatever her name was was not the perfect couple.
Dr. Ruth:Girl, don't get me started about Nick.
Speaker 3:But you do everything. You do everything.
Jenny:I wanted her to pick up her pieces
Dr. Ruth:of her
Jenny:full soul and stop begging for this I wanted her to
Dr. Ruth:someone to shake her. Know? She needed like a girlfriend nearby to be like, girl, what's the matter with you?
Jenny:Someone should've given her her life back because the way she started melting and begging and pleading And mind you man.
Dr. Ruth:Did you notice how his bags were neatly packed by the door?
Jenny:He was gone. He was gone before he got there.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. He sat down for that conversation with her and his bags were already packed.
Jenny:Well, I'm not I mean, I can't blame him because the conversation prior to that when she was like, do you love me? You love me? You don't love me? Do you love me?
Dr. Ruth:Say, You love me.
Jenny:Will you love me? He was like, I do love you.
Speaker 3:No, you don't love me.
Jenny:I just said, I do
Speaker 3:love you, but you didn't mean it. He was
Jenny:done. His soul left his eyes. I saw it fly out of his body because I was like, she's a psychopath right now, you better run because she's spiraling out of control. And I was like, don't do it. Don't kiss her.
Jenny:Don't hug her right now. Something's gonna happen.
Dr. Ruth:I definitely said well, she was drunk having that conversation with him. That was the aftermath of that little rodeo party. But I will say, I said from Mexico, she's extremely needy, and she doesn't know she's a needy person. And Right. That's a recipe for disaster with a stoic person like that.
Dr. Ruth:And a lot of people were reading him as, like, very fake, and I didn't I didn't agree with them until we went to his little his little cabin in the woods, and then I was like, oh, no. This this is he put this on. This is crazy. This looks like an Airbnb. His cabin.
Dr. Ruth:It was terrible.
Jenny:His cabin.
Dr. Ruth:It looked like an Airbnb. Like, it looked like it was waiting for a guest to arrive, and he was gonna give them the keys and, you show It them looked so boring. It was terrible. I was like, ew, is this his real life? This is horrible.
Jenny:He's like, I just want to stay out here. Stay out there by yourself, buddy, because this is just a bachelor pad and I would want no parts. He's like, You could live here for a few weeks.
Dr. Ruth:No. Then commute? No. I couldn't. And this is not even your house.
Dr. Ruth:Let's be real. This is your mom's Airbnb. Let's stop the nonsense. Was like
Jenny:It's like there's nothing you cannot do. I was like, god.
Dr. Ruth:Oh, god. The way she was sweating him, like, stop this. Stop this, ma'am. And her son her other kid was sitting right there, she's like, Nick is the most perfect, precious, beautiful child. I was like
Jenny:I know. The other one was like, hello. I'm here.
Dr. Ruth:He was like, should I still be here?
Jenny:It's like, I'm just gonna leave. Exit stage fright.
Dr. Ruth:I'm just gonna see myself out.
Speaker 3:Right.
Dr. Ruth:But, yeah, I I definitely she the meltdown was crazy, and it just solidified that they definitely were not a match, and that she is she's got some work to do on herself and that hair. Because, baby, how are you a whole hairstylist? And Oh, listen. It's like
Jenny:I didn't know if it was a wig, a weave, tracks. I didn't know what was happening.
Dr. Ruth:I mean, no. It crazy. I couldn't explain the dimensions of what all was happening up there.
Jenny:No. I don't understand. There was a lot going on there, and I still don't fit I still don't know what it is. I don't know what what it was.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Bless her heart.
Jenny:Poor baby.
Dr. Ruth:So she's gonna come back. I I was like, you know what? My girl, Annie, is gonna come back to the reunion with, like, a just stank bob. Like, a just and prove all of us wrong and be like, oh, you didn't think I could style hair? Like, look at this.
Dr. Ruth:I could I could cut, you know, I could cut some stuff with this bob.
Jenny:Don't bank on that one. Don't bank on that one at all. Like, please, please, please.
Dr. Ruth:I love the reunion makeovers usually.
Jenny:I do like those. I do like those. But I cannot wait to see what's going on happen on this reunion because they are I need the secrets to come out. I cannot wait. Wanna be proved wrong.
Jenny:I wanna be proven completely wrong. I wanna have everything I thought. I just want it to blow up in my face. And I wanna just be so wrong.
Dr. Ruth:Yes. Just, like, turned on its head like, oh, what? Yeah. That's what it
Jenny:had to like.
Dr. Ruth:Think the only preview did you see the preview for the reunion?
Jenny:No. I think I avoided it.
Dr. Ruth:It was, like, fifth ten seconds or something. It was really short. But they were only showing them talking to Megan about her comment saying maybe I shouldn't be a mom. And she said, yeah. She was like, actually, I have an announcement or I have
Jenny:something I did see that. I did see that. And I was like,
Dr. Ruth:girl, are you pregnant with Mike's baby? No.
Jenny:I was like, let
Dr. Ruth:me be Mike's baby.
Jenny:Right. I I do wanna know what that one is. Unless she, like, adopted a child or something.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Maybe, you know, or something. I I I'm not mad either way. I'm glad to see her moving on in a good direction, but I was like I was overanalyzing. I went back and watched it again, and I was like, her face is fuller.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. Her face is fuller. Maybe that's
Jenny:maybe
Dr. Ruth:Her face her cheeks were fuller. I was like, oh, okay. Yeah. Maybe she's pregnant.
Jenny:We are so terrible.
Dr. Ruth:Girl. And I was like, oh, who's the daddy? Is it Mike? I hope she ran right out of that apartment and called Mike up and was like, you know what? I tried.
Jenny:Like Mitch. I feel like Mike would have been her person.
Dr. Ruth:I think he would have because she's dated guy I think she avoided him because he reminded her of her exes. But I feel like she's dated guys like him who weren't ready for marriage.
Jenny:Exactly. And she had the new and improved version of what she truly wanted, and she let it just Yes.
Dr. Ruth:Had version of what she wants, showing up saying he's ready for marriage. He can't wait to, like, combine forces and, you know Yes. Do all the stuff they do that they like. They're into wellness. They're both into all this stuff together.
Dr. Ruth:I feel like she left her ideal match on the table, and I really want 100%. Yeah. I wanna I want her to come back to the reunion saying that she actually went back and dated Mike, and now they're pregnant. And that's that's what I want for Megan.
Jenny:I think that definitely would have been her perfect match. I kid you not. Like and I thought he was a little cocky, but that's what she needs. Like, doesn't want a little bit of a cocky guy. Like, come on.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. She needs a edge. Right. Has a little edge to stand up to her. I mean, like she's a boss, obviously.
Jenny:And she wanted to be softer. She wanted to have that.
Dr. Ruth:She wanted to rest in her pink, I
Jenny:Yeah. And I think that she was very willing and open to not really care about the money because she had all the money and it wasn't making her happy. So she just wanted to share the money and be happy with someone. So I hope she finds
Dr. Ruth:hard because that's that's so hard for a woman to do is to share your life. If you are a woman who has wealth and you are unabashedly enjoying that wealth, you know, you're not lowering your standards for people around you, it is hard to date. I I literally
Jenny:First lonely.
Dr. Ruth:I I I don't want nothing to do with singlehood because, you know, god.
Jenny:Had people After Walt and Miss?
Dr. Ruth:Mhmm. Yes. And also I mean, I remember, like, I had people struggling to handle my profession when I was still a broke resident, you know, and they were
Jenny:Right. You you were there,
Dr. Ruth:you know, and I was like, oh god. I can only imagine.
Jenny:We've had trouble struggling with people understanding that we had our own lunch money and we didn't need them.
Dr. Ruth:Okay? Didn't need you. Had a job. No. Mm-mm.
Dr. Ruth:Right. Okay?
Jenny:No. No. They didn't want anything to do with us because we weren't groggling and begging. We didn't need anything. No.
Jenny:That's a scary place to be in.
Dr. Ruth:Feel like for a man and how society teaches them, that is an uncomfortable place to be. And it takes a rare man who can grapple with those feelings and put them to the side. Because they're all gonna struggle with it. There's not a man on earth who's not gonna struggle with it unless he's a slug in a piece of lazy garbage. But
Jenny:Unless he wants his sugar, mama.
Dr. Ruth:There you go. But like a the kind of man she she's gonna want, not
Jenny:a sugar baby. Right. Exactly.
Dr. Ruth:He's gonna struggle with it, but he's gotta be able to be like, okay. Refocus. We're a team and put it away.
Jenny:Exactly.
Dr. Ruth:Yeah. So
Jenny:We'll see what happens. Right?
Dr. Ruth:We'll see, girl. I'm excited. I mean, this is this is gonna be appointment television for me. I'm gonna tell these kids to get out of my face. I got
Jenny:TV to watch. I know. A 100%. I think I'm actually gonna watch this, like, real time.
Dr. Ruth:Like, real time. Yeah. I'm not
Jenny:gonna wait.
Dr. Ruth:I'm not gonna, like, watch it the next day. Like, this is an appointment I'm having.
Jenny:Mhmm. Right. Mhmm. 100%.
Dr. Ruth:Alright. Well, maybe we'll reconvene for the reunion wrap up.
Jenny:That would be spicy.
Dr. Ruth:Look at you becoming a professional podcaster.
Jenny:Oh my gosh. I'm a girl. This was fun though. This was a lot of fun.
Dr. Ruth:I was like,
Jenny:you had fun. This is just like our daily conversations though.
Dr. Ruth:Like on video. And then I'm gonna just You
Jenny:were a little bit more focused this time though.
Dr. Ruth:Yes. Because I feel like we would have also talked about 25 other things.
Jenny:100%. 100%.
Dr. Ruth:Meander back to the love is blind, but I kept us on task. I kept us
Jenny:on got it. Task. We did it. We did it. Yeah.
Jenny:We it. Friend. Well, I'm
Dr. Ruth:a talk to you tomorrow.
Jenny:Exactly. I'll talk to you in about ten hours.
Dr. Ruth:Right. Okay. Love you. Bye.
Jenny:Love you too. Bye.