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In "Seeing Beyond The Illusory Nature of the World," we dive deep into uncovering the truth behind the world we perceive. Are your struggles and fears real, or just a projection of the mind? Discover how to see through illusions and live with purpose, clarity, and peace. This episode will challenge your perceptions and offer practical insights you won't want to miss. Join us and start seeing life in a whole new light! #PerfectMode #SpiritualAwakening #Mindfulness #ACIM
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What is Perfect Mode?
"Perfect Mode" invites you on a transformative odyssey to discover the extraordinary within the ordinary. Hosted by the dynamic duo of JClay, a rapper with a spiritual twist, and Troy Washington, a realtor with a mindset of abundance, this podcast is a sanctuary for those seeking to elevate their existence. Together, they explore the realms of personal growth, mental clarity, and spiritual enlightenment, offering unfiltered insights into living a life unchained by societal expectations. Tune in for your weekly dose of inspiration and embark on a journey to align with your highest self.
If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection?
JClay:Welcome to perfect.
JClay:Welcome to perfect. Welcome to perfect. Where there are no excuses, no expectations, and we explore the world without limitations. I'm Jay Clay, rapper, the spiritual teacher, with my co host Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. Let's be real, so let's be perfect.
Troy Washington:What up? Welcome to perfect mode. And first off, let me start by telling y'all that we love y'all. We're grateful for the opportunity to be anywhere, sharing our thoughts, hopefully, helping you realize that you are perfect. And the reason why, the reason why I can say that unapologetically is because I know that you are one of 1, numero uno.
Troy Washington:You cannot be replicated, duplicated. None of that. And the only reason you would think that you're not perfect is if you're looking at the person on the side of you and saying, I'm not them. But guess what? You are you, and that's all you need.
Troy Washington:And, of course, it's yours truly, Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. And I have my boy, Jake Clay, spiritual rapper and teacher, and we're about to jump on here to talk about to talk about seeing beyond the illusive man, illusory nature of the world. Man Yeah. I'm a tongue twister right there. But I got it because I'm perfect, baby.
JClay:Happy birthday, honey. Sunday. To all my perfect people in perfect land doing the perfect thing. Real quick, before we jump into this, well, first, you know, shout out to Patreons. Go ahead and click that link into the description to support perfect mode.
JClay:I I want to just kinda recap of last week because we're talking about the whole decluttering and and kinda, you know, simplifying our space, filling it with the things that are joyful. I was able to do this. I'm very grateful. Like, it it changed the course of my my week last week. I I I think I I got rid of some old clothes, just some little knickknacks and stuff, and books, which led me to some more books, which has been changing my life and stuff now.
JClay:But, just wanted to know your your experience with it.
Troy Washington:So well, I mean, you know, right when we got off, I literally started going and getting rid of stuff. And, funny enough, it was one thing that I also wanna touch on about the decluttering. Our trash runs on Mondays, but, I didn't wanna wait until Monday morning to do it. I wanted to put it out because I felt like, well, some of the stuff that I can get rid of, I'm pretty sure somebody will come and grab it. And, literally, I put, a TV outside.
Troy Washington:I put some toys that were Brody's that he doesn't play with anymore outside. And literally before, you know, night feel, all that stuff was already gone. Like, somebody came and got it. So just knowing that I was able to give something away that somebody wanted to use or was gonna use, I felt like was a big deal. But not only that.
Troy Washington:Just, you know, having more space for myself makes me feel better. And, I, you know, I even have it as, as an as a ritual for myself now. That's what I made a staple on Sundays. I wanna get rid of something else. So, yeah, man.
Troy Washington:It's it's definitely, it it definitely was a good feeling, and, I'm happy about what I was able to do last week.
JClay:Yeah. Love that. Yeah. And I I I highly recommend it. Again, check out last week's episode, and declutter, and let go of that stuff that you know is not bringing a smile to your face right now that's adding to the burden of just things.
JClay:So, yeah, let's talk about it, man. Seeing beyond the illusory nature of the world. The illusory nature.
Troy Washington:So so so I wanna I want you to go ahead and just dive in and tell me what were your thoughts when you first saw this this specific category topic.
JClay:Yeah. So I'm I'm a have to jump right in. I have to go in deep because there's a way that I I see the world now, and I also wanna continue saying it. Like, it is I I can't say that it's fully automatic now, but it's it's it's a reminding of to myself of this. And, essentially, your eyes are like projectors.
JClay:It's it's not so much that there's a world out there. You're projecting what's in the inside to the outside. Like, really, there there's only one relationship. It's you and god. And the stuff that you're reflecting from this projector, you're you're projecting your idea of god.
JClay:Or you could be extending god if you kinda align with who god is. And so a a a lot of times, we we see this world as we can see it as a dark place. We can see it as a place that we gotta work hard. We can see it as a place that is is full of challenges. And we forget that as the the one who is projecting, not with we think we're interacting with what's out there, but we forget that as the one that's projecting, we could change what we're feeding that projector so that it changes everything else.
JClay:And so it's almost like, how would you see God? How do you see God? Like, if I'm looking at you, I may not realize that I'm looking at God. If I'm looking at this wall, I'm looking at God. Like, God is everything there is.
JClay:And we have that relationship with with, I was gonna say he, but it's it's he and hers. It's the collective of of all that is real. And it's kinda seeing past everything else and and seeing that what we are seeing is how we want God to be versus how God really is.
Troy Washington:You know, so it's a couple things that come to my mind just hearing you, but also, you know, me thinking about the way that we perceive things. And, you know, growing up, I used to go to church all the time. And one of the things that, you know, I would commend most churches for is they always had this saying, come as you are. And the reason why I feel like that's prominent in this conversation is because, you know, when you when you even go on and describe that it when you're looking at me, depending on the way I perceive it, it's like you're you you you're seeing god, a construct of god, a spirit of god, like, however you wanna, however you want to interpret it. But when I think about the come as you are, I I look at that as an interpretation of God.
Troy Washington:You know what I mean? And and that's the reason why everything has to be acceptable in a sense. It doesn't mean that, you know, condoning things that are not of your character or or or or or that you think is right, but also not being a person that's judging things that you don't agree with. That's, you know, like I said, that's that's how I I hear it. But, when I when I think
JClay:oh, go ahead. No. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Troy Washington:Well well well, I guess I was gonna go on to say that, you know, I I've been testing, you know, this concept over and over again for weeks even prior to this being a topic on our show, and, you know, changing my thought process on what I'm looking at to see if I can redefine and, I don't wanna say just things, but just the way that I feel about it in a way that it affects my life. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. And and and what I'm saying too is not only okay. Put like this. From birth, a lot of us are taught to see the differences in everything. Like, look this.
JClay:What's this? What's this? What's this item? What's that? What's that?
JClay:And we start to learn how to identify things. We start to look for the separation. And but when you look at things, what's what's what does everything have in common? What unites everything? And that's god.
JClay:And so no matter what you're looking at, if it's if it if you're perceiving it as outside of yourself, it's god. Even if that's your worst enemy, even if if that's the person you think did the most heinous thing is because, again, you're separating things. You're you're defining, outline of energy, but it's really all one thing, and we can enjoy it as such if we choose to. But, again, it is based on what we think of the world. What we think of the world, we're going to experience until we stop thinking of that or or try something new and say, you know what?
JClay:God, how would you want me to see the world? How would you want me to to experience all of this?
Troy Washington:So the so this is the funny thing. Again, this is just me giving back what I hear you saying, but also my interpretation of it. And I don't think it's that we're seeing everything else as apart from God or not God or not that thing. It's we're seeing ourself apart from that because we're judging everything based off of how we feel. You know, one thing that I've always heard people say, prior to us doing this show is nobody's perfect.
Troy Washington:And so, like, I know from personal experience when I've said that it was because I was judging something within myself that I felt like should not be acceptable. And, when I saw people doing these things, I it made it easier for me to reaffirm what I already believed. Right? And so that's why, you know, to your point, you're right, but I think it's more about the internal or the person that we are that's making is which is the reason why our perception is the way that it is because they can't be perfect because I'm not. Go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Right. And and the thing is, like, when people say nobody is perfect, they are creating the circumstances, like you said, where nobody is perfect, not eating not even them themselves. And why would you wanna live in a world like that? I mean and and the and the thing is we don't always stop to think that we have a choice in the matter. We think that, you know, we have to take everything at face value as it is.
JClay:We think if if there was an event in our past that it has to define us right now. And that's the end all be all, but we don't even realize how much that even that, even the past events, we're still giving meaning to in this current moment. We're still seeing through those eyes that event, and we don't necessarily have to. We can reshape it to how we would wanna see it in our images. It's like we're looking at the void where everything is just shapeless without form.
JClay:We are the ones that give it form.
Troy Washington:Yeah. And and, again, to that point, like, it like and, yeah, I know we're saying the exact same thing because literally, you're putting the onus back on the person. And I think even in our topic saying, seeing beyond the illusory nature of the world, like, that illusory nature is all defined within. It's all, you know, what we have dictated at some point. And, again, just to bring myself back to the fold in it, like, there are things that when I was younger, I judged as wrong like I literally just said it is a it's a it's a bad thing and the craziest part about it at the point where I judged it a matter of fact let me just kind of give you a story One day when we were in college, this is, we we were in college and we, we went to a party.
Troy Washington:And if you know anything about a college party, when you show up, they make you drink at the door so that way you can get the discount because they know everybody, nobody has a lot of money to spend. So, we take shots at the door to get in for free. And then at this party, we, we, we, we, everybody's drinking trash can punch. Can you still hear me though? Yeah, I
JClay:can still hear you.
Troy Washington:I know my camera went out but, everybody's drinking this trash can punch and everybody's just kind of wasted at this point. And so, we get ready to leave and when we leave I I'm the person driving, and I know that I messed up, but everybody in the car is, like, completely just out of it. So on my way home, I have all these thoughts that come into my head. Now this is the elusive illusory nature of it all. I've said I could kill everybody right now because, of of what this thing has done to me.
Troy Washington:And so right in that moment, I deemed alcohol as the devil. Like, it's bad. It's the worst thing ever. But, you know, it's just kinda how my nature was because I was so afraid of what was gonna happen to everybody, even though nothing happened. So, from that point forward, I was like, no alcohol, forget it.
Troy Washington:Anybody that do it crazy. Anytime somebody said they did, it was crazy. Girls that I dated, like, you don't need to do this. I went through this whole 2 years of life where I was just like, no. Then fast forward, me and you go on a trip.
Troy Washington:And the first time I'm drinking again, after all of this time, I'm drinking with you. And I didn't wanna do it at that time, and, I went ahead and took the plunge. And I had the time of my life, but the circumstances were different. And I was able to reframe my thinking. But what happened is in the point of me reframing my thinking, I thought about all the things that I judged a certain way within that time frame, that 2 years, and I realized how much separation I even made more of myself because of me deeming something a certain way.
Troy Washington:Now, again, neither right nor wrong is what I'm saying, but I'm I'm just showing you how the the my perception of it dictated my life. It dictated who was there. It dictated who was gonna be able to, to to give to me, who was going to be able to help lead me, to who was gonna be able to be attached to me for that entire period. But go ahead, Jay. I'm gonna try to get my camera right while I'm doing it.
JClay:Yeah. So the thing is too with that, like, we often we often believe that oh, no. No. How do I say this? The thing is we're we're we're we've been taught a certain way to see the world.
JClay:We've we've been taught to see the differences and everything. And after years of doing that, how could we possibly come back to seeing the world as it really is? It like get get rid of all the illusion. And the thing is, that is technically too big of a burden for us to handle ourselves because again, we're so fixated in how we see the world. This is years of practice.
JClay:This is years of of all of this. And one of the things I'm I'm saying is that if you if you're willing to tap into a higher power that knows you will be guided fully. And but but to that, it kinda comes surrender and acceptance. Like, accepting the fact that, okay, I've lived the world according to this way, but I I'm still not getting what I wanna get. I'm not experiencing what I what I thought I should experience.
JClay:I'm still feeling these ill feelings. Like, that there has to be another way. And by being willing to say, okay. I I don't know everything. I need to tap into that higher power.
JClay:You you can be guided like the the same way you know that you didn't create yourself. Like, in a way you did, but at the same time, you don't know how, so you didn't create yourself. And by surrendering to that same power that created you, you can recreate the word of the the word of your dreams, the the the life that you always envisioned for yourself because you are the, again, the projector, the one who creates all of the world. Like, this world doesn't exist in this way without you looking at it a certain way. And if if we can remember that, it changes everything.
Troy Washington:And, you know, what's funny about that is that we we are professionals at surrender surrendering and accepting. We are all professionals at it because we surrender and accept something every single day. Even in my story, I surrendered and accepted a specific way of thinking within a moment's time. Like, it was like it was second nature. Then I changed that within a moment's time, like, it was second nature.
Troy Washington:But even in the the our day to day lives, like, no matter what that is, there is a there is surrendering and accepting what you deem to be the path no matter what. And I think that where the work is coming in is if you're feeling like what you surrendered and accepted to is not what you want. And, again, I I know that sometimes trying to determine that is a difficult thing. But the reality of it is, the one thing that I know that, like you said, one thing we all are is god, but one thing I I will equate that to is we all have a feeling. We all have these, this intuition, and you know when the way that you've surrendered and accepted is not what you really want.
Troy Washington:Even though you feel like it's what you feel like you have to accept. And I think that's where the work essentially starts. It's taking you know, being the professional that you are of finding out something new. Go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. Right. Because, again, like that, a a lot of times, like you say, we surrender to something that's outside of ourselves. Now, again, we're learning that nothing exists outside of ourselves because it's within that we're projecting outward. But if you're if you're seeing outward as separate from yourself, and then you're accepting something that's outside of yourself as law, like certain problems that people come into contact, like, I got this issue or whatever.
JClay:You're you're giving something to something that's lesser than you, because you are the creator of it in a way. And and again, like, and it's all about that remember. It's like, remember who you are. Remember your perfection. Remember what you are tied to.
JClay:And you can have a different relationship with everything, with everyone you've ever experienced, with everything, and it's like as you as you rewrite these relationships through the eyes of that higher viewing, so to speak, you have more waves of peace, more waves of joy, more waves of just, like, man, is is life too easy now? Like and and it's and then you can start stepping into the challenges that you really want to, but then even those you remember, oh, this is not even really a challenge. Let's just have some fun.
Troy Washington:So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you a question, but I'm I'm a hit something that you did say and I'm gonna tell everybody life is too easy but I understand why we feel like it's not number 1 but when you talk about projects because again I want to make sure we hit home on this seeing beyond the illusory nature of the word the seeing beyond the illusion like, what you're seeing. Like, if you were talking to a 12 year old, right, you, and you were talking about everything that we see as a projection of the way that we feel like things are, how would you explain that to them?
JClay:Yeah. I I would I would ask questions. Like, I, like, I would take something and say, like, what what do you see? You know, somebody may say a pen. Somebody, you know, they they could say say anything.
JClay:I can say, well, can't you make beats with this? You know, like, wouldn't that make it a drumstick? You know, and I would show them that everything you see, you've defined it. You gave it a meaning, whether somebody else told you that meaning or whether you just concluded it on your own. Probably wouldn't use the word conclude because I don't know if I knew what that meant at 12.
JClay:Maybe I did. Yeah. That's 12 years old. Thinking of a 6 year old. But, but, yeah, I I would make them see, and then I I would ask questions again about even problems that they have.
JClay:Like, you know, what's something that plagues you, and and what what about it gives you pause? And start asking them questions about that and and seeing if they can reframe it. And if they can reframe it and see it in a new light, then it never was what it once was. And even it it because it it would always stay the same. Like, if anything changes, it's not real.
JClay:And I know sometimes okay. Go ahead. Oh,
Troy Washington:no. No. No. No. And and I just wanted to say the reason why I I asked that that way.
Troy Washington:Yeah. It's not necessarily tied to my kids because, you know, this is a exercise. These are things that I I work on with them all the time. But, the reality is that even though I think that a a big portion of the people that listen to our show are adults, and are are wise beyond their own years, and smart, and they actually bring stuff to the table for us, we also understand that the understanding of the way that we perceive things is not necessarily the clearest thing to everybody. You know what I'm saying?
Troy Washington:Because, you know, I I always tell you, I I remember the time I remember the day when I realized this is I'm a tell you what's crazy about this. I remember the day when I realized that I was in control of everything. I remember the day when it clicked in my head, and I was looking in the mirror, and I was like, dang. And funny enough, just recently, I was outside playing basketball with TJ, and he was like, that I remember the day when I realized that I was a person. Like, he said that to me, and I was like, what?
Troy Washington:Like, and now, mind you, I was an adult. You get what I'm saying? So, again, the reason why I'm I'm saying this now is because I understand that the way that I talk to them and the way that I relay information will speed these type of things up. But I also think that having clarity on what we're saying, so that way it's not so far beyond, I don't like, what do you mean, bro? Like, I and I'm I'm not talking to you, but I'm just saying,
JClay:like,
Troy Washington:what what do you mean that I'm the constructor of everything that I have? You know what I'm saying? Yeah. What do you mean I've defined everything that I have? When I at some point, somebody told me that was a plate.
Troy Washington:I didn't define it as a plate. You know what I'm saying? And it's it's it's just the agreeance, the agreeance that that we don't realize that we have or we or we can separate ourselves from that agreeance as well, and that's the part that's, I think, a a a big challenge for people to overcome.
JClay:Yeah. I I wanna get back to to what you said your son said about, realize he was a person, but but using the word realize. Right? Real eyes. Like, we we we made it real.
JClay:We we made this thing real. Everything exists in our imagination, and we've made this this real world. We realized it into this physical reality. And when we brought it into physical reality, we started believing more in the physical reality than we do our imagination, because now we have people who live most most consistently to their knowledge consciously in the physical reality. And so they're telling you, like, no.
JClay:Physical is real. This is the only thing that's real. This your imagination, that doesn't exist. But even, like, when we hear about the the story of the conception of the world, it says made in his image, imagined, like and and everything we we experienced, we know this this this existed in someone's vision first, someone's imagination first, and then they figured out the tools or they brought in the tools into the world to to make it real, to realize it. And, again, we we switch we we made the effect, the cause, instead of the cause, staying the cause and the effect being the world we see.
JClay:And it's it's just a a remember or something like this. Don't forget about your imagination. Trust your imagination. Trust the the vision that you hold, that you want to be realized, that you can realize and then be real.
Troy Washington:Yep, man. And, you need and I I know you said you're gonna say something about TJ realizing that he was a a person, you know. But go ahead.
JClay:What what did he say? I I actually want to ask, what did he say?
Troy Washington:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He he literally again, it was just out of nowhere. And, you know, we were just kinda having a conversation.
Troy Washington:And he, like, I I remember the first day when I I realized that I was a person, and I I could I thought I think on my own. And I was like, you you know that day? And he was like, yeah. And I was like, well, that's that's pretty cool, man. You realize how much power you have now, and that's pretty much what I led him to, to think.
Troy Washington:But, again, you know, a a a lot of this is, you know, kind of predicated on the way that his life is now because, you know, the things that I always tell him is, you know, if you continue to be a good person, good things will happen to you. And, you know, just, you know, just kinda give you a little insight on him that you don't know, like, you know, he was he was voted in his school to be in the Hope Squad. And the Hope Squad is the kids that go and talk to people about suicide, like, helping them overcome that. Right? But then not only that, he was voted by his classmates as the president of the Junior National Honor Society.
Troy Washington:Like, re all this stuff happened recently. And then on top of that, he was, you know, he was, he made the debate team to be, like, the it's called United Nations debate team. So he's gonna travel from school to school to debate. All the way I'm making the football team, all the way I've been on the basketball team. You know, he got all of this stuff going for him, and then also getting nominated to be a ball boy for the Dallas Mavericks.
Troy Washington:And so I told him it's because of your of the way that you see the world. You, first of all, think that all these things can happen to you. That has to happen first. There are some people that have the same opportunity as you but think that there are things that can't happen. And, again, the reason why I kinda pull this stuff to the forefront for him is because sometimes we don't have the money to do stuff.
Troy Washington:Right? The actual money to that you would think that is real, that you've been taught that if you don't have money, you can't do these things. Right? But I've always showed him through these years that look what we've been able to experience with that money. Right?
Troy Washington:And so but in spite of that, that's been, given as a realization to him and his world. There's something on the background, our family, the way that me and you talk that's helping him to realize that, you know what? I don't have to be in agreeance with what everybody says. And, again, one of the things another thing that we touched on was we were talking about reviews again the other day, and he was like, they said this movie was this, and I said, I never listened to reviews. I said, because there have been plenty movies that somebody said was not a good movie, and I loved it.
Troy Washington:And I said, you don't always you never have to be in agreeance with what somebody else says. You come up with your own determination on it and then let that be the deciding factor. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. I love that. Shout out to TJ doing all the the big stuff. Yeah. And and and then that that's so true too.
JClay:Like, we about reviews because I I know you you said something about it in the other show as well, and I've been thinking about it how we let other people's views shape our own before we've had time to even think about how we wanna view it. And that that's the key thing. Like, it it's fine to to listen to others' views, but how do you wanna see the world? Like, really ask yourself not not you, but, you know, just anyone watching this. Yeah.
JClay:Like, ask yourself how like, if if if you can have the ideal world, how would you have it? And then just and just start looking at that because I know oftentimes we seem to live in a society where people wanna lock up people who don't share the same view that they they share. But by doing that in in a way, again, you lock a part of yourself up because you're saying it's not okay to express views that aren't in line with what the majority view is. And that that can be very hindering, but go ahead.
Troy Washington:And and 2, just to, you know, kinda add on to the illusory nature of it. Like, whenever somebody like and again, I know this for a fact because number 1, I don't like listening to reviews because I I won't purposely do it, but I will automatically subscribe to it. Like, I will literally automatically subscribe to somebody told me something about somebody before in rap. Right? I never listened to them.
Troy Washington:And then somebody else asked me about it, and I regurgitated what they said. And then in regurgitating what they said, I kinda somewhat assumed the same belief as them. Right? And it's it's it's it's the way that we operate. It it's it's just kinda the way that we move as people.
Troy Washington:That's the reason why a rumor ends up being a rumor because people will grab hold of something, and then they'll just continue to run with it. Not purposely, but it's just our nature. And funny enough, if you've known, you know, the entire time that we've been rapping, one of the things that you know that I never wanted to do was I never wanna hear your verse before I write a song. And the reason why is because in that, I come up with a determination on what I believe in. Right?
Troy Washington:And, fortunately, you know, I I get to write with one of the greatest artists in the world, which is you, but I listen to it, and I'd be like, man, dude, stuff is super tight. And so from that point, because of the judgment that I passed on it, I, in turn, start to pass judgments on every word that I say after that, which makes it more of a challenge for me to complete whatever it is I'm trying to complete. And so, you know, if you just think about life that way, whenever somebody, you know, somebody goes to be a realtor, right, and they come back and say, man, it was hard. I didn't have a belief in the beginning at at all. I just knew that there's a pathway that I take, and I take that pathway.
Troy Washington:I don't know if it's either hard or easy. But what goes on from that point forward is everything that I started to study is, like, I gotta remember this because it's gonna be hard. I gotta remember this because it's gonna be hard. I gotta remember this because it's gonna be hard. And it starts to make that trick much more difficult than it has to be because of the way that I've judged it or what I've made myself believe about it.
Troy Washington:Go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. And and and you if you woulda kept on on that path, you woulda realized that it was hard. And that and that's what's and that's what's, important about the word realize. Usually, it was people say, I realize something. They're saying it as it it's as if it's an absolute truth.
JClay:And it's like, no. No. No. That's just the truth for them based on the the trajectory that they're on, the projections that they're making, that they're affirming to themselves. I I shared this with you earlier.
JClay:I I wanna share with everybody. I was watching the legacy documentary on Hulu about the Lakers. And, you know, they were talking about just, you know, the the the championships and all of that. And, like, with with the Lakers for a while, like, they won championships, but they never won back to back. And they finally did it.
JClay:And then so now it was, like, with with, Kobe and Shaq and them, and it it was time for them that they won a championship. It was time for them to win another one. And, you know, everybody's talking about how hard it is to to win back to back. And, they interviewed Phil Jackson on it, who was the head coach at the time. And he said, yeah.
JClay:You know, it's it's to win back to back championships is and I I said before he could even say it, it's tough. It's difficult. It's hard. Special is what he said. He said special.
JClay:And, like, that just stopped me in my tracks because it's like, man, like because because there there's the even some things right now, even having this mindset, there are some things that I even still somehow deem them to be difficult things. And if I just replace that word with special, it changes everything about it. Like, it it now I'm wrapped into the experience of it. It it's not so much about even the outcome. It's just it's special.
JClay:And it it it that blew my mind.
Troy Washington:And so to me, that's where agreeance makes sense. Because you know that the agreeance to that simple word changes the whole dynamic of what you're trying to accomplish in life, no matter what. That's the reason why even earlier when I said life is easy, because I'm trying to reaffirm to myself that no matter what I've heard, like, there are plenty sayings that say the opposite. Like, I you you can look online, you'll find millions of them. Right?
Troy Washington:So whenever I hear the things that, that can shape the way that my illusory nature, the way that I see things, the way that I want my world to be, I subscribe to them. I try to make sure I yell them to the mountain. You know, I've I've told you this before as well. And, again, so so come back. Sometimes the challenge of overcoming those those, reviews is more than you want to take on.
Troy Washington:Right? And, you know, again, when I went to go take my real estate test the first time, when I was walking out the door, I was coaching the game. When I was walking out the door to go take the test, the assistant coach was like, so you want me to take over? I was like, yeah. He said, what you gonna do?
Troy Washington:I said, I'm going to go take my real estate exam. And he said, man, that thing is hard. My girlfriend failed it 7 times. In that moment, I heard what he said. I felt what he said, and I rejected it immediately.
Troy Washington:And I and I the way that I rejected it was I rejected it out loud because that's just the way Troy operates. I literally turned to him and said, I don't know what your girlfriend was doing, but I'm not failing 7 times. And now, again, that wasn't to down his girlfriend. That wasn't to down that was literally to tell myself what the the what the absolute truth was. And the truth was, I'm gonna pass this the first time.
Troy Washington:Now I wanna show you how there's a time when I didn't take that same subscription and it crippled me. And, I I went to school to get my loan officer license, and I haven't taken the test. I went through the classes. I passed the test in the classes. And before I and I and I was going through my process the same way that I normally would go through it.
Troy Washington:I said, okay. After I finish the classes, I'm gonna reread the book so that way I can go and I can pass the test the first time. This is the way that I think. And before I could go and take my test, 2 people that took the same class with me that I deemed as smart, that I deemed that would pass the first time, that I've described all these things within my own set without them knowing this is what I think about them. Right?
Troy Washington:Just like I told you you the you're the greatest artist. This is what I believe about you, and I would not accept anything else until you show me something different. Right? Well, these people called me and was like, hey, Troy. Both of them random, like, probably, I wanna say one day one day after the next.
Troy Washington:Hey, Troy. You wanna go take your attention yet? I was like, nah. Man, I failed that much. It was hard.
Troy Washington:I was like, for real? Nah. I'm not gonna fail that much. I'm a pass that much. That's what I told myself the first time.
Troy Washington:When the second person called me, the next day was like, man, Troy, I failed that much. It was hard. And in that moment it bit me it bit me and I knew it bit me because I wasn't able to overturn the thought process in my head in that moment and from that moment it crippled me from going to take the test. And, again, it was never hard. It was never gonna be a challenge.
Troy Washington:But from that, I kept going back to read the book over and over again, but I was mentally beat. And so, again, it's just it's it's one of those things that which is the reason why you have to grasp a hold of the things that are for you, that you know are for you in order for you to have the illusory nature that you need to move yourself where you're going. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. Shout out to shout out to Angela k Clay. She said, I completely understand I'm an artist and designer. I don't look at other people's artwork because I don't want to be influenced by someone else's work. Yeah.
JClay:And, and it it so the the the interesting thing with that because it or or to me in in a sense, like, we we almost cannot be influenced by by people's work, but I I do understand what you're saying. Like, we wanna we wanna make sure our vision is there first before we give way to to others' visions. And similar to that, like like, what you say, like, I I definitely appreciate the the compliments to it about being a great artist. I actually how how do I say this? When people give me either compliments or critiques, it's not that I reject them.
JClay:It's what again, what how do I see myself? Like, how I see myself for me is the most important thing. That even if a 100 people tell me something great, unless I I wanna accept that, I I want to see through the eyes of that, it wouldn't matter. Even if a 100 people told me something terrible, I'm like, oh, no. Y'all tripping because I know I know this.
JClay:This is I might not know other stuff, but I know this particular thing. And it it it's important that we we have that about our vision. Would that how do we wanna see the world? Like, make sure it we're clear with it, and we do what's necessary to uphold that. No.
JClay:Not not uphold, but to to continue to see through those eyes. Go ahead.
Troy Washington:So so it's 2 things here. Right? So so number 1, when I talk about myself, my belief in myself or what I felt like I could accomplish was not as strong as I thought it was at that time, which is the reason why I was crippled, number 1. Right? But when I go back and I and I and and I and I 100% wholeheartedly agree with you when you say that the feedback that I receive should not influence me.
Troy Washington:I have to know and
JClay:and
Troy Washington:and I'm I'm telling everybody else, you should know yourself who you are. That's first. Right? But the second part to this is the giving of the critiques. Right?
Troy Washington:Me telling Jay Clay the positive, whether he's ready to receive it or not, doesn't matter to me. I'm telling him what I believe to be true for him because well, not I ain't gonna say because. And now that's also something that could be true for me. That's also something that could be true for me because it's true for somebody else. Now when this person told me that they were failing the real estate exam, there was no belief that they could pass it, and there was no belief that I could pass it either.
Troy Washington:They didn't have the belief that I can pass it, so therefore, that it was there's it's gonna almost be impossible for them to ever get over that hump. And so a part of me giving people what I know to be true of them, number 1, not just to be telling anybody anything, is also to give myself a truth that I may not have believed in the first place. And then I'm gonna go on to say this as well. I told you this before also. I used to write a song, and I used to record it.
Troy Washington:And then when I listened to it, the first thing that I used to say was, man, Chardonnay and TJ and Chardonnay and J Clay gonna say this thing jammed. That was the first thought that came to my head. I couldn't wait for y'all to hear it to say because I just knew that y'all were gonna say that it jammed. Now I had a realization one day. I thought now again, in me saying this, it automatically assumed that I think that it jams too.
Troy Washington:Right? You would automatically assume that I've told myself that this jam or I assumed that it jammed. But there was also a lingering thought that if y'all said that it didn't jam, there's something in me was going to be broken. Again, this is all stuff that goes unsaid. And I told myself the last time I did there was I'm gonna send this to J Clay, but I know this song jams.
Troy Washington:No matter what, nobody can't tell me nothing about this. And that was a a stark difference in the way that I felt about it. That was a stark difference in the way that, it it actually started to come out, and it also was a freeing, freeing thing. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. I want I want to go back to what you were saying about, the giving of compliments that you give whether the the receiver is ready to receive it or not. What's important about that is, again, like you said, what you give, you receive instantly. Instantly. And and a lot of people don't realize that, like, when you're giving a compliment, like, if you're giving thanks for something, you can only give what you have.
JClay:So this means that you're full of thanks to give. If you if you give hurtful comments to someone, you you can only give hurt if you have hurt. And so you instantly also receive that hurt, not just for yourself of of what you're holding on to in that moment, but you see a representation of it on the other person's, face or just just just from the feedback that you're getting from the world that you just projected onto. And so, yeah, I I think it's important to remember that part of the equation too to share, always share what you want more of. To share is actually to keep.
JClay:A lot of people thinks to share is to let go that it's it's gone. Like, no. No. No. The more that you share something, the more you keep it, the more you affirm it, the more you make it part of of your your projection makeup, so to speak.
Troy Washington:And I and I I I will tell you a true testament of what we're saying. What you give, you instantly get. I I could tell you I haven't always been a person that was freely giving people uplifting advice in all corners that I was in. There was a time when I was just a kid and I wasn't worried about anybody else. Right?
Troy Washington:And if you go back to ask some of the people that I might have grown up with, they might say anything about me. They might say, oh, he was crazy, you know, but then you have some people that I've only uplifted, period. Like and if you were to go to them and say something about me from back then, they would be in awe, like, no. I don't believe it. There's nothing that you could do.
Troy Washington:There's nothing that you could do to make me believe that. Right? And the reason why I point that out is because once you start to set a stage for yourself, that's what your world instantly becomes. Because even those people that you would go back and grasp, and they have their own thoughts, just like you can you can have your own thoughts about people from the past as well. The moment that you come into their sphere and you get a whiff of who they are, you're you instantly change and so does the relationship, so does their life.
Troy Washington:And so that's why what you're giving off automatically comes back to you no matter what, but go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. Who who a person is to you in your life, You gave that meaning. You gave that definition.
Troy Washington:Real talk.
JClay:So they're they're they're only ever gonna be who you allow them to be. And it this is not saying that you have control over people. You just have control over your interaction with people. So, again, they can be whoever they wanna be when they're not in your presence, but in your presence, it's it's the the frequency you're allowing. Are you do you see them as a terrible person?
JClay:That's all you're gonna see of them. Do you see them as a great person to be around? That's all you're gonna ever see because that's what you're that's the vision that you're holding, that you're giving, that you're projecting off right now in this in this moment. And so it's it's very, again, it's very important to remember the choices that we have. And, like, I'm I'm not saying either way is right or wrong.
JClay:Like, you have to see people as great or not great. Like, you have that choice, and just remember that.
Troy Washington:But but but to your point, though, and and it's funny that this works out this way. And I and I'm with you. I'm not saying either. You're not supposed to be me. You're supposed to be you no matter what, anyway.
Troy Washington:So, you know, if you don't want to walk around and tell everybody they're great, you don't have to. But what I will tell you is if you have adverse thoughts around someone, about someone, that is only yours to own. So if you're trying to live a life of being comfortable, right, this is how I feel. If you're trying to live a life of being comfortable but you say certain people make you feel uncomfortable every time you're around them, whether you interact with them or not, you're gonna be uncomfortable. And that has any that has nothing to do with them.
Troy Washington:And, again, the thing that I I remember more than that, the people that I did not like at a time before, and some of the people that at a time that I didn't like, they don't even know that I like them now because I haven't been given the opportunity to let them know that we I like you. You know what I'm saying? We cool. But at a time before I stopped not liking them, every time I was around them, my life was tense. And that's never what I wanted, but go ahead, Jay.
JClay:But but but check this out about the, again, the the luxury nature of the world. So I I always hop on this book called A Course in Miracles. And, one of the things they teach is that, again, there are no private thoughts. And and another thing that they teach in that is, like, if you have a problem with someone, take some time out to just sit quietly, you know, close your eyes, get in a comfortable position, and wrap them in the most divine loving light that you can. And I've done this plenty of times, and I've I've had even situations of people where that I might have felt they did me wrong or something.
JClay:I've done this, and then literally in the next couple days, they may have called and apologized or something. Like, because I was already we're cool again in my mind even though I haven't verbally said anything to them. And I said this to say, I I know I shared this with you, Troy, last week, but I don't know if I shared it on the show. There was a person on the court that, we're gonna play basketball with. For whatever reason, it it was this new guy.
JClay:He just he just had this funny energy. Like, he was, like, slimy or something. Like, I I don't I don't know how to explain it. And we never were on the same team. We just, like we may have talked stuff or whatever.
JClay:But I was like, this is crazy, man. Like, me not liking the person, I've I've I've mended all my relationships where there's no one that I don't like or have a problem with. And it wasn't that I had a problem with him. So, anyway, I would take that time out, to just, you know, like, let me make sure I wrap him in this divine light. And then so last week, we ended up playing.
JClay:We were super cool, joking around and stuff, and it was like, what what was this between us? It was me. Like, it it was it was the energy that I brought. And we don't always wanna take ownership of the energy that we're bringing to situations. But, again, like, this there that's the illusionary nature of the world.
JClay:It's all you. It's it's the world is you and God, your cocreation together, but it's mainly predicated on by what you want to see and how you wanna see the world.
Troy Washington:So, man, I'm I'm a tell you how how dope that is as you just said, but I wanna read what Angela k Clay says. She says, Choice is one of the most powerful tools we have. And, you 100% right about that because we're choosing everything, and we don't even realize it half the time. But I like the fact that you said there was something about him. There it was some kind of slimy, like, slither like, something weird, and then you come to find out, again, and I'm not saying that you're any of these things, because I don't think that you're any of these things.
Troy Washington:But you said the energy was really just yours. And it's it's crazy that they now again, most people and I'm I'm telling you this, bro. You know this. Most people are not gonna ever come to the conclusion that that energy is me projecting. Most people won't do it.
Troy Washington:Like, that's the reason why we even get to have this conversation now because me looking at myself that way is a bad thing, number 1. No. Me looking at myself is not a that way is not a bad thing. Me looking at myself that way is a defining thing. It's a way for me to become the version of myself that I really want, and nothing's ever wrong with you looking at yourself to change yourself.
Troy Washington:It can't be. Right? And so I just think that it's it's dope that you took the onus off of the guy and say, you know what? It's all me. And the reality of it is the moment when you did that, the relationship changed.
Troy Washington:You know what I'm saying? The moment, the aura, the feeling, everything changed. And, again, you're not alone in this, bro. Every time look, bro, when before, when TJ was just a baby, right, And me and Chardonnay were fresh in our relationship, and we would argue all the time because we were trying to bring 2 worlds together that were different. Right?
Troy Washington:And, TJ would ask me sometime, what what what's wrong, dad? And I would tell him every single time, it's just me. It was just me, bro. I I couldn't I couldn't get that mug right, and I couldn't figure it out. Your mama was perfect.
Troy Washington:It was just me. And the you know, some listening to that might have felt like it was sarcastic. And even my internal being, in some sense, might have felt it was sarcastic. Right? But the reality was it was training me to stop putting the onus on anybody else.
Troy Washington:And and what's funny about it all, no matter how you look at it, sarcasm or not, it always solves the problem. And that's that that's what let me know the problem was always only in me. And I and I love the fact that you point that out. Go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. And and the what I love about the the divine light exercise is it's a it's a gentle way to go about it. And what I mean is, like, I've done the thing where I blame myself. And, like, in blaming myself, there was a negative connotation to it. Like like, I do this every time.
JClay:I'm no good. I can't believe I did it again. You know what I mean? Like, but with this, it's not even saying that it's your fault. I mean, it it it is, but it's not saying it.
JClay:It's just you're taking ownership of the energy that you want to have. You're letting that be the focus more so the focus of what you don't want. Like, a lot of times, we we focus on what we don't want and saying we don't want it, but we're still focusing, expanding our world in it because we're giving all that attention to it. This way is saying, no. This is how I would have it be.
JClay:This is how I want it to be reframed in my imagination so that no matter what the physical reality says, it is what it is. Like, it it it is how I see it. And it it makes me think of the the quote in the bible that Troy, you said it's I think you said it's your favorite quote. It's, how does what was your favorite quote, in the bible?
Troy Washington:More more blessed is he who believes and does not see?
JClay:Yes. Because, again, to me, like, I I feel like and this could be a misinterpretation, but there is no misinterpretation. How you see it is how you see it.
Troy Washington:I read that.
JClay:Is that that saying how I see it in my blessed is though are those who see it in their imagination how they want it, but not necessarily see it in reality. And to me, like, that's one of the most beautiful
Troy Washington:folks here. But, bro, like and, again, this is the truth of the matter. It it like, you're right. There is no wrong interpretation of that, Mud. Right?
Troy Washington:But what I do know, the reason why I love that quote is that at at some point and we're talking about physical the physical world. Right? There was nothing. And then somebody, like you said, had an imagination, and they saw everything. And then you can and and and and I'm talking about God.
Troy Washington:Right? And then there's all the things that we enjoy on a daily basis here on this earth. Right? And all of these things were nothing at a time, and then somebody saw it. And when it's when I more bled and and and and you can look at that as a relationship too.
Troy Washington:I don't have a relationship with this person, but I will have a relationship with this person. Right? More blessed is he who believes and does not see. Even though it's not there, I can make it be. And, that's the reason why I love it because it translates to everything.
Troy Washington:Like, you know, when when when we when we're on this show and we talk about all the things, we're we're always talking about the projection or things that we the way that we would like it to be. Well, we're we're talking about what we haven't realized is at that moment. And when you start to believe in what you haven't been able to realize, it'll always come. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. Like, one of the things about, like, salesman those who are great salesman, they always say the same thing. I have to sell this to myself first. And that's true about your vision of the world. Like, what whatever it is you're trying to do or trying to experience that might not be or that you think is not happening right now, convince yourself, see it in your imagination, see it so vividly that, again, it has no choice because people people wanna see what you see.
JClay:When they see how passionate you are about something, they wanna see, like, okay. Where is this person getting his passion for from? Like, what is this? And that they're willing to listen. They wanna see.
JClay:And once they share in that vision, it makes it so much easier for it to to then become a reality. Because it can mean that that's really what reality is. It's just shared vision. We're sharing a vision. That's why like attracts like where like minded people come together.
JClay:Like, even even the so called despicable things that you hear, I wonder, like, man, how do these people find each other to even know that they could do this kind of behavior together? But it's just a natural order of things. Like, you're drawn to those who who have a a like minded vision. So, again, it by changing your vision, you can change who who you're attracting or the kind of circumstances and world that you're living in and attracting.
Troy Washington:And and I'm a I'm a add to that. You have to believe You have to believe. You have to believe. You know, faith is is is big in what we're talking about. And, again, you live it every day.
Troy Washington:That's one thing I I would I I like about Bashar. I know you, you know, you be on Bashar too. And, you know, one of the things that I know he says, like, you you whether you agree to this or not, you're in agreeance to it. It's just it's just what it is. You believe that you can have everything you have now, which is the reason why you have it, and that includes the problems.
Troy Washington:You believe the type of problems that you have or the type of problems that you can have. Like, you don't believe that you have problems that a millionaire has, so you don't have those problems. And so, like, start having the faith of what you really want. Like, subscribe to what you want even though but even if it doesn't look the way that you think it's supposed to look, because you don't know how it's supposed to look. Think believe it's it's it's gonna look a certain way and just go with that.
Troy Washington:See how it turns out. Well, go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. And and the the important thing about belief, like, I I love saying this, believing is be living in. So be living in that and what what that means is, like, some people may say they believe that peace is important, but they're not living in it when something chaotic happens because they they match that chaoticness instead of maintaining the peace. So then they're not so they say they believe it, but you can see in their actions because they're not living it in these moments. So believe is to be living in it.
JClay:Be living in your vision. That that vision that you have, that imagination of of how you want the world to be. No matter what comes up, hold that vision, reflect that vision so that that situation is like, oh, shoot. I gotta change the situation if I wanna come and be around this person. So, yeah.
Troy Washington:Yep. And shout out to Angela k k Clay. You don't even realize that you are making us better and I truly believe that. So I appreciate you for giving us your commentary on on everything. And man, look, you know, if I can't, you know, reiterate anything on the show, action, you know, you you have to start somewhere.
Troy Washington:And, you know, I know that it is easy to start because we start new things all the time. I know it's new, and we might be reluctant to do that, but just start trying to envision things, differently than you see them now if you want something to change. And something simple is enough you enough you said in the show was look at pick up something. You know, you got a pen and say, okay, I know that it's a pen, but what else could this be? And those are just simple exercises to get to bigger things.
Troy Washington:I know this is a show about being perfect, but what it it could be a show about, opening your eyes. It could be a show about, 2 brothers, you know, going on a journey together. It could be a show about a a 1000000 different things, and just realize that you don't have to always be in agreeance with what's been told to you before. But, you know, that's all I got, Jay, and I just tell everybody like I always, you know, real remember, the only reason you would think that you're not perfect is if you're looking at somebody else and saying you're not them, but you are perfect. Your journey is your journey.
Troy Washington:Your journey is okay. Your journey, the way that you experience life, it could be a testimony to somebody else to experience life their way as well. But go ahead, Jay.
JClay:Yeah. But what I what I say too about, just perfect mode about the just the idea of being perfect is that once you realize your part in the world and how it's only reflecting what you're bringing to it, you realize that this system is perfect. Like, this is this is perfectly perfect. It's not that we get what we deserve. We get what we give.
JClay:We get what we give attention to. We, like, we we continue. So, like, again, like, forgive equals forget. A lot of people say, man, I'll forgive, but I ain't gonna forget. Then you're not forgiving because you're only doing one half of the equation.
JClay:And you're you're holding this person to this that you said that you forgave them for, and so you're never free from it. You're you're stuck in this world where you can be a victim, where things can go wrong for you instead of again reshaping this idea. So so yeah. Yeah. I I I I ended that that way there as well, and just like to thank everybody that joined us.
JClay:Thank you. That's my aunt, Angela. And yeah. Just appreciate everybody. Any any any final words, Troy?
Troy Washington:No. That's it, man. It was it was a it was a good show for myself because I always love to, reenergize myself and what I know. And the reality of it is my reality is my reality, man. So, yeah, I'm good with it.
JClay:And just remember, you're a perfect creation made by a perfect creator, so you might as well accept your perfection and enter perfect mode. Yeah. If I reminded you that you are perfect, would you argue me down or step into your perfection?
Troy Washington:Welcome to perfect.
JClay:Welcome to perfect. Welcome to perfect. Where there are no excuses, no expectations, and we explore the world without limitations. I'm Jay Clay, rapper, spiritual teacher, with my co host Troy Washington, your friendly neighborhood realtor. Let's be real, so let's be perfect.
JClay:Perfect. Perfect. Perfect. Perfect.