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Speaker 1 0:30
It's the standout doors.com with Mike Hayes and Dave Baker, our special guest, Joey Bobak. Joey Bobak, Hunter extraordinaire, Mike. Mike refers to you as the scent nut. Maybe, I don't know if we can say scent Nazi, but scent nut. Oh, no, are you? Are you the scent nut? He says you're nuts with this stuff. Is this true?
Speaker 2 0:55
Well, yeah, well, actually, back in Well, Mike and I started my in the 80s. Bow, honey. Finally, you know,
Unknown Speaker 1:02
you might be that old, I'm not that
Speaker 2 1:07
well, we started getting serious with alley. College was 1980 because I remember I graduated and then really started to pick up the bow. But Mike's father in law, Bob Vogel, and my dad, the first thing that they taught us was they were hunting out of trees with no tree stands with belts, talking about scent control. Yeah, that was the early scent control that stuck in my head. They were doing that, yeah. So we knew that that was what they put in my head. Actually, was to be able to beat a deer's nose is the only way to do it from early on. That's, you know, was instilled in my head because and to start to respect how the deer's nose was. It's incredible. We started just incredible. Like I unless you're out there, you just don't even understand how well they can pick you up, and how far away they can pick up human scent. So I had to try to figure out a system, because back then, there was no systems other than Dave. I'm going to date myself. We would have cedar trees, pine trees, cut off the limbs, stick the clothes in the plastic bag, yeah, there was some liquid Earth scent that we put in 35 millimeter vials,
Unknown Speaker 2:32
yeah, the little canisters,
Speaker 2 2:34
yeah, cotton, and squirted through it all together. That's old, yeah. Then we took the boots. Same thing. Take a pair of rubber gloves, get the earth set, and just rub it all over the boots, all over it, just soak it and then stick it in the container. And then don't touch them. To your hunt. I mean, that was Oh baking soda. Oh yeah, baking soda, right? Baking soda was the master. Baking soda in your pants, in your boots,
Unknown Speaker 3:06
yeah, the things we do the
Unknown Speaker 3:08
deer do not appreciate it.
Speaker 2 3:12
So that's, you know, that was the early days, the way, you know, we, you know, had to figure out, you know, there was no, not much, not much material on it on that. That was just dad and Bob's philosophy. You got to beat the nose. Here's the things that were out there. And pretty much play the wind. Pretty much play the wind. A buck will not walk. A big buck will never walk his back to the wind. Really, he's always going to, that's how he got so big. He's always going to be into the wind, so figuring out how to hunt those angles. But yeah, so I had a routine back then. It's almost, I still almost have it to this.
Speaker 3 3:53
Joe your routine is much more involved than that, that's for sure, so well and a little more expensive.
Speaker 1 4:01
So Joey, walk us through the changes that you've that you've had now. You know, back in the 80s, it was pine, pine smell and baking soda, but so and we know that the industry has provided us with many more options now and many more tools to get us to be a little more you know, scent acclimated in the woods. But what, what have you done, and what kind of things have you added to your routine, that that kind of gets you there, that you feel like I think I'm in a good spot for this hunt?
Speaker 2 4:34
Well, the advent of scent shield came out. That was the first one scent shield came out with the spray and poos. They came out with that product that was the move from baking soda now to really just wash your hair. Do the same things, do the whole body, shampoo, do the whole clothing and shower. We got morning hunts after. Noon hunt, shower before the morning hunt, shower before the afternoon hunt. I just really try to eliminate the scent. Change the clothes. Now, if a seven day hunt, I would have 14 pairs of underwear, exchange one each hunt for 28 pairs of socks. For my two pair of socks. I change them out morning afternoon. They're done, thrown in the bag, and then I'd have underwear, 14 sets of long underwear, underneath there, and just remove them, throw them in the bag and the next one, then I'd have my morning and afternoon or warm weather, cold weather outerwear. So that's that is to this day, I still do that.
Speaker 3 5:39
Oh, I know it believe me when we go, whenever we go hunting, you know, Ohio, Kentucky, wherever we're going, I got to run a U haul, just for Joey's underwear.
Speaker 1 5:52
Well, Joey, I think too, you know, the industry's put out some really good clothing now. That really helps, even, even if you can't do all the steps, some of the clothing that's come out now really does shield a lot of hunters from any odors getting out beyond your skin. You know?
Speaker 2 6:13
Well, you know what that's here's from 80 to 92 before set law came out, sent law came out, 90s. Okay, that came out, and, you know, it was the big rave. I jumped all over it, and, you know, worked with it. But what I found, though, believe it or not, even to this day, I found that it does not eliminate what it does. It just makes you them think they're not as close to you as they think you are. But does not eliminate. Never seen it eliminated. You get downwind. I'm set, locked up. I'm everything. Boom, they hit it. There's frozen. No matter what I put on my boots, no matter what I've had bucks go right into my trail. Boom, go, you know, they just pick it up. So those, those, I use them. But what was starting to happen, I saw that we were starting to get lazy in the scent control routine, because almost like it was short cutting, yeah, yeah. So it was a kind of a shortcut. I'm like, Well, I don't have to shower this morning. I can. I'm wearing scent lock. And then sent shield came out with, forget the wind, just hunt. Yeah, actually have, I actually have a sweatshirt saying, forget the wind, just hunt. Well, that
Speaker 3 7:37
with the spray ons and stuff, right? And rumination,
Speaker 2 7:41
yeah, and then scent lock and sensual combined with the scent lock clothing, right? And then the anti micro bio, biology, you know, the anti micro silver stuff, all that stuff came out. You know, I tried it all. Pretty much. I still go with the 14 pair of socks. I still wear, I still go with the shower. I still get now.
Speaker 3 8:08
Joey, what do you think about the ozone generators? I know you use them. Tell me about how you use them, and what do you think about them?
Speaker 2 8:16
Well, I haven't used the big ozonic so since shield had one that I was economical, and I started playing with it. I got a past couple years, I got a closet in my garage, hung it up, used that, took it into the field with me, took it with me, and it's the same results to me. I think it now, here's another one, suburban deer and mountain deer, my goodness, how they
Speaker 1 8:43
react to so different? Yes, I agree. Yeah. So the
Speaker 2 8:47
suburban deer, I think using these products, you really get away with a lot, yeah, kind of because they put in the mountains. I don't care. They smell you, man, you're boom, they're gone, yeah, they're done, yeah. They're not used to it at all. So suburban deer, we kind of get away with a little bit more. I think, because their areas are smaller, they don't have much room to move to. So in that respect, the ozone one, I mean, I was researching over the years, and what I found is the atomic, you know, part of the particles is what it has to kill, and there's really ozone. Ozonics is the only one that says it kills it, but mostly it's from the molecular end. You know, on a scientific end, and it's really hard, they say, to kill the atomic part of your set. It just kind of ozonics hooks it on to some other kind of molecule to make you not smell like a human. But and it's the open air, though you're blowing everywhere, you know, it's, it's still, it's still very hard, I think, to cover up your scent. You know, you can not. It might be, I would think it improved us, maybe 50, 60% maybe. But that 40% that's the older bucks, that. Live to four and a half five years old, they don't get killed for reasons. Yeah, so that's so from that point, I just think that a lot of the new products and the new clothing have taken away a lot from woodmanship. A lot of the younger kids, younger you just, hey, I don't have to have that Woodsmanship going out there and seeing which way the wind, see where the thermals are going, see how the land contour is taking your scent, where it's going, you know, setting up your stands. And I think a lot of that has been taken away a little bit, you know, not to say that you know. You know people kill Big Bucks all the time wearing cent lock and ozone. It happens. But in our experience, you know, it's, it's, you know. Mike said, you know, not that. I haven't. I've had a lot more experience. Mike's nickname for me is the unluckiest, Lucky. So when I started doing all I got some big bucks in front of me, but I was, I was a, not a good Archer. It wasn't a good I got a little panicky. Missed a lot of nice bucks, you know, had them in front of me, though. So that means the system worked, but didn't deliver, you know. So, you know, I should have about four or five Pope and Young's at least, the evolution of it has been pretty interesting. But again, I think it's just a false sense. You know, a big buck does not want human intrusion period. I mean, that's, that's just it. And you just can't have that, that human intrusion and and that goes for the same control. When you're getting putting your, you know, your feeders out, you're putting your hammers out, things like that, I think is all important. How you just rubber gloves, rubber boots, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3 11:59
How about Joey, the difference between, like, early season when, when it's really hot, you know, and you're sweating like crazy, and maybe you have a long walk into your stand, or whatever, you know. How do you how do you deal with all that?
Speaker 2 12:17
Well, along with those 14 pairs of everything. There goes a shirt, there goes some long underwear in the pack. So you were some products, you know, like there's some products with foam. Just got it foam down. You got to change. If you're getting sweaty, change. Have a plastic bag in your pack. Take the clothes off. You're sweaty, but really dress down best you can, and then swap out. You know, swap out because I'm too freaked out about the,
Speaker 3 12:52
oh, the scent control. So you take so when you're walking in to your stand, yep, early season, well, maybe even, even in late season. But you have a long you have a long walk, and you know you're going to sweat. Do you actually take off clothes and just carry them in and put them
Speaker 2 13:11
pretty much just, pretty much a t shirt, if I can, is that already, I've already just went in with long underwear and just put the pants right?
Speaker 3 13:21
I think, I think that was actually they thought you were, you're about six, six, aren't you? And I think, I think we got some cameras that got you, and they thought you were Sasquatch or something coming in with those long, those brown long johns.
Speaker 2 13:39
Yeah, there's a little bit of that. But, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's now, it's now, you know, I almost think now, if you're it's all about stand placement and the winds, you know, the wind angle, the winds and not that you can go in, we increase our odds. But if you got a good win, your stands on a good downwind side with the bucks, or, you know, want to go, and you're letting them go into the wind, and you got yourself set up on the downside, I think that is most more important than all of it. I believe at this point it's, stand placement with the prevailing winds, right? Because I've seen deer go upside down, you know, just walking down, ready to get a shot, and all of a sudden they get a whiff, not even from not even just a term for a second, and they got it, they just freeze up and lock up. Man, it's just amazing to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 14:45
So, give me your basic rundown. Okay, we're, I mean, I've seen this in action. So we're out on a hunt. We're at white white tail heaven outfitters out in in Ohio, maybe this time, you know. And. And you're getting ready to go, and you're, you know, you're going to have a morning hunt. So you're getting ready. What do you do that night before, and what, how do you get dressed, and what do you do when you get in your stand? Give us a rundown. Give us a play by play.
Speaker 2 15:15
Well, my idea would be, I don't like shower tonight before. I didn't get enough because I just think all that still get all the sweat from sleep. And I, if it was my, my goal would be, get up, get some breakfast, then get a shower, spray down, wipe down, with all the products I can under or, you know, under under arm, deodorants, old deodorants, all the powders that came out, sent away. Has them now, sent you. There's all different products now, just to eliminate. And then from there, take that fresh pair of underwear with a little powder, shirt with a little powder.
Speaker 3 15:53
Well, wait a minute now, if I remember, you have a special bag that you put these in, right? Oh, yeah, tell them all that stuff. I see it, and I go, I just got this duffel bag, but you got this special scent, lock, ozone, whatever.
Speaker 2 16:13
Now I use the I have a box which has carbon. It has lined with carbon inside that you regenerate, and then hook it up to the bottom of your of the lid, and then stuff all the clothes in there, right? You know, at this point, then I have a carry bag with the same kind of carbon. It's like a sheet, a big, wide sheet, that goes in with the set lock carry bag. So those where I store at home, I have everything stored in a scent lock closet with the ozone, you know, like a big closet with an ozone generator right
Speaker 3 16:51
now, do you wash all your clothes in that special keeps that glowing light from being on it, right? The effervescent, whatever they call that stuff, the light.
Speaker 2 17:02
Wash, everything. Yeah, everything. If you start from the beginning, I wash all my clothes in the scent, shield scent, whatever. You know, the products I look at right now, to me, it really doesn't matter. They're all kind of the same. And then I just get them, and then I put them away. And then when the sun season goes now, the same way. I don't put them in, I don't put them in with pine cones and all. They're just going in with the ozonic.
Speaker 3 17:24
Okay, do you do you believe that stuff about that glow, that normal detergent will, like the deer can pick up that blue glow? That is,
Speaker 2 17:34
I saw that with UVs and all. Yeah, I try to make even though I don't know for sure. I still don't use, I'm not using UVs, yeah, I mean, I take, I think I take a little bit of everybody's stuff that I think, that I might think might work, you know, scientifically and, you know, practically, too, at the same time, right? And if it works, you know, it's worked for me, not if I killed a million big bucks, but I've gotten into some good situations where I should have been killed a whole bunch of bucks, you know? But, yeah, the little bucks, forget it. They, they walk by like it's nothing, right? It's amazing. A young, one and a half, two and a half year old buck, easy peasy. I mean, it's, they just don't have that, I think, portion and knowledge of looking for a hunter at this point. But, yeah, so that routine still, you know, still. So we start with the washing, with the store, and then, you know, we get up in the morning, showered, and we start putting, you know, the undergarments on. And then we start putting, taking everything out of the container, trying not to, I love, make sure I do it outside the best I can get dressed as much clothes I can on, outside, boots, outside, everything outside the truck, everything that's not inside the camp. So if we can keep it in the pickup, bows everything. I just want to keep it outside and just let it be air, the air. Just, you know, keeping gasoline, coffee, bacon and eggs, you know, all drives me nuts when I like. If we get done, honey in the afternoon and we want, you know, we're gonna go back out not make it back to the cabin. I still have that bag that sent out. Bag. I take all my photos off, put it in the bag. Everything goes in there. I have a pair of some kind of shoes, and I have a whole change of clothes. And we go get lunch at wherever. Then we go back in the field, and I get redressed again, right? You know, with the whole with a whole nother set, because I have two bad one for the morning and one for the afternoon. I'll reset everything with all a change of clothes so no gasoline, nothing gets any access, right? You know you're exactly
Speaker 3 19:53
you're talking about. I remember doing a little research on this, these three different types of odor that we have to look out. Out for. And the first one is factoral odors, which is your body and your sweat. Yep, the metabolic odors. The second one here is what you ingest. Yes. Now I know you never eat anything that's Italian or whatever, spicy or whatever. I know that. And then the last one is ambient, ambient odors, which is like what you were saying, gasoline, you know, the odors from life, you know, gasoline, smoke, that kind of stuff. So, but, yeah, you won't eat. I want to go eat some Italian or something.
Speaker 2 20:32
Well, when we first started, honey, Michael, remember we would be your dad's place, yeah, Bob's place. And we bring each bring a meal, and we would share it over the seven days, right? Two meals, lasagna and meatballs, Oh, yeah. Then I started research, and that stuff's coming out of my body, like, right? So then we started going super bland, yeah, super duper bland. We went from big, hearty food
Unknown Speaker 21:00
Okay, okay, chicken and more chicken.
Speaker 2 21:07
I still think that way. But when we go on these hunts, they got all the food there. And it's a guided hunt, it's
Speaker 3 21:13
like, oh. And those guided hunts, they're like, the spice go, Well, hey, but wait a minute, Joe, what was your favorite meal when we got together? You remember when we got together with our you know, my father in law, your dad, and we go to dad's house? Oh, come on. You know, there was one special one,
Unknown Speaker 21:36
chilies. We had no come on.
Unknown Speaker 21:39
I spent so much money that year,
Unknown Speaker 21:43
restaurant, when we went out
Speaker 3 21:45
now, I brought lobster tail. Remember that it freaked you guys out. You were freaking out.
Unknown Speaker 21:55
Yes, must
Speaker 4 21:57
have been a good year. That year, right, right? We had a good he painted a lot of houses. That's right,
Unknown Speaker 22:03
yeah, forgot it. Joey, I feel bad
Speaker 2 22:09
years, man, a lot of stuff we try. A lot of stuff, we just experimented with. Yeah? So yeah. You know, one of the things right now, though, because there is times that we were pressed for time. And one of the things I really liked a lot, sent lock came out with those not sent lock Central had them big body wipes. They, man, they I like that, because if we did get stuck, I went to bed, showered at night, we just had to put at a place where was one bathroom, right? Those things were great. And they stopped making them. I found a few over the years on, you know, on eBay. But there was a big wipe, wipe yourself down. It was, you know, not a sure cup you already shower the night before. But they just took all that, that that scent,
Speaker 3 22:56
sweat was everything, yeah, wet and everything, the factoral odors. I got my my lingo down now, you know,
Speaker 2 23:05
yeah, so it's a process, if you really but you know, when it comes down to it, you know, human intrusion on a big, if you're on a big, mature buck, is is paramount. You know? You know, they stay and that's why they make it. They live so long. They actually make sure they don't smell human scent. They live where there's no human scent at all. Though they're behind these, these supermarkets, they're hanging in these little plots that no one hunts. You know, they creep out every once in a while, and consistently. I think that's the way you have to present all these things help. They help reduce again, I believe how close that deer thinks you are in that situation and suburban I think you get away mountain. Forget it. What?
Speaker 3 24:01
Would you say to all of us on a fixed budget? You know, we can't afford scent lock on every layer that we have and and then five different, separate, you know, clothings of that. But what do you think is the most important thing that you would say that will give you that you know, ability to be undetected.
Speaker 2 24:25
Well, your body, first of all, get your body clean. Keep everything clean. Your body and keep your clothes clean, whatever your way. If you only have five sets, keep them clean, rotate them. Try to keep only that five sets, one set per day, yeah, yeah. If you have that, then just keep them clean, rotate them, freshen them up. You know, somebody keep outside, keeping the containers. I think they're, they're, they're the best, I think, options that you have on any kind
Speaker 3 24:56
of in other words, that guy that says he has 12 pair underwear. And then he tells you, January, February, March, April. That's not a good
Speaker 1 25:05
Well, I think too. And you said, you said to Joey, really, the other main factor is positioning. Where are you setting up? Are you playing the wind? Are you playing the valley? You playing the thermals? I think that'll, that'll help you exponentially be more successful that, like you said, the other things are great to have, and you should go through those, some of those processes, but positioning in your hunt is probably ranks higher than that.
Speaker 3 25:33
And how about thermos? What would you say about that? Joey, how do you deal with thermos? And what are they when you're thinking about the wind, you
Speaker 2 25:41
know, well, if you got your, you know, your Orr apps now have all this stuff which way the wind's coming from. I use, I use Moonstruck. I use, you know, the moon, the moon one with Adam David, Adam Hayes. Adam Hayes, you gotta get, yeah, I use them. I use them, you know, I look at them, but the thermals,
Unknown Speaker 26:09
I think, explain what they are first,
Speaker 2 26:11
okay, we might have a west wind just blowing west, west, west, west, west, fine. However, that west wind, depending where your stand is, in valleys on top of the hills in ravines bouncing off the mountains. Okay, that's just the way the wind contours. Now, the thermals in the morning, they rise with the heat, okay? Thermals or rise, they'll go uphill, so to speak, yes, yes. And also, if you're on edge of field, they can rise up and then suck out to the field. If the field's warmer than the woods, okay, it can be rising and sucking out to the field, you know, especially if you're hunting the woods, and morning hunting and coming right. And then in the evening they drop. They just drop like wildflower I know. They drop all the way,
Speaker 3 26:59
and it can totally change the direction of what the wind is saying that's going, especially if it's a light wind like it can, it can move that wind. So you got to keep an eye, keep an idea where the thermals are going to take your wind. Okay?
Speaker 2 27:16
And that's the hard part. When you're hunting, hunting with an outfitter, you just don't, you don't have the knowledge of that.
Speaker 3 27:22
They just put you in the stands. They can't guide the guy. Joe, you know
Speaker 2 27:26
how many times I sit in the stand, I go, Oh my goodness, this is where they're coming. Here's what's going to happen. I'm going to get busted. Yeah, it's like, okay, don't guide the guy.
Speaker 3 27:38
And you know, a lot of times you won't see those big buck until it gets colder, right before dark, and those thermals thermos are taking effect. So you have to think about them and and how they and when you place your stand, how, how it might affect it right before dark, which is when you usually have the shot at the big board, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2 27:57
And that's, you know, that's the other thing. He's surviving, yeah, four or five years of hunting, you know, he's, you know, that's what he's living on. He's living on his nose. Man, that's so you get that in perspective, his nose is what he survives by. How do you beat his nose? Okay? And for us, it's like Dave said, like fitting those angles, getting those stands on the downward side, getting where, you know, but then again, the thermals drive you nuts. They do.
Speaker 3 28:27
I tell you, I've noticed. I've noticed too that if you have a perfect win, you know, that's blowing right in the face of where you think the bucks are coming out. I usually don't see bucks in because it's too good. You know what I mean? Like, I mean not blowing it blowing up their butts. You know, the wind's blowing up their butts, and they don't like that, and you're probably not, it's a good win for you, because they're not going to pick your scent up. But they don't like walking with that wind blowing right up at their back, you know? And so you and I have learned over the years that usually try to figure out the predominant wind and how it's blowing. And you set up a couple stands where you can try to catch the edge of that wind, you know, like, like, like, they usually will quarter the wind as they're coming in, the wind to be hitting them, like, in, in, like, quartering into their face where they they can, they can see, you know, pretty much, what's going on. But then they can smell. And they can actually, especially in the during the rut, they can do those scent checks along the field edges and stuff. So they'll, they'll walk in quartering the wind, but to walk right in, have have the the wind, you know, going up their butt, and have it perfect for you. You're probably, and I've seen that you you never see a big buck come in when the win is perfect. So you got to have it. You got to play the edges of the wind, which is pretty difficult, but you got to do it if you want a big one.
Speaker 2 29:50
Yeah. Well, that was our biggest mistake over our early days, because Bob and Bob and dad really didn't understand that, right? What they taught us was get behind. Like that. Get in there, the wind's going in your favor. Yeah, and never saw Big Bucks. We never did. We really never did. But that in their philosophy was to get on that, go in face, put your stand in the wind's gonna blow you in the face. You're coming out to the field. But never did we kill a big buck with that kind of strategy. Ever?
Speaker 3 30:18
They don't like that win. And when you're dominant, your big does you know the five year old does you know they're sometimes smarter than the bucks? They won't come in
Unknown Speaker 30:26
that way. But don't let me get started with them.
Speaker 3 30:30
You got to get that big old doe and that one that every all the other ones follow after, because she's smarter than that. That's the first leap that goes in the freezer.
Unknown Speaker 30:43
You will ruin your season. Yeah?
Speaker 1 30:45
Well, Joey, thank you so much for hanging out with us. We'll have you back again. And thanks for all your insights on,
Speaker 3 30:51
thanks for being a lunatic with your Senate control. We love it.
Unknown Speaker 30:54
We love a lot of good tips,
Speaker 2 30:56
a lot of good tips. So much. Appreciate you having me on. Yeah? Stand outdoors. Love you guys.
Speaker 5 31:01
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Speaker 1 31:06
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