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A safe place to share, celebrate and unpack life's journeys.
Join us and special guests to discuss all things close to our hearts.
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Linda
Here we are back again, episode 16. And we got a great guest with us today, Glenn Barry I will just start with you introducing yourself and your mom and how you're connected to Preston. And I.
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Glenn
To,
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Linda
Hang out a little.
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Glenn
Bit. Yeah. Way. Yeah. When. Andrew. When Barry's. When I'm, Come on. Go more. Go. Mauroy mob. As good. A bit funny because, tongue twister. I'm just thinking, Preston, when I first met Preston, I heard it was from Tinga. I'm thinking. That's our connection. You know? And then Linda, back in the day, I think, cheese.
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Glenn
When you were at Tiff back in the day, I met you at the in a in, indigenous gardens. Ashmore. That I don't know what that was. What century or decade that was yesterday.
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Linda
Thanks, mate.
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Glenn
Yeah, but then.
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Glenn
For the I guess, the connection is, you know, as we say, get dewy hot. And so, you know, when you meet people that you feel them and, and, and and you're being felt in reciprocal reciprocity. You know, I think that's the sort of the relationship that we built up over the time. Yeah. To be real, to be honest, to be true, you know.
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Linda
Yes. We like that a lot. I'm sorry. I was just soaking that in because the world needs more of that, to be honest.
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Glenn
Yeah. And doesn't cost anything. You know, that's the value. You know, before, you know, colonization, so to speak. You know, that was that barter, that was an exchange, that something that was from inside us, you know.
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Linda
True value.
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Glenn
True value.
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Linda
True value.
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Glenn
I love it.
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Glenn
And you can't get bankrupt. You can, you know, people can take a lot of things away from us, but that value is, you know, that's the that's the forever it holds ever being old.
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Preston
It's worth.
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Glenn
That's it. Yeah.
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Linda
Yeah. And you have a special value to us as well. You do a lot of work in community in many different areas. However, you have brought your day in today because you use this important tool to be able to heal and connect and communicate with anyone that comes in contact with you.
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Glenn
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Linda
So we had had a really brief discussion before and I went are we going to apply before or after. And you said by some like sweet let's do this.
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Glenn
Or I'm just going to do a quick little improvization. I think anywhere we go we pick up on the energy of the, of the space, and, and that's a form of listening, a form of, you know, what the interaction between ourself and the world we are in. So I'm going to do something, like that right now.
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Linda
Okay?
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Glenn
Okay, okay.
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Unknown
And then, hum, hum, hum, hum, hum.
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Unknown
Hum, hum, hum
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Unknown
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Unknown
Oh, no no no no.
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Glenn
And then if.
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Preston
Very nice.
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Linda
I love it. I can, certainly listen to that all day, every day. And, we'll probably have a little bit of a yarn about, the impact and the meaning and, and stuff around that a little bit later. But, let's have a yarn before that around you.
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Glenn
Hey, you. What do you do with it?
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Linda
Thank you for coming in.
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Glenn
Oh, my pleasure.
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Linda
I really appreciate your time. We, catch up a lot, and you're a really important person in my life. And, we connect, on every level, and I know that you're always just there for me, so I really want to I appreciate that. So thank you.
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Glenn
For.
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Preston
Any busy doing a day?
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Glenn
Yeah. Pretty hard day.
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Glenn
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that.
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Linda
I haven't heard that term before.
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Preston
Tell us a little bit about that.
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Glenn
I was having a talk to some of the students at the university. Yes. And, and what I was saying is I'm coming to the submission sort of of the PSC the last couple of years. And I look back in hindsight on go, all the information that I needed was, ready to just put it down in, into the thesis.
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Glenn
So my research is looking at, mobile at Google by one, two and three, how ourself, how our family and how community work together and they're all got their own identity. But they all have a connection. And it's like a spiritual being and healing of this nation. Music from a gun perspective. And so I've just coming back into re remembering language and, the, the values and the depth of what our language has and the interpretation that can be in the 21st century and how sound from the good you do, your heart and soul.
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Glenn
Goes to the first brain, not the second brain, and into the head. And so that second is it's like, you know, petrol and your tank, you need that petrol, it goes where it needs to go sort of thing. But if we don't fill it up, we just, we keep on turning the key. But it's not there. So the Western system is very much the model of the mental health, social emotional well-being, trauma informed what some of the stuff is for me, the literature is very much from the neck up, but we don't, you know, if you've got a broken heart, just take this pill, you know?
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Glenn
But if you've got, you know, any diagnoses from the medical system, it doesn't really include the, the heart. And so that's been a, a thing for me. There's lots of different information about ways of being, ways of knowing, ways of doing across literature, even indigenous peoples across the world. But no one has ever talked about ways of feeling.
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Glenn
It's never been a never been. It's never been a thing. Even emotion. People go, oh, it's just an emotional thing. But emotional for me is like a reaction. So why we learn things as compared to why we are things? What? You know, what's happening in this moment, in this moment, in this moment, in this, in this bar we saw in time past, present, future time.
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Glenn
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Linda
So when are you going to be a doctor?
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Glenn
Hopefully by the end of the year. Hopefully by the end of the year.
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Linda
That's okay. Yeah. This is the year. It's a yeah. It's been a long journey.
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Glenn
Yeah. And yeah. Personal. And you certainly know we're talking lots of different stuff about I guess you know playing the game in the mainstream. You know saying to the student just you know the if you, if you go with the flow, you know, sometimes a dead fish goes with the flow. So sometimes you need to go against the flow.
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Glenn
You know, it's quite interesting, not as a disrupter but as what is the strength in this. Not as, pushing through regardless. So, but, I do a martial arts in Japan, and I use this term Ricky Anthony, which is love and strength and harmony. It's like the willow tree, you know, it can bend, but it's got those really strong roots.
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Glenn
So love and strength, not just strength to push, push, push, which I really think from a, I guess, a physical presence that we have is certain muscles and bones and tendons at work. But that's the thing. It's motivates all those things to move as a, as a machine, as a component of comedic connected parts that, you know, I guess spirit, gets a chance to be to play, eulogy, you know, ceremony, initiation, gathering.
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Glenn
But most important to play, to have fun. That's where the real learning is. You know, every time I say someone, you know, when we get together and we're just having a ball, it's like, no, it doesn't matter what the other priorities are, it might be pulling on us. But if you have fun, that is the priority that becomes that becomes the way to connect.
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Glenn
Relationship reciprocity or the double or the triple as.
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Linda
Welcome with your first brain.
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Glenn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Preston
Which is, which is which is important because. Yeah, you talk about playing a game. There's usually a structure attached to it, you know, a structure, that sense of foundation. Oh, but a lot of the time we play to that structure, so much it it just lacks creativity. It lacks imagination. It could lack instinct sometimes, you know, and sometimes we play safe in that structure, you know, knowing that we're not going to get in trouble if we, if we, if we just play safe in that structure.
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Preston
But where the magic is, where things happen. Yeah. It's important to have structure because that's what us give you foundations, you know, but, you know, make the most of life or, do your best to be successful in playing the game, whatever game that might be. You need to have that creativity and the courage to be able to go outside that structure.
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Glenn
Yeah. Model I keep on hearing about. There's a certain is, for example, in academia, there's a certain model to do things in, you know, in the world, I mean, the social sciences world. And, and that's being built upon by a certain system of hierarchical understanding, you know, the professors know everything, and then the professors learn that model after years and years and years of playing that game, and then that becomes embedded in everything they do.
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Glenn
And then I come into the academic system and it's like, the system doesn't fit my, you know, I'm a square peg, round hole sort of thing. So how do I make this work? So.
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Glenn
Without telling people what they should or shouldn't do, I just have stepped in, so to speak, in being me, being the real person in the sense that I am, and in that in hindsight, I'm hearing a lot of people look at me for sometimes years after I've met them, and then later they say, Glenn, I thought you were the problem for the time I met you until just recently.
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Glenn
Then I recognize you. Never the problem. It was just my understanding of what you are and how you do things. And so that's been interesting reflection for a lot of people. And I say that and a lot of people that not only recognize that there's a gap in themselves, because I think that's that mirroring that identity. When we allow things in people, it's because we have an inner self and we hide things in people's because we have an inner self.
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Glenn
And so those things of confusion is come back. That hierarchy that modeling, that singularity, so to speak. We do this one way. There's only one way. There's no creativity in it. There's no what are you doing? I, Miles Davis used to say, when do you make a mistake? Do it twice. And so give him a self permission in these spaces, that creativity in the academic space is really even coming to my say, I was asked, or suggested I should do a DVI, which is a doctor visual arts instead of a, a Doctor of philosophy said no, no, no, if I'm doing this, I'm doing it as PSA.
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Glenn
I want the FX to. Not so much for the letters, but for the fact that I want to play the top game, that there is. I don't want to be second to, I don't be third to. I don't be kind of so close or so close to the top. But I never saw that that view from the top of them in.
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Glenn
And so I stayed my ground and I didn't really know what it was going to do. But I've got a couple of degrees in the art world, and I really wanted to bring the arts into the world that I'm in, which is quite interesting. So I'm working through the Queensland Conservatory and Griffith University and art and music. So like in the West and there's separate you know, you have the Queensland College of Art design and you have the Queensland.
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Glenn
Instead of telling them that never the twain shall meet as they are separate things. But I always, come back to Chinese or, Asian philosophy in the martial arts and say, on the one hand, clapping, you can't hear this side, but you can hear this. So I but if you brought them together.
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Glenn
So that's what I've done, is brought my, artistic knowledge, that I've been really learning, for the last 20 years into the literature of the academic space, to be able to see the words from a creative, metaphorical perspective and then translate that, that literature into images that are so deep, you know, sharing in symbology, you know, some, some lies and, you might look, pretty picture that goes well with my couch, but there's so many different lies in that.
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Glenn
So that's sort of been, the space of climate, my own space, part of the jigsaw puzzle that, I'm at, you know, great writing.
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Preston
One great thing about art. And I talk about interpretations. I don't know about you, but.
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Glenn
We.
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Preston
Might look at an odd piece, or we might listen to a, musical piece, and. And you have this, your own interpretation of it, and then you go back to the artist, whether you read it or you hear him talk about it, it's completely different to what.
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Glenn
What you.
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Preston
Thought of it yourself. But that's the great thing about art. That's a.
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Linda
Magic.
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Preston
It is. I mean, I suppose it just shines a light on, how connected we are in terms of when it comes to art, but how individuals we, we might think a little bit differently. Which is, which is a great thing. You know, I want to and again go back to that structure. You know, it's, it's so easy just to but and it might not and might not take you as far as you probably could go if you just sustain that.
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Preston
Yeah. You talk about systems and one way of doing thing and. Oh, oh, I said because I think it's a great, great way to look at things. Anything more dangerous than ever. Now, I had no idea or no model is even one model or one idea. Yeah, yeah. So it and because it does it just it just pigeonholes us, you know, and just as creative ones is courageous ones that step outside of, what I know and understand to me, which you talk about just now, people come to you and, and senior differently and because you I don't know if alloys are the right word, look at you at a certain way
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Preston
and tend to treat you differently.
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Linda
And I think what's interesting is that it takes courage to be in your own skin and be that square peg in the round hole. And, many people don't have that confidence. And so it's so important that we as human beings support people in that discomfort and that creativity space so that there isn't just one, model. But how do you in terms of, you know, you can't you're leading the way with this, academically.
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Linda
But spiritually, it's about how do you keep your spirit strong and stay true to who you are in doing this? Because it is a discomfort and it's a discomfort that, a lot of what, a lot of older one everyone feels. But I see in terms of our young ones feeling that discomfort and not having the confidence in themselves or belief in themselves to step into that discomfort and own it and believe and move forward.
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Linda
So, you know, like, how do you maintain that?
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Glenn
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Glenn
Okay.
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Glenn
As I said before, I have a very not obscure but I did a paper last year with, Clifford, from Brazil, a university of Brazil, called Improvization at the margins in music and so looking what is the terminology of, of margins mean? And, you know, we have Boundary Road and all that sort of stuff separation.
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Glenn
So something like that. So I drew a circle and then I drew what the margin was. And I thought actually hang on. The margin is just the center of the margin instead of being at on the outskirts, you know, but you know, the at the, you know, you can't come into town after 16 sort of thing. So really centering my perspectives in this thing of, you know, a lot of this stuff in the social sciences, academia, spaces, social emotional well-being, you know, trauma informed counseling, you know, the deficit model or the the problems.
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Glenn
You're going to fix this problem, I'm going to fix this problem so it becomes, you know, like, I've got to cut myself to heal myself sort of thing as compared to I'm already healed. What can I do with that healing? And so I flip it around and going, not what is the what is my problem, but what is my strength?
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Glenn
What is my thing that brings me joy? Because the problems will come along regardless of my joy in dealing with the system. And I'm about to gather with his crew, international crew on systems healing, collective systems, collective healing crew from America. Anyway, all I the place. So I'm going to meet in northern New South Wales next month.
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Glenn
And I I've seen a lot of this sort of, Identity crisis, I guess, in 21st century. O'Neill. Ryan Murphy. Williams. When she was alive, bless her soul. Rest in peace. She grabbed me by the the while the the the net got me in a headlock and said, first time in medicine. You and me going to be working together.
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Glenn
And I didn't understand that. I had no idea of mine. I indigeneity at the time. As much as she saw in me. I look back at that time on gone, and she was telling me about the 21st century, how the Industrial revolution is going to come to an end, and this masculine hierarchical structure is going to implode.
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Glenn
And you can hear your thought fingers on the chalkboard as we speak. You know, I was 25 years and is 22 since 2000. The wall this has been happening. The the hot energy, the feminine nurturing nature, nurture has been expanding. You know what? Boys don't cry. And also stuff. You know, it's been thrown out the door. You know, men can feel as well, not just women has can't lead, you know, there's all these standards of systems are being challenged left, right and center.
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Glenn
And so we're in this very interesting potentiality, you know, this embryonic stage. You know, the Sonoran Desert people talk about you for a caterpillar dreaming that that caterpillar that turns in that butterfly. But, you know, if you ever say it, to come and you go, that butterfly is struggling. I'll help it out. It'll fall down dead because it needs to struggle to get the blood out to the wings so it can fly.
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Glenn
Get it? So, ready for that flight. So I say yes, in this transition state between up to 2002 thousand, in relation to this space and that for me informs firstly me that reminds me of along with other, you know, dreaming sort of being passed on to me about.
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Glenn
I'm not just a physical presence. I'm a spiritual body. Spiritual, a spiritual antibody. It's a spirit with a body, not a body with a spirit that's is my priority. And so these things for me, when I share it and it can get caught up in semantics, you know, it can be translated into musical transfer. You transferred through, but I try not to make it too convoluted, too, intellectual.
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Glenn
I try to keep things so that people can come to the buffet and take what they need. You know that I'm not force feeding them. You know, when they're full, that full. If I want to come back for seconds, come on down. I think that's a good thing about, you know, the doctor sort of thing. A healthy doctor is someone who sees the patients and doesn't become the patient so that, you know, I can help people if I want help.
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Glenn
But if they don't call out for help, then they're on their own. So it's, is a symbiotic relationship between.
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Glenn
Being me and seeing people's problems and going, I could fix that, but I at the end of the day, I could fix everything. But, you know, what do I do to myself at the same time? You know, I run myself down, I get caught up in that stuff, and and I take on, that baggage. And as a sensitive person, I did that for a long time.
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Glenn
I thought everything that I was feeling in the world was, was my problem. And I didn't know that there was a boundary, a barrier. I think of my last time being Barry didn't even understand it for a long.
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Glenn
Time.
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Glenn
So I had to learn where I stopped and where I stopped. How far was my sensitivity going out in the world? Not just in my intellect, but in my in my in my my. I guess it's their field. Yeah.
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Glenn
I don't know if that answers your question, but yeah. Yeah.
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Preston
When I wrong did a great job.
00:24:06:29 - 00:24:10:13
Linda
That's what we do. We go on the road and you worry.
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Preston
You talk about a buffet. Yeah. It's good to have. Good to have choice. How do we help people understand that there is choice? You know,
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Preston
We seem to live in a world where it feels like they don't have a choice. I mean, you talk about some of the positive things that are going on in our lives and some of the negative things that are going in our lives. So for some of us, we tend to focus more on the negative things, not knowing that there are other things that we can be grateful for, know things that are going on that's very, very positive in our lives.
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Preston
And that one negative thing, well, might be a number of negative things. We put so much focus in that. And is that a choice.
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Linda
That can bury us when we get into that zone too. Right. Yeah.
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Glenn
Mean the hungry gets fed to us. If I, if I label it as interpretation I've got friends of mine, I got this one man I, I do a thing called qigong, which is like a tai chi exercise. And for years and years and years with everyone, with my, my, my teacher. Anyway, this gentleman turned up and he was told he had six months to live and he just wanted to, you know, do do the best he could.
00:25:27:24 - 00:25:42:27
Glenn
So he came along and did qigong every day. And then six months later he's passed. I, they did the autopsy. There was nothing wrong. So they misdiagnosed him. But he believed the original diagnoses and his belief system shut him down.
00:25:43:03 - 00:25:44:10
Linda
The power of belief.
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Glenn
I believe, and so let's say that in many different lies and levels. So that choice and, you know, there's autonomy or agency or choice also different ways is to, to, to catch it. And so.
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Glenn
It's not necessarily heaven. The answer for me is having the right question in the choice. What is it that I'm accepting as my limiting belief, as a choice? Or what am I expecting? Is that a choice that I'm making the expectation of a certain thing? You know, the depression word is, as word. If you break up syllables as deep, rest in the word depression.
00:26:25:13 - 00:26:47:15
Glenn
And so that choice is sometimes people say, well, it's a big majority of people are, stuck in their expectations. So they never get there. They never get that way here yet. Are we are we there yet? No, we're here now. So that depression is an expectation that they'll never be satisfied because there's is okay we're going to have a bonfire.
00:26:47:16 - 00:26:58:27
Glenn
We're gonna have a birthday party for Preston's birthday. We're going to have all the best food and the best people and the music's there and the and the and the atmosphere is going to be great. How does that feel?
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Linda
Excited.
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Glenn
Excited?
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Preston
Yeah. I can't wait for the Gary.
00:27:02:08 - 00:27:15:26
Glenn
Yeah, that. But I want to I want to, test you on this. Is it a feeling was the thought of the thing that hasn't yet happened.
00:27:15:28 - 00:27:18:07
Preston
Which the thought and thought. Yeah.
00:27:18:09 - 00:27:19:19
Glenn
But it's not feeling it.
00:27:19:23 - 00:27:20:17
Preston
Yeah.
00:27:20:20 - 00:27:38:19
Linda
But I'm feeling excited. And I'm feeling, when I think about it, it's actually about the gathering of everyone and what that. Yeah. Yummy food and great music and stuff. But we know that food and music is such a great connector.
00:27:38:26 - 00:27:39:15
Glenn
Yeah.
00:27:39:18 - 00:27:43:14
Linda
So for me, it's about the connection that's going to happen there, you know.
00:27:43:16 - 00:28:03:29
Glenn
So we base that on that past experience. Yes. And we project that into the future. And I always say you can't think feeling. You can think thinking. But the feeling is not yet until we've satisfied where we're experiencing it, you know, like you can you can think food and, that feels better. But there's no there's nothing in your belly.
00:28:04:01 - 00:28:28:16
Glenn
So the thinking and the feeling I get, I'm mixed up, you know, semantics for me. So the the world of depression again, is like expectations of what is this is what I'm investing in. And, if I don't get any satisfaction out of the movement of the day to day, out of the connection to the present, never now and when, the goal is achieved.
00:28:28:18 - 00:28:35:19
Glenn
Oh, I won't get satisfaction. So I've moved the bar. I move the goal further already, so I'll never get to that point.
00:28:35:20 - 00:28:37:12
Glenn
Yeah.
00:28:37:15 - 00:29:10:27
Linda
And I think it's about and it changes your perspective if, whether you're having the best time of your life or the worst time of your life, you are exactly where you need to be right now, you know, and that when we come to terms and accept that and the here and now. Then we can face that I think a lot better rather than, yeah, you're right.
00:29:10:27 - 00:29:48:23
Linda
Like concentrating on that horrible negative space and you're being buried and all of that. But I feel like you I feel horrible now, but it's exactly what I'm supposed to be feeling here and now for certain reasons. Because there's a reason for everything. And I don't believe there's consequences in life either. Everything happens for a reason. And I think if we can, as individuals, even just come to terms with that concept, it then will help in terms of moving through to the next.
00:29:48:23 - 00:29:49:13
Linda
Now.
00:29:49:15 - 00:29:52:08
Glenn
Yeah.
00:29:52:10 - 00:29:59:09
Linda
Because it doesn't never stay in that spot. Right. We're constantly moving forward.
00:29:59:12 - 00:30:00:07
Glenn
00:30:00:09 - 00:30:03:10
Linda
Well trying to move forward moving somewhere.
00:30:03:10 - 00:30:04:18
Glenn
But let's go forward.
00:30:04:21 - 00:30:11:24
Preston
Well like that locked up water. You gotta constantly keep moving. Yeah. Yeah. Otherwise you become stagnant.
00:30:11:24 - 00:30:13:00
Glenn
Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:13:02 - 00:30:15:15
Preston
Do you speak a lot of acceptance in your day.
00:30:15:19 - 00:30:17:24
Glenn
Acceptance. Yeah. Tell me more.
00:30:17:26 - 00:30:24:23
Preston
Well it just somewhat is mentioned that it's something that again you talk about stuckness. That's a word.
00:30:24:26 - 00:30:30:18
Linda
Well make it one being depressed.
00:30:30:20 - 00:30:44:21
Preston
Do you find maybe that's why it's still in that space? Because they are unable to accept the situation they're in, whether it's in the moment or something that's happened in the past.
00:30:44:24 - 00:31:09:04
Glenn
Yeah. Self-awareness is the biggest missing, missing part of the jigsaw puzzle. Yeah. Self-awareness is like, I'm catching myself. I saw this at this conference. Going to be with, you know, workshop with two day, sabbatical. I guess people come together. I was I was supposed to meet when King Alfred came, so we had to postpone it to next month.
00:31:09:06 - 00:31:28:06
Glenn
I was asked to do a presentation on colonization. That was all the all the the the blurb was. And I'm busy doing a pasta and all the sudden this thing colonization and I'm. What's this got to anyway? I think said, you know, I've done 6000 words on this on colonization, but I didn't want to do it as a dump on colonization.
00:31:28:06 - 00:31:52:29
Glenn
I wanted to do it as an awareness of colonization and the and that and what am I doing in my the day to day that I'm perpetuating colonization? And let me clarify that for me, colonization of separation. Separation is divide and conquer is taking yourself away from ourself. First, our family second, and that community third, that marble of Gulabo.
00:31:53:02 - 00:32:25:06
Glenn
So I'm catching myself in this deep dive of the colonization of what am I doing? My day to day is perpetuating my own separation and I'm not even. No one's even pulling the strings on pulling my own strings. And so that in itself has been a really good, cathartic moment for me to recognize my own choice in the situation, my own likes and dislikes, which is, a different conversation, so to speak.
00:32:25:06 - 00:32:31:01
Glenn
But it's so connected. It's like the spider web, you know? So part of the the big picture.
00:32:31:04 - 00:32:48:13
Preston
You know, I like that. I love that actually being me more of a way, than you might be more accepting of really what's what's going on around you. Then you can make the appropriate decisions to allow you to go forward. Yeah. Yeah, I love that.
00:32:48:16 - 00:33:09:07
Glenn
Yeah. We have lots of different stories from the past, so to speak. But how do we bring them in the in the present? It's, the, you know, the yarn we talk about the yarn, is narrative. The word is different. Yeah. But a lot of people this the source of the yarn and think it's got no value, in the West.
00:33:09:09 - 00:33:28:17
Glenn
But, you know, without the yarn, we don't get a chance to find, that awareness of, of listening, of, of go to speak to voice to, to share what's bubbling up in my, in my belly button and that come through and out through the vocals.
00:33:28:19 - 00:33:39:00
Glenn
I was with some people at, a residency it, at it stand up a couple of months ago and was with a couple of really.
00:33:39:02 - 00:34:00:15
Glenn
Experienced and educated men and I talking about their Catholic upbringing from different perspectives and are very animated in their ways. And, and I turned to me and said, so what's your religion? I said, I don't have one. I got kicked out of primary school. I asked, what color is Adam when I was in grade two and said, I never come back.
00:34:00:15 - 00:34:13:14
Glenn
So I challenged the system 25 years before for that, my indigeneity. So it's in hindsight was interesting. But they said, well, how would you explain, your spirituality?
00:34:13:16 - 00:34:37:19
Glenn
And I, I flipped it back on them. I said, well, how would you talked about Catholicism without words? How would you share what you get out of Catholicism without speaking words? And they were like, I didn't have an answer. And they asked me the same question about my spirituality. And I just smiled. And I just kept on smiling, and I just kept on smiling and just kept on smiling.
00:34:37:19 - 00:34:46:24
Glenn
And then that guy, that putting the two and two together and I got, you know, 795.
00:34:46:26 - 00:34:52:12
Glenn
So that that body language that we have, you know, which way.
00:34:52:15 - 00:34:53:16
Glenn
00:34:53:19 - 00:35:23:22
Glenn
So the stuff that is innate in us, it comes back to some, research about before I got into my, academic space, although I was interested to come back to ways of being, ways of feeling, so to speak, more. The point is the sensory perceptions that we have and how I not just see, not how I know, not just how I listen, but how I feel.
00:35:23:24 - 00:35:53:22
Glenn
And for me, each of us have a have all of those gifts. Generally, unless you're blind or deaf, whatever that one of those gifts is, a strong point is like, a go to and how we communicate with the world. And that, for me, is, one of our superpowers that we have that we don't get taught in high school, in primary school or high school university about this sort of things.
00:35:53:26 - 00:36:25:15
Glenn
But I think in indigenous worlds, it's it's itself, as you said before, it's our foundation. It's something that we can come back to return, fine tune, develop, expand and be creative with. And that for me is the the key to the world is everybody as either see things or hear things or know things or feel things. And so one of those forms will be a way for a communication exchange.
00:36:25:17 - 00:36:35:04
Preston
The the wording is important, the language is important and much of which we use, so we talk a lot.
00:36:35:06 - 00:37:10:17
Preston
In terms of, alcohol to Aboriginal toast that all the culture we talk of it being lost. And that that tells us that maybe if it's lost, we have to go look for it and that that for me is why we should be looking at it. Because it is there. It is. The way some people might interpret that is lost, that it'll never be found again, or that it now that it's lost, we can't we can't get it back.
00:37:10:19 - 00:37:27:29
Preston
But it's always been there, you know. And to be able to help people understand, you know, in in the what language using the right words, helping them understand that it's there waiting for you to just go grab it.
00:37:28:01 - 00:37:48:11
Glenn
I just got this picture of, of interception. You know, you're playing on the, on the, on the footy field and the team is coming at you and they got the ball and you're looking at them looking at and local. And all sudden they throw a pass. And instead of it going to their team member you intercept it and you go.
00:37:48:13 - 00:38:32:07
Glenn
So that takes a lot of awareness and choice and intention. And you know, the satisfaction of doing that is like the unexpected. It's like the punchline of a joke. It's like, well, I didn't see that coming. And yet here it is. So what timing is, is, is really part of that, even in delivery and language, you know, the, you know, if I speak with a slow voice and deliver with spice as compared to us, they come very quickly with, you know, non-GAAP the reception of that is different and even even now, no words when I'm looking at you here and saying and that and and our communication isn't just the verbal but the idea
00:38:32:07 - 00:38:43:02
Glenn
or which is so important. Know the meal the way that we see each other. And then I can go, we're on a good roll here. We're not there. We don't have to go. Oh, it's it's okay what we're talking about.
00:38:43:04 - 00:38:43:22
Glenn
Wait.
00:38:43:24 - 00:38:44:29
Linda
We never think that.
00:38:45:02 - 00:38:47:00
Glenn
No.
00:38:47:03 - 00:38:54:00
Preston
If if there's a pause, it's usually, it's generally because we're we're actually segmenting and thinking.
00:38:54:00 - 00:38:55:07
Glenn
Yeah, absolutely.
00:38:55:09 - 00:39:20:06
Preston
Ted. Yeah. But you're right. It also comes with courage to to again to step forward and and take that, what would you call it, risk to, to come out of the line. I committed a structure. Take that risk and and grab that ball and run with it. Yeah. And that's something we need to talk more of it.
00:39:20:07 - 00:39:30:21
Preston
You know. And courageous is one of those things I think it's a great word comes from the word kuh. It means to, going to something we'd love.
00:39:30:23 - 00:39:32:13
Glenn
And, Yeah. Beautiful.
00:39:32:15 - 00:39:33:20
Preston
Yeah. So not.
00:39:33:20 - 00:39:34:06
Linda
Conquer?
00:39:34:11 - 00:39:35:05
Preston
No, it's not a bad.
00:39:35:06 - 00:39:36:17
Linda
Guy with it in love. Yeah.
00:39:36:19 - 00:39:52:00
Preston
It's to. And now I think that's what separates carried from from from bravery. I don't really understand. But by definitions. But it comes from the word, you know, to step into something with courage or with love. Sorry.
00:39:52:02 - 00:39:53:16
Glenn
I like that. Yeah.
00:39:53:19 - 00:40:22:10
Glenn
And that in my martial arts, I'm pretty out there in the martial art level. And they have this Japanese word called Hanka, which is a variation so that you can do certain things to a certain standard and copy and paste that when you get to a certain level, your body constitution either limits you or allows you certain way, like a front row and a wing a have there certain variations with the same football.
00:40:22:16 - 00:40:43:00
Glenn
They'll do well in different way to move forward to, to play the game. And so for me, the rules are in this already. We have the goodwill and we have the transferable skills in many different ways. But it's how do we transfer them and give a give a voice to those skills that we learn in a day to day.
00:40:43:00 - 00:41:01:23
Glenn
We think, oh yeah, what's that got to do with life? What football got to do with life? And I question that sometimes, like, I can't run on a black volleyball. I can't run very fast. I don't play footy anymore. So it's even in the politics and I'm, you know, with the money going through, you know, an you said, you know, there's footy, footy money.
00:41:01:24 - 00:41:25:00
Glenn
I'm not trying to disown it, but it's like, one of the politicians said what don't you like footy. And I, I'm not saying it's not like footy, I'm saying. But in relation to the whole picture, what's the focus? Is it the whole picture that money's going through these different situations or is it we're helping everybody grow?
00:41:25:00 - 00:41:50:24
Glenn
That's maybe not everyone's, has an opportunity to be involved in the footy. So what's outside of that? And I think that for me is, a proactive way to bring choice again, awareness and opportunity to expand the dialog of what we are good at, not just what we're told we're good at.
00:41:50:26 - 00:42:23:28
Preston
Yeah. I mean, we need so many great things. You know, rugby league is one of those things that I feel, sport in general is one of those things. Besides. Yeah, we'd growing up, for different reasons, whether it's a family member that's that played and the successful and we want to follow in their footsteps. But in doing that, you know, it can be really tough to become, an, an elite athlete, to be able to play that sport at the elite level.
00:42:24:00 - 00:42:50:13
Preston
What happens when you don't make it? You know, there's so many opportunities outside of being a sport person and stuff that you'll, you know, on your way to, well, you're on your way to finishing a PhD, and that's a great example there, you know, and he's done some amazing things. And, it's really just about creating spaces where people come, can come and play.
00:42:50:15 - 00:43:10:14
Preston
Rugby league is one of those spaces, because it could attract so many people as well. Again, because of our association with it, we love it. But when we come to that space and what you're talking about, it's really, really important what we give to people. It's not just about football. It's not just about the game.
00:43:10:16 - 00:43:26:27
Preston
It's how much more the game can offer. And it doesn't even realize it. It doesn't even realize it. Coming from a rugby league world, being a former player myself, you can live in such a small bubble.
00:43:26:27 - 00:43:27:19
Glenn
You know.
00:43:27:21 - 00:43:49:19
Preston
You'll you'll view the world. Your perspective is very, very small. It's until you finish playing again. We were young about it before about the transitions, that we have. Yeah. They call it retirement in rugby league and. Yeah. And in your early to mid 30s, time it, they should be calling it a transition because that's what it is.
00:43:49:22 - 00:44:18:26
Preston
And, and to be able to be prepared for that is really, really, really, really important. They struggle with that within the game, you know, so to be able to have external parties and organizations to be able to come in and help rugby league understand that, that's why, again, creating spaces, to allow people to grow shouldn't be just about the game.
00:44:18:28 - 00:44:26:23
Glenn
And it doesn't need to be a rocket science. No, no session. It's just like, you know, come back to that satisfaction thing of that by that hasn't yet.
00:44:26:23 - 00:44:27:19
Preston
Have the choice.
00:44:27:26 - 00:44:51:13
Glenn
Yeah. And and the imagination is important part of this conversation. But for me it's not FOMO fear of missing out sort of stuff, but it's what have people done that they can come back to as an experience, as a lived experience. When you when I hear just kind of, I can imagine the people in the food and the yarns and the likes of belly laughs and all that sort of stuff.
00:44:51:16 - 00:45:04:17
Glenn
That's because that's what we look forward to, you know? That's what that's what keeps motivating us to move forward, to keep on stepping in and stepping and stepping in so that,
00:45:04:19 - 00:45:26:00
Glenn
Come back to the to the young ones and judge them kids is for me is come back to what have they done that's giving them some satisfaction on any level, because satisfaction is a thing in the brain. Whether I get a brand new house, or I get food, my belly, the same thing of level of satisfaction doesn't mean it's more satisfaction.
00:45:26:00 - 00:45:43:09
Glenn
Because I have a house on the moon listing because I have food in my belly. It's just satisfaction. The brain just goes tick the box and so I don't, I, I don't put my own satisfaction on a this is the best satisfaction. This is the word satisfaction. It's just all the same for me.
00:45:43:12 - 00:45:45:17
Linda
But I don't think across society it.
00:45:45:17 - 00:46:08:23
Glenn
Is no 100%. So this is the perpetuation of the separation of colonization, where we get caught up in a single ladder, a model of this is the only way. Yeah. We're talking before we join, in this, John, about, was talking about my dad, about the people that to get to the top, it's like the crab mentality.
00:46:08:27 - 00:46:15:09
Glenn
You step on all of this to get to the top, but the same crabs step on will be the ones that watch you when you fall.
00:46:15:09 - 00:46:15:29
Glenn
Yeah.
00:46:16:01 - 00:46:39:04
Glenn
As compared to as I have a thing in, in my martial arts. Hito hito hito. The person to person to person all depends on the quality of the person. So when they'll call you, that person is clear. The community can all come together and grow and lift itself up instead of it's lopsided one. One person does everything and everyone else is behind.
00:46:39:07 - 00:47:02:05
Glenn
So I think there's no there's not saying that there are leaders and everything because you no, no one, no one is going to be the leader of everything. But to model that, why the we are our own leaders. We are our own space where our own energy. We're also our own fellows on the tile of the of the arrow moving forward, not just a spear.
00:47:02:07 - 00:47:30:21
Glenn
So putting the pieces together, so to speak, in reflection, in identifying people that we look up to emulate. You know, that, piece of gong, a love what that person does. And so if I can identify that, it's because I have the essence of that in myself already. So catching those sort of things instead of.
00:47:30:24 - 00:48:01:19
Glenn
Trying a whole new model is that doesn't have, the living experiences, being able to relate to. It's for me, the way to communicate on a similar level doesn't matter if people are 110 years old, doesn't matter if they're three year old. You know, three year old might have a different experiences of living. But you see these kids, you know, it's a little bit different story, but kids that come in with it, you know, be able to play a piano and a two year old, a three year old.
00:48:01:22 - 00:48:23:24
Glenn
Where does that come from? Like, so they're coming, they're tapping this, experience. And I think we're getting into the a little bit of quantum, so to speak. Not so much quantum from a esoteric point of view, but quantum from a reality. We, we, the science of ourself is, is is what's resonating for me in the 21st century.
00:48:23:25 - 00:48:42:23
Glenn
Time to grow up. Let's say when you're 21, in the West, you get the key to the city. So you're not a teenager anymore. So the 21st century for the next 7000 years on here, I'm off you, Williams. You said tell me about the 7000 year cycle, not the 70 year cycle. 700 year cycle, not the seven cycle, the 7000 years ago.
00:48:42:26 - 00:48:57:04
Glenn
And here we are at the beginning of this 7000 year cycle. And that's an opportunity to not just do what our parents did, but decide what we're going to do in society, you know, social identity.
00:48:57:07 - 00:48:58:10
Glenn
Okay.
00:48:58:13 - 00:49:10:28
Glenn
Who are we when we walk out the door? Who are we when we meet people who are late and how and why are we and where are we and who gets what out of this conversation. If there's a value in this?
00:49:11:01 - 00:49:34:12
Glenn
If we can articulate the value in this and that motivates us to do more instead of, my, my mum, my tanks empty, I can't, I can't give anymore because I'm just dealing with problems all the time instead of, oh, that's interesting. The problem becomes opportunity a different way I look at it and the timing of it. Instead of going, oh, I had this problem, this problem.
00:49:34:15 - 00:49:53:01
Glenn
I was in America 20 years ago and I was doing the double degree, and I blew out. I was 26 subject. So awake traveling from Binaural Point to Southbank every day, a thousand K's a week. And I was just my head was full. I left Australia and I was sitting in Nevada desert one stage.
00:49:53:03 - 00:50:16:26
Glenn
I'm trying to work out which way out of guy, which way to go. I'm trying to go pull their thoughts into and, I used to work as a chef and in Indonesia, and my boss decided to short changed me about 20,000 us. So it's been, in my mind, even been in Indonesia last week. I thought I might just knock on the door of CVS around eight.
00:50:16:26 - 00:50:22:07
Glenn
Move House. By the way, that I was in I was in America. And,
00:50:22:09 - 00:50:22:23
Linda
This is a.
00:50:22:23 - 00:50:23:23
Glenn
Call out.
00:50:23:25 - 00:50:54:01
Glenn
Yeah, I was in America, and I'm gone. I'd really like that. 20,000 in my pocket instead of his pocket. And then his voice just dropped in and it said, buy a ticket, go home, go north. That was all I got. I didn't get any more details, so I, I bought a ticket. I flew home, landed in Brisbane as I'm driving home from Brisbane Airport to the Gold Coast.
00:50:54:03 - 00:51:14:00
Glenn
I hear on the radio about the Bali bombing, the 9/11, the Sari Club and my boss. His house is in Puppy Lines two, which is basically around the corner from Sari Club, and I would have been at the club at that time with everybody else had passed over. And so that was an interesting time of, I missed out.
00:51:14:00 - 00:51:38:25
Glenn
I didn't get my 20,000, I what sort of stuff? You know, my ego wasn't attached to the money. It was attached to listen to the message. This comes full circle about, my choices and, spirit and agency of, you know, sometimes the red light says stop, and sometimes the green light says go. No, I always say stop or go.
00:51:38:28 - 00:52:03:03
Glenn
But the orange light is it stop or go faster. You know, it's the same message. So turning into those different messages for me is, it's been a way to, not tell people what they should do from headspace, but catching what is the message here instead of just going on oblivious to the message.
00:52:03:05 - 00:52:05:05
Linda
Missing the message altogether.
00:52:05:07 - 00:52:06:13
Glenn
Or missing it? Yeah. Correct.
00:52:06:15 - 00:52:07:14
Glenn
Yeah.
00:52:07:16 - 00:52:24:18
Linda
So you, mentioned that you've connected with different cultures in different ways through your martial arts, maybe through food, you know, with your, chef work.
00:52:24:20 - 00:52:28:25
Linda
When you've connected with other cultures.
00:52:28:27 - 00:53:12:21
Linda
Has it had a connection for you in terms of, I know you're you've been on a journey around originality, and I'm just interested in terms of did your connection to cultures overall kind of happen before that, and whether that has helped you really connect with yourself as an Aboriginal person and, I guess what role that had to play, with, I guess opening yourself up to connecting with other cultures through my through different forms even.
00:53:12:26 - 00:53:14:26
Glenn
00:53:14:29 - 00:53:41:05
Glenn
So until the rise of Brian at the moment, her story, not her story, her dreaming, which is, the, you know, come back to hierarchy. It's the biggest dreaming story ever been told. And the easiest way to remember it that she told me was we got the Olympic Games coming up in 20, in 2032. So you got the five rings that represents the Olympics.
00:53:41:07 - 00:53:51:19
Glenn
Hope that people who can come to the Olympics. And so I asked people, what does that what does those rings mean when you're here anyway? What do you think about when you see those five rings? What comes up for you?
00:53:51:21 - 00:53:53:01
Linda
They're five different colors.
00:53:53:02 - 00:53:54:03
Glenn
Yeah. What about you?
00:53:54:03 - 00:54:02:09
Preston
Presto for me? Well, the has been won, but the fact that they're entangled in each other. Yep.
00:54:02:11 - 00:54:25:06
Glenn
Yeah, yeah. So, he used to say, imagine the five rings as being the five different color of the skins of people on the Earth. So each ring has its own agency, their own choice or an identity. But with that, one of the rings, the flag will never be whole. It'll be separate. So, for me, mums, mums.
00:54:25:06 - 00:54:31:00
Glenn
You know, I'm Roy and Dad's Irish, so I've got two rings. I've got a white ring and a brown ring. Nigel. Okay.
00:54:31:02 - 00:54:33:03
Preston
Good, guys. Good.
00:54:33:05 - 00:54:53:25
Glenn
And then. But I'll have to learn. Come back to your question on on your bet. Yeah, I learn about other people's culture. Yeah I know you got the the African-American, the black ring and then the red ring, the the Asian, like American Indian. And you got the yellow ring, the Asian, identity. And so each of those rings helps me to see.
00:54:53:28 - 00:55:22:20
Glenn
How far I've learned about myself, my own colors of the of the circles, but also how much I mean, entwined and and embedded in the big picture. And so I when I get caught in my head, that message would come down and drop down and be like, five rings would be the easiest way to, to how have the whole information drop in and it's like, just remember, Glenn, you don't know everything.
00:55:22:24 - 00:55:48:28
Glenn
You might you might think, you know, a lot of things about this or this, but there's all these other things that you're learning about and you're seeing through, relationships and communication, connection, community. So that, has been the biggest thing for me to, to, to keep moving forward and to be a searcher to be inquisitive, to reset myself again and again.
00:55:48:28 - 00:56:14:13
Glenn
Again, like I just said, come back from two weeks in Bali and, and the last three and a half years, I've just poured so much information into this physical presence and this spirit, and it's, and seeing a lot of different stuff of morals, and it's like. It's like, well, some people play the, the didgeridoo. They, they feel the breath up and I push the breath out.
00:56:14:15 - 00:56:43:03
Glenn
Right. They're blowing a balloon. They're my teachers. Always say, no, don't breathe that. Breathe in. And it's quite interesting in my research in, in Arnhem Land, I talk about the didgeridoo as the your dicky boy idea. Okay, I, I okay, and so, bingo. If that's an outbreath of a connection to me and, breath out, what's the breath before the outbreath?
00:56:43:03 - 00:57:10:03
Glenn
And so I've made a word I called edochie. And it's not a racist word. Even a spell. Add a, I it's a silence before the breath. And that's been really interesting for me myself when of going even this word in this moment, in this time, right now, gone catch myself before I speak. You know, my my dad used to say, put your brain in the game before you open your mouth.
00:57:10:04 - 00:57:14:25
Glenn
You know, it's all just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:57:14:28 - 00:57:40:10
Glenn
And so this. Self-awareness is, I'm here myself yesterday I want speaking to 200 kids at the at the house, at the university and trying to tap into each and every one of them from a connection point of view and not, talking yet them point of view, and to engage them in the information and to to ask them what is their knowledge, what is their wisdom?
00:57:40:10 - 00:57:56:20
Glenn
How do I put the pieces together and where where do they want to go with that? And what part of the jigsaw puzzle did I say it? And so I've not given the answer, but I tell him, this is a question for you to consider. This John work sort of thing. You know.
00:57:56:22 - 00:58:33:09
Linda
And I think as an audience, because I do something similar, like, I will rarely plan everything that I'm going to say before I get up and say it, because what I'm speaking is actually a response to the energy that's in front of me. And I've got to allow that to come first before I respond. And I don't well, I don't think in terms of an audience, an audience realizes that, that they're not there to just receive.
00:58:33:09 - 00:59:09:28
Linda
I think in particular when it's in school or students and I like sit in front of your teacher and listen to what they say and stuff like that. But I don't think they realize how much they're participating and engaging with you, even though you're at the front and maybe the only person at the front. And don't realize that in true reciprocity, it's flowing back and forth that you're actually only getting from me what I am receiving from you.
00:59:10:00 - 00:59:29:00
Linda
And I know a lot of people, you know, they do their speeches, they're very planned, and they do deliver. But yeah, personally, I can't operate like that. Very much. Response to the people in front of me. Yeah, yeah.
00:59:29:03 - 00:59:56:03
Glenn
Yeah, in a much less way. We call it, so tight perform so martial arts. Practicing by yourself is one part of it. You'll have to learn the different, different forms, different movements. But it's only until I apply with another person that I can actually put that into practice and find the limitations of that. Why? Yeah. If I do something with a 120 kilo man and I did it, I do it technique, it doesn't work.
00:59:56:03 - 01:00:17:16
Glenn
And then I did the same technique on a six year old lady. And I use the same energy. I might just break her bones. So I have to, variation. Adapt. Yeah. So that reciprocity of what is the energy in this moment. Yeah. And that's a modeling thing that really interests me. And putting things into practice without needing it.
01:00:17:19 - 01:00:47:21
Glenn
You know, like if reaction for me is when I was going for my third then black belt, we have, causation, attacker and defendant. So I want attacks. And then once I've done that thing, then the other person will attack. And so one defends, one attacks. And I have a judge, so to speak, and, I, you might I go to the side and so I'm going through the stuff and, and I just, I spent hours doing the theory side of things, you know, all the different body parts and the pressure points.
01:00:47:21 - 01:01:10:05
Glenn
You know, it's around the different pressure points that the learning in Japanese and and then straight into the physical test. And we have, face masks and chest protectors and groin protectors. So it's full on it's like combat. And then we we'd finished our, you know, on a dummy attack. And then the judge said, don't you go back to your saw.
01:01:10:05 - 01:01:35:18
Glenn
It's just like, you know, it's like beginning of boxing sort of thing. You got back to your side and then you start again. And next thing you know, I got this big haymaker from behind and it's just smack my face and whoa. And I remember time slowed down and my first thing was to react. It's like, smack the guy that smack me, who was my training partner.
01:01:35:21 - 01:02:09:03
Glenn
And then a or a millisecond off that was like, hang on, I got a choice here. I can act. And so I come back to, just smiling on while I'm still standing. And if I react, then they'll know my judgment because the high again, it's not about the the forms, it's about how you carry yourself. And that sort of thing permeates in my, my day to day, how hard myself, how I make a choice in my actions, not my reactions.
01:02:09:06 - 01:02:38:15
Glenn
So I'm discerning even those little re indigenous rising, not reacting, reinventing even. You know, it's a little bit different, but decolonization is is pulling colonization into the conversation instead of it, which is, for me, social emotional well-being from a head space and reacting to the system instead of what have I got to offer myself in this moment? That is strength.
01:02:38:15 - 01:02:56:14
Glenn
Bias is not getting caught up in the problem. You know, I can talk about ten hours about the problem, but I haven't made one solution in that ten hours of the problem. So I've just dug the hole deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. So for me, it's like I'm not saying what people do is is wrong.
01:02:56:14 - 01:03:19:23
Glenn
I'm saying for me, the choice is how do I move forward with that? Taking more problems on becoming more worried, becoming more sick, more disease, you know, have we got the biggest kidney dialysis problem in the in the world in Australia. And for me, the direct connection is is the fear, the pain. It's in the kidneys. You know, that we we take on the pain.
01:03:19:25 - 01:03:40:21
Glenn
You know, we are so sensitive whether we operate in the healing space or not, just by being indigenous. We've taken a lot of trauma. So for me, my own healing is is catching what I put on the ba5, what I put on the plate, what I, what I eat, what I absorb, what I digest or or doesn't digest.
01:03:40:21 - 01:04:05:20
Glenn
It gets stuck. It goes in, but it doesn't. I don't let it go. Yeah. So that's semantically, you know, the academic space and the creative space where they overlap of my own identity of, you know, coming into my own indigeneity when I was 25, I looked at that as, a 25 year old man, but I'm a zero year old Aboriginal fella.
01:04:05:22 - 01:04:23:25
Glenn
But then I look at it and go, no, hang on a minute. You know my day. And I goes back before zero. It goes back a long way. So I've been out to see, you know. Hey, man, I mean, you know, Ireland, it means, obviously Glenn is that sees both sides. So I can say my my, my Caucasian side.
01:04:23:28 - 01:04:34:00
Glenn
Morrison. And I can say my, you know, more from being a same time. And that's been an interesting way of,
01:04:34:02 - 01:04:58:23
Glenn
Just stopping and. God, thank you. I'm on this side of the fence, but I can't say over there. I said yesterday, I said if I a number six in front of everybody and I'm looking at the audience, what do you see? And I got what they say and nor is it yet correct. Who's right here. You know. So the perspective is giving myself a chance to observe the world around me.
01:04:58:24 - 01:05:14:03
Glenn
You know, as you say, that reaction, the relationship with the people and then the the words come through the Google, they come through this, the, you know, the this is the subject we're going to tap on to tap into. No different than this conversation. We're having it, you know.
01:05:14:05 - 01:05:32:21
Linda
So, healing is very much a part of your being. And only one element of healing is through music, because you also have other ways in terms of that healing channel.
01:05:32:28 - 01:05:34:26
Glenn
01:05:34:28 - 01:06:00:20
Linda
Why and what is so powerful for you around using music in the healing space. I've been blessed enough to be in that space numerous times. And I know what it is for me, but what is it for you.
01:06:00:22 - 01:06:24:15
Glenn
Yeah. I think you need to free up this conversation with my own injury. I fell over when I was a chef. Crushed. So far, this one. And I spent a lot of time. I spent hundreds of thousand dollars of trying to get myself back to physical presence. So I'm paralyzed in my legs. I still can't feel that.
01:06:24:15 - 01:06:36:09
Glenn
So I'm a little bit numb since it's since that on. So, I'm in a constant reminder with my pain that.
01:06:36:11 - 01:07:07:19
Glenn
Helps me to, slow down. Yeah, it helps me to question which direction I'm going, what pace am I pushing myself towards, or what pace am I holding myself that I can sustain? I think, First Nations sing sustainability is the crux of Out of out culture. So in healing, I've learned some things. Quick fix. If I cut myself up, brought, the Western system is is good for that.
01:07:07:19 - 01:07:27:12
Glenn
But there's things that the western system misses. And I'll go, well, what is that? And so I've gone through Chinese medicine. I've gone through, internal healing, like the, the arts, the martial arts and qigong culture, yoga sort of stuff.
01:07:27:15 - 01:07:53:14
Glenn
And so those are funny stories. I when I was, I was doing some research in the spiritual space. I met this doctor from Puerto Rico, Doctor Francisco, called and went. It was 2 to 2 yarns I want to share. First one is he's talking to 3040 people at Crumlin Valley and it's ten minutes, 15 minutes. I knew it first time I'd ever met this fella.
01:07:53:14 - 01:08:15:24
Glenn
And I'll go, who is this fella? And his old man, probably in his late 60s, early 70s, was not too much old. Now, because I'm in my 60s, I just turned 60 and he stopped mid-sentence and he looked at me straight in my eyes and he said in his Puerto Rican Spanish accent said, hey, hey, hey, if you don't like what you're listening to, the door's right behind you.
01:08:15:27 - 01:08:31:16
Glenn
And I'm like, whoa, did he just read my mind? It's all gone. I was questioning all this stuff, but on the money, you know, like Chinese poker face. I was, like, trying to hide this sort of stuff. But he read me. And so in that moment, I've gone, well, I could say, you know, stuff you. I'm out of here.
01:08:31:17 - 01:08:35:27
Glenn
Or I could say, well, there's something in that because he just called me.
01:08:36:04 - 01:08:36:16
Glenn
Yeah.
01:08:36:18 - 01:09:01:21
Glenn
And so I end up staying anyway. So that afternoon we went and had a bit of social. My, my friends has a Crumlin on the beach and we're in the house. And Francisco was having his port. He's drinking. He's he's red once one of the and and I'm at the kitchen table with all these people and I hear this a Michael is that a didgeridoo over in the corner.
01:09:01:24 - 01:09:21:06
Glenn
And the owner of the house, Michael. He goes, yes, Francisco. I said, so what? Don't you get it and give it a glen? And I'm here. I'm looking round looking. Is there another glen in this room? Like, was it? And I'd never. I'd never touch the didgeridoo. I'd never seen it, never been around it. You never heard of didgeridoo live ever before that moment.
01:09:21:09 - 01:09:24:20
Glenn
Next thing, this dude just shoved down in my nose and everyone's gone.
01:09:24:21 - 01:09:26:23
Glenn
Play, play, play is if.
01:09:26:24 - 01:09:29:10
Glenn
No, I didn't know that I didn't that I didn't play.
01:09:29:14 - 01:09:31:03
Glenn
Yeah.
01:09:31:06 - 01:09:36:29
Glenn
And I failed miserably. And so.
01:09:37:01 - 01:10:09:11
Glenn
It wasn't until three months later when my grandfather passed by. My mom's brother, Guy, was a family tree, and we found out, indigenous history from Dinger and, bingo. And so the full circle of the deer just being part of that was, that was there before my identity was clear. Yeah. And so coming full circle, the authenticity is the key word for me is, is, you know, the young game upside is an extension of of of your of your heart especially with it's alive.
01:10:09:11 - 01:10:34:00
Glenn
It's alive. It's it's a breathing. It's, you know, it's like a mountain or a river, you know, it's alive. So my healing is, being authentic, you know, I know when I'm in the presence in the. Now, my didgeridoo can only be now I can't. I mean, we did. The NRL goes down, tell a badger one time and Yasmin is speak and the words came out of my mouth.
01:10:34:03 - 01:10:58:01
Glenn
You can't do the next breath. You can't do this breath and a lot and all gone. Hang on. Those words never of in my mouth before I. Oh, where did that come from? But it was like it was interesting because it's my greatest teacher is to be with the didgeridoo and to let the didgeridoo, as you say, feel the energy of what's going on around.
01:10:58:04 - 01:11:30:01
Glenn
And so there's all sorts of versions of, you know, you can you can look up a million different doctors for a million different things. But this is my doctor, this is my, my healing. And when I feel authenticity in being me, I feel that other people can give them so permission to be themself. Yeah. And that for me is the ultimate doctor is, you know, the bodies are Burma to themselves are their own doctor.
01:11:30:03 - 01:11:31:20
Linda
And don't they may be you.
01:11:31:27 - 01:11:33:10
Glenn
Yeah. We'll be a little bit, you.
01:11:33:12 - 01:11:37:00
Glenn
Know,
01:11:37:02 - 01:11:39:13
Preston
We'll share you,
01:11:39:16 - 01:11:43:12
Glenn
With,
01:11:43:15 - 01:12:14:15
Preston
It's. Yeah. Again. But you know, that in itself, you have different interpretations of it. Andy. What's your what's your take on at all? Like, not just didgeridoo. I mean, when we, when we talk about, in general, like, even just somebody voice, artistically being of nature can, can heal the soul can heal the spirit.
01:12:14:18 - 01:12:48:12
Linda
I think for me, when it comes to art, it's about that connection, the authenticity, but it's also that it can take and be tailored in whatever form suits you. Like I always just say, mate, I can't draw to save myself. You know, I'm not artistic, but I am artistic in other ways in terms of connecting, sharing and expressing in other forms that suit me.
01:12:48:15 - 01:13:22:00
Linda
It's not my role and it's not my, destiny to be a great artist. And I'm happy with that. Anon. Sorry, I shouldn't say artist in terms of painting, art or drawing art, that's not my forte. And I don't connect properly with that form. So I think in terms of, it's about everyone can connect in a different way.
01:13:22:00 - 01:14:23:01
Linda
And it's the journey of the connection and the authenticity, which is special. And that I love to see when people truly, connect and they express themselves through different art forms. And that, you see, the natural connections that happen with children where they might just naturally, be able to sing or play certain instruments or draw, and before you can polish that, to see that come forth naturally is quite beautiful, especially like through children, when you see them express that without being prompted does, you know, I draw mum a house or a flower or, or whatever.
01:14:23:03 - 01:14:30:11
Linda
When you see that come out naturally, it's just so special.
01:14:30:13 - 01:14:41:16
Preston
It's know like it's not your form whether it's painting or whatnot. Not that that kind of art form, but it's important to appreciate it. And I think that's what the.
01:14:41:16 - 01:14:42:13
Glenn
Oh, yes.
01:14:42:19 - 01:14:44:09
Linda
Absolutely.
01:14:44:12 - 01:15:05:09
Preston
I mean, being able to be appreciative of, of whether it's the art form with the paint, art form with the voice, with the with the instrument, it's important to appreciate other, and interpreted in the way that, you want to interpret it, but always take it on as a, as a positive thing, which is really, really important.
01:15:05:09 - 01:15:28:10
Preston
You know, the thing is, something like, did we do we can all connect to that. Yeah, we can all can connect to we might not be able to play the dead. We might not be able to, paint or we might, might not be able to to sing, but we can all appreciate each other. And that's, that's the important aspect, I think that that connects us.
01:15:28:13 - 01:15:58:05
Preston
Did we do for me brings me back the nightmare. It comes from nature. We come from nature. The American Indian flute comes from nature. That the bagpipes come from nature. That drums in, in Africa, the stringed instruments from from Asia. They all come from nature. And I know when I hear all of these instruments, they give me goosebumps.
01:15:58:07 - 01:15:59:25
Glenn
You meet bumps.
01:15:59:27 - 01:16:22:09
Preston
I think maybe I'm thinking about name you bumps. And that's just like, when you when you do the haka from from the people of New Zealand, it gives me goose. Well, Amy by Amy bumps. It gives me, it gives me, give me that. The ears on my neck and my arms just stick up because this is frequency that it gives us.
01:16:22:11 - 01:16:28:26
Preston
It just as you're feeling a certain way, you know, and that's, that's the connection that that that I like and.
01:16:28:28 - 01:16:29:21
Glenn
Yes.
01:16:29:24 - 01:16:47:20
Preston
I, I don't understand all of that. I just know it makes me feel really, really good and allows me to be more, more curious. And, and it allows me to appreciate, appreciate that whether I understand it or not.
01:16:47:22 - 01:17:14:12
Glenn
Yeah. I think appreciation come back to the young ones of for me, identity is a bit mixed at the moment in the 21st century for the young ones, and I appreciation when I hear that word, I hear I love myself enough to love something else and sort of myself. And so that in itself is the key to, to stepping in and expanding that self-awareness world and seeing the beauty in others.
01:17:14:19 - 01:17:41:21
Glenn
Because I have it in me. Yeah. And then you know that FOMO sort of thing gets dissolved. I remember in Covid we couldn't play. We we had to play when I had my band, psychosis on journeys and we, we we'd have, regular gigs once a month. And then Covid came and all of a sudden we had to have, separation at 1.5 minutes for people to line up, and you had to sign the form and all that, all the health sort of stuff.
01:17:41:21 - 01:18:04:18
Glenn
And it was the interesting thing. So this, though, was that social distancing was the term that I used. And then Covid finished and then I was like, so what do we do now? And come back, the word healing and interpretation of that, and how do we put that into practice? Also, what's the opposite of social distancing as social connection?
01:18:04:20 - 01:18:23:06
Glenn
Oh, connection. That's that's been built now and I go in First Nations way. That's what we do. You know, it's who we are. It's not I'm Glenn who's Goma I said I'm Gomery. Who is Glenn? You know so we think not amazing. And that healing of.
01:18:23:09 - 01:18:36:03
Glenn
Not caring. Getting lost in the crowd but recognizing without you know you have 100 piece jigsaw and you miss one piece. It's never going to be finished.
01:18:36:05 - 01:18:40:01
Linda
I have that often. We have this discussion of.
01:18:40:02 - 01:18:45:20
Glenn
Ever and always one piece missing like.
01:18:45:22 - 01:19:06:04
Preston
What's interesting is that like, Oh, God. Oh, two boys. That's nice. And if there was a piece or a number of pieces missing, I'd try to go manufacture base, fit, but it's it's not the same time. It's not the same. That is. Yeah.
01:19:06:07 - 01:19:08:17
Glenn
One interesting analogy. What a metaphor.
01:19:08:20 - 01:19:13:23
Preston
Yeah. I didn't even know that was a metaphor for anything.
01:19:13:25 - 01:19:17:00
Glenn
This is this just just.
01:19:17:03 - 01:19:19:23
Preston
Yeah. You can be in any way you want.
01:19:19:23 - 01:19:20:24
Glenn
Yeah.
01:19:20:26 - 01:19:36:13
Preston
You know, again, the piece isn't. Yeah. It might be lost if we want to call it that, but we can find the piece. There you go. But but you have to find it in a way that's not manufactured. We we have to do the work. We have to do the work.
01:19:36:16 - 01:19:38:14
Linda
Properly or it ain't going to fit.
01:19:38:16 - 01:19:41:17
Glenn
Yeah. Winds up coming out.
01:19:41:20 - 01:19:45:15
Glenn
Oh. Oh. We got straight to the moon.
01:19:45:15 - 01:19:49:20
Preston
Honestly, to me, this would be the longest book in the world.
01:19:49:20 - 01:19:57:07
Linda
I think my I've finished our first book would have been, well, 15 years ago, I reckon.
01:19:57:09 - 01:19:58:22
Glenn
Yeah.
01:19:58:24 - 01:20:09:17
Linda
So we have one book waiting. Anyone out? They want to help publish? We have one now. We need to write another three to make up for the.
01:20:09:17 - 01:20:13:15
Glenn
Last 15 minutes.
01:20:13:17 - 01:20:17:15
Preston
It's. Yeah, it's,
01:20:17:18 - 01:20:19:07
Linda
I talk to me about a book.
01:20:19:14 - 01:20:19:28
Glenn
Yeah.
01:20:20:04 - 01:20:21:08
Glenn
What? I've learned.
01:20:21:10 - 01:20:23:07
Glenn
Everything.
01:20:23:10 - 01:20:30:25
Preston
Well, that's. Yeah, that's the thing, and that's the thing. And that's why I said do unto you in a did appreciate the time you took.
01:20:30:27 - 01:20:33:10
Glenn
Off, Yeah.
01:20:33:12 - 01:20:43:29
Preston
To go out and and hurt this book. But that's that was my thought. I've learned so much. Yeah. Even in that time, she was right in the book, it's like, can you had this?
01:20:44:01 - 01:20:49:18
Glenn
Yeah. Cave and cave and and.
01:20:49:20 - 01:20:59:26
Preston
You can't, I can't, I can't be one of those people that writes multiple. I'd like to just write one. One book. One book.
01:20:59:29 - 01:21:07:12
Linda
So I still go, yeah, thanks for bringing that up. Thank you. I think I need some healing from that now.
01:21:07:15 - 01:21:22:00
Preston
So where do we where do we start? I know, I know you yourself. Auntie, and and myself, we we work in the spaces that, we're passionate about in, in trying to,
01:21:22:03 - 01:21:26:20
Preston
Create spaces where people can come and heal, not just be traded.
01:21:26:22 - 01:21:29:24
Glenn
01:21:29:26 - 01:21:46:18
Preston
What do we do? What do we do in terms of trying to bring the, the the multiples into the audience, into to come in and listen to Glen, talk to you about, talk to them. About what? What you're all about.
01:21:46:20 - 01:21:47:11
Glenn
Yeah.
01:21:47:13 - 01:21:52:00
Linda
Connect to your day once it's published. Yes. Well, like,
01:21:52:03 - 01:21:53:10
Preston
I'm I'm trying not to.
01:21:53:12 - 01:21:53:22
Linda
Give.
01:21:53:22 - 01:21:55:04
Preston
In to get a lot of work for you.
01:21:55:06 - 01:21:56:03
Glenn
Yeah. That's it.
01:21:56:03 - 01:22:19:02
Preston
But that's that's the thing. I mean, we all we all have a part to play. Yeah. In this journey, you know. You know, it's not it's not just going to be Glen not, you know, Linda and any people out that are doing great work in this space, we we all have to, be able to, play a part, play role in it all because there are a lot of people out there, not just Aboriginal tourists at all.
01:22:19:02 - 01:22:34:03
Preston
The people is people from all walks of life that need, need healing. So, how do people engage in what you're doing? Whether it's indigenous or non-Indigenous people?
01:22:34:06 - 01:22:58:10
Glenn
Yeah. I mean, there's two sides that, you know, the business of it, so to speak, is, you know, any, any business people. Only find out about it in the PR side of it, you know, the promotion of it. I mean, when I, when I was in America, I used to do body work, you know, in Australia, physical healing work.
01:22:58:13 - 01:23:14:24
Glenn
And, you know, that burnt me out a bit because, you know, back to back to back to back, you know, all the sudden you just like I got nothing left for myself or for clients. So I, I was in America and, and an American guy in Nevada, in Las Vegas heard about me and he said, oh, I've, I've heard some good stuff about you.
01:23:14:24 - 01:23:21:20
Glenn
I said, oh, yes. And he goes, he, he was doing these,
01:23:21:22 - 01:23:52:25
Glenn
Charts, let's say, on business, where spirituality fits into the business model. And he said in, in Las Vegas, it's needed not just by Joe Blow, but by the CEO as a corporate. Yeah. Because they get so stuck in their own frame that, that they, they struggle with the spirituality implementation into their day to day. Hey, guys, how much you charge for your massages, for your healing work?
01:23:52:25 - 01:24:28:22
Glenn
I said, $60 or $60 Australian at the time and the US dollar was nearly $1.20 or something, or 30 maybe, maybe nearly. Alright, 60, 50 or something. Anyway, so it was way more money exchange, one for one, like 1.5 to $1. You guys, would you be up for, an exchange? I said, what does that mean? I said, if I'll offer you my, my workshop on my spiritual charts in business and you can do you can do your healing work with me, I said, yeah, okay, let's do that.
01:24:28:22 - 01:25:00:24
Glenn
So I started doing the healing work with my Deej. And that was one of the first times that I brought them together. But what I found was in the chart that he shared the words, fear came up, and it wasn't fear of failure. It was fear of success. So what's going to happen if I'm if everybody knows me, if they know what I do, how am I going to be at it?
01:25:00:28 - 01:25:27:15
Glenn
Juggle that. And so I've sort of for a long time been on the sideline on that sort of space. And in the last couple of years I've really stepped into you know, these sort of podcasts and these opportunities and talking to, you know, we're at no, we're at Jam Open, you know, with 50,000 people there last year in November, you know, so being on the stage is is something that, you know people.
01:25:27:15 - 01:25:28:10
Glenn
God you aren't.
01:25:28:10 - 01:25:34:18
Glenn
You aren't you scared of standing in front of 50,000 people? That it's just another day. It's just people, you know.
01:25:34:21 - 01:25:37:26
Glenn
Those people. Yeah. Yeah.
01:25:37:28 - 01:25:42:23
Glenn
And so.
01:25:42:26 - 01:26:01:00
Glenn
I know there's stages sort of things. I mean, I've got to, you know, get my house in order, you know, like, I can't go for shows. I can't go fishing yet. Yeah. So. Well, I can't go fishing yet. I'm fixing my nets. Yeah, I'm staying at home and making sure I'm ready for the moment where I've got my doctorate.
01:26:01:00 - 01:26:24:16
Glenn
I've got the piece of paper on Prove Myself. And I'm not better or worse, but equal to anything in the system I can share my way. And that that is, I think what people resonate with. It's not necessarily the didgeridoo, because the teachers too, is just a voice of a part of me. The energy that we have and we carry, that's what people resonate with me.
01:26:24:17 - 01:26:50:17
Glenn
That's it's I dunno what it is about this person, but I like this person. Yeah. You might meet someone first time, and, I know nothing about them, but you, you connect with them. And conversely, I met that person. I don't even want to sign anything. I don't want to even go there, you know? And so these things, tuning into self-awareness again, tuning to my own, with my own Gourley, my own voice.
01:26:50:17 - 01:27:14:14
Glenn
What is it that I'm able to articulate with myself? Not necessarily try to tell someone about some thing that I don't like? You know, I can go on about that forever. Or I could go on about the great stuff I've heard. Have you heard about Muhammad I or baba baba baba baba baba? But you know, it's it's okay, but there's chit chat and then there's deep and real surface.
01:27:14:16 - 01:27:15:00
Glenn
Yeah.
01:27:15:02 - 01:27:16:10
Linda
Stuff. Yeah.
01:27:16:13 - 01:27:22:00
Glenn
Yeah. So just, keep playing the game.
01:27:22:03 - 01:27:24:10
Linda
Okay? Playing the game.
01:27:24:12 - 01:27:26:05
Glenn
Just work out what the rules are. Chess.
01:27:26:07 - 01:27:30:13
Linda
Day on the journey, and people will, either join you or not.
01:27:30:16 - 01:27:33:01
Glenn
Yeah.
01:27:33:03 - 01:27:35:11
Glenn
So I've got a question for you, too.
01:27:35:13 - 01:27:41:14
Glenn
Oh, hey. Hey, this. Hey, I is that there?
01:27:41:16 - 01:27:45:17
Glenn
There's no hierarchy in this.
01:27:45:19 - 01:27:47:19
Glenn
Hahaha.
01:27:47:21 - 01:27:49:06
Linda
Oh, I think we've run out of time.
01:27:49:09 - 01:27:54:02
Glenn
Yeah. Go on.
01:27:54:02 - 01:27:56:04
Linda
Go on then.
01:27:56:06 - 01:28:05:01
Glenn
What's been your heart light from this conversation, this yarn? What stood out to you so far?
01:28:05:03 - 01:28:33:21
Linda
I'm going to go first, so I'm just buttoning. It's a time like for me, it's time together. It's our yarns, right? And it's the value in those yarns that it's not surface level stuff. It's about us connecting with our hearts. And that's why, you know, whenever you and I and Preston, whenever we all get together, it's never surface level conversations.
01:28:33:21 - 01:29:01:09
Linda
It is true. Yarns and in that I want to lead by example and share that with others and share the ability to be vulnerable but have true yarns. So, you know, the highlight is yarning, true yarning, true yearning. Yeah.
01:29:01:11 - 01:29:22:19
Preston
Yes, I am honestly and it's it's great to hear everything you're talking about. I can I can relate to on every level. You know, the way the way you speak about it. It takes me a little time to for it to register. But I understand what you're saying, you know, and that for me is and I highlight the fact that we're we're thinking the same.
01:29:22:19 - 01:29:44:14
Preston
We're feeling the same, and we want to be able to, create, create the same sort of change in the same sort of way. You know, I'd say definitely the highlight of my day has been a dawn with. Yeah, yeah. You know, I think. Yeah. So far.
01:29:44:16 - 01:29:45:07
Glenn
So far. Yeah.
01:29:45:08 - 01:29:49:13
Glenn
You know, right here, right now that,
01:29:49:15 - 01:30:04:09
Preston
Yeah, it's been a been a great conversation and. Yeah, one that I've enjoyed. It's, there's so many things that, that it touched on. And I believe that people that are listening or watching that they get just as much from, from it as I have.
01:30:04:11 - 01:30:14:26
Linda
Absolutely. I think just one small disclosure is that, maybe don't listen to the debate when you're driving.
01:30:14:29 - 01:30:16:16
Glenn
Oh, yeah. For the people listening, for.
01:30:16:16 - 01:30:34:10
Linda
The people listening. Because if you're truly listening, to and, and I'm serious, if you're truly listening to that, part, be in a place where you can hear it through your whole body.
01:30:34:13 - 01:30:34:22
Glenn
Yeah.
01:30:34:26 - 01:30:43:18
Linda
And yeah, if you are driving in the car, maybe turn it down for a bit so that you can listen to it again when you're in a really good spot.
01:30:43:21 - 01:30:44:15
Glenn
Yeah.
01:30:44:17 - 01:31:08:28
Linda
To, to truly soak that bit up because I appreciate you sharing that with us. Yeah. Starting and finishing with it. So I yeah just that tip for, for our listeners to be mindful of because they might then relisten just to those bits. But yeah, in a good spot physically in a good.
01:31:08:28 - 01:31:12:00
Glenn
Spot, you know. Yeah.
01:31:12:02 - 01:31:14:06
Preston
What do you reckon. One more time.
01:31:14:07 - 01:31:14:16
Glenn
One more.
01:31:14:16 - 01:31:15:26
Glenn
Time. Zero. Yeah.
01:31:15:27 - 01:31:18:02
Linda
Yo, you get the last breath.
01:31:18:04 - 01:32:20:21
Glenn
Yeah. Well, thanks, everybody, for taking the time to, to step in and listen and bring your contemplations and ideas, your reflections and, Yeah. Good luck with your all your own journeys, Yahweh. Hope.
01:32:20:23 - 01:32:21:24
Glenn
Up.
01:32:21:27 - 01:32:31:24
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Unknown
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Unknown
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01:32:48:15 - 01:32:51:01
Glenn
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Unknown
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01:33:05:26 - 01:33:11:20
Unknown
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01:33:11:22 - 01:33:14:17
Glenn
01:33:14:20 - 01:33:23:15
Unknown
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