The Good Wife: Season 4, Episode 21 - A More Perfect Union

This week on The Good Pod, we’re breaking down The Good Wife Season 4, Episode 21, “A More Perfect Union.” Alicia gets dragged into a labor dispute after Veronica volunteers her to help workers at tech company Blowtorch, only for things to spiral into union votes, Nancy Crozier chaos, and a ChumHum twist. Meanwhile, the assistants at Lockhart Gardner start whispering about forming their own union—putting Alicia in an awkward management position. On the campaign trail, Peter asks Alicia to renew their vows, and after a powerhouse interview defending him, she makes a big decision. And just when it seems settled… Veronica pushes Will to act. With the Season 4 finale looming, the Will/Alicia/Peter triangle is hotter than ever.

 00:00 – Funeral awkwardness and Owen calls out Alicia on Peter
 12:30 – Blowtorch workers consider unionizing
 24:40 – Peter proposes renewing vows on the campaign bus
 36:00 – Assistants threaten to form a union at Lockhart Gardner
 1:03:00 – Veronica confronts Will about Alicia

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# The Good Wife S4 E21

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Welcome to the Good Pod, where today we're talking about The Good Wife, season four, episode 21. I am one of your hosts, Jason Reed. With me as always, someone who is, uh, I guess technically management of this, uh, podcast enterprise, uh, the, the man, if you will. Uh, the man, the mar, the Marissa Garza. Marissa, you good?

Yeah, I'm good. Yeah, you, I mean, it's not, it's just by default I'm an eldest daughter. I'm a Capricorn and I really can't help myself. That's really, that's really how it goes. Yeah. I mean, I really gotta get all the staff and employees not to watch this episode of the, Hey, I would be, though, I would be leading the charge to form a podcaster's union if, but you can't, you're, you're, your management.

You, you, you really want to give up, like, you know, stuff to all of our employees, all the people that work, all of [00:01:00] them, all, all two of us. I mean, listen, we got interns, we got uh, editors, we got all this stuff, right? You don't wanna, you don't want to, to start asking for stuff, asking demands. That breaks my heart.

But yeah, I mean, listen, if we, if this takes off, right? If, if we get big, you know, halfway, please warm me again, please. For the love of God, no, as, as part owner of the Good Pot, Inc. We will not be, uh, we'll not be encouraging this nonsense. I very much the David here folks, very much. It's very clear whose side is who's on which side.

Here I am for the people, Jason, the people, and I am for money. Okay. Big time. I'm big time pro money guy. Uh, traditionally. Um, anyway, not that we even have to worry about that. Okay. Right now. 'cause there's what's going on. Free podcast. Yeah. But I'm just saying in the future [00:02:00] when we hit it big Yes. When that, that moment comes when the kings get wind of who we are, when the Kings call, they, they, they go, Hey, everyone that's fans of the Good Wife goals of this podcast.

And then we just start like, hitting it big. We just gotta remember who we are, what we're about, which is money is the people. Money. The people. Money people. People that get us money. Yeah. Who share, people who share money. There's no sharing. There's no sharing. There's, uh. Flat fees, and then anything else comes to us.

Okay. That's just, we'll on same page, this conversation as when it comes up. We'll, we come back. Glad page Marissa. I'm glad we're on the same page. Anyway, uh, before we dive too deep into this episode, do you wanna remind you of some free and easy ways you can share this podcast and help us out to get to the eyes and the ears of more people to get us that notoriety that will get us all that, uh, cheddar cheese.

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Uh, but when we do, I assure you you'll be taking most of it, me and me and mar me and good old Omar over here. Um, okay. Marissa? Yes, Mar. Mm. Let's dive into the episode. Alright. Alright. This episode is titled A More Perfect Union. And just like last time, we're gonna run this down from top [00:04:00] two bottom. This episode opens at a funeral and I was a bit confused.

I was like, oh, what happened? Uh, we have Alicia and Owen at a funeral and. They're having a conversation about like, did you know the guy? I didn't know the guy. Did you know the guy? And it is assumed that this person is connected to their mother in some way, shape, or form. But um, at the moment, we don't know where Veronica is.

And so Alicia and Owen steal this moment to have a conversation between the two of them as brother and sister. And I hated it. You hated, I loved, I loved, I mean, I love the Owen conversation, but I hated the Alicia part of the conversation. Peter, love Peter. He's changed. He's such a good man, but blah, blah, blah.

And Owen's like the man. He's not changed. Alicia. He has not changed. Yeah. I, I, I knew you would, uh, take issue with Alicia's side on this and, but I, I love the, oh, I love almost any oh, and Alicia conversation because I feel like this is the most vulnerable [00:05:00] Alicia Yes. Can and will get is talking to Owen like throughout the history of this series so far.

We, we know, we know the real Alicia, when she's talking to Owen, she will, she's like, he's the person she'll open up most to. So it's really good to let, to be let in on really her, her thought process here. And yeah, I, you know, it's, uh, Owen is Owen, as he has done before, it's just like, hey, like, why don't you throw caution to the wind?

Like, you know, it's, it's should be all about you and Will. What's the problem? What, why, why aren't you going to, to, to, to the will side of things? Well, and I thought it was interesting because as you said, she's very vulnerable when she talks to her brother. And so she even admits like, yeah, we kissed. And she's like, it's not good.

Like, I mean, like, it's good, but it's not good that it's good. You know what I mean? And he's like, your body is telling you something. And it's, it's true, right? Because we saw in the episode before, like she's having a like, physical Yes. Visceral reaction to not having will. It is, it is a will draw as I term, as the Yes you term My coins last episode.

She's really like, her [00:06:00] body's like shivering without Will. She's like, she's, and Owen says like, your, yeah. Your, your body is telling you it needs to be, will not, not, uh, not stink, old, stupid Peter. Yeah. And she says the reason why she can't be with Will is because it didn't set, like, it didn't feel like a long term thing.

And I like how Owen challenges is her challenges her here and says, you know, like, oh, look at you. You cut it off before it even had a chance to be a long-term thing. So you can't really get mad at will for that. But I don't, I think that's, I was confused. I was so to confused about, like, I don't, I didn't, I didn't get the sense that was the reason at the time, which, you know, is a fault on the show for not really kind of.

Yeah, if that was the reasoning explaining that, I thought the reasoning was basically that Alicia didn't want to kind of upend her life, which she thought it would do if she, uh, went out with Will, that she would have to, things would change at work. And, you know, she's thinking mostly of her kids, her family, how this would affect them.

So I thought that was mainly like the reason, not that it wasn't [00:07:00] long term. Alicia didn't, Alicia was trying so hard to not make it long term at the time. Exactly. From my perspective, will was like, I will marry you and be with you till the end of time. And she was like, I just wanna have fun. Yeah. She, he's like, I'll be a stepdad to your ratty ass kids.

That's fine. I'll down with it and I'll awkward conversations with Will in the office. Oh yeah. You're like, hello. Yeah. It's like, uh, Alicia Alicia's the one that's like, ah, hold on buddy. Like, this is just some booty calls. Like, let's not, let's not go crazy about this. Um, so yeah, that was, uh, that was. A weird reasoning for her to give to Owen.

I was like, I, I didn't feel that in, in, in, at the time when this, it was all going down. That just shows how confucious about this whole thing. Yeah. Like she doesn't, she doesn't really know. Uh, Veronica walks in at this point. She's like, where have you been? Been over here. Why aren't you in the room? I have been in this situation.

Have you ever been to like your, I don't know if your family drags you to funerals, but My family has. Dr. Dragged me to funeral. I, I think I've [00:08:00] literally, I've literally only been to. Oh, you know what? It is funny 'cause it's funny. I've been to two funerals technically in my life. Uh, and they were for my grandparents.

Um, but, and then I'm thinking about it, I have been to many other funerals, but only because, you know, I would summer in, uh, Virginia with my grandparents. Oh, I was like in Rhode Island. Yeah. I really made it sound like we saw it in the Hamptons. No, I, uh, I, I spent summers in, in Virginia with my grandparents when they were alive, obviously.

Yeah. They were disease, but, uh, but they were, they were, uh, part of the church and they would go sing on the choir when they had funerals. So technically I've been to a, a, a bit of many funerals, but not for people I knew. And I think I was just too young to really even understand what was going on. Um, so I was just kind of like sitting in the back as my, as my grandparents were like singing at, for a funeral.

Or actually, I, I probably went with them to like some of their friends' funerals at the time. I, I actually, I think I've been to like a thousand funerals. Like I'm, I'm now opening the [00:09:00] drawers of my mind. Um. But no. Yeah. And so I've never, I've never really been like, you know, dragged to a funeral. Like I've never been to a funeral with someone.

I didn't know that. I was just like attending. I was just like, no. So I didn't have, I didn't have a Owen Alicia moment and be like, why am I here? What am I doing? Yeah. Uh, it's always awkward for me. 'cause my parents would be like, so and so's so and so died. We have to go to the wake, or we have to go do the thing, or we have to, you know?

So, but then it's like, okay, I pay my respects to this person that I didn't really know, but I'm being respectful. I go do the thing. And then I look around and it's like, now what? Like, yeah. Now what do I do? Where do I go? And just like, Alicia's mom here, my mom has probably told everyone what I do and volunteered me for some sort of babysitting service, some sort of something I, I, I assume that you would be in charge of like, uh, I don't know, helping elderly people, uh, start their TVs or like, uh, yep, that too.

Yep. Yeah. Pair of Bluetooth systems. Oh, did you see internet? Marissa's here? [00:10:00] Yeah. Um, lots of that. But Marissa mea, uh, Alda can't get on her wifi. Can you figure that out right now? Can you do it right now? Yeah. Can you do it right now? Uh, so this is the, what has happened here to Alicia at this funeral? Um, Veronica's like, yeah, no, I don't know him.

I know the wife, Charlene. She's over there and she has a great haircut. Let's go meet her. Yeah, they go and meet Charlene. And I did not pick this up on first watch Jason, but Charlene is definitely someone we know. Uh, Charlene. I I thought you would probably know her more than I know. I would. Uh, funny you mentioned First watch 'cause she is, uh, I guess a big part of third watch or, uh, you know, a little part of third watch.

Yes. Also on Stranger Things. I, I also didn't watch Stranger Things. Please don't kill me. Um, I, I've never seen up Stranger Things. You have to just watch out for the dagor. Uh, yeah. Uh, who, who was she in? Oh, she's someone important in Stranger Things Like, yeah, she was, um, [00:11:00] will and Nancy's mom, and then in the last season she had a very pivotal role.

She did the laundry. If tho if you know, you know, she did the laundry and also had a bottle of wine. Yes. So that is Kara, Kara Bno Boone. Yeah. Uh, some that I've, I've like, you know, seen here and there on different things, but, uh, not, you know, the things she's most famous for. I haven't even watched. She also had a very pivotal, um, the other woman role in Mad Men.

Uh, it definitely, it was a big storyline. So, yes. But here she's playing Charlene with a fabulous haircut, and of course she's introduced to Alicia saying, thanks so much for doing this. It's so, it's so nice. It's just like, Uhhuh, what, what am I doing? What, uh, what is happening? And it turns out that Veronica has volunteered Alicia to help with a.

Blowtorch like the company's name is blowtorch. This case of the workers who have been fired or are being not, they haven't been fired, but they have [00:12:00] been forced to sign a contract. Um, and they've been overworking. And the reason why they're at this funeral in general is that Frank, the guy who died, fell asleep at the wheel and died because he was overworking at this company, blowtorch.

And so now they have this new contract that says, Hey, um, you can't sue us based on like, no matter what happens, you can't sue us. And so they're asking Alicia for help. I hate being voluntold by my parents about anything. So I related very well, especially, especially in this way when it's Veronica gave Alicia no heads up whatsoever.

Yeah, just, just walk. I, I'm sure if Veronica like explained this than Alicia would've been like more prepared and ready to like give some advice to the very least. But the fact that she's just like running in blind and you get the, you get the feeling this has happened a lot to Alicia and Alicia's just like, okay, I'm being like offered up as some sacrifice to something.

Sure. Cool, cool, cool. And you know, it's one of those things where you didn't know you were gonna get so involved when this first thing came up. 'cause Alicia starts out to be like, oh [00:13:00] yeah, I can give you like some advice. I can, I can, I can like pull up some contracts to Yeah, you could look at it and see, steer you in the right direction.

And then she really gets in the weeds in this thing. You know, at some point I do like Owen's very little brother comment where he's like, nobody ever needs math, urgent math assistance. Yeah. So get Alicia from being a lawyer. Over in the campaign. Peter is meeting with, I completely blank on his name, but he's Jeremy from, um, from succession AKA, the number one boy.

He's pollster. Matt. Matt, yes. Yeah, Matt. Uh, and you know, Peter's feeling good. He thinks he's two points ahead. He is riding the wave. Me's rolling her eyes. So behind my head, like I have to, like, literally they've gone around a couple of times, uh, and Peter is like, yeah, I'm so glad you're here because I just, I don't wanna be overly.

Optimistic. And Matt's like, great, because you're being overly [00:14:00] optimistic. You're actually down by two points. It's like, what? What do you mean I love this? Because Peter is like, yeah, I just wanna make sure, uh, I'm good with all the confidence of someone that knows he's good. Like, yeah, I just want to, I just want to make sure that, you know, I'm not being crazy.

Right? But I'm not being crazy. Right, right. Matt, I'm still good, Matt. Right, right, right, right, right. And Matt's like, nah, you're not good. And you see like the panic on Peter. He's like, what do you mean I'm not good? Like what? He's like, call Eli, get Eli on the boat, do all this stuff. And Matt's like, okay, it's okay.

We can still come back from this, but you have to attack Criti. And Peter and his astute political mind is like, I can't do that because I will lose all credibility because I am a horrible human. And he and Matt's like, yeah, Uhhuh, you're correct, but you know, who can, Alicia can attack Kristi. And Peter's like, no, no.

I will not ask Alicia to do this. I will not. And um, he [00:15:00] gets a phone call. He thinks it's Eli, but it's actually Alicia. And he turns into like, I don't know who he is. I don't know what to call this annoying Peter and says, do you wanna have dinner with me on my campaign bus in the city? Well, that, that bus, they, they, they love that bus.

I think even after Peter's done running, they're gonna keep that bus. 'cause this is a very important setting for them. This is, this is where they do all their banging. This is where they do all their dating. They love that bus. So much action in that bus. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, back at the office, Alicia is very busy.

She is picking, still picking out her decor for her office and all, and, uh, Nancy Crozier. It's almost like we called it. Yay. Which we didn't even know. Nancy Crozier stops by and we find out that she is representing Blue Torch, and I just, after learning who Nancy Rozier's mom is in real life, anytime she references her mom, I have to laugh.

So she says to Alicia, oh, I love that rug. My mom has one just like [00:16:00] it. Oops. And so I'm like, oh, Meryl Streep has that rug. What? Yeah. I, uh, we, we mentioned like, oh my gosh, yeah, we have almost all of our recurring players here. And then we're like, oh, where's Nancy Crozier? Nancy Crosier shows up. He's like, oh, great, great.

Only only players are missing Patty NIH Home. And we'll see. We'll see. We'll see. We got one of us episode left after this. Petty Nhm can't show up in the last episode of the season. Can't she? Can she? I mean, I don't know. She's kind of magical. She's kind of magical. Uh, the partners are worried about this blowtorch case situation because Blowtorch has already sent ECS and desist order to the firm, and that is because the firm represents Humum.

And so they're like, this is a little bit close to home for us. And Alicia's like, don't worry. Like this is a favorite for my mom. I'll take care of it. This is fine. And then we get this really awkward moment between David Lee and Alicia, where David's like, oh, your mom. Veronica, Veronica. Say hi to [00:17:00] Veronica for me.

Oh, okay. David, just don't get, stop getting horny. All right. Relax over there. And Will is like, Alicia, they think you are the lawyer. She's like, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. I got it. I got it. I got it. It'll be quick. I, I'm gonna take care of it. You know how I'm gonna take care of it. I'm gonna run over to Carrie's office and I'm gonna see.

How he can help Carrie's like a specialist, a specialist in contract law. 'cause she's like, I need someone that knows what they're doing. And that's scary. Well, and I also think, like Carrie is definitely, you know, for the people, so he's like, well yeah, this contract sucks. There's no maternity leave. It's just no over time.

Um, after 60 plus hours and no bonuses, and they're in this room talking all about this and we meet this assistant who we've never met before, but her name is Lorna. I'm like, what? Excuse me. Um, first of all, who the, who the hell is Lorna? Who are you? Never met you before. Don't care about you. Uh, you know what, we [00:18:00] did have an assistant that I cared a lot about.

Yeah. That, that would've been perfect in this, uh, storyline situation. Yeah. In this situation. Her name was Courtney. Okay. Where is Courtney? Okay, that's who I wanna see. I don't wanna see Lorna. I don't wanna see Margie. I wanna see Courtney. What, what's happening? Well, last we saw Courtney like it, it had to have been at least a, a season's worth of time here.

Oh, for sure. For sure. She seen Courtney for sure. We didn't hear She got fired. We didn't hear anything else. I want Monik Martin Green. I want mcc. Courtney, I don't know what to tell you. Uh, Courtney may have gotten a better gig at this point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. She's probably already Sasha on the walking dead at this point, probably.

Uh, but she's gonna come back for an episode. Right. For this to really, to really leave a mark on her time for the good life. Okay. Well it's up to Lorna now because she's asked to make copies of these, [00:19:00] uh. Documents in triplicate, which, oh my gosh, that's a throwback. That's a word I haven't heard in a long time.

But anyhow. Uh, and she takes this information to the other assistants. None of whom we've ever met? No. None of whom, except for some of whom who have won Academy Awards. Yeah. Outta nowhere. Uh, Margie, AKA, apparently David's assistant is played by Devo Dev, divine Joy Randolph, uh, who Yes. Won an Oscar for her time on the Holdovers.

Uh, I've never, I've never seen that movie. I heard it was a Ohs, a good one. Yeah. She's also in, uh, that other one, only murders in the building. That's the one and the Idol, which apparently was a very bad, bad show, uh, starring the weekend, uh, that I never watched. Oh. Yeah, I forgot about that. What? Yeah. Yeah.

We, uh, we'll, we'll forget about, we forgot her time there, but yeah, so she's like, oh, uh, hey, other assistants that no one's ever met that we [00:20:00] have no real investment in, if only someone was here. What? We had some investment in Courtney, but apparently Marsha. Marsha, that's her name. Margie. Margie. Margie, yeah.

Margie, uh, has been with David for 11 years. We find out later these episodes we've never seen you before. Weird. It's as if you were only cast for this one episode and we'll never see you again. Yeah, almost. Almost. Yeah. So Learner comes in there and she's like, Hey, do you get paid overtime for 60 plus hour weeks?

And they're like, no. And they're just like, well, I was just in a meeting with Alicia and Carrie where they were arguing that that is like standard, like that is what should just happen. And so she's stirring up some, some support for some workers' rights within, within the ranks of the assistance.

Meanwhile, Alicia and Carrie go meet with Nancy, and Charlene is there for some reason. We don't really know why, but she just keeps popping up. They're like, Charlene, you do not need to be here. [00:21:00] Like, but I'm, well, I mean, she's just, she started this whole thing, Charlene and, uh, Eugene, who is like, uh, Eugene, Fran Kranz is the actor's name and I know him from, uh, dollhouse.

I was, I was a big, I was a big dollhouse watcher, uh, back in the day. Really short-lived show. Um, before, uh, people named Jos Whedon got canceled. Uh, it was one, one of his shows. Yeah, a really good show. Um, but yeah, Eugene's here, uh, Eugene and Charlene are kind of the, uh, ringleaders of this thing, I guess.

So, I guess, I guess she has a right to be here in a way. We didn't really need her, but she's like, I'm gonna show up here anyway 'cause this is my thing. My husband was the one that died for it. Yes. And at the same time, I think from Alicia and Carrie's perspective is like, we're gonna be doing some, like, just let us do a thing talking.

We're, we talk about your dead husband, so I dunno if you wanna be here. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they are coming to the table with a bunch of contracts. Alicia and Carrie are contracts from construction workers, the plumbers, all of the stuff that basically, because if you have no [00:22:00] history of the labor and.

Movement in the United States. It all started with, it all started in the Haymarket in Chicago. Just Google it, you'll find out. But, um, those are the types of, of jobs that have really made the union movement work in America. So these are the strongest examples that they have to bring to the table. And Nancy, it's crucial.

Like, but Charlene, are you a plumber? Are you like, as a coder, are you a plumber? You're an artist. The work that you do is about magic and genius, blah. Every time, like as someone who worked, it's like any time there's been a talk of a union in any of the jobs that I have been in, it's always like, but what you do cannot be quantified.

Like, you are just so magic. And I'm like, oh, I'm so magic. Do you wanna pay me more? And then we'd all shut up about it. No. No. Okay. Well, I mean, Nancy is being Nancy, right? She's trying to, she's trying to use, uh, sympathy. She's trying to use like flowery language to be like, oh, you know, [00:23:00] you, your contribution can't be summed up in dollars and cents.

You know, you are, you're better than that. Really worrying about that. It's all about your craft, right? You're not worried about the money. Like, they're like, no, no, no. We're, we're worried about money. Like we, we do want money though. Like, we need money. Like we need money to survive and like the world. So yes, we're worried about money.

Just like, oh, okay, you're worried about money. Here are 20 letters of dismissal and everyone is fired. So if you're worried about money, good luck with that. I did like the line when she goes, Nancy crochet, you're amazing. You know that. And she goes, I do know that Eugene is so freaked out at this point.

He's like, I'll sign. And they have to really like talk him down to like, not. Do this well, well, Nancy's like, like, no, actually you can't sign anymore because I'm afraid your attitude is gonna affect our other artists. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So Alicia goes to have dinner on this bus, blah, blah, blah. They're having a hard day, blah, blah, blah.

Exactly. [00:24:00] Uh, they seem like a really gr, like a really great married couple. Right now. They're really just trading stories about their day. Peter seems even interested in what Alicia's going through. He even asks her about her day, like how it's going. It's not all about Peter. Such a nice portrait picture of a nice, happily married couple.

Wouldn't you say? Marissa? Mark. It's something. It's something Jace, it's something. And he, he's brought out the first date pizza. They're having pizza that they had on the first date. They're having wine, the wine they had on their first date. But Peter couldn't get glasses because they're on a bus. So they're just chugging it out of the bottle.

And he's also like, oh yeah. So I have wine and I have pizza. And I have a ring. Uh, I'm off in two weeks, no matter what happens. So let's go renew our vows in Hawaii. And Alicia's like, um, I don't know about that. Ed Peter. I hate, I hate, I hate when men do this, just in general, say yes. [00:25:00] Let the woman think, let her think for a moment.

I, I mean, listen, he tells her, he is like, Hey, hey, I love you. I know this. I know, you know, we're, we're in a better place now. And Alicia, right? Lisa, I was like, listen, things are okay now. But they right now, yeah, they might not stay that way. And as you said, he tries to kind of convince you. He's like, come on.

Just say, just say yes. And she's like, eh, we'll see. We'll see. We'll, we'll see what happens. So I'm like, yeah. I, I don't know. I, I don't know if they've done enough to Really, no, they, I think they probably have. I think, I think Peter thinks he's changed. Here's the thing. Yeah. I, I was, yeah, go ahead. I think both of them are riding their egos.

I think the closer they get to power, the more attractive they are to each other, because this is an election year, so he thinks he's a changed man because he's had to fake being someone. He is not in front of the public at all times. So he has [00:26:00] believed that that is the version of him that he is. And Alicia is, that is the version that Alicia fell in love with.

I I can guarantee that Peter played a con of some sort on Alicia when they were getting married to like steal him her away from Will or whatever again, in your prequel. Mm, whatever. I would like to, because I will give Peter that he is, he, he is. He does have a political mind. He, he does know how to strategize and he does know how to, how to think those things.

I just think in this moment he thinks he is that person that he's, he has portrayed himself to be to the state of Illinois. I care about women's rights, uh, uh, jail, bad. I'm a changed man because I went to jail. You know what I mean? Like all of those things that he's been repeating and repeating every day.

I think he's kind of believed, and Alicia has also believed along with him and used it as like, because she was using sex to get away from the feelings of Will. She's writing that like postal [00:27:00] high and things are getting mixed up. Things are getting confused. She's tricked herself into thinking she loves Peter.

Yes. Um, and I think Peter probably will get in the most trouble when he is in a position of power and he's like. Kind of static. Right? Well, he is not running for something. Correct. Well, he's just in his normal every day to day like life as either the governor or the state's attorney. He'll then start to get restless and be like, I'm kind of bored.

Lemme go f my life up. Yeah. And by doing some stupid ish, and I think that's what he's in the most trouble, and it's in these times when things are going good, when he's very busy with the campaign and he and Alicia are stepping up for each other when they have like these like roses in their eyes of like, oh my God, like this is so great.

Like, I love Alicia, she loves me. But then once you get into the every day of that, every day you're just like, oh, I really wish I could fight a prostitute to have sex with right now. Like that. That's what, that's what he gets in trouble. He's really like, they're really just building this high, this like dopamine high of like.[00:28:00]

We're winning, we're doing this, we're having sex. We're, oh my gosh, she remembered our first date, which is like bare minimum of things to do. And then, you know what I mean? Like all of these things. And at the same time, Alicia is actively trying to run away from what her body is trying to tell her. So she's like, let me just transfer these emotions to this picture of a man in front of me.

That is like, honestly, if it was, I don't know some other man, any other man, she probably would have the same feelings for that man at the same time. 'cause she's trying to run away from will so much. She's just like, hi, you're here. Okay. If she didn't have these complicated feelings about Will, I could buy that Alicia is ready to settle down with Peter, but it feels like, it feels like she is just running away.

Like, this will fix it. A renewal of my vows will fix this hankering I have for Will. It has to, it must. 'cause I don't know what I wanna do, if it doesn't. So she's really running toward that like, you know, feeling of [00:29:00] stability that could happen with Peter. The question is, you know, I she can't she trust Peter to keep that stability?

Yeah. Yeah. Can you, I don't know. Uh, Alicia and Carrie decide to have conversation with the Blue Torch employees who are like, they get fire us. I'm like, actually they can, you're an at will employee so you can be fired. Um, but, but

you cannot get fired if you were saying, if you say you were forming a union and they're like. Do you wanna sell? We are not teamsters. We, oh, we look down upon the Teamsters, which you really shouldn't. 'cause they pretty much built up a lot of things. Um, and Lorna is in this room going, what? Really? Oh, I can't get fired if I try to start a union.

What? What? Huh? Huh? Like a union? Yeah, a union. You say, huh? Like, we, we can organize and collectively [00:30:00] bargain to get stuff. What? Just like, the last episode was like a very special, you know, episode for rape victims and what they go through. I think this is definitely like a let's learn about your rights at your law.

Rights at work. Because Good wife. The good wife. Lower decks. Yes, exactly. They're like, listen, you can't get fired if you say you're gonna form a union. Um, so they're gonna use this as a delay tactic and see if they can get leverage. Look into osha, see if there were any complaints filed against blowtorch during this time.

This is basically just advice. Right At this point they're like, Hey, just look into it. See, see how it goes. Uh, but this then spills into the ranks of the assistants and they're like, oh my gosh, we could form a union. What, what? And we're introduced to you. Are we introduced to you or have we seen him before On The Good Wife?

Because I have seen, he has been seen Rod, we've seen before. It's, it's my guy, John, John Michael [00:31:00] Higgins, uh, I think that's his name. Michael John Higgins. One, one of those, uh, orders of, of the names, um, two, two first names are confusing. Um, but he's, yeah, he's here. We've met him before. He, I think he was, he was a different kind of mediator in like season three.

I forgot where, I forgot exactly which episode it was, but we've seen him before for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And he is the judge at the National Labor Review Board. Now he's, he's been promoted, which he references a couple times in here of like, finally, finally, we get it. So, um. Carrie's like we have 18 affidavits saying that we were trying to form a union and we're asking time to like slow things down just so that we can prove that we were gonna form this union.

And Nancy's like every day that goes by blow torches, losing money and getting closer to bankruptcy. Um, rod, I think we have seen him before. 'cause he is a, like, he's a compromise guy, right? Like he is, he's always gonna wanna [00:32:00] compromise. So he is like, okay, well let's get started. Like, if, if you're gonna lose, we can have both.

We can have a hearing, we can have this hearing, but we can also, you know, go to the urgency that blowtorch needs and let's get questioning with your first witness. Yeah. And you know, Nancy does her Nancy thing. She's like, oh, excuse me. Uh, judge, I, I'm not used to being here, so I don't know exactly the rules.

And she like, she's like, she calls Alicia. I'm like, oh, I, I thought this would be more polite. She's being very mean to me. She's being very forceful with her words, judge. And, and Rod, of course, Rod's one of the ones that's gonna fall for it. He is like, oh, I'm so, I'm so sorry. Like, could you guys be nicer to Nancy Lee?

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, much. So, Nancy's doing her thing, and like you said, it's just like, you know, Alicia and Carrie are like, Hey, like, you know, we, we, they're trying to unionize. Like we can't, we, we, they wanna file an injunction kind of ensuring that Blowtorch can't fire them. And Nancy's like, well, I mean, listen, uh, blowtorch is not doing great right now.

Blowtorch is, uh, going through some stuff and we need other people, so [00:33:00] we gotta figure this thing figured out. And Rod, I think, who's kind of right, he's like, well, I mean. Yeah. Like, why not? Let's get this thing going. Like, you guys wanna unionize? Let's do it. Like, don't just talk about it. Be about it. And so this kind of forces Carrie Le Alicia's hand to be like, uh, okay, what now?

And we only have fricking Charlene and Eugene here, the eams. And so the Eames are gonna have to like, get up there and start, uh, tap dancing for their lives. But Eugene is so freaked out about this. He's, he's so, he's such a good, he's like, I can't, I can't lie. What do I do? They're like, like, we're not gonna make you lie.

We're just gonna have you tell the helpful truth, which is such a fantastic phrase. Yeah. I'm gonna start using that. I, I really gonna start using, honestly, like anytime you're question, we have talked about like what, what to do when you're questioned by someone in the law. Like, answer the question that you're being asked.

Don't give any other information. Like, do you know what time it is, Jason? Uh, I know what time it's not. [00:34:00] Uh. Or like yes or no, you know, like you don't say like, it's 1245, like you say, or I'm aware or aware there, there are devices in my vicinity that would be able to tell me what time it is. Yes. See, yes. I I have the ability to tell the time.

That is true. I I do know that. Um, I, I, I'm, I'm surprised my daughter has, has it hit me with that before? 'cause she, she does that type of stuff all the time. I'm just telling the helpful truth. Oh yeah. I I think it's also, uh, a AKA, my truth. I'm telling my truth, you know? Oh, that's a big one for sure. Yeah, for sure.

The Department of Labor stops by the firm, um, because they were looking into complaints and blowtorch. And this was funny because the Department of Labor is like, oh yeah, there's nothing blo against blowtorch. Just one that was withdrawn. But what about here? Is there anything going on here that I should know about?

And Robin, because it's Robin and Belinda in this situation, Robin pipes up and she's like, no, everything's great. Great pay, great benefits. [00:35:00] And Belinda's like, what? What benefits. Benefits. You say That's interesting. The what? And as the guy from the Department of Labor is exiting the building by the elevators, the assistants are like, Hey, department of Labor.

You say, can, can we have a little chat? Yeah. I was, I at the time this was going on, I thought this was going to be the spark of something a lot bigger. Like, you know what good wife loves to do near the end of seasons is like pre-start stuff for the season before. Yes. I was like, are we about to get like some some big labor dispute?

Like for Lockhart Gardner, we're not gonna have any assistance. We're not gonna have any help. But I mean, it seems like by the end of the episode it's all kind of just squashed. So maybe, maybe not for now. For now. We'll see for now, like is like how cardiac gets shut down by the Department of Labor. Oh my god.

Oh, Eugene. Is on the stand and he's freaking out. Um, but he is telling the helpful truth by saying [00:36:00] things like the contract felt like retribution, which is never a good sign if you're in a labor dispute. And there has, did you collectively voice your outrage to your boss? We're like, um, we got together collectively together.

We discussed the potential. Of forming a union and Alicia Alicia's really trying with Eugene, she's like, so you talked about union unionizing before you even talked to me. He's like, well, no, not really. He's like, but you talk, you talked about like what it would be like to potentially potential of the unionization and potentially right.

Potentially. Right. Potentially Eugene. Right. Eugene, when you talked to me at the funeral before the contract stuff, there was like some roundabout talk of getting together for something. Eugene, I believe the word union was mentioned at some point. Yeah. Eugene. [00:37:00] Right? Right. Eugene's like, yes, there was potentially the potential of potentially talking about a union and to which Nancy Kersch was like, that's so cute.

Uh, Charlene, I'm gonna call you to the stand. And that's a little bit of a blow to our side. 'cause they're like, wait, Charlene. Why are you going over there and like, how dare you sit behind us when you go you, when you about to turn coat on us. Like that's always how it goes, right? Because we've seen this a few different times.

Like we call on the person that was a part of our people's team, but now they're on our team and it's like, how dare you? Like they look behind them like, you're still sitting behind us even though you're gonna switch sides up on us. You turn coat. Yeah. Yes. Uh, back in the campaign office. This is how I know Peter is not a changed man.

This scene proved it to me. Oh, come on. 'cause lemme tell you, mark, mark. No, no, no. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna tell you why, because Peter brings Owen in to look over Matt's polling because he's the statistics guy, [00:38:00] right? Like he's the guy who can read Math Uhhuh, and then he's like, you know. We have never been really close and Owen's like Uhhuh, what about it?

Like I just, you know, did kind of ask Alicia to like renew our vows, you know, it's like that's the thing that I did. And Owen's like, Peter, this is not a campaign. This is life. Like you only brought me here to ask me to put in a good word, word for Alicia and Peter's like, Uhhuh. Yes. Yeah. That is exactly what I did.

And no one's like, okay, peace out. This is how I know the man is just running a campaign for Alicia. He is just trying to win win. Alicia. Marissa. You mean you, you mean to tell me you've never like tried to, uh, convince someone of something by, by going through someone else? Like, Hey, can you like try? He's just trying to get her a good word.

Put in. Okay. Uh, [00:39:00] there's nothing wrong with that. He's trying to use all the resources available to him. For what though? Jason? For what? To get. What? To get to. Chemy needs to win. To win mean? Yes. Yes. But it's not just about getting Alicia to badmouth Kristi. I think Peter Really? No, she what was for Alicia not to back off Kristi.

Like, that's not the play he was making. He was making the play for Alicia. Listen, it's a fun, fun fact. We are, we are, uh, recording this on Valentine's Day. Okay. Uh. Hey, Peter knows Alicia's the love of his life. You're telling me no, you, you wouldn't do anything to get the love of your life. Even talk to, I would not manipulate the love of my life.

It's in trying to be my, the love of my life, Marissa. It's that manipulation. It's just helping someone see the truth that was already fair and using people close to that person watch too much to help them see the light. [00:40:00] You watch Too much love is blind. Too much married at first sight too much. You are, you have been tainted by the reality television lost in winning the game.

Peter is just trying to enlist some help in getting Alicia to see the light. There's nothing wrong with that. There's so much wrong with that. There's also so much wrong with Charlene going on the stand and saying that Alicia said the only way out of this was to form a, a union. She straight up snitched on Alicia.

Yeah. And Alicia's like, I would like to remind you that you're basically waiving privilege for the other people because we, you know, had this conversation, Rod's like, Hmm, how to split that this baby, what do we do? And carrie's like, uh, you don't have to like, you just, you don't, you just make a decision.

And [00:41:00] so they leave this as like. Is inclusiveness. Like, is this, is there an answer here? Like, I don't know. How did you I I think, I think Rod pretty much decides, well, I'll just let Charlene speak for the whole, like class basically. I'll just, I'll just let them, uh, I'll let her just reveal this information, use that as gospel.

Like, and you know, Charlene confirms we didn't, we had no real intention of unionizing before the whole talk with Alicia. Like, she, she probably just blows up, uh, the whole union stuff. The whole thing. Yeah. Yeah. The whole thing. Bega, the firm Will, and Diane and David confront Alicia about the assistance.

'cause they're like, listen, no one was talking about a union before you started talking about a union basically. And what is David's number one play firing. We're just gonna fire him. Everyone just fire him. Fire him. Like, that's his, that's his answer for every, every road, every road bump. They were like, we'll just fire the person involved.

That's fine. Like, he had the same, he had the same thing for the fourth years and they were trying to get together. He is like, just fire him. It's fine. Don't worry about it. [00:42:00] And he doesn't wanna, like, he doesn't wanna hear any of the demands. Like, 'cause Alicia is trying to come at this like at least a little bit sensibly.

Like, let's just like, you know, listen to some of their demands, give him some concessions, it'll be fine. Well and she's also being reminded because she's being met with that when she says that the firm is like, we don't have the money to like fulfill those demands. That's like, wow. And she's like, oh, well we could if we didn't take bonuses.

Like she's trying to remember like who she was when she had those conversations with Carrie, because all of those walks, last episode talking, you know, everything that carrie's up to. So she's trying to find if there's room for that here. And it seems like there is not, like if I'm Alicia, I'm just like, Carrie's echoing my mind.

Like Howard gets $4 million a year. Yes. For doing nothing while Diane and Will are telling me we don't have the money. It's like, okay. I know for a fact. We have the money. 'cause I know for a fact that just a few episodes [00:43:00] ago we were celebrating about the fact that we're in the black, we're so profitable, we, we, we can deny all the three times the amount of profit that we thought we were gonna have.

So don't tell me we don't have the money. And also, um, I don't know if I really need $10,000 to furnish my office. You know what I mean? Right. Yeah, exactly. I will, I will get some carpeting from a Bob's discount furniture down the street. Uh, like I get a rug or something like, I don't need, I don't need 10,000 bucks Decker of my office.

You can give that to somebody else. And management comes back with, and this is always the line, like in any situation, it's not this particular moment, Alicia. Hmm. It's the precedent. Like if we, if we listen and then take action, anyone could run us over. It's kind of like if we take action on all of the people named in a specific group of files, everything could just tumble down.

All is gonna, [00:44:00] we can have that. We can't do that. That would be so bad. Yeah. Where the people are saying, screw that. Let's just, you know, take it as it comes and, you know, take care of it as it is here. Do the right thing morally. Yes. Yeah. We can't do the right thing morally. 'cause it will just, it'll just upend everything that's built, that's built on immoral actions.

You don't want that, do you? Like, you don't want a society run by morals and ethics. That would be crazy. Even though we are a law firm that is governed by morals and ethics. What, what so hard. You mean we're founded on morals and ethics? Say what? No, get outta here. Carrie, Robin and Kalinda are having a conversation about the findings from the Department of Labor.

Um, and Robin leaves saying, okay, I'm gonna look into Charlene to see if she's gonna, if she's being paid off. 'cause this turncoat ness is [00:45:00] a bit suspicious. Well, yeah. I mean, and they, and they find out that the, the complaint came from Charlene. That's right. She was, she withdrew it like Yes. After, you know, after, right after she put it in.

She for some reason withdrew the complaint. So we gotta figure out what that's about. Right. And Kalinda uses this information. To say to Carrie, uh, did you know that like, Robin gets healthcare? Did you know about that? I was like, no, I didn't know about that. Then. Then she goes, do you wanna know if Charlene is getting paid off?

I was like, yeah, of course I do. It's like, well, ask Robin. She gets healthcare. Yeah. Yeah. Like Belinda is, I love how annoyed Clinda is by this. She's like, oh, like, because, because Kalinda is something that's always keeping score. Like we know that. Yeah. And Kalinda as, as we'll see later, like, is using this information like, okay, uh, how much more am I getting paid than Robin?

Because that's what's important here, because I am, I deserve to pay more. Robin. Well, thankfully so, because there are so many cases that come in. [00:46:00] Because Kalinda came in, in a clutch because she was able to deliver information at the, at the end of the day. And so she's, she, it's not like she has an unfounded Right, yeah.

Value position here. She, she definitely deserves it. So she, anytime she can, she has, which I, which I really appreciate about the show, is like Kalinda really does show opportunities where you can take time to have those conversations. Um, and Carrie knows this about Kalinda, right? Like she knows, 'cause they've had these conversations before and so maybe in bed, maybe some pillow.

They'll talk, who knows? Who knows? We don't know. Who knows anymore. Yeah. Carrie tells Kalinda like, look, if you come to the new to my firm and you'll come exclusively, I might be able to get you healthcare. I might be able to get you more money. Mm-hmm. Like, and, and this, I'm just gonna take like three months for me to get my duck pro.

This, this is really the first time he's really coming out and saying like, to Kalinda, like confirming to her like, listen. I am officially like [00:47:00] leaving. I'm going to start my own thing and I want you to come with me, obviously no surprise to Kalinda that he's leaving. She probably already knew this to begin with.

Well, I think she and he kind of told her last episode. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So she's like, okay, well listen, uh, you know, clinda is all about the bottom line. She's all, she, when when it, when it comes to money, she's very business. Doesn't Yeah, she's very business. She doesn't have a lot of like, loyalties over money.

Right. It's, it's kind of all about the bottom line for her, which is fine. That's kind of like, that's kind of the, the clinda vibe. Like, I don't care. You make, gimme more money then that's the, that's the thing. And so she's using this to be like, Hey, like, I don't care who I go to. Go out. You get more money.

I'm yours. Let's go, let's do this thing. She has no, she has a sense of loyalty to herself. Yes. Not to anything else. That's not a path which is very empowering. Which empowering to see. So yeah, at this point she, okay, so carrie's like it's gonna take three months to get my ducks in a row. She [00:48:00] goes, well, when your ducks are in a row, call me.

But in the meantime, someone recently withdrew that complaint, so I would start looking there. And then that's where we find out that Charlene is the one who made the complaint. We're back in front of the review board and Nancy is playing the most Nancy Crosier of the card's. Like, are you really going to get in the way of this woman's grieving process?

She did this 'cause she was so, you know, so distraught over her husband's death. Um, and at the end of this, because this information has been revealed, Ron decides to give 24 hours to get a union vote. To, to happen here and rightfully so in his, in his judgment. Um, because Carrie and Alicia are like, oh my gosh, we need more time.

We need more time. Like, listen, if they were really organizing, this should be easy for you. Like, they should be ready to vote today. They should be able to vote in front of me. Like, that's, is [00:49:00] should be easy peasy. But it's not so easy peasy. No, not, we do see some resistance methods from some of the assistants because Jenny Will's assistant is not using spell check.

And he's like, what do you mean? Why can't you just use spell check? I was like, will. Ew. He is like, he's like, Jenny, what's up with this? We do a spell check. Like, whoa. That was very forceful. I was like, I don't think this is the time you wanna be, uh, talking, talking back to the assistants like jerks. Yeah.

And, but he doesn't continue that conversation because he sees that Kalinda is in his office. There's like, okay, in his chair behind his desk. Yes. I just like, he's like, we're not having this conversation again. We are not talking about money. And Glenn just like, yeah, we're not, we're talking about healthcare because Robbie gets healthcare and then this line, this line, this line.

Anytime you hear this line by now, if you do not know, you should run for the hills. But if a company says [00:50:00] What happened to being a family? What happened to doing things for all other people? What I thought he was talking about his loyalty. I thought he was talking facetiously in that moment of like, I think he, he knows who he's talking to.

He knows that, that type of, oh, for sure not gonna fly. He's, he's being, he's being his douchey self. He's like, he's like, oh, hey, hey, hey. You know, all time talk about family and, uh, dedication. What about, what about that? Huh? Like, he's joking with clinically, he knows that does nothing for Clinda at all. Like he knows not to even bother with being serious about it.

He's just kind of joking with her. 'cause he knows who she is and like, you know, as I said earlier, like coda's, like listen, healthcare, like she has done the math. She's like, healthcare equals out to $30,000 a year. And so if you do the math, that means Robin is not making that much less than me and I need to be making much more than Robin because I am much more seasoned than Robin.

I have been, had more time in the job than Robin, so I need to be making much more than Robin. I love how she like does the equations, her head of like, okay, like I need to be staying this much ahead of Robin, which is, is great because she knows her worth, she knows what she's [00:51:00] worth to the company. She knows what Robin's worth is to the company.

She, and she knows the Gulf of experience and like value that Kalinda brings and she's demanding that value, which is not a bad thing. Yeah. And Kalinda has also gone in here to tell Will like I'm being propositioned mm-hmm. By a another firm. Mm-hmm. And Will is kind of just like, you're never gonna be exclusive to any firm.

So I don't even know why we're having this conversation. Like, go talk to your imaginary firm and see if they can like, best what I don't understand why Will, doesn't understand where the, who, the firm. Yeah. It's like, well, and especially because he was just in conversations, like he was able to identify that the fourth years were disgruntled and we're gonna have labor disputes.

Like, yeah, we just talked about this two episodes ago. Where, where I don't understand, like, he's like, he's like, oh yeah, you're a imaginary new firm. He's like, you are. We just paid a, you were just called to attention that Carrie is doing something. Why don't you know about this? Why could you figure this out?

But I, I think he just thinks this is more of [00:52:00] kalinda, like, you know. Playing, playing them against other people that may or may not be real. So like, it feels like Katie Clinton to have this conversation once every three months where she's like, I need more money. He's like, all right, again, this conversation, go to your imaginary new firm.

And, uh, no, for real, this is real. This is actually, yeah, this for real this time. And he, and he does tell her like, listen, if, if you become exclusive with us, I'll get you more money. He says, but freedom costs you. Like, oh, okay, well, I mean, he's not wrong. Like that is an important part of Collin's character as well.

So the vote happens with the union upload torch. Uh, it is tied and at this point, the vote is gonna go to management. There are two management votes up. So they're like, okay, let's go try to swing those votes. Like, let's go talk to those people. Back at the firm, the assistants talked to Alicia at first.

Alicia's doing her best diplomatic self. Having these conversations and David Lee walks in being the most David Lee he could ever be. But um, we learn that the assistants at Lockhart [00:53:00] Gardner get paid less than any other firm in the city and they want more flexibility to go see their kids. So they're looking for a 7% bump, a three year investment in ownership of the, the firm.

And of course, David Lee hears any of this and he is like, we could just fire you. I'll fire my assistant, who's been my assistant for 11 years. Like, and we have seen like really bad treatment in up until this point of David Lee against Margie, because Margie was like just talking in the office and it's like, what are you doing?

Well, I was gonna get your lunch. Is this where lunch is? You know, like so bad. So, so bad. Yeah. They're like, we're gonna go on strike. Say you can barely get my lunch order. Right. What do you mean you're gonna go on strike? Yeah, so bad. Uh, also, I don't know why they threw this in here, but it's Zach's 18th birthday.

Yeah. I was like, what? Like, why do we care? I was like, okay, cool. It was kind of a weird, uh, segue into figuring this. I was like, uh, I, I guess, I guess they were like, stalker. [00:54:00] Channing and Owen were on, were on the call list. They were there. So we might as well do a family scene. Um, and Zach of course, gets teased because he can buy cigarettes and porn and all this stuff, and Alicia, like, Alicia's the situation.

But then Owen and Alicia sneak out into the kitchen, classic sibling conversation territory. Um, and Alicia tells, or Owen tells Alicia about his meeting with Peter and. He has been swung in this situation because he tells Alicia I might have been wrong about him. He is, he is being vulnerable. And I'm like, Owen, no Wellen.

I know you love that. Oh no. Meanwhile, Veronica wants to give Zach wine because who doesn't give kids why? Like such the old school parent way of, of parenting Veronica's like, I gave you wine at 16, Alicia. Alicia's like, yeah, I know. It's why I can't go a day without having [00:55:00] a glass of wine. Yeah, pretty much.

Pretty much. So Owen tells Veronica about this whole situation. Of course Alicia's like, can I just have my life? Like, can you please just leave me alone? Uh, and Veronica sees like. Right through this. Like Peter ties her down, um, she's like, I'm gonna talk to Peter. And Alicia goes, two months in two months we were back with the hookers.

I was like, yeah, yeah, exactly. She's like, I'm gonna talk to Peter. And Alicia goes, if you talk to the Peter, talk to the Peter. If you talk to Peter, you will never see the kids again. And Broca's like, okay, well then I won't talk to Peter, but I am gonna talk to someone. So back on the Blue Torch case, mysteriously the swing votes, uh, were fired.

Mm-hmm. They were just fired. So they go back to court, um, arguing that they were fired in the middle of this vote. Um, Nancy Crosier, of course, is arguing. They were fired for cause. So there's nothing that could be, they called in sick, but they [00:56:00] really weren't sick. I, I, this is, you wanna know why I hate ca capitalism and I hate mm-hmm.

Like, I just hate it. I hate it so much. Um, but that's why they were fired. Well, and, and it's the way they were fired is interesting. Yes. Because, uh, apparently, you know, the, these two people called out sick. And then for however, however they did this, they recorded the, the company recorded a, you know, a, a video call as I think now we probably just called them FaceTimes or Zooms or whatever, or Zooms or Teams or, yeah.

Slacks or whatever. So the company, because they make these calls on company laptops, the company has the right and the power to look in on the conversations and the company figured out these people were not actually sick. So they fired them for faking sick, which Nancy argues like, Hey, we didn't fire them 'cause they were trying to unionize.

We fired them 'cause they were lying about being sick. So we, we we're all good. Well, and we abided [00:57:00] by the terms of use policy by like using company PO company, um, equipment just fine them basically. Yeah. Like to do all this stuff. Um, this, this stuck with me so much that I am still petrified to combine anything from work and personal life on the same device.

Like I, it, it, I would advise against it at all costs, especially now because who knows what spyware they have going on there. But, um, yes, that is what happened. And then Rod, of course is like, well we compromised. In some way, shape, or form. I forget what he said. Do you remember what, well, I let you guys, I let you guys have a vote and that is the compromise.

So we're, I'm allowing them to keep, to have these people fired. We're just like, no, the compromise, you made that compromise a long time ago. Now you're making new compromise with the other side while just still [00:58:00] giving us just our vote. Like you gave us a vote a while ago. You need to give us some new stuff in this compromise.

'cause I'm not feeling, uh, very comp here 'cause they're not getting new stuff to compromise with. We still got just our little vote, usually only have our vote. Great. And yeah, so it's just like Rod's like, hey, like those people got fired. We're letting 'em get fired. So those two swing votes are off. Gone.

Yeah. So now we're, we're at it. We're at a dead. 29. 29. So we got, we gotta figure something out. So Alicia decides to go visit Charlene and Charlene is not happy to see her at her door. She closes the door on her. Alicia's like, just gimme a minute. Just gimme one minute. And, and Charlene's like, actually.

Give me a minute, and she goes, gets her phone and it's Nancy Crosier on the phone saying, Al's Charlene's lawyer. I must ask that you desist Charlene. That was dramatic for no reason. You didn't need to do all that. You could've just said, no. Close the door. I wasn gonna break the door down. Okay. You needed to, you need to sick Nancy on me.

Charlene jerk. Yeah. [00:59:00] Belinda then goes to Carrie and says, Hey, if I'm exclusive to your new firm, can you beat this number? And he's like, I'm not getting in a bidding war here, Belinda. Yes you are. It's like, uh, I know you don't want to, but that's just, that's just what it is. Uh, um, David is mad because one of his lunch reservations didn't work out, so he is like, okay, listen, this is personally affecting me and my lunch situation, so we need to h fire the ringleaders.

Being Margie and Lorna, we need to fire him. Split 'em up like this is it. Um, I don't know why there's, David is so mean to everyone, but he is, it's, it's just who David is, right? I I, I think they, I think the more David is shown, the more cruel he is. It's like they've really amped up the cruelness factor on David.

Before it was just kinda like Dave would've come in, [01:00:00] make some snarky barbs and, uh, you know, exit the scene. But, uh, more and more he is just like, he's just real. A real, real heel. A real dick. Yeah. Yeah. Shirley's back on the stand. And it turns out that anyone who owns 5% of the stock, once the stock goes below a certain number, becomes a board director or a more member of the board of directors.

So now she's on the board of directors and she can't vote because the price of of blowtorch during this entire dispute has gone down. Um, and so it's ruled that the election can go on without her, which is kind of a blow to the blowtorch management I think at this point. Yeah. 'cause Charlene was a vote counting for, uh, counting against unionizing.

So we were at 29. 29. So if you lose Charlene's vote Yeah. We have the majority to unionize. Yes. Then it is time for Alicia to meet with Peter Rose who? [01:01:00] Um, Charlie Rose. Oh yeah. Sorry. Could have been the same person because they both have similar. Values, um, meets with Charlie Rose in an interview and Alicia is on fire.

And this like, she is really, she's very politically astute. She is doing the best good wife that she can do in this situation, um, by spinning everything to Kristi's present issues of alcoholism. Like basically saying like, the reason why he can't, you know, do all of this because, or the reason why he's coming after Peter is because he doesn't want there to be light on his present issue of alcoholism.

And just remember behind every single politician there is a spouse doing everything else, there is someone who's picking all of that stuff up. Um, and this is like really where you can see her political mind shine. So kind of like I, again to that whole like, oh, we're an election. Let's be in love. I [01:02:00] think there's like game recognizing game in this situation because she's really, really doing well.

Very interesting that this whole episode, there was no Eli to like, I Oh yeah. Yeah. It was a really big Eli thing for him to be, to be on, like, to really kind of try and coach Alicia up, but she didn't, she ain't eating no coaches. She's like, I got this baby. I got this. She's like, she, she came on national television like, uh, Mike Tiva is a no good dirty ass alcoholic.

And I said that shit like, well, and then she said at the end, if there's any, there is not anyone more committed to women and children in the state of Illinois than my husband. Well, but that's what she said. That's what she said. So she really like hit a home run out of here. While this is all going on, will is watching from the office and Veronica stops by.

And first he's like, David Lee is always like, no, no, no, I'm not here to talk to David Lee. She's like, she's like, she's like, I already saw David Lee. She's like, so she [01:03:00] didn't, she didn't go see David. Like, I don't know what's going on with David and Veronica, but I would love if David turned out to be, uh, Alicia's Stepdaddy.

That'd be hilarious. But I thought David was working on something for Alicia's, like not Alicia is Veronica's divorce thing, death? I dunno. Of someone situation. Any who? It's all a social. Yes it did. And Will's there drinking and watching this interview. And she says the line about being the most committed person to women and children in the state of Illinois.

And Veronica says to Will hard to believe she can stay. Say that with a straight face, huh? And she says, do you love my daughter? 'cause there's a window and that window is closing. It's time to stop being polite about it. This, this is some like Game of Thrones, like little finger shit. Just like, she's like, Hey, but also like, I want you to know it was me.

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Tell Peter [01:04:00] it was me. Um, but yeah, this was, this is wild. I don't, I it almost felt a little too cute for the good wife, right? It was like this, this almost like a little too much for Veronica to be like in the shadows meeting with, with the will being like, the time is now.

William, you must take your shot while you can. Well he's just like, it's always great to see you, Veronica. Like, I, I'm surprised Will didn't stand up, was like, you know what? I am not gonna gonna throw away my shot. I mean, I do appreciate that Will has this knowledge. I don't know if there was a better way for him to get it other than Veronica seeing something.

I mean, it would've been cool if Owen said something, but I don't, I'm not sure anyone needed to tell Will this. I think, well, no, there's like a clock now. Like there's, there's an actual clock. Like 'cause of the, the v renewal situation. I just don't even know if Will was even thinking of a clock. Like I don't even, [01:05:00] I think Will had been kind of resigned.

That he lost at this point. Yes. Oh, for sure. Oh, for sure. As we've seen, you know, throughout the season, he's just like, okay, yeah, it's, it's over. We've had the conversation about it being over several times, but now here comes Veronica kind of like renewing some hope of like, hey, like I know you thought it was over well, but it wasn't actually over, but it's about to be over, like over, over.

It's nothing really over. So he gotta move now. That's also on top of his like failed dating with. Hellinger Hellinger, which was, uh, so, so weird that that was such a small space of time where it's like, and I, it just kind of feels like that was the last we'll ever see of Hellinger. I dunno why. Oh, for sure.

But it's just like, that was, it was such a odd way to end that, but whatever. That's, that's neither here nor there. But like for, for Veronica to be like, all right, bro, it's your time. Gotta move it like, Will's like, what? Like, you gotta see the confusion on Will's face. He's like, okay, cool. You know, he, he doesn't really, uh, confirm or deny anything to [01:06:00] Veronica.

He's just like, okay, good to see you. Bye. Well, and I don't know if, I don't know if I were Alicia, how I would react if Will was like my mom told me or told, you know what I mean? Your mom told me wouldn't. Yeah. Like he wouldn't play, he wouldn't play that play. I think he knows not to say anything about Veronica.

Yeah. I, I think this is just supposed to spur him to move to action. Yeah. And I am. I'm very curious to see what that action's going to be. 'cause it, it really makes you feel like there's going to be some sort of new declaration. Uh, do you think that's gonna happen this season? Like we only have one episode left?

One episode, but I feel like the, I feel like there might be an ending cliffhanger of like, another, another declaration. 'cause we had a declaration was at the end of the end of season one where he left the voicemails Yes. Um, that she never heard. Like, could this be a new form of that? Like, Hey, I know we've done this a thousand times before, but for reels this time, will there be an elevator?

Will there be an elevator? Like, there's gotta be, there's gotta be, right. [01:07:00] And so I, I'm really curious to see what that moment will, what, what action and will's it gonna take from this? Is he going to get ready to make the action and then. Like, see, no, it's really, really done this time. I can't keep fooling with this.

Or do you think it's gonna be like, I'm up to the plate, I'm ready to go. And then he gets news of what happens at the end of this episode, which we'll get to in like two seconds. Um, the union, again, they win because it's 29 to 28. Um, so they're, um, ready to start negotiations in terms of what the union contract will look like.

They're all super excited. They're all ready to go. And again, an crozier, the biggest Debbie Downer in the world, I think in terms of legal arguments, it's like, oh, you know, I'd love for that to happen, but Blowtorch doesn't exist anymore. Chum Home just bought them was like in real life. Like [01:08:00] Nancy, you couldn't have said this like an hour ago before.

No, because I think she wanted the price to go down as well. I, she, I think she, like Blowtorch wanted to get sold. And so, no, but just the fact like, okay, then why did we even bother with this vote, Nancy, why didn't you just tell us that to begin with? Yeah, that's kind of true. And so Alicia goes back to the firm and is like, did you drive the price of this down for chum hum?

Like, is that what was going on here? Because she's in this mind of everything that's going on with the assistants, like management, doing everything for management's sake. She's like, did you screw me over? Basically? Yeah. I, I thought she was a little too presumptuous there. I was like, there's no, there was no real evidence of that that we saw.

I was like, what? I felt, I was like, I don't, I was like, I, I think she's jumping to conclusions here, and I, what, what, how would, what was your feeling about this? Like, was she being a little too dramatic with this? Of like, what do you mean? Like, whatcha talking you like, like Will says like, you brought this to us.

Like what's this has nothing to [01:09:00] do with us. Yeah, but I think she has cause. Because of everything of the, of management's actions with the assistance with saying, and especially here, when they come to the resolution of the story where we learn that Lauren, MRG ca are made supervisors, so they're just basically placated.

They're made supervisors, they can tell commute. And Alicia has an objective or an objection to this. Like, she's like, so you just placated the situation. And the answer is, this is what management does. So I do think in this way she is learning, you know, she's a partner now. She is learning that, that the conversations and the decisions that happen at this level are not for the people, are not for the best interest.

It's a little bit different than what she experienced when she was an associate, because that was always, we want you to do well, we want you to grow, we want you to, you know, climb the ladder. We want you to be a partner here. And then once when you're a partner. It's like you don't, you lose [01:10:00] that. We want you to do well.

Like no one's cheering for you anymore. Like you have to cheer for yourself. And Alicia didn't see inside the machine when she was on the outside. Right, exactly. It's like you don't wanna see how the sausages are getting made. Yeah, exactly. So now she sees it, it tells her a lot of things. It tells her like, and she has this looming offer from Carrie to join his firm to, we can be the new Will and Diane, we can do things the right way.

Unlike Will and Diane are right now, we can do, we can save the world, is basically what he's saying. And with Alicia's seeing the ugly side of management, I'm sure she's saying to herself, if I do this with Carrie, we'll be different. Like, we, we will do this at That's what she's for sure. Oh, for sure, for sure.

But unfortunately, the wheel of capitalism spins on and they will be in the same situation. Yeah, exactly. And, and also she's, it's interesting the way that. Her emotions are flipped and pulled [01:11:00] by Will and what he does. Right. Because we saw Will with Rainey in the last episode mm-hmm. Where he's fighting for, for her rights.

He's fighting for, uh, for, for her to get outta jail. He's empathizing with her. Yeah. And this is, that's where Alicia really gets the, really gets the vapors of like, oh my God. Will's, the will's, the man will's knight shining armor. Well, she's literally shaking. Oh, she leaving him. Oh, his gall tree is just so hot.

Like, I really just want this man. He does all the right things. And now in this situation, she's seeing the other side of Will. She's like, oh, will is management will, is the man will, is willing to screw the subordinates over, you know, in the, with the, for the best interest of, you know, the, the bottom line of the firm.

And I'm sure, I'm sure if Alicia and Kalinda were allowed in the same room, she would be like, what do you mean Kalinda doesn't get healthcare? What do you mean? Right. It was so, it was so funny because in the [01:12:00] moment earlier in the episode where like Kalinda, uh, will and will Alicia and Diana talk about the whole blowtorch thing and Will sees Kalinda go into his office, he's like, all right, I gotta go talk to Kalinda.

It's like, that's probably like, there's probably like a, if, if, uh, Archie and Juliano were even in the same studio at the same time, it's just like, all right, she gets a 30 foot, like, uh, well, thing with, for me, I am really curious, like, honestly, if there was any, if, well, I'm sure there's NDAs, but like any production, like were they even on set on the same days?

I doubt it. I really doubt it. Like, how did this, how did this go out? But yeah, I would love to know that. Yeah. But yeah, and, but yeah, like going back to the, the, the story, it's like. She sees Will now doing what he's doing now, being like, oh, you're, you're management, you're, you're not working in the best interest of your employees, which leads us to, I'm sure your favorite scene.

Oh, yeah. So like, and the, she's like, okay, well my mind's made up. Let's go to the bus. So she goes to the bus [01:13:00] and Peter's like, oh my gosh, it's a dead heat. You did this like your interview with Charlie Rose. You did so great. And, and then Alicia says, you promised to never put me through this again. I, and he's like, yeah, I promise.

And then she goes, okay, fine. Not really, but in my mind I'm like, okay, fine. We will get remarried or whatever, and then they kiss and then it's like an ug. So I feel like yeah, you are like, yeah. The pickup on how she is basically swayed by Will's actions is really telling here, because I, I think if this proposal came from Peter last episode, it would've been a definite no.

It would've been like, no, what have you done for women and children? You know what I mean? Yeah. Have you helped rape victims in the last 24 [01:14:00] hours? Yeah, but I mean, she sees will like, oh, you're all about what's your best interest? You're all about you. I already got that at home. Like, I can, I can have that with Peter, so I might as well just go with the devil I already know that's attached to my children.

And, and if we look at it from, in terms of what her, her morals are and what her values are, in this case, will was definitely down a low. Right? Like he was like, not matched, but Peter, because he's running for governor. Talking good talking altruistically talking about helping the common person like that was enough to, to sway her over to his, his side of the things for her enough to say, let's renew our marriage vows.

And I'm very concerned that Will is gonna get up the courage to say something for real. She smack 'em down. He's gonna be like, by the way, I'm going to Hawaii. Bye. Yeah. Like I, I can see a moment where like, we're at the very end of the, of the episode whether, whether Peter has won the governor or not.

They're going to be like, maybe she's on the way [01:15:00] out to go to Hawaii and that's when Will decides to make his declaration. And she's just like, it's too late. Like, you just, you're too late. Do you think we'll get, I mean, like, I honestly cannot remember at all. I was like, do you think we get a airport running scene?

Uh, I don't know. I feel like that would would've been in my memory banks. Uh, but I don't, I don't think so. But we'll see. I'm, I'm very curious of what the ca finale's gonna bring. Um, I'm excited to, uh, to get into it with you next week. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And so it's, yeah. I, I, it is just the way that her, her emotions have swayed so much with Will, and it, it really does feel like it's, it's either Will or Peter.

It's not no one. It's Alicia. That's the thing. It's not Alicia. It's Will or Peter. It's not Alicia. I thought there was a moment, not herself. There was a moment in the past where she was like, I'm just choosing me. I forgot when that was, but she's like, yeah, it's just me. But it feels like now it's a very binary choice of it's either Will or it's either Peter and the actions of Will in this moment [01:16:00] are like, well, it's.

But like if she call, if he called her and said, I made a million dollar donation to Greenpeace, she would be like, oh my God. What? See you Peter, bye. Uh, it'd be, it would be will. So it, it is a very odd thing for, for her to sway so much on just the day-to-day actions of will. Um, but yeah, it, well, and I think, honestly, I think that Carrie plays into that triangle mix a little bit too.

Not in a romantic way, but just in a values way. Like she, she's like, okay, if Will's gonna be management, Carrie at least could be the valiant for the people person in my life. And then there's Peter, who, well, I mean the Carrie stuff plays who I. Carrie's stuff plays into her professional life for sure.

Right. Because she has a professional side and a personal side. Both of them are kind of, uh, swayed by the actions of Will in this, in these, these moments of like, yeah, this reminds me of what Carrie's been saying. Will and Will and Diane have lost the plot. They've lost the message. They've lost what they came in here for.[01:17:00]

I won't do that. I'll stay true to my values and true to my ethics. It's like, yeah, like everyone says that It's only a, only a select few that, that Oh yeah. Stay true to that. I'm sure. Uh, George to, oh, Georgetown will was definitely a Carrie, you know? Yeah, yeah, of course. And if, if, if Alicia does go with Carrie, it makes this new firm, I would be very curious to see how long it takes for her to start, like, realizing the struggle that Diane and will have to stay true to their values of like, oh, I didn't realize that.

You know, I was being so, uh, idealistic, right? We talked about last time we, you know, idealism versus reality. When that would hit Alicia as being the head honcho of her own firm, when she would have to start compromising some of these morals and ethics and values that she holds really, really dear to right now.

Yeah, it's almost like Jason, it's almost like the system is corrupt and no matter what you do, you're gonna have you run [01:18:00] into this. It's almost like that. I mean, I don't know. We'll see. We'll see Marissa. We'll see if this fictional TV show has a different outcome, Marissa, I could live in a society that does that, so I don't know what you're talking about.

I that, that, that would be outrageous. Um, yeah. So that is episode 21. One more episode left until we end season four. I really, man, time has really flown by. Right? In this podcast we're doing, we're almost to season five, uh, of this thing. And, uh, it just feels like we just started yesterday. Um. But Marissa, you wanna tell the good people where they can find you and what you're up to nowadays.

Sure, sure. Uh, good folks, you can find me at, it's me marissa g.com where you can have, find links to all the podcasts I'm on, including this one. If you're watching us on YouTube. Thank you so much. If you didn't even know we had a YouTube channel, you can find the link there. Um, and please stop by say hi, subscribe.

I think the bell thing is still a thing to make sure that, you know, you get [01:19:00] notified when we post things. Elsbeth is coming back in a couple weeks, so there will be more activity over there as well. Um, you can find me also on whirlwind Podcast Network talking about previous Little Liars or Pretty Little Liars one previously on at a time.

The podcast itself is called Previous Little Liars. Um, we are in season five. We are finally watching all of the episodes. So we are getting to do that there. And then over talking with my sister at um. Us sisterhood talking about Star Trek, the next generation, you guys, I just, I started substitute teaching and so my brain mm-hmm.

Is a little, a little discombobulated. So, I mean, I learned new words like glazing. Oh yeah. You know what glazing was? I, I don't know what glazing was. Wait, I, I have, I have a teenager still of it. I have a teenager. Teenager at home, so I know what glazing was. I have teenager here, so glazing, I know what that was.

Um, [01:20:00] uh, also ora farming is a thing that I'm still What? Yeah. Ora farming I is like, as like an energy vampire, like similar to glazing, I think. Um, but I'm still working on figuring what that is. Oh boy. Still no one knows what six, seven is. Um, oh, no. No. Oh my gosh. Ki the kids, while I was substitute teaching saw that the slide was number 67.

Oh boy. And they could not, they could not get over it. And then I was like, haha, 68. But anyway, that's what's going on with me. Jason, where can people find you? Uh, yeah, you can find me a lot of places at the moment I've gotten into it. It is a weird thing 'cause thing, opportunities for podcasting seem to just like come in bunches.

Like I'll go months without much of anything and then there'll just be a, like a two week span or everyone will be asking me to do everything. So I'm in a lot of different spaces right now. You can find me on, always find me on the Perfect Match Podcast. We are exclusively on Patreon right now talking about season 10 of Mary First Sight.

A messy, messy reality show where people get married at the altar, sight unseen. Uh, so that's always a [01:21:00] lot of fun. Season 10 is one of the best seasons of the show, so me and Asia Welch are doing our rewatch over on Patreon. Uh, you can also catch me on the, Rob has Podcast Network, talking about love is blind.

Those blind is back for season 10. A landmark season where nothing has really changed on the show. Um, but you, like you would think they're in Ohio. Jason. They're in Ohio, ski Ohio. You would think they did something. They would do something to like change something up. It's big landmark season 10, but no, not really.

It's more of the same, but it's still fun. Messy mess. So check me, Asia Welch and Mary Kowski out on the rap has podcast Network on the Love at First Sight Feed, as we talked about. Loves Blind, uh, season 10 episodes one through three as a podcast. We, we'll be back early next week to talk four through six.

Uh, so check that out. You can check me out on Recap Kickback, which is a, uh, show. My friend Chappelle does, me and him talked about, uh, Wonderman, a series on Disney plus really great series. I think even if you, it is a marvel. Uh, comics television series. But even if you are not into the [01:22:00] superhero of it all, it's not very superheroes.

So I think a lot of you will enjoy the wonderman of it all. So check that out. Me and him, uh, me and him along with Anthony with a, uh, another pocket I'm forgetting the name of right now. I apologize for that. We talked about, uh, the Wonderman eight episodes in two different batches, one through four, then the five through eight.

So check that out. And recap, kickback. You can check me out, uh, on the, uh, 90 Day Fiance podcast over Raja's podcast. Talked about the last few episodes of, uh, 90 Day Fiance before the 90 days over. There was also on the, uh, show crime scene. That's crime, SEEN. Talked about a true crime documentary, the investigation of Lucy Luby.

Check that out. Uh, I'm trying to think if there's anything I'm missing. I don't think so. Uh, but yeah, that's me. Uh, that's Marissa. Until next time, stay good.

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