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Speaker 1:So if you think that any of those are gonna offend you in any way, shape, or form, take your step back right now. Because buddy, this is not the place for you. Any whom, have fun listening to us, and, yeah, this has been your final warning.
Speaker 2:Welcome to another episode of Cinematic Anarchy brought to you by the generosity of the 2 folks that I'm gonna be sitting and talking with tonight. You know them. You love them. Matt, Rachel from
Speaker 3:Woo hoo.
Speaker 2:Strange and beautiful book club podcast.
Speaker 3:Still still us.
Speaker 2:I believe I just tripped off my tongue and called it a book cub. Well, that's fine.
Speaker 3:Hey. Maybe we'll change it. We're we're we're working on a rebrand. That could work.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Need to register a new domain name anyway.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Dot cub. Yep.
Speaker 2:No. Book book cubs. That's like, books for kids, little kids.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know? So, yeah, the book club and the book club. Anyway Mhmm. And we are gonna be talking about a film which I reached out and asked them to pick a film this time, and we are watching Somewhere in Time. I almost called it One Moment in Time Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which is a completely different thing. That's a song. I don't think there's a movie associated with that. No. I got a I got a lot of good and bad feelings about this film.
Speaker 3:Well, it's Christopher Reeve for one thing. It's like the one thing he's in that isn't Superman.
Speaker 2:Oh, no.
Speaker 3:There's no other stuff. But I guess even when he
Speaker 4:Nothing I've seen.
Speaker 3:Even he said, I'm only gonna be remembered for 2 things, Somewhere in Time and Superman. So Yep.
Speaker 2:I couldn't name another thing that he's in. Correct. So I would say that's fairly accurate. Mhmm.
Speaker 3:And he is in some tight pants in this movie. They are tight. Ite.
Speaker 4:Oh, yes. The the old suit that he gets?
Speaker 3:Yeah. He had to split he had to split the bait and tackle. That's all I have to say.
Speaker 2:The one where he went back into in time to 1912, and they still said, hey. That is 10 years older than I even remember. Like, hey. I haven't seen those around for decades.
Speaker 4:Out of date. Yeah.
Speaker 3:They're like, oh my god.
Speaker 4:So so 1800.
Speaker 2:It's like, oh, that was definitely 1885 around there.
Speaker 3:You know?
Speaker 2:Okay. Well so he didn't dress the part. He he he made a mistake.
Speaker 3:Yeah. He did his best.
Speaker 2:He made a couple of mistakes, but that well, we'll talk about that in a few moments. Matt and Rachel, would you like to give us a quick synopsis of the film that you chose for us today?
Speaker 3:Sure. It is called Summer in Time starring Christopher Reeve. My god. Why did I just blank on the actress's name?
Speaker 4:Jane Seymour.
Speaker 3:The only relevant person is Christopher Reeve. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4:Jane Seymour. Yes.
Speaker 3:Jane Seymour.
Speaker 2:Oh, did you just say the only relevant person was Christopher Reeve? Are we, like, nixing Christopher Plummer as well?
Speaker 3:It's fine. The other Christopher. It doesn't really matter.
Speaker 2:Christopher and Jane.
Speaker 3:So it's a playwright who falls in love with this idea of a woman from 1912, and he actually uses, thinking really hard to travel back in time to be with her. He gets, like, 3 days with her where they fall madly in love, and then he accidentally travels back to the future and dies of a broken heart. And that's the entire movie.
Speaker 4:And she pines for, what, 60 years Yeah. After he disappears.
Speaker 2:I have never seen Christopher Reeves so weak. I mean, this is Superman right here. The woman
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Pines for him until she is, like, 80, 90 years old. Yeah. He spends 3 days with her.
Speaker 4:Has always been his personal connections.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:That's So I guess this is his lowest lane in
Speaker 4:this. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah. But by this important. By this theory, you remove lowest lane, and he dies in 3 days.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, yeah.
Speaker 4:Or he becomes a bad guy.
Speaker 3:Hey. He turns back time for Lois Lane too.
Speaker 2:I I yeah. Bad guy. You're right. He did do the bad guy thing in,
Speaker 4:Injustice?
Speaker 2:Injustice. Right.
Speaker 3:Well, in the Christopher Reeves Superman movie when she gets crushed in the car.
Speaker 4:We're talking DC canon.
Speaker 3:He turns the Earth the other direction. He does. He does.
Speaker 4:So this isn't the only Christopher Reeve time travel for love story.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Exactly.
Speaker 2:That is true. That is true. Yep. I didn't even I didn't even think about that. I don't know if I I I guess you could call that time travel.
Speaker 2:That was more like a convoluted way to bring Lois back to life. What if I fly
Speaker 4:He literally travels back in time to be with the woman he loves.
Speaker 2:Yeah. If I can
Speaker 3:It's time travel.
Speaker 2:Reverse the rotation of the Earth?
Speaker 4:Oh, no. No. No. That's just what it looks like. He actually travels back in time.
Speaker 4:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay. Sort of like how Barry Allen can kind of vibrate himself back in time. He did it by flying as opposed to running.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 4:I think Superman can enter the speed force.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah. He's, had several races with Barry Allen, hasn't he?
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:Or, speedsters in general. So I think there was a a contention as to whether or not Superman or the Flash was actually the fastest man alive. And Flash beats him out by this much, just a little.
Speaker 4:But did you let him win? Mhmm.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Superman is a good guy.
Speaker 2:I think Superman might've let him win because Superman does hold back on his powers sometimes knowing how how strong he really can be.
Speaker 3:Yep. So,
Speaker 2:but we're not talking about Superman. We're talking about
Speaker 3:Somewhere in time.
Speaker 2:Somewhere in time.
Speaker 3:Yeah. The most, like, beloved part of this movie for me is where it's filmed because it's filmed on this really cool island in Michigan called Mackinac Island.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's not spelled how you think. It's m a c k I n a c, but it's Mackinac.
Speaker 4:Because the French gave it the name, and the French don't like to pronounce the last consonants in words. And so when they wanted it to end with a vowel sound, they have to stick a consonant at the end because you don't pronounce the last letter in most French words. That seems slightly a lot of people. Spelled it. In English, it was m a c k I n a w.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 4:And they're the same thing.
Speaker 3:They're the same thing. But it's in the little island. It's, like, 8 and a half miles around. There's no cars allowed on it even today. So the only thing you can get around the island is by horse or by by bike.
Speaker 2:Or I
Speaker 4:assume regulations on electric bikes. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I I assume you can get around on foot too.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, you can walk if you wanna.
Speaker 4:Like a plebe.
Speaker 3:Or you can bike or ride horses. But all of these shops, there's a scene where he run he runs down Main Street, and, like, half of these shops are still there. Like, there's a he he runs by the, haunted theater, and we went to the haunted theater when we were there. Matt was like, look. It's the haunted theater.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Back in the 19 seventies.
Speaker 3:That coin shop is still there. Mhmm. The fud shop is still there. Verdict shop.
Speaker 4:Was there in 1912, Mackinac. Yeah. Because it was founded in, like, 1800 something. Yeah.
Speaker 2:There are a lot of movies that were filmed in the local area here, and there's only one that I can, like, walk down the street and go, hey. That was filmed there. Except now it's like an Amazon distribution center.
Speaker 3:Oh, lame.
Speaker 4:Well, it's lame. Time we go to Toronto, we go to Selva.
Speaker 3:Where they film some of the forever night scenes.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Have you gotten to see, Denzel Washington's equalizer films? Yeah. Okay. The original film, all of the stuff that was filmed inside of the hardware store in the equalizer, it was actually filmed in an old dysfunctional Lowe's down the street from me, like, right around the corner.
Speaker 2:Like, the Lowe's went under, and it'd been, like, abandoned for the better part of, like, a half a decade maybe. And then they're like, hey. You know what we're gonna do? We're gonna go ahead and film a Denzel Washington film partially in there. And then a year later, Amazon bought it.
Speaker 3:Nice.
Speaker 4:Did you see Pippin?
Speaker 2:Mhmm. Pippin?
Speaker 3:Our cat is passed out on the back of this chair over here.
Speaker 2:Okay. I'm thinking, like, the stage play Pippin. I'm like No.
Speaker 3:No. No. Just a cat.
Speaker 2:I'm like, was Denzel Washington and Pippen or, like
Speaker 3:No. Just for free? Cat doing cute shit. Okay. But the island still looks exactly the same.
Speaker 3:I think that's why it's still so beloved. Because you could go there, and it looks like, I think I sent you a picture. They have plaques around the island that are like, here's the somewhere in time gazebo, and here's the tree where they first met. And, that hotel that they stay in, the grand hotel, is, like, on this bluff when you take the ferry over, and so it's, like, the first thing you see when you go to Mackinac.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:And it was built in 93 days.
Speaker 2:That's fast by today's standards.
Speaker 3:That whole thing was built in 93 days, and it has still has the longest covered porch in the world.
Speaker 2:Alright, construction crews. Why are you so slow now?
Speaker 3:Well, they hadn't they Why? They promised them a $1,000,000 budget if they did it in 90 days. No. A $1,000,000 bonus if they did it in 90 days. So on day, like, 90, when they were almost finished, they were gonna do it.
Speaker 3:They found out that only the foremen were gonna get the bonus. And they weren't gonna
Speaker 4:they weren't gonna share the bonus.
Speaker 3:So they tore down the whole back wall, and it took them 3 days to rebuild it.
Speaker 4:So their boss lost the bonus.
Speaker 2:Good.
Speaker 4:But the reason they had the building in 90 days was they had started construction on it, and they had started renting the rooms out. But then the company that was building it wasn't going to have it built on time for the 1st days the rooms were rented out. So they had to get another construction company that would build it in 90 days so that people could start arriving.
Speaker 2:Well, that's what you you get for screwing your employees over.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yep. Yep.
Speaker 2:So for this this movie, I I watched it. This is, playing in the background. This is probably my 5th time through because I'm like, I had to have missed something because there's a couple of unexplained things that really bit me right in the back of the head. Are there any things or sorry. Anything specifically that bothered you?
Speaker 3:I love the explanation for time travel where he, like, finds a book that's like, hey. I think you can travel in time, and he's like, oh, I know that guy. And he goes and sees him, and he's like, so traveling in time? And he's like, yeah. You know, you ever been somewhere, and it just feels so authentic?
Speaker 3:You feel like you're in that time. And he's like, yeah. And he goes, yeah. That.
Speaker 4:That's it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Just think. Think real hard.
Speaker 4:Just think real hard in one sentence. I just did.
Speaker 3:And the guy's like, yeah. I think I did it for, like, a second. He's like, you did? You went back in time for a second? He's like, oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:Totes. I totally went back in time. Like, I didn't leave the room. I didn't do anything, but I knew I was back in time for one second. And he's like, oh, okay.
Speaker 3:So, like, how do I stay? And he's like, well, don't have anything from your time to pull you back. And he's like, oh, okay. So would you ever go in the past again? The guy's like, nah.
Speaker 3:No.
Speaker 4:Not worth it?
Speaker 2:Nope. Uh-uh. Not at all. So the thing that bothered me is Christopher Plummer, his whole character. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because it is obvious that we are not dealing with 1 but 2 time travelers in this film. Right. But they provide no background, no explanation, and no satisfying conclusion to Christopher Plummer's arc at all.
Speaker 3:I wanna know what they do in the book because the book is quite thick. It's a novel. Like, it's not I am legend, because right the guy who writes I am legend writes this book. I am legend is like a short story. It's really short.
Speaker 3:But
Speaker 2:Yes. I have the book.
Speaker 3:It's a book book. Like, this somewhere in time is a book. Like, there has to be more in it. So I'd love to know if that's, like, a real fleshed out character in the book. But in the movie, they were like, I don't know.
Speaker 3:He just knows shit. I don't know. You want us to explain that? No one. Look at Christopher Reeves' dick.
Speaker 3:Look. Look. Pretty much. And that, yeah, that was the entire movie in his little pinstriped suit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I I think that's the the one. I'm just I'm stuck on Christopher Plummer. Yeah. Because I think there's possibly 1, 2 there's possibly more time travelers here kind of revolving around this one character.
Speaker 2:But I also wonder if this even happened in the first place.
Speaker 3:Yeah. If it was all in his mind.
Speaker 2:It's possible he became he because they explained that he had just broken up with his girlfriend before he went to the Grand Hotel. Yeah. And so I wonder if it's possible that in his mind, he came up with this idea of, okay. Well, maybe I could travel back in time to see this woman who I'm now obsessing about whose picture is hanging up in the grand hotel. And so he goes through a whole bunch of studying, and that first night when he goes in to basically meditate himself back in time or whatever they explain it as, he, from there on, is is just in a delusional state.
Speaker 2:So everything from there on is just not happening. He basically stops eating, goes into a catatonic state, and they don't bind them till several days later when it's basically too late.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, it would make sense because then everybody in the past knows who he is. Because he walks up to her, and she's like, is it you? And he's like, hell, yeah. It is.
Speaker 3:Wait. Wait. How'd you know it was me? And then we know we know we don't come back to that. She's just like, oh, I just knew.
Speaker 3:Christopher Plummer told me.
Speaker 2:Basically, Christopher Plummer showed up one day warning me that some gentleman someday will show up and basically ruin my entire life.
Speaker 3:Matt is showing me all the stuff that, Richard Matheson has written apparently.
Speaker 4:Wrote What Dreams May Come. Yep.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Into that one.
Speaker 3:Cold check the night stalker?
Speaker 4:He wrote the novelization of the TV show.
Speaker 2:Really?
Speaker 3:This man had range. Okay?
Speaker 2:Like, they were just picking apart his entire catalog. Like, this is where they originally started making some serious ad adaptations. Hey. We're just gonna buy this guy's entire catalog.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They were like, we can probably make this work. Anything. You want what do you want? I got I got a reporter who, you know, stalks the night for supernatural bad guys.
Speaker 3:I got a guy whose wife commits suicide, and he has to go to save her from hell.
Speaker 4:We got time travel.
Speaker 3:Got time travel. Got
Speaker 4:traveling playwright. We got,
Speaker 3:I am legend. Didn't you say he had stuff to do with the Jaws theories as well?
Speaker 2:The director, I believe, actually. So I if I'm not mistaken, the director and the composer both had something to do with Jaws movies. The director, he direct also, directed Jaws 2, and I believe the composer had something to do with Jaws 3 d. Nope. I'm absolutely wrong.
Speaker 2:It's not Jaws 3 d. It must be must be the writer. Did he have something to do with it? Am I just making serious mistakes there? Yeah.
Speaker 2:My brain is telling me he wrote
Speaker 4:the screenplay. Yeah. For one of the jaws movies. Did he also
Speaker 3:no. He wrote the short story that was the basis for real steel. What? Like the Hugh Jackman movie.
Speaker 2:This is He also The Incredible Shrinking Man was also adapted from one of his novels.
Speaker 3:Yeah. And something in the trilogy of terror.
Speaker 2:Oh, he had no So this quite a few things.
Speaker 4:More just a Richard Mathison appreciation episode, I think.
Speaker 3:Well yeah. This
Speaker 4:They've given us so many properties.
Speaker 3:This is probably the most I don't know. What dreams may come is romantic, but this was the most, like, the romance is the point, maybe?
Speaker 2:I would say outside of Matson, who obviously wrote several novels that got adapted into very recognizable things, the most prolific person in this cast is probably the composer himself, John Barry. Because I think I I I had spoken to to Rachel and and you about this, while we were texting back and forth. John Barry was actually the main composer on almost every iteration of James Bond films through, like, Sean Connery, Roger Moore, up until they moved over to, Pierce Brosnan.
Speaker 4:Wow. That's a lot of pop culture impact.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So he he had done all those, but then he also was the composer for dances with wolves out of Africa. There's a lot here.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 2:I could go on and on literally. This guy has a massive back catalog of, I wanna say, very epic films.
Speaker 3:And and I know this like, I've heard the song from this movie before. Is it actually Rachmaninoff, or did he write it?
Speaker 2:That is Rachmaninoff.
Speaker 3:Okay. Because, we have a theme park Miros that used to be Paramount owned, and so they would play theme songs. And they play that all the time. And now it's not Paramount anymore, but they still play it all the time. Every time we go, they play it.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That doesn't mean that John Barry was not the one who assisted with getting on and off into the film or choosing, yeah, that
Speaker 3:Yeah. Or, yeah, putting together that arrangement.
Speaker 4:I wonder if there's a version of this movie with deleted scenes because it really feels like there was so much more to Christopher Plummer's character, and we just don't get to see it.
Speaker 2:I have to get the Blu ray. I think there are.
Speaker 3:Okay. I I had, like, an itty bitty budget. It was, like, $4,000,000 or something ridiculous, like, really tiny. Like, the Christopher Reeves' agent wasn't even gonna let him read for it.
Speaker 2:The budget was just a little over $5,000,000. They made almost twice the amount back, around 9,000,000.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah. As far as, like, movies that he because this is after Superman.
Speaker 4:Oh, this is after. Okay. I thought this was before.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Because they screened the Superman movies on Mackinac Island while he was there. Oh,
Speaker 4:so this is immediately. Pretty close.
Speaker 2:I thought this was after the original Superman. No. It was after the original Superman, but
Speaker 4:before them as in sequels. Like, just a promotional thing.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They put it on because he was there. Was here, so he was
Speaker 4:all the Superman. Okay. Never mind. So this was, like Right after.
Speaker 2:The second big film that he did, and then that was 1980. Superman 3 so Superman 12 were out before that. Superman 3 came out in 1983, and then
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:The, Superman 4, which will go unmentioned, came out in 1987.
Speaker 3:Okay. It which must not be named. I got against, like, Highlander 2.
Speaker 4:Which they skipped for some reason?
Speaker 3:Yeah. They just went straight to 3.
Speaker 4:3 is a good number 3
Speaker 3:is a good number.
Speaker 4:For the second movie.
Speaker 3:And And, like, a Superman flashback. Isn't that the one where he fights the guy in space? Like, like, the big thing. Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:It was it was created to revolve around a lot of nuclear tensions at the
Speaker 3:time. Oh.
Speaker 2:And it was just really, really horrible. It's really bad.
Speaker 3:It was just really bad. I wouldn't say this movie was bad. I just think if you're the kind of person that wants every answer to every question, this isn't your movie.
Speaker 4:Not even close.
Speaker 3:Not even close. If you just wanna see, like, beautiful young James Seymour and beautiful young Christopher Reeve, and you wanna see them doing shit together, this is your movie.
Speaker 4:Christopher Plummer looking jealous.
Speaker 3:Christopher Plummer also not bad looking in this movie.
Speaker 2:My son watched part of it. My son watched part of this film with me, and they got to the scene where Jane Seymour and Christopher Reeves are finally in their room together and giving each other eyes. And he goes, that is the most refined we're gonna do it scene that I have ever seen. She just let down her hair, and that was it.
Speaker 3:Yes. He blows out the candle.
Speaker 4:Yep. You
Speaker 2:know, this is the real news take. Black. You get Jade DeFilippo. Lets her hair down and Christopher Reeve shoulders, and that's it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. And you're like, okay. Alright. Sure.
Speaker 3:And then the next day where they're, like, eating on the floor. He's weirdly eating a chicken wing. Is it he's eating chicken, but it's like the he's, like, pulling the bones apart. It's really weird. I don't know.
Speaker 3:But It's
Speaker 2:like, did they try really, really hard to almost put this into g territory? Like, you know, could almost make this, like, general audiences films outside of
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Slight bit of violence when Christopher Plummer first tackles him and ties him up. Right. Or his his flunkies do anyway. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right. Yeah. It's really, really PC. It's just, like, romance. He shows up, and she's like, is it you?
Speaker 3:And you're like, aw, it's really cute, which I feel like it would almost work out better if we didn't explain that. Like, if we didn't have Christopher Plummer being the one who, like, primed her for that. Like, oh, you're gonna meet this dude. You're gonna know him for, like, 2 days, and he's gonna fuck your shit up for the next 60 years. Trust me.
Speaker 3:And she's like, oh, that sounds really romantic. So when the guy shows up, she's like, yes. I finally met my 2 day romance guy because they're together, like, 3 days.
Speaker 2:Why is this man going to have such an effect on me that I stay in seclusion for, like, 60 years and just drop out of society?
Speaker 3:And it ends up being circular. Like, if Christopher Plummer primed her for that, then when he showed up, she only recognizes him because Christopher Plummer told her he was coming.
Speaker 2:Well, there's a couple of closed loops here.
Speaker 3:It's like the watch. The watch is a closed loop. She gives him the watch. He takes the watch back in time. She gets the watch because she's holding it when he goes back to the future.
Speaker 4:Right. So that watch is infinitely old, and it still works.
Speaker 2:The the watch both exists and doesn't exist at the same time. Yeah. Because it exists just to be passed back and forth between the 2 of them. But where did it come from before?
Speaker 4:That's the time travel device.
Speaker 3:It's the classic time travel paradox.
Speaker 2:Well, like, they were talking about, like, hypnotism being one of the ways that he ended or the way that he ended up going back and a lot of, hypnotists use watches to Yeah. Kind of put them under that suggestion. I like, that's why I think that he more than likely just got obsessed with a picture and put himself into some sort of obsessive catatonic state.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Because she's even looking at him in the picture. So he's even imagining
Speaker 4:himself. Captivates him.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Into the world of the picture.
Speaker 2:Damn. Even I wanna buy this book. Because it's I I mean, I read, but I'm not, like, a a heavy reader. I've got a Yeah. Bookshelves worth of things that I read to kind of feed into what I'm doing with the podcast on occasion.
Speaker 2:But every once in a while, I'll pick up a decent novel, and now this makes me want to pick up this book just because there has to be a better explanation of what's going on.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, you read it, and then you can come on the book club, and we'll talk about the book. Oh,
Speaker 4:nice nice turnabout. Yeah. Thanks.
Speaker 2:You know what? I think that's a that's a deal right there. I I can do that.
Speaker 3:There you go. We'll read it. You read it, and then we'll come back and be like, oh, we still don't know what Christopher Parker's character was doing. His character wasn't even in the book. God damn it.
Speaker 2:There's no explanation for him because he does not exist within the book. He was just created for this film. Christopher Plummer needed something to do.
Speaker 3:Right. He just showed up. He was on Mackinac Island. They're like, I don't know, man. Sure.
Speaker 3:Just give give the man a job. It's fine.
Speaker 2:Okay. Christopher, thank you for showing up. We're gonna pull you into this film. Here's your job. Stand next to her.
Speaker 2:Be confusing.
Speaker 3:Got it. Can I have a goatee and a vague French accent? I'm supposed to be French, but fuck it.
Speaker 2:Very vague.
Speaker 3:Every once in a while, he has, like, a little bit of French at the end of his, like but that's it. The rest is just Christopher Plummer.
Speaker 4:It's just like I proposed to Rachel while we were watching the movie that Christopher Plummer's character was I don't remember the character's names. Elise. Right? Yeah. And Richard.
Speaker 4:I propose that Christopher Plummer's character was Richard and Elise's child that then traveled back into the past to protect his mother from his father. Yeah.
Speaker 2:At first, the reason I rewatched the film is because I thought it might have been the guy that wrote the book.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, he's in it. He's the guy who when he walks into the the bathroom, I think, after, Christopher Reeve is shaving, and he comes out. And the guy goes astounding and then walks into the bathroom. That's Richard Matheson. That's a cameo.
Speaker 4:Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about 2 different things then.
Speaker 3:Okay. So Emmett, the actual writer is in the movie.
Speaker 2:I'm talking about the professor that gave him the idea
Speaker 3:to Yeah. Yeah. No. We never come back to that. That was just a convenient moment of, like, how can you travel in time?
Speaker 3:I don't know. Think real hard about it. And he was like, cool. Thank you. You you work at a college.
Speaker 3:Matter. You work at a college. You must know what you're talking about. Just
Speaker 2:A penny undid everything.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Penny and a pocket. Penny.
Speaker 2:One red cent. And the laziest pullback from time travel I've ever seen in my entire life. No.
Speaker 4:I could just literally, like, just zoom out. No. Shrink the frame.
Speaker 2:Just you reach out dramatically. You scream, no, Richard. And then And work through the rest of the place. What actually happened.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, they spend all their money. They spend all their money on that scene where he's sitting on the on the porch, and she's walking out of the woods.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:They have the
Speaker 4:have the fancy lens that can do focus at 2 distances.
Speaker 3:Yeah. She's in focus, and he's in focus.
Speaker 2:Yeah. That's where all the money went.
Speaker 3:Yeah. That's it right there.
Speaker 2:And and
Speaker 3:all the ports importing the cars to the island because they had to those over to the island.
Speaker 4:And they were only allowed to actually drive the cars while the cameras were filming. Otherwise, they they had to roll them under their own power.
Speaker 3:Well, no. I mean, they could they could use them for filming in other vehicles. They couldn't drive around the island
Speaker 4:or anything. Filming. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I kinda wanted to just sit here and stuff there.
Speaker 4:It's pretty cool. Restriction.
Speaker 3:And, like, they're famous for their fudge. There's, like, 12 fudge shops. It's, like, 8 square miles, and there's, like, 12 fudge shops.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Seventeen. Okay.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of fudge
Speaker 4:shops. Guys said there were 17 fudge shops on the island.
Speaker 3:She said if you just go and get samples from all of them, you can get, like, 2 pounds of fudge for free.
Speaker 2:That's that's an awful lot of fudge.
Speaker 3:Yeah. That's really good fudge, though.
Speaker 2:Like, 2 pounds of fudge would keep me for a while because that's not something you can just, like, dive into and
Speaker 3:just eat. We still
Speaker 2:have to at a time. Yeah. Gotta preserve your fudge and and kinda £2 of fudge, though. That's a lot.
Speaker 3:That's a
Speaker 4:lot of fudge.
Speaker 2:Actually, now that I think about it, fudge is kinda dense, so I guess you can get to £2 pretty easily.
Speaker 3:Yeah. But you don't wanna get there.
Speaker 2:No. I don't wanna eat £2 fudge.
Speaker 3:You you'd regret it. And they, like, make it in front of you. It's their thing.
Speaker 2:That's a blockage waiting to happen. Yeah. Not the good kind. Is there anything else that bothered you about the film?
Speaker 3:Where did he find a suit that fit him? He is 6 foot 4.
Speaker 4:That's a very good point because he found this suit Yeah. That was just extremely well preserved. Yeah. And he must have had it tailored a bit.
Speaker 3:Well, where you can't make fabric and put it on there.
Speaker 4:Maybe you could maybe they pulled thread out and then restitched it using the same historic thread.
Speaker 3:And it just had, like, a 6 inch hem they could undo and let down from? Okay.
Speaker 4:They were prepared. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Just don't look at the stitching, or you'll get pulled back in time.
Speaker 4:This this is sorry. When when you tailor this suit for me, you can only use historically accurate stitching techniques.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, then he goes to the trouble of getting change from the time period as he goes to the coin shop, which is still there, by the way, and it's called the somewhere in time shop. But Okay. He he pulls the coins out, and he's, like, shaking them, and he just goes stupid. And then he walks to the walks to the closet.
Speaker 4:Well, because it's his
Speaker 3:kind of tiny change. And leaves them. And then he has no money in the past.
Speaker 4:No. He has money in the past. That's how he pays for the room.
Speaker 3:He never pays for the room.
Speaker 4:Yeah. He pays hands them dollar coins. Does he? I think so.
Speaker 3:No. He does? Okay. Because I know he eats. He's eating.
Speaker 4:When he the the all the loose change that he's like, ugh, stupid. That's his, like, actual pocket change
Speaker 2:from the
Speaker 3:seventies. Okay.
Speaker 4:And he puts it all away except he'd put it in the little front pocket on the vest. And he was pulling it out, and he must have missed a penny. Oh. So he he's pulling 19 seventies money out of this tiny little pocket.
Speaker 3:Why'd he put it in the pocket now?
Speaker 4:Stupid, Puts it in the change bowl. Puts it in the, I don't know, ashtray or whatever, but he must have left one. So we we know that he was keeping 19 seventies money in that pocket.
Speaker 3:Well, that must have been a really great
Speaker 4:one night. The Chekhov's rifle.
Speaker 3:Because she stays pining for him for, like, 60 years
Speaker 4:Yep.
Speaker 3:To the point where she goes and finds him and is like, come back to me.
Speaker 4:And then dies.
Speaker 3:Keep the coins out of your fucking pocket. She could've just told him, like, don't put any don't put a penny in your pocket.
Speaker 4:Come back with me with empty pockets.
Speaker 2:This movie was almost 2 hours long, and I would have fully watched another hour if they had gotten to near the end and then backtracked and showed you everything from Christopher Plummer's perspective so we could have just a little bit to go by.
Speaker 3:And why doesn't he go back? He comes back to the future, and then he's like, fuck it. I'll die. Well, you're gonna put that much effort into starving yourself. Wouldn't you put that much effort into trying to go back again?
Speaker 4:Right. Just take a break. Like, take a couple days to recover, like, reset mentally, and then, like, okay. I'm gonna try and it's like, I don't really need to hurry too much because I can time travel to a specific day.
Speaker 2:Yeah. What if and I'm just going by what the professor told him to begin with. He had only gone back in time for, like, a second Yeah. And was so physically exhausted, he decided to never do it again. This guy spent 3 days in the past.
Speaker 4:Maybe that's what killed him.
Speaker 2:Possible that him staying back that long may have just put his body into just shutdown mode. He may not have been starving
Speaker 4:himself. Back. Killed him?
Speaker 2:Yeah. He just physically couldn't go on.
Speaker 3:How unfancy the grand rooms are in present time? When he goes back to the past, they're all real nice.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah.
Speaker 3:And it's busy and they're fancy. And then But
Speaker 4:in the seventies, the room is bare bones?
Speaker 3:It's bare bones with, like, a TV. It's like a twin bed and a TV. That's the only thing in the room. These bed these rooms start at, like, $500 a night.
Speaker 2:And modern day Yeah.
Speaker 4:The nicer rooms are 2, 3, 4, 5000 a night.
Speaker 2:Something tells me you have never been in a hotel or a motel room in the eighties.
Speaker 3:But this is the grand. This isn't like a motel room. It's like
Speaker 2:It makes tryna tryna just kinda walk into the Grand Hotel and say, let me ask you a question. Do you have a picture of any of your rooms from back in the eighties? Yeah. Like, did they look as dull as they made them look in the movie, or did you just do that so there was a stark contrast between modern and, you know, 1912?
Speaker 3:It was an And Oh my god. The carpet when they go in in the seventies, the carpet in the, like, main entrance room. And then there's just a room that's like, this is the room of history, but the only thing in it is, like, a tiny little 8 by 10 photo on the wall. I also like contact. No context.
Speaker 3:No. She was in this play. No. Nothing. Just her picture on the wall.
Speaker 4:I wonder if it was Christopher Plummer that took her nameplate off the wall.
Speaker 2:I like that they play Rachmaninoff through most of the movie, but for some reason, they decided to open the movie in a theater with some funk music playing in the background. There was definitely some slap bass going on there.
Speaker 3:It's just to set the time period so you know when you are.
Speaker 2:There's so much music that you could have chosen to open a romantic movie that starts in a theater. Funk is not the place to start. There's a lot of things you could have done.
Speaker 3:Yeah. They also rowboat out to that lighthouse. That's a haul. That's a real fucking far away away from Mackinac. No one is,
Speaker 4:I mean, I it wouldn't be
Speaker 2:It's not that far
Speaker 4:for Superman. Wipe you out.
Speaker 3:It would It'd wipe you out. Mhmm. And it's right in the middle of the ferry shipping lane. Well,
Speaker 4:you know, you could you see how long his arms are. Took a stop. It's like 4 holes on the oars for him.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I know. Even says that he's like, my my arms are, like, 9 feet long when he puts the jacket on. He's like, that's what I like this too.
Speaker 2:You're just further solidifying my reason for him passing away when he came back to the present. I mean, you know, if it's a long haul, I mean, that kind of rowing, this this guy just laid in bed back in time for 1 minute and was exhausted. This guy full on rode out to lighthouse. Maybe maybe you shouldn't have exerted yourself so much. Maybe.
Speaker 3:Just emptied all of his pockets.
Speaker 4:He should have let her buy him a new suit.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Look, I have turned back and put it
Speaker 4:him in the time period.
Speaker 3:Well, he's selling her on his suit because he's trying to defend his choice, which it was really just the only one he could find. He was like, I'm 6 foot 4. Do you have any clothes from 1912? And they were like, what? What?
Speaker 2:No one's
Speaker 3:that tall.
Speaker 2:That there was always some way that he could have been tethered back to the present. How long do you think that he could have stayed in the past physically before his body gave up?
Speaker 4:Oh, no. Well, he seemed to be a little tired when he first arrived. So I think the travel back it wore him out a bit, but not, like, too much. It seems like the
Speaker 3:Well, he's sweating shit. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4:The return trip was a lot more taxing.
Speaker 3:I don't know. I don't know if he could have stayed there indefinitely. I think the real question is if they'd stayed together all the way to 1979 and he saw something from 1979, would he suddenly be in the Grand as his young self? Because he would've
Speaker 4:Oh, oh, back in the Grand? Yeah. At 1979?
Speaker 3:He made it all the way to, like, things that reminded him of his own time period because he was sudden he was back in his own time period. Would he suddenly be young again?
Speaker 4:Or would he now be old in 1979?
Speaker 3:Well, he's old in 1979 because he aged all the way there.
Speaker 4:Right. Right. But but would his aged body then transport back to his original timeline as an aged person?
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah. That or would he go back to being young again?
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 4:With all the memories.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 4:And rather than take 5 days to starve to death, whatever, it'd be a boom.
Speaker 3:Instant death. Yeah. He just dies. He just crumples into dust. No.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I'm gonna be a little bit like Christopher Reeve for a minute. I might be a little obsessed with the whole Christopher Plummer thing just a little bit. And I was just thinking one thing that they could have done to correct how much they left open on Christopher Plummer's end is instead of him pulling the penny out of his own pocket, Christopher Plummer coming into the scene and flipping him the penny.
Speaker 3:Oh. Oh.
Speaker 2:Because we already know he's a time traveler
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 4:Sneaking into the room and putting the penny in his pocket. Or Yeah.
Speaker 2:I would say that he wouldn't put it in his pocket, but put it in a he has it in a small envelope, so he can't see it himself.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:And just leaves it there for more
Speaker 4:experienced place it on. Travel. He can handle it.
Speaker 2:It's possible.
Speaker 3:I think it's just us as people who know Christopher Plummer and know that he goes on to do a lot of stuff. You're like, but he's in this. Why isn't he bigger in this?
Speaker 4:Right. He seems like too big of an actor to cast in this role, but was this before was this before Sound of Music? Was this before his other stuff?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:Think so. I think Sound of Music was definitely a long while before this. Yeah.
Speaker 4:Yeah. That's earlier. But
Speaker 3:I don't know. You're just like, you had him. Like, what? It's like watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and there's that scene where Ben Affleck is on the basketball court. And you're like, oh, that's Ben.
Speaker 3:What's he gonna be doing? Not he's nothing because he's nothing. He's just like a he's an extra.
Speaker 2:No. I mean, Christopher Plummer definitely did a hell of a lot more before this.
Speaker 3:Well, and maybe he had his moment, and then this was his, like, oh, I haven't seen him in anything in a really long time because I think Sound of Music is the sixties.
Speaker 4:Yeah. 65. Let's see. What else was he in before Somewhere in Time?
Speaker 2:Somewhere in Time. He was in quite a bit before Somewhere in Time.
Speaker 3:He's really well preserved in this.
Speaker 2:I'm realizing he's done a ton. Because I have to roll through, like, 5,000 things to get back to where he was in Somewhere in Time. Like, I'm still scrolling here. He was in bad on me. Wow.
Speaker 2:It was a ton of stuff that he was in.
Speaker 4:And he was in a ton of stuff before 1980.
Speaker 2:He was in an equal I'm gonna have to say this out loud. As much as I like Christopher Plummer, he was an equal amount of crap and obscure things as he was, like, stuff that you will remember him for.
Speaker 4:Yeah. He played Cyrano de Bergerac.
Speaker 3:Wasn't he in Dracula 2000? Am I making that up?
Speaker 2:He was in return of the pink panther, like, the original, not the Steve Martin thing back in the seventies.
Speaker 3:I see. You're fine.
Speaker 2:He was just in
Speaker 4:so much. Phone.
Speaker 3:It's over there. It's plugged in.
Speaker 2:Oedipus the king. He played Oedipus.
Speaker 3:It's funny because there's Jane Seymour who is in stuff, but not, like, a ton of stuff.
Speaker 4:I know her from doctor Quinn,
Speaker 3:Medicine Woman. Medicine woman.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Because my mom was a huge fan
Speaker 3:of the show. My dad loved that show.
Speaker 2:I, I had mentioned Jane Seymour being in this film to a friend of mine, And he's like Van Helsing.
Speaker 4:Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Go ahead.
Speaker 2:He's like, isn't that the girl from the Voyager TV series? I'm like, no. No. It's not captain Janeway. No.
Speaker 3:No. No. No. No. Yeah.
Speaker 3:He's Abraham Van Helsing in Dracula 2000. I knew it. You wanna talk about a weirdly star studded movie, Dracula 2000.
Speaker 2:You know what? 2 people from this film actually got together in later films too. Jane Seymour and John Barry, the composer, both, in live and let die. Oh. James Bond.
Speaker 3:Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 2:I don't think that has anything to do with anything. That's probably more coincidence than anything else. It's like they didn't look at the composer. We're like, hey. You know who should be in this film is a Bond girl.
Speaker 2:I don't know. She she was had a really refined sex scene in this, this movie over here. Like, she just let her hair down, and everybody was like, wow.
Speaker 4:Yeah. And everybody was impressed by it. Yeah. That's all it took.
Speaker 3:I mean, it's it's it's romantic. It's a nice little romantic. You know? I didn't have a lot of money than that.
Speaker 2:I really do like this film. It leaves me wanting explanations to a lot of things, but not so much that it makes me hate the film. Right.
Speaker 3:You you kinda just have to experience the film. It's not one you watch and then you're, like, as a critic, I guess. You you don't you can't watch it with, like, a you're gonna get everything explained. It's all gonna make sense. It's just like a love story.
Speaker 3:It's just a love story. It's a love story.
Speaker 2:Can a man will himself across time to meet up with the woman of his dreams that he's only ever seen in the picture?
Speaker 3:Yeah. Once. Once.
Speaker 2:Well, I
Speaker 4:mean, not just probably should have arrived in the past. And instead of just saying, oh, hey. Like, but you don't know me, but you will. He should have said, I have crossed oceans of time to find you.
Speaker 3:Bringing it back to Dracula.
Speaker 2:I mean, in 1912, I think, You Don't Know Me, But You Will was probably probably be a little less creepy than I have crossed oceans of time to be with you. Then what the hell is this bullshit?
Speaker 3:Well, he's very insistent. I mean, it's fine, but it's
Speaker 4:I was a little uncomfortable at how pushy he was.
Speaker 3:Right. I was gonna say, right now, it reads a little pushy when he's, like, at her room, and she's trying to be, like, no. Please leave. And he's, like, oh, I'll leave if you agree to go for a walk with me later.
Speaker 2:Oh, he was full on obsessed through the entire film. So this is like stalker obsession to the point that his stalker can travel back in time with his mind
Speaker 3:Right. Yeah.
Speaker 2:To find the object of his obsession.
Speaker 3:That this is where we have to have a little bit of context, like, context lenses. In the seventies, this would have read as, like, hopelessly romantic. In 2024, you're like, dude, that's love bombing. This is never gonna work out. I have willed myself.
Speaker 4:Don't fall out for it, Elise.
Speaker 3:I have
Speaker 2:willed myself a full 60 years back in time by my sheer obsession with your picture.
Speaker 4:And then he gets one night with her, and then he abandons her in time. He doesn't just say I'm going out for cigarettes. It never comes back. It's like,
Speaker 2:by the way, I read and found out that I went back in time to meet you, and I am the cause of you going into seclusion and eventually dying alone. I knew this, and I did it anyway.
Speaker 3:And I did it anyway. Yep. I ruined your career. Actually, she goes on to do a bunch of stuff, but she's she never finds anybody else.
Speaker 2:They said that she basically dropped in seclusion, though. Like, she didn't deal with the outside world anymore. No. It's like she did stuff, but she decided she didn't wanna be around people. It's like, people
Speaker 3:Well, they might knew her
Speaker 2:back then, and she was free. They might Free spirit.
Speaker 4:They might just literally pop out of existence in her bedroom. She should've risked that with another man. It's like, oh, no. Something about me. I just
Speaker 3:Well, and then
Speaker 4:ceased to exist.
Speaker 3:How did she find him? She didn't know where he went. He could have been an alien for all she fucking knew. And then she's like, okay. Alright.
Speaker 3:I found him. And then that's the night she died.
Speaker 4:Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Right.
Speaker 3:So she finds him. She gives him the watch, and then she's like, well, I'm out.
Speaker 2:She died. I've completed the loop.
Speaker 4:She probably periodically, like, looked for a Richard Collier.
Speaker 3:I don't know. But the end was very Titanic, or should I say Titanic ending was very somewhere in
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Where What if
Speaker 4:He dies and he meet her in the
Speaker 3:afterlife?
Speaker 2:Yeah. What if from her perspective, him going back to where he was in time was absolutely grotesque to watch? Like, he didn't just go back in time. He sees tunnel vision, but what she sees is him reaching out and then every layer of him slowly devolves 1 piece at a time.
Speaker 4:Getting stretched into a thinner and transparent line.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Or skin goes first and then muscle.
Speaker 2:It's like, I don't wanna deal with humans anymore because this last person that I fell in love with just dissolved in front of me, and it's just PTSD keeping her in her room for the rest of her life. Just don't touch me.
Speaker 4:Thinking about the time period, what what would somebody have said? Maybe something like fucking fairies.
Speaker 3:Can you just imagine she's sitting around with her girlfriends and, like, oh my god. This guy ghosted me. Like, we hung out. We had a great time. We had a couple never came back.
Speaker 3:And she's like, y'all, one time I had a guy who didn't wanna marry me so bad, he dissolved into nothingness in my room. The literal version of ghosting, just like faded. Literally just scented me. He traveled 60 year he, like, willed himself 60 years in time to avoid being with me. Yeah.
Speaker 2:He came back 60 years. It was just like, oh, fuck this and back 60 years into the future. Somewhere in time,
Speaker 4:the original Back to the Future.
Speaker 2:Like, took him 3 days to realize, no. I'm good.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Well, because right before that, she's like, you know, you are gonna marry me. Right? Because they're sitting there eating on the floor, and she's like, okay. Well, we're gonna get married.
Speaker 3:Right? And he's like, oh, yeah. Yeah. No. Totally.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The penny was his version of the mid date you call that you asked somebody to give you to give you an excuse to get out of there?
Speaker 3:Right. Yeah. Exactly. Because then she's like, well, I'm gonna have to buy you a new suit. And he's like, what?
Speaker 3:It's a great suit. He puts the suit on. He's like, oh, look at this. I have a penny in my pocket. Weirdest thing.
Speaker 3:Whoosh. The next time.
Speaker 2:I found the penny. No.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Never mind. No. I got I got when I came here. Like, I I traveled in time to be with you.
Speaker 3:I've been with you, headed back to my own time now. But then he didn't maybe didn't realize the physical toll it would take because then he just dies.
Speaker 2:Do you think they possibly could have made a sequel from this film?
Speaker 3:Yeah. It'd be like predestination. She has a child, and it's Richard Collier. And then he has to go back in time and be his own dad, so he's a closed loop, which is why it's possible to have to travel through time.
Speaker 4:With, Ethan Hawke?
Speaker 2:No. I can't say that I have.
Speaker 4:Oh, you gotta watch it. Don't Okay. Disregard everything Rachel just said.
Speaker 2:I will do my best not to listen to the podcast while I'm editing it.
Speaker 3:Okay. Well, I feel like I could probably explain it, and you still wouldn't know what was going on. So I'm not really sure it would matter if you heard me or not. It's a you gotta watch it movie.
Speaker 2:You just said Ethan Hawke predestination. I'm gonna have to go look it up now.
Speaker 3:It's, based on a Philip k Dick, the guy who wrote Blade Runner.
Speaker 2:Okay. Okay.
Speaker 3:It's based on a story by him. So if that gives you any idea of what you're gonna be working with
Speaker 2:Well, that makes me more excited to watch it
Speaker 3:because,
Speaker 2:Philip k Dick is is notorious for some out there shit. So
Speaker 3:Oh, it's out there. Shit. Yeah. It's out there.
Speaker 4:That really likes it.
Speaker 2:That is not a very intelligent assessment of Philip
Speaker 3:k Dick. No. It is. No. He's weird as fuck, man.
Speaker 3:Yeah. This is Philip k Dick.
Speaker 2:This is the 10 o'clock at night I've been working with children all day and cleaning up after their messes only to come home and try to think for myself, Moe.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Listen. That's I mean, I I feel like he's one of those authors that gets really much a lot better when he gets adapted because, like
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Do androids dream of electric sheep is just weird.
Speaker 4:That that was not very good as a book.
Speaker 3:No. In the opening scene, he's feeding a robot sheep, and he's just sitting there thinking about the ethics of feeding this robot sheep because everybody's required to keep an animal.
Speaker 4:Right. And he's trying to convince all of his neighbors that he does have an animal that he has kept alive. And that's part of, like, the new religion is you have to keep an animal and keep it alive.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 4:But his sheep died, so he had to get a robotic replacement so that he would not be shamed by his members of the society.
Speaker 2:Where does the feeding the robot sheep come in now?
Speaker 3:Well, he's gotta feed it so that people think it's alive. So he gives it food, but it doesn't eat because it's not alive.
Speaker 4:It eats, and it poops. But that's not where it gets its energy from.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's weird.
Speaker 2:You're feeding it other animals.
Speaker 4:Thing with his wife and this, like, emotion dialer thing.
Speaker 2:You can
Speaker 4:make it make yourself feel whatever emotions you want.
Speaker 2:Why am I not reading more?
Speaker 4:And she decides she decides to become depressed.
Speaker 2:Oh, wow.
Speaker 4:And he can't get her out of it.
Speaker 2:She just decides to become depressed?
Speaker 4:Yeah. Well, she yeah. She's discontent with life.
Speaker 3:Well, she has a dialer. She just turns the dial to depressed.
Speaker 4:She just picks random dials, and then she finds the combination for depression. And, like, oh, this this is good.
Speaker 3:This I like this. Don't touch that dial.
Speaker 4:I think she might die.
Speaker 3:Of depression? Something related. Remember the Voigt Kampf test in the movie is really compact and interesting. And in the book, it's like people chucking shit at you as you run around.
Speaker 2:So literally dialing
Speaker 4:up your depression. The movie.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Literally.
Speaker 2:Literally dialing up your depression.
Speaker 4:Yeah. It's symbolism. Okay.
Speaker 2:It's good symbolism.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Oh, yeah. But it's not entertaining, really, as a book.
Speaker 3:I mean, maybe we need to do a thing on Philip k Dick. I feel like he's probably very sixties male science fiction.
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. Oh, it's extremely male fiction. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Philip k Dick. I I feel like I've watched a movie a couple of movies based off of his
Speaker 3:stuff. There's quite a few. They made that TV show too, almost human, I think, that had Eomer in it, whose name I never remember. He's in the boys. He's in it so much, and I only remember him as Eomer.
Speaker 3:And his name is?
Speaker 2:Something.
Speaker 4:If you'd asked me, I could've told you, but then you kept going, And it pushed it out of my brain. Yeah. He played, Dredd.
Speaker 2:Carl Urban?
Speaker 4:Yes. Carl Urban. Yes.
Speaker 3:Carl Urban. He's in the television show.
Speaker 2:There's only 2 people there.
Speaker 3:And he can't even see his face. He wears the helmet the entire movie.
Speaker 2:There's Karl Urban, and there's Sylvester Stallone, and I knew you were not talking about Rocky. So
Speaker 3:No. No. No. Karl Urban's in it. It's called, I think, Almost Human.
Speaker 3:It ran for, like, a season. It was really good, and it didn't end up I don't know why they didn't renew it, but it's like a futuristic cop procedural.
Speaker 4:And then there was the the Tom Cruise one with the psychics that predict crime.
Speaker 3:Mhmm. Minority report.
Speaker 4:Minority report. That was Philip Kadick. I think a short story. Most of the stuff of his that's adapted are short stories. Do you dream of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep was a full novel.
Speaker 4:Although it it was fairly short novel, compared to a lot of novels nowadays.
Speaker 3:A Scanner Darkly.
Speaker 4:A Scanner Darkly was also fairly hey, Dick.
Speaker 2:Okay. I've watched that. Okay. Yeah. So there's a lot of different things I've been listening to.
Speaker 4:Good stuff, but it it becomes better in the adaptation.
Speaker 2:I am calling myself out here because I am the slowest reader that I know. Like
Speaker 4:Audiobooks are still reading.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes. I I have sat down on occasion with my wife because we we we we occasionally like to just kinda turn off all the electronics and sit down and read. And she's like, hey. I got through, like, 7 chapters, and I'm sitting here, like, finishing chapter 1. I she's, like, she's a fast reader, and she's got great memory retention.
Speaker 2:And I'm reading, like, chapter 1. She's like, so what did you read about? Hold on. Let me read that again. I'm not
Speaker 3:a audiobook.
Speaker 2:That's a chore.
Speaker 3:You can check them out from the library. You don't even have to pay for them. I check a lot of library books a lot of audiobooks out from the library.
Speaker 2:So, libraries don't work for me. I purchase my books because it cost me less. Ah,
Speaker 4:yeah. Well, if if you do the digital library checkouts
Speaker 2:Yeah. Very true.
Speaker 4:Overdrive or Libby.
Speaker 3:That's what I mean. I don't get the disc. I have an app on my phone that's connected to my library card, and I just stream from the library.
Speaker 2:Burned bridges with my entire local library system. I could do that, but I have been basically banned from the library, for the
Speaker 4:They're they are always welcome to have you back.
Speaker 3:Well, then you can there's, like there are places you can get cards even if you're not a resident.
Speaker 2:Yeah. It's called my kids.
Speaker 3:I think there's a couple in Florida. I know the New York Public Library was open for a bit.
Speaker 4:Yeah. To high school students, I think. It wasn't. I don't think it was it ever. But anyway
Speaker 2:Are are you are you related to this Chris here? Yeah. I'm sorry. We're gonna have to ask you for a, rather significant deposit before you get your card. We're we're aware of this.
Speaker 2:Well, I mean, he had a card, and then his wife took out a card because he got banned from using. Then his daughter took out a card, and then she didn't return books. And and we realized that you're the 4th person in the family, but, yeah, we see a pattern, and I'm not sure we want to invest in you. So why don't you invest in us first? And, we'll see where this goes.
Speaker 3:Yep.
Speaker 4:I Safety deposit.
Speaker 3:At the library where I grew up, I can't use my card because I still owe for a Pure Mood CD that I lost.
Speaker 2:Oh, Pure Moods of
Speaker 3:all things. Pure Moods, but that dates when I lost that one.
Speaker 2:And I
Speaker 3:was like, wow. I just will never go back.
Speaker 2:I, I'm fine.
Speaker 4:You got a different last name now.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's fine. I should go back.
Speaker 2:I have become an avid supporter of my local new and used books and media shops. Nice. There's a place. I'm gonna give a nice shout out to our folks over at, Bull Moose, down in, Plaistow and, Portsmouth. They're new and used media, and, I go there frequently to stock up from their 50 cent book section.
Speaker 3:Nice. And
Speaker 2:it's just too bad
Speaker 3:about reference.
Speaker 2:A little too old or slightly damaged or whatever. They just have walls of, like, 50 cent books. And, yeah, that's where I get most of the garbage that I have around my house.
Speaker 3:I mean, I could yeah. I would shop the 50¢ section. I'll I like a good broken in book. I don't need it to be pristine. All I need is to be able
Speaker 2:to to crack the spine and not have it crack in half and have pages fall out. That's all I'm asking.
Speaker 3:Yep. Yep. That's a good goal.
Speaker 2:And I have picked up the occasional 50 cent book that does that. Like, you're halfway through reading it, and then you open it just a little bit too far, and you hear, and then 5 pages fall out.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's all dried out.
Speaker 2:So it's like, yeah. That could have been, a
Speaker 3:mystery work. Somewhere in time.
Speaker 2:Right?
Speaker 3:I think it's also titled, bide your time.
Speaker 2:Is it Bide Your Time?
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. The book was different. The book had a slightly different name.
Speaker 3:Well, the copy I have is somewhere in time, but it had an original name. It was like, bide your time.
Speaker 2:It was definitely not somewhere in time. It was, yeah, bide time return.
Speaker 3:Okay. Bid time return.
Speaker 2:Bid time return? Bid time
Speaker 3:return. Yeah. Because it's like a Shakespeare quote, I think.
Speaker 2:Bid time return. My terrible accent.
Speaker 3:Matt read a thing about, the original Shakespeare would have sounded like, the American South because the American Southern accent is closest to what, like, older English accents would have sounded like. So if you hear Shakespeare read with a thick southern accent, that's the most authentic
Speaker 4:way to hear it. Accent is very close to what was spoken in, like, 1700 southern England. Yeah. So the the people who colonized the US had the old school, like, English island accent. And they actually, I was listening to this guy on social media that talks about language stuff.
Speaker 4:But he was saying, particularly in the mountains of the Southern US, the accent is extremely well preserved.
Speaker 2:Okay. Well, that there's a lot of mountainous areas. So Right. Well
Speaker 4:yeah. Well, Appalachia. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay. Okay.
Speaker 4:Or Appalachia. Appalachia. As I learned in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2:I've I've Appalachia. Pronounced several different ways.
Speaker 3:Yeah. It's from Richard the second, act 3, scene 2.
Speaker 4:But, yeah, Shakespeare spoken in an American southern accent flows really well Yeah. Because of the inflections and Here we go. The rhythm to the speech.
Speaker 3:One day too late. I fear me, noble lord, hath clouded all thy happy days on earth. Oh, call back yesterday. Bid time return, and thou shalt have 12,000 fighting men.
Speaker 2:That's, right there. That's Atlanta, Georgia Shakespeare in the Park.
Speaker 3:Bid time return.
Speaker 4:Bid time return.
Speaker 3:Bid time return. So that was the original, title. Also, Rachel not code switched for podcasting. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright. So winding down here. Just a couple of quick questions. Then I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and ambush you guys in just a minute because I just had a podcast with a couple of, folks from Hazard Valley Films, and I I asked a question. I don't know if you guys saw the question.
Speaker 2:No. Put it put it out on threads earlier. Sometimes you guys see it, sometimes you don't. So first, I'm just gonna ask, of all the performances in this film, who do you think delivered the best performance?
Speaker 3:The lady with pink hair.
Speaker 4:Oh, yes. The other actress.
Speaker 3:It was like, oh, hello, tall tall and handsome. You have appeared at my door. And I'm like
Speaker 2:That is, Edra Gate.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's her name. Genevieve. Some of these
Speaker 3:I mean, I think I think this was good. I liked this movie. I don't think this was
Speaker 2:a movie
Speaker 3:you think too deeply about. I think it's just a movie you enjoy, and then, you know, go visit where it was filmed. I guess this is Doug Jones' favorite movie.
Speaker 2:Really?
Speaker 3:That's good enough for Doug Jones. It's good enough for me.
Speaker 2:Like, of all the films that he's watched, this is his favorite? Yeah. Doug Jones. Aw, Doug Jones.
Speaker 3:I know. Anyway good. I mean, it's good. It just is it, like, the most groundbreaking movie? No.
Speaker 3:Would I put it on in the background while I was doing something else? Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, I liked the film. I genuinely liked the film, but I'm also, like, going through some Christopher Reeves nostalgia just a little bit.
Speaker 3:Mhmm.
Speaker 2:It's the most half assed excuse I've ever seen for time travel. I'm hoping like, I'm I'm going to read the book now. I've committed to reading the book or at the very least listening to the audiobook.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, this is worse than Hot Tub Time Machine.
Speaker 2:At least the version
Speaker 4:of time
Speaker 2:travel in Hot Tub Time Machine was humorous. You could give a get a good hard laugh out of how they ended up back in the past.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Okay.
Speaker 2:And I could also see how like, because, basically, what they did is all they did was travel back in time. Their present minds go back in time into their younger bodies.
Speaker 3:Yeah. That's true.
Speaker 2:So if they had done that here, where he had inhabited the body of somebody either his his age or younger or a relative in the past, that would be one thing. But this is just him through the shield force of will and obsession, putting himself back in time, which
Speaker 3:He wanted yeah. He wanted to hit that so hard. He traveled back in time.
Speaker 2:That's not humorous. Possibly mildly creepy.
Speaker 3:That's fair.
Speaker 2:Yep. See, the filler words. I I actually realized that the transcript on the other, app, which you are allowing my my my use of, they point out all the filler words in the transcript. Like, this is where you said, If you'd like to cut out all the, we can do that for you. And I'm like, yeah.
Speaker 2:But then you'd cut out half of what I said. Yeah. So I'm not sure if that works. Yep. People, sometimes they think, and I get the filler words kinda pop up every once in a while, but sometimes they're like, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So and how would you rate this film on a scale of, spinal taps 1 to turned up all the way to 11?
Speaker 3:It's a 7. It's enjoyable. It's not groundbreaking, but it's fun.
Speaker 4:Yeah. I I would say 5 or 6. Yeah. I watched it. I was entertained most of the movie.
Speaker 3:It was not Garbage Bail Kids.
Speaker 4:I would not necessarily have chosen to watch this myself, but I don't regret watching it.
Speaker 2:I watched it fully twice over the past couple of days, and then partially, like, I would put on the movie with earbuds in and then put my phone in my pocket and just listen to what's going on as I was doing my work. So rather than, like, a podcast, like, I would take, like, a 2 hour span and just listen to it in the background. But, I would split the difference. I would I would give it about a 6.5, almost a 7.
Speaker 3:I think that's fair.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright. Now here is the out of left field question that I posed on threads, and this might cause a little bit of that, that I was just talking about. But if you wanna work together, you can come up with a quick list of 5.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Hell is full, and the dead walk the earth. Which eighties and or nineties film characters would you take into battle to push back the hordes of the dead and why? Give me a top 5.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:Top 5.
Speaker 4:Death from Bill and Ted.
Speaker 3:Leeloo Dallas multi pass, obviously, supreme being.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:Slam dunk. You want death from Bill and Ted's bogus adventure?
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 3:Okay. Love how we had 2 right off the bat.
Speaker 2:You were ready for that 2 that you committed to right off
Speaker 4:the bat. The the lady mouse from rats of NIM. Okay.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 4:Missus Frisbee? Frisbee. Yep.
Speaker 3:Okay. I'm going through a catalog here. I'm like, what vampire movie has
Speaker 2:There's there's a lot to pull from. Yeah. It's
Speaker 4:2 whole decades. From Labyrinth.
Speaker 3:Hoggle? No. Jareth. Well, that but Jareth was kind of a bad guy. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But he has powers. Right. Ludo.
Speaker 2:It doesn't matter if they're bad
Speaker 3:or good.
Speaker 4:You're fighting against the dead. Let's compromise on Ludo Ludo. From Labyrinth.
Speaker 3:Okay. That's 4. We need one more. FelCorps from the never ending story.
Speaker 2:Yep. Falkor.
Speaker 4:I'm getting on that.
Speaker 2:Yeah. I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you this right now. He was picked in the last episode.
Speaker 3:Oh, really? He's a fucking look, Greg. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That, Vince, from the, Northwest Flying Saucer Film Festival, he picked Falkor as part of his team.
Speaker 3:He's got
Speaker 2:2 tanks. Interesting that, like, you guys both
Speaker 3:fell right back. 10000 miles in an hour or whatever It did help that
Speaker 4:you started. I was before you said Falkor, I was gonna say,
Speaker 3:thank you. To the winch. Winch. Oh, okay.
Speaker 4:No. The, the unicorn from legend.
Speaker 3:Oh, how about this lord darkness? Would he fight on your side
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 3:If you're fighting the bad guys, like demons? Just Tom Cruise in a miniskirt.
Speaker 4:My first thought was Tom Cruise from legend. Uh-uh. But then I thought, no. Some character from legend with that was actually useful to have around.
Speaker 2:I see why you progressed to FelCor real quick because you started going through, like, Jim Henson stuff
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:A little bit.
Speaker 3:It went like the best puppet ever, FelCor, obviously.
Speaker 4:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Alright. Well, that was a fun little experiment. It wasn't
Speaker 3:as much of an
Speaker 2:ambush as I imagined that was gonna be, though. You guys coordinated that real quick. Teamwork.
Speaker 3:I guess we could choose 10 because then it'd be 5 and 5.
Speaker 2:We need a a small army.
Speaker 3:You could have oh, didn't when did Dragon Ball z come out? Is that the nineties?
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. Definitely the nineties. I think it could have been 89. Let's see.
Speaker 2:When was you have to ask when the first Dragon Ball z film came out because these are film characters from the eighties nineties. So when did they have the first There's
Speaker 4:a new TV movie. D, Dragon Ball z
Speaker 3:The Iron Giant.
Speaker 2:If you got I like that pick. The Iron
Speaker 4:Giant. Ball z. I think the first one was 1990. Multiple of them. Nope.
Speaker 4:1989. 1987. Oh, wait. That's Dragon Ball.
Speaker 3:Well, it's gotta be the movie.
Speaker 4:Drag yeah. Dragon Ball z dead zone was 1989.
Speaker 2:Dead zone.
Speaker 4:Then there were there were 2 movies in 1990. Yeah. Could totally have Goku.
Speaker 3:Totally have Goku. I don't know what that puts us at now. We added a couple.
Speaker 2:That puts you at an unfair advantage against the dead is what it is. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, there's 2 of us. We should collaborate and get 10 instead of 5. That would be that would just make more logistical sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Like, we had, like, one
Speaker 3:team that was from Beetlejuice. K. Sorry.
Speaker 2:We had one guy that was picking guys like Rambo and and Emmett Brown and stuff like that and, like, Doc Brown from back in the future. You know, they were thinking of, like, human level characters, and you guys, like, picked, like, a eighties nineties, like, super team.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, I feel like that's a really on brand, actually.
Speaker 2:With all the vampire love there, that's definitely unbrand.
Speaker 3:I was like, man, maybe somebody from The Lost Boys, but now they're all just whiny. Totoro. Totoro. And but he wouldn't do anything. He'd just go to sleep.
Speaker 4:Cat bus.
Speaker 3:Well, then you forget FelCor, so you don't really need transportation.
Speaker 4:You get FelCor, I get cat bus. Alright. Fine.
Speaker 2:Well, now you need 5 apiece.
Speaker 3:Yeah. You both
Speaker 2:got your transportation.
Speaker 4:And we can transport them. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Alright. Well, I I really do thank you guys for joining me today, at your suggestion, technically, because I asked you to pick this movie. And, my brain just disappeared much like Christopher Reeve at the end of that movie. Wow.
Speaker 3:You must have seen a penny with, your birthday present.
Speaker 2:I, no. I have no pennies actually. Weird. My commits have all been taken from me by the IRS.
Speaker 3:They're
Speaker 2:all gone. Every single one of them.
Speaker 3:One at a time.
Speaker 2:Just blink. That being said, why don't you tell us, or tell our listeners where they can find your podcast?
Speaker 3:Well, we're at the Strange Beautiful Book Club. We also have Come In 80 1 kilo, which was our forever night podcast, which is mostly finished, although we have another interview coming up pretty soon.
Speaker 2:Oh.
Speaker 3:And we also have the dead do not podcast, which is what we're working on right now, and that's our Lex rewatch podcast. Strange and Beautiful Network also has Gare Can Get It, which is a exploration of Canadian actor Garrett Wind Davies, storied and varied filmography, which right now we're watching Airwolf.
Speaker 2:Airwolf.
Speaker 3:And I'm not sure that there's a television show that encapsulates the fear of terrorists during the Cold War as accurately as Airwolf? Because it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. That's pretty much us.
Speaker 3:We're on break until October, but we'll have new episodes coming out soon.
Speaker 2:I feel like a team, Airwolf, and Knight Rider all fall into a similar category.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Yeah. Superpowered machines fighting bad guys who are mostly Russian terrorists.
Speaker 2:I'm about 95% concerned that they never thought about crossing any of those shows over.
Speaker 3:Well, some of them did. I think
Speaker 4:had crossovers.
Speaker 3:I think Knight Rider had a couple. I know $6,000,000 Man would show up in random shows.
Speaker 2:I'm just saying I was concerned that neither of those shows crossed over with each other.
Speaker 3:Yeah. I don't know because Airwolf is basically Knight Rider in the air. Right. And every time Airwolf does, like, a maneuver, like like a dramatic turn or whatever, it sounds like the creatures from crawl. It's like, and every time I see it, I'm like, I wanna watch crawl now.
Speaker 3:I'd rather be watching crawl than this, and that's saying something.
Speaker 2:We know where you borrowed that sound effect from.
Speaker 3:I'm it's exactly the same sound. Every time, I'm like, oh, that's from Kroll.
Speaker 2:It's like you're stealing from somebody else's catalog, or maybe it's been, you know, loaned. It's like we wanna remind people that this film exists, so why don't we just add that to Airwolf, and now you're gonna be watching the show and think, where do I know that from?
Speaker 3:Because I mean, nobody's seen Krull, so it's fine.
Speaker 2:I've seen Krull.
Speaker 3:Although, I guess they're rebooting it, Which of all things to reboot, krull?
Speaker 4:No. Bold move.
Speaker 3:It was, like, the most ex it's just, like anyway, krull is a whole other
Speaker 2:I bet I mean, you could only do it better.
Speaker 3:You could only do it bet it's the weirdest. It was like, guys, fantasy is really hot right now, but so is sci fi. What if, and I'm just spitballing here, they ride horses but shoot laser beams? And they were like, fuck. This man is on to something.
Speaker 3:And then they just gave them, like, I think we did it. When we did the podcast on it, we figured out, like, adjusted for inflation, like, 100 of 1,000,000 of dollars for the budget. Yeah. And it's just a man in tight pants climbing a mountain for, like, an hour.
Speaker 2:What did they accumulate the money into?
Speaker 3:The laser beams? I don't know. The the web. Liam Neeson? Liam Neeson?
Speaker 2:Yeah. I well, he wasn't missing that much track then.
Speaker 4:No. I I think it was his first credited role.
Speaker 3:It was. And then all the sets, there's quite a few very elaborate sets.
Speaker 2:One of these days, we know you're going to be a man with a certain set of skills, and we're gonna pay you for those now.
Speaker 4:Yeah. They invested.
Speaker 3:Isn't he?
Speaker 2:Long before he became dark man. That that film. Oh, anyway, I've watched all 3 of them, and he's not in the other 2, and that's good.
Speaker 3:Isn't it, god, it's like the guy who played the mummy from the mummy.
Speaker 2:Yes. Yes. I can't remember his name for the life of me, but that is who
Speaker 3:it is. Imhotep.
Speaker 2:And they even like, they had flashbacks to the original movie, and they had to somehow make it so he was part of the flashbacks that they cut in from the original movie. So no. Sam Raimi has done a lot of great stuff, but that was not one of them.
Speaker 4:No. Not at all.
Speaker 3:No. Can't all be hits.
Speaker 2:And, our podcast can, literally be found, wherever podcasts are found. And, now even more places, because, the distribution setup is allowing for distribution to, like, podcasting apps in other countries.
Speaker 3:Yeah. How is
Speaker 2:yeah. That's that was weird. I started seeing stuff pop up from, like, Russia and India, and I'm like
Speaker 3:We're very popular in the Czech Republic. I
Speaker 4:Oh, yeah. We we have a separately published podcast called the Dune Deep Cuts, and we've covered the Dune books. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Pretty much all.
Speaker 4:And all the movies and
Speaker 2:I have listened to this. Sci fi adaptations.
Speaker 3:We've been in the top 200 of, like, sci fi all time chart in the Czech Republic for, like, 8 weeks for the dude for the dude deep dives. And every time I see it, I'm like, still?
Speaker 2:I've just released that episode last night, and I'm looking through it. I'm like, what? I there was an app that used to exist called Podcoin. Mhmm. And the whole idea so you know how, like, certain apps, they'll, like, pay you to to track your steps or or for other little things.
Speaker 2:Well, Podcoin paid you or allowed you to donate to charity based off the amount of podcasts you listen to. Oh. So when we had, you know, Podcoin available to us, we were racking up pretty significant numbers in every country but the United States. Like, every country but the United States. And, so we haven't had a lot of international listeners since then, since that dissolved because Podcoin didn't realize that you can't just pay out money
Speaker 3:Without making money?
Speaker 2:There was no advertisement. You weren't except for advertising Podcoin. So, basically, you're advertising to bring more people to Podcoin so the Podcoin could pay more people to listen to podcasts, but they didn't have a plan to take money back in.
Speaker 3:Okay. Well
Speaker 4:So work out for them.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Legitimately, they should have set it up. So, like, you know, maybe you were running ads within your podcast alongside of Podcoin or something to that nature.
Speaker 3:Like Tubi.
Speaker 2:Or even a subscription service.
Speaker 4:Instead of pay per click, it's pay per step.
Speaker 3:Well, like Tubi, the way Tubi works is they add ads.
Speaker 4:Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So I think that's how Podcoin should have gone, but, yeah, you live, you learn, you lose a lot of money, you pay people to basically do nothing and give you no money.
Speaker 4:Well, one one of the funding strategies for, like, new new tech startups is you start off as free to get reach, to to get, like, user adoption, and then you monetize it afterward.
Speaker 3:But they never monetized it.
Speaker 4:But they, yeah, they may never have made it to the point where they said, okay. Here's the threshold we need to start bringing in revenue.
Speaker 2:That's where I think, like, Anchor did their thing. I think Anchor has always been part of Spotify. I think it's always been part of Spotify. I don't think they bought them out. I think it's always been there, and Spotify set up Riverside FM, which is where we're sitting right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because they figured, okay. We got these people. We got them doing we have the free tools. They've got all their podcasts set up. Now we're gonna pull the rug out from under them and say, by the way, we're gonna be eliminating all this stuff.
Speaker 2:And if you really need that stuff, you're gonna have to come over here to do that.
Speaker 3:No. That's fair.
Speaker 2:Which is a decent strategy. But why frame it as, we bought them out?
Speaker 3:Yeah. I mean, it's like the once slur. Just is what it is.
Speaker 4:Riverside was funded by, brothers Gideon and Nadav from Tel Aviv.
Speaker 2:Okay. So I'm wrong.
Speaker 3:Maybe they got bought by Spotify. I don't know who owns Riverside. I just really like it. And when it stops being worth the value, worth what you pay for it, I'll stop using it.
Speaker 2:I'm enjoying it now that I realized I can turn the game down on my, microphone, and it doesn't sound like, it's not picking up anything. Oh, yes. Doesn't sound like that at
Speaker 3:all. Good.
Speaker 2:And you guys don't hear excessive amount of noise going on around me, which is even more important. Poignant. It
Speaker 4:looks like they're still an independent company.
Speaker 3:Sweetly important.
Speaker 4:They have their investors
Speaker 3:listed. Couple companies that are like this, where they're for podcasts, which I love the big this is funny. The maybe we can cut it out. I don't know. But, like, the big movement now is to do video podcasts.
Speaker 3:So people are doing video podcasts and putting them up on YouTube, and everyone's like, yo, that's just a YouTube channel. Right? That's not a podcast. It's just a YouTube channel.
Speaker 2:Right. To to to have the podcast part, you have to both have the audio and the video.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, podcasts were podcasts because you could download them to your iPad and listen to the audio. So a podcast is audio only.
Speaker 2:I don't wanna see the recording that I did the other night. I never wanna see it. So there's a reason why I'm happy with this setup right here because I can hear you. You can hear me. The other night last night, I did a recording, and, we had 4 people all fed in through Discord.
Speaker 2:Oh. No. Don't ever do that. Like, I kept dropping out and dropping out and dropping out and dropping out. And so, like, I had to bit and piece my audio back together and cut certain things out or their audio would drop.
Speaker 2:And so it would because I think I told you what my setup was originally was I I had trouble recording, but also having live people in at the same time. So I had, like, a speaker set up, like, a really crystal clear speaker that would basically act as the person in the room attached to a second, tablet. And that was how I was getting the audio to the microphone as opposed to what we're doing right now, which is a hell of a lot more convenient.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So when the microphone stops working and it reverts back to the tablet audio, it doesn't pick up as well.
Speaker 3:Not good.
Speaker 2:Alright. Well, again, thank you for for coming by and and suggesting this movie. I am I'm going to definitely have to sit down and at least watch this with my wife because I think this kind of thing is, like, right up her alley.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 2:So she likes to watch a lot of those, like, it feels like a Lifetime or Hallmark movie. It really
Speaker 3:does. But like a good like, good. Like, I don't know. It doesn't feel canned. It feels very, I don't know.
Speaker 3:Just feels very sincere, I guess.
Speaker 2:It feels like what you get from life.
Speaker 4:Maybe covering the book with you? Mhmm.
Speaker 2:You can count on that. I will I will even go so far as to take notes, which I never do. I will take notes.
Speaker 4:Chick fil serious.
Speaker 2:I will sit down, and I will take notes because my ADHD ass will not be able to keep up without them.
Speaker 3:We come back, your whole back wall is just like red string and pictures of Christopher Plummer.
Speaker 2:Just like No.
Speaker 3:We just
Speaker 2:no. It won't even be that. It's like I got white walls here. I'll have pulled down all the pictures. I'm just scrolling things on the wall nervously.
Speaker 3:Yeah. Like in dark city when he goes to visit his friend, and he's just drawing the spiral. Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like, are you okay, Chris? Just a few more thoughts. A few more thoughts.
Speaker 3:Just a Christopher Plummer. Why is he in this? I can't find him in the book. He's gotta be in the book. And then you travel back in time.
Speaker 3:You appear in Christopher Plummer's room
Speaker 2:That's like when you
Speaker 3:were in somewhere in time. What? It's 1965. Goddamn it. I went too far.
Speaker 2:I tried so hard. I sat in my room. I got rid of everything, closed my eyes, and I transported myself back in time. Anyway, he was writing the novel, and I wanted an explanation about why Christopher Plummer is in his fucking novel.
Speaker 3:You just show up. Richard Matheson's like, what? He never had the idea for the novel. You explained the idea of the novel to him, and that's how he got the idea for the novel.
Speaker 2:Coincidentally, all the all the the anger and angst that I caused in him by cursing him out for not having Christopher Plummer in his film is the whole reason why they hunted Christopher Plummer down and put him in the film.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 2:Why wasn't he in the book? I don't know. I know why
Speaker 3:he's in the movie. In my room, threatened me, gave me the idea for a book if but I had to put Christopher Plummer in the movie. So he's in the movie.
Speaker 2:I threw a penny at him, and he disappeared.
Speaker 4:That's how I got the idea for the boat.
Speaker 3:Yeah. See? Another close
Speaker 2:That's how that happened.
Speaker 3:Classic time travel paradox.
Speaker 2:We close the loop. Alright. And I keep trying get out of the podcast. Keep trying to end it. So here we go.
Speaker 2:Thank you again. And as miss b is always fond of saying, thank you, and drink some water, you thirsty bitches.