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Now, so it was that after three days,

they found him in the

temple, sitting in the midst

of the teachers, both listening to them

and asking them questions.

Luke 2, verse 46.

I really wanted to play Fortnite on

Friday night, and I texted

Lance, and we were supposed

to get on, but apparently the season

ended, and the servers

were just down for maintenance

for hours.

I got really far.

So last night, I just wanted to play one

game before bed, and

you know what happened.

You didn't go to bed.

You won.

I have set myself up for another

potentially undefeated

season, so I don't know if I should

keep playing.

I won my first, I keep winning my first

match out the gate, and

I have undefeated seasons

of Fortnite because of that, and I keep

it that way just so I

can say I have undefeated

seasons of Fortnite.

So I won, and now I

don't know what to do.

Oh, just keep going.

It's fine.

I have an undefeated season.

I could have had like four or five.

Yeah, I know, but it's

tempting every time, you know?

What if you go two and a half?

Oh.

So you're setting me up for failure.

Yeah, that's what I'm going for.

Yeah, that's what's going to happen.

Yeah, they always do that, by the way.

If there's a new season, it's

going to be down to like 4 AM.

That's just how it is every season.

That seems like a long time.

Why would they do that on a Friday night?

I kind of hope they always down it, and

then Saturday morning,

it's like everyone's home,

I guess.

You wake up and play the new season, and

don't--whatever you

do, in case for whatever

reason you're like, "You know what?

I'm excited about this season.

I'm going to play when it opens up at 4

o'clock in the morning."

It is not advised to do that, especially

depending on the lobbies you get.

It is the sweatiest thing

you will ever be a part of.

I'm not as good as you, so that would

either work out or

completely not work out.

How did the last season end?

Did the rock win?

I have no idea.

I haven't really paid attention.

I'm not excited about this season

with--it's Keanu Reeves,

and who I--somebody I think

is a wrestler or something.

I have no idea.

I haven't looked into it at all.

It's John Wick.

Oh.

And I use--

Only if it comes with a dog.

It actually probably does.

I would be willing to bet that there's a

dog factor, whether it's

his backpack or companion

or whatever, but ironically, I use what's

called the John Wick

skin from season one, just

because it was a guy in a black suit and

a beard, and thought it

kind of looked like me.

Yeah, that's when--

And now there's real John Wick.

That's when Fortnite didn't realize how

big they were going to

be, so they were doing

knockoffs of everything.

Including Marvel characters.

Marvel characters.

They had a Star Lord, and then they had a

Wonder Woman thing, and

then it got so big that

there was like--

Four black pants are--

I guess we're actually going

to put these people in there.

And now it's Tomb Raider versus Alien

versus Predator versus

Ariana Grande versus Master

Chief versus Dragon Ball Z.

Yeah, it's crazy.

They have--

They have demon hunters.

They literally have everything

except for Lord of the Rings.

That's like the only

thing they have left.

They have Star Wars.

They have any cartoon basically now.

It's kind of crazy.

Well, now that the hunt of Fergalum is

coming out, I bet Lord of

the Rings is right around

the corner.

And here first.

Actually it's--

Quite possible.

That's quite possible.

Quite possible.

I would be shocked because

it's Warner Brothers, isn't it?

Yeah.

And they have the DC stuff.

Well, they just got bought.

Right?

Warner Brothers?

No, they were bidding for-- or wait.

No, they got bought, right?

Yeah.

Because I know it didn't go through, then

someone else bought them.

Was it Paramount?

I don't remember.

Because I remember it was supposed to be

like maybe Netflix, but then they--

But then it--

It was too much of a monopoly.

They didn't agree to it.

Yeah, whatever that is has not gone

through or been chosen or resolved.

But that'll be a factor in that too.

Absolutely.

Well, they-- let's see.

If Netflix-- Netflix already-- well, OK.

Yeah.

We'll see.

Yeah.

Welcome back to We Who Endure.

Pardon me.

Excuse me.

We're going to be talking

about-- what's it called?

What a terrible-- terrible--

Gate Zero?

Not a good start.

Gate Zero.

Apparently, it's this video game that's

going to go through the Bible.

So we're going to discuss that and just

discuss Christianity in video games.

Blade O'Neill and joining me, as always,

is my brother Lance.

Hi.

And Dustin C. Smith.

Hello.

So Gate Zero.

Lance turned me onto

this-- turned us onto it.

I haven't heard of it.

Apparently, this has

been a thing for years.

It's been in development for a while.

It started as just kind of a grassroots

thing and then eventually

went through Kickstarter

and got funded that way

really quickly, actually.

And then it's a UK-based

company that's making this game.

Let's see.

It's basically-- what did you say?

It was kind of like-- Assassin's Creed.

Kind of, yeah.

Kind of Assassin's Creed-y as far as--

You're in the future.

And now you have to go into the past to

do stuff, which is

basically Assassin's Creed,

right?

Yeah, you have this time machine thing.

So basically, his grandma was arrested

for harboring this book

that she wasn't supposed

to have because it was

against everything they believed in.

This book was the Bible.

And so it kind of has almost like a

living in a Book of

Eli-type situation where there's

no Bibles around, there's nothing--

Christianity has been kind of wiped out.

Unadicated.

Yeah.

So and then he finds out that his parents

who are gone had

developed a time machine.

And so he kind of uses it and then is

trying to find out what

his grandma was doing and

why she was doing it.

And therefore, his back around 30 AD,

around when Jesus was doing his--

Ministry.

Yeah, it seems interesting.

If you watch the trailer, we will include

a link to the trailer

in the description for

the podcast if you guys want to quickly

and safely take a look

at that before we continue

this discussion.

So right off the bat, we see what appears

to be Mary and Joseph.

And they're like, have you seen our son?

And we all know the ending to that story.

But it's our verse.

It was our verse.

And it seems like it's going to even go

as far as the

crucifixion, like there was the

shadow of the crucifixion, spoiler alert,

the crucified Jesus.

It'd be interesting to see where it ends.

Like will it just be the resurrection or

will it go through, is

he ever 40 days after

the resurrection?

Like where is that going to end?

Where's the game end?

I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if it's

like-- especially how

just games are these days.

Resurrection, DLC.

Yeah, there's a DLC.

DLC, resurrection, you know?

Hey, Dad, can I get

the resurrection pack?

They brought back Jesus.

No, but think about the other part of it.

You also go through with the disciples

helping spread the gospel, right?

Because they have their journeys and they

all die and everything like that.

So you could then expand upon that.

And not only that, which is something

that would be really

cool, is what if you could

do prequel DLCs, right?

Like, all right, let's

take you back to Noah.

You got to help him

find the dodo bird, right?

Like you run around trying

to get the dodo bird on the--

But no matter what

happens, you failed that mission.

Yeah.

Yeah, even though you save him, you find

out he still goes

extinct because humans later.

Or he just keeps jumping off the Ark and

then you have to go get him.

Like, he just won't stay on the Ark.

Yeah.

I'm interested to see how the game--

visually, it looks pretty stunning.

It looks pretty good.

It looks like they've done the research.

They're trying to not just do a default

old Israel looking like

they're actually looking

at kind of historically how buildings

should look, but what

people wore, things like that.

And there's like a

little cyclist I think I saw.

He was like herding sheep because

obviously it's probably--

hopefully it's not one of

those things where it

happens like 50 times in a game.

Like, oh, my sheep are gone again.

Can you catch all 30 of them for me?

Yeah, those are repetitive missions.

What kind of-- so you

have the time machine.

And like, eh, that's kind of weird.

But like, I mean--

Clishy.

What are you going to do?

And also like how

picky we're going to be.

I think the more concerning issue is how

are they handling this biblical material.

It seems pretty respectful.

And I just want to

bring up that in contrast.

I think this is a little more interesting

and a more comfortable way of approaching

it than that Jesus VR game where you

actually play as Jesus

and do the miracles in first

person and water into wine.

It's like because that is

watching the chiller for thine.

This is wine.

No, there's not.

But you know what I mean?

Like being Jesus in a video game just--

It seems blasphemous.

It seems-- I mean,

maybe they have good intent.

I don't know.

But it just-- I can't play it.

And I think we mentioned this before.

Maybe there would be a game where you can

witness these things.

And this is what that's doing.

And it was around this

whole time apparently.

Yeah.

And obviously, as long as everything's

accurate and you're just

kind of helping the story

go along, it's cool.

Obviously they also talk about-- I think

in the game there'll be

certain characters who

aren't really talked about too much in

the Bible that they

kind of introduce and will

add to.

I think it's-- I guess you can probably

take it as similar as to the--

The chosen.

The chosen show where probably have some

liberties with certain side characters, I

guess you can recall in the Bible.

And in between events.

And that as long as it's nothing bad.

It's like, OK, fine.

You have to do what you have to do.

Right?

What it might be is a lot of the side

quests or even in the

background Jesus is doing something

or like, oh, this is around

the time when this happens.

But you're on this thing where you're

making sure-- I think I saw

on another clip somewhere.

It was having to help

lower the lame person down.

I can't believe you said that.

I was just going to say, wouldn't it be

cool if you had to help--

Yeah, help lower him down.

Because you were doing something and then

you're in one of your tasks.

I think it's like in a different video

because when I was like

doing my research for this--

You got to help the lady get through the

crowd to touch Jesus's cloth.

Interesting.

That would be cool.

Like the guards are chasing you and

actually open up a way

for her to crawl through to

touch his garment or whatever.

But I mean, they've done the research

from what I've heard.

They're obviously not rushing something.

So they have the funds to make it.

They're just trying to get the best

people to work on it to make it good.

So I think that's why they're not too

worried about rushing a

deadline or not making it

be like Grand Theft Auto 6

and taking several years.

20 years.

Are we going to get GTA 6

or a Bible video game first?

But they did stuff as far as they

produced a level and sent

it out to 5,000 youth group

kids across the world to basically beta

test it and got a lot

of positive feedback.

And kids having fun with

it and things like that.

And then they even had like-- they put

out a demo to download.

And I think it said-- it was downloaded

like almost 7,000 times

when it was first released.

And so there's some following to it.

And there's people excited about it.

I think the most important thing to think

about-- and I know we

talked about it when

we had a game episode a while back-- is

what you put into it

when you're playing these

games.

Like what are you getting out of it?

Are you playing this game as just being a

game and it just

happens to be about the life

of Jesus in that time?

Or is it another tool type situation to

where you're playing this

level, the situation that

happens, and then it causes you to go

back and look in the

Bible and read about it and

read up on it to be like, hey, I just

played that and I

just read that scripture.

I think there's no problem with both

because there's nothing

inherently wrong with playing

a video game, like

anything within reason.

And I don't understand how there is this

new resurgence of pastors.

This 50-year-old man is playing video

games and this is as bad as corn.

Yeah, I got you.

I got you.

And I think that's insane.

Because I guarantee you, this

congregation, if you said

the same thing about football,

people would be like, hmm.

Like they were still

going to be pushed back.

If you make it an

idol, you make it an idol.

But anyway, I just

totally went off on a tangent.

What did you just say?

Oh, so even if you are just going into

this game just to have

fun, to just take a break

from whatever, if you're going into it

like that and then

you're playing something and

that, or you're playing it and you're

like, wait a second,

was that in the Bible?

And then that causes you to open up your

Bible and look at it and

then like, wow, I never

realized that was in the Bible.

And that same thing happened to me with

the chosen because

like, you know, like, wait,

are they doing everything right?

And when Jesus had that whip, when he was

flipping the tables, I

never caught that in,

I think it was John's version of that,

that he has the whip.

I never caught that.

It's like one verse

that mentions the whip.

And I was like, where did

they get this whip from?

And I was wrong.

So like, that was a learning experience

for me, which is pretty cool.

Right.

So it can be a lot of that.

Right.

And I think as long as you don't have

something to where you bring up

something, you bring

up a scripture for someone and then

someone playing the game is

like, oh yeah, that reminds

me of level in level three.

You mean John?

No, but you were telling us that before

we started recording

that on their website, they

have a verse reference that you can kind

of when you're going

along with the game, you

can kind of like,

they're giving you reference.

Well, I found the play guide.

Yeah.

Well, you know who the end boss is.

Well, what a twist would it be if your

character was the antichrist?

That would be.

Well, because I think it isn't the idea

of the game as you're

trying to fix the history

or is it just you're

witnessing the history?

I thought it was you were trying to like,

like, like fix

something that happened because

they are like, because

they tried stopping it.

They tried stopping

something from happening.

I thought there was somewhere where I

read that, which is

kind of kind of obviously,

I mean, at the end of the day, no matter

what, though, it's still

a Christian fiction for

whatever biblical events,

you know, may be accurate.

You still got to approach this as just

biblical fiction because,

you know, like you we don't

have time machines, right?

And you can't go back and erase the

history of the Bible and

God would never have allowed

it.

So you got to still sort of take this

plot with a grain of salt.

Right.

At the end of the day.

So here's a here's a little like

synopsis, I guess it's

called the backstory on their

website.

It says you play as Max, a rebellious

teen in 2072 where a

ruthless regime rewrites history

and erases truth after a time traveling

accident strands you in ancient Israel.

Your grandmother is captured.

Your only goal is to fix the

time machine and return home.

But as you uncover traces of corruption

in history, you realize

the stakes are far greater

to outwit wit the establishment to save

your grandmother and restore the truth.

You must find and preserve the original

biblical records before

they are lost forever.

So I don't know if it's they're erasing.

So from that, I don't know if it's you

have to adjust what

happened in time or they're

just saying you have to help find the

Bible and bring the

Bible back into your current

time because you can take

that, I feel like either way.

It's like quantum.

So they're changing it to where it fits.

So it's like quantum leap like Sam

Beckett or is it book of Eli?

Well, the only thing with the time

machine, we only think

you watch book of Eli.

No, because all book of Eli is it's just

like this basically

rundown civilization and people

have forgotten how to read.

And there's only like one publication of

talking about now or this is like.

And so the main character played by

Denzel Washington,

everyone's after him because he

has the book.

He has the Bible and everybody wants to

because having the

Bible means you have power.

So all these like gangs and everything

else is trying to get it.

And he's trying to get to the west coast

like San Francisco or

something like that to do

it.

And then the one is a pattern is they're

finding out he's spoiler.

He's blind.

And so his Bible is all braille.

And then spoiler spoiler.

Yeah.

So I'm sorry, but if you haven't watched

it in the last 15 years, it's funny.

But what ends up happening is something

happens to the book and

they're like, that's the only

one existence.

He's like, I've got it memorized.

Which also is the same thing.

It's just like, well, so then it doesn't

become like the

Denzel Washington version.

It's the Eli standard version.

Yeah.

Oh, that's funny.

Interesting.

So that's the only

thing is the Bible thing.

That's the only connection to book of Eli

has nothing to do with time travel.

But the one other aspect of this game

that I think would be

interesting depending on

how they play it out is

from what it sounds like.

2072 is kind of like the end times.

Right.

So is there any like interpretation of

revelations of any type of

plagues or anything like that?

The bowls of the judgments or whatever or

the antichrist being

or the antichrist being

in there?

Yeah.

You know, problems.

The whole aspect will be cool too.

And obviously, to some extent, right,

like there's way more.

There's so many different interpretations

people have of that.

So like it would just be interesting to

see that kind of be in a

video game if that aspect

does come into play more of

like, how do you handle that?

What does this look like?

What's the antichrist look like?

What do you think?

Like they are over.

Is there is there marks?

How do they do that?

Right.

Like so I think that's that's I would

almost hope it like have

to do with that because

then otherwise, if you're creating this

dystopian future where

there is no Bible and nobody

knows anything about Christianity, that

doesn't really seem to

play out what's going on in

revelations to begin with.

So hopefully that does play a part in it.

Yeah, I think I think it's got to.

So it should be should be interesting to

see how that's interpreted.

I agree.

The beast antichrist.

Is there the rapture?

You know, there's a lot of things.

It'd be interesting.

This will probably not have his grandma.

It was clearly.

Well, okay.

Yeah.

Well, well, well, well, she disappeared.

Well, she said she was captured.

He thinks she was captured plot twists.

She was raptured.

Maybe.

I don't know.

We'll have to see.

We'll have to play the game whenever it

comes whenever it comes out.

So look out for that.

Right.

So I mean, the Kickstarter

is back to where we're at.

You can wishlist on Steam.

Oh, can you?

Yeah.

Perfect.

Maybe we'll put that link in the

description as well.

What about like, like other

games or anything like that?

Like it would be, you know, like, like,

like, because you know

how, like, so this is like

an Assassin's Creed

type situation type thing.

Like, are there any kind of like other

mainstream games that

would kind of be cool with like

a biblical twist?

I think the Old Testament doesn't get

enough love and there's

so much to do in movies.

In games and you know, and you're you're

much less likely to run

into problems with blasphemy.

Right.

If you do Exodus, you know, story of

Moses, if you lead the

people through the desert

or you know, you can do Daniel.

Right.

I feel like the easiest game you could

make into like a Bible game is D&D.

It says what I was saying to you.

Like, you could have a mission like you

have these missions of like leading.

Oh, I see.

So like you could be like D&D and be

like, you know, you're

Noah and you're helping try

to get lions and you got to roll for

animal, animal handling skills.

Right.

And you got to try to get all the animals

onto the Ark or I

rolled a one and the line

bit you.

Try again.

Yeah.

We're like, what kind of wood?

Do you have this with the stronger or

you're going to hold out

for this kind of thing?

Kind of wood.

Yep.

You got a hundred years to build it.

So that's a long campaign.

That's big campaigns.

Just you and your family.

I mean, you can also do it with like, I

don't know, like war

campaigns or even just like

some mission that someone

was on that they have to do.

Like you have your Daniel and his

friends, you know, going

through and like, oh, you

are you're in this furnace.

You roll for, you know, like whatever for

protection or what

level of like, what level

of faith do you have to roll for

spiritual something?

I don't know.

I, uh, yeah.

What's it, what's it called when you put

all of your numbers into one thing?

Uh, put all your marbles in one basket.

Well, no, because you in

the beginning you have stats.

Uh, right.

And you can, you can put them into

different categories, whatever.

So you'd put all yours into spiritual.

Yeah.

Like, oh, I should have had more faith.

Didn't, didn't work out.

I thought it'd be kind of cool to have a,

so it's speaking to

like Noah thinking like

almost like a Sim city, but you're

designing an art, like

you're like not designing the

art, but you're designing the

compartments of like

where all the animals are.

And you're kind of like building it up

and you get to the point

where it has the counter

for years, you're approaching a hundred.

You have all the animals yet.

Oh, where's the dodo?

Oh, they're extinct.

They're extinct.

They're like, oh, no unicorn.

Sorry.

Yeah, that's a good one.

Or I'm trying to think what

else, what other great risk?

Risk.

So risk, but you have

like actual campaigns.

So you have like Israelites versus the,

the Amalekites or, you

know, you have like the

different regions, you know, the, for

the, for the different

tribes and the different,

so like you're getting all 12 tribes and

you're going against, you know, the, the, the, the

what would you call it?

Risk.

No, you got to have a risk.

It's got to be

something like, uh, exit this.

Um, what's the game?

What's the game where you have to escape

something and you have to

go like, that could be like

an Exodus game.

So like making your way

through Egypt shoots and ladders.

No, that's peaks and valleys.

That's the new name. That's the new name. That's the new name.

And you know what you do with Scrabble.

Call it just babble.

Oh goodness.

Wow.

And what's kind of weird is that Babble

is kind of in the word Scrabble.

Jenga, but it's, but

it's the tower of babble.

And as you build it higher,

it ends up falling, right?

Each piece of wood needs to have like a

different language on it.

It says, it says, it says Scrabble or it

has to say something, but

in a different language.

The same words.

What do you, what do you

do with the language thing?

How do you, how do you incorporate

language into Jenga?

Yeah.

So you're building.

We just call it babble.

Babble.

Well, I know, but, um, so like we know,

we know the plot of Jenga, right?

So you take out, but

that's, but that is the plot.

So like when you play Jenga, you take

whatever piece and you put it on top.

Yeah.

And because why does the story is they're

trying to build to heaven,

but eventually it gets too high

and it'll just topple down and you lose.

Right.

So that's the whole thing.

Yeah.

I was just trying to

think about language.

What if, what if as it starts, it's in

English, but then as you

get taller, like you move to

like number three on the, on the thing

and then it becomes a different language.

So then you can't even understand what

the instructions are anymore.

Just like they were when

they're building higher and higher.

But you, but you know what the

instructions are like,

cause you started it.

So like what, well, they

did too sort of factor.

Well, for instance, okay.

So, so bear with me.

So we have a party game.

Okay.

Is we would have a Jenga set and on the,

on the underside of

the bricks or the blocks,

it would say something

on the bottom, like, um,

Oh, you're talking about like, like when

it's like a drinking game or something.

Just a party game.

Come on.

I'm just trying to understand.

You know, you're, you're at youth group

and you're having this party game and it

says something like run

around the run around the building, you

know, and you put that

brick and you put that brick up,

you know, and eventually, but it'll have

like different phases on that.

So like you would have stuff written

under there and like the first

ones would be easy because of

it in English.

But then as you get further, like that's

in like Chinese or Arabic or whatever.

Or it tells you to do something to mess

with the other person.

And it's almost like, and it messes up

the tower to follow

because, so now it's like,

because we have a miscommunication

accident, but I bumped into you because I

didn't realize that's

what you were doing.

And now you knocked it over.

Or maybe there could even be something

where after a few rounds, you can no

longer talk to each other.

Yeah, I don't know.

That doesn't even seem like

it would hinder you, though.

What if you change the game?

Sorry.

And you just call it repent.

And what do you, what do you do?

It's the same game.

It's just called repent.

Repent.

Just like Scrabble.

It's the same game.

It's just called

babble or ask forgiveness.

Yeah.

Please forgive me.

I just took your red pawn or you know,

OK, so we're talking about the in the in

the other game with the end times, right?

So what if you do like a Last of Us type

game, but it takes

place during revelations?

So interesting.

So you're going through

and you're doing everything.

But in the meantime, like in the

background, you see like, oh, there's the

there's there's there's the beast.

And then like the end of the game, you

see like everything falling into like the

pit of fire because you know, it might be

interesting for a game like that.

You know, in some of these RPGs, you have

to you talk to people and

you have different options.

And depending on what you say, like Final

Fantasy type, I suppose.

I don't know if depending

on how you answer changes.

It's like the course of the game.

Yeah. Yeah.

What if you could also like try to save

people and depending on what you say to

certain NPCs, you can either save them or

not save them so you can actually play

through it multiple times trying to save

people to get to the end game depending

on how like what you choose to say to them.

And if they react in anger, you know what

you then say or like or maybe you have to

leave it alone and come back because you

can't save them here.

But maybe you can save

them later in the game.

But also you can just completely blow it.

And that might be interesting.

But like you're always on the run because

you refuse the mark of the beast.

So therefore you can't just go and buy

stuff where you can't enter places.

And there's an

underground Christian market.

And that's how you get food.

Yes.

And news market that you kind of watch or

you listen to on some like wave radio

that tells you like

update the two witnesses died.

But then they came back and they're just

like, whoa, we got to get there.

Like what? That's a eye

throwback to two episodes.

But I think doing like a

Last of Us like revelation type.

I think that's I

think that's a great idea.

I'm actually surprised.

That's not something

people are jumping on.

Like I said, because how many times are

we doing the story of Jesus?

I mean, love the

story of Jesus, whatever.

But like, you know, whatever.

I'm scared.

You know what I mean?

Like we have we have Jesus.

We are we have this we

have this game come out.

We have the chosen.

We just got the king of.

Well, technically, you're still getting

Jesus because that's the

he's now going to be on a horse.

He's not on a donkey.

He's on a horse.

But he's coming to make war.

I'm just saying we have the best part is

at the end of the game, Jesus comes in on

the horse and you're like, all right, I'm

going to slaughter you all now.

Wow.

That's cool.

That might be cool if you do if you do it

right and and not to

shift us back to other thing.

But I appreciate about this.

What's this game called?

Open gate open gate.

That's selling it to us.

They might want to change the name.

Well, I keep honestly I keep forgetting

open gate nine zero.

Zero zero zero zero.

Why is it called gate zero?

I don't know.

I'm thinking gate like Stargate some gate

zero people may be a different maybe a

different name there.

What was I going to say?

Oh, I think the the production value

looks looks pretty good.

Yeah.

Because I think sometimes like people see

Christian movies Christian content and

it's like not always of the best quality.

It's like it's like a homework movie.

It looks it looks quality.

I think I think and

not to be little them.

And also if you're still looking for

voice actors open gate.

It's a zero open gate.

A.I.

What are you saying?

Wow.

I'm not picking me now.

Anyway, a shepherd boy.

I had my sheep.

Just have him be the sheep.

I say that a lot.

But not to belittle any

work that they're doing.

But there are so many these days so many

great like places to go to make great

games like unreal engine or indie games

are so much so much

higher quality these days.

It's very accessible.

Like almost almost anyone can make.

And as I say that yes

they use unreal engine.

So that kind of explains why they have

such a good quality there on top of their

hard work belittling anything.

And not belittling you

know big studio tiles either.

But like quite frankly like there's so

many video mainstream video

games that are just not good.

So indie games are really thriving and

you never know which one

is just going to take off.

You look at something like like Five

Nights at Freddy's that was an indie game

and now it's a triple A title.

Because it's it's not necessarily about

graphics or anything like that.

It's just like give good content.

And that's it.

That's that's all it is like.

Well and I think I think another reason

why it might be taking longer and

everything else is because one you want

the great quality but I'm sure you're

also vetting these people these

developers to be like minded like you

because you know being a

Christian game being whatever.

You know you want like

believers I would think.

Right not to say that there isn't anyone

that or people working on the game but

I'm sure they probably are use our

picking from people that or at least

people who believe in it.

Right.

You know whether whether

they're they're saved or not.

And then I'm sure there's also aspects of

it to be like OK we're doing this.

Is this OK.

Does anyone have an issue with this.

Is there an aspect of this

that maybe is like someone.

It might be wrong you know to do.

I think that's how far left field are we

taking this or did we take too much

liberty in this aspect of the game and do

we need to dial it back a little bit.

Yeah I mean as long as it

doesn't become a GTA 6 right.

Well does say you can

explore in free realm.

So I'm sure there's an aspect where you

just like walk around.

But that's probably

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