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50% of women will have visible hair loss by 50
and 66% of men by 35.
But by the time you actually see visible
hair loss or thinning
hair, you've actually lost
about 50% of the density of your hair.
So it's something that you really
just like everything else diet, exercise,
you know?
Yeah, you want to be proactive.
You really preventative
The Move Forward Every Day podcast.
We all get 24 hours in a day
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What is important to you?
Who are you and what makes you happy?
Hi everyone.
I'm MaryRuth,
the founder and CEO of MaryRuth Organics.
And today on the move Forward Every Day podcast.
We have not only one of my close friends
for a few years now, John Goss,
but he's also going to share with us his morning
routine, his nighttime routine.
And he has an incredible hair company.
And what I love about everyone
listening is that our most asked questions
for the last two years have been about hair.
So we are very blessed.
John is also my neighbor.
He lives like maybe 1 or 2 miles away from me,
and today is the day he has come on the podcast.
So John, please share with us anything you think
is helpful about your personal
or your professional life and your whole journey
as an incredible entrepreneur
of the brand Adegen.
Am I saying that correctly? Yep yep yep. Great.
Well, first of all,
thank you so much for having me.
And I just want to say, for people
that don't know you personally,
I'm so inspired by you and your success,
but so much more than your success.
Like who you are as a person.
And, you know, you have this thriving company.
You guys are just. It's
amazing what you guys do.
I'm truly inspired by your success,
but I'm so inspired by the person you are.
Like genuinely
I mean that, like, you're such an amazing human.
And for all your customers,
I know you have so many people that,
you know, watch you and follow you on social,
but like to see you behind the scenes,
like what you see and who she is behind
the scenes is even better than what you see.
Like,
you're such a genuinely amazing human and like,
I feel very privileged and it's an honor
to be friends and like, I'm so grateful.
And truley, you're one of the most amazing,
like, inspiring people that I know.
So thank you so much for having
me. Yeah, thank you so,
yeah.
So, I grew up in a small little farm
town in Ohio.
And even as a little kid,
I, like, was always obsessed with my hair.
Grew up, like, taking my mom or my mom,
you know, making my mom take me to, like, salons
instead of barbers.
And I take pictures like Brad Pitt
and Tom Cruise.
Like, I want to get my hair like this.
So I was always obsessed with my hair.
Even as a young kid.
I got voted best hair in high school.
And so my hair,
my hair was like a huge part of my identity.
And my grandfather on my mom's side, who I was
always told we inherited our hair genetics
from our mom's side, had the, you know,
most beautiful black, thick head of hair.
And so I thought I hit
like the hair lottery or genetics.
I never have to worry about
hair loss or thinning hair.
And as soon as I graduated high school,
I started losing my hair.
Like it.
It was horrible.
Like I couldn't like it.
It destroyed. It destroyed me.
I mean, it was super,
super stable coming from the front?
A little from the back at the beginning,
I couldn't even like at the beginning,
I honestly couldn't even, like, admit
or like accept that it was happening.
It was like
it was such a shock to me at such a young age.
And seriously, such a like
it was such an emotional,
emotionally devastating thing
to have happen at a young age.
And I think, like, thinning hair and hair loss
is one of our first signs of like, mortality,
to be honest with you.
I think it's like one of the first things
that can happen.
We were like, what is going on? Like, it's like.
And so I never thought that I'd have a company,
you know, that
talks about or that would be on a podcast
with you talking about hair loss and hair growth
and things like that. But
here we are.
So I, you know, played sports in college,
graduated, got I went into medical sales
and I did that for like six years.
And then I was in the shower doing my routine.
And I heard this voice in my head that said,
you know, this can really help a lot of people.
And that's kind of what led me into
entrepreneurship and and starting the company.
And it's been a very long journey.
But yeah, that's kind of where we're at now.
And, things are going very well.
We got voated in 5000, last year,
one of the fast growing company.
So really grateful.
But I moved to Beverly Hills,
you know, a couple of about a year ago.
Yeah.
So super grateful to be here and super,
super thankful to be with you.
Also wanted to go back to where you're sharing
how you were in the shower
and some hair was coming out.
And at first you were almost in denial.
I think that's
what a lot of women are going through.
They get pregnant.
Hair loss is very common
after you give birth and post pardum.
And there's like
the same kind of story
and they're like almost not even sure.
Oh that's weird.
How long do you think it took you
from when you were like, okay
I need to do something
from when you first started to lose your hair.
So that's, that's I think the biggest thing
is educating and understanding
what's actually happening.
So it took me years to actually understand what
is actually happening, what's the root cause.
And there's so many things on the market.
And so like it's such a painful problem
that I think, you know,
the market is so big and there's so many people
selling things and taking advantage of people.
And like I tried product after product.
And as you know,
there's only two FDA approved products for hair
loss, Minoxidil and Finasteride.
And those have been out for over 35 years.
So think about the technology
that is advanced in the last 35 years.
Like, you know, it's it's it's insane.
But there's a reason why that is.
But first of all, like it's a much more common
issue than most people realize.
And, 50% of women have visible hair
loss by the age of 50 and 65,
or 66% of men by 35.
So it's super common.
And by the time you actually see visible hair
loss, you've already lost about 50% density.
Can you also say
all three of those stats again for our listeners
I know they’re going to want to hear it.
Talk about it with their friends or tell. Yeah.
So yeah.
So for so that's the other thing
that was interesting for me is I,
you know, was always working on
trying to sell my own and treat my own problem.
But I didn't realize how common it was
for women.
But 50% of women will have visible hair
loss by 50
and 66% of men by 35.
But by the time you actually see visible
hair loss or thinning
hair, you've actually lost
about 50% of the density of your hair.
So it's something that you really
just like everything else diet, exercise,
you know?
Yeah, you want to be proactive.
You really preventative your,
you know, dental care.
So there's so many things
that we are educated on
how to be preventative and proactive
and take care of our, our health.
But the hair is
one of the things that nobody really talks about
being brilliant and preventative.
Yeah. It’s like hair care. Yeah.
And what's funny is, you know,
when people ask me like, what have I done?
Or what do I do?
Then they're like, well,
do I have to do this for the rest of my life?
I'm like, well, no.
Only as long as you want to have good hair
or take care of your hair.
But the same thing if you want to,
you know, work out or take care of your body
or you know, if you
as long as you think that, you know,
as long as you keep brushing your teeth.
But it is something
that, unfortunately, is a sign of aging.
It's, you know, they call it androgenetic
or, you know, genetic hair loss,
but there's all these different,
you know, what I, what I say is hair
loss is actually not the problem.
Thinning hair and hair loss is not the problem.
It's a symptom of an underlying problem.
And that underlying problem is. Yeah.
Exactly. Yeah. So it's a it's a warning flag.
I mean it's like a yeah it's a red flag
saying there's something wrong.
And what's going on is there's a, the health
of a hair follicle struggling.
So the hair follicle and the reason
why the hair follicles struggle
is because it's getting a lack of vitamins
and nutrients and oxygen and blood flow.
So it's very similar to cardiovascular disease
where the heart and the arteries
get clogged, the arteries of the heart
get clogged by plaque, it restricts blood flow.
And then that cuts off the vitamins
and nutrients to the to the cells
of the muscle of the heart.
And if that's not fixed, you know,
they call it a heart attack.
And it's actually the number one
cause of death in the world.
I mean, it's a huge thing.
So, it's very similar.
It's not, you know, the hair
follicle isn't getting clogged with plaque,
but the there's a part of the hair follicle
but called the androgen receptor.
I don't want to get technical,
but what happens is blood
flow is getting restricted to the hair follicle.
And then the hair follicle starts
getting less oxygen, blood flow and nutrients
because that's blood flow is the vehicle.
It's the delivery vehicle
for all the nutrients and minerals and vitamins.
So what happens is it starts
producing thinner hair because it's weaker.
And you don't see that at the beginning.
But as the hair follicle gets weaker and weaker,
the hair gets thinner and thinner
until the hair follicles so weak
that it can't produce visible hair.
And we call it hair loss.
But it's really a cause and effect.
You know, it's it's a whole process
that can be very gradual or it can be very
aggressive my hair is better now than it was
when I was, you know, even in college.
But, if you are bald
and you’re rocking the shaved head, like,
more power to you because, like, it is,
you know, I
think the good thing about hair loss
is that it's,
you know, 90 plus percent of hair loss.
Is androgenetic? It's genetic.
You can actually. Absolutely.
And the best news for women is
it is so easy for women to stop and reverse
hair loss and thinning hair.
It's like because women
have a much lower level of testosterone,
and testosterone
gets converted to these hormones
that actually are other cause of the issue
with the hair follicle.
But it is so easy for women.
It's so easy for women to have the most like,
amazing results, reverse thinning hair
and have incredible results.
Especially what you're saying
about being proactive.
And I know a lot of the listeners are women
who,
especially if they're clicking on this episode,
which will say, like talking about hair loss,
talking about hair, if you're proactive,
you could put it into your morning routine
or your nighttime routine.
So can we also talk a little bit
about that as well?
So will you share with us your morning routine
and then where your hair care, proactive hair
care.
Sure, sure, sure is in the routine.
Or if it's at night or if it's in the morning
and at night or when you shower.
We would love to hear it
all. Yeah, like to hear.
Just like whatever you do
that is really authentic to you.
I really need to read your book.
The, time blocking, because I need a better
morning routine to to be better on schedule.
But I've been,
my basic morning routine is get up.
And I've been trying to really just get wake up
and get in the shower, get my day going.
But I'll wake up.
I'll do some type of meditation
or listening to something positive
for the first, like 15 to 20 minutes.
Like, that's the first thing I do.
I wake up, I, you know, find
I have a few favorite videos on YouTube
or things that I listen to,
but really trying to get the mind under control
and going into a positive direction
with some type of, you know, meditation
or positive affirmations and, things like that.
Then I try to get in the shower,
and the first thing I do, I mean, honestly,
the first thing that I do
when I get in the shower is my hair routine. So,
it's it's
one of the things that I do
is very counterintuitive
because when most people start experiencing
thinning hair or hair loss,
I think the first thing they do
is they think that they need to be delicate and
and careful with their hair,
not to be, you know, aggressive, not yeah.
Like, yeah.
Most people think that when you start
having thinning hair, you need to be careful.
And delicate.
Yeah.
You know there's but so many people listening
do not know this.
I'm very excited. Yeah.
So it's actually the complete opposite.
Like you actually want to be aggressive
and you, you want to, you know, exfoliate.
Just like what we do with our teeth. Right?
You go to the dentist, but you floss, you brush
your teeth, you're removing plaque.
Well, nobody's really telling us what to do
to do that for our scalp and our hair.
So everybody's focused on the hair.
But the hair is just a byproduct of the hair
follicle.
And in the scalp.
So the hair is actually dead fiber.
I mean, you know,
you want to do things to take care of your hair
with like, nice products, you know,
and you'll know more about that than I do.
I don't, you know, for me it's pretty easy.
But the health of the hair
follicle is it's something that,
like I said, it really
needs oxygen and vitamins and nutrients.
But what I do when I first get in the shower is
I really, like,
rinse out my hair with warm water.
And I warm water, not super hot, but warm
because the law of thermodynamics,
you know, anything that is,
it increases in temperature, expands.
So warmer water. Let. Yeah.
Really let my scalp kind of just rinse for,
like, a few minutes, with warm water.
And then I put in shampoo,
and I use these brushes that I created.
Yeah. It's crazy.
I spent, like,
two years designing these brushes that I worked
with a Boeing engineer from Pennsylvania.
So I was flying back and forth
from Ohio to Pennsylvania
to work with this Boeing engineer
to create these brushes.
Because I'm super OCD and I'm a perfectionist,
so they're way over engineered.
But basically what they do is they
so I put the
shampoo and then I really exfoliate my scalp
with these brushes.
So like I said, most people are worried
about damaging the hair when the hairs thinning.
But you actually really want to be aggressive in
a lot of people talk about scalp
massage and and blood flow that way.
And you know, there's a
there's a lot of, you know, there's definitely
a lot of different techniques for scalp massage.
But what I found to be the most effective
are these brushes.
And I really just vigorously brush the scalp.
I get hair going in one direction.
And for women that have longer hair,
what I found is sometimes it's
best to actually put in conditioner first
and then use the brushes,
because if you have really long hair, you know,
if you do it with shampoo for women, sometimes
the hair can be so long I can get knotted.
But, you know, there's a few different ways
you can do it.
You can put in conditioner and,
you know, get a pattern going through hair,
almost like you're slicking, you know, brushing
your hair back, but then really vigorously
brushing your scalp and that, like,
exfoliates dead skin dandruff, sebum.
And it also creates micro trauma to that area,
which then the body sends healing
mechanisms of blood flow and things like that.
So yeah.
So that's
so that's really the first thing that I do.
And then I kind of rinse that out.
I'll put in the shampoo that I use again,
and then I'll let that sit
for five minutes
while I do the rest of my shower stuff.
I brush my teeth in the shower.
I don't know, a lot of people don't do that.
Yeah, you're either either love it or hate it.
Yeah.
So I do that and then, yeah,
I get started for the day.
I try to get in some steps, get it?
I'm really working on what you really helped me
with and inspired me with my diet and nutrition
and really trying to get in some protein and,
drinking enough water in the morning.
So I've been working on my health with that
and then head off to the day, but
my main routine is in the evening for my hair
at least.
Is then.
Oh, yeah. I mean, it's super simple.
Quickly, with, brushes, I can't remember.
Can children use it too? Sure. Yeah.
Yeah.
Because some children have hair loss.
It's a blood flow circulation thing as well.
you know, and I want to be really clear,
like the vast majority, over 90% of hair
loss of thinning hair is androgenetic alopecia,
which is, you know, based on your hormones.
There's also, you know, autoimmune
and other types of hair loss.
It's like sudden and patchy.
And one it's called alopecia areata.
So there's there are definitely things that
you absolutely should see your doctor about.
You should see your doctor
about. You should. Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely. For every person. Yeah.
You should have your blood tested.
You should have your,
you know, hormones to checked.
You should talk to your doctor.
So, but what's interesting is,
you know, a lot of people can have,
you know, DHT is one of the big common,
you know,
adrogen hormones
that people talk about that cause hair loss,
but they don't talk about
why that causes hair loss.
And they don't explain that
that is binding to the hair follicle.
And it's restricting blood
supply to the hair follicle.
So even if you do, you go to the doctor
and your DHT levels are normal.
Your hair follicles can still be prone,
like two people can have the exact
same levels of DHT, and one can have severe hair
loss, and the other one might not be.
So it really can be an individual case.
But the good news is it's actually very easy
to block that process from happening.
Inhibiting DHT at the hair follicle.
And again, for women like,
I know you have a lot of women that watch.
And they lose their hair in a patch in the
back here.
Yeah, well, women, women.
So there's male pattern baldness, male pattern.
That's typically more of a pattern, like so.
Well, no,
they're both actually the exact same thing.
But women's genetic, you know, genetic hair
loss for women, androgenic alopecia for women
is it tends to actually be
they call it diffuse thinning.
So they typically don't have like a bald patch
in the back or receding hairline like men do.
Men typically have a they follow a pattern,
but women, they call it diffuse thinning.
So your hair just gets thinner
completely over. Yeah.
When people send me photos
to customer experience.
Yeah.
Looks like almost like at the part.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it's really the entire scalp is.
But it's really
just because the hair follicles are struggling
with not getting enough blood flow because.
And that is causing,
they're not getting the nutrients
and the vitamins
that they need to the hair follicle
and the hair follicle struggling.
So, so please for that topic with women
because like you said,
men can definitely be
okay and cute with a bald head.
But women it's a very sensitive topic.
It really is.
Yeah. It really is.
I mean I’ve seen on your website
the before and after photos or on Instagram
and it is very fascinating.
The whole like you said like the,
the women's hair is kind of all over
and then it's starting to come back.
Yeah it is, it is amazing.
I get asked a lot like you know,
can you reverse it?
And when I launched the company,
you could definitely stop it.
Like you know, full at full transparency.
I had a hair transplant
and but even then I had a hair transplant
thinking that was the final solution
because I use Minoxidil, I use Finasteride.
Then that didn't work.
Then I started using off label
prescription drugs
every everything you could possibly imagine.
And I kept losing my hair, had a hair transplant
because I was told that
that was the final solution and I was
that was a permanent solution.
And I kept losing that hair too.
So you can have a hair transplant.
And if you don't treat the cause the underlying
cause, you're going to continue having issues.
But when I launched the company,
you know, I, I try to
take into consideration people like myself.
I don't want to overpromise and under deliver,
but we've seen results that I didn't
even believe possible
when I started the company.
So we've seen in incredible results, like,
if you're completely bald and,
you know, you're,
an older gentleman that's, you know, in his 60s,
70s or 80s and you're completely bald,
I'm not going to tell you, you can regrow
a full head of hair, like technology is amazing.
And there's, you know, a few doctors that I see
that, do, you know,
massive hair transplants, like, you know, huge
and so there's always a solution.
So no matter,
no matter what your condition is or this
the place that you're in, there is always hope.
And, the technologies constantly
evolving and growing and getting better.
So, you can absolutely stop hair loss.
You can absolutely have,
you know, great results.
And if you do need a hair transplant to,
you know, that that's all available us.
So there's always hope.
But for women it is so easy. It's so, so easy.
Which again, I never anticipated,
you know, having women as clients
but like 40% of our, our customers are women.
So it's something that and they’ve
added it to their routine.
And at
night you're saying you're sharing with us
that you.
So at night.
Yeah. So at night.
Yeah.
So you know Minoxidil.
Minoxidil is a great you know ingredient.
So like a lot of women can have success
with just you know like
Minoxidil foam or the problem with Minoxidil
it's a vasodilator.
So you know,
I'm saying if blood flow or lack of blood
flow is a problem.
Minoxidil increases the diameter of the vessel,
so you get more blood flow
to the hair follicle.
So you would think that that would,
you know, solve the problem and be the,
you know, be the solution.
The issue with Minoxidil only
is that it's almost like if you have a kinked
garden hose trying to go over to the faucet
to turn up the pressure, but with,
without removing the kink.
So Minoxidil is helpful.
It can it can help with hair growth.
But it yeah, yeah.
It's still blocks so it's not treating
the actually underlying symptom.
So that's what Finasteride
and these DHT blockers do.
But for women you know which,
which is interesting.
You know, the women that are under 50,
they recommend not using Finasteride.
Or these DHT blockers.
But there's things that you can do
topically that inhibit DHT at the hair follicle.
Like it can have amazing results.
So that's so that's what I do at night.
At night I'm obsessive about my hair,
but I really, if I don't,
you know, if I don't shower again at night,
I'll use, you know, use my little roller.
I only use it like, once or twice a week.
It's already kind of grown back.
It's. Yeah. It's so. Yeah.
Now I'm just trying
to, like, maintenance and prevent it, but,
I still use a topical solution every night.
And it's super simple.
Takes like 30 seconds.
You put like little drops and like,
so we actually
so I, I don't want to put something in my head
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So we actually just came out with
and I haven't even launched yet, so
but I've been using it for like six months.
I have a sprayer to where I put all the topical.
Yeah, I put it on the top of the liquid solution
and I just,
you can put it on the scalp
and I just spray it takes like 30 seconds.
So that's
really the only thing that I do at night,
is, is the topical solution.
You know, I'll either roll,
but I use a topical solution every night.
I have very aggressive.
Like I'm very prone to hair loss.
Like, if I didn't use this, I would really.
So I have to really stay on top of it.
But, so again,
it depends on like the severity of the case.
But for women, you know,
they don't even need to do that every night.
Like women can just do it.
You know, I know women don't shampoo or shower
every day, or I know they shower every day.
But as far as shampooing, sometimes, you know,
women don't want to wash their hair every day.
They shouldn't be afraid of washing their hair
every day, actually,
because there are multiple studies
that show actually
washing your hair and exfoliating
your scalp are better for the hair.
So there's another it's another myth.
Yeah.
There's another myth that, like,
if you only shampoo or wash your hair
once a week or every two weeks,
that yeah, you're going to have better hair.
It's it's a total myth. You're actually.
So you shouldn't be afraid of washing your hair
every day.
I wash my hair every other day. Beautiful.
That was only since I had the twins
prior to the twins.
I wash my hair every single day, and I did.
I do feel like.
Yeah, you have beautiful hair.
And I feel like that was a good thing.
Yeah. Yeah. Consciously. Unconsciously.
Yeah.
Like like you said like washing.
Shampooing. Yeah.
And you don't have to just kind of like.
Yeah.
So like if people go in seven days
not washing their hair
because this is a great tip for people listening
like simple
like where to start.
Is like I said, if you are losing your hair and
you're a woman they're afraid oh my goodness.
If I take a shower I'll just wash my hair
once a week or twice a week first.
Good step.
Baby step is let's you said like get more water
and let's exfoliate.
Let's use your brushes.
Yeah for sure.
And I think the first thing is just realizing
that there is absolutely hope and a solution in.
Yeah, like that was the biggest thing for me.
I tried so many things that they didn't work
and they I kept failing it.
You know, failure after failure after failure,
I got to the place where I really just
lost complete hope that it was even possible
to have, you know, results.
And I thought I was gonna have to live
with this forever.
Now, at a young age,
it was, like, super depressing.
So the first thing is, no matter what
your condition,
you know, if if your hair matters to you,
if it's something that is,
you know, bothering you,
that there are absolutely solutions to it.
And even one ingredient that I feel like.
So the issue is that
in 1989, you know, I don't know what can I go
deep in the science a little bit?
Anyone listening to
this wants to hear about hair.
Okay.
So here's here's the big issue.
In 1989, the FDA issued a
they call it a final action rule that they say
if you say hair loss treats
hair loss grows hair. And you know this, right,
because of all the claims and things like that
on all the products.
So if you say grows hair treats,
hair loss regrows your hair.
The FDA in 1989 issued a rule
saying you have to go through
FDA approval, for a new drug application.
The problem with that is that cost billions
of dollars, 2.5 to $3 billion down on average.
Well, the hair loss industry is a multi, multi,
multibillion dollar industry.
So big pharmaceutical companies
or any company that had you know of money
or could raise that amount of money,
would happily go through FDA
approval for the new drug application
if they had the cure to hair loss.
The issue with that is they would need
to get a patent to protect their IP.
So somebody couldn't just rip them off and copy
and not,
you know, that they're going to spend $3 billion
and somebody else can just make
the same product, like don't do the investment.
Well, the issue is you can't get a patent on
anything that's natural, anything that's already
been proven effective or a prescription
or combination of those things.
So there's this huge because there are so many
effective things that are actually available,
proven, effective, studied, proven
effective in different universities.
And that's how I started
learning about these things.
I just became obsessed.
And I was researching like, patents.
I was like,
you know, reading
all these NCBI and PubMed studies
and these universities that were publishing
these this data about these different
ingredients.
I'm like,
why the heck aren't these available to me?
And so that's sent me on this wild goose chase.
And, you know, we're actually launching,
like a pharmacy, a company pharmacy to be able
to make these things available to everybody.
I mean, but it's been a huge challenge,
like, it's been insane, but the things
that you have to do to make these things
available to the public, for us, it's been.
I mean, it's insane.
You had to we had to start a pharmacy license
in every, you know, we're licensed in 46 states
now, but it's it's been a multi-year process,
several million dollars.
But, you know, this has been the challenge.
Because an ingredient like Tretinoin.
Are you familiar with Tretinoin
or Retinoic Acid?
So Retinol.
I'm, I'm sure you've heard read them. Okay.
So so Tretinoin is a is a Retinol.
It's in that family.
But it's it's proven
to have just amazing results on for hair growth.
Like, and for women.
There's a study I'm
trying to remember the exact number,
but it was like 80% of women that use this
so had positive regrowth, hair regrowth,
not just stopping hair loss actually regrow.
So we use I use that in my topical formula.
And it's something that it's so common.
It's super cheap. It's available.
But most people don't know about it
but they don't know about it
because people can't market or talk about it
because they can't sell it for hair loss,
because it's not FDA approved for hair loss.
It's use off label.
But no, it will never be able to be sold
and marketed for that
unless you do what we're doing, going through
a, you know, a compounding pharmacy.
But so really that's that's been my, my goal.
And I'm super grateful
to have to be on the podcast because
I feel like my biggest challenge
is just educating and like sharing my experience
and my story, and I really need to do a lot
better job about it and creating more content.
And I'm going to be doing that next year.
But, so yeah,
there's there's a lot of things you can do,
that are actually really,
really easy and, and super effective.
But the issue is just most
people don't know about these things.
So yeah, so that's where we are.
So before we go,
what would you say is anything else
you want to say on the topic of like,
hair loss, regrowth?
Anything else you want anyone to know?
Just overall thinking of how many years
have you been doing this?
Yeah, I think
I think the only thing I'd really want them
to know is you're not alone.
And like, it's a super common thing.
And that.
We think that if we, you know,
we're going through these problems and,
you know, it can be other things too, right?
Like your weight or your, you know, like, well,
we're going to finish I was going to say
a lot of moms listening to this podcast
have teenagers who have acne.
And it really affects them like teenagers
with acne want are sometimes suicidal.
They don’t want to go out like.
So continue like this is like kind of the theme
that.
Yeah.
You're not alone. And.
Yeah.
So I think the big thing that I realized through
this journey is and they say
that entrepreneurship is one of the greatest,
you know, personal development journeys.
And what I've realized is you can fully restore
your hair and we can do that.
And there's people that can help do that.
But you're not alone,
and there's nothing wrong with you.
Like, it's still about
you can there's there's
always going to be something that we're
we don't think we're good enough or that there's
something about this or that, and,
that it really is about loving yourself
exactly the way that you are
and accepting yourself the way that you are now.
Because yes, you can regrow your hair.
I'm super.
You know, thankful.
And I like my hair.
But, I think the most important thing
and I think that you've done
such a great job with that,
and I see your friends and your family and,
and your your personal journey,
I think, you know,
accepting ourself, loving ourself, really
working on loving ourself the way that we are.
No matter
what is the most important thing. Yeah.
So at MaryRuth Organics,
we have a saying about, it started last summer
at the all company retreat, but we were saying
that mental health is health and wellness.
Something I know about you
from being your friend.
And it's interesting to listen to John
on the podcast is it really starts in the mind.
And you even started that when we first started
speaking on the podcast today.
And you kind of close with the same thing,
which is mental health is health and wellness.
What do you think in your mind is like the great
a great first step?
People are not alone.
And I think also patients
like you also went through a journey.
And building the company
and helping people
and being to service of people.
Okay.
We're going to learn
about all these ingredients. Yeah.
What kind of delivery format I can give it to.
How can I make it accessible.
Will it work. In what scenarios will it work.
That’s why you know so much about the FDA,
the different ingredients.
But you were just saying about like,
the compounding pharmacy,
the way you can deliver it to people.
So I think patience is at the heart,
like you said, like acceptance of yourself.
You’re not alone. Patience is a big thing.
Like whatever physical ailment I will say.
Like, one the Firesides, leave
no stone left unturned.
Keep looking, keep trying to find something
that's going to help whatever physical ailment
you have.
Yeah, you that's actually a really good point.
So consistency.
You know I tell people
you have to be consistent for 90 days before
you can start really expecting to see results.
And the reason why.
So the company is called Adegen.
But that name was inspired
from the antigen antigen
which is the growth phase of the hair cycle.
But the early part
of the antigen growth
phase is on average 90 to 100 days.
So it takes a little bit of time
and you have to be consistent.
A lot of people see results
within a month or two months.
But I say you really got to be consistent
for 90 days and you will see results.
And the other thing
I think that people are worried about is,
you know, that shedding like you've if you're,
you know, you've heard about Minoxidil
or if you use a Minoxidil topical
or like if you're using Rogaine
or something like that, or if you start Rogaine,
they talk about shedding,
but shedding is actually a good it's
actually a positive sign
because it means that the hair follicle
just went into a new growth cycle,
and it just released the old hair,
and it's starting a new a new thing because hair
loss is actually not when you lose hair.
So people think when they see their hair
coming out that they're losing.
That's hair loss.
That's actually not hair loss.
We all shed on average 100 hairs a day.
So just like every cell in your body.
Yeah,
every every cell in your body's replicating.
And they say on average every seven years,
every cell in your body is a different cell. So,
you know, when you
look at hair falling out or shedding hair,
that's actually not hair loss.
Hair loss is caused when the hair
that's replacing that hair is thinner
and it gets thinner and thinner and thinner
until you have hair loss.
Yeah.
So it's really about hair
health is being able to look at the,
the diameter and the thickness of the hair.
And a healthy hair
follicle produces thick, healthy hair.
So it's really
if you focus on the health of the hair follicle,
that the hair really takes care of itself.
But yeah, consistency for 90 days is important.
And also not freaking out about what you see
if you, you know, if you see some shedding
or if you see hair coming out, that's really
not the that's really not the problem.
The problem is when that hair gets thinner
and thinner and thinner
in the hair follicle, exactly, the thickness.
Yeah.
The health is related to the thickness
of the hair coming out of the hair follicle.
And what you said about the growth cycle
19 to 100 days.
And I think that sentiment
is like the perfect way
to wrap up our podcast, because
I always talk about how people can reverse
engineer
their morning and nighttime routine
to things that even bother them.
Right? So,
a problem,
a challenge that they have in their life
throughout every year of your life
or a season of your life,
your morning and nighttime routines can change.
My morning routine.
When I didn't have children.
It's very different than what it is now.
And same thing.
Let's say you're listening to this podcast
and you haven't done anything for your hair,
and it's been bothering you for a while.
So you can create a morning routine,
nighttime routine, reverse engineer
the problem, and then, like you said,
be proactive, create maintenance.
But it works across the board for anything.
So if you're listening I know
it wasn't about hair and it was about acne or
you said a few other things, whatever ailments,
whatever situation can even be something
where you want to find a job.
Okay, so let's build a morning and nighttime
routine on LinkedIn.
And what are you going to do
and how's it going to be?
I think that's the main thing.
Why I love morning and nighttime routines
is they always change
and we want to reverse engineer them.
It's so cool what you're doing.
Because you have so much value to offer.
Like, you have gone through so much,
you've learned so much, and I am so again, I'm
so inspired by you and and the work that you do
and you have so much to offer.
So I like thank you for doing this podcast.
Thank you for creating this podcast
and creating all the content you do.
And whoever listens to this woman is
very fortunate because she is so knowledgeable.
And, it's hard to know who to trust.
And like, this is somebody that you can really,
really trust because she is
as good as they come.
So yeah. Thank you for coming, John.
Thank you for having me.