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Seth Holehouse is a TV personality, YouTuber, podcaster, and patriot who became a household name in 2020 after his video exposing election fraud was tweeted, shared, uploaded, and pinned by President Donald Trump — reaching hundreds of millions worldwide.
Titled The Plot to Steal America, the video was created with a mission to warn Americans about the communist threat to our nation—a mission that’s been at the forefront of Seth’s life for nearly two decades.
After 10 years behind the scenes at The Epoch Times, launching his own show was the logical next step. Since its debut, Seth’s show “Man in America” has garnered 1M+ viewers on a monthly basis as his commitment to bring hope to patriots and to fight communism and socialism grows daily. His guests have included Peter Navarro, Kash Patel, Senator Wendy Rogers, General Michael Flynn, and General Robert Spalding.
He is also a regular speaker at the “ReAwaken America Tour” alongside Eric Trump, Mike Lindell, Gen. Flynn.
Welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. So the talk of the town is that these new data centers that, you know, Larry Ellison, you probably saw the press conference with Trump coming out, with the SoftBank CEO, you know, putting, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars in with Sam Altman from OpenAI to, you know, Larry Ellison from Oracle talking about these massive, massive data centers, which I've got all kinds of problems with, especially as it relates to surveillance. But Larry Ellison coming out so excited to talk to us about this new technology, how they're gonna be using AI to analyze our blood and develop real time mRNA vaccines within forty eight hours to basically shoot ourselves up with these vaccines to get rid of the cancer in our blood and prevent us from having cancer. But if my memory serves me well, the last time they introduced mRNA vaccines to the global population, we saw a massive uptick in cancer.
Seth Holehouse:And not just cancer, blood clots, myocarditis, strokes, pulmonary embolisms, all kinds of things that were happening as a result platform, and so it's very, very concerning to me. I'm sure to you as well. And, of course, to my guest today. So my guest today is Tom Haviland, who is a, you know, ex military retired air force. I think he's a a colonel.
Seth Holehouse:I I forget his his his specific, kind of, rank that he achieved there, but he's fundamentally, he's a data scientist. And after he saw the Died Suddenly film, he took it on himself to put together global surveys to understand what are the embalmers seeing. And so around the time when you had the massive uptake in the COVID vaccines and boosters, you, of course, saw this huge spike in the, blood clots showing up with the embalmers. And that and then you saw that the following year dropped down a little bit, but then what you saw in this last year is that it spiked back up again. And so the trend is still there, and what concerns me with the news cycle, especially with platforms like Twitter, they constantly the news cycle changes almost every five minutes, something new is happening.
Seth Holehouse:It concerns me if we forget about the fundamental big picture things that we need to be focused on. And one of those is the fact that people are still dying and still dropping dead left and right. Even within my own family, we've had some deaths recently of people that had, you know, four or five boosters, and they just they they literally just dropped dead. Could be a heart attack. Could have been stroke.
Seth Holehouse:So these are still very real problems that I I really hope we can continue having a a dialogue about. That's one of the big purposes of this show. For those of you that are watching their new welcome to man in America. But it it's really important for me to be able to have guests that I'm not censoring. And I'm I'm, you know, finding people that would never have an opportunity to go on to Fox News and talk to Sean Hannity or Anderson Cooper on CNN about these topics because we have to get the real important information out.
Seth Holehouse:And so one of those is just the one piece of information is what's happening with these blood clots. And so, actually, my guest today, Tom, has put together globe global surveys talking to and collecting data from embalmers around the world and looking at what's happening with the blood clots, and he's seeing, unfortunately, some very alarming trends. So I will give you a quick kind of viewer discretion advised type warning is that I'm not showing any, like, you know, sickening videos that will make you, you know, get rid of your lunch, but we are gonna take a look at some of the pictures of different blood blood clots and things being pulled out of people. So if you're a little bit squeamish, I do give a warning again in this show before we show these things, but just wanna make you aware that there is gonna be some gross stuff that we're showing. So, again, don't don't watch this while you're having a bowl of spaghetti.
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Seth Holehouse:Act now. Call (626) 654-1906, or visit goldwithSeth.com to get your free gold and silver investment guide. Again, that's six two six six five four one nine zero six or gold with Seth dot com. Mister Tom Haviland, it's great to have you on the show. Thank you very much for being here with us today.
Speaker 2:Well, thanks, Seth, for having me on to talk about this very serious issue of, blood clots, unusual blood clots in people.
Seth Holehouse:Absolutely. And I'll I'll I'll put forth the warning right now is that oh, is it viewer discretion advised? Right? So we're gonna be showing some pictures of blood clots. I won't show any videos.
Seth Holehouse:The videos, you know, are extra squeamish. I've seen a lot of them, but we'll be looking at some pictures of blood clots and, you know, embolisms and things that have been pulled out of living and, deceased people. So just kinda putting that out there. But before we jump into that, so, Tom, why don't you give us a little bit of your your background and, how you became the center of what I think is probably one of the the most comprehensive global surveys of blood clots and and and what we're still seeing. So I'll just I'll hand the hand the microphone to you now.
Speaker 2:Sure. My name is Tom Haviland. I live in Dayton, Ohio. I'm a retired US Air Force major. I was an electrical engineer and data analyst for thirty six years in total.
Speaker 2:I spent twenty years in the Air Force retired as a major, then spent sixteen years as a defense contractor working with the Air Force. And in my retired years, I watched that film died suddenly when it came out in the week of Thanksgiving in 2022. And it was an interesting movie. It's about an hour long documentary. People can still find it on Rumble.
Speaker 2:And about half that movie, Seth, is devoted to these six or seven embalmers that said they were finding these unusual blood clots they had never seen before in their corpses. So I thought that was very fascinating, and especially at the thirteen minute and fifteen second mark, an amazing statement was made. An embalmer from the state of Indiana, Mr. Wallace Hooker, was lecturing at an Ohio Embalmers Association Conference in Columbus, Ohio on the October 26 in 2022. And he was lecturing to a room of about 100 embalmers.
Speaker 2:And he showed him photographs of these unusual white fibrous clots that he had been pulling out of his corpses for about the last year at that time. And he said, by a show of hands, how many of you are seeing these same unusual white fibrous clots? And he says in the movie, almost all 100 of the embalmers raised their hands, yes. He then asked him, when did you start seeing these white fibrous clots? And he all agreed it was in the middle of twenty twenty one, about six months after the COVID vaccines rolled out.
Speaker 2:So I thought that was an amazing statement, right? Either those embalmers raised their hands or they didn't. So I got up the next morning, Tuesday of the week of Thanksgiving of twenty twenty two. And I called the Ohio Embalmers Association myself. They're located in Cincinnati, Ohio.
Speaker 2:I talked to their President, Mr. Dan Becker, their Vice President, Mr. Woody Wilson, and their Secretary, Mr. David Hicks. They asked all three gentlemen, hey, did you happen to be in the room at the time that those 100 Embalmers supposedly raised their hands?
Speaker 2:Well, none of the three of them were in the room at the time, Seth. However, Mr. Woody Wilson, the vice president who runs his own funeral home at Marysville, Ohio about an hour north of where I live in Dayton, and he does his own embalming. Woody said to me, Tom, I'm seeing the white fibrous clots too. I said, wow, now I have an official officer, The vice president of the Ohio Embalmers Association.
Speaker 2:By the way, Woody is now the president of the Ohio Embalmers Association, saying that he's seen these clots. He's corroborating these six or seven embalmers in this died suddenly movie. So Right there and then I decided I needed to do a nationwide survey, which I then later on turned into a worldwide survey by including Canada, The UK, and Australia, New Zealand to see just how prevalent these white fibers clots were. So that's what led me to the creation of my three worldwide embalmer blood clot surveys.
Seth Holehouse:Incredible. Well, just a quick side note. So I I grew up in in Marysville area. Like, I I'm I'm a native Ohioan and and grew up in a little town called Plain City. So, you know, Delaware, you know, kinda Marysville.
Speaker 2:My mom and dad lived lived in Plain City. They both passed away, but we used to eat a lot at the Deer Dutchman. They live right
Seth Holehouse:there in morning. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I grew up going there. Absolutely.
Seth Holehouse:So okay. So you basically, you saw this documentary and and and something about it, even though you're not a doctor, you're you're a numbers guy. You're a data analyst, and something about this struck a chord with you. And the fact that I mean, were were the embalmers that you had spoken to, were they seeing these before? Like, was this something that, you know, they had they've always had this stuff, and all of sudden, they're it's it's kinda doubled or tripled, or was it like, they've never seen this, and all of a sudden, they're now finding these you know, actually and we'll pull up some pictures, actually, just to so we kinda set the stage for what we're talking about.
Seth Holehouse:This is a Yeah. So this is a Laura Kasner, you know, SubSAC. I know you work closely with Laura here, and this is one of her recent articles talking about some of these clots that are coming out of people. And I think that a lot of folks have seen died suddenly. There's some small ones next to a razor.
Seth Holehouse:There's a video which we won't play, but, I mean, these are like, I I would imagine if you're an embalmer and you're used to doing this stuff and you're used to seeing these bodies that you'd come across this and think, what the heck is going on? Because
Speaker 2:Yeah. So The the embalmers these embalmers have twenty or thirty years of experience on most of them, and they've never seen this phenomenon before the years of COVID or the vaccines. Embalmers in the past prior to 2020 would only see two main types of clots, what's called grape jelly clots. They look like just dark grape jelly.
Seth Holehouse:Congealed blood almost, right?
Speaker 2:Yeah, congealed blood. They dissolve easily in your hands. They've also found something in the past called chicken fat clots. And they're yellowish in color. They're much smaller and they tear very easily.
Speaker 2:They're much different than these large white fibrous clots. They are very tough and rubbery and very difficult to break. And some of them can be as long as like 20 inches long.
Seth Holehouse:Gosh. So these right here, it says were pulled out of a living person's lungs.
Speaker 2:Right. That's yeah. That's in several of my surveys, we asked where the clots tend to be forming the most. Deep vein thrombosis is in the leg seem to be the number one answer, but pulmonary embolisms, clots in the lungs, it seems to be the number two location. So, also they've been found in the brain, the heart.
Speaker 2:One of the unusual things about these white fibers clot Seth, is they're found on both the venous side and the arterial side. Involvers in the past very rarely found the traditional grape jelly clots or the chicken fat clots on the arterial side. But with these white fibers clots, they're appearing on both sides of the vascular system. And you can't find these white fibers clots in any pat old pathology books prior to 2020. So further proof this is a brand new phenomenon that the embalmers have never seen before.
Seth Holehouse:And and, a lot of the doctors you've spoke doctors or embalmers you've spoken to, have they determined, you know, what are these clots made of? Like, what, like, what what are they? Because they're typically a blood clot.
Speaker 2:It's like I've
Seth Holehouse:seen you know?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Those are questions that we did not ask the embalmers because embalmers are not scientists. They're not. They can tell you what they're seeing, when they saw it and how much they're seeing. They're not really medically qualified to tell you how or why the clots are forming.
Speaker 2:Now, having said that, Richard Hirschman, who I'm in close contact with, he was one of the main, involveers in that movie died suddenly. And I maintain, communications with Richard. And he's been sending samples of the class and he's got plenty of samples. He's been sending samples to scientists all over the world that are examining the class to see what they're made of. And basically, they've determined that they are a combination of fibrinogen.
Speaker 2:Fibrinogen is a natural protein that we produce in our body. So liver makes it and it's important in the natural clotting process. Fibrinogen is actually in a liquid state in our plasma in our blood. But then whenever there's damage done to the endothelial lining, the innermost layer walls of our veins and arteries, then that triggers the clotting response and it triggers the conversion of that soluble liquid fibrinogen into a solid called fibrin and it's white in color. What we think is happening though, is that the spike protein, whether it's coming from the virus itself or from the production made by the modified RNA from the vaccine, that spike protein is actually doing damage to that endothelial lining.
Speaker 2:It's also then combining with our fibrinogen as well as the lipid nanoparticle from the vaccine to form a bizarre polymer. So instead of fibrinogen properly converting into fibrin, instead it's converting into this bizarre polymer of fibrinogen with the spike protein with the lipid nanoparticle to form these tough rubbery, white fibrous clots.
Seth Holehouse:So okay. Interesting.
Speaker 2:And so situation.
Seth Holehouse:No. Well, and obviously, was a lot of people that I've spoken to are monitoring. Obviously, during the the height of the COVID scare, a lot of people were rushing off to get the vaccines and, or the injections. Right? Because I they're not really heaving vaccines by the the definition.
Seth Holehouse:And so we you know, there was this big kind of push, you know, when diet suddenly came out around that time. It was this new thing everyone was talking about, and I think that the overall like, what we saw is with the data that the people that were getting the vaccines and then and getting the boosters was it was a very sharp drop off. And so you you would think that, okay. Maybe these things are being caused within six months of getting the jabs, and so you'd expect that, you know, by now that, you know, we'd probably be seeing a lot less of these. But what's you know, you're you're constantly staying on top of the data and analyzing it with these surveys.
Seth Holehouse:So what are you seeing? Is this something that's still quite common? Is it like, what are what are what are the the numbers behind this?
Speaker 2:Yeah. Unfort you're right. We we were hoping if in fact, when we did our first survey back at the end of twenty twenty two, the embalmers were seeing the white fibers clots in an average of 30 of their corpses. So this is not a rare phenomenon. These things are prevalent.
Speaker 2:Now, last year when we did the survey at the end of twenty twenty three, then that percentage went down to twenty percent. So that was going in the right direction. So I was happy to see that, that they were. And that makes sense because like you say, most people passed on the boosters in 2022 and 2023. So most people took their last jab way back in 2021.
Speaker 2:However, this year when we ran the survey again just about a month ago to see what the emboliers are seeing through the end of twenty twenty four, the percentage of white fibers clots in the corpses went back up to twenty seven percent. And that kind of startled me because I was hoping it would be a further reduction down to like the ten percent area. So it's telling me that these white fibrous clots, it may take anywhere from maybe six months to maybe three, maybe even four years for them to grow right to the point where they actually occlude a blood vessel block a vein or artery and then cause a stroke or heart attack. So obviously, when I got the results of this year's survey, one of the first things I do, in fact, I do it every year. As soon as I get the results, I send those to the FDA, CDC and NIH and say, hey, Houston, I think we have a problem here.
Speaker 2:This data is showing a problem. You need to go out and do some more research because there seems to be a strong link between the COVID vaccines appearing and then these white fibers clots appearing. So, unfortunately, I have not, in any of the times that I've sent them information, heard back from them, Seth, which is just tragic.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. It is. Well, it's also I mean, it's you know, you you hear about these kinds of phenomenon, and you think, okay. Well, maybe it's happening. And, you know, for a lot of folks, they might say, well, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Well, you know, I'm not really seeing it, but I'm I'm seeing the data. But I can say just within my own personal circle of of family, you know, and I'm talking more immediate family, like, you know, you know, not not talking like my my my fifth cousin or something, but just, you know, immediate family. I've had one uncle that was, you know, that that is still alive, but he's very healthy in his fifties, marathon runner, has had multiple heart attacks and clots, right, since, you know, being he he didn't he wasn't forced to get the shots, but if he wanted to keep his job, he had to because he worked in, you know, big company that does a lot of government contracts. So there's that. I had another family the two other family members that had passed away from just sudden death, you know, and these are people that were probably in their sixties, men, you know, one of them, you know, has had a massive cancer that started developing and was doing cancer treatment, and then he's found him outside.
Seth Holehouse:He went out he went out to get some wood from the woodpile. They found him outside, and they didn't do an autopsy on him, but, you know, to me, it's think he he he was someone that really bought into the, you know, kind of the ideology, and he was on his fourth or fifth booster. Another family member, you know, probably two years ago, you know, overall pretty healthy guy. He was probably in his early sixties. They just found him laying face first in the snow over winter.
Seth Holehouse:Oh. And then oh, I mean, and just and and there's probably two or three other cases that are still in the immediate family. And so even if I look at well, what's also interesting, though, is that within my family, it's been almost exclusively the men. And I'm not sure if if there's any kind of trend or analysis on this, but just within my own, you know, family and look at this, all the people that I've seen have these experiences have all been men. So, you know, grandpa, cousin, you know, aunt or uncles, etcetera.
Seth Holehouse:But so eve even again within just a circle of people that I've that I'm witnessing, it's been an overwhelming number of people. It's not like you had that one uncle that was a heavy smoker and drinker, and it's like, okay. Well, you know, there's lots of complications. I mean, it's across people that from, you know, people that were, you know, smokers and may not so healthy, but, you know, to the the marathon runner that, you know, eats, you know, really healthy and and, you know, takes care of himself. So it's it's a real phenomenon.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, this is it's not something that is just some conspiracy.
Speaker 2:Yeah. Yeah. You but it's insidious in a way. You know, here in in America, we've had about ten percent excess mortality for the last four years. What's unusual about that is there's been about ten percent plus excess mortality in highly vaccinated, COVID vaccinated countries the last four years.
Speaker 2:Strangely, countries like in Africa that have very little uptake of the vaccine haven't had any problems with excess mortality the last four years. But when I say that people say, Well, I'm not seeing that. Well, what the problem is, Seth, it's subtle at the individual level. Here in The United States, you were a country about three hundred million people, and about three million of us died every year before the pandemic came around. So an increase of ten percent in excess mortality would be ten percent of three million or three hundred thousand extra people dying each year.
Speaker 2:That's what's been happening the last four years in The United States. Well, people say, well, I'm not seeing it. That's because at the individual level, 10% means instead of seeing ten people die this year, you see eleven people die. That's ten percent excess part time. Are you really going to notice eleven people dying this year versus ten last year?
Speaker 2:Probably not. You know, it's too subtle. But when you aggregate it up to large populations, you get 300,000 extra Americans dying every year from this. So I and most people probably can relate to the story you just said about your own family. So I bet a lot of your viewers know people within their own family or circle of friends.
Speaker 2:They're having strangely having blood clotting issues as well.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah. It's it's it's it's unfortunately very prevalent, and I so I I interviewed as a guy named Harry Fisher who's, an EMT. I think they might have been fired because he was just too outspoken. I'm not sure if if you're familiar with him, but in the discussion that I had with him, he you know, he's, like, he's, you know, corroborating this data, like, to, like, the tenth, you know, the the you know, times 10. He's saying he's seeing this stuff nonstop, but what he's also saying that is that there he's seeing a rapid increase in strokes in children.
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, he was saying, look. Like, I this is something that we we never saw before. Like, you know, you you would never get a get a call. You know, one particular example, he was explaining that he he got got a call and is a I think it was a 12 year old boy that's on a soccer field out playing soccer, and this kid just falls over, and he had a stroke. And, you know, and, obviously, as an EMT, he's able to to quickly recognize, like, what happened to somebody.
Seth Holehouse:Okay. Was it a heart attack or was it a stroke? But he's saying it was one of the saddest things ever seeing this 12 year old kid with half of his body kind of not working. You know, what what will happen? What happened?
Seth Holehouse:And, you know, and his parents, you know, I I asked him. I said, you know, Harry, you know, when you see this happen to these children, do the parents recognize? Do they understand? And and he says, you know, the parents will rarely admit and say this is because of that, but, you know, what he always does, right, you know, as as part of his process, he will as a normal thing, like, okay, if a 12 year old has a stroke, you will ask the parent, has this child had any, you know, medications? Is he on any medications?
Seth Holehouse:Has he had any recent you know, and and very, very often, it's like the parent will say, yeah. He had the COVID vaccine about three weeks ago or and and and and but he says even the parent won't necessarily admit it, he says he always sees it in the eyes that the parent that they it clicks for them, and they said, yeah. He had the vaccine, and and it just it clicks for them. And I I can't look. I'm a father.
Seth Holehouse:I've got a four year old and a one year old little you know, two little girls, and I can't imagine I can't imagine the feeling that a parent would go through. I mean, you know, whether it's it's an accident, whether, you know, the kid gets kind of, you know, like, as as a bad bicycle accident or whatever it is, but to think that it was actually me that took this child to the doctor, and got them this, and then three weeks later, this kid's having a stroke. I I can't imagine just the the the the the soul torture that would be going on in that scenario.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of that happening. It reminds me of the story of Maddie DeGary. She's that young girl that was severely harmed in the Pfizer trials. Her mother and father, they thought they were doing a service for humanity. We'll enter our daughter in Pfizer trials because we're so confident that vaccines work, They're not anti vaxxers, they were pro vaccine.
Speaker 2:And then their daughter got severely injured by the vaccine and she was treated so horribly. They pretended like she knew they kind of took her out of the study so they didn't have to report the fact that she had such severe reactions to it. But like you say, you wonder what's going through that parent's head in terms of the psychological damage because, oh my goodness, I'm the one that encouraged my child to do this. So yeah, it's not a good situation. And there's a lot of psychological damage going on and a lot of cover up going on too, Seth.
Speaker 2:One of the things we did in this year's survey is we tailor a lot of the questions to this year's survey for the 2024 to try to get into a little insight into the embalmers and their attitudes toward not just the vaccine, but why there seems to be this tremendous reluctance to want to talk about it publicly. Several of the questions, one of the questions we ask, for example, is we ask the embalmers, do you talk to other embalmers about this? And of the three zero one embalmers that we asked, 185 of them says, I do talk to other embalmers about this. And when I do talk to them, they say that they are seeing the white fibrous clots too. Only about 50 of the embalmers said that they other embalmers they talked to say they've not seen the clot.
Speaker 2:So, a much smaller number. There were also 66 embalmers that said that they don't even talk about a period with other embalmers, almost like they're afraid to talk about it. Or maybe they've been given instructions by their funeral directors not to talk about this. So, the long and the short of that question was, is that the most of the embalmers are talking to each other privately and acknowledging, yes, I'm seeing these white fibers class too, they're not willing to speak out about it publicly. Only a few embalmers like Richard Hirschman, Mr.
Speaker 2:John O'Looney in The UK, and a few others in that Died suddenly film have actually come out publicly to say that they're seeing this. And we think that the same kind of cover up is going on in the medical system as well. And doctors are working these catheterization labs that remove clots from the living. The embalmers and I were convinced that the clots were happening in the living as well. They're picking up bodies are only an hour or two old, Seth.
Speaker 2:They're finding them riddled the clots. They say there's no way that those horrific clots that you showed earlier conform in just the hour or two since the person passed. And then on top of that, I have found a cath lab whistleblower. He's a doctor, he's a cardiologist and endovascular specialist from Jacksonville, Florida, who's been admitted to me that he's been removing these same white fibrous clots from living people for the last three or four years. Then Doctor.
Speaker 2:Phil McMillan, a doctor in The UK who runs a YouTube channel called Vejan Health, V E J O N. He's also found his own separate cath lab whistleblower that also has been removing anywhere between three to 10 of these white fibrous clots out of people per week in his one cath lab alone. And unlike the embalmers, these doctors do have access to the COVID vaccination records of all their patients. And he says, whenever he finds these white fibers clots, ninety nine percent of the time the person has been jabbed with anywhere between one to eight COVID jabs. And the more jabs they've taken, the worse the clotting seems to be.
Seth Holehouse:My goodness.
Speaker 2:But they were afraid to come out publicly and talk about it. I actually tried to run a survey, a cath lab worker survey similar to the ones I did, three that I did for the embalmers. And I devised questions again saying, what are you seeing? When did you see it? How much are you seeing in terms of this clotting?
Speaker 2:And I also sprinkled in some questions too about, do you have the COVID vaccination records of your patients? Which I know they do already, I wanted to see if there was a correlation there. And I sent that to the societies for vascular surgery around the world in different countries, The United States, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand. None of them responded to me except for one. And that was the US Society for Vascular Surgery.
Speaker 2:And they're located in Rosemont, Illinois, and they have over 6,300 members. And they responded by saying, we're declining to take your survey. So it's like, there's a silence about this. I can't get the information from doctors about this. And I think they're actually violating their own code of ethics and mission statements, Seth, because most of these state embalmer associations of state funeral director associations, societies for vascular surgery, they have mission statements that say that they're supposed to investigate any and do research anything affecting their particular field.
Speaker 2:And I think by not doing this, by not doing their taking my survey or doing their own survey of their own doctors or embalmers to find out what's going on is a dereliction of duty. And it's unethical. Because the problem is that if embalmers, funeral directors, cardiologists, endovascular specialists, vascular surgeons, they're the only people to see what's going on inside people's veins and arteries. So if they don't tell us, we don't know.
Seth Holehouse:And that's that that's the the crazy part about this because as much as they talk about trust the science, trust the science, well, science is all about collecting data, analyzing data, drawing conclusions, having hypothesis making hypothesis of why the data is happening and improving it through tests and, you know, and surveys. And so if this information's not being, you know, centralized, it's not going into studies, it's not being looked at, and everyone's brushing it under the rug. That's that's it's very, very concerning.
Speaker 2:I had a really unusual case this year in the embalmer survey that I did at the end of twenty twenty three. '1 of my in fact, my very best performer was the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association.
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Speaker 2:They forwarded my survey to their embalmers in the state of Pennsylvania. And within two days, Seth, I got a 25 responses from involvements across the state of Pennsylvania. In just two days when I did that survey. Year, they declined to take the survey. Really bizarre behavior.
Speaker 2:Let me read to you a email that was sent to me by the President of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association. This is dated the November 20. He says, Hey, Tom, I'll see what I can do. And he's talking about trying to get his board of directors to forward the survey just like they did last year to their embalmers so they could take the survey again this year. Since I was one of the embalmers who responded to the survey last year regarding the clot situation, so I do recognize this to be a current situation.
Speaker 2:I see and he names a colleague here on this email, and he and I do quite a bit of chatting together about it. And I do help their firm when he's away. So I do see the same things he's experiencing. More concerning for me is the poor distribution I've been experiencing to the extremities, clots aside. Nearly every person that I embalm is not getting good distribution to one or both of the hands below the elbow.
Speaker 2:Something I have not seen in the past. So, here I have an email from the president of the Pennsylvania Funeral Directors Association saying that he's seeing clotting problems, yet they don't want to afford the survey to their embalmers to take. It just smells of a cover up. It's very unusual. And they're not the only ones.
Speaker 2:Like I said, The United States, I sent this survey actually worldwide. I sent it to 50 national, regional and state funeral director associations all over the world. 30 of those were the top 30 US states by population. So I figured I could get a good response out of the top 30 US states by population. Only six of them actually forwarded my survey this year, because I can tell when I get my SurveyMonkey results, which states the results are coming in from.
Speaker 2:And those were Alabama, Florida, Louisiana, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah. They came through and they forwarded the survey to the revolvers. I got good number of responses. I got a total of three zero one responses from around the world, including from those six states. In fact, the president of the Tennessee Funeral Directors Association, Mr.
Speaker 2:Taylor Moore, invited me to come speak in person next summer to their annual convention. So good for him. So the dam is starting to break a little bit at least. But if I only had six states respond to out of the 30 I sent it to, that means 24 of the states, they threw my email away. They deleted it.
Speaker 2:They didn't forward the link to the survey to their active embalmers to take. What is going on here? I have a couple of suspicions why I think it might be happening, Seth. First of all, most of these funeral director association presidents, they're funeral directors themselves, you know, they elect one of their own as a president.
Seth Holehouse:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, would you want to participate in a survey that may link the COVID-nineteen vaccines to these unusual clots, like these white fibrous clots, if you had mandated that all the people that work for you in your funeral home take the COVID-nineteen vaccine, right? You might be setting yourself up for a lawsuit if anybody in your funeral home gets injured. Also, eighty percent of American adults over the age of 18, according to the CDC, took at least the first two jabs back in 2021. So these funeral directors, they may have taken the jabs. They may have a little cognitive dissonance going on.
Speaker 2:Right? They may not wanna know the answer themselves to these questions. You know, couple of couple of reasons. It's just
Seth Holehouse:so one thing, you know, a place where my mind goes to is is mRNA. And I know that, you know, you're not a doctor. I should probably have Robert Malone on soon to talk about this in terms of the mRNA, but I know that the the a lot of people have tied the mRNA platform to a lot of these issues. And if you look at overall, it's like, okay. Well, if you saw this huge drop off, in the COVID vaccine uptake and the booster uptake, then you would you would think that you would see the same drop off.
Seth Holehouse:However, a lot of people are still going to get RSV shots, flu shots, all kinds of other shots that we know that they are putting mRNA technology into a lot of these other shots. Then then what's even more concerning I'm not sure if you saw the recent press conference with, Trump and Larry Ellison and, the CEO of SoftBank and Sam Altman from, the AI company that they're now that, you know, as Larry Ellison described is that he's so excited to talk about how they're developing this AI detection system. They're building this, you know, half a trillion dollar, you know, kind of, you know, spread out data center and data collection operation in America that he's talking about how it's gonna help prevent cancer because they're gonna be detecting the early cancer in the in the blood, and then they're gonna be using AI to within, like, forty eight hours, like, rapidly develop mRNA technology that they can then use to go after that cancer. And and to me, it's like it's the inverse of everything I would have imagined happening in the MAHA movement. And it's also strange that RFK junior has been quiet since, think, late late December.
Seth Holehouse:Actually, he hasn't he hasn't really, you know, spoken out much. He hasn't talked about this because you look at the MAHA movement, and, of course okay. Great. You know, the FDA, they banned the the red dye that causes cancer. Like, okay.
Seth Holehouse:These are these are helpful, but the elephant in the room is operation warp speed. It's mRNA technology, and I interview a lot of doctors and a lot of folks that have researched, you know, things like chlorine dioxide or red light therapy or high dose vitamin c. There's there are so many ways to heal cancer. Like, there's so many ways. Even amygdalin, right, and and Laetrile and the you know, and b seventeen with apricot seeds.
Seth Holehouse:There are there are so many ways. And instead of, say, you know, Trump coming out and saying, look. Okay. We're you forget half a trillion dollars, but how about he comes out and says, hey. We're gonna put $2,000,000,000 into building, you know, holistic health treatment centers in every state.
Seth Holehouse:We wanna have a treatment center in every state where we're gonna be offering high dose vitamin c and red light therapy. Like, it just seems, wait. So the solution to the rise in cancer and the rise in all these issues that the people that have actually researched it beyond googling or watching what Fauci says, that it's because of the mRNA platform. And so the solution is to develop a massive half a trillion dollar AI mRNA platform with rapid development. It just seems like like, I mean, I'm watching some sort of dystopian film play out before my eyes.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you. I think that the mRNA technology with the lipid nanoparticle delivery system has shown to be a very flawed system. Remember the COVID shots, they were supposed to stay in your deltoid muscle in your upper arm, right, Produce just enough of the spike protein to elicit an immune response for just a few days to a week. And then with the mRNA supposed to leave your body, and then that's got you ready for COVID if it comes. Well, that's not what happened at all, is it, Seth?
Speaker 2:Those lipid nanoparticles carry that mRNA, that modified RNA, all over the body, turning the whole body into a spike protein factory. As you mentioned earlier, one of the reasons why we're still seeing these clots, I think, is because people are still spike protein factories. Instead of the modified RNA lasting for just a few days to a week, as they told you it would, they have found that for months at a time that still producing the spike protein. In fact, Doctor. Peter McCullough believes that it could be doing it indefinitely.
Speaker 2:So, may be doing it forever in your body. There's been a case there was one nurse that told her story that she actually went through Doctor. Peter McCullough's protocol to detox herself with the spike protein. And she successfully did it. She went and she had her levels checked.
Speaker 2:And she had detoxed herself with the spike protein. Then she went back about three months later, had the test done again. And she was producing spike protein again. So she says, I'm a spike protein factory. So unfortunately, this is a situation where people may not be able to get rid of it, may be permanent.
Speaker 2:So then they may have to just periodically detox themselves with a spike protein. So the people that have pushed this technology, they couldn't control where it goes in your body. They said it was stated in your upper arm, it didn't, went all over the body. They couldn't control how long it produces spike protein. There may be no off switch at all to the production of spike protein.
Speaker 2:So for them to come forward now and say, Oh, now we got more mRNA vaccines, and we can actually develop ones to target you as an individual to get rid of your cancer, to me is fool's gold, They haven't tackled the basic problems yet. In fact, one of the other problems with the mRNA technology is the modified RNA. There a paper that came out about a year ago talking about something called frame shifting. And that's where the modified RNA from the vaccine is being misread about 10% of the time by our ribosomes and ourselves. Our ribosomes, the mRNA when it's read by the ribosomes, it then produces amino acids, which then combine together to form proteins to do certain things for the body.
Speaker 2:In this case, the modified RNA from the vaccine is supposed to produce 100% of the time, the spike protein, which is bad enough in itself. I've told you earlier, the spike protein is damaging in and of itself. But it's not just doing that. It's producing the spike protein about 90% of the time. 10% of the time it's producing these bizarre, aberrant or what's called nonsense proteins.
Speaker 2:Because that modifier RNA code, because of the substitutions they made, they put pseudouridine into the code. It's misreading that particular nucleotide on the code and producing the incorrect amino acid, which then produces the incorrect protein. And we believe these nonsense proteins are also what's showing up in these white fibrous clots. It's a combination of misfolded fibrinogen, the spike protein, the lipid nanoparticle, and then these frame shifted, bizarre nonsense proteins of different lengths. So to me, it tells me that they have no control whatsoever over the whole mRNA platform.
Speaker 2:They've got multiple problems, and there's no way they should be pitching these for the human race right now until they can figure out and solve those problems.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, I couldn't agree more. And so in terms of, obviously, died suddenly had a a very big impact in terms of helping to shift the the public kinda consciousness as it relates to this. But there's still a lot of people that might might have seen that and think, okay. I'm not gonna get that, but they're still gonna go get the, you know, the m other mRNA shots or, you know, they're putting them into our cows. And, you know, so it's like, okay.
Seth Holehouse:Maybe you'll be getting it through your hamburger. I mean, it's it's really, like you know? Or they're putting in the mosquitoes for all we know. Like, we know you know, Bill Gates has talked about that. Right?
Seth Holehouse:You know, you can have, you know, use use different vectors to distribute these, you know, inoculations or these vaccines. And so but in terms of getting this information out to the public, have you have you, obviously, you know, shows like my own, I'm I'm I it's not not only am I happy to have you as a a guest, but it's part of my mission because I I can see that, you know, you're not on Fox News having this conversation, and so you're not on CNN having this conversation. And so, you know, I'm doing whatever I can to get this out to as many people as possible, and the folks that are watching feel that same mission. So they're taking shows like this, and they're sharing it with their friends and family because it's it's apparent to someone that's watching even this interview that we're not sitting here and speculating. This isn't some tinfoil hat conspiracy.
Seth Holehouse:I mean, you're you know, you've got a very, very decorated past, you know, you know, a very strong reputation. You're a data analyst. You're not coming here and and it's kinda pitching some theories about things, and this is really rooted in in the data and the conversations with with experts that you and I both are are, you know, privileged to be having. So in terms of, like, your getting this information out more, have you gone to any, you know, TV stations, or have you have you tried to get this out further to people? And if so, what's the response been?
Speaker 2:Last year, I did do a interview with a famous TV reporter, Cheryl Atkinson. Oh, She has a TV show called Full Measure. It appears on most people's TV stations on Saturdays or Sundays. It's a half hour broadcast. And she interviewed both myself and embalmer Richard Hirschman last year.
Speaker 2:She also interviewed a Doctor. Jordan Vaughn up in Birmingham, Alabama, who is an expert on the micro clotting issue as well. So people can go check out Cheryl's work there. I do a lot of YouTube podcasts. I've done one, for example, with Doctor.
Speaker 2:John Campbell, a famous YouTuber who talks about the vaccines and the problems with them quite a bit. One of the interviews I did with him last year, in fact, got to over 2,000,000 views and had like 27,000 comments to it. Wow. I've been on, you know, like Grant Stinchfield show. I've done a sit down on American Thought Leaders with Jan Yakelik from the Epic Times.
Speaker 2:And I've been on Dell Big Trees, the high wire as well. Dell actually flew me and Richard Hirschman to his studio. We did an in person interview with Dell last year on the results of the second survey that we had done. I'm also in contact with RFK Jr, Jay Bhattacharya, Doctor. Peter McCullough, Doctor.
Speaker 2:Pierre Corre, Ryan Cole. All these gentlemen know me and I know them and I provide my work to them. So they're aware of what I'm doing to track this particular issue. As you know, other doctors like William Mack is he's tracking the turbo cancers. McCullough is tracking the myocarditis and pericarditis problems with the heart.
Speaker 2:I'm tracking the white fibrous clots. So, we kind of act together as a team and provide information to each other on our particular areas that we're taking a look at. So, trying to get the word out there as best I can. But thank you, Seth, for having me on the show to talk about this. And people want to know more about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as you mentioned earlier, they can go to that Substack, my assistant Laura Kasner, lauracasnersubstack. Substack dot com. And yeah, the name we call the Substat Clotastrophe. It's a play on the word catastrophe. And they can see all the three embalmer surveys you did, people's blood clot survey that we did this last year as well.
Speaker 2:And like I said, we bring all the receipts and it's hard to deny that this is happening since especially because you can see the evidence here. These white fibers clots, we've got vials, photos, videos of them being extracted from corpses. As I mentioned earlier, they're also appearing in the living. So of all the side effects, in fact, when I handed the vial of the cloth to Tucker Carlson for him to keep, I said, Tucker, let me introduce you to the most spectacular side effect of the COVID-nineteen vaccines. Yeah, there it is.
Speaker 2:And Tucker said, Is this for real? I said, It's for real, Tucker. Then he said, Tom, I'm glad I didn't take the vaccine. I said, You're a smart man, Tucker. So, I would love to go on his show, then I think this would really blow up, right?
Speaker 2:Because he's got a major size audience. So I'm imploring Tucker to put me on a show as well as people like Joe Rogan. I'm in touch with their producers, but they have as yet to bite on this. I'm hoping now with the new regime change with Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
Speaker 2:As the head of HHS and Jay Bhattacharya as the new head of the NIH. I'm hoping now that they will have me on their show to talk about this and maybe the dam is breaking here And now it's time for society to find out what's really happening. Because the problem is, like I said, the endovascular specialists, cardiologists, vascular surgeons, embalmers, funeral directors, if they don't talk about this because they're the only ones that seen what's happening inside veins and arteries, then the population doesn't know. They'll continue to take these dangerous shots, and we'll keep seeing more people dropping dead, dying suddenly, strokes and heart attacks and other things.
Seth Holehouse:And so I know that you are, as you mentioned, you're in touch with RFK junior and some of that that, you know, you know, kind of health freedom movement. Now if you look at that, you look at obviously, we we talked about the the new discussion, you know, the the big announcement of this data center, you know, the multiple data centers and the mRNA, you know, AI kind of platform, which is, like, beyond frightening to me. But so do you do you think that I know it's hard to say, know, I a crystal ball, but do you think that that the the current administration, especially with RFK junior, you know, overseeing HHS, will will they look at this? Because this is one of the concerns I have. You look at a lot of the narratives, you know, with with the with the, you know, Casey and Callie means, and it has been very focused on food and environmental poisons and, you know, toxins, which is very important.
Seth Holehouse:Like, I I obviously, it's it's so critical. However, it's the the discussion, like, the elephant in the room is operation warp speed. It's the COVID vaccine. It's the mRNA platform. And the fact that you had up there on stage with Trump, you know, Larry Ellison making this massive announcement about what I see is, you know, potentially one of the the the greatest investments in medical technology that our country's ever made.
Seth Holehouse:Obviously, the the the data center is not just, you know, centered on the AI vaccines, but, you know, to see that that announcement being made without comment from RFK junior, without comment from anybody that's with that is kind of on the health team of Trump, it was concerning to me. And it makes me think, gosh. Like, with this kind of momentum and with the support of all the big tech CEOs and everything, is this kind of is this MAHA movement? Was it just a ploy to get a lot of folks that were much more, know, that weren't necessarily Trump fans, and they they they were more independent, more RFK junior fans? Was it just a ploy to get them in and kinda bait and switch?
Seth Holehouse:I mean, I certainly hope not, but do you have any insight or any hope into the RFK junior and and the team surrounding him taking a a, like, a a real sober look at this information?
Speaker 2:I'm concerned just like you are, Seth. And I don't have a crystal ball, and I don't have any more insight than you do on this. Unfortunately, I do send encouraging notes to RFK Jr. And Jay Bhattacharya, and people like Senator Ron Johnson, Doctor. Joe Latipo, making sure we're asking them to make sure they keep this as the highest priority, right?
Speaker 2:Like I said, before you start talking about the dyes in the food and the fluoride in the water and stuff, remember these shots, we have pretty positive proof that they are killing and injuring millions around the world. And the problem is the big pharma is such a huge lobby, right? They've got billions of dollars invested in this, decades of research. The last thing they want to do is scrap this technology and have to go back to square one with something else. And as you know, they've got, I think three lobbyists for every member of Congress.
Speaker 2:So there's heavy pressure by the pharmaceutical industry to want to continue down this path, despite the disastrous results of these shots. And the good news is most people have stopped taking the shots, right? They probably took two or three jabs. They caught COVID anyways, It's not helping me at all. I'm still catching, transmit it to others.
Speaker 2:And they're hearing about these nasty side effects like the myocarditis, the turbo cancers, the clots, miscarriages, all kinds of things happening. So most Americans have stopped. But I too am concerned like you are, that big pharma just doesn't want to seem to stop. And then we get things like we saw the other day with Ellison coming out. So, is bizarre.
Speaker 2:And I will keep the pressure on as much as I can with the, with the folks that I'm in contact with. And I I'm privileged to have contact with these people. And I am hopeful that the that good men will do the right thing.
Seth Holehouse:And I think that, you know, I keep this book right here on my desk next to me. You I'm sure if you're familiar with It's called The Crowd. It's written by a guy man named Gustave Le Bon. It was written in the late eighteen hundreds, and it was a, he was a kind of a polymath, but it the the purpose of the book was to understand the role of the public consciousness, the public thinking, and and also research into understanding what causes, massive shifts in society. And the conclusion that he came to was that when you see the rise and fall of empires, you see, you know, massive societal changes, that those changes don't come about from a singular person.
Seth Holehouse:It's not because of a king or a queen or a president or a politician that those changes come about. When a a massive change happens in society, his conclusion, it was always a reflection of the crowd. It's always a reflection of the the collective will of the people. And so that's why I think that, you know, even if you look at what's happening and say things aren't happening that we wanna have happening at the level of HSS or at the federal level. If enough Americans are able to have access to this information, which is the the first key, which is this is why we're doing what we're doing, if enough Americans have this information and are vocal about it, like, even the response on on Twitter, right, looking at what happened after Trump's announcement with Larry Ellison, probably every you know, probably 75% of every post I was seeing on Twitter for the next, you know, you know, two days was, I absolutely reject this.
Seth Holehouse:This is insane. I did not vote for this. There's no way I'm going along with this, and that's what we have to do. Like, the the because, ultimately, whether we live in a like, even under under a communist dictatorship, it's the voice of the people that still determines whether that communist dictatorship can actually stay in power. And that's why their propaganda mechanisms are so important is because they have to go to craft this artificial world where people believe that, oh, the party's actually taking care of me.
Seth Holehouse:It's just those bad people that are, you know, they're the ones that deserve to be put into those camps. Right? So if enough of us are are vocal, we we do what we're doing, we talk about this publicly, we we share this information, that's how I believe that we can truly affect change, but it has to come from the will of the people.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with you. It's kind of the the case of the emperor's new clothes. Right? Where when private knowledge becomes public knowledge, everybody in that crowd knew the emperor was not wearing any clothes, but then it took a little kid to say, hey. He's that king is naked.
Speaker 2:And then everybody starts laughing, Then it becomes public knowledge. Well, think we need to do the same thing with these mRNA vaccines, right? We need to keep it out there and make it public knowledge that these mRNA vaccines are dangerous and they're causing all these kinds of problems and keep that in the public eye. And you're right, then basically we can turn that private knowledge into public knowledge and get these politicians to finally then by the sheer weight of what the populace thinks to make the change as necessary. And I think the change necessary is to pull these things off the market immediately and not let any more mRNA shots with lipid nanoparticle technology come to market until big pharma can prove that these things are safe, which I think they're gonna have a very difficult time ever proving.
Seth Holehouse:What I'd like to see is not only them prove it safe, but also take responsibility for them not being safe. And that's the thing is that if you saw that happen, if all of a sudden they were opened up to, like, you know, say, we're able to repeal the act of 86, you know, under Reagan, which gave them full immunity for these vaccines, you know, I I would think that that would, you know, potentially be the final blow to, you know, the the Achilles heel Achilles heel that actually collapses this system and and and opens up, you know, tons of new pathways and opportunities for people in the, you know, the alternative health. And it's it's such a problem that it's the alternative health that is not the, you know, these dangerous treatments. Whereas really, like, what what they're what they're forcing in people in the in the modern medical system, that should be considered the alternative. The mainstream should be, you know, looking at how plants and herbs and and lifestyle changes and, you know, the sun and all these different things that God gave us.
Seth Holehouse:I'd love to see that become the mainstream health, which I I actually I see that happening. Like, maybe not right now, but you can see you can see this parallel economy forming, and you can see looking at the data that trust in big pharma has absolutely plummeted. And so there's this mass exodus of people that are really exiting that system, and they're saying, I'm I'm not buying into this anymore. I I no longer trust my doctor because he was pushing these shots, and look what happened. And now they're they're finding people, you know, through my podcast, through what you're doing, through other channels, through some interviews that even Tucker has done or, you know, Joe Rogan at the at the at the big level.
Seth Holehouse:So, I mean, even Mel Gibson recently on Rogan was talking about is I've got some friends that all had stage four cancer, and they healed themselves, not through chemotherapy, not through surgery cutting out tumors, but through, you know, chlorine dioxide, through ivermectin, famindazole, through these, you know, these treatments that are available for for pennies on the dollar compared to these medical, new treatments, these big industrial complex treatments.
Speaker 2:And it's been kind of a blessing in a way for other things too. There's a lot of mothers and fathers out there now, they're skeptical about giving their kids the seventy two shots on the childhood vaccine schedule now. So, they're, you know, I mean, the problems with autism there. So, in a way, in a bizarre way, it's been a little bit of a blessing in terms of opening the eyes of parents that they're now a little suspicious of the other vaccines that their children have been given for years. So hopefully some good things will come from this.
Speaker 2:Because I believe that people should trust their own God given immune system.
Seth Holehouse:Me too.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying there's not a place, there's some places for medicine in particular conditions, where medication is required. But I think they've gone way overboard on these, childhood vaccines, for example.
Seth Holehouse:Oh, I couldn't agree more. Well, hopefully, everyone if everyone's made it this far into the show, you know, then, you know, for those of you that are watching, please share this content, get this out to more people because now that, you know, the the ever ever the new discussions are changing and the news cycle is changing, and we can't let people forget that this is still happening. And, unfortunately, from what you're saying, going from 30% to 20% back to 27%, we're now seeing an upward tick in these at the embalmer level, which shows that something wrong is still happening that we cannot ignore as as a people.
Speaker 2:Right. And we're also seeing, about twenty five percent of corpses still have micro clotting, which occurs at the capillary level and can block the exchange of oxygen into the lungs and then they carry that oxygen to the major organs of your body, your brain, your eyes. You know, lot of people are suffering from brain fog these days or having vision problems. That could be an indication of this other phenomenon the embalmers are seeing as well called micro clotting. So it's not a good situation, Seth.
Seth Holehouse:It isn't. But we we can help you make it better. Well, Tom, thank you for doing what you're doing. And, this is it's really important that, you know, with your background and your your intelligence that you're putting in this information because that that's what we have do. We have to get information that people can't argue with and say, look.
Seth Holehouse:Use the surveys. Don't argue with me. Go go argue with all the embalmers that fill these surveys out. We have to get this information out there, and I thank you for doing what you're doing to facilitate that.
Speaker 2:My pleasure. Thanks, Todd.
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